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Finally comes Ada’s Note G. Early on, she states: “The Analytical Engine has no pretensions whatever to originate anything. It can do whatever we know how to order it to perform. … Its province is to assist us in making available what we are already acquainted with.”

“Any situation involving violence calls for the forging of mythologies that aim to justify the death of innocent people” (Corm, 1988: 258) Corm, Georges (1988) 'Myths and Realities of the Lebanese Conflict' in Shehadi, N and Millis, D. N. (1988) Lebanon: a History of Conflict and Consensus (London, I. B. Tauris) pp 258-274

"What does it matter? All is grace." - Journal d'un curé de campagne (1951)

Duhem said we had to hurl in their face "the word lie! Lie in the domain of logic, lie in the domain of history!" 1911

St. Stephen Harding, the founder of the Cistercians, who, when he lay dying and heard monks extolling his virtues and saying that he “would enter fearlessly into the presence of God,” rebuked them with his last breath: “I assure you, that I am going to God as trembling and as anxious as if I had never done any good at all, and if any fruit has been produced from my littleness, it was through the help of the grace of God: and I fear greatly lest perhaps I have husbanded that grace less jealously and less humbly than I ought to have done.”

In 1931 Godel proved that no sufficiently broad set of laws of arithmetic can have its proof of consistency within itself. To have the proof, one must reach after assumptions lying outside the set and to prove these assumptions the same step should he repeated again and again. This means that to prove the consistency of the science of the quantitative one must rely on considerations which the prevailing jargon calls metaquantitative or metamathematical. In older times when there was still more courage to call a spade a spade, one would have said not metamathematical but metaphysical. Well, I do not wish to argue about words. The explanation of man by machines completely breaks down if one admits at least the realm of metamathematieal. Steps that are metamathematical or metaquantitative, cannot have by definition quantitative symbolization which as machine parts could he built into a computer. Stanley Jaki

Herein lies the worst fallacy of the whole modern discussion about computers and minds. Machines do not add, they do not calculate, they do not integrate any more than a gutter does not add or integrate by collecting millions of raindrops. In an electronic computer not raindrops but electronic impulses are collected and channelled along strictly predetermined routes. In the process no addition is performed. It takes a mind, always a mind, to abstract meaning from each step through which the machine is directed by its specific man-built mechanism.

As soon as we make a scientific breakthrough we put it to use in the service of evil. And as for the standard, some wise man once said that sin is that which is unnecessary. If that is so, then our entire civilisation is built on sin, from beginning to end. - Andrei Tarkovsky Sacrifice

he still contrasts childhood as a time when one "wants to know nearly everything" with "the period of what is commonly called education; that is, the period during which I was being instructed to somebody I did not know about something I did not want to know." Maisie Ward p25 on G.K. Chesterton

... I abominate sights, and all people who want to look at them. A great deal more instruction, to say nothing of pleasure, is to be got out of the nearest haystack or hedgerow taken quietly, than in trotting over two or three counties to see "the view" or "the sight" or the extraordinary cliff or the unusual tower or the unreasonable hill or any other monstrosity deforming the face of Nature. Anybody can make sights but nobody has yet succeeded in making scenery. Maisie Ward p37 - G.K. Chesterton's letter to Bentley c.1891

To sleep and smell the incense of the tar, To wake and watch Italians dawns aglow And underneath the branch a single star, Good Lord, how little wealthy people know. Belloc quoted in Chesteron's autobiography

"NO MAN who worships education has got the best out of education; no man who sacrifices everything to education is even educated. I need not mention here the many recent examples of this monomania, rapidly turning into mad persecution, such as the ludicrous persecution of the families who live on barges. What is wrong is a neglect of principle; and the principle is that without a gentle contempt for education, no gentleman's education is complete." ~GKC: from 'The Superstition of School.'

Life gets interesting when we fail because that's when we surpass ourselves

"But faith, it keeps the lamp alight; in waiting and in expectation keeps the lamp alight to the end; and if fulfilment comes, still keeps the lamp alight, in not forgetting that it was impossible" Kierkergaard, Gospel of Suffering, pg 35

On one level at least, the TFA network works to ‘naturalise’ private participation in education, rendering it more ‘obvious’ and ‘sensible’

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The Strangerhood

The Strangerhood is a machinima series made with The Sims 2 by Rooster Teeth Productions.

Sam

 * Wade: "Hey, man. You shouldn't yell so loud. People are sleepin' and stuff." Sam: "What? what you doing in my bed? Who are you?" Wade: "That's a good question, man. Who are we? That's something we all have to answer." Sam: "Wait a minute; this isn't my apartment! How did I get here?" Wade: "Don't know. Not my house, man. Must have been a great party though, right?" Sam: "You wake up in a strange bed with a strange man and your first guess is party?" Wade: "Strange people in a strange bed. Sounds like a party to me, man." Sam: "Well, I gotta get out of here. So good luck." Wade: "Cool. What's your name, dude?" Sam: "Huh . . . oh it's, uh... I don't know!"
 * Sam: "Okay, I think I solved one mystery." Wade: "Cool." Sam: My name is Sam." Wade: "Awesome! How do you know?" Sam: "Well, apparently, I'm the type of person who likes to write his own name in his underwear.
 * Sam: "Wait! Shouldn't we stick together?" Doctor Chalmers: "Why? You people don't know a thing!" Sam: "You don't know anything either!" Doctor Chalmers: "Yeah, but I'm stuck with me, aren't I?"
 * Doctor Chalmers: "Oh, it's you again." Sam: "What do you mean 'me again?' What are you doing back here?" Dr. Chalmers: "Don't quibble with me, huh. I have a note, huh. Really, huh." Griggs: "Hmm." Sam: "What the . . . ?" Tovar and Nikki: Sam: "Who are all these people?" Doctor Chalmers: "They have notes too." Sam: "Hey, can anyone tell me what the heck is going on here?" Doctor Chalmers: "Hey, watch your language! Let's not get ridiculous." Nikki: "We all got these notes telling us to come here." Sam: "Notes? From who?" Doctor Chalmers: "From whom. I told you, watch your language."
 * Sam: "Wait, is this Wade? Why are you calling me on the phone? We're in the same house!"
 * Wade: "I sure do miss Nikki, man. She was like the only one who was nice to me." Sam: "I'm nice to you. . .idiot."
 * Sam: "Hey, quit making these wavy lines!" Wade: "Don't fight it, man."
 * Sam as Simon Cowell: "Look. If I’m being honest, and I’m not trying to be mean here, that was like getting shot in the face with a bazooka, only the bazooka was loaded with the worst vocal performance ever. And the face was not my whole face, but just my ears. Also, I hate you and I want your whole family to die and anyone who disagrees with me is stupid. And you have no talent."

Wade

 * "Wade: "I seem to remember someone calling me . . . Durrnt." Sam: "Your name tag says 'My name is Wade.'" Wade: "That's a name brand, dude. My name is definitely Durrnt." Sam: "Durnt?" Wade: "Durrnt." Sam: "Durnt?" Wade: "No. . . . It's got more syllables, man. Du-r-r-rnt." Sam: "Durnt?" Wade: "You're not saying it right, man." Sam: "Durnt!" Wade: "Durrnt!"
 * Sam: "Well, Wade, I guess we're back to square one, what now." Wade: "Let's bake something! [Doorbell rings] Cool! I had it right, man!" Sam: "I think that was the doorbell, Wade. And who could this be?" Wade: "Even the doorbell knows how smart I am. Cool house, man."
 * Wade: "Oh man, I hope that wasn't me that just died!"
 * Wade: "Superman and . . . Bizzaro Superman!" Sam: "That's just wrong."
 * Sam: "Wade, only one person is supposed to close his eyes in Marco Polo." Wade: "Dude! No wonder that game was so hard!"
 * Wade: "I sang my heart out. I still cannot believe I lost to . . . the fat guy." Sam: "That never happened! And I don't have an Indian accent!" Doctor Chalmers: "What up, dawg?"
 * Wade: "Oh my god, I can't believe Dutch is really Catherine's Stepmother!" Griggs: "Bored again, This Show Blows." Wade: "You wanna finish our chess game?" Griggs: We can't, you ate half the pieces" Wade: "I was so sure they had chocolate inside, man."
 * Wade: "Why would a sidekick have his own opening credits montage?"
 * Wade: "On the fifteenth day of Chrismanukah, my true love gave to me..." Doctor Chalmers: "A stocking filled with dreidels..." Dutchmiller: "And a reindeer with a yarmulka."
 * Wade: I AM LIKE, TOTALLY RUNNING WITH SCISSORS MAN![Stabbing Sound] Sam: OWWWWWWW! Wade, that was my gall-bladder! Wade: My bad dude! Sam: And Those are my scissors!

Dr. Chalmers

 * Doctor Chalmers: "I'm going crazy sitting here all day! Why am I here in the first place?"
 * Doctor Chalmers: "Look at this! I'm way too intelligent for one of these contraptions. Little fool, cooking away."
 * Doctor Chalmers: "And I know this is not mine. Why would a want a mechanized proxy jabbering at me? Who would I want to talk to, anyway?"
 * Doctor Chalmers: "That's checkmate . . . on myself. I really need something to talk to."
 * Doctor Chalmers: "Hmm. Maybe they know something."
 * Doctor Chalmers: "Hello, young males. Are your parents at home?" Sam: "Parents? I'm 26." Doctor Chalmers: "May I remind you that people have parents regardless of their age? I myself have two." Wade: "Hey, me too, man." Sam: "Can we help you?" Doctor Chalmers: "I have a dilly of a pickle on my hands, I don't really know how to explain it." Sam: "Close guess: You don't know where you are or how you got here?" Doctor Chalmers: "Are you mocking me? I find that most offensive." Sam: "In fact, you can't even remember your own name." Doctor Chalmers: "That's exactly right." Wade: "Have you checked your underwear, dude?" Doctor Chalmers: "Excuse me, son? I don't engage in that kind of talk." Sam: "We don't know much either. In fact, we're just figuring out our names." Wade: "His name is Sam." Sam: "And this is Wade." Wade: "Durrnt, dude." Doctor Chalmers: "Your name is Durrntdude?" Wade: "No, Durrnt . . ., dude." Doctor Chalmers: "I need to speak to someone who can talk." Sam: ". . ." Doctor Chalmers: "You people are no help to me! Good day!"
 * Doctor Chalmers: "I mean really!"
 * Doctor Chalmers: "All this nonsense over a fish. . . . They don't even appreciate it!" Sam: "What do you want them to do; say thanks?" Doctor Chalmers: "They should be helping out. Contribute to the group!" Sam: "They're pets!" Doctor Chalmers: "Exactimundo. We shouldn't be pampering them. We need to assess their worth." Sam: "Fish." Doctor Chalmers: "We need to test their limits of physical capabilities." Sam: "I don't think Spike and Sheila have 'physical capabilities.'" Doctor Chalmers: "Spike and Sheila? Who?" Sam: "Our new fish."
 * Doctor Chalmers: "How else are you going to indicate which one you want to eat?" Sam: "What?" Doctor Chalmers: "You can't just say 'I want to eat anonymous.' I mean really!"
 * Doctor Chalmers: "I'll tell you what's right. When you combine Christmas and Hanukkah, you get twenty days of presents."
 * Doctor Chalmers: "With that attitude, I wouldn't expect a visit from Moses Claus."
 * Sam: "Don't you ever spend time at your house?" Doctor Chalmers: "I would, but someone has to clean up that pigsty. It's a mess." Sam: "Aren't you the only one who's ever been there?" Doctor Chalmers: "What is your point exactly?" Sam: "Look, I'm actually glad you're here. We need to talk." Doctor Chalmers: "I've already told you; this is my sweater vest." Sam: "No, it's not that." Doctor Chalmers: "And it was someone else who ate your delicious, homemade chocolate cake." Sam: "Someone ate my chocolate cake?" Doctor Chalmers: "Now, how would I know? . . . And don't ask me about the empty milk jar either."
 * Wade: "Dude! Other dude! Outrageous news, man!" Doctor Chalmers: "Oh no. Did Tovar get his head stuck in the dryer again?" Wade: "No." Sam: "The vaccum?" Wade: "No." Doctor Chalmers: "The garbage disposal?" Wade: "No, the toaster oven. But also . . ., there's been a murder, man!" Sam and Doctor Chalmers: "What?!" Wade: "Thats right! Nikki's dead!" Sam: "No! Not Nikki!" Doctor Chalmers: "Which one was she? Was she the one with the tiara?" Wade: "No, the other one." Doctor Chalmers: "Oh dear. Poor little other one. Oh."
 * Sam: "I can't believe it; she's really dead! Doctor Chalmers: I can't believe she's been living here all by herself. This place is huge! I've got dibs on her appliances!"
 * Doctor Chalmers as Randy Jackson: "Look dawg, you know you're my dawg, right? I mean really, it totally canine! I was feelin' it, it was hot . . ., dawg. Mmm, I felt the hot dog, but yo dawg, not big on the song choice. A little pitchy. Little pitchy, a'ight?"
 * Doctor Chalmers: "What up, dawg?"

Tovar

 * Tovar, as his oven catches on fire behind him: "What did Yay forget besides name? Hmm . . . Yay! Is garbage day! No.
 * Griggs: "What your challenge, Charlie?" Tovar: "Yay am being from other country." Griggs: "Yeah, probably some foreign country, like Maine." Tovar: "Also, I burn down house; and burn moustachio!
 * Tovar: "Yay! That is why I'd be burning down my house!" Omnipotent voice: No, that was all you, moron.
 * Tovar: "Starvation is like diet, with pain."
 * Tovar: "Is insult to God, is insult to person, and is insult to fish!"
 * Tovar: "Yay! Tovar is having a good time!"
 * Tovar: "Why is Nikki? Why is her, and not someone Tovar does not like . . . such as Old Guy(Chalmers), or the nerd(Sam)?
 * Tovar: "Poor Nikki. So sad to see her die in tornado." Sam: "There was no tornado." Tovar: "Plane crash." Sam: "No." Tovar: "Surface fire?" Sam: "NO!" Tovar: "Ah yes, Godzilla took her life." Wade: "Whyyyyy?" Tovar: "Fire breathing menace."  Wade: "Whyyyyy?"  Tovar: "He totalled the scene."  Wade: "Why..."  Tovar: "Curse you Godzilla! With your green spines, and firey breath, Tovar has bad breath too, but he takes mints now and then!"
 * Tovar: Goodbye, Sam! Do not forget to be nerd!
 * Tovar: Tovar is having best idea for costume yet! Mustachio! Also, are many choices - for instance: Cowboy moustachio, Fancy moustachio, Milk moustachio, or - like Tovar - Sexy moustachio! Is even looking good on the ladies!
 * Tovar: "Hello, it was being very hot today." Sam: "...How hot was it?" Tovar: "Was so hot, Tovar is needing to remove coat. But no have coat! Is back hair!" Sam: "You suck!"
 * Tovar: "Tovar is throwing up in hand."
 * Tovar: "Yai, am hungry to eat own soul."
 * Nikki: "You can dress as a witch really cheaply. Just wear all black and carry a broom." Tovar: "Yai, if wanting to look like goth maid.  Could also listen to The Cure while scrubbing toilet."

Dutchmiller

 * Dutchmiller: "Mailbox! Fantastic. Yeah, trash can."
 * Dutchmiller: "Bedroom! . . . Bathroom! . . . There's the living room! . . . and the dining room!"
 * Dutchmiller: "Hmm. I have no idea where I am."
 * Dutchmiller: "It's sushi night, here at Dutchmiller's house of Tuna!"
 * Dutchmiller: "I was just cutting up raw fish and thinking of you!"
 * Dutchmiller as Ryan Seacrest: "Fantastic. So, what did you think of the judges pointless and innane comments?" Wade: "I think people should vote for me because..." Dutchmiller as Ryan Seacrest: "Fantastic, Dutchmiller out!"
 * Catherine: "Dutch, I have some incredibly shocking news!" Dutchmiller: "Shocking? Oh my god, you're really a MAN. I knew it the whole time, your hands gave you away." Catherine: "What, no!" Dutchmiller: "Wait, My god I'm really a WOMAN. This explains everything." Catherine: "No, stop guessing. Dutch, I'm pregnant." Dutchmiller: "Fantasti...WHAAAT!" Catherine: "And you can't let anyone find out." Dutchmiller: "Of course not, now lets look at a clip." Catherine "WHAAAT!"

Catherine

 * Catherine: "I don't know who you are, but you are so pretty. And it is such a pleasure to meet other good-looking people just like you."
 * Catherine: "Nice suit. . . . Nice hair . . . I think I could make use of this one..." Nikki: "Did you say something?" Catherine: "No, of course not. Damn, my incredibly loud internal monologue!" Nikki: "What?"
 * Catherine: "What the hell was that?" Nikki: "It was kind of hard to hear over your internal monologue." Catherine: "Nosy little twit!" Dutchmiller: "Whoa, catfight!" Tovar: "Ladies, let us settle this with the spinning bottle game."

Nikki

 * Nikki: "Hello? Is anybody here? . . . What's going on here? Who am I, and why am I talking to myself?"
 * Nikki: "If this is God, I don't think I believe in you. I'm apathetic." Sam: "Don't you mean agnostic? Nikki: "Whatever."
 * Nikki: "This is my voiceover, I can say what I want!" Wade: "But didn't you, like, die and stuff in the last episode?" Nikki: "Just because I'm dead, doesn't mean I can't have a voiceover. It's called artistic license, you loser!"

Griggs

 * Griggs: "Wait a second; this isn't my house. . . . Oh well."
 * Griggs: "What are you laughing at him for? He's got his ridiculous haircut!" Omnipotent voice: "He's very popular." Griggs: "Shut up, voice! You're worse than that stupid audience!"
 * Griggs: "Who does he think he is talking to? (looks at Imaginary Gnome) Youve got a point there, little short guy."
 * Griggs: (Example A) "Gimme candy or I'll punch you." (Example B) "Trick or treat. Guess what the trick is: gimme candy, or I'll punch you!" (Example C) "I told you I want some candy, and now it's punchin' time!...CANDY!"
 * Griggs: "You guys are a buncha halloweenies. Heh-heh, get it?  Halloween plus weenie equals you.  Huh huh, score that was awesome.  Now everybody give me your candy or it's punchin' time!  You first Grim Reaper!  And no raisins.  Or pennies.  Unless they're those like, you know, chocolate covered pennies.  'Cause those would be awesome.  Score.  Some money and food all at once."

Omnipotent voice

 * Omnipotent voice: "Some of our choices you will not understand; for instance, food and water are now forbidden!" Sam: "B-but water and food is what makes us go!" Voice: "Oh right. What I meant was, cookies and tang are forbidden. Wade: "Whuh?!? No cookies and tang?!? We'll be dead in three days!"
 * Omnipotent voice: ". . . Some of them will be pleasurable." Wade: "Hey, someone put peanut butter in my pants! Omnipotent voice: "Some will not." Wade: ". . . Oh wait, they're just peanuts!"
 * Sam: "But the all-powerful voice. . ." Omnipotent: "I prefer the term omnipotent. It's classier."
 * Omnipotent voice: "When you hear the message, please leave a beep. Oops, I said that wrong, how do you restart this thing?  Does the blinking light mean it's recording?  I did press seven.  Somebody help me out here...  Oh son of a -beep-."

Sam

 * Sam: "I hope you understand I'd like to work independently." Dutchmiller: "Of course, independently within the system."
 * Sam: "Ohh... Son of a bi-" Dutchmiller: "Hey! (snaps fingers) Snappy title!"

Dutchmiller

 * Dutchmiller: "It's punk!"

Catherine

 * Catherine: "I smell the People's Choice Awards! It smells like roses made of money."

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Robert Schumann

Robert Schumann (8 June 1810 – 29 July 1856) was a German composer and pianist.

Quotes

 * To send light into the depths of the human heart -- this is the artist's calling!
 * Quotes in: John Sullivan Dwight (1856) Dwight's Journal of Music, Vol. 7-8, p. 12
 * Original: Licht senden in die Tiefen des menschlichen Herzens -- des Künstlers Beruf!; Quoted in E.W. Fritzsch (1884) Musikalisches Wochenblatt, Volume 15

 * Sometimes I am so full of music, and so overflowing with melody, that I find it simply impossible to write down anything.
 * Early Letters of Robert Schumann (1888), p. 82

 * The talent works, the genius creates.
 * Attributed to Schumann in: The Atlantic Monthly, Vol. 112, 1913, p. 811

 * In order to compose, all you need to do is remember a tune that nobody else has thought of.
 * Quoted in: Dictionary of Humorous Quotations, Evan Esar (ed.), 1949, p. 156.

 * Perhaps genius alone understands genius fully. (Sometimes translated as: Perhaps only genius fully understands genius)
 * Original: Vielleicht versteht nur der Genius den Genius ganz, Robert Schumann, Advice to Young Musicians, translation of Musikalische Haus- und Lebens-Regeln, translated by Henry Hugo Pierson, Leipsic & New York: J. Schuberth & Co., 1860.

Quotes about Schumann

 * Schumann’s writing for the piano is very orchestral, and sometimes does not lie so easily under the hands. But it is still very well written for the piano and the technique he demands perhaps suits me better than Chopin’s.
 * Angela Hewitt, "Famous Pianists on Frédéric Chopin and Robert Schumann" (2010) by G. Henle Verlag

 * [A]lmost every simple piece of Schumann’s has a hidden secret (with few exceptions, for example the Arabesque). Such a seemingly easy piece like “Des Abends” or some of the pieces from “Kinderszenen” can only be played by accomplished musicians.
 * Elisabeth Leonskaja, "Famous Pianists on Frédéric Chopin and Robert Schumann" (2010) by G. Henle Verlag

 * Schumann‘s piano music is conceived more instrumentally, not necessarily for piano. This is true of Beethoven and Brahms too.
 * Ming-Qiang Li, "Famous Pianists on Frédéric Chopin and Robert Schumann" (2010) by G. Henle Verlag

 * Schumann is the most representative musical figure of central European Romanticism as much because of his limitations as because of his genius: in his finest works, indeed, he exploited these limitations in such a way that they gave a force to his genius that no other contemporary could attain.
 * Charles Rosen, The Romantic Generation (1995), Ch. 12 : Schumann: Triumph and Failure of the Romantic Ideal

 * Schumann’s piano settings mostly evolve around the middle range of the piano keyboard, and lastly also for that reason his music is much more difficult to play. Often enough the result is mediocre sound (in both senses of the word) if you do not work strongly on highlighting the individual lines of the texture.
 * Christian Zacharias, "Famous Pianists on Frédéric Chopin and Robert Schumann" (2010) by G. Henle Verlag

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Bill Lee Quotes
''' I think about the cosmic snowball theory. A few million years from now the sun will burn out and lose its gravitational pull. The earth will turn into a giant snowball and be hurled through space. When that happens it won't matter if I get this guy out.

You have two hemispheres in your brain - a left and a right side. The left side controls the right side of your body and right controls the left half. It's a fact. Therefore, left-handers are the only people in their right minds.

You should enter a ballpark the way you enter a church.

I would change policy, bring back natural grass and nickel beer. Baseball is the belly-button of our society. Straighten out baseball, and you straighten out the rest of the world.

You take a team with twenty-five assholes and I'll show you a pennant. I'll show you the New York Yankees.

I'm mad at Hank Aaron for deciding to play one more season. I threw him his last home run and thought I'd be remembered forever. Now, I'll have to throw him another.

If it had been me out there, I'd had bitten him his ear off. I'd have Van Gogh'ed him.

Hell, if KY jelly went off the market, the whole California Angels pitching staff would be out of baseball.

Kids don't learn the fundamentals of baseball at the games anymore.

Most of the managers are lifetime .220 hitters. For years pitchers have been getting these managers out 75% of the time and that's why they don't like us.

That was real baseball. We weren't playing for money. They gave us Mickey Mouse watches that ran backwards.

People are too hung up on winning. I can get off on a really good helmet throw.

The more self-centered and egotistical a guy is, the better ballplayer he's going to be.

The only rule I got is if you slide, get up.

The other day they asked me about mandatory drug testing. I said I believed in drug testing a long time ago. All through the sixties I tested everything.

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Mercy Street

 * Looking down on empty streets, all she can see are the dreams all made solid are the dreams all made real.

 * All of the buildings, all of those cars were once just a dream in somebody's head

 * Dreaming of mercy st. wear your inside out dreaming of mercy in your daddy's arms again dreaming of mercy st. 'swear they moved that sign dreaming of mercy in your daddy's arms

 * Dreaming of the tenderness— the tremble in the hips of kissing Mary's lips.

 * Mercy, mercy, looking for mercy...

alguien me puede traducir la letra al español por favor

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None of these song lyrics belong here, these are not quotes from Peter Gabriel, they are works by Peter Gabriel. Aside from the copyright issues, Wikiquote is not a compendium of song lyrics or entire poems. There are plenty of sites on the Internet to find Peter Gabriel lyrics other than here. Does anyone have anything from interviews or something interesting that Gabriel might have said?

I agree with the above. Peter Gabriel has said many things, but a list of song lyrics does him no justice. If no original quotes can be found then i think the song lyrics should be deleted. --172.203.26.170 00:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced
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 * We have always looked to political ideology to bring about change in our society. It may well be that technology does this job much more effectively. Power to the people right on.

 * There has always been a strong relationship between music and religion. It is because they both plug directly into the heart and can have real power for good or evil,

 * Music is something that makes you feel, makes you think, and if you're really lucky, it makes you move.

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Robert Banks (filmmaker)

Robert Banks (born 1966) is an American filmmaker.

Quotes

 * See the fear and terror as black men run. White is right in the white man’s world, on the big white screen.
 * MPG: Motion Picture Genocide

 * Ask Mr. Lee what fad is in. Now you can wear and be X. Legacy turns novelty.
 * X: The Baby Cinema

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Charles Evans Hughes

Charles Evans Hughes (11 April 1862 – 27 August 1948) was a Republican politician and jurist who served as Governor of New York, United States Secretary of State, Associate Justice and Chief Justice of the United States.

Quotes

 * We are under a Constitution, but the Constitution is what the judges say it is, and the judiciary is the safeguard of our liberty and of our property under the Constitution.
 * Speech before the Chamber of Commerce, Elmira, New York (3 May 1907); published in Addresses and Papers of Charles Evans Hughes, Governor of New York, 1906–1908 (1908), p. 139

 * While democracy must have its organizations and controls, its vital breath is individual liberty.
 * Statement of May 1908, quoted in "Reauthorization of The Civil Rights Division of The United States Department of Justice" (15 May 2003) US House of Representatives.

 * No greater mistake can be made than to think that our institutions are fixed or may not be changed for the worse. … Increasing prosperity tends to breed indifference and to corrupt moral soundness. Glaring inequalities in condition create discontent and strain the democratic relation. The vicious are the willing, and the ignorant are unconscious instruments of political artifice. Selfishness and demagoguery take advantage of liberty. The selfish hand constantly seeks to control government, and every increase of governmental power, even to meet just needs, furnishes opportunity for abuse and stimulates the effort to bend it to improper uses. .. The peril of this Nation is not in any foreign foe! We, the people, are its power, its peril, and its hope!
 * Conditions of Progress in Democratic Government (1909).

 * A man has to live with himself, and he should see to it that he always has good company.
 * As quoted in Ethics and Citizenship (1924) by John Walter Wayland, p. 208.

 * When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free.
 * Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, on the 150th anniversary of the Battle of Bunker Hill (17 June 1925).

 * The most ominous spirit of our times, as it seems to me, is the indication of the growth of an intolerent spirit. It is the more dangerous when armed, as it usually is, with sincere conviction. It is a spirit whose wrath must be turned away by the soft answers of a sweet reasonableness. It can be exorcised only by invoking the Genius which watched over our infancy and has guided our development— a good Genius— still potent let us believe — the American spirit of civil and religious liberty. Our institutions were not devised to bring about uniformity of opinion; if they had we might well abandon hope. It is important to remember, as has well been said, "the essential characteristic of true liberty is that under its shelter many different types of life and character and opinion and belief can develop unmolested and unobstructed."
 * Speech to the American Bar Association (2 September 1925).

 * …[I]n three notable instances the Court has suffered severely from self-inflicted wounds. The first of these was the Dred Scott case. … There the Supreme Court decided that Dred Scott, a negro, not being a citizen could not sue in the United States Courts and that Congress could not prohibit slavery in the territories. … [T]he grave injury that the Court sustained through its decision has been universally recognized. Its action was a public calamity. … [W]idespread and bitter attacks upon the judges who joined in the decision undermined confidence in the Court. … It was many years before the Court, even under new judges, was able to retrieve its reputation.…[The second instance was] the legal tender cases decided in 1870. … From the standpoint of the effect on public opinion there can be no doubt that the reopening of the case was a serious mistake and the overruling in such a short time, and by one vote, of the previous decision shook popular respect for the Court.… [The third instance happened] [t]wenty-five years later, when the Court had recovered its prestige, [and] its action in the income tax cases gave occasion for a bitter assault. … [After questions about the validity of the income tax] had been reserved owing to an equal division of the Court, a reargument was ordered and in the second decision the act was held to be unconstitutional by a majority of one. Justice Jackson was ill at the time of the first argument but took part in the final decision, voting in favor of the validity of the statute. It was evident that the result [holding the statute invalid] was brought about by a change in the vote of one of the judges who had participated in the first decision. … [T]he decision of such an important question by a majority of one after one judge had changed his vote aroused a criticism of the Court which has never been entirely stilled."
 * "The Supreme Court of the United States: Its Foundation, Methods and Achievements," Columbia University Press, p. 50 (1928). ISBN 1-893122-85-9.

 * The power of administrative bodies to make finding of fact which may be treated as conclusive, if there is evidence both ways, is a power of enormous consequence. An unscrupulous administrator might be tempted to say "Let me find the facts for the people of my country, and I care little who lays down the general principles."
 * "Important Work of Uncle Sam's Lawyers", American Bar Association Journal (April 1931), p. 238, reprinting an address to the Federal Bar Association, Washington, D.C. (February 11, 1931), where the chief justice spoke of the "extraordinary development of administrative agencies of the government and of the lawyer's part in making them work satisfactorily and also in protecting the public against bureaucratic excesses", according to the article's subtitle

 * We still proclaim the old ideals of liberty but we cannot voice them without anxiety in our hearts. The question is no longer one of establishing democratic institutions but of preserving them. … The arch enemies of society are those who know better but by indirection, misstatement, understatement, and slander, seek to accomplish their concealed purposes or to gain profit of some sort by misleading the public. The antidote for these poisons must be found in the sincere and courageous efforts of those who would preserve their cherished freedom by a wise and responsible use of it. Freedom of expression gives the essential democratic opportunity, but self-restraint is the essential civic discipline.
 * As quoted in Charles Evans Hughes (1951) by Merlo J. Pusey, Vol. II, p. 794

 * I think that it is a fallacy to suppose that helpful cooperation in the future will be assured by the attempted compulsion of an inflexible rule. Rather will such cooperation depend upon the fostering of firm friendships springing from an appreciation of community ideals, interests, and purposes, and such friendships are more likely to be promoted by freedom of conference than by the effort to create hard and fast engagements.
 * Opposing Article X of the Covenant of the League of Nations which would obligate members of the League of Nations to collective response. As quoted in Autobiographical Notes of Charles Hughes (1973) edited by D. J. Danelski and J. S. Tulchin

 * At the constitutional level where we work, ninety percent of any decision is emotional. The rational part of us supplies the reasons for supporting our predilections.
 * Reported in Justice William O. Douglas, The Court Years (1980), p. 8

 * [Dissents are] appeals to the brooding spirit of the law, to the intelligence of another day.
 * Reported in "Keeping Politics out of the Court", The New York Times (December 9, 1984); quoted in The HarperCollins Dictionary of American Government and Politics (1992) by Jay M. Shafritz, p. 407

Judicial opinions

 * It is no longer open to doubt that the liberty of the press, and of speech, is within the liberty safeguarded by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment from invasion by state action. It was found impossible to conclude that this essential personal liberty of the citizen was left unprotected by the general guaranty of fundamental rights of person and property.
 * , 283 U.S. 697 (1931).

 * But it is recognized that punishment for the abuse of the liberty accorded to the press is essential to the protection of the public, and that the common law rules that subject the libeler to responsibility for the public offense, as well as for the private injury, are not abolished by the protection extended in our constitutions. The law of criminal libel rests upon that secure foundation. There is also the conceded authority of courts to punish for contempt when publications directly tend to prevent the proper discharge of judicial functions.
 * , 283 U.S. 697 (1931).

 * The exceptional nature of its limitations places in a strong light the general conception that liberty of the press, historically considered and taken up by the Federal Constitution, has meant, principally, although not exclusively, immunity from previous restraints or censorship.
 * , 283 U.S. 697 (1931).

 * Public officers, whose character and conduct remain open to debate and free discussion in the press, find their remedies for false accusations in actions under libel laws providing for redress and punishment, and not in proceedings to restrain the publication of newspapers and periodicals. The general principle that the constitutional guaranty of the liberty of the press gives immunity from previous restraints has been approved in many decisions under the provisions of state constitutions. The importance of this immunity has not lessened. While reckless assaults upon public men, and efforts to bring obloquy upon those who are endeavoring faithfully to discharge official duties, exert a baleful influence and deserve the severest condemnation in public opinion, it cannot be said that this abuse is greater, and it is believed to be less, than that which characterized the period in which our institutions took shape. Meanwhile, the administration of government has become more complex, the opportunities for malfeasance and corruption have multiplied, crime has grown to most serious proportions, and the danger of its protection by unfaithful officials and of the impairment of the fundamental security of life and property by criminal alliances and official neglect, emphasizes the primary need of a vigilant and courageous press, especially in great cities. The fact that the liberty of the press may be abused by miscreant purveyors of scandal does not make any the less necessary the immunity of the press from previous restraint in dealing with official misconduct. Subsequent punishment for such abuses as may exist is the appropriate remedy consistent with constitutional privilege.
 * , 283 U.S. 697 (1931).

 * In attempted justification of the statute, it is said that it deals not with publication per se, but with the "business" of publishing defamation. If, however, the publisher has a constitutional right to publish, without previous restraint, an edition of his newspaper charging official derelictions, it cannot be denied that he may publish subsequent editions for the same purpose. He does not lose his right by exercising it. If his right exists, it may be exercised in publishing nine editions, as in this case, as well as in one edition. If previous restraint is permissible, it may be imposed at once; indeed, the wrong may be as serious in one publication as in several. Characterizing the publication as a business, and the business as a nuisance, does not permit an invasion of the constitutional immunity against restraint. Similarly, it does not matter that the newspaper or periodical is found to be "largely" or "chiefly" devoted to the publication of such derelictions. If the publisher has a right, without previous restraint, to publish them, his right cannot be deemed to be dependent upon his publishing something else, more or less, with the matter to which objection is made. Nor can it be said that the constitutional freedom from previous restraint is lost because charges are made of derelictions which constitute crimes. With the multiplying provisions of penal codes, and of municipal charters and ordinances carrying penal sanctions, the conduct of public officers is very largely within the purview of criminal statutes. The freedom of the press from previous restraint has never been regarded as limited to such animadversions as lay outside the range of penal enactments. Historically, there is no such limitation; it is inconsistent with the reason which underlies the privilege, as the privilege so limited would be of slight value for the purposes for which it came to be established.
 * , 283 U.S. 697 (1931).

 * The statute in question cannot be justified by reason of the fact that the publisher is permitted to show, before injunction issues, that the matter published is true and is published with good motives and for justifiable ends. If such a statute, authorizing suppression and injunction on such a basis, is constitutionally valid, it would be equally permissible for the legislature to provide that at any time the publisher of any newspaper could be brought before a court, or even an administrative officer (as the constitutional protection may not be regarded as resting on mere procedural details) and required to produce proof of the truth of his publication, or of what he intended to publish, and of his motives, or stand enjoined. If this can be done, the legislature may provide machinery for determining in the complete exercise of its discretion what are justifiable ends, and restrain publication accordingly. And it would be but a step to a complete system of censorship.
 * , 283 U.S. 697 (1931).

 * The recognition of authority to impose previous restraint upon publication in order to protect the community against the circulation of charges of misconduct, and especially of official misconduct, necessarily would carry with it the admission of the authority of the censor against which the constitutional barrier was erected. The preliminary freedom, by virtue of the very reason for its existence, does not depend, as this Court has said, on proof of truth.
 * , 283 U.S. 697 (1931).

 * Equally unavailing is the insistence that the statute is designed to prevent the circulation of scandal which tends [p722] to disturb the public peace and to provoke assaults and the commission of crime. Charges of reprehensible conduct, and in particular of official malfeasance, unquestionably create a public scandal, but the theory of the constitutional guaranty is that even a more serious public evil would be caused by authority to prevent publication. To prohibit the intent to excite those unfavorable sentiments against those who administer the Government is equivalent to a prohibition of the actual excitement of them, and to prohibit the actual excitement of them is equivalent to a prohibition of discussions having that tendency and effect, which, again, is equivalent to a protection of those who administer the Government, if they should at any time deserve the contempt or hatred of the people, against being exposed to it by free animadversions on their characters and conduct. There is nothing new in the fact that charges of reprehensible conduct may create resentment and the disposition to resort to violent means of redress, but this well understood tendency did not alter the determination to protect the press against censorship and restraint upon publication. [...] The danger of violent reactions becomes greater with effective organization of defiant groups resenting exposure, and if this consideration warranted legislative interference with the initial freedom of publication, the constitutional protection would be reduced to a mere form of words.
 * , 283 U.S. 697 (1931).

 * Freedom of speech and of the press are fundamental rights which are safeguarded by the due process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment of the Federal Constitution. [...] The right of peaceable assembly is a right cognate to those of free speech and free press, and is equally fundamental. As this Court said in United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 552: The very idea of a government, republican in form, implies a right on the part of its citizens to meet peaceably for consultation in respect to public affairs and to petition for a redress of grievances. The First Amendment of the Federal Constitution expressly guarantees that right against abridgment by Congress. But explicit mention there does not argue exclusion elsewhere. For the right is one that cannot be denied without violating those fundamental principles of liberty and justice which lie at the base of all civil and political institutions — principles which the Fourteenth Amendment embodies in the general terms of its due process clause. [...] These rights may be abused by using speech or press or assembly in order to incite to violence and crime. The people, through their legislatures may protect themselves against that abuse. But the legislative intervention, can find constitutional justification only by dealing with the abuse. The rights themselves must not be curtailed. The greater the importance of safeguarding the community from incitements to the overthrow of our institutions by force and violence, the more imperative is the need to preserve inviolate the constitutional rights of free speech, free press and free assembly in order to maintain the opportunity for free political discussion, to the end that government may be responsive to the will of the people and that changes, if desired, may be obtained by peaceful means. Therein lies the security of the Republic, the very foundation of constitutional government.
 * Charles Evans Hughes, De Jonge v. Oregon, 299 U.S. 353, 365 (1937).

 * The liberty of the press is not confined to newspapers and periodicals. It necessarily embraces pamphlets and leaflets. … the press in its historic connotation comprehends every sort of publication which affords a vehicle of information and opinion.
 * , 303 U.S. 444 (1938).

The Pathway of Peace (1923)

 * Speech to the Canadian Bar Association, Montreal, Ontario (4 September 1923); published in The Pathway of Peace : Representative Addresses Delivered During His Term as as secretary of state (1921-1925) (1925)

 * We may gain something in our quest for peace if we recognize at once that war is not an abnormality. In the truest sense, it is not the mere play of brute force. It is the expression of the insistent human will, inflexible in its purpose. When we consider the inability to maintain a just peace attests to the failure of civilization itself, we may be less confident of the success of any artificial contrivances to prevent war. We must recognize that we are dealing with the very woof and warp of human nature. The war to end war has left its curse of hate, its lasting injuries, its breeding grounds of strife, and to secure an abiding peace appears to be more difficult than ever. There is no advantage to shutting our eyes to the facts; nor should we turn in disgust of panaceas to the counsel of despair. The pathway of peace is the longest and most beset with obstacles the human race has to tread; the goal may be distant, but we must press on.

 * It is not surprising that many should be captivated by the proposal, with its delusive simplicity and adequacey, for the outlawry of war. War should be made a crime, and those who instigate it should be punished as criminals. The suggestion, however futile in itself, has at least the merit of bringing us to the core of the problem. Even among its sponsors appear at once the qualifications which reflect the old distinction, so elaborately argued by Grotius, between just and unjust wars. "The grounds of war," said he, " are as numerous as those of judicial actions. For where the power of law ceases, there war begins." He found the justifiable causes generally assigned for war to be three — defense, indemnity, and punishment. War is self-help, and the right to make war has been recognized as the corollary of independence, the permitted means by which injured nations protect their territory and maintain their rights. International law leaves aggrieved states who cannot obtain redress for their wrongs by peaceful means to exact it by force. If war is outlawed, other means of redress of injuries must be provided. Moreover, few, if any, intend to outlaw self-defense, a right still accorded to individuals under all systems of law. To meet this difficulty, the usual formula is limited to wars of aggression. But justification for war, as recently demonstrated, is ready at hand for those who desire to make war, and there is rarely a case of admitted aggression, or where on each side the cause is not believed to be just by the peoples who support the war. There is a further difficulty that lies deeper. There is no lawgiver for independent States. There is no legislature to impose its will by majority vote, no executive to give effect even to accepted rules. The outlawry of war necessarily implies a self-imposed restraint, and free peoples, jealous of their national safety, of their freedom of opportunity, of the rights and privileges they deem essential to their well-being, will not forego the only sanction at their command in extreme exigencies. The restraints they may be willing to place upon themselves will always be subject to such conditions as will leave them able to afford self-protection by force, and in this freedom there is abundant room for strife sought to be justified by deep-seated convictions of national interests, by long-standing grievances by the apprehension of aggression to be forestalled. The outlawry of war, by appropriate rule of law making war a crime, requires the common accord needed to establish and maintain a rule of international law, the common consent to abandon war; and the suggested remedy thus implies a state of mind in which no cure is needed. As the restraint is self-imposed it will prove to be of avail only while there is a will to peace.

 * Time has shown how illusory are alliances of great powers so far as the maintenance of peace is concerned. In considering the use of international force to secure peace, we are again brought to the fundamental necessity of common accord. If the feasibility of such a force be conceded for the purpose of maintaining adjudications of legal right, this is only because such an adjudication would proceed upon principles commonly accepted, and thus forming part of international law, and upon the common agreement to respect the decision of an impartial tribunal in the application of such principles. This is a limited field where force is rarely needed and where the sanctions of public opinion and the demands of national honor are generally quite sufficient to bring about acquiescence in judicial awards. But in the field of conflicting national policies, and what are deemed essential interests, when the smoldering fires of old grievances have been fanned into a flame by a passionate sense of immediate injury, or the imagination of peoples is dominated by apprehension of present danger to national safety, or by what is believed to be an assault upon national honor, what force is to control the outbreak? Great powers agreeing among themselves may indeed hold small powers in check. But who will hold great powers in check when great powers disagree?.

 * There is no path to peace except as the will of peoples may open to it. The way of peace is through agreement, not through force. The question then is not of any ambitious scheme to prevent war, but simply of the constant effort, which is the highest task of statesmanship in relation to every possible cause of strife, to diminish a people's disposition to resort to force and to find a just and reasonable basis for accord. If the energy, ability, and sagacity equal to that now devoted to preparation for war could be concentrated upon such efforts aided by the urgent demands of an intelligent public opinion, addressed not to impossibilities but to the removal or adjustment of actual differences, we should make a sure approach to our goal.

 * The only real progress to abiding peace is found in the friendly disposition of peoples and … facilities for maintaining peace are useful only to the extent that this friendly disposition exists and finds expression. War is not only possible, but probable, where mistrust and hatred and desire for revenge are the dominant motives. Our first duty is at home with our own opinion, by education and unceasing effort to bring to naught the mischievous exhortation of chauvinists; our next is to aid in every practicable way in promoting a better feeling among peoples, the healing of wounds, and the just settlement of differences.

Quotes about Hughes

 * Now largely forgotten, Hughes was one of the great political figures of his age, both in America and on the world stage, and was very much the intellectual rival of his opponent in the narrowly lost presidential election of 1916, Woodrow Wilson. Hughes public career was distinguished and wide-ranging. A progressive Republican New York City lawyer catapulted overnight into the public eye by his service on public commissions investigating corruption in the utility and insurance industries, Hughes served as governor of New York from 1907 to 1910, stepping down to accept William Howard Taft's appointment as associate justice of the U.S. Supreme Court. Despite pressures from supporters in the Republican Party, Hughes refused to leave the court to run for president in 1912; in 1916, he declined to seek his party's nomination (or, indeed, even to indicate a willingness to accept it) but having received it, stepped down from the court to take up the race against Wilson.
 * Edward Rhodes, in "Charles Evans Hughes Reconsidered, or: Liberal Isolationism in the New Millennium" in The Real and the Ideal : Essays on International Relations in Honor of Richard H. Ullman (2001).

 * Always a Progressive in outlook, Hughes believed in the organic growth and evolution of polities and political relationships; any effort to freeze conditions would inevitably become a reactionary defense of the rights of the privileged against what might, in some cases, be the reasonable and legitimate demands of the dispossessed and the interests of the community as a whole.
 * Edward Rhodes, in "Charles Evans Hughes Reconsidered, or: Liberal Isolationism in the New Millennium" in The Real and the Ideal : Essays on International Relations in Honor of Richard H. Ullman (2001).

 * I don’t know the man I admire more than Hughes. If ever I have the chance I shall offer him the Chief Justiceship.
 * William Howard Taft, in a letter to his sister-in-law, Clara F. Butt (21 March 1910).

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Linking to Wikibooks
Is this a good idea to link from Wikiquote to Wikibooks ? I mean, for example, from Shakespearean quotations to appropriate scenes of Shakespeare plays that are in Wikibooks. Unfortunately we can not link to specific lines :-( --Kpjas 17:49, 16 Sep 2003 (UTC)

 * Well i thinks its a good idea as,

 * 1) intergrates Wikimedia projects together.
 * 2) helps ppl that want the full text, rtaher than just quotes.

 * -fonzy

 * Even though you can't link to specific lines, you can link to sections using section linking, which can often get you very close. Nanobug 02:22, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

 * Actually, since Wikibooks is a wiki, you can link to specific lines. You add a div tag with an id attribute surrounding the line, in Wikibooks.  Then link to it with #, and you're golden. It's just a lot of trouble to do it for lots of lines. w:User:JesseW 19:13, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Boldly reformatting special pages
I find it cumbersome that, unlike discussion pages, many discussion-style special pages (like Village pump and Bug reports) don't have a convenient Post comment link (a "+" tab using the new software). The result is an odd mix of horizontal-line-divided, untitled topics and table-of-contents indexed sections, the latter of which often appear halfway down the page. I've been bold enough to reformat some discussion pages that had this problem in various wikis. I'd like to do it for Bug reports, too, but I'd opinions on whether this is acceptable. Does anyone mind if I retroactively add these headings? Am I right in thinking that the Post comment approach is relatively new and is therefore not implemented everywhere it would be useful? Is there any metawiki discussion about adding it to special pages? -- Jeff Q 13:11, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm not sure about any discussions on the matters at Meta-wiki, but adding section headers where they seem appropriate is no problem with me. I had noted much the same thing in the various listings, but simply was not too bothered by it, for the most part. ~ Kalki 13:40, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

Searching for Quotations
I'm not sure about Wikiquote's policies on linking to external websites, but I'd like to recommend that my Quotations and Proverbs Search tool be added to the no-results-found page (search results). Either a link, or my searchbox (javascript include) would, I think, aid users who cannot find what they are looking for in Wikiquote. -- Fagan

Wikiquote logo
Out of vague curiosity, what happened to the old Wikiquote logo? It seems to have been replaced by something with a yellow background and some text. Is that a consequence of the new skin? If so, is the old logo being reworked to accommodate the change? Sorry if I missed something.

 * The logo being used now actually was the original logo, but I am not aware of why the reversion occured during the recent software upgrades. ~ Kalki 04:29, 17 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * I just wanted to ask the same question. At the moment, I am collecting information about the logos of the different Wikimedia projects on meta:Logos. Could you Wikiquotists tell there which logo is the right one? Information about the author and link to a high resolution version would be nice, too. --Elian

 * the answer to that is this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/upload/6/6c/Wikiquote4logo.png - fonzy

 * I can't fix these things if you don't tell me about them -- Tim Starling 03:37, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Volunteers wanted: Wikimedia Embassy
Hello, at meta:Wikimedia Embassy we have a list with people of the different wikipedias to contact for questions about their projects. It would be fine to have someone from Wikiquote there, too. If you like to do the job, please fill in your name there. --Elian

Please let's not forget to link to and from Wikipedia
Linking from Wikipedia to Wikiquote as an internal link: Theme Andries 21:14, 25 Jun 2004 (UTC)

 * For a list of wikiquote and wikipedia articles with the same titles (almost all the names of books, films or people), see w:User:Topbanana/Reports/A wikiquote article exists on this topic - Topbanana 14:09, 12 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Multi-language Wikiquote
I've been asked to set up a wikiquote in another language, so I'm converting it to the multi-language style, like Wikipedia and Wiktionary. Except this time I'm implementing an on-demand system so only the wikis people want will be created. The URL of this wiki will change from wikiquote.org to en.wikiquote.org, with a redirect left behind so nothing will be broken. If I do it right, at the most you'll just see a couple of minutes of downtime here and there. Maybe the logo image will disappear, or the site will go into an infinite redirect loop, or you'll get blank pages or database errors. Don't bother reporting it unless the problem persists for more than 5 minutes. -- Tim Starling 14:07, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * I've set up the Main Page of [it.wikiquote.org]. A couple of problems: the main page is called "Wikipedia", but should be "Pagina principale" (I fixed this with a redirect for the moment). A lot of MediaWiki messages are still in english and i would like to translate them but I suppose is a task for an administrator. I would like to know who should I ask to become an administrator of it.wikiquote. I'm already one of the administrators of it.wikipedia, if this can be a useful reference. w:User:Snowdog - w:it:Utente:Snowdog

 * Try Requests for permissons on the meta wiki. Thats the usual process for getting admin rights on a new project. Krik 22:25, 17 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * It is good to see that Wikiquote projects for languages other than english have finally begun, despite the adjustments that now need to be made here. I had known for some time that the "en:SUBJECT" links to Wikipedia were slated to become obsolete, and had not used them, but currently even the format that I had been informed would remain valid, "wikipedia:en" is not working properly, and forms a link to an empty page within Wikiquote to edit, designated with a "Wikipedia:En". I hope this can be fixed without needing to revise all these individual links, but I will post announcements and examples in the next few days indicating that now (and hopefully forever) the preferred link format from a Wikiquote project to a Wikipedia project in the same language is: Name or Subject  (See Templates for more information on formatting links between projects).
 * Prior to using "wikipedia:en" I had tried "w:en" thinking it a likely abbreviation, but at that time it did not function. Currently a similar situation exists in the Wikipedia, where Name or Subject is non-functional, but I believe this would be a good alternative to the current Name or Subject format, and could easily accomodate the additional languages that will be developed in a manner similar to that used with the Wikipedia links. I am suggesting that it should probably be used as a preferred format (but without making the previous link format obsolete, having it instead default to the Wikiquote of the same language, as the "w:" does for the Wikipedia).
 * Other relatively minor issues that have arisen amidst all the recent changes (since the software upgrades) are that the older logo has replaced the newer, and that the "Q" favicon which had been displayed in some browsers is now replaced with Wikipedia's "W" (when the older favicon has not been retained in a browser's support files). ~ Kalki 02:34, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * When I converted Wiktionary to a multi-language project, I introduced the concept of a "lateral" interwiki link, which links to the same language of a different project. Since wikiquote is now converted, it can also take advantage of this fetaure. I think q: would be quite acceptable as a lateral interwiki prefix for wikiquote. I'll see what I can do about setting that up. I would recommend w: over w:en:, as it skips a redirect and provides an easy way of linking to the Wikipedia of the same language as the source wiki. To link to a Wikipedia of a different language, the w:en: style is fine. The other lateral interwiki prefix is wikt: for wiktionary. Not sure what happened with the favicon, I'll look into it. -- Tim Starling 04:08, 19 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Quote of the day on Wikipedia
Would it be possible to put a quote of the day onto Wikipedia? People could then put it on their user pages, and it would link to both Wikipedia's article on the cited person and through to wikiquote, giving a good bit of publicity for this place. Is this possible in a transwiki process or does the two have to be maintained separately? Use this link to contact me on Wikipedia Duncharris 20:35, 22 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Wikilink to specific quote?
I have been working on some wikipedia pages which include quotes. I wonder if there is some way to link directly to a particular quote. For example, if a particular quote was given a linkable tag then I could put that in the wikipedia entry. In that way, clicking on the references would center on the relevant quote. If this mechanism already exists, could you please point me towards it (sometimes I miss the obvious)? So, why link to wikiquote anyway? Well, lots of quotes floating around are slightly wrong in the phrasing, misattributed, or not sourced (as a random example see George W. Bush). By linking to wikiquote, I ensure that any updates in sourcing, attribution, error correction, etc are automatically corrected in my wikipedia entry. Of course, I could just link to the whole page, but the page may be so long as to be a burden to the reader (see Bush again). Of course, I could just link to the section. But again (see Bush) that may be quite long, and it's not as elegant. So, my humble proposal would be to add an optional tag for each quote. For example, "make the pie higher" could be tagged or labeled as simply "pie" (George_W._Bush#pie).

 * Well, I'll answer my own question having poked around quite a bit. You can add a labelled div section.
 * For example <div id="pie"> "make the pie higher" </div> will allow someone to link to the pie quote just as if it were a section heading. --Wolfman

Multiple languages / semi-translations of quotations
I've been steadily adding new pages and adding quotes to existing pages, and I've just come across something I hadn't seen before: A long, long, much-too-long list of supposed translations of English-language quotations into other languages. The first one I found was W. H. Auden, but there are others. Someone please tell me, what is the point of translating a single sentence by an English-speaking author into languages like Albanian, Basque, and Limburgian, fer cryin' out loud??? First, Auden did not write in any of those languages. (If you know of a famous Limburgian author whose words deserve to be recorded in Wikiquote, go to it.) Second, I very much doubt that whoever committed this nonsense is fluent in all those extremely minor languages, so the supposed translations are suspect. (If they were machine-produced, all the more reason to doubt their accuracy.) Third, what is the relevance or utility of taking up all that space with someone's attempt to show off? It strikes me as being very close to a subtle form of vandalism.... --Michael K. Smith 16:18, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree they should be removed. I don't think that they were meant as vandalism, but probably were simply an early effort to provide sample statements in many languages that was quickly rejected as impractical. I think they were actually rejected early on, and no more were added, but they were not all removed. For some time I had been thinking of doing so and placing them on a single page somewere, but I might simply erase them now. I know of a few pages where they exist, and might go about removing them in the next day or two. ~ Kalki 18:42, 17 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Images
The pages on this wiki look kind of plain. It may be helpful if images were on the pages. Strangely enough though pictures don't seem to be on many (if any) pages though. Should images of people, movies or what not be used in Wikiquote? --Alsocal 05:13, 8 Aug 2004 (UTC)

 * I think putting images are a good idea. Articles concerning people might be improved with the author images. Some of theme articles would be better to have an appropriate image. --Aphaia 13:36, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I am aware that pictures can enhance pages significantly but up to now have discouraged their use here, for several reasons, but now see reasons for relenting. Most importantly, development seems to be proceeding well on the Wikimedia Commons as a site to store GNU FDL and public domain images that can be used across all Wikimedia projects and I would like to encourage the use of it for any images to be used here. I would still like to discourage the uploading here of copyrighted images that invoke fair use, or that are merely redundant copies of images already used on the Wikipedia; there is no need to clutter up the Wikimedia servers with these.
 * I feel there is no need to suddenly fill this project or its pages with images, and I would like to caution people to keep the sizes of any images that they use relatively small, and to normally try to use only one well chosen image to a page. Though many of us are blessed to have broadband connections most people still do not, and every image can greatly increase the time it takes pages to load, and the amount of browsing that many people can do. ~ Kalki 21:07, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * Here is some information, and an example link to the Wikimedia Commons:

 * Notice about Wikimedia Commons from Erik Möller (W:User:Eloquence)

Wikipedia integration
I just want to voice my real desire for Wikiquote to be integrated into Wikipedia as a /quote subpage instead of a sister project. Just seems inefficient to have a seperate login and system for quotes. Of course I have to assume this was rejected for a good reason... but nobody told me bout it! :') RoyBoy 06:58, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * If your only concern is the separate login you should be pleased to know that a single account for all WikiMedia projects will be introduced in the near future. See Single_login_poll on Meta for details. About the sub page - IIRC the sub page system has been abandoned in favour of a separate page for each article for the sake of clarity and ease of navigation (there was a mention about it somewhere on Wikipedia or Meta, can't remember where exactly...). Special greatings to all form the polish Wikiquote team. :) --TOR 12:52, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Interlang encouragement
I propose we make more interlang links as same as Wikipedia. Most of non-English authors have their own article in their mother tongue projects. Theme artcles are found in many projects too. Putting interlang links and finding new quotations can improve both projects. I think it is our virtues as a multilingual project. --Aphaia 13:32, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * This is certainly a worthy task for those who wish to do it; the more links between the Wikiquote projects in various languages the better. I would also like to add that having quotes in the original languages as well as English translations should also be retained as a goal of the English Wikiquote project. ~ Kalki 20:40, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Thanks for the New Favicon
I would like to thank whoever was responsible among the designers and developers for the new Wikiquote favicon that uses the logo Neolux designed. I don't actually know how long its been around, and only noticed it a few days ago, because I was using a browser I don't normally use, and saw it in the address bar. I had to delete my old favicons folders, or reset some preferences in my primary browsers (Safari and Firefox) so it would show up in these, but I definitely like it. THANKS. ~ Kalki 20:21, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Oh, it's been around for some time now. I don't know exactly but a few weeks at least. And yeah, it makes using tabs so much easier when you've got Wikipedia open in one and Wikiquote in the other. No more slip ups like uploading an image to Wikiquote by mistake :P --TOR 10:09, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Attributed?
Maybe I haven't found it yet, but I haven't found anything that explains what "Attributed" means. My first assumption was that it means "attributed to XXX, but no verfication found yet", but that would mean that there should also be a separate category for "False attributions" (or maybe "Proven false") where it is known that thorough searches have been done (through both public records and private letters, etc.) and no version of the quote has been found, where it has been proven that someone falsified the quote, or where it has been shown the quote is by someone else. For some major figures (Abraham Lincoln for example) there are so many false quotes out there that there really needs to be some way to keeping track of all the false quotes for them, if for no other reason than to have a list to check against when people add new quotes. gK ¿? 09:18, 15 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * A discussion occurred here about name designations, and a bit earlier on the same page. "Sourced" was suggested for all quotations with citations, with a recommendation to abandon "Verified" as too strong a word, far too casually applied, too easily, by too many. "Attributed" to be used on quotes known to be attributed to an individual or source, but without definite citations, and various options for more dubious quotations were proposed or suggested at various places: "Misattributed" for quotes that were known to be wrongfully attributed to a source, and "Probably spurious" where the evidence indicates that they were probably fabricated quotations (sometimes even with fabricated citations). "Quotations by others about ________" is also a recommended heading. "Almost certainly spurious" has sometimes been used, where the evidence of falsehood is especially strong, and occasionally such quotations, or misattributions have been removed to the talk page, because they are not considered worthy of considiration as even possibly genuine, or correctly attributed. It is not recommended that even such quotes as are commonly misattributed to a source be deleted entirely, because we should aim at providing information that debunks false quotes, as well as that which confirms the true ones. Any more precise information or speculation about a particular quotation's origins than the various headers provide can be made in the comments beneath the quote, or sometimes on the talk page. ~ Kalki

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