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Émile Durkheim

Émile Durkheim (April 15, 1858 – November 15, 1917) was a French sociologist whose contributions were instrumental in the formation of sociology, anthropology and religious studies. His work and editorship of the first journal of sociology (L'Année Sociologique) helped establish sociology within the academy as an accepted social science. Durkheim lectured and published sociological studies on subjects such as education, crime, religion, suicide and other aspects of society. He is often referred to as "The Father of Sociology".

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 * For if society lacks the unity that derives from the fact that the relationships between its parts are exactly regulated, that unity resulting from the harmonious articulation of its various functions assured by effective discipline and if, in addition, society lacks the unity based upon the commitment of men's wills to a common objective, then it is no more than a pile of sand that the least jolt or the slightest puff will suffice to scatter.
 * Émile Durkheim (1903/1961, p. 102); Quoted in: Kenneth Allan (2012). Explorations in Classical Sociological Theory: Seeing the Social World: Seeing the Social World p. 151

 * There is no sociology worthy of the name which does not possess a historical character.
 * Émile Durkheim, Debate on Explanation in History and Sociology (1908).

 * Kant postulates God, since without this hypothesis morality is unintelligible. We postulate a society specifically distinct from individuals, since otherwise morality has no object and duty no roots.
 * Sociology and philosophy (1911), D. Pocock, trans. (1974), p. 51.

 * When mores are sufficient, laws are unnecessary. When mores are insufficient, laws are unenforceable.
 * As attributed in: et al. (1993), Readings in renewing American civilization, p. 54

The Division of Labor in Society (1893)
Émile Durkheim (1893), De La Division Du Travail Social, 1933. Translation of by  G. Simpson. 1947 edition translated by George Simpson.

 * This work had its origins in the question of the relations of the individual to social solidarity. Why does the individual, while becoming more autonomous, depend more upon society? How can he be at once more individual and more solidary? Certainly, these two movements, contradictory as they appear, develop in parallel fashion. This is the problem we are raising. It appeared to us that what resolves this apparent antinomy is a transformation of social solidarity due to the steadily growing development of the division of labor.
 * Preface

 * The division of labour is not of recent origin, but it was only at the end of the eighteenth century that social cognizance was taken of the principle. though, until then, unwitting submission had been rendered to it. To be sure, several thinkers from earliest times saw its importance; but Adam Smith was the first to attempt a theory of it. Moreover, he adopted this phrase that social science later lent to biology.
 * p. 39; Lead paragraph

 * Nowadays, the phenomenon (of division of labor) has developed so generally it is obvious to all. We need have no further illusions about the tendencies of modern industry; it advances steadily towards powerful machines, towards great concentrations of forces and capital, and consequently to the extreme division of labor. Occupations are infinitely separated and specialized, not only inside the factories, but each product is itself a specialty dependent upon others. Adam Smith and John Stuart Mill still hoped that agriculture, at least, would be an exception to the rule, and they saw it as the last resort of small-scale industry. Although one must be careful not to generalize unduly in such matters, nevertheless it is hard to deny today that the principal branches of the agricultural industry are steadily being drawn into the general movement. Finally, business itself is ingeniously following and reflecting in all its shadings the infinite diversity of industrial enterprises; and, while this evolution is realizing itself with unpremeditated spontaneity, the economists, examining its causes and appreciating its results, far from condemning or opposing it, uphold it as necessary. They see in it the supreme law of human societies and the condition of their progress.
 * p. 39; Second paragraph

 * But the division of labor is not peculiar to the economic world; we can observe its growing influence in the most varied fields of society. The political, administrative, and judicial functions are growing more and more specialized. It is the same with the aesthetic and scientific functions. It is long since philosophy reigned as the science unique; it has been broken into a multitude of special disciplines each of which has its object, method, and thought. “Men working in the sciences have become increasingly more specialized.
 * p. 40

 * At this point, an urgent question arises:... Is it our duty to seek to become a thorough and complete human being, one quite sufficient unto himself; or, on the contrary, to be only a part of a whole, the organ of an organism? Briefly, is the division of labor, at the same time that it is a law of nature, also a moral rule of human conduct; and, if it has this latter character, why and in what degree?
 * p. 41.

 * Opinion is steadily inclining towards making the division of labor an imperative rule of conduct, to present it as a duty. Those who shun it are not punished precise penalty fixed by law, it is true; but they are blamed. The time has passed when the perfect man was he who appeared interested in everything without attaching himself exclusively to anything, capable of tasting and understanding everything finding means to unite and condense in himself all that was most exquisite in civilization. … We want activity, instead of spreading itself over a large area, to concentrate and gain in intensity what it loses in extent. We distrust those excessively mobile talents that lend themselves equally to all uses, refusing to choose a special role and keep to it. We disapprove of those men whose unique care is to organize and develop all their faculties, but without making any definite use of them, and without sacrificing any of them, as if each man were sufficient unto himself, and constituted an independent world. It seems to us that this state of detachment and indetermination has something anti-social about it. The praiseworthy man of former times is only a dilettante to us, and we refuse to give dilettantism any moral value; we rather see perfection in the man seeking, not to be complete, but to produce; who has a restricted task, and devotes himself to it; who does his duty, accomplishes his work. “To perfect oneself,” said Secrétan, “is to learn one's role, to become capable of fulfilling one's function. . . The measure of our perfection is no longer found in our complacence with ourselves, in the applause of a crowd, or in the approving smile of an affected dilettantism, but in the sum of given services and in our capacity to give more.” [Le principe de la morale, p. 189] … We no longer think that the exclusive duty of man is to realize in himself the qualities of man in general; but we believe he must have those pertaining to his function. … The categorical imperative of the moral conscience is assuming the following form: Make yourself usefully fulfill a determinate function.
 * pp. 42-43.

 * Everybody knows that we like those who resemble us, those who think and feel as we do. But the opposite is no less true. It very often happens that we feel kindly towards those who do not resemble us, precisely because of this lack of resemblance.
 * p. 54

 * Solidarity can grow only in inverse ratio to personality.
 * p. 129 (in 1933 edition)

 * Reality seems valueless by comparison with the dreams of fevered imaginations; reality is therefore abandoned.
 * p. 129 (in 1933 edition, lushqoutes)

 * Solidarity which comes from likenesses is at its maximum when the collective conscience completely envelops our whole conscience and coincides in all points with it.
 * p. 130 (in 1933 edition)

 * At the moment when this solidarity exercises its force, our personality vanishes, as our definition permits us to say, for we are no longer ourselves, but the collective life.
 * p. 130 (in 1933 edition)

 * In the name of the dogma of struggle for existence and natural selection, they paint for us in the saddest colors this primitive humanity whose hunger and thirst, always badly satisfied, were their only passions; those sombre times when men had no other care and no other occupation than to quarrel with one another over their miserable nourishment. To react against those retrospective reveries of the philosophy of the eighteenth century and also against certain religious doctrines, to show with some force that the paradise lost is not behind us and that there is in our past nothing to regret, they believe we ought to make it dreary and belittle it systematically. Nothing is less scientific than this prejudice in the opposite direction. If the hypotheses of Darwin have a moral use, it is with more reserve and measure than in other sciences. They overlook the essential element of moral life, that is, the moderating influence that society exercises over its members, which tempers and neutralizes the brutal action of the struggle for existence and selection. Wherever there are societies, there is altruism, because there is solidarity.
 * p. 153

 * Every society is a moral society. In certain respects, this character is even more pronounced in organised societies. Because the individual is not sufficient unto himself, it is from society that he receives everything necessary to him, as it is for society that he works.
 * p. 228

 * Methodological rules are for science what rules of law and custom are for conduct.
 * p. 364

 * Division of labour produces solidarity only if it is spontaneous and in proportion as it is spontaneous. But by spontaneity we must understand not simply the absence of all express violence, but also of everything that can even indirectly shackle the free unfolding of the social force that each carries in himself. It supposes, not only that individuals are not relegated to determinate functions by force, but also that no obstacle, of whatever nature, prevents than from occupying the place in the social framework which is compatible with their social faculties. In short, labour is divided spontaneously only if society is constituted in such a way that social inequalities exactly express natural inequalities
 * p. 376

The Rules of Sociological Method, 1895
Émile Durkheim (1895), The Rules of Sociological Method. 8th edition, trans. Sarah A. Solovay and John M. Mueller, ed. George E. G. Catlin (1938, 1964 edition)

 * If I do not submit to the conventions of society, if in my dress I do not conform to the customs observed in my country and in my class, the ridicule I provoke, the social isolation in which I am kept, produce, although in an attenuated form, the same effects as punishment in the strict sense of the word.
 * p. 3

 * As an industrialist, I am free to apply the technical methods of former centuries; but by doing so, I should invite certain ruin.
 * p. 3

 * A social fact is every way of acting, fixed or not, capable of exercising on the individual an external constraint; or again, every way of acting which is general throughout a given society, while at the same time existing in its own right independent of its individual manifestations.
 * p. 10

 * Men already had ideas on law, morality, the family, the state, and society itself before the advent of social science, for these ideas were necessary conditions of his life
 * p. 14

 * When, then, the sociologist undertakes the investigation of some order of social facts, he must endeavour to consider them from an aspect that is independent of their individual manifestations.
 * p. 45

 * Once the generality of the phenomenon has been established, one can, by showing its utility, confirm the results of the first method. We may, therefore, formulate the three following rules:
 * A social fact is normal, in relation to a given social type at a given phase of its development, when it is present in the average society of that species at the corresponding phase of its evolution.
 * One can verify the results of the preceding method by showing that the generality of the phenomenon is bound up with the general conditions of collective life of the social type considered.
 * This verification is necessary when the fact in question occurs in a social species which has not yet reached the full course of its evolution.
 * p. 64

 * Imagine a society of saints, a perfect cloister of exemplary individuals. Crimes, properly so called, will there be unknown; but faults which appear venial to the layman will create there the same scandal that the ordinary offense does in ordinary consciousnesses. If, then, this society has the power to judge and punish, it will define these acts as criminal and will treat them as such.
 * p. 68-69

 * With reference to practical social doctrines, our method permits and commands the same independence. Sociology thus understood will be neither individualistic, communistic, nor socialistic in the sense commonly given these words. On principle, it will ignore these theories, in which it could not recognize any scientific value, since they tend not to describe or interpret, but to reform, social organization.
 * p. 75

Suicide: A Study in Sociology (1897)

 * Routledge & Kegan Paul version, (1952). (Original work published 1897 as Le Suicide: Étude de sociologie)

 * In short, all suicides of the insane are either devoid of any motive or determined by purely imaginary motives. Now, many voluntary deaths fall into neither category; the majority have motives, and motives not unfounded in reality.  Not every suicide can therefore be considered insane, without doing violence to language.

 * To pursue a goal which is by definition unattainable is too condemn oneself to a state of perpetual unhappiness.

 * It is society which, fashioning us in its image, fills us with religious, political, and moral beliefs that control our actions.

 * It is not human nature which can assign the variable limits necessary to our needs. They are thus unlimited so far as they depend on the individual alone. Irrespective of any external regulatory force, our capacity for feeling is in itself an insatiable and bottomless abyss.

 * Man's characteristic privilege is that the bond he accepts is not physical but moral; that is, social. He is governed not by a material environment brutally imposed on him, but by a conscience superior to his own, the superiority of which he feels. Because the greater, better part of his existence transcends the body, he escapes the body's yoke, but is subject to that of society.

Suicide: A Study in Sociology (French: Le Suicide: Étude de sociologie) is an 1897
 * A passion for the infinite is daily presented as a sign of moral distinction, when in fact it can only occur in disturbed minds which accord the status of a norm to the very disturbance from which they are suffering.

The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life, 1912
Émile Durkheim, The Elementary Forms of the Religious Life: A Study in Religious Sociology (1912).

 * At the roots of all our judgments there are a certain number of essential ideas which dominate all our intellectual life; they are what philosophers since Aristotle have called the categories of the understanding: ideas of time, space, class, number, cause, substance, personality, etc. They correspond to the most universal properties of things. They are like the solid frame which encloses all thought: this does not seem to be able to liberate itself from them without destroying itself.
 * p. 9

 * The general conclusion of the book which the reader has before him is that religion is something eminently social.
 * p. 10

 * Space is not the vague and undetermined medium which Kant imagined; if purely and absolutely homogeneous, it would be of no use, and could not be grasped by the mind. Spatial representation consists essentially in a primary coordination of the data of sensuous experience. But this coordination would be impossible if the parts of space were qualitatively equivalent, if they were really interchangeable.
 * p. 10

 * Now, it is unquestionable that language, and consequently the system of concepts which it translates, is the product of a collective elaboration. What it expresses is the manner in which society as a whole represents the facts of experience. The ideas which correspond to the diverse elements of language are thus collective representations. Even their contents bear witness to the same fact. In fact, there are scarcely any words among those which we usually employ whose meaning does not pass, to a greater or less extent, the limits of our personal experience. Very frequently a term expresses things which we have never perceived or experiences which we have never had or of which we have never been the witness. Even when we know some of the objects which it concerns, it is only as particular examples that serve to illustrate the idea which they would never have been able to form by themselves. Thus there is a great deal of knowledge condensed in the word which I never collected, and which is not individual; it even surpasses me to such an extent that I cannot even completely appropriate all its results. Which of us knows all the words of the language he speaks and the entire signification of each?
 * p. 434

 * The category of class was at first indistinct from the concept of the human group; it is the rhythm of social life which is at the basis of the category of time; the territory occupied by the society furnished the material for the category of space; it is the collective force which was the prototype of the concept of efficient force, an essential element in the category of causality.
 * p. 488

Quotes about Émile Durkheim

 * Émile Durkheim … strove to insert and settle “society” in the place vacated by God and by Nature viewed as God’s creation or embodiment—and thereby to claim for the nascent nation-state that right to articulate, pronounce and enforce moral commandments and command the supreme loyalties of its subjects; the right previously reserved for the Lord of the Universe.
 * Zygmunt Bauman, The Art of Life (Cambridge: 2008), pp. 31-33.

 * One of the most penetrating diagnoses of the capitalist culture in the nineteenth century was made by sociologist, E. Durkheim, who was neither a political nor a religious radical. He states that in modern industrial society the individual and the group have ceased to function satisfactorily; that they live in a condition of "anomie," that is, a lack of meaningful and structuralized social life; that the individual follows more and more "a restless movement, a planless self-development, an aim of living which has no criterion of value and in which happiness lies always in the future, and never in the present achievement."
 * Erich Fromm, The Sane Society (1955).

 * Durkheim points out that only the political state survived the French Revolution as a solitary factor of collectivization. As a result, a genuine social order has disappeared, the state emerging as the only collective organizing activity of the social character. The individual, free from all genuine social bonds, finds himself abandoned, isolated, and demoralized. Society becomes "a disorganized dust of individuals."
 * Erich Fromm, The Sane Society (1955).

 * According to Durkheim’s standpoint. the criteria underlying Marx’s hopes for the elimination of technological alienation represent a reversion to moral principles which are no longer appropriate to the modern form of society. This is exactly the problem which Durkheim poses at the opening of The Division of Labour: ‘Is it our duty to seek to become a thorough and complete human being. one quite sufficient unto himself; or, on the contrary, to be only a part of a whole, the organ of an organism?’ The analysis contained in the work, in Durkheim’s view, demonstrates conclusively that organic solidarity is the ‘normal’ type in modern societies, and consequently that the era of the ‘universal man’ is finished. The latter ideal, which predominated up to the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries in western Europe is incompatible with the diversity of the contemporary order. In preserving this ideal, by contrast, Marx argues the obverse: that the tendencies which are leading to the destruction of capitalism are themselves capable of effecting a recovery of the ‘universal’ properties of man. which are shared by every individual.
 * Anthony Giddens, Capitalism and Modern Social Theory (1973), pp. 230-231

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Alan Clark

Alan Kenneth Mackenzie Clark (April 13, 1928 – September 5, 1999) was a British Conservative politician, historian and diarist. The son of art historian Kenneth Clark, he read modern history at Oxford and qualified as a Barrister, but never practiced. His book "The Donkeys" (1961) argued that British troops were poorly led in the First World War. Clark became Conservative Member of Parliament for Plymouth Sutton in 1974, and served in the government of Margaret Thatcher. After standing down from Parliament in 1992, his diaries (covering his ministerial career) were published the following year and became an instant classic for their combination of political intrigue, high living, and Clark's many sexual exploits with women. He was elected to Parliament again in 1997.

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 * You cannot come here because you are not white.
 * Quoted in his obituary in The Guardian, 8 September 1999.
 * In 1971 Clark said this should be the message given to refugees expelled by Idi Amin from Uganda who held residence rights in the UK.

 * John Pilger: I read that you were a vegetarian and you are seriously concerned about the way animals are killed. Alan Clark: Yeah. John Pilger: Doesn’t that concern extend to the way humans, albeit foreigners, are killed? Alan Clark: Curiously not.
 * Interviewed by John Pilger in the documentary Death of a Nation, broadcast on ITV February 22, 1994.
 * The interview was transcribed in New Statesman and Society, February 18, 1994.

 * The only solution for dealing with the IRA is to kill 600 people in one night.
 * Spoken at a fringe meeting at the Conservative Party Conference, October 7, 1997. Reported in The Guardian, October 8, 1997

 * I am not a fascist. Fascists are shopkeepers, I am a Nazi.
 * William Donaldson (ed.), Brewer's Rogues, Villains and Eccentrics (London 2002), p. 152.
 * Letter to The Guardian.

Diaries: In Power (1993)
Originally published without sub-title as Diaries, they cover the years 1983 to 1991. ISBN 1857991427.

 * So what does it matter where it was when it was hit? We could have sunk it if it'd been tied up on the quayside in a neutral port and everyone would still have been delighted.
 * May 15, 1983; p. 5
 * On the sinking of the ARA General Belgrano during the Falklands War.

 * I only can properly enjoy carol services if I am having an illicit affair with someone in the congregation. Why is this? Perhaps because they are essentially pagan, not Christian, celebrations.
 * December 17, 1985; p. 125

 * "The trouble with [Michael] Heseltine is that he had to buy all his furniture." Snobby, but cutting.
 * 17 June 1987. Quoting Michael Jopling.

 * I fell into conversation with Douglas. His is a split personality. À deux he is delightful; clever, funny, observant, drily cynical. But get him anywhere near "display mode", particularly if there are officials around, and he might as well have a corncob up his arse. Pompous, trite, high-sounding, cautiously guarded.
 * January 29, 1988; p. 198

 * I want to fire the whole lot. Instantly. Out, out. No "District" commands, no golden bowlers, nothing. Out … If I could, I'd do what Stalin did to Tukhachevsky.
 * April 3, 1990; p. 291
 * On reform of the General Staff, while he was Minister of Defence Procurement.

 * Pinkish toffs like Ian [ Gilmour ] and Charlie [ Morrison ], having suffered, for ten years, submission to their social inferior see in Michael [Heseltine] an arriviste, certainly, who can't shoot straight and in Jopling's damning phrase 'bought all his own furniture', but one who at any rate seeks the cachet. While all the nouves in the party think he (Michael) is the real thing.
 * 17 November 1990

 * I am confirmed in my opinion that it is hopeless here. All we can do is arm the Orangemen – to the teeth – and get out.
 * January 30, 1991; p. 395
 * On the Troubles in Northern Ireland.

Quotes about Clark

 * A few attempts have been made to argue that a Nazi victory over the Soviet Union might not have been wholly disadvantageous to the Western powers, and that therefore a second phase of appeasement after 1941 might have been preferable to continued war. Some British Tories, notably the late Alan Clark, have suggested that the British Empire might have been spared ignominious bankruptcy, decline and fall, had a separate peace been made along the lines Rudolf Hess seems to have envisaged and Hitler repeatedly mused about in his evening monologues; in a similar vein, some American conservatives argue that the Cold War might have been avoided had Roosevelt kept the United States out of the shooting war in Europe. On the whole, however, most writers have tended to take the view that a Nazi victory would have been a worse outcome than that of 1945. Even if a victorious Third Reich had opted for peace with Britain and America - which cannot be regarded as very probable - the price would have been horrendously high for the millions of people left under Nazi rule. All nine million of the Jews of Europe might have been murdered, rather than the nearly six million who actually were, to say nothing of the vast human suffering that would have been inflicted on other ethnic groups by the implementation of the Generalplan Ost, which envisaged deporting around fifty million East Europeans to Siberia.
 * Niall Ferguson, The War of the World: Twentieth-Century Conflict and the Descent of the West (2006), p. 470

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Hello, I'm NerdExtrodinare, you might know me from youtube if you frequent the cartoon videos on there. But anyhoy, I usualy have a lot of time on my hands, so if you desire work done on any specific page put it in my talk and I'll get to it as soon as I can.

Or go to my talk, just to talk. I'm a big fan of Marvel and DC comics, though I'm not as well versed in DC as in Marvel. I am an especial fan of Gambit and Jubilee from the X-Men. I'm a fan of many cartoons and comics, so feel free to bring any cartoon or comic, or book up, and if I've read/watched it I'll talk to you about it, and if not, I'll try to find a way to watch it.

I'll try to expand my page when I have the time, so bear with me.

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Paul Theroux

Paul Edward Theroux (born April 10, 1941) is an American travel writer and novelist.

Quotes

 * Fiction gives us a second chance that life denies us.
 * New York Times (July 28, 1976).

 * Travel is glamorous only in retrospect.
 * “Paul Theroux, Restless Writer Of the Rails“ by Paul Hendrickson, Washington Post (September 20, 1979).

 * The realization that he is white in a black country, and respected for it, is the turning point in the expatriate’s career. He can either forget it, or capitalize on it. Most choose the latter.
 * Tarzan Is an Expatriate, quoted in Patrick Marnham's Dispatches from Africa, ch. 1 (1981).

 * “Mustn’t grumble” was the most English of expressions. English patience was mingled inertia and despair. What was the use? But Americans did nothing but grumble! Americans also boasted. "I do some pretty incredible things” was not an English expression. "I’m fairly keen" was not American. Americans were showoffs — it was part of our innocence — we often fell on our faces; the English seldom showed off, so they seldom looked like fools.
 * The Kingdom by the Sea: A Journey Around Great Britain, ch. 1 (1983).

 * The Peace Corps is a sort of Howard Johnson’s on the main drag into maturity.
 * Sunrise with Seamonsters (1985).

 * I have always disliked being a man. The whole idea of manhood in America is pitiful, in my opinion. This version of masculinity is a little like having to wear an ill-fitting coat for one's entire life (by contrast, I imagine femininity to be an oppressive sense of nakedness).
 * "Being a Man" (1983), from Sunrise with Seamonsters: Travels and Discoveries, 1964-84 (Houghton Mifflin, 1986, ISBN 0-395-41501-2, 384 pages), p. 309.

 * Hawaii is not a state of mind, but a state of grace.
 * Observer (London, October 29, 1989).

 * Death is an endless night so awful to contemplate that it can make us love life and value it with such passion that it may be the ultimate cause of all joy and all art.
 * Hockney’s Alphabet, D is for Death, ed. Stephen Spender (1991)
 * Book published to raise money for AIDS victims.

 * Animal lovers often tend to be misanthropes or loners, and so they transfer their affection to the creature in their control.
 * Living With Geese, Smithsonian Magazine (December 2006).

 * Assigning human personalities to animals is the chief trait of the pet owner—the doting dog-lover with his baby talk, the smug stay-at-home with a fat lump of fur on her lap who says, "Me, I'm a cat person," and the granny who puts her nose against the tin cage and makes kissing noises at her parakeet. Their affection is often tinged with a sense of superiority. Deer and duck hunters never talk this way about their prey, though big game hunters— Hemingway is the classic example — often sentimentalize the creatures they blow to bits and then lovingly stuff to hang on the wall.
 * Living With Geese.

 * Fogeydom is the last bastion of the bore and reminiscence is its anthem. It is futile to want the old days back, but that doesn't mean one should ignore the lessons of the visitable past.
 * Remember the Cicadas and the Stars?, International Herald Tribune (January 2, 2007).

The Great Railway Bazaar (1975)

 * I sought trains; I found passengers.
 * Ch. 1.

 * Extensive traveling induces a feeling of encapsulation, and travel, so broadening at first, contracts the mind.
 * Ch. 21.

 * The Japanese have perfected good manners and made them indistinguishable from rudeness.
 * Ch. 28.

Picture Palace (1978)

 * Photographers are failed painters.

 * The trouble with cameras is that people see them a mile away.

The Old Patagonian Express (1979)

 * You define a good flight by negatives: you didn’t get hijacked, you didn’t crash, you didn’t throw up, you weren’t late, you weren’t nauseated by the food. So you are grateful.

 * You must not judge people by their country. In South America, it is always wise to judge people by their altitude.

 * Tightfisted people are as mean with friendship as they are with cash--suspicious, unbelieving, and incurious.
 * Chapter 5, The Passenger Train to Tapachula

Fresh Air Fiend (2000)

 * In many ways connection has been disastrous. We have confused information (of which there has been too much of) with ideas (of which there are too few. I found out much more about the world and myself by being unconnected.

 * Even the most distant and exotic place has its parallel in ordinary life.

 * You have to find out for yourself. Take the leap. Go as far as you can. Try staying out of touch. Become a stranger in a strange land. Acquire humility. Learn the language. Listen to what people are saying.

Quotes about Paul Theroux

 * I would like to mention a writer from the American/European borderline, Paul Theroux, whose novel The Family Arsenal is one of the best about England of the last 10 or 15 years. Theroux has passed through a remarkable development; he is one of those writers who 'hear' what people are thinking about themselves, and he gives expression to what goes unrealized in their society in a way they can't do.
 * 1979 interview in Conversations with Nadine Gordimer edited by Nancy Topping Bazin and Marilyn Dallman Seymour (1990)

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User talk:88.245.89.103

~ UDScott 18:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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Wikiquote talk:WikiProject Policy Revision

Roadmap
I would propose to make a roadmap not only for policy revision but also, if necessary, for policy drafting. If we have a vision, such as, the end of this year what we want to accomplish, it will help us figure out what we are going to do.

My suggestions as our annual goals are:
 * To write down all the current oral tradition around formatting both the way of formatting and the thought behind.
 * To make all policies official as far as related to daily sysop actions (i.e. blocking, deletion and protection).
 * To have a set of official citation and sourcing policies

You may have different thoughts. I would love to learn your ideas.--Aphaia 19:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with all those points and feel they should be put into effect. Re: to Makeing all policies official... If any users have problems with those policies, they should state them on the Village pump or this page... at which time we would review it as a community. Re: to Citation/Sourcing... we definitely need this, not just for stylistic reasons, but also for copyright/verifiable reasons...  Cbrown1023  talk  21:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm so optimistic as to think "to make all policies official" is in the least priorities among three (and perhaps with other goals you'd add). As Cbrown1023 says, if someone complains those policies (or policy draft), it would have been argued ... so while I would like to establish them, it looks me not an urgent issue.
 * Citation and sourcing are already drafted, but not have a good number of support at least in the latest campaign. We are better to review it, revise it if necessary, and again call for endorsement?
 * As for formatting, I think we are better to have a document (or few) which describes the idea behind the current formatting. Recently I joined two discussions about "what makes us prefer our current formatting way". If we have a brief document and can pass it to newbies, it would be a great help for both sides. --Aphaia 06:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * One another concern might be Quotes of living persons (now draft). I suppose however it may be a corollary of the third "citation and sourcing" - the possible conclusion on Living quote may be "no quote of living person without source". --Aphaia 12:58, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

I propose now for setting our primary annual goal to establish source and citation rules. After observations other areas, including sysop related rules/habits and Essjay's import cleanup, I've conclude they are not our urgent concerns, because
 * As for Essjay's import from Wikipedia; most of his imports are regarding with user behavours (Assume good faith, Do not bite newcomers etc). I admit those are thoughtful and respectable ideas, but currently we need them as written guidelines; someday we would like to write them down, but it is not now hopefully, specially when we facing other problems we need to solve.
 * Sysop actions: now we have two of them as official policies (WQ:DP and WQ:BP), while the latter is sometimes stepped over. We have the protection policy still as draft, but currently protection hasn't been a big deal yet. Except drafting proposed deletion there is no urgent need - even for prod, our WQ:VFD has yet a room and it is not an urgent need.
 * Citation and sourcing are always being discussed on WQ:VP and other talks. It is obvious we would have benefits to reuse those results of discussions.      Also, we can expect establishment of proper citation way increases the legal sustainability of our project and hence the reuseability of our content. As relevant issue, we may want include elaboration of Quotes of living persons perhaps.

As for Quotes of living persons and citation, I would refer our sister project, German Wikisource reform. Since March 2007, they have banned all unsourced quotes from living people articles, and have limited the number of unsourced quotes up to five on departed people (de:Wikiquote:Person). Besides their strict way, I love their idea to have styleguides for each quote genre (people, theme or works); their styleguides are not templates, but rather the guidelines how to write the articles. Having both templates and such guidelines will be helpful for us too. --Aphaia 23:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Possible minor goals
Before jumping into policy drafting, revision, finishing and adoptation there are something we need to care in my opinion. During recent discussions, I found some points we may want to Expecting further discussions, I separate those items into sections. If you think I'm stepping into too much details, please feel free to poke me. --Aphaia 19:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Set a surer procedure
 * Review of current classification
 * The validity of "official policy" claim

Set a surer procedure
One thing we have discussed during this April was we have no fixed procedure to endorse a policy draft. I prefer the community convension, to make a draft, ask a review for the community for a certain term (the length may vary), and then if there is almost no objection, it will be considered as official policy. I think JeffQ would better explain the convention, but hopefully I wouldn't miss the core idea. The keystone is the draft hasn't been radically updated in its final stage of reviewing. From this point, I wouldn't like the way of the latest call for endorsement. As I stated before, it is not responsible to rewrite a draft already endorsed and not to ask the review again for those who endorsement, since people endorse a particular version, not the current version whatever. I hope we get back to the past formality the community has respected. For this purpose, I took a note of procedure at User:Aphaia/Policy making. I am not sure the community has to fix the procedure as rule at this moment, but I would like to prevent the latest case I described as the above, and think it would be nice for this project how to ask the community for review/endorsement in a bit more detailed way.

Also it would be nice for us to confirm we are not going to use "group sign". I think it is even no convention in the Wikimedia project community. I confessed last year I sometimes signed on behalf of Essjay as Election officer with consent of other officers, but now I think we had better to remove his name and left him in his absence. --Aphaia 19:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

 * We need this, basically your page seems to outline it well... I am also against the group sign due to the trouble I got into with it. :-P  Cbrown1023  talk  21:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Review of current classification
There are now three classes; Guideline, Policy and Policydraft. We may want to have a middle class as "tentative policy"? Or is it not our option at this moment? Also some documents classfied "policy needed to be revised" seem to me unclear why so labelled. In my opinion some are better to be called "need to frequently updated" or some don't seem "policies". Or we can just expand descriptions like "For convinience, you may find project documents need to be revised but never to be considered as policy or guideline." (History of Wikiquote or Announcement may never be a "policy"...) --Aphaia 19:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

The validity of "official policy" claim

 * Essjay introduced some policies from Wikipedia and labelled them as "official policy". He did it without any precedent discussion. He doesn't seem to have made an annoucement afterwards. No, it is not a criticism, I just would like you to give a look to its consequence; those pages are unnoticed. They have not been therefore linked from other project pages including Policies and guidelines, Community portal or Utilities and tend to be forgetten. The discussion about Username policy may be a good example. In a glance, most of those are unharmful, but I wouldn't like to keep them as official policy. Besides some of them seems to be better to be called as guideline, I strongly feel we have not adopt "official policy" in that way. If we have a document as an official policy, and they are linked from some templates and even some editors have joined to improvement, what is our benefits if the document itself is orphaned and forgotten from the majority? One another example is Vandalism - though it was stated as official policy (I removed the tag unanimously and replaced with "policydraft"), Vandalism in progress refers still the original Wikipedia version. Since Essjay didn't care for consistency, his imports are tend to be orphaned in this kind of inconsistency with other existing documents.  I think therefore we need to check those imported "official policy", integrate them to our other policies and ask the community to review them to determine their fates. Or those documents are not utilized by the community and again we are going to reinvent a wheel as username policy issue.--Aphaia 19:18, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, these definitely need review... I completely agree. I was also surprised with how many "I"s and first-person pronouns we had on the attached page!  We need to clean up our existing policy and probably "reconfirm" them, while we update our old policies and make new ones.  Cbrown1023  talk  21:39, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Also his "guidelines"; he even didn't try to replace "Wikipedia" in those documents or to fix links to Wikipedia pages. Some of those haven't edited since creation. I wonder what made him behave in such a way. --Aphaia 13:22, 3 May 2007 (UTC)


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Loren Cunningham

Loren Duane Cunningham (June 30, 1936 – October 6, 2023) was a co-founder of the international Christian missionary organization Youth With A Mission (YWAM) and the University of the Nations.

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 * Disagreements don't cause disunity, a lack of forgiveness does.
 * Cited in: George Otis Jr, The God They Never Knew, 1978, p. 7-8.
 * retrieved from http://web.archive.org/web/20011115090120/http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1082/geotisjr.htm on 19:19, 2 May 2007, (UTC)

 * It was a simple story, really. Yes, God had told us to get a ship, and repeatedly He had confirmed His guidance using all the ways we had learned for hearing His voice. He used the Wise Men Principle; He used Scriptures which He seemed to lift off the pages for us; He used provision of money and people, and that inner conviction -- but we had failed in the way we had carried out His guidance. We had subtly turned from the Giver to the gift.
 * Cited in: "The God They Never Knew" (website) claimed from Loren Cunningham and Janice Rodgers, Is That Really You, God? Hearing the Voice of God, p. 107.
 * retrieved from http://web.archive.org/web/20011115090120/http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/1082/geotisjr.htm on 19:19, 2 May 2007, (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Robert Wilensky

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: Merge, then Delete.  Cbrown1023  talk  20:24, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Robert Wilensky
Need a notability check and copyright infringement review; no Wikipedia article, Google suggests he is a Computer scicence professor at UCB, so possibly notable or not (I have no opinion). My second worriness is on copyright issue. I doubt if the second Ghit was copied to the project. --Aphaia 20:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 21:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Delete or merge it to the Internet. --Aphaia 20:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge per Aphaia.--Jusjih 13:37, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge, per Aphaia. ~ UDScott 13:54, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Notable enough; I've heard of him.--Poetlister 16:31, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge. - InvisibleSun 20:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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User talk:125.99.103.29

Thanks for experimenting with Wikiquote. Your test worked, and has now been reverted or removed. Please use Sandbox for any other tests you want to do, since testing in articles will normally be reverted quickly. Please see the welcome page if you would like to learn more about contributing to our compendium of quotations. For a quick overview of what Wikiquote is, read Wikiquote, and also What Wikiquote is not for a list of common activities that Wikiquote does not support. --Aphaia 21:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:84.141.102.92

- InvisibleSun 22:35, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Quote of the day/May 3, 2007

The easiest way to avoid wrong notes is to never open your mouth and sing. What a mistake that would be. ~ Pete Seeger

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The Forgotten (2004 film)

The Forgotten is a 2004 film about a man and woman who are told that their children never existed, and soon discover that there's a much bigger enemy at work.
 * Directed by Joseph Ruben. Written by Gerald Di Pego.

You'll Never Forget The Ones You Love (taglines)

Telly Paretta

 * I had life inside me. I had life. I have a child. I have a son. I have a son, and his name is Sam, you son of a bitch.
 * Please tell me, no one will know that you spoke to us. I swear to you!
 * Where is my son?

Ash Correll

 * Baseball is great. It's the only sport in the world that you can play while taking a nap.
 * Did we get married?

Det. Anne Pope

 * You don't know very much. National Security, huh? Better buy better locks.
 * Telly Paretta, stop! I'm Detective Pope! I tracked the man to this house. I shot him in the leg, and nothing. He is not human! I believe you!

Others

 * Jim Paretta: My wife is delusional. She needs help.
 * A Friendly Man: You need to FORGET!

Dialogue

 * Dr. Munce: How much time did you spend at the dresser compared to last week?
 * Telly: Less.
 * Dr. Munce: How much less?
 * Telly: I don't know exactly.
 * Dr. Munce: You wanna make a guess, roughly, for the week?
 * Telly: Oh, not even an hour a day.

 * Telly: I had a son, his name was Sam. You son-of-a-bitch!

 * Telly: Why did you change the picture? You replaced our book with an empty book. [shouts] You erased our son!
 * Jim: I didn't change anything! They were always blank!

 * Dr. Munce: Telly, you never had a son. Sometimes people go around and invent alternate lives, with imagined friends, and imagined families.
 * Telly: Stop it! Why are you doing this? I am not making him up!

 * Jim: I think it's great, you're starting to write again. What's your book going to be about?
 * Telly: Psychotic women, and the men who love them.

 * Telly: At first I thought it had something to do with the plane crash. Remember when that TWA plane crashed over Long Island? Everybody thought it was a missile, friendly fire, or some type of government cover-up.
 * Ash: Yeah, I remember that.
 * Telly: But then I thought, you know, 'How could the government erase our memories?' It's just not possible. So...
 * Ash: What?
 * Telly: So you don't think I'm out of my mind?
 * Ash: I don't anymore.

 * Telly: [Ash is hitting the NSA agaent they have strapped to a chair while questioning him for answers] Don't do that!
 * Ash: What, this? [Ash hits him again]

 * Telly: What have you done with him? Why did you take him? What do you want?
 * A Friendly Man: It's an experiment.
 * Telly: He's just a little boy. What could you possibly learn from him?
 * A Friendly Man: Nothing.
 * Telly: This wasn't about Sam. This wasn't about the children.
 * A Friendly Man: It was never about the children.
 * Telly: We were the experiment.
 * A Friendly Man: Your connection, mother to child. Like an invisible tissue. We can even measure its energy. But we don't fully understand it, so I posed the question: "Can it be dissolved?" And it can. Except for you.
 * Telly: Give me back my son and I'll do whatever you want.
 * A Friendly Man: What I want, Telly, is for you to forget your son. To forget Sam.
 * Telly: No.
 * A Friendly Man: If you don't, this experiment will fail. I'm accountable. I can't let that happen. And time is running out.
 * Telly: I won't help you.
 * A Friendly Man: There are worse things than forgetting.
 * Telly: No, there aren't.
 * A Friendly Man: You need to forget. You're different from the others.
 * Telly: Why?
 * A Friendly Man: It's better this way. You won't be haunted by his memory. You could have a life again. Now, I want you to go back to that first day in the hospital. To the first time you ever saw Sam. I need that first memory. Give me that first memory! That boy. What was his name?
 * Telly: What boy? I had life inside of me. I had life. I have a child. I have a son. I...have a son. His name is Sam, you son of a bitch.

 * Telly: I'm Telly. Sam's mom.
 * Ash: I'm Ash. I think we met before.

Taglines

 * You'll Never Forget The Ones You Love
 * On September 24 everything you've experienced, everything you've known, never happened.
 * Remember
 * On September 24, you will be forgotten.
 * Nothing can prepare you.

Cast

 * Julianne Moore - Telly Paretta
 * Christopher Kovaleski - Sam
 * Matthew Pleszewicz - Sam at age 5
 * Anthony Edwards - Jim Paretta
 * Jessica Hecht - Eliot
 * Gary Sinise - Dr. Jack Munce
 * Dominic West - Ash Correll
 * Linus Roache - A Friendly Man
 * Alfre Woodard - Det. Anne Pope

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User talk:71.237.232.208

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Ali Abdullah Saleh

Ali Abdullah Saleh (21 March 1942 – 4 December 2017) was a Yemeni politician who served as the first President of Yemen, from Yemeni unification on 22 May 1990 to his resignation on 25 February 2012, following the Yemeni Revolution. Previously, he had served as President of the Yemen Arab Republic, or North Yemen, from July 1978 to 22 May 1990, after the assassination of President Ahmad al-Ghashmi.

Quotes

 * You should continue carrying your arms, ready to sacrifice your lives in defence against these belligerent attacks
 * Referring to the Houthis (members of a rebel group) in Yemen, as quoted in "Will the Houthis abandon Ali Abdullah Saleh?" at english.alarabiya.net (4 June 2015)

 * Yemen is an essential partner of the United States of America and the international community in combating terror.
 * President Bush Welcomes President Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen to the White House (May 2007)

 * Ruling Yemen is hard. I always say it’s like dancing on the heads of snakes
 * The Man Who Danced on the Heads of Snakes Dec 2017)

Quotes about Saleh

 * The Yemeni people are well aware that Saleh and the Houthis did not turn against the government in a military coup, but turned against Yemen. Houthis arrest all the activists and throw them in jails illegally, and whereabouts of some of those detainees are unknown [he said noting the rebels arrest any activist who expresses his opinion in any means of social network will be held by them, and they arrest thousands of people]. They should work on building trust, release the detainees, stop media incitement and economic pressure, as they (the rebels) are attempting to tamper with the central bank and the future of the Yemeni people, without knowing the consequences of what they are doing.
 * Foreign Minister Abdul Malik Al Mikhlafi, while addressing media in Abu Dhabi, as quoted in "Saleh has no role in Yemen's future, says minister" in Khaleej Times (January 25, 2016)

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Wikiquote talk:Blocking policy

Officialized
Now Blocking policy is official. It is weird since we agreed on that already in the late 2005 (see /Archives/2007-04), though. Anyway, thank you for your all participation and interest! --Aphaia 07:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Need to revise?
In 2005 we seemed to agree on that we would treat IP equally either static or dynamic (see below), this agreement however seems not have reflected to the policy draft. Or once reflected, but later overridden unconciously.

''I think the static/dynamic idea was well-intended (as imported from WP, I imagine), but there are at least two basic problems with it:

 * ''1. With 0-2 (est.) sysops watching for vandalism at any given time, we don't have the luxury of many eyeballs to make it easy for someone to spend time doing 2- or 3-transaction queries of hierarchial whois DBs to figure out which is which.
 * ''2. The old idea of determining static/dynamic IPs is seriously out-of-date anyway. Most DHCP-assigned IPs stay with customers for months or even years (I've had the same one since I started on WP back in 2003), and many, possibly even most "fixed" IPs are actually hiding NAT-based networks of dynamic IPs behind them. Therefore, blocking a dynamic IP for an extended time may be completely reasonable, and blocking a fixed IP fo a day can cut off an entire company, school, or other organization. And there's no way we can tell for sure which applies.

''I support treating IPs uniformly unless and until someone complains, and even then trying to address the specific complaint before we worry about the larger implications. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

 * ''Oh, I agree: I believe policies should be descriptive, not proscriptive, since consensus is mostly marked by actions. In that vain, Kalki and UDScott also agree with you by their actions -- and the four of us are responsible for over 90% of the IP blocks :) I will modify the policy to more accurately describe current practice soon, and wait a while before marking it as official policy to give everybody time to object. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 04:26, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

 * Interesting information. I agree that we should treat IPs uniformly. iddo999 18:41, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

In the current policy WQ:BP says:
 * Sysops may, at their judgement, block IP addresses that vandalise Wikiquote. For dynamic IPs, such blocks should last 24 hours. For static IPs, such blocks should initially last 24 hours, but repeat violators may be blocked for a maximum of one month.

I confess I have never worried if a IP address is dynamic or static. I assume other my fellow sysops have done so. In our current practice, it is ordinary to put a three-days block or longer. I would therefore propose to reflect our current habit to the policy (since no one has groaned at our practice, we are okay to assume it acceptable), as following.
 * Sysops may, at their judgement, block IP addresses that vandalise Wikiquote. Such blocks should initially last 1 week or shorter; in most cases 24 hours duration is highly recommended . But Repeat violators may be blocked for a maximum of one year .

Since some sysops tend to put a week blocking, I rewrite the policy part reflecting the practice. If the community feel however it overreacting and prefer to go back to the first proposed initial set, 24 hours, I have no objection, since my own practice is "initially put 24 hours blocking or shorter". For "one year" extension, see the last month blocking on two IPs (cf. WQ:VP). --Aphaia 07:25, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree it needs to be changed, but I don't like the rough outlining... sysops should know how long they should block an IP already (ideally, before they become an admin). We really should treat them all as dynamic, except in cases of extreme vandalism, because IP address may change hands frequently (even static ones).  I would not object to this change, but I would rather leave it up to the sysops individually.  We should also check up on each other (like CUs), if I see someone block an IP for one year just for "vandalism", I would have to talk to them on their user talk page (unless there is a special reason they outlined in their sum, like "CU block" and it came with a further explanation on AN or VP).  Cbrown1023  talk

Viewpoint on block lengths
Realising I have been acting against policy with some blocks here I thought I ought to apologise and outline my views (policies?!) on the subject. Across wikis I do have a lot more experience than when I started but would appreciate others views. These refer only to initial blocks that are acceptable to me.

 * 1) Indefinite blocks.  Only and always given to highly disruptive named users.  Page move, obscenity, attack accounts would be the main issue.  Additionally such accounts should always be CU'd (the main use of it IMO) as there will frequently be a history or an open proxy revealed.  A question here might be accounts that are blocked elsewhere that then create an account here.  On en Books I have both blocked such accounts on sight, watched then warned then blocked on behaviour and also merely watched - it is the behaviour that matters to me.
 * 2) One year and greater blocks.  IPs only that are open proxies.  En wp blocks these indefinitely, given the changing nature of the internet I now see this as incorrect.  En books some block for 2 or 5 years depending on the admin.  Personally I see 1 year as reasonable and use this "policy" across wikis.
 * 3) 3/6 month blocks.  IPs only.  Any initial block of this length would only be placed if there is substantial cross wiki evidence of disruption or vandalism.  The sources I use would be internet blacklists, other wikis block logs and searching the CU log.  It would be unusual to place a block of this length initially (a month would be more normal for me) but would depend on the evidence.
 * 4) In passing I always block spambots (www/index type pages creators) or those who insert large numbers of spam links for a week on the first offence and a month on the second.  Frankly it is quicker than placing tags and still gives a lasting history.  If I found the same IP placing links or creating pages across wikis in one "attack" I might go for a longer initial block.
 * 1) 3/6 month blocks.  IPs only.  Any initial block of this length would only be placed if there is substantial cross wiki evidence of disruption or vandalism.  The sources I use would be internet blacklists, other wikis block logs and searching the CU log.  It would be unusual to place a block of this length initially (a month would be more normal for me) but would depend on the evidence.
 * 2) In passing I always block spambots (www/index type pages creators) or those who insert large numbers of spam links for a week on the first offence and a month on the second.  Frankly it is quicker than placing tags and still gives a lasting history.  If I found the same IP placing links or creating pages across wikis in one "attack" I might go for a longer initial block.
 * 1) In passing I always block spambots (www/index type pages creators) or those who insert large numbers of spam links for a week on the first offence and a month on the second.  Frankly it is quicker than placing tags and still gives a lasting history.  If I found the same IP placing links or creating pages across wikis in one "attack" I might go for a longer initial block.

I see almost all other blocks as being incremental based on behaviour and the admin's view. However I might look at en wp to see if an IP that is vandalising is on a long block there in which case a starter block of 24 hours say seems a little pointless - they know what they are doing.

I'm sure I've missed something but I hope others will look at this and criticise or support (or both). Thanks for your time -- Herby talk thyme 08:07, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for bringing it up, Herby. Please give a look to the mailing list thread about blocking too, there you may find input from other editors, specially CU investigation related blocking and also blocking referring to the known behavior on the other projects.

As for open proxies. From my experience on Japanese Wikipedia, sometimes even one year is too long. Open proxies are shifting and most of proxies move to other websites, or they were unfortunate zombie machines and later fixed. Currently the average duration for open proxies on Japanese Wikipedia is 6 months.

So my conclusions for initial block duration are not so different from yours --- 24 hours for most cases, but if it is too much obvious disruptions or known as a hardened soul either on this project already or on the other projects, blocking for months are okay. I agree with you on the reference to their action is useful, but on the other hand I think it still okay, to put 24 hour blocking without reviewing their actions on the other projects. So the comparison with Wikipedia edits (for example) could be an option but must not a must. Anyway we all aware that IP addresses and people behind those are not necessarily identical. Also, if they are just going mad and normally behave on a good faith, even 24 hour blocking might be too long, specially without precedent warning. Cheers, --Aphaia 12:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Draft for new revision
See Blocking policy/Draft and feel free to edit. I tried to corporate the suggestions on the above, but I may have missed some important elements. Comments will be also welcome. Thanks! --Aphaia 01:32, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * For the convenience, I moved Cbrown1023's comments to the draft talk. --Aphaia 13:09, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My comments on the talk page of the draft - thanks (Herby)

As stated on Wikiquote talk:Blocking policy/Draft, the policy is officially revised with endorsements from the community members. Further information of the new revisions is found at Wikiquote talk:Blocking policy/Draft. Thank you for your attention and feedback until today :) --Aphaia 07:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Nutshell
Shouldn't this page be in a nutshell? The one in Wikipedia is in a nutshell. How come this isn't? StevenMario 18:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
 * What is a nutshell? Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:47, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

English Wikiquote blocking policy regarding socks
Please join the discussion English Wikiquote blocking policy regarding socks. Thanks in advance, Ottawahitech (talk) 17:53, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

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Hello and thanks for your article on Alan Alda. However, at the risk of biting newbies, can you please bear two things in mind: we need to have our articles in a standard format (see for example Clement Freud), and we cannot use blogs as a reliable source. Best wishes and we look forward to your future contributions.--Cato 08:08, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
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The Million Dollar Hotel

The Million Dollar Hotel is a 2000 American drama film based on a concept story by Bono and Nicholas Klein.
 * Directed by Wim Wenders. Written by Bono and Nicholas Klein

Everyone has something to hide.

 * [Those are the words spoken by Tom Tom in the last scene of the film Million Dollar Hotel. Eloise walks into his bedroom, touches his things so to remember him. So to never forget him. She read book and sit in the window as he used to. In the background of Tom Toms' words is Bono singing song The Ground Beneath Her Feet with it's lyrics written by Salman Rushdie ]

Tom Tom

 * The heart is a sleeping beauty and love the only kiss it can't resist. Even if its eyes lay open wide, there is a heart that sleeps inside. And it's to there you must be hastening. For all hearts dream, they dream only of awakening.
 * Wow, after I jumped it occurred to me, life is perfect, life is the best. It's full of magic, beauty, opportunity, and television, and surprises, lots of surprises, yeah. And then there's that stuff that everybody longs for, but they only real feel when it's gone. All that just kinda hit me. I guess you don't really see it all clearly when you're - ya know - alive.

Stanley Goldkiss

 * The truth is the explanation that most people want to buy.

Detective Skinner
Detective Skinner: No matter how strange or despicable you act, I can do one better, because I work for the government!

Dialogue

 * Detective Skinner: Special Agent Skinner. I'm a detective.
 * Dixie: You got some Oragel? This fucking cavity's going into my brain. Morphine, Motrin, Tylenol, anything? Come on, you call yourself a dentist?
 * Detective Skinner: Detective. Teeth, gums, gingivitis are out of my line.

 * Dixie: Since I wasn't officially in the band, you know how it goes, it ain't easy.
 * Detective Skinner: Yeah, sure. That's not exactly why I'm here. Israel Goldkiss was pushed from the roof. That makes you a suspect.
 * Dixie: Jesus bleeding Christ! Are you paying attention? I'm talking The Beatles, here. The Fab Four. John understood. That's why they had him killed, you know? Now they're trying to kill me, because they finally realised who's behind all those songs. But I ain't seen no royalties.
 * Detective Skinner: Yeah, that's tough. But either you cooperate, or I book you.
 * Dixie: I've been doing nothing but cooperate my whole fucking life. That's what it's all about to be in a band. I'm not saying they weren't creatively involved... but most of the time, they were off with that Maharishi. You know, India, whatever, you know. There I was, all alone in the studio with my brilliant ideas... Thank God I had George Martin. George... Oh, that album in particular, we grew together like this, me and George.

 * Eloise: So, why do you like me so much anyway?
 * Tom Tom: I don't know.
 * Eloise: Tom Tom, you know... you can't always say 'yes' or 'no' or 'I don't know'... you know... There must be a reason. And it would be nice to know what it is. So why don't you think about it and I'll wait.
 * Tom Tom: Love can never be portrayed the same way as a tree or the sea, or any other mystery. It's the eyes, with which we see. It's the sinner in the saint. It's the light inside the paint.

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User talk:155.198.112.91

Hi. I wanted to ask you to sign comments in talk pages. The easiest way to sign is to add ~ at the end -- it is automatically transformed to your IP address with a timestamp or, if you register, to a username and a timestamp. This makes it much easier to track discussions, and is the common practice here. Thanks. I'll later research if the quote you mentioned really belongs to him, Ghandi.

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User talk:Daniel Mayer

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Saiyuki

 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: Delete.  Cbrown1023  talk  20:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Saiyuki
Source & notability unknown. Saiyuki itself is notable; it is the Japanese title of a famous Chinese classic novel, known as Journey to the West in English. So it should be relevant to this novel, but here is our problem. It is probably an English translation either official or fansub of a Japanese adoptation (either manga or manga), but we have no clue to determine the exact version and no one has given such. There are many adoptations in manga, anime and TV shows in Japanese (see ja:w:西遊記)! User:McNoddy claimed it should be taken from Saiyuki (manga), one of recent loose adoptions (in the late 1990s) published in Japan, but his reason seems to me very weak; he judged so because "main characters ... are mentioned in the Wikipdia article (of Saiyuki (manga))", but it should apply for all other adoptations too, so it isn't a good argument in my opinion. Since it seems to be copyrighted as modern adoptation and since its creation no one has shown interest and capability to clean it up, I think we are better to remove it once completely due to its obscure sourcing.--Aphaia 10:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 11:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Delete unless the source is determined and at least a few quotes are properly cited. --Aphaia 10:31, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Delete unless properly sourced and cleaned up.--Jusjih 13:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete, per nom. ~ UDScott 13:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 20:11, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

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