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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Transcendentalism Today

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The result was: Deleted. --Aphaia 16:05, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Transcendentalism Today

 * A external link only page related to above vote. Rmhermen 16:01, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete In my humble opinion, a page with only external links, only categories or only interlang links, such things is appropriate to be speedy deletion candidates. --Aphaia 07:47, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I believe Wikiquote would benefit from adopting the recently updated English Wikipedia speedy deletion rules, under which this would indeed be a speedy deletion candidate. jni 09:51, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Deleted--Aphaia 16:05, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Variations of I stretched my rectum

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The result was: deleted. — Jeffq 17:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Variations of I stretched my rectum
Worthless shock "quotes" without source. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 10:38, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: deleted (3 Deletes; no dissent). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:51, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 10:38, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:04, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete UDScott 20:16, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Vice President

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 15:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vice President
One quote from a news service that could just move to the utterer. Doesn't seem an important enough theme. MosheZadka 11:22, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: Deleted (3 Deletes; no dissent; single quote copied to John McCain). — Jeff Q (talk) 15:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete MosheZadka 11:22, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This article might be expanded with "Vice President" quotes, but its title and current content imply "U.S. Vice President", as opposed to other nations' vice presidents; corporate, NGO, or non-profit organization vice presidents; or any other vice presidents, for that matter. Easier to delete article with only 1 quote that already exists in John McCain than to hash out NPOV scope of "theme" article with no other quotes. Unless someone has a trove of VP quotes, I suggest putting any into Politics or other appropriate articles until enough VP quotes appear to justify a theme. — Jeff Q (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. What JeffQ said. Sams 20:44, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Waleed Tuffaha

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The result was: delete. — MosheZadka 22:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Waleed Tuffaha
No intro, no wp, 1 google result from a "name database". Quotes look like vanity. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:06, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Vote closed: Result: delete (3 deletes, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 22:55, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:06, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless evidence of notability provided. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:19, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --Aphaia 19:55, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Wanyes World Wanyes World Patry Tmie Exclleent

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The result was: merged. — Rmhermen 16:09, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Wanyes World Wanyes World Patry Tmie Exclleent
Wanyes World is not only incorrectly spelled but includes quotes from the film seemingly at random. Correct page already exists or I would have moved it.-- keshiklabs 1:00 28 Sep 2004

 * NOTE: actual nomination time: 05:03, 28 September 2004 (UTC) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:58, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

 * This article should probably be merged with Wayne's World, then made into a redirect. I might get around to doing so in the next week or so, but its not a priority for me. ~ Kalki 17:03, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Page was merged. Rmhermen 16:09, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Wikiquote:Other ｌanguage Wikiquotes

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The result was: delete. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:23, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Other ｌanguage Wikiquotes
… and its associated talk page, Wikiquote talk:Other ｌanguage Wikiquotes. Another pair of leftover redirects to good pages from unlikely typos. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED: Result delete (3 delete, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:23, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jeff Q (talk) 11:57, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 12:44, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and sorry for typo; ｌ is a Japanese equivalent to |(pipe), and unlikely happens ... --Aphaia 09:19, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Wikiquote:Out of the Past

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The result was: delete. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Out of the Past
Leftover redirect after moving a proper article to Out of the Past in the main article space. Not sure if we have a case for speedy deletion. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:53, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED: Result delete (3 deletes, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:22, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jeff Q (talk) 11:53, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete and as discussed elsewhere, we probably need to amend the SD policy (or possibly, rewrite it) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 12:43, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete redirect after moving could be a speedy deletion candidate specially in case the former name was apparently wrong or didn't follow naming convention. --Aphaia 08:19, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Wikiquote:Yo, Millard Fillmore!

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The result was: delete. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:24, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Yo, Millard Fillmore!
One more leftover redirect from a move, this one to proper article Yo, Millard Fillmore!. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:00, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED: Result delete (2 delete, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:24, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jeff Q (talk) 12:00, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 12:44, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/William M. "Morrie" Weeks

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The result was: deleted.. — Aphaia 20:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

William M. "Morrie" Weeks
No wp article, no obviously relevant hits of google, not sure why he is notable. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 10:54, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: deleted. (3 deletes, no dissent). Aphaia 20:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 10:54, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless evidence provided of notability. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:02, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: This "Morrie Weeks" is apparently the friend of the boss of Tulocay Wines in Napa, California, and is quoted on their webpage. Might be a interesting guy; doesn't make him notable. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:54, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Aphaia 14:08, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Yatin Mondkar

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The result was: Delete. MosheZadka 06:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yatin Mondkar
No wikipedia article, no google search. Seems like a vanity page. MosheZadka 06:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: deleted (1 delete, no dissent) Aphaia.
 * Delete MosheZadka 06:21, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Zach Miller

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The result was: delete. — MosheZadka 20:02, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Zach Miller
No quotes, probably not notable either. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 16:03, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: delete (2 delete, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 20:02, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless quotes added and notability established. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 16:03, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Concur with MosheZadka. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:32, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Zalman Stern

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 08:03, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

Zalman Stern

 * I can't establish whether this person is notable or simply a Wikiquote user. This page and a quote on his user page are User:MadUrban's only contributions. Rmhermen 13:17, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: Deleted (1 Delete; no dissent; 2 comment/question). Content merged with Computers. — Jeff Q (talk) 08:03, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment He seems to be a programmer or computer related person and perhaps identical with this Zalman Stern , but perhaps not the same with this person .  And I can't find he is an eminent person only in such communities or as famous as Linus Tobald or others. And here another problem arises; if those quotes can be attributed to him exactly or not. Then we can mail him and ask if he said those words really ... --Aphaia 09:40, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Stern is from Carnegie Mellon University's Information Technology Center and is published in computer science periodicals. (He probably is the Stern mentioned in Aphaia's Informatik link ([3] above), as it covers the CMU-based Andrew Filesystem.) However, it seems unlikely we'll ever see more than the 2 existing quotes added when the article was created in Nov 2003. I suggest moving those quotes to Computers and then deleting this article. I have also posted a message to MadUrban's Talk page to ask for counter-arguments. (He/she hasn't made any other contributions, but may still be a regular Wikiquote reader.) — Jeff Q (talk) 11:38, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Özhan Öztürk

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The result was: delete. — MosheZadka 20:03, 8 October 2005 (UTC)

Özhan Öztürk
Copyvio (admitted) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 16:06, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: delete (2 delete, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 20:03, 8 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 16:06, 24 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:36, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Category:Amerindians

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The result was: Kept. --Aphaia 3 July 2005 14:53 (UTC)

Category:Amerindians

 * Vote closed: Kept (4 keeps, some significant comments from an editor, not explicit dissent but apparent not in favor of keeping it). As a subsidiary result, Category:Amerindians should be deleted (3 deletes, no explicit dissent) --Aphaia 3 July 2005 14:53 (UTC)

 * Delete. Replaced by Category:Amerindians -- Benn M 07:12, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) (The user who nominated the entry for deletion wishes to strike through his vote here. How does he do this? --Benn M 17:41, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC))
 * Comment: '' I stroke it . Use  or , further information is available on How to edit a page, I hope ... Aphaia
 * Thanks. --Benn M 23:53, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Could you let me know why "Amerindians" is the better name? Native Americans sounds me more natural and Amerindians sounds strange and a bit unclear. --Aphaia 21:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Personally, I prefer the linguistic term "Amerind", which has sufficient separation from its erroneous English origins to be useful with less false implication. — Jeff Q (talk) 17:34, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep - I am long familiar with the term Amerindian, and have used it, but it does remain relatively unfamiliar to most people, while Native American is quite commonly used. I believe Native Americans should be preferred here, as it is on the Wikipedia, and Amerindian deleted as a category. ~ Kalki 21:37, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep, and delete the Amerindian category. Sams 22:30, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment: And the Pandora's box of categorization by nationality/geography/ethnicity is hereby opened. Not that I would stoop to saying I told you so, eh? ☺ — Jeff Q (talk) 02:18, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Native Americans is a more inclusive title than Amerindian which does not include Inuits and perhaps Na-Dene groups like the Navaho. See discussion at Talk:Native American. Rmhermen 17:18, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Rmhermen, your comment implies that we want to include Inuits and others in the category. Why shouldn't they be in a separate category? What is the intended subset of peoples to be represented by this category? Aren't we really talking about "people of the Americas whose ancestors arrived between 25,000 BCE and 1000 CE", or "people of the Americas whose ancestors weren't from colonizing European nations"? And where do we fit notable people who have ancestors in both the earlier and later populations? — Jeff Q (talk) 17:34, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Citing Rmhermen's citation. Delete Category:Amerindians. A note on the categorization by nationality/geography/ethnicity in this particular circumstance. I didn't want the term "Native American", often misconstrued as a native of the territory of the United States, to be so misconstrued. However, after reading this, I relent. -- Benn M 19:39, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I don't think it is a good idea to begin another vote on a certain deletion vote (because every vote needs at least 14 days and it make the discussion unclear). --Aphaia 07:37, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: As a native American (i.e., someone born in America), I take offense to this categorization. (Not enough to vote one way or another on it; just enough to make inconvenient, probing comments.) My friend Magdalena is also a native American, having been born in Mexico, North America. Yes, our ancestors participated in the slaughter of the earlier residents (the so-called indigenous peoples, who themselves moved in from Asia and/or Pacific islands), but then again, some of our ancestors were probably from those very same earlier occupants, putting many of us on both sides of this classification divide. This is what I mean by arguing that such distinctions are inherently misleading, confusing, and therefore of dubious value. — Jeff Q (talk) 17:34, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * So you also take offense to wikipedia:Category:Native Americans? I don't see the value in making isolated decisions on issues that aren't related to quotations. Therefore, if it's important to you, since you're an active wikipedia user I suggest that you also raise this issue there. Sams 20:30, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Not to mention w:Category:Murdered Native Americans. -- Benn M 23:54, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I object to both Wikipedia categories on the "Native American" part (not the murdered part, as long as it's supported by facts). But I've already said I'm on no crusade on categories, and this goes double for Wikipedia. I am mainly interested in preventing the importing of such crusades into an understaffed Wikiquote without good reason. It's like an "unfunded mandate" — we add complexity to WQ without the means to maintain it, except, of course, that we do it to ourselves voluntarily. — Jeff Q (talk) 01:03, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems like a contradiction to me when you say "add complexity to WQ", because the simple option is to use the common "Native American", while you're making an argument that the common terminology shouldn't be used, thus introducing complexities. So how come that you say in this context that you're interested in preventing complexities? Sams 01:30, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The complexity I refer to is adding the never-ending arguments that ensue from using inherently controversial classifications to our already overextended set of unresolved issues. I was not in favor of introducing categories by nationality, geography, or ethnic background. I realize that it's inevitable that we'll have these; I just didn't want to deal with it so soon. Every active user on Wikiquote has at least 5 or 6 things they feel we should add, modify, standardize, or otherwise change, and many of them are unique to each user. The resulting pile-up of administrative work is a real headache. But I'll shut up on this particular issue now. — Jeff Q (talk) 28 June 2005 05:19 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Category:Britain, Prime Ministers

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 20:23, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Category:Britain, Prime Ministers

 * Bad format. Category:British Prime Ministers is better. I already moved the one entry. Rmhermen 16:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: Deleted (3 Deletes, 1 implicit delete; no dissent). — Jeff Q (talk) 20:23, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I agree, also. Delete. Benn M 16:39, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jeff Q (talk) 10:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Aphaia 21:12, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Category:Films in the People's Republic of China

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The result was: delete. — MosheZadka 05:08, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Category:Films in the People's Republic of China
Nothing in it, and not seeing it as a useful subcategory. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 13:16, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: delete (2 delete, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:08, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 13:16, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Based on its original inclusion of a tag for Category:Films in China, this category appears to be an attempt to differentiate PRC films from perhaps Taiwanese films; i.e., drawing a distinction between the popular concept of "China" and the multiple political entities that claim that name. I will annoyingly remind everyone that I had predicted this kind of contention over collections by geography or nationality. Get used to it; it'll only get worse. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * More reason to delete: It appears that this category is part of a initial effort by 142.166.198.170 and Gavinnauss (certainly the same person, given their brief edit histories) to categorize films both by setting and by "language" (presumably language spoken in the official release, not any after-market dubbing). This effort seems to have been inspired by only a single article, Kill Bill. The nine categories created under Films by setting and Films by language all ultimately point solely to KB, and this category under VfD was included as part of that flurry of categorizing activity. I seriously doubt that we have the community motivation to establish these two additional forms of film categorization at this time, just because one article (itself in unanswered need of cleanup) can benefit from the unusual inclusion of several of these categories. If we do vote to delete, we should also delete every one of these singleton categories. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:45, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Category:Humanitarians

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The result was: deleted. — MosheZadka 6 July 2005 08:56 (UTC)

Category:Humanitarians
Only one member (who is other, more objective, categories). Also, I don't believe it is the business of wikiquote to give out marks for good behaviours (let's just quote those who do!) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 6 July 2005 08:56 (UTC)

Categories: 1914 births | Nobel Peace Prize winners | Humanitarians | Norwegian-Americans | Biologists | Presidential Medal of Freedom recipients | People from Iowa
 * Vote closed: Result: deleted (2 deletes, no dissent). ~ MosheZadka 08:50, 21 July 2005 (added from history by Jeffq)
 * Delete: ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 6 July 2005 08:56 (UTC)
 * Comment: For your information the one under this category is categorized on Wikiquote as below:
 * And I assume "humanitarians" is not "mark for good behaviours" but a sort of activists (but not so political) here ... --Aphaia 6 July 2005 10:10 (UTC)

 * Delete until Wikiquote has enough active sysops and other conscientious editors to ensure that such a category won't be abused. (Check out the Wikipedia category description to consider how easily this may be done in a wiki that can't keep up with its less scrupulous editors.) — Jeff Q (talk) 23:07, 9 July 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Category:People from Canada

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 20:26, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Category:People from Canada

 * Already exists at Category:Canadians. Delete. Benn M 17:09, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: Deleted (3 Deletes; no dissent). — Jeff Q (talk) 20:26, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jeff Q (talk) 10:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. --Aphaia 21:15, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Category:Prime Ministers of Britain

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 20:11, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Category:Prime Ministers of Britain
Delete. Category made in error. Proper category is here. Benn M 16:31, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: Deleted (3 Deletes; no dissent). — Jeff Q (talk) 20:11, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jeff Q (talk) 10:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete, because categories can't moved, then create "Prime ministers of Britain"; I think it is not bad we have both category (alphabetical order) and list (perhaps chronological). --Aphaia 21:14, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Aphaia, does this mean you do not support the current, active Category:British Prime Ministers that Rmhermen mentions in the "Category:Britain, Prime Ministers" vote below? — Jeff Q (talk) 23:43, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Well my rigid inclination to consistency says "Prime Ministers of Britain" is not appropriate like "Computer Scientists and others. But it is of course my personal feeling. Aph.

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Category:Words

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The result was: Deleted.. — Aphaia 6 July 2005 08:04 (UTC)

Category:Words
Under Category:Fundamental but only contained only one word (I put it under "Themes"). It has not been used by any editors. In my opinion it is better for us to re-organize two category "Main Page" and "Fundamental"; Or at least put "Themes" under Fundamental too. --Aphaia 17:32, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: Deleted. (2 deletes, no dissent). --Aphaia 6 July 2005 08:04 (UTC)
 * Delete unless someone can provide a compelling argument for how this category might be useful. — Jeff Q (talk) 00:17, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete --Aphaia 4 July 2005 06:45 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Talk:Frenetic Five/Alternative

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The result was: delete. — Jeffq 02:10, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Frenetic Five/Alternative
This experimental alternative page for Frenetic Five was nominated for speedy deletion because "main page already has that format", which I infer to mean that the tested format was transferred to the main article after it was agreed upon. However, it does not meet SD criteria. It is not a "test page" in the Wikipedia/Wikiquote sense of an inappropriate sandbox; it was apparently a community attempt to develop a consensus to change the format, and as such, should be handled by VfD when its purpose is done. (Personal subpages may be speedy-deleted, but not article subpages. Also, it's inappropriate to use the Talk: namespace for a full-blown test of an article; it should be a subpage of the article, and its talk page used to discuss the experiment. But that's another issue.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:10, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED: Result: delete (2 delete, no dissent)
 * Delete. Jeff Q (talk) 02:10, 3 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:54, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Talk:Reirom

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 11:27, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Reirom
Wikiquote is being trolled.--Eustace Tilley 10:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: Deleted (5 Deletes; no dissent). — Jeff Q (talk) 11:27, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. I've suggested to the folks who keep trying to resurrect the Reirom article (through fair means and foul) that they might have more luck with the Portugeuse Wikiquote/Wikipedia, as this seems to be a Brazilian tech community thing. — Jeff Q (talk) 10:51, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Reirom is Brazilian; the emulation community is international and conducts its affairs largely in English, but at the moment he has achieved the status of Colorful Forum Personality. To break through to the next level, he needs to originate a phrase which becomes an Internet phenomenon and his advocates need to do some promotional stunts similar to All_your_base_are_belong_to_us. --Eustace Tilley 11:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. Protect if necessary. Rmhermen 13:17, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * There were two anonymous votes; I removed it because
 * this is not a vote literal but factly a discussion to make the community consensus. (Wikipedia currently made a good and brief explanation of this point as a template). So not only anonymous votes but also new comers' vote are not welcome here, specially those people have no legitimate edits on this project. (On the other hand, Veronica Mars vote showed us a good model what Wikiquote editors can do and how they can save the article from deletion).
 * No vote without signiture (and both were from IP) is allowed as far as I understand on our project.
 * So I got rid of two anonymous votes. I don't oppose any registered Wikiquote editors restore them from history but at that time I hope that editor will join the discussion what kind of vote we have here on VfD. --Aphaia 01:16, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. WQ is not a discussion forum about already deleted topics. jni 07:33, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Jni said quite well. --Aphaia 19:27, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Template:Can'tDelete

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 23:24, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Template:Can'tDelete

 * Delete: Replaced with Template:Pending deletion. --Aphaia 02:24, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: Deleted (3 Deletes; no dissent). — Jeff Q (talk) 23:24, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No need for duplicates. Rmhermen 19:21, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. So we're voting to delete something called "Can'tDelete". Hmm. ☺ Jeff Q (talk) 09:30, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Template:Warningdonotredirect

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The result was: Deleted.. — Aphaia 20:41, 19 September 2005 (UTC)

Template:Warningdonotredirect
Useless unused template: it can never be used for anything legitimate. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 03:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: Deleted. (3 deletes, no dissent).--Aphaia 20:41, 19 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 03:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. This is one of the "arguably useful" edits I refer to in the VfD entry for Thomas & Friends Go Wild!, also promulgated by 67.160.58.132 (who is probably our self-declared vandal RyanCahn). It was used by an article I speedy-deleted, "Wikiquote:Emergency Search", which was nothing but a blatant advertisement for RyanCahn's interests. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:13, 4 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Concur with Jeff.--Aphaia 07:12, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Template:Substub

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The result was: delete. — Aphaia 22:02, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Template:Substub

 * Page blanked. Probably a level of detail we don't need on this project. Rmhermen 15:27, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: delete (2 Deletes; finally no dissent during 26 days discusion). --Aphaia 22:02, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 *  Delete . Many Wikipedians seem to think they don't need that level of detail, either. I'd say (and its more specific relatives, courtesy of RoboAction) is adequate. — Jeff Q (talk) 19:44, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 *  Wait , pending discussion of use for "framework" articles (i.e., structure but no quotes). — Jeff Q (talk) 05:04, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I'm thinking that using this template name for "framework" articles would be confusing, so I'm going back to my original deletion vote. — Jeff Q (talk) 20:05, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too fine-grained mechanism for a project smaller than WP. I prefer either stub or nothing. jni 10:26, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Deleted. --Aphaia 22:15, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/User:SlawekP

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The result was: Deleted. --Aphaia 08:00, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:SlawekP
The text on this page is confirmed as Polish and Polish Wikiquoter TOR gave his opinion to us (see my talk). Briefly, hence he suggested to delete this page. And I need to add, this is the sole editing from this account. --Aphaia 02:11, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The content is a religious sorts of quotes including Bible
 * At least one publisher is mentioned
 * Links seems to aim to increase google rank
 * It seems to violate Wikiquote policy "not personal website"
 * VOTE CLOSED: Deleted. (4 deletes, no dissent.)--Aphaia 08:00, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Wikiquote is not a hosting service.--Aphaia 02:11, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. en:Wikiquote can demand even user pages to be in English in order to determine appropriateness. This is a clear example of how non-English text can be used to subvert WQ standards (no personal webpage hosting) without the community being aware of it. It harms the legitimate use of other languages (e.g., original-language quotations with translations). — Jeff Q (talk) 04:38, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. en.wikiquote user pages should be in English. If, in addition to the English text, a user also wants to add a short comment in his first language, that might not be an issue, but other than that it should be in English because that's what appropriate for en.wikiquote, and also so that we could easily see whether he's using the page to host personal stuff, as opposed to wikiquote stuff, like in this case. Sams 08:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I humbly oppose your idea, Sams. English text on the user page is preferable and kind for other users. But I don't think it as must or mundatory. I have many accounts on various wikis whose languages I can't understand (mainly for interlang links) but there has been no problem. The point is in my opinion "if we allow advertisement on the user page" not "if we allow other language(s) than English on the user page". --Aphaia 15:01, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete (would look odd if I didn't support my own suggestion, right? ;)). As for the "should be in English" rule proposal I'm with Britty - no language-related constraints should be used to limit the freedom of a user to put whatever he/she wishes on his/her User page. As long as it doesn't violate any Wiki policies. This one does, and that's that. Don't look at the language, look at the meaning and the goal of the author. --TOR 16:18, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Aphaia and TOR in principle, but there are severe practical problems with non-English pages in en:Wikiquote. How can we tell if pages violate policy if we can't read them? We don't have the active multilingual eyeballs on en:Wikiquote. I respectfully suggest that finding such a page in Polish was exceedingly lucky. If we had 200,000+ readers, we could probably expect someone to bring such pages to our attention regularly, but I really doubt we have any idea whatsoever whether others are doing this. I'd rather craft a policy encouraging English use on en:Wikiquote user pages (without restricting them to English-only, of course) than getting into the business of monitoring user pages and then finding translators for non-English pages just to verify they're not violating policy (which they almost always wouldn't be). Our maintenance staff is stretched thin enough as it is. — Jeff Q (talk) 21:53, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I assumed that since a user pages shouldn't be a personal page but should be related to wikiquote, and since this is en.wikiquote, the conclusion is that a user page should be related to English:), or more strongly, should use English primarily. But it seems that I was wrong, and at least in principle everyone else disagrees... ok then, no problem... I agree with JeffQ that in practice we might have a significant problem, but if you prefer, we could wait and see whether this problem repeats itself, before trying to formulate a policy. Sams 23:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: your look to User:Aphaia/User page draft and comment will be appreciated. Also elaboration & copyediting ;-) --Aphaia 07:05, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Wikiquote:People articles in Wikipedia to be linked to Wikiquote

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 23:25, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

People articles in Wikipedia to be linked to Wikiquote
Not only is this page breathtakingly out of date, but with Wikiquote at over 3100 articles, it is monstrously unscaleable. It is far easier to use "Random page", "All articles", or "Recent changes" to inspect articles and take a few seconds each to fix missing links as one comes across them. — Jeff Q (talk) 06:41, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: Deleted (3 Deletes; no dissent). — Jeff Q (talk) 23:25, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. — Jeff Q (talk) 06:41, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Hardly scalable, currently abandoned (so out of date); by the way I recommend New articles rather than All articles, though the former is not dynamicly generated. --Aphaia 07:38, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I forgot "New articles". With "All articles", I was thinking more of a systematic effort to clean up all 3100+ articles. Not that I'm volunteering! ☺ — Jeff Q (talk) 09:28, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I noticed this on before but couldn't quite determine it purpose. BTW I recommend "Old pages" where I have been doing a lot of work. Rmhermen 21:27, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Favorites

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The result was: Move now; delete over time. — Jeffq 19:51, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Favorites
This is a list of contributors' favorite quotes. RoboAction put a VFD tag on it on 18 Dec 2004, but there doesn't seem to be an entry for it here, so I'm adding it. Some reasons why this article doesn't make sense: — Jeff Q (talk) 06:18, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Wikiquote originated as a place to put favorite quotes, so it essentially is "Favorites".
 * 2) User:Kalki made an excellent point on Talk:Favorites that one can place anything of personal interest, like one's own favorite quotes, on one's User page.
 * 3) What other reason is there to have this page, if User pages can reflect each person's favorites, and Wikiquote reflects the community's?
 * VOTE CLOSED. Results: Move now; delete over time (no Keeps; 1 Delete; 2 Deletes after reintegration [1 implicit]; 1 Move out of main namespace). Move to Wikiquote:Favorites scheduled for 21 April or later, barring alternatives (discuss at TF:Proposed move). — Jeff Q (talk) 19:51, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete: It will become unscalable. We can encourage visitors to accumulate their own favorites on their user page instead. --Aphaia 05:15, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete carefully. I beleive this page is linked from several prominent places and we may want to check that the quotes on the page on already on there appropriate subject pages. Rmhermen 14:42, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Links are to Main page, List of categories, and old proposed variations of Main page. I agree that, should we delete, we should first transfer everything into appropriate articles. It'll take some time, but it's doable. — Jeff Q (talk) 06:08, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Google has |exactly one page outside Wiki linking to it. --Eustace Tilley 21:45, 7 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I do feel this shouldn't be in the main article sections. I would vote to archive it somewhere out of the main namespace, to keep a simple record of it, without going to all the trouble that deleting it, and moving much of its content might be. ~ Kalki 19:21, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Shoebomboflife~enwikiquote

~ MosheZadka (Talk) 08:54, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Shoebomboflife. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Shoebomboflife~enwikiquote that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
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User talk:62.25.106.209

I have reverted your changes to Charles II of England. The wikipedia article seems to call him "of England" ("of GB" is a redirect). Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:13, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Namja

~ MosheZadka (Talk) 12:00, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:Namja


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Talk:Theo de Raadt

Very bitter man, said some very nasty things! But in many cases, accurate things.

A jealous guy...

You have to understand that he is an ex-South African, from a South African culture that does not tolerate BS and says it like it is. They are goal-oriented and don't suffer fools gladly; in this, they have much in common with the Israelis. People from some cultures often find Israelis and South Africans to be abrasive and rude, but what's impolite in one culture is just straight talk in another. I speak from experience, being an ex-South African myself and having been frequently chastised in the USA for being undiplomatic. The difference between myself and Theo is that I have been beaten up enough to tone down my delivery and be more politically correct, and he is made of tougher stuff, I guess. I think Theo's (and my) point of view is that if people in general spent less time worrying about offending others, and more time on actually getting the job done, they would be a lot more productive (but there would probably be more wars :)

Context
Anyone have context for the Linus Torvalds quote that was simply, "Difficult"? --Shawn K. Quinn 22:55, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Some more
I started to collect quotes from Theo on the tech@openbsd lists back in 2000, and here they are:

[3 Feb 2000 On Richard Stallman's definition of 'free']
 * We prefer "free, do as you like, incorporate it into a baby mulching machine if that turns your crank".

[11 Feb 2000 On Richard Stallman's off-topic postings to tech@]
 * Away, Satan.

[20 May 2000 In response to the idea of non-root users allocating ports < 1024]
 * I have an idea. Let's build a traintrack to the moon.

[29 Jun 2000] After someone expressed concern about a warning message: (unclear source: )
 * Look at what it says: w a r n i n g. ie warning: do not put hand on hot stove element
 * warning: walking into traffic may result in injury
 * Half of you want an operating system that tells you what is going on.
 * The other half of you want us to remove any partially informative piece of text that disturbs you.
 * I wish you'd just find a room and bludgeon each other.

Unsourced

 * Buttons are for idiots.
 * /usr/src/usr.bin/mg/theo.c

 * A solid system's approach should not be based on "but it works." Yet, time and time again, we see that for most people this is the case. They don't care about good software, only about "good enough" software. So the programmers can continue to make such mistakes.
 * Slashdot, December 11, 2000

 * Why are you guys so fork paranoid? Do you want everyone to vote for the same political party, too?
 * Slashdot, December 11, 2000

 * I think your computer science teachers are still teaching you from books written in the '80s, when the word "micro-kernel" was associated with a future utopia.
 * Slashdot.org, December 11, 2000

 * But software which OpenBSD uses and redistributes must be free to all (be they people or companies), for any purpose they wish to use it, including modification, use, peeing on, or even integration into baby mulching machines or atomic bombs to be dropped on Australia.
 * On cvs@openbsd.org mailing list about an ipf license change, May 29, 2001:

 * Do you trust glibc? OK, perhaps that snide remark is overstating things a bit, but secure software only happens when all the pieces have 100% correct behavior.
 * KernelTrap.org, November 26, 2001

 * I say things as they are. Slackers are called slackers, people who can't read manual pages are called losers, and in general, calling things what they are results in developers wasting less time.
 * KernelTrap, November 26, 2001

 * You did not create these mailing lists, so you can take your opinions about why these lists were created and shove them up your ass.
 * tech@openbsd.org, June 15, 2002

 * We don't normally recommend that you use it over another operating system. Or even under, or beside, or even near. "Instead of " -- that describes how we use it ;)
 * in response to "Why would I want to use OpenBSD over another operating system?"
 * misc@openbsd.org, April 19, 2004

 * I am simply astounded at some of the things people keep repeating. I don't mean this applies to everyone, but is there a high quantity of attention deficit disorder in our user community?  Or retards?  Or is it just the same old trolling?  OpenBSD does not incorporate non-free software.
 * when asked to include binary files to support Atheros' 802.11g wireless technology
 * misc@openbsd.org mailing list, September 14, 2004

 * They may want to use some GPL'd build tools but if they start putting GPL parts directly into X, then that is going to cause another X split. I promise.
 * tech@openbsd.org, November 3, 2004

 * Scaling isn't really our concern; I barely know what the word means. There is one group of people who we do know scales. Whiners. They scale really well.
 * misc@openbsd.org mailing list, April 30, 2005

 * I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid.
 * KernelTrap.org, May 2, 2006

 * In the Unix system view, anything which needs to talk to raw devices INSTEAD OF THE KERNEL DOING SO is broken. There are no apologies to be made. Period. If you want X to talk to IO devices, what next? ls?
 * on the poor design of X
 * misc@openbsd.org, May 13, 2006

 * Hardly surprising. Apple. They build crap and make you pay extra.
 * on Apple's busted keyboard handling at device level and within ROM
 * misc@openbsd.org, January 6, 2007

 * Complexity does not avert risk. Ever.  Period.
 * misc@openbsd.org, July 16, 2007

 * Shut up and hack.

 * I could live in a tent and be happy, but all the ISPs want fixed addresses.
 * misc@openbsd.org, March 3, 2010

title: Talk:Theo de Raadt


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Melonpool

Melonpool is a webcomic by Steve Troop.

"Original Series"

 * Mayberry Melonpool
 * "To the time machine!"
 * as Dr. McCoy: "I'm a doctor, not a fictional country town!"

 * Ralph Zinobop
 * "It smelled like democracy..."
 * "Never send an android to do a Melotian's job."

 * Ralphie Zinobop
 * discussing Star Wars II: "Quick! Tell him about the clones!"

 * Sam T. Dogg
 * "There's nothing less conspicuous than six aliens pulling a 108-foot mallard out of a tarpit at the crack of dawn..."

 * Conversations
 * Jalea: "Eek! He's got a gun!"
 * Roberta: "That's not a gun, that's the Dup-o-Matic!"
 * Fauntelroy shoots them
 * "Jaberta":: "...or the Fuse-o-Matic..."

title: Melonpool


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Chasing Amy

Chasing Amy is a 1997 film about a comic-book artist who falls for a fellow comic-book artist, but his hopes are crushed when he discovers she's a lesbian.
 * Written and directed by Kevin Smith.

It's not who you love. It's how. (taglines)

Banky Edwards

 * This is all going to end badly.
 * All every woman really wants, be it mother, senator, nun, is some serious deep-dickin'.
 * I feel a hate crime coming on.
 * [to Alyssa] Since you like chicks, right, do you just look at yourself naked in the mirror all the time?
 * Archie is not fucking Mr. Weatherbee!
 * What difference does it make if I refer to her as a dyke? Or if I call the Whalers a bunch of faggots in the comfort of my own office, far from the sensitive ears of the rest of the world?
 * I'm going to prove to you beyond a shadow of a doubt that Archie is all about pussy!
 * I'm telling you that chick is probably a bigger germ farm than that monkey in Outbreak!
 * Catholic school girls. The uniform's what does it for me. I wish I had've went with more Catholic school girls when I was a kid. As it stands I have no, "And then she unzipped her jumper," stories.

Holden McNeil

 * It's not who you love, it's how.
 * If this is a crush, I don't think I could take it if the real thing ever happened.
 * Look, man, we miss this [train], and I am gonna shitcan you and just hire Charles Schulz.
 * I love you…I love you. And not, not in a friendly way, although I think we're great friends. And not in a misplaced affection, puppy-dog way, although I'm sure that's what you'll call it. I love you. Very, very simple, very truly. You are the-the epitome of everything I have ever looked for in another human being. And I know that you think of me as just a friend, and crossing that line is-is-is the furthest thing from an option you would ever consider. But—I had to say it. I just, I can't take this anymore. I can't stand next to you without wanting to hold you. I can't—I can't look into your eyes without feeling that—that longing you only read about in trashy romance novels. I can't talk to you without wanting to express my love for everything you are. And I know, this will probably queer our friendship—no pun intended—but I had to say it, 'cause I've never felt this way before, and I-I don't care. I like who I am because of it. And if bringing this to light means we can't hang out anymore, then that hurts me. But, God, I just—I couldn't allow another day to go by without just getting it out there, regardless of the outcome, which by the look on your face is to be the inevitable shoot-down. And, you know, I'll accept that. But I know, I know that some part of you is hesitating for a moment, and if there's a moment of hesitation, then that means you feel something, too. And all I ask, please, is that you just—you just not dismiss that, and try to dwell in it for just ten seconds. Alyssa, there isn't another soul on this fucking planet who has ever made me half the person I am when I'm with you, and I would risk this friendship for the chance to take it to the next plateau. Because it is there between you and me. You can't deny that. Even if, you know, even if we never talk again after tonight, please know that I am forever changed because of who you are and what you've meant to me, which—while I do appreciate it—I'd never need a painting of birds bought at a diner to remind me of.

Alyssa Jones

 * [on the phone with Holden after she paged him] One minute and five seconds; you are such my bitch.
 * Since most of these people are cheering for the home team, I'm going to root for the visitors. I'm a big visitors fan. Especially the kind that make coffee in the morning before they leave!
 * I love you, I always will. Know that. [slaps Holden] But I'm not your fucking whore.

Hooper X

 * [pointing at Holden] See that man over there? He the Devil! Never take your eye off the man.
 * Honey, don't give me that "all for one" shit. I got to deal with being a minority in a minority of a minority, ain't nobody supportin' my ass.
 * All the boys need to feel like they're Marco Fucking Polo when it comes to sex.
 * Archie was the bitch and Jughead was the butch. That's why he was always going around wearing that crown-looking hat…he was the king of queen Archie's world.

Jay

 * You gotta boil it down to the essentials. It's like Cube says, "Life ain't nothin' but bitches and money."
 * [to Holden] Bitch tasted life, yo, now she's settlin' for your boring, funny-book-makin' ass.

Dialogue

 * Fan: [about Bluntman and Chronic] I love these guys! You know what? they're like Bill and Ted meet... Cheech and Chong!
 * Holden: Yeah... I kinda like to think of them as Rosencrantz and Guildenstern meet Vladimir and Estragon.
 * Fan: Yes! [pause] Who?

 * Collector: So, you draw this comic, or what?
 * Banky: [sighs] I ink it. I'm also the colorist. The guy next to me draws it, but we both came up with the characters. Next.
 * Collector: What's that mean, you "ink" it?
 * Banky: Well, it means that Holden draws the pictures in pencil, and then he gives it to me to go over in ink. Next!
 * Collector: So, basically, you just trace.
 * Banky: [annoyed] It's not "tracing", alright? I add depth and shading to give the image more definition. Only then does the drawing truly take shape.
 * Collector: No, no. You go over what he draws with a pen. That's tracing.
 * Banky: [getting angry] Not really. Next!
 * [The Collector turns to the kid next in line]
 * Collector: Hey, lemme ask you something. If somebody draws something, and you draw, like, right on top of it without going outside the original designated art, what do you call that?
 * Little Kid: I dunno, man...tracing?
 * Collector: [triumphantly] See?
 * Banky: You want your book signed or what?
 * Collector: Hey, hey! Don't get snippy with him just because you've got a problem with your station in life!
 * Banky: Oh, I'm secure with what I do.
 * Collector: Then just say it — you're a tracer!
 * Banky: [about to lose it] Who should I sign it to?
 * Little Kid: I don't want you to sign it. I want the guy who draws Bluntman and Chronic to sign it. [snatches the comic away] You're just a tracer.
 * Collector: Tell him, little shaver.
 * [Banky attacks him until Holden pulls him away. The Collector is escorted out by security]
 * Collector: You're mucking with a "G", you fucking tracer!
 * Banky: I'LL TRACE A CHALK OUTLINE AROUND YOUR DEAD BODY, YOU FUCK!
 * Holden: Could you get him out of here?
 * [security drags the collector out]
 * Collector: Hey! He shoved me! You fucking tracer!
 * Banky: YOUR MOTHER'S A TRACER!

 * Hooper: For years in this industry, whenever an African American character, hero or villain, was introduced - usually by white artists and writers - they got slapped with racist names that singled them out as Negroes. Now, my book, "White-Hating Coon," don't have none of that bullshit. The hero's name is Maleekwa, and he's descended from the black tribe that established the first society on the planet, while all you European motherfuckers were hiding out in caves and shit, all terrified of the sun. He's a strong role model that a young black reader can look up to. Cause I'm here to tell you, the chickens is coming home to roost, y'all. The black man's no longer gonna play the minstrel in the realm of comics and sci-fi fantasy. We keepin' it real, and we gonna get respect by any means necessary.
 * Holden: Ah, come on, that's a bunch of horse shit! Lando Calrissian was a black guy. You know, and he got to fly the Millennium Falcon, what's the matter with you?
 * Hooper: Who said that?
 * Holden: I did! Lando Calrissian is a strong role-model in the realm of science fiction/fantasy.
 * Hooper: Fuck Lando Calrissian! Uncle-Tom nigger! Some white boy's always gotta bring up the "Holy Trilogy". But those movies is all about how the white man keeps the brotha man down, even in a galaxy far far away. Check this shit. You got cracker farm boy, Luke Skywalker, Nazi poster boy, blond hair, blue eyes. And then you got Darth Vader, the blackest brother in the galaxy, Nubian god!
 * Banky: What's a "Nubian"?
 * Hooper: Shut the fuck up! Now, Vader, he's a spiritual brother, down with the Force and all that good shit. Then this cracker, Skywalker, gets his hands on a lightsaber and the boy decides he's gonna run the fucking universe; gets a whole clan of whites together and they go and bust up Vader's hood, the Death Star. Now, what the fuck do you call that?
 * Banky: Intergalactic Civil War?
 * Hooper: Gentrification! They gon' drive out the black element to make the galaxy quote, unquote, "safe for white folks." And Jedi is the most insulting installment! Because Vader's beautiful black visage is sullied when he pulls off his mask to reveal a feeble, crusty, old white man! They tryin' to tell us that deep inside we all wants to be white!
 * Banky: Well isn't that true? [Hooper pulls out a gun and shoots Banky]

 * Holden: How do you manage to get away with this all the time? I mean, shouldn't the cops be busting your head open right about now?
 * Banky: Wrong coast.

 * Hooper: I need to sell the image to sell the book. I mean, would the audience still buy the whole black rage angle if they found out the book was written by a... you know...
 * Banky: Faggot?
 * Hooper: When you say it, it sounds so sexy. [kisses Banky, who pushes him off]
 * Banky: Hey, hey, hey! I'll be your victim, but I won't be your catcher!

 * Holden: Sorry about him, he's, uh, he's dealing with being an inker.
 * Alyssa: [sympathetically, to Banky] Aww... you trace.

 * Alyssa: [About Banky's argument with his grade school religion teacher] How bad could it have been?
 * Holden: Put it this way: have you ever heard a nun call an eight year-old boy a fucking cunt rag?

 * Holden: So, uh, what do you wanna do tonight?
 * Banky: I dunno. Get a pizza, watch Degrassi Jr. High.
 * Holden: You got a weird thing for Canadian melodrama.
 * Banky: I got a weird thing for girls who say, "Aboot".

 * Banky: I just have to get something.
 * [pulls out a huge stack of porno books]
 * Holden: Oh my God. Who are you, Larry fucking Flynt? What are you going to do with all of those?
 * Banky: Read the articles. What do you think I'm going to do with them? They're stroke books, stupid!
 * Holden: You've got like thirty books there! We're only going to be gone for two days!
 * Banky: Variety's the spice of life. I like a wide selection. Sometimes I'm in the mood for nasty close-ups, sometimes I like them arty and air-brushed. Sometimes it's a spread brown-eye kind of night, sometimes it's girl-on-girl time. Sometimes a steamy letter will do it, sometimes—not often, but sometimes—I like the idea of a chick with a horse.

 * Holden: [trading stories of growing up in New Jersey] Oh no, here's the big test. The Quick Stop
 * Alyssa: My best friend fucked a dead guy in the bathroom
 * Holden: You know that girl?
 * Alyssa: I did, before she was committed.

 * Alyssa: Let me ask you something. Can men fuck each other?
 * Banky: What, are you asking for my permission?
 * Alyssa: In your estimation.
 * Banky: Yeah, sure.
 * Alyssa: So for you, to fuck means to penetrate. You're used to the more traditional definition. You, inside some girl you duped, jackhammering away, not noticing the bored look in her eyes.
 * Banky: Hey, I always notice the bored look in their eyes!

 * Alyssa: Fuck you.
 * Banky: Not even if you let me video tape it.

 * Alyssa: So, you've never been curious about men?
 * Holden: Curious about men? Well, I always wondered why my father watched Hee Haw.

 * Banky: Alright, now see this? This is a four-way road, okay? And dead in the center is a crisp, new, $100 bill. Now, at the end of each of these streets are four people, okay? Are you following?
 * Holden: Yeah.
 * Banky: Good. Over here, we have a male-affectionate, easy to get along with, non-political agenda lesbian. Down here, we have a man-hating, angry as fuck, agenda of rage, bitter dyke. Over here, we got Santa Claus, and up here the Easter Bunny. Which one is going to get to the $100 bill first?
 * Holden: What is this supposed to prove?
 * Banky: No, I'm serious. This is a serious exercise. It's like an SAT question. Which one is going to get to the $100 bill first? The male-friendly lesbian, the man-hating dyke, Santa Claus, or the Easter bunny?
 * Holden: The man-hating dyke.
 * Banky: Good. Why?
 * Holden: I don't know.
 * Banky: [shouting] Because the other three are FIGMENTS of your FUCKING IMAGINATION!

 * Alyssa: Are you an authorized dealmaker in this establishment? Do you have the power to negotiate?
 * Waitress: You wanna haggle over the price of your french dip?

 * [Holden has just told Alyssa that he loves her. Alyssa has left the car and has begun to hitchhike]
 * Holden: What are you doing?
 * Alyssa: Get back in the car and get out of here.
 * Holden: What, are you going to hitch to New York?
 * Alyssa: Yeah!
 * Holden: Well, aren't you at least going to comment?
 * Alyssa: Here's my comment: fuck you!
 * Holden: Why?
 * Alyssa: That was so unfair. You know how unfair that was!
 * Holden: What, it's unfair that I'm in love with you?
 * Alyssa: No, it's unfortunate that you're in love with me. It's unfair that you felt the fucking need to unburden your soul about it! Do you remember for one fucking second who I am?!
 * Holden: So? I mean, you know, people change.
 * Alyssa: Oh, it's that simple? You fall in love with me and want a romantic relationship, nothing changes for you! With the exception of feeling hunky-dory all the time, but what about me, Holden?! It's not that simple! I just can't get into a relationship with you without throwing my whole fucking world into upheaval!
 * Holden: Alyssa, that's every relationship! There's always going to be a period of adjustment.
 * Alyssa: [She pauses, looking at him with disdain] "Period of adjustment"? [She hits him] THERE'S NO PERIOD OF ADJUSTMENT, HOLDEN! I AM FUCKING GAY! THAT'S WHO I AM! AND YOU ASSUME THAT I CAN JUST TURN THAT AROUND JUST BECAUSE YOU'VE GOT A FUCKING CRUSH?!
 * Holden: If this is a crush, I don't think I could take it if the real thing ever happened.
 * Alyssa: [She shakes her head ruefully] Go home, Holden.

 * Alyssa: You know, I didn't just heed what I was taught, men and women should be together, it's the natural way, that kind of thing. I'm not with you because of what family, society, life tried to instill in me from day one. The way the world is, how seldom it is that you meet that one person who just gets you - it's so rare. My parents didn't really have it. There were no examples set for me in the world of male-female relationships. And to cut oneself off from finding that person, to immediately halve your options by eliminating the possibility of finding that one person within your own gender, that just seemed stupid to me. So I didn't. But then you came along. You, the one least likely. I mean, you were a guy.
 * Holden: Still am.
 * Alyssa: And while I was falling for you I put a ceiling on that, because you were a guy. Until I remembered why I opened the door to women in the first place: to not limit the likelihood of finding that one person who'd complement me so completely. So here we are. I was thorough when I looked for you. And I feel justified lying in your arms, 'cause I got here on my own terms, and I have no question there was some place I didn't look. And for me that makes all the difference.
 * Holden: [pause] Well, can I at least tell people all you needed was some serious deep dicking?

 * [Holden has just found out that Alyssa has a sexually adventurous past with other men]
 * Holden: They used you!
 * Alyssa: No! I used them! You don't think I would've let it happen if I hadn't wanted to? Do you? I was an experimental girl for Christ's sake! Maybe you knew from early on your track was from point A to B, but unlike you I was not given a fucking map at birth, so I tried it all! That is until we, you and I, got together and suddenly I was sated!

 * Jay: So why the long face, Horse? Banky on the rag?
 * Holden: I'm just, ahh... just havin' a little girl trouble.
 * Jay: Bitch pressin' charges? I get that a lot.

 * Silent Bob: [to Holden, who has just revealed his trouble with Alyssa] You're Chasing Amy.
 * Holden: What? What did you say?
 * Silent Bob: You're Chasing Amy.
 * Jay: What do you look so shocked for, man, fat bastard does this all the time. He thinks just cause he doesn't say anything, it'll have some impact when he does open his fuckin' mouth...
 * Silent Bob: [to Jay] Jesus Christ, why don't you shut up? You're always yap-yap-yappin' all the time, you're givin' me a fuckin' headache. [to Holden] I went through something like what you're talkin' 'bout, 'couple years ago, this chick named Amy.
 * Jay: When?
 * Silent Bob: [annoyed] A couple of years ago?
 * Jay: What'd she live in Canada or something? Why don't I remember this?
 * Silent Bob: Bitch, what you don't know about me I could just about squeeze in the Grand fucking Canyon. Did you know I always wanted to be a dancer in Vegas? [does a quick dance hands gesture] Bet you didn't even know that shit, did you?
 * Jay: [bored] Just tell your fuckin' story so we can get out of here and smoke this.
 * Silent Bob: [to Holden] So there's me an' Amy, and we're all inseparable, right? Just big time in love. And then about four months down the road, the idiot gear kicks in, and I ask about the ex-boyfriend, which, as we all know, is a really dumb move, but you know how it is - you don't really want to know, but you just have to know, right? Stupid guy bullshit. Anyway she starts telling me all about him - how they fell in love, and how they went out for a couple of years, how they lived together, her mother likes me better, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah - and I'm okay. But then she drops the bomb on me, and the bomb is this: it seems that a couple of times, while they were going out, he'd brought some people to bed with them - ménage a trois, I believe it's called. Now this just blows my mind, right? I mean, I am not used to that sort of thing. I was raised Catholic, for God's sakes.
 * Jay: Saint Shithead.
 * [Silent Bob elbows him. Jay raises his fist as if to strike]
 * Silent Bob: [to Jay] Do something. [to Holden] So I'm totally weirded out by this right? And I just start blasting her - like I don't know how to deal with what I'm feeling, so I figure the best way is by calling her "slut", and tell her she was used - I mean, I'm out for blood. I really want to hurt this girl. And I'm like "What the fuck is your problem?" and she's just all calmly trying to tell me, like, it was that time, it was that place, and she doesn't think she should apologize because she doesn't feel that she's done anything wrong. And I'm like, "Oh, really?" That's when I look her straight in the eye and tell her it's over. I walk.
 * Jay: Fuckin' A.
 * Silent Bob: No, idiot. It was a mistake. I wasn't disgusted with her, I was afraid. At that moment, I felt small - like...like I'd lacked experience, like I'd never be on her level, like I'd never be enough for her or something like that, you know what I'm sayin'? But what I did not get - she didn't care. She wasn't looking for that guy anymore. She was...she was looking for me, for - for the Bob. But, uh, by the time I figured this all out, it was too late, you know. She'd moved on, and all I had to show for it was some foolish pride, which then gave way to regret. She was the girl, I know that now. But I pushed her away. So I've spent every day since then chasing Amy...so to speak.

 * Jay: What's that shit he's got us saying?
 * Silent Bob: Oh, umm..."Snootchie Bootchies."
 * Jay: Snootchie Bootchies. Who the fuck talks like that? That is fucking baby talk.

 * Alyssa: [about Holden's new comic, "Chasing Amy"] Looks like a very personal story.
 * Holden: I finally had something personal to say.

Taglines

 * It's not who you love. It's how.
 * Sex is easy. Love is hard.
 * Finally, a comedy that tells it like it feels.

Cast

 * Ben Affleck - Holden McNeil
 * Joey Lauren Adams - Alyssa Jones
 * Jason Lee - Banky Edwards
 * Dwight Ewell - Hooper X
 * Jason Mewes - Jay
 * Kevin Smith - Silent Bob
 * Casey Affleck - Little Kid
 * Guinevere Turner - Singer
 * Carmen Lee - Kim
 * Brian O'Halloran - Jim Hicks - Executive #1
 * Matt Damon - Shawn Oran - Executive #2
 * Ethan Suplee - Fan
 * Scott Mosier - Collector

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Hi there. My profile is over on Wikipedia.

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MediaWiki talk:Uploaddisabled

I suggest the page will link to Commons. Here is my suggestion:

Wikiquote does not allow image upload. However, you can use images uploaded to Commons in Wikiquote. If you want to use pictures which are not in commons, you can upload them if they comply with their guidelines (though you will need to create an account there). Specifically, if you want to put pictures of yourself on your user page, upload them there (see the specific personal picture guidelines). To use an image from commons, just use " ".

~ MosheZadka (Talk) 20:31, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Here's a variation on your text above:
 * Wikiquote does not allow image upload. However, you can use images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons in Wikiquote. The standard image inclusion syntax,  Image:Image name.ext, will automatically display a Commons image with the specified name. If you want to use pictures which are not in Commons, you can upload them if they comply with the Commons inclusion guidelines, though you will need to create an account there. In addition to images for quote articles, you can upload images for your user pages (like a picture of yourself) if they follow the Commons personal picture guidelines.
 * I also think it might be useful to specify "thumb" and a default pixel width, for folks who might copy the example text above to paste into articles. Regardless of how it's phrased, I support this kind of update to MediaWiki:Uploaddisabled. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:12, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks! Here's a third variation, based on your text with the addition of a "thumb" argument:
 * Wikiquote does not allow image upload. However, you can use images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons in Wikiquote. The standard image inclusion syntax,  Image:Image name.ext, will automatically display a Commons image with the specified name. If you want to use pictures which are not in Commons, you can upload them if they comply with the Commons inclusion guidelines, though you will need to create an account there. In addition to images for quote articles, you can upload images for your user pages (like a picture of yourself) if they follow the Commons personal picture guidelines. Note that usually, to include an image, you will often want to use the following syntax:  thumb|Caption or description.
 * The default "thumb" works pretty well, so I think burdening that with pixel sizes is an overkill.
 * If there are no objections, I plan to add this text to the page within a week. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 09:53, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

 * I like your revised revision better, although I would replace the spaces in the "Caption or description" text with &nbsp; characters to prevent a line break in the middle of the recommended sample text. (They shouldn't affect the pasted result when copied from the displayed (rather than edited) text.) Otherwise, go for it. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Final variation, will be instated soon barring objections. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 07:13, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Wikiquote does not allow image upload. However, you can use images uploaded to Wikimedia Commons in Wikiquote. The standard image inclusion syntax,  , will automatically display a Commons image with the specified name. If you want to use pictures which are not in Commons, you can upload them if they comply with the Commons inclusion guidelines, though you will need to create an account there. In addition to images for quote articles, you can upload images for your user pages (like a picture of yourself) if they follow the Commons personal picture guidelines. Note that usually, to include an image, you will often want to use the following syntax:  .

 * Done. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 07:17, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

This is broken
This is broken, as can easily be seen at Special:Upload. You should leave only "Uploads are disabled on Wikiquote" (or somesuch) here and move the detailed explanation with links to MediaWiki:Uploaddisabledtext. --Mormegil 16:06, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks to you, Mormegil, and to Aphaia for calling attention to this eyesore. Neither I nor MosheZadka apparently realized that this is the title, not the content, of the warning message. I've copied the content agreed upon above to MediaWiki:Uploaddisabledtext and restored the default "disabled" MediaWiki message. However, we seem to have re-routed our upload page to Wikimedia Commons' upload page, so I'm not sure if these two pages are even used anymore. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:38, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

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Kathy Acker

Kathy Acker (18 April 1947 – 30 November 1997), born Karen Alexander, was an American experimental writer widely known for her controversial works that feature extreme violence, sexuality, and fetishism.

Quotes

 * In the total devastation of the heart which is the world, the lands-lords rule. There is no way we can defeat the landslords. But under their reins and their watchful eyes. I sail as the winds of lusts and emotions bare me. Everywhere and anywhere. I who will never own, whatever and whenever I want, I take.
 * Don Quixote, 1986. As quoted in Tactical Readings: Feminist Postmodernism in the Novels of Kathy Acker and Angela Carter, p. 91, by Nicola Pitchford. Editor Bucknell University Press, 2002. ISBN 0838754872.
 * It's all up to you, girls. You have to be strong. These are the days of post-women's liberation. You have grown up by now and you have to take care of yourself. No one's going to help you.
 * Blood and Guts in High School. Editor Penguin UK, 2017. ISBN 0241302528.

 * Even a woman who has the soul of a pirate, at least pirate morals, even a woman who prefer loneliness to the bickerings and constraints of heterosexual marriage, even such a woman who is a freak in our society needs a home. Even freaks needs homes, countries, language, communication. The only characteristic freaks share is our knowledge that we don't fit in. Anywhere. Is it for you, freaks, my loves, I am writing and it is about you.
 * Don Quixote (1986)

 * The German Romantics had to destroy the same bastions we do. Logocentrism and idealism, theology, all supports of the repressive society. Property's pillars. Reason which always homogenizes and reduces, represses and unifies phenomena or actuality into what can be perceived and so controlled. The subjects, us, are now stable and socializable. Reason is always in the service of the political and economic masters. It is here that literature strikes, at this base, where the concepts and actings of order impose themselves. Literature is that which denounces and slashes apart the repressing machine at the level of the signified.
 * Empire of the Senseless (1988), Elegy for the World of the Fathers, Part I, Rape by the Father, p. 12

 * You create identity, you're not given identity per se. What became more interesting to me wasn't the I, it was text because it's texts that create the identity. That's how I got interested in plagiarism.
 * Hannibal Lecter, My Father (1991)

 * At a certain point I realized that the "I" doesn't exist. So I said to myself: If the "I" doesn't exist, I have to construct one, or maybe even more than one.
 * Interview with Sylvere Lothringer (1991)

 * My nutritionist read my pathology report and said, "There's only one way you can beat your cancer." "What's that?" "You have to find out what caused it."
 * The Gift of Disease (1996)

 * I had been confused why I had gotten cancer. Three weeks later, I saw the network of causation so clearly I wondered why I wasn't more disease-riddled. My healer reminded me that if health is based on forgiveness, then I had to forgive ...
 * The Gift of Disease (1996)

 * Every book, remember, is dead until a reader activates it by reading. Every time that you read you are walking among the dead, and, if you are listening, you just might hear prophecies. Aeneas did. Odysseus did. Listen to Delany, a prophet.
 * "On Delany the Magician", a foreword to Trouble on Triton (1996) by Samuel R. Delany, and reprinted in Acker's collection Bodies of Work (1996)

 * We come crawling through these cracks, orphans, lobotomies; if you ask me what I want, I'll tell you. I want everything. Whole rotten world come down and break. Let me spread my legs.
 * Pussy, King of the Pirates (1996)

 * We don't have a clue what it is to be male or female, or if there are intermediate genders. Male and female might be fields which overlap into androgyny or different kinds of sexual desires. But because we live in a Western, patriarchal world, we have very little chance of exploring these gender possibilities.
 * As quoted in "Eve Experts" at Real World Multimedia (2004)

 * "Why are they ashamed and miserable?" "They're repenting they're white. Any thinking human does it. Don't you read your own history books? So if you attack those miserable moderns or modernist, knight, you'll be making a miserable historical mistake. You will be preventing whites from hating their own whiteness." Don Quixote finally refused the dogs' attack on her attack: "Liberalism has never stopped me from doing anything", said the knight.
 * Don Quixote (1986)

 * Women need to become literary "criminals", break the literary laws and reinvent their own, because the established laws prevent women from presenting the reality of their lives.
 * Bodies of Work (1996)

Kathy Acker: Where does she get off?

 * "Kathy Acker: Where does she get off?", interview by R.U. Sirius in io # 2 (9 December 1997)

 * The students who come to my class are very closely related to all the evil girls who are very interested in their bodies and sex and pleasure. I learn a lot from them about how to have pleasure and how cool the female body is. One of my students had a piercing through her labia. And she told me about how when you ride on a motorcycle, the little bead on the ring acts like a vibrator. Her story turned me on so I did it. I got two. It was very cool. '''I'm very staid compared to my students, actually. I come from a generation where you've got the PC dykes and confused heterosexuals. No one ever told me that you could walk around with a strap-on, having orgasms.

 Writing for me is about my freedom. When I was a kid, my parents were like monsters to me, and the world extended from them. They were horrible. And I was this good little girl — I didn't have the guts to oppose them. They told me what to do and how to be. So the only time I could have any freedom or joy was when I was alone in my room. '''Writing is what I did when I was alone with no one watching me or telling me what to do. I could do whatever I wanted. So writing was really associated with body pleasure — it was the same thing. It was like the only thing I had.'''
 * I think writing is basically about time and rhythm. Like with jazz. You have your basic melody and then you just riff off of it. And the riffs are about timing. And about sex.

RUS: In that state, you lose your individual identity — and therefore your childhood. But the rolfer is trying to drag you back into accepting your singular identity. KA: Yeah. '''He's telling me, "Your agenda is ..." and I'm saying, "My agenda? I don't have an agenda and I'm not sure who I am. Who am I?" ''' He keeps on saying, "You know what you want." And I say, "I don't know what I want." RUS: If he succeeds in dragging you into a singular "I," that's the death of Kathy Acker the writer. KA: Yeah, it sure is. But I don't think he'll succeed. He doesn't have a fuckin' chance. I'm just trying to fuck him. If he won't fuck, we're not going anywhere. He can't make me into this singular "I." I told him, "You gotta consider the pleasure principle — namely my pleasure." He didn't like that. RUS: I always say, divide the word "therapist" between the "e" and the "r." KA: Yeah. The rapist. Because they're taking all your childhood wonderment and reducing it to childhood trauma. He gives me these long lectures about how he's not enlightened and he wants to be an animal. Can you imagine long lectures about wanting to be an animal? What a fuckin' bozo! RUS: When I was in college, all of the poetry teachers worshipped Robert Bly, so I had my fill of that shit. KA: I told him about my piercings and he said, "Oh, you're a wild woman." Then I asked him if he wanted to see my piercings. He wouldn't do it.
 * KA: I've been going to this rolfer. I don't know why I'm doing it. It's like: "You will get rid of all your childhood traumas if you only go through this pain." Fuck childhood. People always say you do all these things because of your childhood. I'm sorry, but what really gets me off is the idea that you can just travel, and traveling is just like having an endless orgasm. You just go and go and go.

Basically we grew up not wanting to know that we had bodies.''' And it's not as if these piercings are in that deep — it's just on the surface. So if that little thing can do so much, who knows what else we can experience?
 * A friend told me that there are these clean and sober dykes that have piercings every couple months just to get high. It's about learning about my body. I didn't know my body could do this. It's not exactly pleasure. '''It's more like vision. I didn't know the body is such a visionary factory.

We don't know what humans are like. And the ground is not economics; it's not like people do everything they do for economic reasons. You've got to look at the imagination; you've got to look at sex. We have no way of describing these things using the language we have. So a group was formed around Bataille to try to figure out what it means to be human — what society should look like. Humans have to live in a society — they can't just survive as individuals. That's not a viable condition. You know, everyone's always talking about trauma and pain and how this society isn't working, that we shouldn't have racism and sexism, but we never talk in positive terms — like what would joy be, what it would be like to have a totally great existence. Bataille and his followers looked for models for people to have totally great existences. … Well, they looked at tribal models and how they dealt with sexual stuff and sacrifice and property — the joys that aren't based on economic accumulation and the workaday world, but based on giving it all up — not having that specific, controlling, imprisoning "I." He wasn't a Freudian. He was much more interested in the tribal model where everything is on the surface and you deal with sexual stuff the same way you deal with economic stuff and social stuff.
 * Bataille is associated with the surrealists. Basically the idea is that democracy doesn't work. Communism doesn't work. All these fucking models aren't working. We've got to find some new models — a model of what society should look like.

 * I'm starting to worry about self-censorship — that I might be internalizing some shit. I might be writing what people expect me to write, writing from that place where I might be ruled by economic considerations. To overcome that, I started working with my dreams, because I'm not so censored when I use dream material. And I'm working at trying to find a kind of language where I won't be so easily modulated by expectation. I'm looking for what might be called a body language. One thing I do is stick a vibrator up my cunt and start writing — writing from the point of orgasm and losing control of the language and seeing what that's like.

Blood and Guts in High School (1978)

 * For 2.000 years, you've had the nerve to tell women who we are. We use your words; we eat your food. Every way we get money has to be a crime. We are plagiarists, liars and criminals.
 * I am as closed-up and fucked-up as everybody else. I am hell. The world is hell. "No, it isn't", I scream, but I know it is. Hell. Hell. Hell. Hell. Help. Help me. Help me. Love me.
 * Teach me how to talk to you. WANT. Is my wanting you so bad, wanting your cock so bad, wanting the feel of your lips on my lips just me being selfish and egoistic? Teach me a new language.
 * Love goes away when your mind goes away and then you're someone else.
 * Heart disease syphilis pregnancy

All you creeps on the street get away from me

 * IF THERE IS A GOD, GOD IS DISJUNCTION AND MADNESS.
 * All the people around Hester hate her and despise her and think she's a total freak. The kid's beyond human law and human consideration. How do you feel about yourself when every human being you hear and see and smell every day of your being thinks you're worse than garbage? Your conception of who you are has always, at least partially, depended on how the people around you behaved towards you... You don't know. How can you know anything? How can you know anything? You begin to go crazy.
 * Every day a sharp tool, a powerful destroyer, is necessary to cut away dullness, lobotomy, buzzing, belief in human beings, stagnancy, images, and accumulation. As soon as we stop believing in human beings, rather know we are dogs and trees, we'll start to be happy.
 * Let me put it another way. Most people are what they sense and if all you see day after day is a mat on a floor that belongs to the rats and four walls with tiny piles of plaster at the bottom, and all you eat is starch, and all you hear is continuous music, you smell garbage and piss which drips through the walls continually, and all the people you know live like you, it's not horrible, it's just... Who they are.

Quotes about Acker

 * Acker gives her work the power to mirror the reader's soul.
 * William S. Burroughs

I immediately e-mailed the UK and said, “She’s dying in a hospital in Mexico,” and a mutual friend of mine and Charlie’s, a guy named Igor, said, “She’s not dying, she’s just got flu, I checked around. She’s in San Francisco with flu, she’s just being a drama queen.” So I wrote back to the guy who said she’s dying and said I’m told she’s the flu in San Francisco, and they wrote back, “She’s really dying.” I phoned her in the hospital in Mexico. We chatted a while. She was very weak. It was good. This week has been a particularly rough one on me because my friend John M. Ford the writer died completely unexpectedly. And it’s everybody who knew him and loved him is completely devastated, and one reason we’re devastated is he was sending us e-mails the day before and his heart went or his kidneys went in the night and he was gone. With Kathy I never had that. I’ve always missed her, but I got to phone up and say good-bye. That was good. That sort of somehow made it copable. '''Then she was gone, and she died in room 101. As Alan Moore said, “There’s nothing that woman can’t turn into a literary reference.” '''
 * I got an e-mail from somebody one day saying, “I understand you’re a friend of Kathy Acker’s. She’s currently dying in a hospital in Mexico.”
 * Neil Gaiman, in "An Interview With Neil Gaiman" in Bookslut (October 2001)

 * She calls herself Acker. And Acker is this person I hang with sometimes. What's cool is that we can talk about anything and nobody gets uptight (though she does decide that I'm a sexist pig sometimes). Some have called her the next generation's Burroughs.
 * R.U. Sirius, in "Kathy Acker: Where does she get off?" io # 2 (9 December 1997)

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