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Talk:Organized crime

Work in progress
Before considering this article for deletion please read following.

This article is a work in progress; started 15 February. This article will soon be; - Wikified. In the correct fashion - Links will be made to both Wikipedia and Wikiquote where appropriate - Actual Quotes will be put in - A more substantial list of both mobsters and films will be added all with quotes

This, as it stands, is the basic outline and start of what will become a proffessional page of quotes about the mafia, organized crime and related subjects.

I am aware there is no John Gotti or Carmine Galante, Carlo Gambino or Hymie Wiess there yet. Nor is there Rudy Giuliani or a number of others that should be: they will be.

Thankyou for your patience. -- Alexbonaro 12:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh... and also. For each person, film or character sited there will be a brief appropriate description. -- Alexbonaro 12:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

 * I rearranged the sections and reformatted them based on Wikiquote guidelines. Specifically, I divided the article in "sourced" and "attributed", or unsourced, quotes. By sourcing, we mean the citation of a publication or publically-available recording from a reliable source that can be verified by Wikiquote editors. For print, this means book title or magazine, article name, and publication date. For film, titles usually suffice if they can be found on IMDb. For TV shows, the episode name should be included. For websites, an external link should be provided (but try to use a reliable website, not a discussion forum or individual's website). I would recommend against creating additional subtopics unless and until we actually have quotes for them. One of the primary benefits of wikis is the fluid nature of article organization, which is why we have a general principle of not creating structure until the corresponding content requires it. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:28, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

+ Looks good. I'll start adding quotes. Thanks for the help. Giuseppe 01:43, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Possible vandalism
Umm, how do I get rid of the changes this guy made. It appears that just a load of stuff was deleted and only two quotes added. Was this vandalism or a mistake? I'm not too bothered but i don't know how to change it back without having to retype it.

Deleted:
 * Scarface
 * Blow
 * Untouchables
 * Donnie Brasco
 * All the mobsters quotes from Attributed.

Is there a short way that i can just revert the page to how it was at my last edit.

Also, do we not have a sandbox that new users should try out first.

Thanks, --Giuseppe 14:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I just realized how bad this guys edits were. Come on... "Bagodonuts and Pensandpencils"... is that meant to be a joke.

David Duke is an authority on Organized Crime?
David Duke is now an authority on Organized Crime and the Russian Mafia in particular? Especially making baseless racial statements about it? Does that quote have any actual place here at all? This is Organized Crime, not Idiots Doing What They Do Best. I'm editing it out.

Willie Sutton
The New York Times says: Apparently there's some doubt. I've ordered his memoirs to see what he says about it, but they might not be entirely accurate. Will Beback  talk    05:54, 18 February 2011 (UTC)
 * When asked why he robbed banks, he famously replied, Because that's where the money is. It didn't matter that he said he never uttered the phrase.
 * Thanks for looking into it. If possible, it would be good to cite the newspaper that originally made the attribution as well as the memoir that denies it. This quote is famous enough to justify a separate article for Willie Sutton with a single disputed quote. ~ Ningauble 14:57, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced

 * I've seen many lives destroyed. I've seen more people have problems with gambling than I have with drugs and alcohol. And there are some serious consequences if you get in over your head. ~ Michael Franzese

 * "If you have a lot of what people want and can't get, then you can supply the demand and shovel in the dough." ~ Lucky Luciano

 * You can get much further with a kind word and a gun then you can with a kind word alone. ~ Al Capone

 * Q: "Willie, why do you rob banks?" A: "Cause that's where the money is." ~ Willie Sutton

 * There are three sides to every story. Mine, yours and the truth. ~ Joe Massino

 * At the end of the day we're all gonna die in jail ~ Vincent Basciano

 * A fish with his mouth closed never get's caught ~ [Unknown]

 * A little violence never hurt anyone ~ Benjamin Ruggiero

 * I'm in the Gotti family; my wife's the boss ~ John Gotti after being questioned by reporters whether or not he was the boss of the Gambino crime family

 * This life of ours, this is a wonderful life. If you can get through life like this, hey, thats great. But it's very, very unpredictable. There are so many ways you can screw it up. Paul Castellano

 * Wherever there's opportunity, the mafia will be there. ~ Johnny Kelly

 * We cannot allow this country [Afghanistan] to be influenced by mafia and narcotics-related activities. It kills our economy. It destroys our reputation. So we are going to work against it. ~ Hamid Karzai

 * State and federal law enforcement authorities estimate the Genovese group’s core membership at between 250 and 300, with well over 1,000 criminal associates. ~ NJSCI

 * Law enforcement experts estimate that the name-sake organization of the late Carlo Gambino currently consists of approximately 150-200 members and as many as 1,500-2,000 associates. ~ NJSCI

 * Despite the assaults by law enforcement and the apparent slowdown in membership recruitment, law enforcement authorities estimate the Lucchese group still consists of from 110 to 140 members, with approximately 50 members active in New Jersey. The organization has at least 1,100 associates engaged in criminal activity ~ NJSCI

 * The Colombo family’s current strength is estimated at approximately 112 members and 500 associates. ~ NJSCI

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Organized crime

Organized crime is a category of transnational, national, or local groupings of highly centralized enterprises run by criminals to engage in illegal activity, most commonly for profit. Some criminal organizations, such as terrorist groups, rebel forces, white supremacists, and separatists, are politically motivated. Sometimes criminal organizations force people to do business with them, such as when a gang extorts money from shopkeepers for "protection". Gangs may often be deemed organized crime groups or, under stricter definitions of organized crime, may become disciplined enough to be considered organized. A criminal organization can also be referred to as a gang, mafia, mob, ring, or syndicate; the network, subculture, and community of criminals may be referred to as the underworld.

Quotes

 * That is why despite its imperfections, the European Union can be, and indeed is, a powerful inspiration for many around the world. Because the challenges faced from one region to the other may differ in scale but they do not differ in nature. We all share the same planet. Poverty, organised crime, terrorism, climate change: these are problems that do not respect national borders. We share the same aspirations and universal values: these are progressively taking root in a growing number of countries all over the world. We share “l’irréductible humain”, the irreducible uniqueness of the human being. Beyond our nation, beyond our continent, we are all part of one mankind. Jean Monnet, ends his Memoirs with these words: “Les nations souveraines du passé ne sont plus le cadre où peuvent se résoudre les problèmes du présent. Et la communauté elle-même n’est qu’un étape vers les formes d’organisation du monde de demain.” (“The sovereign nations of the past can no longer solve the problems of the present. And the [European] Community itself is only a stage on the way to the organised world of the future.”) This federalist and cosmopolitan vision is one of the most important contributions that the European Union can bring to a global order in the making.
 * José Manuel Barroso, Nobel Peace Prize Lecture of the European Union, 10 December 2012

 * If you look into the history of what is called the CIA, which means the US White House, its secret wars, clandestine warfare, the trail of drug production just follows. It started in France after the Second World War when the United States was essentially trying to reinstitute the traditional social order, to rehabilitate Fascist collaborators, wipe out the Resistance and destroy the unions and so on. The first thing they did was reconstitute the Mafia, as strikebreakers or for other such useful services. And the Mafia doesn't do it for fun, so there was a tradeoff: Essentially, they allowed them to reinstitute the heroin production system, which had been destroyed by the Fascists. The Fascists tended to run a pretty tight ship; they didn't want any competition, so they wiped out the Mafia. But the US reconstituted it, first in southern Italy, and then in southern France with the Corsican Mafia. That's where the famous French Connection comes from. That was the main heroin center for many years. Then US terrorist activities shifted over to Southeast Asia. If you want to carry out terrorist activities, you need local people to do it for you, and you also need secret money to pay for it, clandestine hidden money. Well, if you need to hire thugs and murderers with secret money, there aren't many options. One of them is the drug connection. The so-called Golden Triangle around Burma, Laos and Thailand became a big drug producing area with the help of the United States, as part of the secret wars against those populations.
 * Noam Chomsky, Interview by John Veit in High Times, April 1998

 * When Bobby Kennedy went after organized crime in the early 1960s, one of the things he learned was that the Mafia had a series of rituals new members went through to declare their loyalty and promise they’d never turn away from their new benefactors. Once in, they’d be showered with money and protection, but they could never leave and even faced serious problems if they betrayed the syndicate.
 * Thom Hartmann in Krysten Sinema is the Epitome of Political Corruption, Thom Hartmann, CounterPunch, October 14, 2021

 * The states in America replaced the Mafia as the proprietor of the numbers game.
 * Charlie Munger, (quote at 4:32:40 of 5:42:25)

 * A very interesting report on the London property market as a refuge for secret assets and dirty money – published in March 2015 by Transparency UK – spoke of money coming from corruption or corrupt individuals, without ever mentioning the word “”; nor did it ever mention “organised crime”. The reason is simple: with the exception of a few very rare cases, in the UK the mafia is not something that you can see or hear. There aren’t dead bodies on the streets, or shootings. In Mexico or in Italy, between corpses, blood and drug seizures it’s impossible to think that the Mafia doesn’t exist. In Italy and in Mexico Mafia is loud and it smells of blood. In London, as in Paris, it exists, but it’s quiet, it acts in the dark. And most of all it doesn’t have the pungent smell of blood, but the reassuring smell of money. It’s not true that money doesn’t smell, it does smell indeed, but you definitely can’t rely on your sense of smell to identify criminal money.
 * Roberto Saviano, Dirty Money in London event (May 31, 2016), translated by Claudia Colvin.

 * In silence, illegal assets are moving around and undermining our economy and our democracies. In silence. But it doesn’t stop here; organised crime is providing us with a winning economic model. Organised crime is the only segment of global economy to have not been affected by the financial crisis; to have profited from the crisis, to have fed on the crisis, to have contributed to the crisis. And it’s in the crisis that it finds its satellite activities, such as usury, gambling, counterfeiting. But the most important – and most alarming – aspect of this issue is that it’s exactly in times of crisis that criminal organisations find their safe haven in banks.
 * Roberto Saviano, Dirty Money in London event (May 31, 2016), translated by Claudia Colvin.

 * Have you ever asked yourselves why Mafias from all over the world are constantly opening restaurants, cafes or shops? Because this type of commercial activity has huge amounts of cash coming in. A Mafioso businessman’s number one priority is not to make money, but to hand out receipts in order to justify money that he already has. In Italy, where tax avoidance is extremely high, we know that when a shopkeeper is reluctant to give you a receipt he or she is almost definitely committing an offence, but almost definitely not a Mafioso. Businesses run by the Mafia will always give you a receipt. And the, in the years of the wavering ruble, safely stored away its money in London’s luxury homes, fuelling London’s property bubble with dirty money. The fictitious buying and selling of property is one of organised crime’s favourite ways of laundering money. ... This is how entire neighbourhoods in London are becoming unoccupied, turning into investments’ empty spaces. Money moves in, and people move out.
 * Roberto Saviano, Dirty Money in London event (May 31, 2016), translated by Claudia Colvin.

Blow

 * Danbury wasn't a prison, it was a crime school. I went in with a Bachelor of marijuana, came out with a Doctorate of cocaine. ~ George Jung.

Casino

 * A lot of holes in the desert, and a lot of problems are buried in those holes. But you gotta do it right. I mean, you gotta have the hole already dug before you show up with a package in the trunk. Otherwise, you're talking about a half-hour to forty-five minutes worth of digging. And who knows who's gonna come along in that time? Pretty soon, you gotta dig a few more holes. You could be there all fuckin' night. ~ Nicky Santoro.

Donnie Brasco

 * When they send for you, you go in alive, you come out dead, and it's your best friend that does it. ~ Benjamin "Lefty" Ruggiero.

 * When I introduce you, I'm gonna say, "This is a friend of mine." That means you're a connected guy. Now if I said instead, "this is a friend of ours", that would mean you a made guy. Capice? ~ Benjamin "Lefty" Ruggiero.

The Godfather

 * [Luca Brasi's bulletproof vest is delivered with a fish inside]
 * What the hell is this? ~ Sonny Corleone
 * It's a Sicilian message. It means Luca Brasi sleeps with the fishes. ~ Pete Clemenza.

 * I don't like violence, Tom. I'm a businessman; blood is a big expense. ~ Virgil Sollozzo.

The Godfather: Part II

 * There are many things my father taught me here in this room. He taught me: keep your friends close, but your enemies closer. ~ Michael Corleone.

 * I make him an offer he don't refuse ~ Vito Corleone.

The Godfather: Part III

 * Never hate your enemies. It affects your judgement. ~ Michael Corleone.

 * You know, Michael; now that you're so respectable, I think you're more dangerous than ever. I liked you better when you were just a common Mafia hood. ~ Kay Adams/Corleone.

 * The richest man is the one with the most powerful friends ~ Don Altobello.

Goodfellas

 * And when the cops, when they assigned a whole army to stop Jimmy, what'd he do? He made 'em partners ~ Henry Hill.

 * All they got from Paulie was protection from other guys looking to rip them off. That's what it's all about. That's what the FBI can never understand - that what Paulie and the organization offer is protection for the kinds of guys who can't go to the cops. They're like the police department for wiseguys. ~ Henry Hill.

 * For most of the guys, killing's got to be accepted. Murder was the only way that everybody stayed in line. You got out of line, you got whacked. Everybody knew the rules. But sometimes, even if people didn't get out of line, they got whacked. I mean, hits just became a habit for some of the guys. Guys would get into arguments over nothing and before you knew it, one of them was dead. And they were shooting each other all the time. Shooting people was a normal thing. It was no big deal. ~ Henry Hill.

Scarface

 * Don't get high on your own supply. ~ Elvira Hancock

The Sopranos

 * I'm in the waste management business. Everybody immediately assumes you're mobbed up. It's a stereotype, and it's offensive. ~ Tony Soprano.

 * There is no Mafia. ~ Tony Soprano.

The Untouchables

 * You can get further with a kind word and a gun than you can with just a kind word. ~ Al Capone.

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The "fools" quote
This site attributes the fools quote:

"People do not wish to appear foolish; to avoid the appearance of foolishness, they are willing to remain actually fools." --Alice Walker (All the Woman Are White, All the Blacks Are Men, But Some of Us are Brave by Hull, Scott & Smith)

Amazon says the book's title is But Some Of Us Are Brave : All the Women Are White, All the Blacks Are Men: Black Women's Studies, but I do not own the book and cannot verify the quote as sourced. --Fang Aili 16:44, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced

 * Life is better than death, I believe, if only because it is less boring, and because it has fresh peaches in it.

 * People do not wish to appear foolish; to avoid the appearance of foolishness, they are willing to remain actually fools.

 * No person is your friend who demands your silence, or denies your right to grow.

 * I try to teach my heart not to want things it can't have.

 * Don't wait around for other people to be happy for you. Any happiness you get you've got to make yourself.

 * Look closely at the present you are constructing: it should look like the future you are dreaming.

 * Activism is my rent for living on the planet.

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Layer Cake (film)

Layer Cake is a 2004 film. The film is set in London, and focuses on an unnamed successful cocaine dealer (represented in the credits as XXXX, played by Daniel Craig). At only 29, he has a respected place amongst England's criminal underworld, and is secretly planning to retire from the business.

 * ''Directed by Matthew Vaughn. Written by J. J. Connolly

XXXX

 * When I was born, the world was a far simpler place. It was all just cops and robbers.

 * Always remember that one day all this drug monkey business will be legal. They won't leave it to people like me... not when they finally figure out how much money is to be made - not millions, fucking billions. Recreational Drugs PLC - giving the people what they want... Good times today, stupor tomorrow. But this is now, so until prohibition ends make hay while the sun shines.

 * I mean, it's like selling anything: washing machines, handmade shoes, blow jobs. As long as you don't take the piss, people will always come back for more.

 * Life is so fucking good, I can taste it in my spit.

 * I'm not a gangster, I'm a businessman whose commodity happens to be cocaine.

 * But as some Roman general once said: If you seek peace, plan for war.

 * I hate guns! ... although, that one is very pretty.

 * My name? If you knew that, you'd be as clever as me.

 * Have a plan and stick to it.

Eddie Temple

 * You're born, you take shit. You get out in the world, you take more shit. You climb a little higher, you take less shit. Till one day you're up in the rarefied atmosphere and you've forgotten what shit even looks like. Welcome to the layer cake, son.

 * England. Typical. Even drug dealers don't work weekends

 * Opera Tonight. The damnation of Faust. Man sells his soul to the devil. All ends in tears, these arrangements usually do.

 * The art of good business is being a good middleman.

 * I've checked you out, son. You're a smart lad. But you keep very, very bad company.

Morty

 * Somebody's about to get a fucking slap!

 * [About Duke] He's a fucking maniac, a relic, a throwback. Belongs to the Dark Ages, Gene.

 * I'm not happy. This shit is out of control. You sort it out, or I'll sort you out.

 * You don't fuck about, do you?

Other

 * Jimmy Price: You know why people like you can't leave this business? Because you make too much money for people like me.

 * Cody: Black! You can't have black. Black's the color for a hearse or a taxi.

 * Shanks: Now, his party piece, right... is lopping people's heads off, then fetching 'em back to his boss.

 * Gene: If you have to kill a person, never ever tell a living soul.

 * Dragan: Don't piss in my pocket and tell me it's raining.

 * Duke: Oh, you give a fuckin' aspirin a headache, pal!

 * Tammy: I was just rubbing the phone against my fanny. Oooh it's fresh this morning. And look at my nipples, standing up like little soldiers. What's a poor girl to do?

 * Crazy Larry: Fucking females is for poofs!

Dialogue

 * Clarkie: Where the fuck is Gene?
 * Terry: I don't know, mate. Ask me one on sport.

 * XXXX: Well, don't think too long, because somebody's gonna make a killing on these pills.
 * Trevor: They already have. That's the problem, kidder.

 * XXXX: [over the phone] Dragan?
 * Dragan: Yes.
 * XXXX: I've got an idea. Why don't you come 'round for breakfast? I'll squeeze some orange juice and grind some coffee and we can talk about this like adults. How's that sound?
 * Dragan: Sounds very hospitable.
 * XXXX: Do you know where I live?
 * Dragan: No.
 * XXXX: Well, fuck off then.

 * Gene: [to XXXX] This what being a gangster gets you. You're not in there 'cause I like you.
 * Morty: I'm beginning to feel left out.
 * Gene: Why? I seem to recall a friend of yours in intensive care after your little... reunion.

 * XXXX: That's a very expansive question.
 * Jimmy Price: Expansive? [laughs] Tell me son, are you a homosexual? The day was when only homosexuals used words like "expansive". You're not a homosexual are you? Not behind in your rent?

 * Jimmy Price: "Details, details. Things to do. Things to get done. Don't bother me with details, just tell me when they're done." Who said that, son?
 * XXXX: Winston Churchill?
 * Jimmy Price: Close. No, I said it. James Lionel Price.

 * Eddie Temple: Do you know what a remora fish is?
 * XXXX: Yes.
 * Eddie Temple: Oh you do? Well Jimmy's been swimming in my slipstream all my fucking life.

 * Morty: Why did you keep the gun?
 * Gene: I know it sounds silly now, but it was my favourite.
 * Morty: You better not let the other guns know you have a favourite.

 * Gene: Listen, son. Let me explain something to you. Freddie's in intensive care with a bit of a brain haemorrhage. You were there at the scene. That's called joint venture. Now, if Freddie dies you're either in the dock with Morty or you're in the witness box putting him away. Think about that.
 * XXXX: (points to a whiskey bottle in Gene's hand) You know, I will have one of those.

Cast

 * Daniel Craig - XXXX
 * Colm Meaney - Gene
 * Kenneth Cranham - Jimmy Price
 * George Harris - Morty
 * Jamie Foreman - the Duke
 * Michael Gambon - Eddie Temple
 * Marcel Iureş - Slavo
 * Tom Hardy - Clarkie
 * Tamer Hassan - Terry
 * Ben Whishaw - Sidney
 * Burn Gorman - Gazza
 * Sally Hawkins - Slasher
 * Sienna Miller - Tammy
 * Dexter Fletcher - Cody
 * Steve John Shepherd - Tiptoes
 * Louis Emerick - Trevor
 * Stephen Walters - Shanks
 * Paul Orchard - Lucky
 * Francis Magee - Paul the boatman
 * Dragan Mićanović - Dragan
 * Nick Thomas-Webster - Dragan's henchman
 * Nathalie Lunghi - Charlie
 * Jason Flemyng - Crazy Larry

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Talk:Incorrect predictions

Major cleanup needed
I've just restructured this article along Wikiquote standards, chiefly: The result demonstrates that we still have considerable work to do on this article: I ask all editors involved in this article to help clean it up to meet Wikiquote standards of accuracy, verifiability, and style. Thank you. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:22, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Separating quotes into sourced, attributed, and misattributed quotes. "Sourced" means having a specific published or recorded source that can be used to verify the quote. Magazines should have dates or at least issue numbers. Quotes from books should include the title (chapters are highly desirable; pages are better but should include edition [w/ ISBN if available], as page numbers vary between editions). Speeches and other spoken quotes should have publications listed from which they are quoted. Audiovisual clips should have a link to a reliable website.
 * Converting manually-crafted headings into TOC-compliant wiki headings.
 * The vast majority of quotes aren't properly sourced.
 * Many of them seem to have been copied directly from Things People Said - Bad Predictions, which can be construed as a copyright violation. I am not a lawyer, but I know that although one cannot copyright facts (like quotes themselves, perhaps), one can copyright presentation and explanatory text, all of which appear to have been copied in their entirety into this article. We probably don't need much of the explanations; these lines should be replaced or at least amended by including the source information once found.
 * There doesn't appear to be any organization of quotes in each section. Common methods include alphabetical by quote or by author surname, or chronological.
 * Many elements in the source information that is in the article have no links. I haven't tested the ones that do yet. Also, magazine, book, and film titles should be italicized per Wikiquote style guidelines.

questions about relevancy
There are a number of quotes on this page which don't really seem to be predictions. for example:

 * "The multitude of books is a great evil. There is no limit to this fever for writing; every one must be an author; some out of vanity, to acquire celebrity and raise up a name, others for the sake of mere gain." -- Martin Luther, German Reformation leader, Table Talk, 1530s(?).

unless this means that there is a limit to the "fever for writing"? Certainly you don't believe Martin Luther believed that "every one must be an author" -- clear hyperbole. What exactly do you claim Luther was predicting?

another oddity:

 * "Where a calculator on the ENIAC is equipped with 18,000 vacuum tubes and weighs 30 tons, computers in the future may have only 1,000 vacuum tubes and weigh only 1.5 tons." -- Popular Mechanics, March 1949

Well, if the stats for the ENIAC are correct, and my laptop has zero vacuum tubes and weighs 8 pounds, don't you suppose there might have been one in between? First blush internet search turns up the IBM 709 Data Processing System: 2000 tubes and a weight of 2110 lbs. The quote isn't really that far off. Sure, computers got smaller than they predicted, but they were only predicting based on the vacuum tube -- and they were about right...

--- Removed this quote. The prediction that computers would get smaller was completely accurate.

Yet another one:

 * "I see no good reasons why the views given in this volume should shock the religious sensibilities of anyone." -- Charles Darwin

Perhaps the quote should be read again with the emPhasis on the other syLLable? He's stating an opinion "I see no good reasons", had he been prognosticating he would have said something like "There will never be a reason...". I suspect that the reason this quote was placed on this page may be POV. I'd ignore that if it clearly belonged.

fourth:

 * "Dear Mr. President: The canal system of this country is being threatened by a new form of transportation known as 'railroads' ... As you may well know, Mr. President, 'railroad' carriages are pulled at the enormous speed of 15 miles per hour by 'engines' which, in addition to endangering life and limb of passengers, roar and snort their way through the countryside, setting fire to crops, scaring the livestock and frightening women and children. The Almighty certainly never intended that people should travel at such breakneck speed." -- Martin Van Buren, Governor of New York, 1865(?).

While an amusing quote, there's no prediction here. "The Almighty certainly never..." is the closest thing, and if you can verify that the good governor is correct I'd suggest a CAT scan.

fifth:

 * "Sensible and responsible women do not want to vote." -- Grover Cleveland, U.S. President, 1905.

Opinion. Perhaps his definition of a sensible and responsible woman precluded the desire? I'm not saying he's right, just that this isn't a prediction.

sixth:

 * "That virus is a pussycat." -– Dr. Peter Duesberg, molecular-biology professor at U.C. Berkeley, on HIV, 1988

Um, this quote is so ambiguous I don't even know where to start. *If* he means that the virus is not very aggressive, then he's very very correct. Hemorragic fever beats it hands down in efficacy, and most variants of the flu spread more easilly. If he means that it is not very dangerous then I'm not sure what he's comparing it to. There are some (very knowlegable) people who question the tie between AIDS (the life threatening syndrome) and HIV (the virus).

Anyway, like I said above these are either opinions which cannot be verified true or false, are hyperbole, or aren't predictions of any kind.

User:SpeedBump

 * You raise many good points, SpeedBump. I'll address them in three groups:

 * I'm not sure why the Luther quote about "every one must be an author" was added, but I'd suggest that the current spate of blogging, personal websites, and other forms of modern communication actually confirm Luther's statement (if not his moral judgment on the practice, which itself isn't a clear "prediction"). I've removed the quote.

 * Duesberg's HIV statement lacks the context to make his meaning clear, so I've removed that as well. If someone wants to restore it, I recommend providing a verifiable source. (In fact, that's important for all of these quotes.)

 * The remaining quotes seem to have been added to demonstrate failures to sufficiently anticipate future changes in the world; i.e., the ENIAC successor, the "breakneck speed" of the first railroads, women voting. They might be categorized as inadequate anticipation, but that does raise the question of what constitutes an actual prediction, as opposed to now-antiquated world views. (And denial of women's suffrage isn't even antiquated for a dismayingly large portion of the world population, even today.) I'm not sure how we should handle these.

 * Anyone else care to chime in? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:55, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

 * I agree with many of Speedbump's points. Many of these "incorrect predictions" don't sound like anything of the sort.  For example, take Darwin's foreward.  Since he brought up the matter of "religious sensibilities", it seems that he thought it would be an issue; otherwise, why would he even mention it?  By specifically saying he sees no "good reasons", it seems clear to me that he's implying "If what I'm about to say shocks your religious sensibilities, you're a dork".  It's not an incorrect prediction; it's subtle and clever writing.  Other oddities: Charlie Chaplin seems to have predicted the rise of reality TV.  Spencer Silver's line isn't exactly a prediction.  W.C. Heuper isn't predicting anything, but declaring the state of scientific knowledge.  Simon Cameron is tired of science and wants to cut museum funding, but he's not predicting anything.  Cheers!  --EG

 * Another quote I think is a problem is the one on WMDs in Iraq. This is still an issue of controversy and it is clearly POV to place a quote claiming the existence of WMDs in Iraq in an article titled "Incorrect predictions." I'm removing this quote as long as nobody has any objections. 67.171.43.170 20:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Innovation
"The fact is that innovation was a little different in the 20th century. It's not easy (now) to come up with greater and different things. If you're looking for the next big thing, stop looking. There's no such thing as the next big thing." (Nicholas Donofrio, IBM's executive vice president of innovation and technology) Just wanted to add this in for addition to the article in the future. -- Zanimum 21:25, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

 * Do you have a source for that? And when did he say this? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:11, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

 * http://news.com.com/IBM+The+next+big+thing+no+longer+exists/2100-1008_3-6050056.html?tag=nefd.top "Nicholas Donofrio, Big Blue's executive vice president of innovation and technology, made the declaration on Tuesday in an interview with ZDNet Asia. He was in Singapore for the first gathering of the Infocomm International Advisory Panel, organized by the Infocomm Development Authority of Singapore."

Remote shopping
"Remote shopping, while entirely feasible, will flop—because women like to get out of the house, like to handle merchandise, like to be able to change their minds." – Time, 1966, in one sentence writing off e-commerce long before anyone had ever heard of it.

Why is that in there? If I were picking these I would say that one is not necessarily wrong. --59.167.118.38 10:07, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

E-commerce (remote shopping) has not flopped, though, so the statement would indeed appear to be incorrect. -- 63.114.138.2 22:46, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Neville Chamberlain
OK, it's kinda minor, but to be fair, he and everyone else *knew* that war with Germany was around the corner, and he was just buying time. Of course, he *did* say that, but he didn't believe it.

Andrew Hamilton "Computers" Quote
Sorry, but I fail to see how this is an incorrect prediction in any way. He merely predicted that computers would get smaller, which they did, it doesn't make it any less correct that they continued to get a lot smaller than he predicted.

Bicycle Vs Automobile usage
""The ordinary "horseless carriage" is at present a luxury for the wealthy; and although its price will probably fall in the future, it will never, of course, come into as common use as the bicycle." – Literary Digest, 1899." Is this prediction actually incorrect? Obviously for the USA, but India, China? I a superficial google didn't give me any hard stats, but a figure of 77% bicycle usage in a Chinese city has stayed in my mind.
 * Very good point. --  Zanimum 19:47, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

I thought the same thing, I found a graphic that claims there are 1.4 billion bikes in service, and only about 400 million cars. http://www.princeton.edu/~ina/images/infographics/transportation_big.jpg

global car sales have never beaten global bicycle sales. Yes cars are now very common, but there are still and have always been over 3 bicycle sold per vehicle sold per year. You can see here: http://www.worldometers.info/bicycles/ Bicycles have always outnumbered cars.

Herbert Hoover
This hasn't been discussed in awhile, but I just noticed this quote from Hoover on Prohibition: "Our country has deliberately undertaken a great social and economic experiment, noble in motive and far reaching in purpose." That's clearly not intended as a prediction at all, just a statement, but apart from that, what's wrong about it? Prohibition was later repealed, of course, but Hoover didn't claim it was permanent, just "a great social and economic experiment." If one argues about motive and purpose, that still doesn't make it a failed *prediction*, since again nothing about the future is mentioned. I'm taking it out. -- Aleal 06:36, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Maxim attribution
I think the Maxim quote about machine guns was actually from Hiram Maxim, the inventor, not his brother, Hudson. See the Ellis source text here: http://www.archive.org/stream/impressionscomme00elliiala/impressionscomme00elliiala_djvu.txt

Accuracy
o Albert Einstein, 1932. I'm sure this is incorrect + lacks citations. Can someone confirm? Einstein was a scientist, that wrote several letters to the then US president about the real threat of nuclear energy, hence my reason for incorrect quote 121.218.35.68 13:36, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.

Thomas Edison Airplane Quote
Although the following quote is not the 1895 one referred to in the article, it certainly affirms it. o Thomas Edison, 1908; excerpts from speech given Sept. 16, 1908, in Salt Lake City (St. Louis Post Dispatch, Sept. 17, 1908).
 * The weak point of the present aeroplane, around which the Wright brothers will never be able to get, is that the operation of the machine lies wholly in the wonderful brain of its operator... One fractional mislevelment would mean destruction to the machine and operator. The dirigible balloon is a farce and the aeroplane impracticable... Long ago I saw the impracticability of the lighter-than-air machine... The aeroplane is a primitive adoption of the bird-wing theory, and, as we don't posses the divinity to acquire the automatic action of the bird, it is impossible. In commercializing any new invention, we must follow nature.

Blow Up the World
"No “scientific bad boy” ever will be able to blow up the world by releasing atomic energy." has been a correct prediction up to this point - the Earth is well and sound. I see no reason to include it in this list.

Unsourced

 * Rail travel at high speed is not possible, because passengers, unable to breathe, would die of asphyxia.
 * Dr Dionysius Lardner (1793–1859), professor of Natural Philosophy and Astronomy, University College London, 1823.

 * Everyone acquainted with the subject will recognize it as a conspicuous failure.
 * Henry Morton, president of the Stevens Institute of Technology, on Edison's light bulb, 1880.

 * Transmission of documents via telephone wires is possible in principle, but the apparatus required is so expensive that it will never become a practical proposition.
 * Dennis Gabor, British physicist and author of Inventing the Future, 1962.

 * The horse is here to stay but the automobile is only a novelty—a fad.
 * The president of the Michigan Savings Bank advising Henry Ford's lawyer not to invest in the Ford Motor Co., 1903.

 * The ordinary 'horseless carriage' is at present a luxury for the wealthy; and although its price will probably fall in the future, it will never, of course, come into as common use as the bicycle.
 * Literary Digest, 1899.

 * Flight by machines heavier than air is unpractical (sic) and insignificant, if not utterly impossible.
 * Simon Newcomb; The Wright Brothers flew at Kittyhawk 18 months later. Newcomb was not impressed.

 * I am afraid I am not in the flight for "aerial navigation". I was greatly interested in your work with kites; but I have not the smallest molecule of faith in aerial navigation other than ballooning or of expectation of good results from any of the trials we hear of. So you will understand that I would not care to be a member of the aëronautical Society.
 * Lord Kelvin, British mathematician and physicist, president of the British Royal Society, 1895.[not a prediction]

 * It is apparent to me that the possibilities of the aeroplane, which two or three years ago were thought to hold the solution to the [flying machine] problem, have been exhausted, and that we must turn elsewhere.
 * Thomas Edison, American inventor, 1895.

 * There will never be a bigger plane built.
 * A Boeing engineer, after the first flight of the 247, a twin engine plane that holds ten people.

 * Radio has no future.
 * Lord Kelvin, Northern Irish mathematician and physicist, former president of the Royal Society, 1897.

 * The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to no one in particular?
 * Associates of David Sarnoff responding to the latter's call for investment in the radio in 1921.

 * While theoretically and technically television may be feasible, commercially and financially it is an impossibility, a development of which we need waste little time dreaming.
 * Lee De Forest, American radio pioneer and inventor of the vacuum tube, 1926.

 * Television won't last because people will soon get tired of staring at a plywood box every night.
 * Darryl Zanuck, movie producer, 20th Century Fox, 1946.

 * Television won't last. It's a flash in the pan.
 * Mary Somerville, pioneer of radio educational broadcasts, 1948.

 * There is no likelihood man can ever tap the power of the atom.
 * Robert Millikan, American physicist and Nobel Prize winner, 1923.

 * There is not the slightest indication that nuclear energy will ever be obtainable. It would mean that the atom would have to be shattered at will.
 * Albert Einstein, 1932.

 * The energy produced by the breaking down of the atom is a very poor kind of thing. Anyone who expects a source of power from the transformation of these atoms is talking moonshine.
 * Ernest Rutherford, shortly after splitting the atom for the first time.

 * Atomic energy might be as good as our present-day explosives, but it is unlikely to produce anything very much more dangerous.
 * Winston Churchill, First Lord of the Admiralty, then soon-to-be British Prime Minister, 1939.

 * The basic questions of design, material and shielding, in combining a nuclear reactor with a home boiler and cooling unit, no longer are problems.... The system would heat and cool a home, provide unlimited household hot water, and melt the snow from sidewalks and driveways. All that could be done for six years on a single charge of fissionable material costing about $300.
 * Robert Ferry, executive of the U.S. Institute of Boiler and Radiator Manufacturers, 1955.

 * Nuclear-powered vacuum cleaners will probably be a reality in 10 years.
 * Alex Lewyt, president of vacuum cleaner company Lewyt Corp., in The New York Times in 1955.

 * I have traveled the length and breadth of this country and talked with the best people, and I can assure you that data processing is a fad that won't last out the year.
 * The editor in charge of business books for Prentice Hall, 1957.

 * [By 1985], machines [computers] will be capable of doing any work Man can do.
 * Herbert A. Simon, Nobel Laureate from Carnegie Mellon University, one of the founders of the field of artificial intelligence – speaking in 1965.

 * There is practically no chance communications space satellites will be used to provide better telephone, telegraph, television, or radio service inside the United States.
 * T. Craven, FCC Commissioner (USA), in 1961 (the first commercial communications satellite went into service in 1965).

 * What, sir, would you make a ship sail against the wind and currents by lighting a bonfire under her deck? I pray you, excuse me, I have not the time to listen to such nonsense.
 * Napoleon Bonaparte, when told of Robert Fulton's steamboat, 1800s.

 * The phonograph has no commercial value at all.
 * Thomas Edison, American inventor, 1880s.

 * X-rays will prove to be a hoax.
 * Lord Kelvin, President of the Royal Society, 1883.

 * Fooling around with alternating current is just a waste of time. Nobody will use it, ever.
 * Thomas Edison, American inventor, 1889 (Edison often ridiculed the arguments of competitor George Westinghouse for AC power).

 * I must confess that my imagination refuses to see any sort of submarine doing anything but suffocating its crew and floundering at sea.
 * H. G. Wells, British novelist, in 1901.

 * The idea that cavalry will be replaced by these iron coaches is absurd. It is little short of treasonous.
 * Comment of Aide-de-camp to Field Marshal Haig, at tank demonstration, 1916.

 * Very interesting, Whittle, my boy, but it will never work.
 * Cambridge Aeronautics Professor, when shown Frank Whittle's plan for the jet engine.

 * The world potential market for copying machines is 5000 at most.
 * IBM, to the eventual founders of Xerox, saying the photocopier had no market large enough to justify production, 1959.

 * I would sooner believe that two Yankee professors lied, than that stones fell from the sky.
 * Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President, on hearing reports of meteorites, 1790s(?).

 * The abolishment of pain in surgery is a chimera. It is absurd to go on seeking it ... knife and pain are two words in surgery that must forever be associated in the consciousness of the patient.
 * Dr. Alfred Velpeau, French surgeon, 1839.

 * Louis Pasteur's theory of germs is ridiculous fiction.
 * Pierre Pachet, British surgeon and Professor of Physiology at Toulouse, 1872.

 * The abdomen, the chest, and the brain will forever be shut from the intrusion of the wise and humane surgeon
 * John Eric Ericksen, British surgeon, appointed Surgeon Extraordinary to Queen Victoria, 1873.

 * We are probably nearing the limit of all we can know about astronomy.
 * Simon Newcomb, Canadian-born American astronomer, 1888.

 * If excessive smoking actually plays a role in the production of lung cancer, it seems to be a minor one.
 * W. C. Heuper, National Cancer Institute, 1954.

 * Four or five frigates will do the business without any military force.
 * British prime minister Lord North, on dealing with the rebellious American colonies, 1774.

 * Ours has been the first [expedition], and doubtless to be the last, to visit this profitless locality.
 * Lt. Joseph Ives, after visiting the Grand Canyon in 1861.

 * They couldn't hit an elephant at this distance.
 * Last words of Gen. John Sedgwick, spoken as he looked out over the parapet at enemy lines during the Battle of Spotsylvania Court House in 1864.

 * No, it will make war impossible.
 * Hiram Maxim, inventor of the machine gun, in response to the question "Will this gun not make war more terrible?" from Havelock Ellis, an English scientist, 1893.

 * I am tired of all this sort of thing called science here.... We have spent millions in that sort of thing for the last few years, and it is time it should be stopped.
 * Simon Cameron, U.S. Senator, on the Smithsonian Institution, 1901.

 * Man will not fly for 50 years.
 * Wilbur Wright, American aviation pioneer, to brother Orville, after a disappointing flying experiment, 1901 (their first successful flight was in 1903).

 * The invention of aircraft will make war impossible in the future.
 * George Gissing, 1903.

 * Sensible and responsible women do not want to vote.
 * Grover Cleveland, U.S. President, 1905.

 * You will be home before the leaves have fallen from the trees.
 * Kaiser Wilhelm, to the German troops, August 1914.

 * Stocks have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.
 * Irving Fisher, economics professor at Yale University, 1929.

 * This is the second time in our history that there has come back from Germany to Downing Street peace with honour. I believe it is peace for our time.
 * Neville Chamberlain, British Prime Minister, September 30th, 1938.

 * The Americans are good about making fancy cars and refrigerators, but that doesn't mean they are any good at making aircraft. They are bluffing. They are excellent at bluffing.
 * Hermann Goering, Commander-in-Chief of the Luftwaffe, 1942.

 * It will be gone by June.
 * Variety, passing judgement on rock 'n roll in 1955.

 * A short-lived satirical pulp.
 * Time magazine, writing off Mad magazine in 1956.

 * We will bury you.
 * Nikita Kruschev, Soviet Premier, predicting Soviet communism will win over U.S. capitalism, 1958. Originally mistranslated, a better translation would be "We will be there when you are buried", a common Russian insult.

 * In all likelihood world inflation is over.
 * International Monetary Fund CEO, 1959.

 * Reagan doesn't have that presidential look.
 * United Artists Executive, rejecting Ronald Reagan as lead in 1964 film The Best Man.

 * And for the tourist who really wants to get away from it all, safaris in Vietnam
 * Newsweek, predicting popular holidays for the late 1960s.

 * Remote shopping, while entirely feasible, will flop—because women like to get out of the house, like to handle merchandise, like to be able to change their minds.
 * Time, 1966, in one sentence writing off e-commerce long before anyone had ever heard of it.

 * If anything remains more or less unchanged, it will be the role of women.
 * David Riesman, conservative American social scientist, 1967.

 * It will be years—not in my time—before a woman will become Prime Minister.
 * Margaret Thatcher, future Prime Minister, October 26th, 1969.

 * Read my lips: NO NEW TAXES.
 * George H. W. Bush, 1988.

 * This antitrust thing will blow over.
 * Bill Gates, founder of Microsoft.

 * It doesn't matter what he does, he will never amount to anything.
 * Albert Einstein's teacher to his father, 1895

 * The war ... will last ... six days, six weeks ... I doubt six months.
 * Donald Rumsfeld on the Iraq War

 * If Beethoven's Seventh Symphony is not by some means abridged, it will soon fall into disuse.
 * Philip Hale, Boston Music Critic, 1837.

 * By the year 1982 the graduated income tax will have practically abolished major differences in wealth.
 * Irwin Edman, professor of philosophy Columbia University, 1932.

 * I'm just glad it'll be Clark Gable who's falling on his face, and not Gary Cooper.
 * Gary Cooper, on declining the lead role in Gone with the Wind.

 * We don't like their sound, and guitar music is on the way out.
 * Decca Records, when they rejected The Beatles, 1962.

 * The singer (Mick Jagger) will have to go; the BBC won't like him.
 * First Rolling Stones manager Eric Easton to his partner after watching them perform.

 * The case is a loser.
 * Johnnie Cochran, on soon-to-be client O.J.'s chances of winning, 1994.

 * Children just aren't interested in Witches and Wizards anymore.
 * Anonymous publishing executive writing to JK Rowling 1996

 * ... so many centuries after the Creation it is unlikely that anyone could find hitherto unknown lands of any value.
 * Committee advising King Ferdinand and Queen Isabella of Spain regarding a proposal by Christopher Columbus, 1486.

 * Drill for oil? You mean drill into the ground to try and find oil? You're crazy.
 * Associates of Edwin L. Drake refusing his suggestion to drill for oil in 1859.

 * No one will pay good money to get from Berlin to Potsdam in one hour when he can ride his horse there in one day for free.
 * King William I of Prussia, on hearing of the invention of trains, 1864.

 * The concept is interesting and well-formed, but in order to earn better than a 'C', the idea must be feasible.
 * A Yale University management professor in response to a college assignment by Fred Smith proposing a reliable overnight delivery service, in 1966. Smith would later go on to found Federal Express Corp.

 * A cookie store is a bad idea. Besides, the market research reports say America likes crispy cookies, not soft and chewy cookies like you make.
 * Response to Debbi Fields' idea of starting Mrs. Fields' Cookies.

 * The quote from Neville Chamberlain is sourced. Peace for our time - Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 00:30, 20 February 2018 (UTC)

New York Times on rocketry
A story from the day before (1/12/1920) with the headline "Believes Rocket Can Reach Moon." (link: http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FB0715FF3A55157A93C0A8178AD85F448285F9 )

"A rocket will never be able to leave the Earth's atmosphere." attributed to the New York Times, 1936

Regarding allegations of William H. Stewart's "incorrect prediction"
This page repeats the assertion that former Surgeon General William H. Stewart had stated that "[w]e can close the books on infectious diseases." I'm afraid there's no proof that Dr. Stewart ever said this. I'd amend the page itself, citing [http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3707092/ Spellberg & Taylor-Blake, On the exoneration of Dr. William H. Stewart: debunking an urban legend, Infect Dis Poverty, 2013 Feb 18;2(1):3. doi: 10.1186/2049-9957-2-3], but I'm a co-author on that paper and I recognize that any edit on my part may be doubly scrutinized. I'd be grateful if someone else could revisit the issue of whether Stewart ever made such a pronouncement. Thanks. Bonnie Taylor-Blake (talk), 3 October 2014.

De Forest quote
His quote is technically correct, in that Apollo never entered a stable lunar orbit.

The article should also be divided between engineers and nontechnical people, since almost all the quotes seem to be the latter. 2607:FB90:1316:7A35:F292:C02E:5F28:65DD 12:22, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

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Charles Haughey

Charles James Haughey (Irish name: Cathal Ó hEochaidh) (16 September 1925 – 13 June 2006) was the sixth Taoiseach of the Republic of Ireland, serving from 1979 to 1981, March 1982 to December 1982 and from 1987 to 1992. He was a member of the Fianna Fáil party.

Quotes

 * It was a bizarre happening, an unprecedented situation, a grotesque situation, an almost unbelievable mischance.
 * T. Ryle Dwyer Charlie: The political biography of Charles Haughey (1987), chapter 12.
 * Originally used at a press conference in 1982 to refer to an incident in which a wanted murderer was arrested in the house of the Attorney-General, but subsequently turned into "Grotesque, unbelievable, bizarre, unprecedented" and made a catchphrase. Sometimes rendered into the acronym "GUBU". Also see "'Era-defining scandal': Ireland revisits 'Gubu' murders 40 years on" The Guardian (8 November 2022)

 * It's guarded by units of the British army and I can never come up to this border without experiencing deep feelings of anger and resentment.
 * Ex-Irish Taoiseach Haughey dies (BBC News online)
 * In a television documentary in the 1980s.

 * I could instance a load of fuckers whose throats I'd cut and push over a cliff.
 * "The Flawed Chieftain" The Guardian (13 June 2006).
 * In an interview with Hot Press magazine in the 1980s.

 * The best, the most skillful, the most devious and the most cunning.
 * On Bertie Ahern, reported in Bertie Ahern, CNN World News (1998).
 * As a community we are living way beyond our means
 * Taoiseach Charles Haughey remarking during a televised broadcast in 1980 about the current social situation in the Republic of Ireland. Seen as ironic by many commentators due to his private lifestyle, which was often seen as lavish and decadent.

About

 * You know, I have a theory about Charlie Haughey. If you give him enough rope, he'll hang you.
 * BBC Ireland correspondent Leo Enright at the end of Haughey's premiership.

 * He (Haughey) was a very promising minister in the '60s, but once he became leader all he was concerned with was staying leader. It was always about the cult of leadership. His sense of himself was much more important than any vision he had for the country. People say he discovered fiscal rectitude in '87, and people talk about his contribution to Anglo-Irish affairs, but really if you try and look for any consistency in his affairs after the late '70s you can't find it because it's just about him.
 * Diarmaid Ferriter, "'Controversial' Taoiseach". Sunday Tribune. 28 November 2010.

 * Charles Haughey was undoubtedly a great statesman...By far the most gifted politician of his generation, he squandered his opportunities for greatness on luxuriant rhetoric and luxurious living.
 * Fintan O'Toole, "A Life and Legacy". Irish Times, 14th June 2006.

 * He can only be defined by his contradictions: a patriot whose ultimate allegiance was not to Ireland but to the Cayman Islands; a preacher of family values who kept an expensive mistress; a lover of power who allowed himself to become a kept man; a product of the Catholic lower middle class who spent millions of pounds of other people's money in affecting the style of an Ascendancy gent; a man of the people who secretly sniggered at the people's credulity; a charmer who liked to cultivate an air of menace and warned his own bank that he could be a very troublesome adversary.
 * Fintan O'Toole, "A Life and Legacy". Irish Times, 14th June 2006.

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