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Pope Pius XII

Pope Pius XII (born Eugenio Maria Giuseppe Giovanni Pacelli; 2 March 1876 - 9 October 1958) was head of the Catholic Church and sovereign of the Vatican City State from 2 March 1939, until his death in 1958. Before his election to the papacy, he served as secretary of the Department of Extraordinary Ecclesiastical Affairs, papal nuncio to Germany, and Cardinal Secretary of State, in which capacity he worked to conclude treaties with European and Latin American nations, such as the Reichskonkordat with Nazi Germany.

While the Vatican was officially neutral during World War II, the Reichskonkordat and his leadership of the Catholic Church during the war remain the subject of controversy—including allegations of public silence and inaction about the fate of the Jews. Pius employed diplomacy to aid the victims of the Nazis during the war and, through directing the Church to provide discreet aid to Jews and others, saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Pius maintained links to the German Resistance, and shared intelligence with the Allies. His strongest public condemnation of genocide was, however, considered inadequate by the Allied Powers, while the Nazis viewed him as an Allied sympathizer who had dishonoured his policy of Vatican neutrality.

During his papacy, the Church issued the Decree against Communism, declaring that Catholics who profess Communist doctrine are to be excommunicated as apostates from the Christian faith. The Church experienced severe persecution and mass deportations of Catholic clergy in the Eastern Bloc.

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 * All men are brothered in Jesus Christ.
 * Statement (27 May 1946), as quoted in America, Vol. 100 (1958) by America Press, p. 121

 * Perhaps the greatest sin in the world today is that men have begun to lose the sense of sin.
 * Radio Message of His Holiness Pius XII to Participants in the National Catechetical Congress of the United States in Boston, from Castel Gandolfo on Saturday, 26 October 1946

 * God did not create a human family made up of segregated, dissociated, mutually independent members. No; he would have them all united by the bond of total love of Him and consequent self-dedication to assisting each other to maintain that bond intact.
 * Statement (7 September 1956), as quoted in America, Vol. 100 (1958) by America Press, p. 121

 * True science discovers God in an ever-increasing degree — as though God were waiting behind every door opened by science.
 * address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, 22 November 1951
 * quoted in Time, 3 December 1951
 * quoted by Dan Brown, Angels and Demons, page 44

 * Besides, every human being, even the child in the womb, has the right to life directly from God and not from his parents, not from any society or human authority. Therefore, there is no man, no human authority, no science, no "indication" at all—whether it be medical, eugenic, social, economic, or moral—that may offer or give a valid judicial title for a direct deliberate disposal of an innocent human life, that is, a disposal which aims at its destruction, whether as an end in itself or as a means to achieve the end, perhaps in no way at all illicit. Thus, for example, to save the life of the mother is a very noble act; but the direct killing of the child as a means to such an end is illicit. The direct destruction of so-called "useless lives," already born or still in the womb, practiced extensively a few years ago, can in no wise be justified. Therefore, when this practice was initiated, the Church expressly declared that it was against the natural law and the divine positive law, and consequently that it was unlawful to kill, even by order of the public authorities, those who were innocent, even if on account of some physical or mental defect, they were useless to the State and a burden upon it. The life of an innocent person is sacrosanct, and any direct attempt or aggression against it is a violation of one of the fundamental laws without which secure human society is impossible. We have no need to teach you in detail the meaning and the gravity, in your profession, of this fundamental law. But never forget this: there rises above every human law and above every "indication" the faultless law of God.
 * Allocution to Midwives on the Nature of Their Profession, October 29, 1951.

 * Caution must be used when there is rather question of hypotheses, having some sort of scientific foundation, in which the doctrine contained in Sacred Scripture or in Tradition is involved. If such conjectural opinions are directly or indirectly opposed to the doctrine revealed by God, then the demand that they be recognized can in no way be admitted.
 * Humani Generis §35

Quotes about Pius XII

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 * In Rome, the Pope again deplored the bombing of civilian populations, but he was naïve- civilians are military objectives in our time.
 * Alvah Bessie, Men in Battle: A Story of Americans in Spain (1939), p. 173

 * Yet, if the Roman Catholic Church pursues its plans to canonize Pope Pius XII, it will be more damaging to its reputation than another huge explosion of pedophile priest scandals. For even child molestation – evil and sinister as it is – remains a step below complicity in the extermination of millions of people and ordering mass kidnapping, two great sins among many by which Pius XII disgraced himself.
 * Schmuley Boteach, Orthodox Rabbi and US media personality (2004)

 * The Church and the papacy have saved Jews as much and in as far as they could save Christians.... Six million of my co-religionists have been murdered by the Nazis, but there could have been many more victims, had it not been for the efficacious intervention of Pius XII.
 * Dr. Raffaele Cantoni, director of the Italian Jewish Assistance Committee, American Jewish Yearbook 1944-1945, 233.

 * With an unequalled cynicism the Vatican "suada" (art or way of persuasion) refers to a few Catholics who took a firm stand against the fascistic atrocities -- and omits the fact that the Pope and his bishops did not support these courageous priests at all.
 * Emil Carlebach, Jewish communist and survivor of Buchenwald

 * Have you seen a photo of Pius XII? In a James Bond movie, he'd have been the head of SPECTRE.
 * Umberto Eco, Numero Zero (2015)

 * The people of Israel will never forget what His Holiness and his illustrious delegates, inspired by the eternal principles of religion, which form the very foundation of true civilization, are doing for our unfortunate brothers and sisters in the most tragic hour of our history, which is living proof of Divine Providence in this world.
 * Rabbi Isaac Herzog, chief rabbi of the British Mandate of Palestine, March 1945.

 * The repeated interventions of the Holy Father on behalf of Jewish Communities in Europe has evoked the profoundest sentiments of appreciation and gratitude from Jews throughout the world.
 * Rabbi Maurice Perlzweig, Political director of the World Jewish Congress. Written February 18 1944 in a letter to Msgr. Amleto Cicognani, the apostolic delegate in Washington, D.C.

 * In the most difficult hours of which we Jews of Romania have passed through, the generous assistance of the Holy See…was decisive and salutary. It is not easy for us to find the right words to express the warmth and consolation we experienced because of the concern of the supreme pontiff, who offered a large sum to relieve the sufferings of deported Jews…. The Jews of Romania will never forget these facts of historic importance.
 * Rabbi Alexander Safran, chief rabbi of Romania note to Monsignor Andrea Cassulo, Papal Nuncio to Romania, April 7 1944

 * Those of us who were foreign correspondents in Berlin during the days of the Weimar Republic were not unfamiliar with the figure of the dean of the diplomatic corps. Tall, slender, with magnificent eyes, strong features and expressive hands, in his appearance and bearing Archbishop Pacelli looked every inch what he was - a Roman nobleman, of the proudest blood of the western world. In knowledge of German and European affairs and in diplomatic astuteness the Nuncio was without an equal.
 * —Dorothy Thomas, American newspaper writer and radio commentator

 * More than anyone else, we have had the opportunity to appreciate the great kindness, filled with compassion and magnanimity, that the Pope displayed during the terrible years of persecution and terror when it seemed that for us there was no longer an escape.
 * Elio Toaff, Chief Rabbi of Rome, 1951.

 * We share in the grief of humanity at the passing away of His Holiness Pope Pius XII. In a generation affected by wars and discords, he upheld the highest ideals of peace and compassion. When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for the victims. The life of our times was enriched by a voice speaking out on the great moral truths above the tumult of daily conflict. We mourn a great servant of peace.
 * Golda Meir, Israeli Prime Minister, message of condolence to the Vatican, sent 1958.

 * If the pope had spoken out, Hitler would probably have massacred more than six million Jews and perhaps ten times ten million Catholics, if he had the power to do so.
 * Rabbi Marcus Melchior, Holocaust survivor and Chief Rabbi of Denmark, 1950.

 * With special gratitude we remember all he has done for the persecuted Jews during one of the darkest periods in their entire history.
 * Nahum Goldmann, president of the World Jewish Congress, message of condolence to the Vatican, sent 1958.

 * In relation to the insane behavior of the Nazis, from overlords to self-styled cogs like Eichmann, he [Pius XII] did everything humanly possible to save lives and alleviate suffering among the Jews; that a formal statement would have provoked the Nazis to brutal retaliation, and would substantially have thwarted further Catholic action on behalf of Jews.
 * Dr. Joseph Lichten, a Polish Jew who served as a diplomat and later an official of the Jewish Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith in Rome. Written in his book A Question of Judgment (1963) (written in response to The Deputy play and available online in full).

 * The papal nuncio and the bishops intervened again and again on the instructions of the pope, and that as a result of these labors in the autumn and winter of 1944, there was practically no Catholic Church institution in Budapest where persecuted Jews did not find refuge.
 * Jeno Levai, Jewish historian, in Hungarian Jewry and the Papacy: Pius XII Did Not Remain Silent (1965).

 * Pius XI had good reason to make Pacelli (the future Pius XII) the architect of his anti-Nazi policy. Of the forty-four speeches which the Nuncio Pacelli had made on German soil between 1917 and 1929, at least forty contained attacks on Nazism or condemnations of Hitler’s doctrines. Pacelli, who never met the Führer, called it ‘neo-Paganism.’
 * Pinchas E. Lapide, former Israeli diplomat and Orthodox Jewish Rabbi in Three Popes and the Jews (New York: Hawthorn, 1967) p. 118.

 * The Catholic Church, under the pontificate of Pope Pius XII was instrumental in saving at least 700,000, but probably as many as 860,000, Jews from certain death at Nazi hands.
 * Pinchas E. Lapide, Three Popes and the Jews (1967).

 * No Pope in history has been thanked more heartily by Jews. Upon his death in 1958, several suggested in open letters that a Pope Pius XII forest of 860,000 trees be planted on the hills of Judea in order to fittingly honor the memory of the late Pontiff because the Catholic Church under the pontificate of Pius XII was instrumental in saving the lives of as many as 860,000 Jews from certain death at Nazi hands.
 * Pinchas E. Lapide, Three Popes and the Jews (1967).

 * I told [Pope Pius XII] that my first duty was to thank him, and through him the Catholic Church, on behalf of the Jewish public for all they had done in the various countries to rescue Jews…. We are deeply grateful to the Catholic Church.
 * ''Moshe Sharett (who later became Israel’s first foreign minister and second prime minister)

 * In continuance of the exchanges of views undertaken from time to time since their beginning, on December 23, 1939, for the purpose of facilitating parallel endeavors for peace and the alleviation of human suffering, I am requesting Mr. Taylor to return to Rome and to resume audiences with Your Holiness at such times as may be found appropriate. These exchanges have already contributed profoundly toward a sound and lasting peace and to the strengthening of the impelling convictions pursued by the peoples of the world in their quest for a moral world order firmly established in the life of nations.
 * Harry S. Truman; Exchange of Messages With Pope Pius XII Online, The American Presidency Project; 28 August 1947

 * As the chosen leader of the people of the United States I am privileged to pledge full faith to you once again to work with Your Holiness and with every agency of good the world over for an enduring peace. An enduring peace can be built only upon Christian principles. To such a consummation we dedicate all our resources, both spiritual and material, remembering always that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain who build it.
 * Harry S. Truman; Exchange of Messages With Pope Pius XII Online, The American Presidency Project; 28 August 1947

 * Pius XII did not make his protest heard when the Roman Jews were carried away right under his nose.
 * Amos Luzzatto, president of Union of Italian Jewish Communities. (September 28, 1998).

 * Hitler distrusted the Holy See because it hid Jews. The Germans considered the Pope as an enemy.
 * Richard Breitman, Jewish historian and professor at American University in Washington, D.C. Statement made in Italian newspaper "Corriere della Sera" on June 29 2000.

 * My judgment cannot but be positive. Pope Pacelli was the only one who intervened to impede the deportation of Jews on 16 October 1943, and he did very much to hide and save thousands of us. It was no small matter that he ordered the opening of cloistered convents. Without him, many of our own would not be alive.
 * Michael Tagliacozzo, Jewish historian and staff member at Beth Lohame Haghettaot (Center of Studies on the Shoah and Resistance). Beth Lohame Haghettaot in western Galilee in Israel is one of the world's largest museums and centers of documentation on the Holocaust. October 25 2000.

 * The Talmud teaches that 'whosoever preserves one life, it is accounted to him by Scripture as if he had preserved a whole world.' More than any other twentieth-century leader, Pius XII fulfilled this Talmudic dictum, when the fate of European Jewry was at stake. No other pope had been so widely praised by Jews — and they were not mistaken. Their gratitude, as well as that of the entire generation of Holocaust survivors, testifies that Pius XII was, genuinely and profoundly, a righteous gentile.
 * Rabbi David G. Dalin, Ph.D. "Pius XII and the Jews." Weekly Standard vol. 6 no. 23 (February 26 2001).

 * Never, in those tragic days, could I have foreseen, even in my wildest imaginings, that the man who, more than any other, had tried to alleviate human suffering, had spent himself day by day in his unceasing efforts for peace, would - twenty years later - be made the scapegoat for men trying to free themselves from their own responsibilities and from the collective guilt that obviously weights so heavily upon them.
 * Monsignor John Patrick Carroll-Abbing, in his 1965 book But for The Gace of God, pp.48

 * During the Nazi occupation of Rome, three thousand Jews found refuge at one time at the pope’s summer residence at Castel Gandolfo. Amazingly, Castel Gandolfo is never mentioned or discussed in the anti-papal writings of many of the pope’s critics. Yet at no other site in Nazi-occupied Europe were as many Jews saved and sheltered for as long a period as at Castel Gandolfo during the Nazi occupation of Rome. Kosher food was provided for the Jews hidden there, where, as George Weigel has noted, Jewish children were born in the private apartments of Pius XII, which became a temporary obstetrical ward.
 * Rabbi David G. Dalin, Ph.D., July 29 2005 interview with Dr. Thomas E. Woods.

 * No rebuke has come to Nazism from Pope Pius XI and his successor, Pope Pius XII.
 * Rabbi Louis Finkelstein, chancellor, Jewish Theological Seminary of America in the New York Times, March 1940.

 * I simply cannot understand the failure of the Pope speak out.
 * Rabbi Eric H. Yoffie, president of Union of American Hebrew Congregations (2000)

 * Even though the 'Final Solution' was a Nazi invention, not a Church one, the Pontiff who headed the Roman Catholic Church during the Holocaust period, Pius XII, did nothing to either condemn it or protest against it; his standing by while blood was being shed deserves full condemnation, on behalf of future generations as well. At Yad Vashem in Jerusalem, there is an avenue on which every tree is dedicated to the memory of a Righteous Gentile. Had Pius XII fulfilled his basic duty, this avenue would be much longer and the lives of many more Jews would have been saved during those horrible days.
 * Israeli Chief Rabbi Yisrael Meir Lau, 2000.

 * In a sense, it's an indictment of the dual standard of morality practiced by Pius XII. They (the Vatican) have no hesitation in properly charging the Soviets with atrocities but tragically failed to do so when it came to the murder of the Jews in the Holocaust.
 * Elan Steinberg, executive director of the World Jewish Congress 2001 speaking on discovery of a report by Archbishop Montini into the Soviet occupation of Berlin.

 * The facts are that Pius XII was the best informed leader on what was happening in Europe during the Holocaust. Yet unlike many priests and bishops who risked their lives and showed great courage in defying Hitler, the Pope sat in stony silence as millions of Jews were murdered in the death camps.
 * Rabbi Marvin Hier, dean and founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center 2001

 * Over time I have become convinced that during World War II Pope Pius XII and the vast majority of European Christian leaders regarded the elimination of the Jews as no less beneficial than the destruction of Bolshevism.
 * Rabbi Richard L. Rubenstein, professor emeritus University of Bridgeport (Pope Pius XII and the Holocaust, Eds Carol Rittner and John K. Roth, Continuum).

 * We can't help but notice that under Cardinal Ratzinger's tutelage, the Church began moves to elevate the infamous Pope Pius XII to the status of saint. Instead of repenting for the failure of the Church to give unequivocal messages telling all Catholics that they would be prevented from receiving communion for collaborating or cooperating in any way with Nazi rule, or for failing to hide and protect Jews who were marked for extermination, Ratzinger has sought to whitewash this disgraceful moment in Church history.
 * Michael Lerner, progressive Rabbi and editor of Tikkun 2005

 * In [a] quest for Pacelli, clues begin to accumulate, even in his early life: a devout, pious family, highly professional and respected, yet relatively impoverished; strong and abiding Church links; a desire to restore a dispossessed Vatican to its rightful place in the world; continuing insider influence on the young Eugenio's behalf;[-] a strong dependence on a mother figure; [-] and finally, the use of the Pacelli's special interest in canon law to solve the Vatican's problems of dispossession by creating a new and all-encompassing Church order. [-] He emerges as an intellectually brilliant but psychologically fragile vessel, confronting ruthlessly powerful men, devoid of any scruple whatsoever, at the darkest hour in history.
 * Gerard Noel, Pius XII: The Hound of Hitler, p. 14, 2008

 * I came back from Auschwitz on my own. I lost my mother, two sisters and one brother. Pius XII could have warned us about what was going to happen. We might have escaped from Rome and joined the partisans. He played right into the Germans' hands. It all happened right under his nose. But he was an anti-Semitic pope, a pro-German pope. He didn't take a single risk. And when they say the Pope is like Jesus Christ, it is not true. He did not save a single child.
 * Settimia Spizzichino, the sole Roman Jewish woman survivor from the death camps

 * Liked the man from Rome well enough as a human being. But this was war. Let the British and French answer for it.
 * —Kaiser Wilhelm II's diary

 * What the Vatican did will be indelibly and eternally engraved in our hearts. Priests and even high prelates did things that will forever be an honor to Catholicism.
 * Israel [Zolli], former Chief Rabbi of Rome, 1948.

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User talk:Vkapadia~enwikiquote

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Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Vkapadia. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Vkapadia~enwikiquote that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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User talk:Azadus

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User talk:Ross Hutchinson

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User talk:Grondring

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User talk:Bjkjreed2006

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Paul Boese
Your article on Paul Boese is being considered for deletion because it is suspected that Boese does not meet the usual Wikipedia/Wikiquote guidelines of Wikipedia:notability. If you could provide Wikipedia:reliable sources for these quotes, possibly from the "Quote Magazine" mentioned in the intro, it might help make the case for Boese's notability. (A quick Google check suggests that the best-known Quote Magazine is a Netherlands precious-metal investment publication, which doesn't seem to be what is meant in the article.) Thank you for your assistance. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:26, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Wolfman2000~enwikiquote

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Your account will be renamed
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User talk:Kellyyjchiu

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User talk:Deadhills

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User talk:Steph~enwikiquote

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Your account will be renamed
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Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Steph. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Steph~enwikiquote that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:36, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Abbas~enwikiquote

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Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:16, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Redjac~enwikiquote

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User talk:Mistergosh~enwikiquote

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Your account will be renamed
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User talk:Mcgibson~enwikiquote

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User talk:Krupa~enwikiquote

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Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Krupa. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Krupa~enwikiquote that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

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Renamed
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User talk:Thealx

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Talk:Cast Away

Vote for deletion notice
~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

title: Talk:Cast Away


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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Lehi (group)

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: delete. — Jeffq 03:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Lehi (group)

 * No quotes. This article is more suited to wikipedia. ~ UDScott 12:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: delete (3 Deletes; no dissent; no activity to address issues). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ UDScott 12:41, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Where to begin with this? First, it's clearly not a Wikiquote article, so it should be deleted unless specific quotes are cited, which would still require a massive reduction of the text and probably a reduction of the introductory prose. Second, it appears to include an entire work, which is never acceptable on Wikiquote (or Wikipedia, for that matter). If it's covered by copyright (which the editor uses some questionable arguments to claim it isn't — see my talk page comments), it should be summarily deleted; if not, it belongs on Wikisource, not here. Third, it seems awfully POV, but that could just be the nature of the document it has incorporated. Fourth, I'm quite troubled by the intimate involvement of the editor with the subject. It is increasingly bad form among WikiMedia projects to write articles about subjects that one has direct involvement in, and commissioning a full translation of a document seems like significant involvement. At the very least, an editor shouldn't be posting their user ID in an article. If Zero0000 has a legitimate claim to offering the document for public domain, they should be providing a real-world name for proper sourcing. (Not that I'm suggesting this; I think the whole situation reeks of agenda and should be dealt with on a higher level.) Conclusion: The only way I currently see to salvage this article is to reduce it to a set of pithy quotes from the document (which is supposed to be what Wikiquote delivers), with appropriate sourcing. I'm not sure what to do about the Wikiquote editor commissioned-translation aspect of the source. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:20, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Jeffq. —LrdChaos 19:46, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Anfiniti

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: delete. — Jeffq 03:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Anfiniti
Not notable. ~ UDScott 13:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: delete (2 Deletes; no dissent). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. This appears to be a case, similar to the now-deleted SydLexia.com page, where non-notable quotes from a bulletin-board style website have been posted. ~ UDScott 13:12, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Concur with UDScott. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Mike mccaughan

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: delete. — Jeffq 12:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Mike mccaughan
Not notable. ~ UDScott 11:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: delete (3 Deletes; 2 Keeps from anons whose sole contributions are creation of article and vote to keep; no notability evidence provided). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:40, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless evidence of notability is provided. ~ UDScott 11:54, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep 68.60.202.74 03:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, Mike McCaughan will be a household name someday. 69.248.50.23 04:12, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. No claim to notability, no sources for any quotes. —LrdChaos 19:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Concur with UDScott and LrdChaos. Even the anonymous supporter above makes the argument for non-notability ("household name someday"). This is an obvious vanity page. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:44, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Cast Away

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: keep. — Jeffq 12:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Cast Away
No quotes. ~ UDScott 11:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: keep (3 serious Keeps; 1 Keep from inveterate VFD protester 0waldo; article significantly improved). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, unless quotes are added, and the intro is cleaned up. ~ UDScott
 * Keep, now that some quotes have been added. Thanks Jaxl. ~ UDScott 21:07, 23 March 2006 (UTC) 11:56, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * KEEP. I think it's cute about the ball! 0waldo 01:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep, I've cleaned up the page and added some quotes. -- Jaxl 20:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep after Jaxl's improvements. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

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Julianna Rose Mauriello

Julianna Rose Mauriello (born May 26, 1991) is an American actress best known for having played Stephanie in the Icelandic children's television series LazyTown.

Quotes

 * I got into the make-up chair one hour before my call. I got my make up, hair, and costume all done up and then had  a bit of breakfast. We start filming till lunchtime. I am not used in every shot so when I have breaks I go in my room and do schoolwork. After lunch we go back to work, I go on and off set a normal day. When we wrap for the day I go home and go  relax, swimming or maybe to the movies.
 * Nicksplat: "Exclusive Interview with Julianna Rose Mauriello" (29 March 2007)

 * Interviewer: What advice do you have for kids who are as an actress? Either way I would encourage kids to make good choices, don’t get forced into things due to peer pressure, lead a healthy and safe life, and excel in the things you love. You can be great at anything, as long as you like doing it.
 * Nicksplat: "Exclusive Interview with Julianna Rose Mauriello" (20 March 2006)

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Wikiquote talk:Aims

What is Wikiquote actually for?
This is an attempt to distill guidelines reflecting what readers and editors actually want from Wikiquote. The aim is to reduce the conflict caused by each person having a firm - but different - concept of the project. (Note: my personal interest is more to prevent false exclusions than false inclusions: but each to their own!) JackyR 15:55, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Possible aims
Wikiquote might fulfill some of the following purposes (incomplete list - pls expand):
 * 1) Momentoes of films/books/people. Quotes that stick in your mind. You read the whole page: it helps you enjoy the best bits all over again, or celebrate the person. Usually one or two lines each. Eg Casablanca. JackyR 16:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) "Important" stuff. Quotes which have a life or importance of their own, often used by people who don't know the origin. Usually one or two lines. Eg above: Latin proverbs: Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius. JackyR 16:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Appendices to Wikipedia. Extracts from primary sources which are too long to be included in a Wikipedia article. Often three or four paragraphs, but could be much longer if a work were out of copyright. (What about a whole chapter? Too long for WP, too short for Wikisource. But format v different from one-liners.) These quotes can add enormous value to WP, but may not make interesting WQ pages on their own. Eg Jean-Jacques Rousseau:On the musicians of the Ospedale della Pieta (reference material for Ospedale della Pieta). JackyR 16:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Almost like an article. Quotes on a theme, selected to illustrate the theme from different points of view, times in history, etc. Suggested by not adhered to at Abortion. Could just as well apply to automobiles, football, etc. But insisting on balance could create conflict with (3). JackyR 16:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Pure theme. Every quote you've ever read/heard on the topic, particularly that supports your POV. If you can find and add more than the "competing" POV, good for you. This is what actually happens at Abortion, which now has size problems, and the likely fate of any cruft-attracting subject. JackyR 16:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) A resource for scholars.  Oft-repeated quotations tracked to a verifiable source, for the earliest use identified by the WQ community.  Much of modern culture is very difficult to search; by capturing catchphrases and aphorisms close to their origin, future students of language and culture will have a much easier time tracking down the quotations of tomorrow.
 * 7) A true complement to Wikipedia.  Many times, the best way to understand a person or literary work is through the original text—particularly when there are few independent primary sources.  Someone who reads through all the quotations in Stephen Jay Gould should leave with a much better understanding of Gould's philosophy (as opposed to his scientific work) than is possible to convey in the Wikipedia article on him, since most of the independent primary sources on the subject share the same (anti-Gould) POV.  Someone who reads James Nicoll should have a better understanding of what makes him notable.  121a0012 01:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Comments
I am of the belief that a quotation should never be removed from WQ, unless it is:
 * 1) truly insufficiently notable,
 * 2) spurious or defamatory,
 * 3) substantial enough to constitute a copyright violation, or
 * 4) clearly not related to the subject of the page.
 * 121a0012 01:44, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree with the the idea that quotes should stay unless they meet any of those conditions. For one, "truly insufficiently notable" seems like it could be stretched to include nearly everything, particularly in pages for TV shows and movies, where people are prone to add anything and everything (for example, the Aqua Teen Hunger Force pages was, for some episodes, almost the length of the whole (15 minute) episode. I also think that, for a person (say, an author), you could pull any quote out of one of their books, and just from that, it wouldn't be "truly insufficiently notable." This isn't to say that I think we should have roving bands of editors, stripping quote after quote from each and every page; I would much rather see a well-written guideline for what should be added in the first place, that's followed by editors. The next best thing is having that same guideline, and people occassionally checking some pages for things that "don't belong" and removing them as needed.
 * Now, as for just what does and does not belong, there are a few clear-cut cases for each. Certainly, the most famous quotes from people should exist in WQ; quotes that don't relate to them at all don't. When it comes to the in-between cases, I would definitely like for people to consider, before adding a quote, whether it adds anything. Does it seem like something that anyone is going to look for, or be any better off for having read? Does it convey a new idea, or an old idea in a new way, or is it just another celebrity giving their opinion on some mundane issue? For adding a quote, I think that if the editor wouldn't be able to explain why that quote matters, they shouldn't add it. For removing a quote, I feel the standard should be inverted; if the editor wouldn't be able to clearly articulate why it should be removed, it should stay. Now, I don't really believe that everyone who contributes is going to follow that, and quotes are going to be added and removed for the hell of it. There is never going to be a rule that will cover all situations, because often, a quote that means nothing to one person may be a source of inspiration to another.
 * As for the purposes of WQ, I agree with most of the items listed above, with two exceptions. I don't think that #3 really fits with the other listed goals, and in my opinion, it generally doesn't make it easier to find information on these pages. While there are certainly ideas and quotes that aren't a few succinct sentences, reproducing whole paragraphs or pages from books and such is likely only to create large blocks of text that may often be full of text that isn't really important to the overall idea. I would rather see Wikisource start adopting paragraphs-long but not complete texts, or another project picking them up, than to see huge chunks of text reproduced all over here. The quotes here should certainly complement the facts in a Wikipedia article, but treating a page here as a bona-fide appendix seems likely to get away from the "quote" idea that is necessarily the core of this Wiki. As for #4 ("almost like an article"). Certainly quotes in a page can be arranged to show changes in time and culture, and to present opposing or varying views, but they aren't going to tell the whole story of an issue, and I can see it being disasterous to try (because quotes can be interpreted in wildly different ways, including two or more different views, and so you could end up with editors fighting over where to put a quote based on their interpretation). I don't think that WQ should really be in the business of trying to interpret quotes, but rather to present them as they are, with suitable context to frame the quote. (Apologies for being excessively verbose; I'm prone to that sometimes.) —LrdChaos 03:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Hello. I'm an administrator on en-Wikisource, responding to a comment by JackyR on our community discussion page. Although a new discussion might be appropriate, I think there's a very clear tendency on Wikisource to reject excerpts and incomplete texts. There are several precedents of such texts being deleted through our consensus deletion process. We welcome interwiki collaboration, so long as our own inclusion guidelines are followed. I'll be monitoring Wikiquote from this account, so feel free to respond here. // Pathoschild 23:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

 * If that's the case, then, I'm not really sure there's a place for excerpts. I still don't believe they belong here at WQ, because they really dillute the usefulness of quote pages (by filling them with really large blocks of text). It's my opinion that, in most cases, about one or two paragraphs ought to be about the upper limit for inclusion here (with exceptions, of course). Once you start including numbers of paragraphs, pages, or chapters, it makes it that much more of a pain to skip past it (or read through it) to find the quote you may actually be looking for. —LrdChaos 02:10, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify: I'm not sure exactly which examples Pathoschild was refering to, but I think excerpts would be acceptible at Wikisource (I am also an admin there) if they can be the basis for a future full text. That would be something sort of like a stub in Wikipedia. In that case, there would be a template on the page indicating that the text is as yet unfinished.

However, if the declared purpose of the page was to include only excerpts, (with the contributor subjectively deciding what parts to excerpt) then it doesn't really belong on Wikisource, and sounds very much like a WQ kind of thing. Note that a previously published collection of excerpts is, on the other hand, perfect for Wikisource. Dovi 11:24, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * We wikisource admins are in danger of clogging up this talk page, just to respond to Dovi we've deleted a few excerts or incomplete works, one I remember is s:Wikisource:Proposed_deletions/Archives/2006/03. That said we do keep some incomplete works, such as speeches, where they are categorised as abridged so that they can be completed later, but as Dovi says we're not seeking to collect works only available in edited form or purposely edited by the contributor before being uploaded. They have no place in wikisource, whether you want to take them on wikiquote or not is up to you. AllanHainey 11:36, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Long and short
If, as LrdChaos suggests, excerpts have no place at all (not in WP, not in WQ, not in WS), then we're seriously missing a trick. Books can and do use appendices to valuable effect for exactly this sort of material. I very strongly want to include longer excerpts. Looking at Talk:Main_Page/old, I'd highlight fonzy's comment:
 * "Also thsi project will get rid of some of the quotes that cramp the Wikipedia artilces. Alot fo the quotes taht I ahev seen on WIkipedia dont talk about the meaning or what is meant by the quote said. But this is what Wikiquote is for."

But read what else he says, as there is discussion both ways! It's also clear that people have been using Wikiquote for extracts, as well as one-liners. Here are some, to see how they look/feel/function.

For extracts of one paragraph, check out:
 * Heart of Darkness,
 * Lillian Hellman,
 * James Dean,
 * Harold Powers
 * Rainer Maria Rilke
 * The Catcher in the Rye

For so many one-liners or very short extracts, that the page is as dense as a paragraph, see:
 * Thomas_Carlyle
 * W. C. Fields
 * The Fellowship of the Ring

And for longer extracts (these all mine), see:
 * Jean-Jacques Rousseau: On the musicians of the Ospedale della Pieta (which is an "appendix" for Ospedale della Pieta).
 * Joseph Conrad. (A good example of LrdChaos' complaint that the long quote obstructs the short ones.)
 * Walter Scott (Where the long quote is shorter and easier to read than the accumulated single quotes from each poem)

None of these correspond to a page of easy-read one-liners like Casablanca.

LrdChaos is helpfully clear about his/her objections to long quotes - as I understand you, LC, it's that they throw off the balance of a page, which you see as being a coherent entity which one would expect to read top to bottom? If this is right, we might be able to organize things so that some pages are for one-liners, some for extracts (or top of page vs bottom of page, etc). But only if there's significant support for longer quotes. It's my principal interest in WQ, but I ain't about to hijack anyone else's project! I shall push for them to have their own place... somewhere! :-) JackyR 22:18, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, that sounded like discussion over. Please: continue to discuss! Long vs short! To delete or not to delete! JackyR 16:06, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

 * Thank you for introducing interesting examples. I find Rousseau's case very interesting among those. One quote could be very significant to a certain topic (here, a musician in Italia) but at the same time it could be not so significant - at least from a certain POV - for the person whom the very quote originated.
 * "From a certain POV", said I, and it is my own opinion generally - as a metaphysic, I don't think it important. But as a aesthetician, I could imagine it would be useful for some sorts of people - Rousseau is a significant person not only in philosophy in general, but also in musicology & mugical thought. Someone would find a sort of significance in the quote in question.
 * Generally, I concur with JackyR. It would be not helpful to "keep all materials once submitted as possible as we can". Things would go differently on Wikisource, but we handle quotations, it means our materials are already cropped in its initial submission. It reflects someone's POV systematically. And we notice NPOV doesn't mean "to accept all things". We have to give an appropriate weight to our materials according to their significantly. And I think they way we treat would including rejection. It would be disputable, so I welcome input from other editors.
 * Other point. Too large page is always a pain. Like "God", "Abortion", "Religion" ... If we accept all submissions, sooner or later we will face the problem of page size. For readability, it is worthy to consider removing not notable quotes from pages. (Another entrance to dispute).
 * Of course, our "editorship" can work only if we have a thoughtful discussion which is significant and isn't. Perhaps optimistically, but I think our community has a good tradition to esteem discussion and try to fully use it. So on my part, I guess such garderning would work well among us. --Aphaia 07:13, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Early discussions
Additional food for thought can be found at Talk:Main Page/old.

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Content merged from Red Man's Greed
I've merged in the quotes from that page into this one. The edit history for the Red Man's Greed page: 2006-04-02 14:37:06 86.40.142.191 (→Quotes) 2006-04-02 06:52:33 86.40.142.191 (→Quotes) 2006-03-25 08:55:19 UDScott (merge) 2006-03-25 00:06:31 Savidan (move quotes from wikipedia)

"Unknown episode" vs "Quotes by character" section title
I've changed the section header for the non-episode-group quotes back to "Unknown episode" from "Quotes by character." There are a couple of reasons for this: 1) the Wikiquote TV format template uses "Unknown episode", and 2) "Unknown episode" implies that the quotes will eventually be moved to an episode, whereas "Quotes by character" implies that the section is permanent, which it shouldn't be (the goal is to source all of the quotes to an episode). —LrdChaos 04:04, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Merger
I disagree with this merger because most of the quotes that people remember from South Park from Eric Cartman. There are quotes on there, as well. Dev920 20:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree with merging, Cartman has had too many quotable lines, I can imagine quite a few people would be pleased to find them collected in one place. Cheers! BD2412 T 01:51, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

Huge article
Most of these quotes aren't memorable. With 10 years' worth of material to work with, doesn't anyone think the really significant quotes should be separated from...well, the scripts of the episodes? --Vyran 22:52, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

I agree completely, its like someone just went through every script of every episode and tried to pick stuff out of every single one. Maybe the MOMENTS were funny, at the time, while you watch it, but reading it, isnt funny at all. Some lines are memorable enough to be funny even while read, where are THOSE? These quotes arent entertaining to read, at all.Trix 04:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok
Ok so South Park make new Episodes ever year and so we can't go and put in the new Episode what do we do

mistakes
The quotations of "red hot catholic love" are wrong. E.g. it has to be "having sex with boys is part of the Catholic priest's way of life" instead of "Father, having sex with little boys is part of being a priest." I also think it has to be "rebel" instead of "rabble". It seems like nobody checked the quotations for reliableness. red hot catholic love script Big-B_36 18:50, Dec.28th 2006 (CET)

Missing episodes?
Are we missing some episodes? According to Wikiquote, season 2 only has 14 episodes, while according to Wikipedia, it has 18. That's too bad, I was hoping for the quote from "Cow Days" about 'Do you wish to declare shenanigans on these carnival operators...' ~

Cartman and Stan
Could we add this conversation between Cartman and Stan in "The Passion of The Jew":

MEL GIBSON FAN CLUB [the phone rings. Cartman answers.]

CARTMAN Mel Gibson's The Passion Fan Club.

STAN Hi, uh, my friend and I just went to                         see The Passion CARTMAN Uh huh, and so you want to join the fan club now. Our first meeting is at                         5:30 p.m.                                     STAN Nonono, no, we want our money back. CARTMAN What?

STAN We think the movie sucked and we want Mel Gibson to give us back our eighteen dollars. Do you know how we can get in touch with him? CARTMAN You thought it sucked? Sir, apparently, you don't understand what Mel Gibson was trying to do! He was trying to express, through cinema, the horror and filthiness of the common Jew. It has made people over the world open their eyes. STAN Look, kid, we just thought it was a                         bad movie, so tell us how to get in                          touch with Mel Gibson so we can get our money back! CARTMAN If I knew where Mel Gibson was, I'd                         be down on the floor licking his balls at this very moment, sir. All I know is he lives somewhere in Malibu. Now stop wasting me and Mel Gibson's time, you little wussy prick. STAN Hey, don't take that tone with me, kid! I'll kick your ass! CARTMAN Ohoh yeah?! I'd like to see you try, asshole! I'm like six feet tall! STAN I don't care! You sound like a little bitch to me! CARTMAN Bitch?! Don't call me bitch! I'll pop your fuckin' head open! STAN Yeah?! You wanna bring it, you little pussy?! CARTMAN I already brought it, bitch! I brought it, set it down on the table and opened it, bitch! STAN Wait a minute. Cartman?!

CARTMAN Eup.

Imaginationland II
This was one of the most quotable episodes I've ever seen. If anybody TIVO'ed this, go through and there are a lot of great ones. I specifically want to know the exact wording of the quote by Beary the Bear about how they can't pee in her eye socket unless they have AIDS.

TOC broken
This custom TOC does not appear to be working for many (if not all) of the episodes - the links do not work. ~ UDScott 17:34, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

 * A lot of the episode section headings are formatted asymmetrically from the TOC links that reference them. I've started to change them back, but as you can see it's a large job. If someone can write a quick script to replace

 * == Episode name [x.y] ==
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 * == Episode name (x.yy) ==

 * ...throughout the entire wikicode page, then it can get done pretty fast. I'm not sure how to do that, so I will just sort of keep chipping away at it.  Zenswashbuckler 21:35, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Censorship and Ass - Arse
An IP address has censored some of the expletives, for example replacing "fuck" with "freak" and God* with "gosh". I have reverted this on the grounds that Wikipedia is not censored, but have now noticed that someone has replaced the word "ass" with "arse". While I am one who dislikes Americanisms when they creep in and take over, I would make two  points: firstly, if they are changed the quotes are no longer, well, quotes and it's an American programme, made in America so they say ass, not arse. (well maybe except Pip). So as Cartman would probably say, us monarchy boys just have to suck it up. . Questions? Comments? Britmax 19:51, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Carlos Mencia "at Kanye West's mansion"
Somehow I doubt Carlos Mencia was tied up at Kanye West's mansion. I'm suspecting it was at his own house, due to the fact there was a large portrait of Carlos Mencia in the room he was tied up in.

Last Words
We should totally add a last words in south park media due to south park has people that actually died in the series.(StarWarsFanBoy (talk) 03:46, 19 July 2017 (UTC))

semiprotect
Please protect from editing by everyone so that christians like my friend will stop preaching on the page. -- Joey P knows a lot about that! (Talk) 21:40, 9 December 2017 (UTC)

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Fantastic Four

Fantastic Four can refer to:

Comics

 * Fantastic Four

Movies

 * 2000's
 * Fantastic Four (2005 film).
 * The sequel, Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer.
 * 2010's
 * The reboot, Fantastic Four (2015 film).

Shows

 * Fantastic Four (1994 TV series)

Repeated quotes

 * The Thing: It's clobberin' time!

 * Human Torch: Flame on!

 * Namor: Imperius Rex!

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