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Thucydides

Thucydides (or Thoukydides)(c. 472 BC – c. 400 BC) was an ancient Greek historian, author of the History of the Peloponnesian War, which recounts the 5th century BC war between Sparta and Athens. This work is widely regarded a classic and represents the first work of its kind.

History of the Peloponnesian War

 * As translated by Richard Crawely - Full text online at Wikisource

Book I

 * For the love of gain would reconcile the weaker to the dominion of the stronger, and the possession of capital enabled the more powerful to reduce the smaller cities to subjection.
 * Book I, 1.8-[3]

 * But as the power of Hellas grew, and the acquisition of wealth became more an objective, the revenues of the states increasing, tyrannies were established almost everywhere...
 * Book I, 1.13-[1]
 * See also: Karl Marx, Grundrisse, Introduction p. 7

 * So little pains do the vulgar take in the investigation of truth, accepting readily the first story that comes to hand.
 * Variant translation: "...the search for truth strains the patience of most people, who would rather believe the first things that come to hand." Translation by Paul Woodruff.
 * Book I, 1.20-[3]

 * On the whole, however, the conclusions I have drawn from the proofs quoted may, I believe, safely be relied on. Assuredly they will not be disturbed either by the lays of a poet displaying the exaggeration of his craft, or by the compositions of the chroniclers that are attractive at truth's expense; the subjects they treat of being out of the reach of evidence, and time having robbed most of them of historical value by enthroning them in the region of legend.
 * Book I, 21-[1]

 * To come to this war: despite the known disposition of the actors in a struggle to overrate its importance, and when it is over to return to their admiration of earlier events, yet an examination of the facts will show that it was much greater than the wars which preceded it.
 * Variant translation: "People always think the greatest war is the one they are fighting at the moment, and when that is over they are more impressed with wars of antiquity; but, even so, this war will prove, to all who look at the facts, that it was greater than the others." Translation by Paul Woodruff.
 * Book I, 21-[2]

 * In fine, I have written my work, not as an essay which is to win the applause of the moment, but as a possession for all time.
 * Book I, 1.22-[4]

 * The real cause I consider to be the one which was formerly most kept out of sight. The growth of the power of Athens, and the alarm which this inspired the Lacedaemon, made war inevitable.
 * Book I, 1.23-[6]. (See:Thucydides Trap)

 * [C]oncessions to adversaries only end in self reproach, and the more strictly they are avoided the greater will be the chance of security.
 * Book I, 1.34-[3]

 * Abstinence from all injustice to other first-rate powers is a greater tower of strength than anything that can be gained by the sacrifice of permanent tranquillity for an apparent temporary advantage.
 * Book I, 1.42-[3]

 * For the true author of the subjugation of a people is not so much the immediate agent, as the power which permits it having the means to prevent it.
 * Book I, 69.

 * Thus they toil on in trouble and danger all the days of their life, with little opportunity for enjoying, being ever engaged in getting: their only idea of a holiday is to do what the occasion demands, and to them laborious occupation is less of a misfortune than the peace of a quiet life. To describe their character in a word, one might truly say that they were born into the world to take no rest themselves and to give none to others.
 * Book I, Chapter III

 * It is a common mistake in going to war to begin at the wrong end, to act first, and wait for disaster to discuss the matter.
 * Book I, 1.78-[3]

 * " war is a matter not so much of arms as of money,"
 * Book I, 1.83-[2]

 * self-control contains honour as a chief constituent, and honour bravery.
 * Book I, 1.84; "self-control is the chief element in self-respect, and respect of self, in turn, is the chief element in courage" (trans. Charles Forster Smith)

 * [T]he freaks of chance are not determinable by calculation.
 * Book I, 1.84-[3]

 * In practice we always base our preparations against an enemy on the assumption that his plans are good; indeed, it is right to rest our hopes not on a belief in his blunders, but on the soundness of our provisions. Nor ought we to believe that there is much difference between man and man, but to think that the superiority lies with him who is reared in the severest school.
 * Variant translation: "Instead, we think the plans of our neighbors are as good as our own, and we can't work out whose chances at war are better in a speech. So we always make our preparations in action, on the assumption that our enemies know what they are doing. We should not build our hopes on the belief that they will make mistakes, but on our own careful foresight. And we should not think there is much difference between one man and another, except that the winner will be the one whose education was the most severe." Translation by Paul Woodruff.
 * Variant translation: "There is no need to suppose that human beings differ very much from one another: but it is true that the ones who come out on top are the ones who have been trained in the hardest school." Note: Some versions omit the "who have been".
 * Book I, 1.84-[4]

 * speculation is carried on in safety, but, when it comes to action, fear causes failure.
 * Book I, 1.121-[5]

 * There is, however, no advantage in reflections on the past further than may be of service to the present. For the future we must provide by maintaining what the present gives us and redoubling our efforts; it is hereditary to us to win virtue as the fruit of labour, and you must not change the habit, even though you should have a slight advantage in wealth and resources; for it is not right that what was won in want should be lost in plenty.
 * Book I, 1.123-[1]

 * If you give way, you will instantly have to meet some greater demand, as having been frightened into obedience in the first instance; while a firm refusal will make them clearly understand that they must treat you more as equals.
 * Book I, 1.140-[5]

 * I am more afraid of our own blunders than of the enemy's devices.
 * Book I, Chapter V

 * It must be thoroughly understood that war is a necessity, and that the more readily we accept it, the less will be the ardor of our opponents, and that out of the greatest dangers communities and individuals acquire the greatest glory.
 * Book I, 1.144-[3]
 * Variant translation: We must realize, too, that, both for cities and for individuals, it is from the greatest dangers that the greatest glory is to be won.
 * As translated by Rex Warner (1954).

Book II

 * I could have wished that the reputations of many brave men were not to be imperilled in the mouth of a single individual, to stand or fall according as he spoke well or ill. For it is hard to speak properly upon a subject where it is even difficult to convince your hearers that you are speaking the truth. On the one hand, the friend who is familiar with every fact of the story may think that some point has not been set forth with that fullness which he wishes and knows it to deserve; on the other, he who is a stranger to the matter may be led by envy to suspect exaggeration if he hears anything above his own nature. For men can endure to hear others praised only so long as they can severally persuade themselves of their own ability to equal the actions recounted: when this point is passed, envy comes in and with it incredulity.
 * Book II, 2.35-[1]-[3]

 * Again, in our enterprises we present the singular spectacle of daring and deliberation, each carried to its highest point, and both united in the same persons; although usually decision is the fruit of ignorance, hesitation of reflection. But the palm of courage will surely be adjudged most justly to those, who best know the difference between hardship and pleasure and yet are never tempted to shrink from danger. In generosity we are equally singular, acquiring our friends by conferring, not by receiving, favours.
 * Book II, 2.40-[3]

 * Ἀμαθία μὲν θράσος, λογισμὸς δὲ ὄκνον φέρει
 * Ignorance produces rashness, reflection timidity
 * Book II, 40.3

 * But the prize for courage will surely be awarded most justly to those who best know the difference between hardship and pleasure and yet are never tempted to shrink from danger.
 * Book II, 2.40-[3]

 * The bravest are surely those who have the clearest vision of what is before them, glory and danger alike, and yet notwithstanding, go out to meet it.
 * Variant translations: But the palm of courage will surely be adjudged most justly to those, who best know the difference between hardship and pleasure and yet are never tempted to shrink from danger. And they are most rightly reputed valiant, who though they perfectly apprehend both what is dangerous and what is easy, are never the more thereby diverted from adventuring. (translation by Thomas Hobbes )
 * Book II, 2.40-[3]

 * The secret of happiness is freedom and the secret of freedom is courage.
 * Book II, 2.43

 * Disdain is the privilege of those who, like us, have been assured by reflection of their superiority to their adversary. And where the chances are the same, knowledge fortifies courage by the contempt which is its consequence, its trust being placed, not in hope, which is the prop of the desperate, but in a judgment grounded upon existing resources, whose anticipations are more to be depended upon.
 * Book II, 2.62-[4]-[5]

 * Hatred also is short lived; but that which makes the splendor of the present and the glory of the future remains forever unforgotten
 * Book II, 2.64-[5]

 * [H]e who voluntarily confronts tremendous odds must have very great internal resources to draw upon.
 * Book II, 2.89-[6]

 * The country on the sea coast, now called Macedonia, was first acquired by Alexander, the father of Perdiccas, and his ancestors, originally Temenids from Argos...The whole is now called Macedonia, and at the time of the invasion of Sitalces, Perdiccas, Alexander's son, was the reigning king.
 * Book II, 99,-[3]

Book III

 * " we know that there can never be any solid friendship between individuals, or union between communities that is worth the name, unless the parties be persuaded of each others honesty,"
 * Book III, 3.10-[2]

 * Now the only sure basis of an alliance is for each party to be equally afraid of the other...
 * Book III, 3.11-[2]

 * Fire signals of an attack were also raised toward Thebes, but the Plataeans in the city at once displayed a number of others, prepared beforehand for this very purpose, in order to render the enemy's signals unintelligible, and to prevent his friends from getting a true idea of what was happening and coming to his aid before their comrades who had gone out should have made good their escape and be in safety.
 * Book III, 3.22-[7]-[8] (See also: Spoofing attack).

 * I have often before now been convinced that a democracy is incapable of empire...
 * Book III, 3.37-[1] (Speech of Cleon).

 * The fate of those of their neighbours who had already rebelled and had been subdued was no lesson to them; their own prosperity could not dissuade them from affronting danger; but blindly confident in the future, and full of hopes beyond their power though not beyond their ambition, they declared war and made their decision to prefer might to right, their attack being determined not by provocation but by the moment which seemed propitious. The truth is that great good fortune coming suddenly and unexpectedly tends to make a people insolent; in most cases it is safer for mankind to have success in reason than out of reason; and it is easier for them, one may say, to stave off adversity than to preserve prosperity.
 * Book III, 3.39-[3]

 * I think the two things most opposed to good counsel are haste and passion; haste usually goes hand in hand with folly, passion with coarseness and narrowness of mind.
 * Book III, 3.42-[1] (Speech of Diodotus).

 * [S]till hope leads men to venture; and no one ever yet put himself in peril without the inward conviction that he would succeed in his design.
 * Book III, 3.45-[1]

 * [W]e must make up our minds to look for our protection not to legal terrors but to careful administration.
 * Book III, 3.46-[4]

 * Words had to change their ordinary meaning and to take that which was now given them. Reckless audacity came to be considered the courage of a loyal ally; prudent hesitation, specious cowardice; moderation was held to be a cloak for unmanliness; ability to see all sides of a question, inaptness to act on any. Frantic violence became the attribute of manliness; cautious plotting, a justifiable means of self-defence. The advocate of extreme measures was always trustworthy; his opponent a man to be suspected. To succeed in a plot was to have a shrewd head, to divine a plot a still shrewder; but to try to provide against having to do either was to break up your party and to be afraid of your adversaries.
 * Book III, 3.82-[4]

Book IV

 * You can now, if you choose, employ your present success to advantage, so as to keep what you have got and gain honour and reputation besides, and you can avoid the mistake of those who meet with an extraordinary piece of good fortune, and are led on by hope to grasp continually at something further, through having already succeeded without expecting it.
 * Book IV, 4.17-[4]

 * That war is an evil is a proposition so familiar to every one that it would be tedious to develop it. No one is forced to engage in it by ignorance, or kept out of it by fear, if he fancies there is anything to be gained by it.
 * Book IV, 4.59-[2]; "Nobody is driven into war by ignorance, and no one who thinks that he will gain anything from it is deterred by fear." (trans. Benjamin Jowett)

 * Let him remember that many before now have tried to chastise a wrongdoer, and failing to punish their enemy have not even saved themselves; while many who have trusted in force to gain an advantage, instead of gaining anything more, have been doomed to lose what they had. Vengeance is not necessarily successful because wrong has been done, or strength sure because it is confident; but the incalculable element in the future exercises the widest influence, and is the most treacherous, and yet in fact the most useful of all things, as it frightens us all equally, and thus makes us consider before attacking each other.
 * Book IV, 4.62-[3]-[4]

 * We must march against the enemy, and teach him that he must go and get what he wants by attacking someone who will not resist him, but that men whose glory it is to be always ready to give battle for the liberty of their own country, and never unjustly to enslave that of others, will not let him go without a struggle.
 * Book IV, 4.92-[7]

 * They stood where they stood by the power of the sword.
 * Book IV, 4.98-[7]

 * [A]nd their judgment was based more upon blind wishing than upon any sound prediction; for it is a habit of mankind to entrust to careless hope what they long for, and to use sovereign reason to thrust aside what they do not desire.
 * Book IV, 4.108-[4]

 * [W]hen night came on, the Macedonians and the barbarian crowd suddenly took fright in one of those mysterious panics to which great armies are liable...
 * Book IV, 4.125-[1]

Book V

 * The Spartans meanwhile, man to man, and with their war songs in the ranks, exhorted each brave comrade to remember what he had learned before; well aware that the long training of action was of more use for saving lives than any brief verbal exhortation, though ever so well delivered.
 * Book V, 5.69-[2]

 * We hope that you, instead of thinking to influence us by saying that you did not join the Lacedaemonians, although their colonists, or that you have done us no wrong, will aim at what is feasible, holding in view the real sentiments of us both; since you know as well as we do that right, as the world goes, is only in question between equals in power, while the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.
 * A summary of Athenian statements to the Melians, Book V, 5.89-[1]

 * Hope, danger's comforter...
 * Book V, 5.103-[1]

 * Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can.
 * Book V, 5.105-[2]

 * [H]ere we bless your simplicity but do not envy your folly.
 * Book V, 5.105-[3]

 * And it is certain that those who do not yield to their equals, who keep terms with their superiors, and are moderate towards their inferiors, on the whole succeed best.
 * Book V, 5.111-[4]

Book VI

 * Men do not rest content with parrying the attacks of a superior, but often strike the first blow to prevent the attack being made.
 * Book VI, 6.18-[2]

 * I think, therefore, that we ought to take great numbers of hoplites, both from Athens and from our allies, and not merely from our subjects, but also any we may be able to get for love or money in the Peloponnesus, and great numbers also of archers and slingers, to oppose the Sicilian horse.
 * Book VI, 6.22-[1]

 * We must not disguise from ourselves that we go to found a city among strangers and enemies, and he who undertakes such an enterprise should be prepared to become master of the country the first day he lands, or failing in this find everything hostile to him.
 * Book VI, 6.23-[2]

 * [T]hey possess most gold and silver, by which war, like everything else, flourishes.
 * Book VI, 6.34; "they have abundance of gold and silver, and these make war, like other things, go smoothly" (trans. Benjamin Jowett)

 * Contempt for an assailant is best shown by bravery in action.
 * Book VI, 6.34-[9]; "the true contempt of an invader is shown by deeds of valour in the field" (trans. Benjamin Jowett)

 * As for democracy, the men of sense among us knew what it was, and I perhaps as well as any, as I have more cause to complain of it; but there is nothing new to be said of a patent absurdity-meanwhile we did not think it safe to alter it under the pressure of your hostility.
 * Book VI, 6.89-[6]

Book VII

 * They have discovered that the length of time we have now been in commission has rotted our ships and wasted our crews, and that with the completeness of our crews and the soundness of the pristine efficiency of our navy has departed. For it is impossible for us to haul our ships ashore and dry them out because the enemy's vessels being as many or more than our own, we are constantly anticipating an attack.
 * Book VII, 7.12-[3]-[4]

 * But what most oppressed them was that they had two wars at once, and has thus reached a pitch of frenzy which no one would have believed possible if he had heard of it before it had come to pass.
 * Book VII, 7.28-[3]

 * [T]he Thracian people, like the bloodiest of the barbarians, being ever most murderous when it has nothing to fear.
 * Book VII, 7.29-[4]

 * By day certainly the combatants have a clearer notion, though even then by no means of all that takes place, no one knowing much of anything that does not does not go on in his own immediate neighborhood; but in a night engagement (and this was the only one that occurred between great armies during the war) how could anyone know anything for certain?
 * Book VII, 7.44-[1]

 * Right or community of blood was not the bond of union between them, so much as interest or compulsion as the case may be.
 * Book VII, 7.57-[1]

 * When men are once checked in what they consider their special excellence, their whole opinion of themselves suffers more than if they had not at first believed in their superiority, the unexpected shock to their pride causing them to give way more than their real strength warrants; and that is probably now the case with the Athenians.
 * Book VII, 7.66-[3]

 * And the rarest dangers are those in which failure brings little loss and success the greatest advantage.
 * Book VII, 7.68-[3]

 * [T]heir swaying bodies reflected the agitation of their minds, and they suffered the worst agony of all, ever just within the reach of safety or just on the point of destruction.
 * Book VII, 7.71-[3] (See also: Fog of war).

 * The dead lay unburied, and each man as he recognized a friend among them shuddered with grief and horror; while the living whom they were leaving behind, wounded or sick, were to the living far more shocking than the dead, and more to be pitied than those who had perished.
 * Book VII, 7.75-[3]

Book VIII

 * In a democracy ...someone who fails to get elected to office can always console himself with the thought that there was something not quite fair about it.
 * Book VIII, 8.89
 * As quoted in A Historical Commentary on Thucydides: A Companion to Rex Warner’s Penguin Translation, David Cartwright/Rex Warner, University of Michigan Press (1997), p. 298: ISBN 0472084194
 * In the Richard Crawley translation, this quote is rendered as follows: "[...] under a democracy a disappointed candidate accepts his defeat more easily, because he has not the humiliation of being beaten by his equals."

 * The wide difference between the two characters, the slowness and want of energy of the Spartans as contrasted with the dash and enterprise of their opponents, proved of the greatest service, especially to a maritime empire like Athens. Indeed this was shown by the Syracusans, who were most like the Athenians in character, and also most successful in combating them.
 * Book VIII, 8.96-[5]

Misattributed
(1) "A nation that makes a great distinction between its scholars and its warriors will have its laws made by cowards and its wars fought by fools."

Widely attributed to Thucydides in books and online. In fact misquoted from Sir William Francis Butler, Charles George Gordon (1889), p. 85, where it reads: "The nation that will insist on drawing a broad line of demarcation between the fighting man and the thinking man is liable to find its fighting done by fools and its thinking done by cowards."

(2) "Of all manifestations of power, restraint impresses men the most."

Popularised by Colin Powell, this quotation is not found anywhere in Thucydides. It comes originally from the 19th-century author F.B. Jevons, in his book A History of Greek Literature: From the Earliest Period to the Death of Demosthenes, writing about prose style; it was then quoted, without attribution, by classicist Charles Forster Smith, including in the introduction to his Loeb translation of Thucydides, which probably explains why later readers thought he was actually quoting from Thucydides.

(3) "History is philosophy teaching from examples."

This is an ancient misattribution: it appears in a third-century CE Ars Rhetorica attributed (wrongly) to Dionysius of Halicarnassus: "The contact with manners then is education; and this Thucydides appears to assert when he says history is philosophy learned from examples" (XI.2). The phrase appears nowhere in Thucydides; it might be interpreted as a response, by an unknown admirer of Thucydides, to the argument of Aristotle (Poetics 1451b11) that history is inferior to poetry because it deals only with the particular, "what Alcibiades did and suffered", rather than the general.

(4) "Justice will not come to Athens until those who are not injured are as indignant as those who are injured."

This is often attributed to Thucydides (and sometimes, in a slightly different form, to Benjamin Franklin), but it actually comes from ancient accounts of the life of Solon, for example in Diogenes Laërtius' Lives of Eminent Philosophers I.59 and Plutarch's Solon 18.5.

(5) "Peace is only an armistice in an endless war."

Popularised by the movie Wonder Woman, where the line is spoken by general Ludendorff and 'recognised' by Diana as coming from Thucydides. It is not found anywhere in Thucydides; it does resemble a line in Plato's Laws, discussing the customs of the Cretans: "“Peace,” as the term is commonly employed, is nothing more than a name, the truth being that every State is, by a law of nature, engaged perpetually in an informal war with every other State" (Laws 626a).

(6) "A collision at sea can ruin your whole day."

Ascribed to Book IX, which is a clue that it's a joke as Thucydides wrote only eight books. This was invented by a student at the US Naval War College in 1960, and then quoted as a genuine line from Thucydides in the Reader's Digest in 1962.

(7) "Stories happen to those who tell them."

Attributed to Thucydides by a number of guides and blogs about becoming a writer (e.g. Lucy McCormick Calkins, The Art of Teaching Writing (Heinemann, 1994), pp. 21 and 23). A variant, "Great stories happen to those who can tell them", is associated with the radio and tv presenter Ira Glass, who used it in a 2001 podcast. The original source may be Paul Auster's The Locked Room, the third part of his New York Trilogy (Faber & Faber, 1987), p.222: "Stories happen only to those who are able to tell them, someone once said."

(8) "Hope is an expensive commodity. It makes better sense to be prepared."

The first part of the quote is a variant of Thucydides 5.103.1 (most translations say something like "Hope is prodigal by nature" (J. Mynott) or "[Hope's] nature is to be extravagant" (R. Crawley)). The second part, however, comes from the foreword of Richard Peston's biosecurity thriller The Cobra Event (Orion, 1998), p.xii; Peston quotes Thucydides and then comments himself, but both sentences have since been taken together and ascribed to Thucydides.

(9) "You should punish in the same manner those who commit crimes with those who accuse falsely."

Although this looks exactly the sort of thing that a demagogue like Cleon might say, there is no trace of this line or anything like it in Thucydides. Many ancient law-codes include punishment for bearing false witness; for example, the Babylonian Code of Hammurabi from c.1772 BCE: "3. If a man, in a case (pending judgment), bear false (threatening) witness, or do not establish the testimony that he has given, if that case be a case involving life, that man shall be put to death. 4. If a man (in a case) bear witness for grain or money (as a bribe), he shall himself bear the penalty imposed in that case.". However, the most likely source of this quote is the second Discourse of Isocrates, addressed to Nicocles, section 29: "Visit the same punishment on false-accusers as on evil-doers."

(10) "Knowledge without understanding is useless."

One might imagine someone characterising Thucydides' aims in these terms, but it's not a phrase he ever uses. It is most likely a version of Confucius, Analects II.XV: "Learning without thinking is wasted effort; thinking without learning is dangerous”.

(11) "The tyranny Athens imposed on others, it finally imposed on itself."

Not Thucydides - whose history broke off before the end of the war and the regime of the Thirty Tyrants in Athens - but journalist Chris Hedges, originally in a graduation speech at Rockford College, Illinois. Repeated in later articles, the wording changes (the original had “the Athenian leadership” imposing tyranny, not Athens), and it comes to be attributed directly to Thucydides.

(12) "The Greeks did not understand each other any longer, though they spoke the same language."

Used as a chapter epigram in Richard Kreitner's Break It Up: secession, division, and the secret history of America’s imperfect union (Little, Brown, 2020) and quoted in a New Yorker article by Robin Wright. This comes from a letter written in 1860 by the political scientist Francis Lieber to his son, and reads in full: "It sometimes has occurred to me that what Thucydides said of the Greeks at the time of the Peloponnesian War applies to us. The Greeks, he said, did not understand each other any longer, though they spoke Greek. Words received a different meaning in different parts". Lieber's final sentence is a garbled version of Thucydides 3.82.4; the rest is his own invention.

(13) "The peoples of the Mediterranean began to emerge from barbarism when they learned to cultivate the olive and the vine."

This line, regularly used in advertisements for wine companies, appeared in Hugh Johnson's Vintage: the story of wine (New York, 1989), p.35, and has been widely cited (and occasionally plagiarised) since then. The original version appears in the entry on 'Vinum' in the Dictionnaire des Antiquités Grecques et Romaines edited by C.V. Daremberg and E. Saglio (Paris, 1873-1919), in the footnote to a statement that 'viticulture is the indication of an advanced civilisation'. This reads: 'For Thucydides, the Greeks emerged from barbarism when they knew how to make plantations (1,2).' Thucydides 1.2 in fact states that the early Hellenes were pastoralists rather than practicing settled agriculture; one might infer that olives and vines are associated with a higher stage of development, but not - as the English quote implies - that this was the cause of that development.

Quotes about Thucydides

 * Of all histories I think Tacitus simply the best; Livy is very good; Thucydides above any of the writers of Greek matters.
 * Francis Bacon, Advice to Fulke Greville on his studies, quoted in The Oxford Authors: Francis Bacon, ed. Brian Vickers (1996), p. 105

 * Nor did Lord Chatham neglect to exercise an influence over the direction of William's graver studies. The Earl prudently, indeed, left to professional teachers the legitimate routine in the classic authors, but he made it his particular desire that Thucydides, the eternal manual of statesmen, should be the first Greek book which his son read after coming to college.
 * Edward Bulwer-Lytton, 'Pitt and Fox', The Quarterly Review (September 1855), quoted in Edward Bulwer-Lytton, Miscellaneous Prose Works, Vol. I (1868), p. 214

 * Recorded history is not an entirely unbroken saga of violence, but the historian knows that he must look much earlier than the twentieth century for the first examples of all the paraphernalia of violence with which the twentieth century has been familiar. International aggression, continuous, calculated, pathologically inspired? Thucydides is still the author of the best book on that subject.
 * F. H. Hinsley, Power and the Pursuit of Peace: Theory and Practice in the History of Relations between States (1963), p. 275

 * Another profound impression made on me at Oxford came when one morning I sat down in my huge basket chair and read the account of the Athenian expedition against Syracuse given by Thucydides in his History of the Peloponnesian War. It was the most dramatic thing I have ever read, the most overwhelming in its effect, and I have over and over again returned to it in my dramatic criticism.
 * Harold Hobson, Indirect Journey (1978), p. 164

 * For close, cogent, and appropriate reasoning upon practical political questions, the speeches of Thucydides have never been surpassed; and, indeed, they may be considered as having reached the highest excellence of which the human mind is capable in this department.
 * George Cornewall Lewis, A Treatise on the Methods of Observation and Reasoning in Politics, Vol. I (1852), p. 61

 * This day I finished Thucydides, after reading him with inexpressible interest and admiration. He is the greatest historian that ever lived.
 * Thomas Babington Macaulay, note dated February 27, 1835, in The Life and Letters of Lord Macaulay, ed. G. Otto Trevelyan, Vol. I (1875), Appendix, p. 409

 * The importance of the Peloponnesian War for our purposes is obvious. First, it—on Thucydides's account of it—exemplifies the strengths and weaknesses of democracy in ways that every succeeding age has seized on. On the one side, the resourcefulness, patriotism, energy, and determination of Athens were astonishing; on the other, the fickleness, cruelty, and proneness to dissension were equally astonishing. (…) Second, it reveals one major reason for the ultimate failure of the Greek states to survive the rise of the Macedonian and Roman empires. Greek city-states were conscious both of being Greek and of their own narrower ethnicity: Athenian, Theban, Spartan.
 * Alan Ryan, On Politics: A History of Political Thought: From Herodotus to the Present (2012), Ch. 1 : Why Herodotus?

 * The characteristics of his method of composing history consist, first, in the interweaving of political speeches, framed in a manner at once clear and elaborate, which introduce us into the secret motives and councils by which the political events of the period were governed, enable us to survey every particular incident exactly from that point of view in which it was regarded by each of the most opposite parties, and lay open the most hidden wiles of contending statesmen, with an acumen superior to what was ever exerted by the craftiest of them all; secondly, in an almost poetical, minute, energetic, and lively representation of battles, and those other external incidents which occupy but too great a space in the history of human affairs; and lastly, in the accumulation of all those highest excellencies of style, which can be embodied in the richest, most ornamented, and most energetic prose.
 * Friedrich Schlegel, Lectures on the History of Literature, Ancient and Modern (1841), p. 30

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The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy

The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy is a book by John Mearsheimer, Professor of Political Science at the University of Chicago, and Stephen Walt, Professor of International Relation at the Kennedy School of Government at Harvard Univeristy, published in late August 2007. It was a New York Times Best Seller. The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy was ranked 12th place on the non-fiction list for a total of one week.

The Lobby
The paper has the following to say about what it calls "The Lobby":

 * It is not meant to suggest that 'the lobby' is a unified movement with a central leadership, or that individuals within it do not disagree on certain issues.
 * The Lobby also includes prominent Christian evangelicals like Gary Bauer, Jerry Falwell, Ralph Reed and Pat Robertson, as well as Dick Armey and Tom DeLay...all of whom believe Israel's rebirth is the fufillment of biblical prophecy and support its expansionist agenda; to do otherwise, they believe, would be contrary to God's will."
 * Not all Jewish Americans are part of the Lobby, because Israel is not a salient issue for many of them.
 * "Many of the ovkey organizations in the Lobby, such as the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) and the Conference of Presidents of Major Jewish Organzations, are run by hardliners who generally support the Likud Party's expansionist policies, including its hostility to the Oslo Peace Process.
 * There is nothing improper about American Jews and their Christian allies attempting to sway US policy; the Lobby's activities are not a conspiracy... For the most part the individuals and groups in it are only doing what other special interest groups do, but doing it very much better.
 * Although neo-conservative and other Lobby leaders were eager to invade Iraq, the broader American Jewish Community was not."
 * What is needed is a candid discussion of the Lobby's influence and a more open debate about US interests in this vital region. Israel's well-being is one of those interests, but its continued occupation of the West Bank and its broader regional agenda are not.
 * The core of the Lobby is comprised of American Jews who make a significant effort in their daily lives to bend U.S. foreign policy so that it advances Israel's interests.
 * "The Lobby doesn’t want an open debate, of course, because that might lead Americans to question the level of support they provide."
 * The Lobby also monitors what professors write and teach. (this is a reference to Campus Watch)
 * Were it not for the Lobby’s ability to manipulate the American political system, the relationship between Israel and the United States would be far less intimate than it is today.
 * The bottom line is that AIPAC, which is a de facto agent for a foreign government, has a stranglehold on the U.S. Congress."
 * The Lobby also has significant leverage over the Executive branch. That power derives in part from the influence Jewish voters have on presidential elections.
 * Not surprisingly, American Jewish leaders often consult with Israeli officials, so that the former can maximize their influence in the United States.
 * Perhaps the most disturbing aspect of this campaign to eliminate criticism of Israel from college campuses is the effort by Jewish groups to push Congress to establish mechanisms that monitor what professors say about Israel." (this is a reference to the controversial HR 3077/HR 509 Bill in the U.S. Congress)

Strategic Asset

 * Backing Israel is not cheap, however, and it complicated America's relations with the Arab World.
 * The first Gulf War revealed the extent to which Israel was becoming a strategic burden.
 * In fact, Israel is a liability in the war on terror and the broader effort to deal with rogue states.
 * More important, saying that Israel and the US are united by a shared terrorist threat has the causal relationship backwards; the US has a terrorism problem because it is so closely aligned with Israel, not the other way around.
 * As for the so-called rogue states in the Middle East, they are not a dire threat to vital US interests, except inasmuch as they are a threat to Israel.
 * A final reason to question Israel's strategic value is that it does not behave like a loyal ally.

The Moral Case for Support

 * There is a strong moral case for supporting Israel's continued existence, but that is not in jeopardy.
 * Contrary to popular belief, the Zionists had larger, better equipped and better led forces during (list of wars from 1948-1967) - all of this before large-scale US aid began flowing.
 * Today Israel is the strongest military power in the Middle East. Its conventional forces are far superior to those of its neighbors and it is the only state in the region with nuclear weapons.
 * That Israel is a fellow democracy surrounded by hostile dictatorships cannot account for the current level of aid.
 * The country's creation was undoubtedly an appropriate response to the long record of crimes against Jews but it also brought about fresh crimes against a largely innocent third party: the Palestinians.
 * Yet on this ground (seeking peace), Israel's record is not distinguishable from that of its opponents.
 * ...Yitzhak Shamir, once a terrorist and later prime minister of Israel declared that 'neither Jewish ethics nor Jewish tradition can disqualify terrorism as a means of combat.'

Quotes about

 * On June 8, 1967, during the Six-Day War, the Israeli military attacked the USS Liberty, an American spy ship which had been monitoring Israeli transmissions about the conflict. Intercepted Israeli communications indicated that the goal was to sink the Liberty and leave no survivors.Warplanes and torpedo boats had already killed 34 and wounded 174, when Halbardier slid over the Liberty’s napalm-glazed deck to jury-rig an antenna and get an SOS off to the Sixth Fleet. The Israelis intercepted the SOS and broke off the attack immediately. In effect, Halbardier prevented the massacre of all 294 onboard. Still, the infamy of the attack on the Liberty was two-fold. First, the Liberty, a virtually defenseless intelligence collection platform prominently flying an American flag in international waters, came under deliberate attack by Israeli aircraft and three 60-ton Israeli torpedo boats off the coast of the Sinai on a cloudless June afternoon during the six-day Israeli-Arab war. Second, President Lyndon Johnson called back carrier aircraft dispatched to defend the Liberty lest Israel be embarrassed, the start of an unconscionable cover-up, including top Navy brass, that persists to this day.
 * Does all this have relevance today? Of course. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu understands that there is little that Israel could do that would earn the opprobrium of the U.S. Congress or retaliation from the White House, whether it’s building illegal settlements or slaughtering civilians in Gaza. The Israelis seem convinced they remain in the catbird’s seat, largely because of the Israel Lobby’s influence with U.S. lawmakers and opinion makers.
 * Ray McGovern in A USS Liberty’s Hero’s Passing, Consortium News (8 June 2019)


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Speaker References
I suggest that this page's quotes should be listed by actor.

What about instances where the quote is spoken by an actor playing a voiceover role...is it important then? Eganio 08:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

If there are no objections, I will go ahead and insert them. I will leave instances of quotes emanating solely from images in the show (such as "Worthington's Law: More Money = Better Than") blank, since no one explicitly speaks them. Eganio 02:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

OK, someone please fill in any blanks they can on the speakers. My DVDs are deteriorating, and are practically unwatchable, so I can't refer to the commentary anymore. In particular the three kids that were on the show (young Josh Fenderman, doing the Frankie P. Cheezewinkle's commercial; young Bob in "What's a gagortion?"; and the "Please Don't Kill Me" kid) need to be referenced. I think they mention who they are in the commentaries, but I don't remember their names. Eganio 05:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, and does anyone know who did the voice of Pit-Pat? It sounds like Bob, but I don't remember them saying one way or the other in the commentary. Eganio 05:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Ghost of Gene Wilder???
Where does the ghost of Gene Wilder quote come from? I know every episode from every season backwards and forwards, and do not recall anything at all similar to it. Is it from something attached to the show? Please let me know, as I'd like to see it! Eganio 02:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

75.132.23.16 05:28, 29 October 2007 (UTC) --This is from a "Best Of" clip show, done between Seasons Three and Four (I believe). It's done in the style of a faux news broadcast, linking clips together from Season Three called "The Best of Mr. Show: The Incredible, Fantastical News Report." In one instance, the male anchor says the line about Gene Wilder's ghost ("Gene Wilder attempted to reach us, but we didn't accept the charges..." great line). It's on the DVD of either Season Three of Four (I honestly don't remember) as a bonus feature.

Arrangement
I have looked at the pages for very well-known shows, such as "Seinfeld" and "Friends", and they have quotes organized by season and show, so I think I will go ahead and do the same in order to "conform to a higher standard of article quality", as mentioned at the top of the main page. I figure that enough people have contributed to those pages, that they have been organized appropriately, and likely provide a reasonable guide for this page. Eganio 05:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Done. Please change any errors you see. I think it's pretty clean, but please feel free to spruce it up to your standards! Eganio 10:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Margaret Cho
Is it worthy to note that Margaret Cho was in the audience of Episode 3 of Season 1 (Episode #103)? Eganio 10:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup tag
I've restored the cleanup tag - although there has been considerable cleanup to this page, there is still some work needed. Quote marks need to be removed, and proper format of quotes is needed (e.g. David: blah, blah, blah), followed by half-width breaks between quotes). ~ UDScott 12:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I've cleaned up the first episode to give an example of how the page should look. ~ UDScott 13:02, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Thank you very much for the assistance. I haven't taken the time to delve deep enough into the guidelines for this sort of thing, so it helps to have someone who knows what they're doing help me out!  I sincerely appreciate your input, and will clean up the remainder accordingly. Eganio 23:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Alright. Done. Please verify its cleanliness. Eganio 01:53, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks much better - good work. ~ UDScott 13:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Fill in the blanks...please!
So, I have tried to clean this page up as much as possible. Unfortunately, as you likely have already noticed, there are places where I put "Unknown speaker" or "Announcer", etc. My DVDs are so worn out, that they are virtually unwatchable, so I had to do all of this from memory. So, if anyone has the DVDs, please watch with commentary, or try to peruse the credits, and fill in those parts where a specific actor is not listed:

 * 1.2 - who the hell does Pit-Pat's voice? I don't recall.
 * According to List of characters from Mr. Show it is Bob Odenkirk ~ UDScott 13:25, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That's what I thought, just needed confirmation. Eganio 21:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1.3 - who's doing the voiceover for the Supermodel Calling Service commercial?
 * 3.1 - who's the old guy boarding up his house, saying he's not afraid of the Devastator?
 * 3.1 - who's doing the commercial voiceover during the Smithy's Barrows commercial after the "Limits of Science" educational film?
 * Tom Kenny
 * 3.3 - who are the two guys playing the rappers "Kill or Be Killed" and "Professor Murder" (which, by the way, is a band) ?
 * Jonathan Fowler Jr. plays Killer B. Killed - 75.100.233.84 23:30, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Sam Sarpong plays Professor Murder...found it on the cast list on IMDB.
 * Also, the band is named after the character from Mr. Show.
 * 3.3 - who're playing Hallucino-Jenny and Mayor O. D. McCrack (Possibly Andy Daly) in Druggachussetts?
 * 3.5 - who's the little boy asking Dr. X not to kill him?
 * 3.6 - who plays Grandpa Timmy?
 * 4.3 - who's the little boy playing 4-year-old Bob, asking what a gagortion is?
 * 4.3 - who's "interviewing" Rhonda and Del Crow?
 * 4.5 - who plays William van Landingham III?
 * Jerry Messing
 * 4.5 - again, who's the guy playing Professor Murder?
 * Sam Sarpong.
 * 4.6 - who plays Jay's mom, who gets a leather sap to the head at the dinner table for refusing to supply gravy?
 * 4.6 - who does the voiceover for Gary, the porn director, when he's getting attacked by Captain Tragedy?
 * Bob Odenkirk
 * 4.8 - who does the voiceover for the Kittle boys, as they travel from Hapsburg, MD, to attend the Civil War reenactment in Turner Springs?
 * 4.9 - who plays Lucian, He Who Watches All of Television?
 * Logan O'Brien as Lucian
 * 4.10 - who plays young Josh Fenderman in the Frankie P. Cheezewinkle's commercial?
 * Miscellaneous - where the *%@& does that Ghost of Gene Wilder quote come from, and who says it?! Does it even belong here?!?!

I would very much appreciate any help! Eganio 01:56, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Something sticking in my craw
Like the Mr. Show Crackerbarrel line indicates, something is bothering me: should we use character names instead of cast member names for speaker reference? It might be difficult with some, since finding out the character's name might prove to be difficult. Futhermore, since this is a sketch comedy with only one re-occurring sketch (Ronnie Dobbs) and only a few instances of re-appearing side characters (Droopy and Senator Howell Tankerbell each appeared a total of 3 times, while Dylan, T.T.O.M.O., Blueberry Head, Fancy Pants, and Fervel Lankman each appear twice), the number of different character is immense. What does everyone (anyone?) think? Eganio 10:41, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As you say, it may be difficult, but I think it would be better to have the character names rather than the actors' names for the quotes. That is the usual practice with TV shows. ~ UDScott 13:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'm going to reverse myself here. Since it is a sketch-comedy show, I think it would be ok to leave the actors' names rather than the characters they played. Or maybe you could list both? I'm not sure which way to go here, since sometimes the character name (if known) is funny in and of itself. ~ UDScott 13:21, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, I agree with you that the guidelines do indicate character when referencing the quote's speaker, but this seems to only work for situational comedies, where core characters rarely, if ever, change. In the case of sketch comedies, it's much harder to make that distinction.  Sketch comedies often do have several re-occurring sketches and characters (e.g. Mr. Show, In Living Color, SNL, Mad TV, etc.), but are comprised mainly of pseudo-real life situations where mention of a character's name becomes inconsequential in the context of a comedic representation of "every day life" for everyman, rather than a specific character.  Is that more or less what you were referring to?  If so, I am in complete agreement, and would venture that it might be best to put it in a format like this:

 * Character name or short description (actor): Blah, blah, blah.

 * What are your thoughts? Eganio 22:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

 * Well, I am just going to go ahead and do it the way that was proposed by UDScott and me, and list both character and actor. I will do my damnedest to find obscure character names, but I will definitely need assistance.  I will put in a short description of the character for instances where I think it's appropriate, but please change anything you see that is unnecessary or wrong, and add anything you feel is necessary. Eganio 01:48, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Cast
Thanks for adding the "Cast" heading, whoever that was (I'm assuming it was UDScott, since no one else seems to be on here). So, should we include "Featured Cast" and "Frequent Collaborators", since many quotes come from non-main cast? And should we keep Jay Johnston under main cast, even though he was officially main cast only for the very last episode? I do like how you did it...I was just wondering if you think it's necessary to add frequently (i.e. more than once) seen people like Jack Black, Sarah Silverman, Brian Posehn, Mary Lynn Rajskub, Paul F. Tompkins, Jerry Minor, Karen Kilgariff, Brett Paesel, Becky Thyre, Dino Stamatopoulos, Scott Aukerman, B J Porter, Scott Adsit, Sam Sarpong, Freez Luv, etc. Eganio 00:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We had a discussion about this at one time, and the consensus was to just list the main cast on a tv show. It's ok to still have quotes form the others (and list their names there), but for the cast section, just list the main players. I wouldn't be opposed to adding some of the prominent names you mentioned (assuming they were more on more than just a few episodes) to the list already started. ~ UDScott 16:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, UDScott. I am in complete agreement.  I actually don't think it's necessary to add any of them, since it would be an effort in futility to try and determine who appeared more often than another, IMO.  Anyway, it might border on "the indiscriminate collection of items of information".  I will leave it alone. Eganio 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Synopsis at top
I changed "featuring" to "hosted by", because I think Bob and David are better categorized as the hosts of the show, while all other actors are "featured" as playing characters. Bob and David play "themselves" at the beginning of every episode, and therefore merit a more global categorization like host, IMO. Eganio 01:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Almost there
OK, I have added the character names, and where appropriate, tried to include a brief descirption. I put actor names in parentheses, and left "unknown" for those I still haven't figured out (listed above). So, please look it over, if you would be so kind, and see where there are holes to be filled, or words to be changed, etc. Also, the last four episodes of season 4 I just gave up on, because my DVD is FUBAR, and I was getting very frustrated, after having done all three other seasons from barely watchable DVDs...grrrrrrr. Eganio 09:47, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks really good. ~ UDScott 16:00, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I will do my best to get the remainder done tonight, since I have taken a break, and allowed the frustration of trying to watch my crappy DVDs wear off...I'm ready for another try. Eganio 00:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

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This was added to the article by, though it belongs here:
 * Tag above this calls Bunuel a Mexican director. While he became a Mexican citizen he was Spanish by birth.

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Unsourced

 * Mystery is the key element in any work of art.
 * http://www.sabidurias.com/autor/luis-bunuel/es/137
 * Science does not interest me. It ignores dreams, randomness, laughter, feeling and contradiction; the things that are precious to me.
 * http://www.sabidurias.com/autor/luis-bunuel/es/137
 * Fashion is like being part of a herd; it's more interesting to do whatever you want.
 * http://www.sabidurias.com/autor/luis-bunuel/es/137
 * I'm dying.
 * His last words
 * Love without sin is like an egg without salt.
 * Everyone is free to find in my films anything he likes or whatever is useful to him.
 * I observed things that moved me and I wanted to transpose those things on to the screen—-but to do so with love I have for the instinctive and the irrational that can reveal itself in anything and everything. I've always been drawn toward the strange and the unknown.
 * I loathe films that make the poor romantic and sweet

 * Communism is one of the greatest things known to man.

 * Spanish Republic is a great state of freedom, justice and triumph of socialism.

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Welcome
Hi. Welcome to English Wikiquote. Enjoy! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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Andromeda Strain film quotes
I noticed that you recently add a bunch of quotes from the film Andromeda Strain to the article The Andromeda Strain, which is about the book. Could you please integrate these quotes instead into The Andromeda Strain (film), which is exclusively for the film quotes? Thank you for your assistance. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:25, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

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Portal 2

 * This discussion is copied from the Portal 2 talk page.

Why did you revert all my changes to Portal 2? I have been careful to keep the number of quotes constant in accordance with copyright, and I have commented all my changes in case someone disagreed with them. Your "minor" change reverting all my work contains no comment at all, and your statements on the Portal 2 talk page are not indicative of any disagreement. – Vpsilon 18:09, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

 * As to the quotes: I don't see what's so quotable about, for example, the "air" quote. Or the fat joke from the test chambers (indeed, GLaDOS makes many of them). Likewise, the Cave Johnson quotes are good, but again, those aren't as quotable (read: funny) as the previous ones. It's a matter of preference, really; I don't see how the Space Core is so "quotable", and we could replace Wheatley's soliloquy with another Cave quote, or the Schrodinger's cat quote from the Fact Sphere. Will (talk) 05:02, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

 * I agree, humor is subjective. However, we could try to use Google results as a guideline for determining which lines are more quoteworthy, that is, which quotes humor the largest number of people. Also, this reddit discussion is useful since people vote on their favorite quotes (the Space Core gets quite a high score). Anyhow, the current revision is a good compromise between your favorites and my favorites, and we should welcome others to add their favorite quotes as long as they honor the rule of keeping the total number of quotes constant. A mixture of opinions is more objective than a single opinion. – Vpsilon 11:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Welcome
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Imogen Heap
I have removed your nomination of Imogen Heap from Votes for deletion because it did not follow the instructions listed at the top of the page. Please read these before nominating an article. Let me know if you have any questions. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:23, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

 * It's the fault of copyvio; I used that templated and it gave me a link to a new section, so I just did that. Thanks anyway, though. Will {{sup|{talk)}} 22:29, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for pointing out the technical problem. I'll look into fixing it. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:05, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Odd IP page creation
Thanks for picking that up. Actually some form of "vandal bot" it is believed - always has some form of message very similar too "nice site". For me a block one & I did, cheers -- Herby talk thyme 14:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

T-Pain
If the lyrics are copyrighted, why do we have them on other articles here? 71.233.232.243 19:44, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Thankee! :)
Yay! :) Phaedriel 14:02, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

CU
I really do appreciate the thought but it should be folk well known to the community rather than me - my thanks & regards -- Herby talk thyme 18:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Scetre, in the future, it may be better to e-mail this user first or contact them on IRC before you nominate them. :) Cheers!  Cbrown1023    talk   19:51, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Michael Savage
Please see the note I left on this page's Talk page. I completely agree that much of what you deleted was justified, but I also think there was a lot that should remain as well (and of course cleaned up some). Thanks. ~ UDScott 20:11, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

In reply
That "test" as you called it, was no test. It was a doubled quote. And I'm referring to the Pat Benatar "Love is a battlefield" quote on love. It is listed under the letter P and letter B sections. But thanks for letting me know that improving articles is looked down upon here. --User:76.109.1.254 17:40, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Greetings - Good, Bad, Ugly changes?
Greetings, apparently you made an update to Good, Bad, Ugly article? Cool. Hmmm, however, I don't see what changed, can you give additional info? - just curious, thanks...

Thanks
i have not vandalized any page on wikiquote or edit warred AFUSCO 01:12, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Picasso
You recently created a page called "Transwiki: Pablo Picasso" which consisted of a number of unsourced quotes from another website. I merged the quotes with the Pablo Picasso article and deleted your article. But I'm curious as to why you didn't do it that way yourself. I believe the transwiki project exists for moving things from one wiki to another (for instance, from wikipedia to wikiquote, or en.wikipedia to fr.wikipedia), and that its purpose is to ensure that GFDL information doesn't get lost. I'm pretty sure it's not for copying things from arbitrary web sites to wiki sites. In fact, copying things directly is likely to be a copyright violation, even if, as you did, you mention the source. If you want to copy from another source, please be selective, change the order of quotes, and integrate into existing pages. If I have misunderstood your intent, please let me know. --Ubiquity 14:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Will, I am not impugning you, your contributions, your abilities as an editor or your value to the wiki projects. I am specifically addressing a single page, the nature of the transwiki project, and the problems of copying pages wholesale from other sites. I don't see what your credentials have to do with that. If you think I'm wrong, check with another admin. I'm pretty sure they would all agree with me. --Ubiquity 15:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, I understand. I realize you were just trying to help. --Ubiquity 18:06, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

 * [Posted to both User talk:Sceptre and User talk:Ubiquity] … FYI, the process to transwiki into Wikiquote is described in detail at Help:Transwiki. It is completely appropriate for a transwikier to copy quote material from a Wikipedia article into a page called "Transwiki:name of article". (I probably would have used "Transwiki:Pablo Picasso" instead of Transwiki:Quotations by Pablo Picasso based on the likely destination page, but using the WP article title also makes perfect sense. It's a temporary page anyway and is in the Transwiki: space primarily so that the transfer process does not have to be completed by someone who may not know the policies and guidelines of the target project.) While Will did log its transfer from WP, he did not log its transfer to WQ in Transwiki per our policy (which follows Wikimedia-wide practice per m:Help:Transwiki). This informs people from both projects where articles are coming from and going to. (Some projects delete their logs after the transwiki is completed; we leave ours for future reference, as one never knows when someone might wonder what happened to their pet article.)

 * What is supposed to happen on the destination end is that a Wikiquotian will notice either the log entry or the new addition to Category:Move into Wikiquote. (That assumes the WP "Copy to Wikiquote" template is changed to Move to Wikiquote, which was not done here. I notice that our help page doesn't specify this step. Either I forgot to add that requirement, or WP's practice changed from using the template we still specify to using something that no longer works here. A redirect should fix that problem.) Anyway, the receiving Wikiquotian then decides whether to move, merge, or delete the incoming transwiki. Will did nothing wrong in leaving the merge to another editor.

 * Many editors bypass all the formalities and simply copy the material from WP to WQ. This is very bad and should be discouraged vehemently. It violates GFDL by providing no clear credit, link, or even association with the originating article. In the past year or so, we've tried to cut corners by at least mandating the inclusion of an unlabeled link back to the WP article (e.g., "Quotations by Pablo Picasso") in the edit summary (or on the discussion page if the copying editor forgets this step). Will did not do this, either, so there is no record on Wikiquote of where this page came from. We must have either the log or the edit-summary link as a very minimum record. NOTE, however, that if the transwikied material is an article that may be deleted, as this one was, this shortcut link is not appropriate, because the edit history will be lost to the general public when the source article is deleted. In these cases, one must provide a copy of the source article's edit history on the discussion page of the Transwiki page, which will then need to be transferred to the discussion pages of any articles that receive merged information. (If the Transwiki: page is simply deleted — and logged as deleted at Transwiki! — this is not necessary, just as it is not necessary to have a public record of contributions to any ordinary deleted article.)

 * It's now possible for some editors to export and import material between projects, which provides proper links and/or credits without much of the hassle of transwiki. I'm afraid I've been too distracted to investigate and document this, but Jusjih has been working on this recently.

 * Ubiquity says this material came from another website. That's good WQ detective work, but the misunderstading might have been avoided or lessened if he'd had the log to see that it was from WP and not this other website that Will transferred the material. However, it is not the responsibility of the transwikier to determine whether the transwikied material is acceptable to the project. We have the two-step process precisely to allow the destination project to make that determination, as Ubiquity did by finding that the WP material appears to be merely a copy of another website. (Even when the transwikier is a Wikiquotian, too, as Will is, one should consider that the transwiki process is enough of a bear not to expect them to do the full process at once. Of course, we have a serious backlog of material to finish transwikiing, but that's just one of our many backlogs.)

 * Ubiquity, in completing the transwiki, also failed either to log the transwiki completion or to credit the originating WP article in any edit summary, instead noting the apparent origin of the WP material. Technically, even this violates GFDL, as it fails to credit the WP editor(s) even if their work is borrowed. (One might ultimately determine they have no right to a copyright of their contributions, but it's a lot harder to work that out than just to add the article pointer or log the darn transfer and let others worry about the legal issues.)

 * I don't want to sound too critical about this. Most transwiki work that I've seen on Wikimedia projects, at least that done by non-bots, is horrendously improper. It's so bad that it could be used as an argument by Wikimedia copyright violators that we don't take our own licensing policies seriously, so why should they? But that won't change unless we read the instructions, improve them where needed, and follow them whenever possible.

 * My lack of participation in this work in the past 2 years has certainly contributed to these ongoing problems, which is one of many reasons I'm hoping to hand over some responsibilities that I think others would like to do. Meanwhile, I'd be happy to answer questions about this. Despite this critical review, I would like to thank you both for trying to get this right, which is more than most editors do. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:23, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

OK, I get it now. I was misled by the source at the bottom of the page into thinking the page had come directly from the other site, and didn't realize what you were trying to do, Will. Sorry about that. Thanks, Jeff, for explaining the process. --Ubiquity 18:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

 * By the way, I finished the formal transwiki by copying the edit history from Talk:Transwiki:Quotations by Pablo Picasso to Talk:Pablo Picasso (in a slightly different format that adds WP links to the users to avoid confusion w/ possibly different WQ users), deleted the transwiki talk page, and logged the 3-part transfer (well, 2 steps with 3 pages involved) at Transwiki. I'm afraid it's not hard to see why so many folks prefer to avoid this process. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:46, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Portal (game)
I think some of the confusion with Portal (game) that you mentioned at WQ:AN may have come from your use of automatic "popup" reversion edit summaries without any description of why you were doing the reversions. Although you had cited "copyright" as the rationale for earlier edits on this article, the popup messages didn't provide any indication that this is what you were continuing to do. It's important to be explicit about why you're reverting edits, especially when someone disagrees with your reversions or the original edits. (That's why I never use my sysop ability to do one-button reversions unless what I'm reverting is obvious vandalism — the automatic edit summaries don't explain anything.)

Could you please try to include some reason when you do these popup-executed reversions? Also, when you find yourself in back-and-forth reversions with another editor, please post a note on the article talk page presenting your case. (There's already an existing discussion on "Excessive quoting" that you could add to.) Thank you for your consideration. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:38, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks for including some specific text in your latest reversion, but an ejaculation like "sigh..." isn't a reason. Could you please make your summaries include a terse justification (e.g., "reverted addition not justified per discussion"), which would provide editors with some explanation of why the edit was done (a major purpose of edit summaries)? I would remind you that if you intend to stand for admin again in the near future, meaningful edit summaries will be more useful in incrementally helping your case than mere wry statements. (Wry is fine, but it doesn't obviate the need for clarity and specificity when dealing with editing controversies.) Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:39, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Um, Jeff, why'd you put an inappropriate word in there? - Arbok 00:59, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Arbok, I see no inappropriate words in my above post. The only word I can imagine you are referring to is "ejaculation", which has a connotation that is indecorous in some civil discourse. If so, I would refer you to ejaculation, which shows my usage as definition #2 and the biological one (arguably used inappropriately in some situations) as #4, and to Ejaculation (grammar), which discusses precisely my usage. (I'd considered "exclamation", but that was too strong a term for Sceptre's "sigh…", as he was apparently expressing mild dismay, not outrage.) I'd also suggest that people tend to focus a bit too much these days on ways to be offended, assuming the worst. As several editors have said in your current RFA, here we try to do better by assuming good faith. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:19, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Closing rights discussions
Will, please do not close WQ:RFA discussions unless and until you become an admin, and never when you are engaged with a serious conflict with the candidate. This is the kind of thing that gets admins de-sysopped, and you haven't even become one yet!

I've re-closed the discussion, even though I was also involved with Arbok discussions, because I believe I established that I had no axe to grind even in the face of his highly questionable edits. (Please see the RFA for more info.) I believe your implicit use of w:WP:SNOW was justified, but someone else should have invoked it because it is controversial even when disinterested parties use it. I'm taking the heat for this because I want to stop several bad precedents that were developing in this situation. Otherwise, I would have just reverted your closure and let it sit until someone else closed it. With Arbok blocked for a week, it would have been closed before he returned anyway.

We probably have been a bit slow to respond to Arbok, who is either a seriously and dangerously inattentive editor or a practiced troll trying to get a foothold on WQ. (I still favor the first hypothesis, but won't rule out the second.) But it's even important to calmly follow established practices (like making edit justifications in summaries, which you have yet to do even now in your Portal (game) reversions, and posting your disagreements with editors on article talk pages, even in the face of your opponent's refusal to do so) when things get heated. By being the calm and effective editor in a situation like this, you make it much easier for neutral parties to see the problem and fix it. But when you let careless or rude editors drive you to taking improper actions yourself, you not only complicate others' attempts to untangle the mess they find, you also disincline the community to trust you with more responsibilities.

I'm telling you this because I'd like to see you become an admin down the road. You are clearly committed to the principles of Wikiquote, and have been a very effective editor here. I'd like to see you demonstrate the patience required to be an effective admin in the face of editors who sometimes seem to be trying to annoy you, even when they are really just failing to pay attention. It's easy to wield the tools of adminship; the challenge is using them with patience, prudence, and as much good faith as can be squeezed out of situations where one cannot easily tell the difference between a stubbornly foolish person and a true vandal. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * P.S. As far as I'm concerned, there is no such thing as "copyright vandalism". One of my bête noirs is people using the term "vandalism" for anything they find disagreeable from editors who are not cooperating. Restoring material likely to be a copyright violation is not vandalism, even if it's done 20 times by the same person. It's a content dispute, and it should be handled on the article talk page, especially when it turns into an edit war. If the community and/or admins are slow to help in dealing with the problem, bring it up on WQ:VP or WQ:AN. If people are still slow to respond, find an admin who's currently editing (through "Recent changes") and ask them on their talk page. Don't become part of the problem by putting excessive labels on the issue. "Copyvio" is an serious and effective accusation on its own, and will generally get you quick action if you bring it up at WQ:AN. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:34, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * By the way, I said copyright vandalism in the sense of the policy: "Copyrighted material vandalism: Knowingly adding copyrighted material to Wikiquote articles in violation of Wikiquote policy is vandalism. Because users may be unaware that the information is copyrighted, or of Wikiquote policy in this regard, such action only becomes vandalism if it continues after the relevant policy and copyrighted nature of the material have been established." Will (talk) 11:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Ouch! I hadn't noticed the poor state of Vandalism. This is yet another Essjay-copied WP policy that we haven't really adapted for Wikiquote. But I can hardly blame you for using it to cite problems. My apologies.

 * I've posted a bit of a diatribe at Wikiquote talk:Vandalism expressing my displeasure at the absurd number of unproductive actions that have been labelled "vandalism" by Wikipedia, no doubt out of their own frustration with uncooperative editors. I hope I can convince our community that there are better ways to deal with problem editors than treating them all like virtual graffiti artists. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Scrubs
I hope I am not being touchy, but please do not leave personal attacks in your edit summaries. If you feel I removed the quote you liked better (which as it happens is the one I found least quotable), just replace one of the others with that one, and if you want to talk about it, leave me a message on my talk page. -Sketchmoose 13:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry.
I'm sorry. Anyway, I've changed a lot since joining Wikipedia December 2008. - Arbok 03:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Julia Gillard
Thank you for your helpful contribution to Julia Gillard. However, the quotes should be a subdivision of the overall Quotes section. I have re-ordered it. Thanks again, and please continue contributing.--Abramsky (talk) 16:39, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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Please leave new messages at w:User talk:Martinp23 if you expect a response :). Thanks, Martinp23 16:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

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User talk:Quiddity

please use wikipedia:User talk:Quiddity. thanks :)

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Log-in question
Hi

Even when I am logged into WQ I must separately log-in to any other wmf-wiki I wish to contribute to. Sometime ago, this was not necessary since I was already automagically logged into all wikis simultaneously. I much prefer it that way especially since I find myself at enwiki a lot without realizing I am out of WQ. It would be easy to unintentionally edit enwiki when I am not logged-in, and I'd rather not have to defend myself against accusations for sockpuppeting. I hope I am making sense?

Thanks in advance for explaining how this global log-in is supposed to work, Ottawahitech (talk) 20:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * The usual solution is either "log-out, then log-in again", OR "log-out, clear ALL wikimedia-related cookies, log-in again".
 * For future technical questions, please ask at the meta-wiki or mediawiki-wiki Help-desk locations. Thanks. Quiddity (talk) 23:25, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

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User talk:EpicCentury

Welcome
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User talk:Lilyep08~enwikiquote

Welcome
Hi. Welcome to English Wikiquote. Enjoy! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:27, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
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Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Lilyep08. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Lilyep08~enwikiquote that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 05:52, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:Lilyep08~enwikiquote