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First words of Armstrong on stepping onto lunar surface
I don't think it is debated - it is pretty well accepted that NA did not say 'a' - NASA initially tried to claim that he did, and that static obscured it, but it is appratent from the initial recording that there is no time for him to have said it. I'd like to make this clear on the page.209.102.125.182 03:52, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)
 * I do not really know much of the official NASA actions on the matter. I do know that Armstrong in interviews has declared he said it. Concievably there was a slip of the tongue… an inaudible aspiration of "a" before man. I personally think he flubbed it whatever the case, but it truly is an extremely minor matter compared to the accomplishment represented. Kalki 21:32, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

The first comment above is correct - there is quite clearly a smooth glide and no gap betwen "for" and "man" -- no room at all for an "a" -- and Armstrong's abrupt change of tone of voice immediately afterwards also hints that he was aware of his blunder. All this having been said, the fact that Armstrong blew his line delights me, because it reveals the presence of a human being, not just a NASA-programmed robot. The line is spectacularly pretentious and a glaringly obvious product of a committee (or at least the selectee of a committee), and was delivered as if intoned by a bored priest chanting an over-familiar liturgy; much more appropriate to the occasion might have been something improvised along the line of, "Yippeee! We made it!"
 * Which is why "Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed." is so much better 83.151.224.154 09:57, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

On NASA's web site are several video editings of the live television images of Armstrong's first step. Armstrong's feet and the lunar surface are actually off-camera - the step onto the surface is actually not visible - so several edits of the video rearrange sound and image, such that Armstrong appears to utter the famous words right after he jumps off the ladder, as if onto the lunar surace -- when in actual fact he jumped from the ladder to the Lunar Module's footpad, stood there for some time, and then stepped onto the moon's surface and uttered the words. NASA appears to have tried to create a more visually dramatic moment by rearranging history a bit; further suggesting that NASA's comments on Armstrong's line are not to be trusted.
 * I know that the controversy will probably never be settled to everyone's satisfaction… and that it does sound like he says "step for man"; but without positing the idea that there were any gaps in tansmission (which I doubt could be the case) there are people (including myself) who often fail to fully aspirate and enunciate words: and I can see where he could have said "for a man" in a way in which the "for a" were so blended together with the "a" not fully expressed, that mentally he thought he said it clearly enough, while vocally he didn't. It remains a historic flub, whatever the case, but amidst a far more historic accomplishment. ~ Kalki 01:16, 27 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Does it matter whether he pronounced the "a"? What if he had a stammer and said "one g-g-giant leap" — would we reproduce the stammer when quoting him? What if he swallowed the terminal t (a problem some people have with certain orthodontic appliances) so that it sounded like "one gian leap" — would we omit or bracket the t when quoting him? It's clear what words he was thinking and intended to say. Quotes don't generally reproduce little flubs in pronunciation. Why should this be an exception? Capedia 10:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Further quotes from Neil Armstrong
"I think we are going to the Moon because it is in the nature of the human being to face challenges. It's by the nature of his deep inner soul. We're required to do these things just as salmon swim upstream" Quoted by James R. Hansen in First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong, page 399.

information regarding fuel in lunar module at completion of its descent
I had originally included information on assertions that as little as 11 seconds of fuel might have remained in the Lunar Module on completion of its descent, but did not insist on retaining that when other information became available. I did restore information in the comments to provide a greater sense of the context of Armstrong's comment, in relation to the tensions and dangers of which he and Mission Control were well aware:

 * Houston, Tranquility Base here. The Eagle has landed.
 * First words from the Apollo 11 Lunar Landing Module Eagle after guiding the craft to a landing on the moon at 4:17pm EDT (20 July 1969). As reported in "For Neil Armstrong, the First Moon Walker, It Was All about Landing the Eagle" at Scientific American by Andrew Chaikin (17 July 2009)  he had already received the warning that there was less than 30 seconds worth of fuel left in the lunar module before a mandatory abort, and it is estimated he had less than 20 seconds of fuel left when he touched down and turned off the engines.

I believe that such comments below the quote should be restored, but am placing them here for further discussion, because there have been other opinions expressed, and I don't have either the time or desire to engage in any intense edit disputes at this time. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 18:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Official reports which have been cited now indicate he may have had 47 seconds of fuel left, but regardless of this, he was fast approaching a point where it would have been his instructions to abort the landing mission — something he himself had privately estimated beforehand had perhaps only a 50-50 chance of success — despite a confidence he had that the astronaut crew had a 90% chance of safely returning to Earth. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 19:06, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

"One small step" merger entirely appropriate
I fully agree with that the page One small step, recently created by  should be merged here. There are longstanding policies or guidelines in effect against quotes having their own pages, even though this one has innovated by branching into quotes about the quote. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 21:13, 19 May 2011 (UTC) + tweaks
 * Okay, I'm new here, so I won't be a dick about it if I've broken policy. It just seemed like one of those quotes where it has become such a widely-used trope that it might be worth breaking convention for. But, again, I'm the newbie here, so if I've broken policy, feel free to redirect or whatever. Tom Morris 22:11, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Your attempts to contribute are quite welcome, and have brought to light some aspects of things which were not apparent before. The habits or practices which have become custom or policy here or anywhere should be reviewed when there are innovations that have not been previously considered, that are yet to be examined. I thank you for your efforts. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 22:38, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be rather awkward to put all those quotes under Neil Armstrong; they are, for the most part, not commenting on him at all, but on the quote itself. BD2412 T 13:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
 * The merge target I originally suggested was not well thought out, but I had an ulterior motive in suggesting this page be reconsidered: I think that a page of "quotes about a quote" sets a problematic precedent. (Consider, hypothetically, what might happen if a prominent politician said something stupid or controversial, if that possibility is not too farfetched.) It is a defining characteristic of famous quotations that many people refer and allude to them. I don't think we should have pages full of references to famous quotes because (a) it invites the addition of derivative remarks that are not quotable in themselves (quotability is not inherited), and (b) where they are quoteworthy it would be better to put them on a theme page about the subject of the original quote and/or a page about the author or work making the reference. In this case I was mistaken to suggest the Armstrong page because he is not really the subject of the quotes. The Heinlein quote is already on the author page, and it could also be included on a page about Space exploration. (I can hardly believe we don't already have one. I guess that shows how much enthusiasm for the idea has faded.) The Hillary quote needs context to be meaningful, and I am not sure what to do with it. Is it actually widely quoted? The allusions listed under "Variants and references" do not really seem quoteworthy outside the articles on the quoted works. If they are quotable enough to include there (on which I am not expressing an opinion) it may be appropriate to include a note on the quote to which they allude. ~ Ningauble 16:37, 6 June 2011

There can be no great accomplishment without risk
I removed this from the article, because though it may sound like a plausible remark, it seems to have begun to appear on the internet around 2012 without any clear citations as to original sources. It has appeared in printed books a couple times since then, but without citation, and with no mention of Bardeen being involved. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 18:15, 9 December 2014 (UTC)
 * There can be no great accomplishment without risk.
 * In response to being told that John Bardeen had strongly opposed the space program and had advised Kennedy not to go to the moon due to the high risks involved.
 * I wasn't sure how to source it, but he said this at a conference in 2012, my father was the one who asked him the question. ~ 132.70.66.9 15:23, 20 November 2017 (UTC) RoonilWazlib 17:22, 20, November 2017

spam
"Peter Shann Ford, a computer programmer based in Sydney, Australia, whose company Control Bionics helps physically handicapped people to use their own nerve impulses to communicate through computers, indicated" should be truncated to remove the irrelevant advertisement: "Peter Shann Ford, a computer programmer based in Sydney, Australia, indicated" or even shorter.
 * Okay. ~ Ningauble (talk) 17:00, 24 July 2019 (UTC)

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Nancy Peters

Nancy Joyce Peters (born October 3, 1936) is an American author, publisher and co-owner with Lawrence Ferlinghetti of the City Lights Bookstore.

1970s

 * The tempest unleashes an alphabet letters fall through the apertures of crazy angles to spell out the future uprooting the course of invention  and enslaving the masters
 * It's In the Wind (1977) "Ceremonies In A Polar Garden"

 * I'm looking for the binding energy of a look a crop of reflections to be reaped in a winter of thorn when icebergs of illusion will melt to be served at high tea and the spaces between the poles pinned down
 * It's In the Wind (1977) "Ceremonies In A Polar Garden"

 * The stars are dreaming but they are laughing I see myself in the smile of a polar bear while turning the pages of an arctic sky reading the delirious lines that foretell the sovereignty of language and the rule of invisible birds
 * It's In the Wind (1977) "Ceremonies In A Polar Garden"

1990s

 * Lawrence is usually the first poet kids read in schools that they really like. It's a real turn-on for them.
 * Edward Epstein, "S.F. Finds Its Voice", San Francisco Chronicle, 1998-08-12.
 * On Laurence Ferlinghetti becoming San Francisco's first poet laureate.

2000s

 * We have one called Commodity Aesthetics, which is our section on popular culture.
 * "Beat Establishment: City Lights Bookstore May Be Named San Francisco Landmark", CNN, 2000-06-25. : On book categories in City Lights bookshop.

 * The most important of the beat poets. He was a really true poet with an original voice, probably the most lyrical of those poets.
 * Carol Ness, "Beat Poet Gregory Corso, 70, Dies of Cancer", San Francisco Chronicle, 2001-01-18. : On Gregory Corso.

 * The old San Francisco is under attack to the point where it's disappearing
 * Simon Davis, "'Beat city' fights dotcom gold rush", The Daily Telegraph, 2001-06-19. : After City Lights was granted landmark status to prevent its eviction by a computer company.

 * Maybe a thousand dollars
 * Shawn Hubler, "At 50, City Lights illuminates the past", Oakland Tribune/Los Angeles Times on findarticles.com, 2003-06-15. : On City Lights' profits for the year.

 * When I joined City Lights in 1971 and started working with Lawrence, it was clear that it had been very much a center of protest, for people with revolutionary ideas and people who wanted to change society. And when I first began working at the little editorial office up on Filbert and Grant, people that Lawrence had known through the whole decade of the '60s were dropping in all the time, like Paul Krassner, Tim Leary, people who were working with underground presses and trying to provide an alternative to mainstream media. This was a period of persecution, and FBI infiltration of those presses.
 * "And the beat goes on", San Francisco Chronicle, 2003-06-09.

 * Ginsberg used to stay in the publishing house. Our editorial office had two rooms and a kitchen; it was a tiny place. And one of the rooms was kind of a guest room so that visiting authors could stay there. Allen would come sometimes for a week at a time or more. And he hung out in the store, also. The store had become quite a center for writers by that time. Ginsberg was working on "The Fall of America," which was his long chronicle of the Vietnam War, which is full of the anguish and passion and anger that so many people felt. The war had been going on for such a long time by then. That book won the National Book Award [in 1974].
 * "And the beat goes on", San Francisco Chronicle, 2003-06-09.

 * Then (in 1981) we did a book by Geoffrey Rips called "Unamerican Activities," which was a documentation of the subversion of the underground press. That was when the Freedom of Information Act made those files available. We were shocked, we couldn't believe that our government had been bombing people, infiltrating their organizations. In fact, I think one of the files listed Lawrence as a "beatnik rabble-rouser."
 * "And the beat goes on", San Francisco Chronicle, 2003-06-09.

 * During the '70s, when the Cold War was still on, we invited Voznesensky and Yevtushenko to come here. We had very large readings for them. It was a way of kind of culturally thawing the Cold War.
 * "And the beat goes on", San Francisco Chronicle, 2003-06-09.

 * The mood of the '50s is like today.
 * "City Lights' silver lining", Publishers Weekly, 2003-07-14. : Referring to the prosecution and acquital of Alan Ginsberg's book of poems, Howl, for obscenity in 1957.

 * We're still in a state of shock … We have our "Dump Bush and Cheney" sign in the window, which Lawrence [Ferlinghetti] painted himself. We're looking forward to impeachment or perhaps, indictments for war crimes.
 * "Angry, resigned and motivated -- artists reflect on next four years", San Francisco Chronicle, 2004-11-09.

 * He found in the narcotic night world a kind of modern counterpart to the gothic castle — a zone of peril to be symbolically or existentially crossed.
 * "Philip Lamantia — S.F. Surrealist poet", San Francisco Chronicle, 2005-03-11.: On her late husband, the poet Philip Lamantia.

Quotes about Nancy Joyce Peters

 * She is one of the best literary editors in the country and is why City Lights Books has grown and done well.
 * Lawrence Ferlinghetti, "Tracing the public surface" by Ray González, The Bloomsbury Review, Vol. 23, #2, 2003.

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User:Dandrake

Just a casual contributor, but I much prefer to have a username. (Same one as on  Wikipedia, on which I spend more time.)  So I might as well get my signatures out of red type by putting something in this page.

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The quote on cinema would be more appropriate under a theme page of cinema, or movies, or within a page on the author, not one with a banner headline of its own. It is an interesting quote, worthy of attention, even though I might contend against its casual extremity: Reality is far more than appearances, and yet also far more than a mass hallucination or group delusion. To think otherwise is a personal delusion. —Kalki 23:11, 18 Dec 2003 (UTC)

 * To say that "[t]o think otherwise is a personal delusion" is either based on a misinterpretation of her meaning of which it is hard to conceive being other than deliberate (she is clearly referring to the "world of the senses") or ignoring the primary philosophical trends since the time of Plato. This is characteristic of the unsupported and supportable attacks, from this point of view, on surrealists, idealists and idealists, and the attempts to fight them in a number of different ways, most relevant here being commitment to mental hospitals or other attempts at psychiatric repression for ideological purposes, without any idea that they are "mentally ill", something that didn't just happen in the USSR, doesn't just happen in the PRC, but happens in the USA right now.  --Daniel C. Boyer 20:18, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

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