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Apple TV

Apple TV is a media extender manufactured by Apple.

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 * ....won’t follow in the world-altering footsteps of the iPod...clear that the Apple TV isn’t for everyone...decision will be based on whether you have enough computer-based media files—and a fast enough network.
 * Chris Breen, Macworld, Apple TV Macworld, March 30 2007

 * ...people who live in iTunes will enjoy the simplicity of just plugging it in and never having to fuss with anything...anyone should be able to use it with ease. For users who don't want to concern themselves with media library management, disparate home media serving and libraries, and the more complex bits about digital media in your home theater, there simply isn't an easier, more enjoyable way to get content from your computer to your HDTV.
 * Ben Drawbaugh, Apple TV review engadget

 * ...best suited for iTunes addicts only.
 * John P. Falcone, CNET, Review: Apple TV best for iTunes addicts CNN March 27, 2007

 * ...We're in two businesses today, we'll be very shortly in three business and a hobby. One is our Mac business, second is our music business, third business is the phone business, handsets. And the hobby is Apple TV. The reason I call it a hobby is a lot of people have tried and failed to make it a business. It's a business that's hundreds of thousands of units per year but it hasn't crested to be millions of units per year, but I think if we improve things we can crack that...I use the word hobby because it's provocative, but the iPod started this way.
 * Steve Jobs, Steve Jobs live from D 2007 Engadget

 * ...That's a good idea! Let's do it! No... these ideas will percolate up, we'll have a collection of ideas of what we can do with this stuff. I think a normal web browser is not necessarily what people want in their living room.
 * Steve Jobs, Apple Inc., D 2007, after being asked about having Apple TV go anywhere to get video, not just YouTube.

 * ...a very well-designed product that easily brings the computer and the TV together.
 * Walt Mossberg, Wall Street Journal,.

 * Geeks are more likely than anyone else to hate the Apple TV out of the box...almost everyone else who witnessed the Apple TV in action in our presence fell in love with it instantaneously (about half of which were not Mac users).
 * Jacqui Cheng and Clint Ecker, Ars Technica.

 * ...comes up very short. It's as if Apple had launched an iPod that sounded like a cassette player.
 * Peter Svensson, AP, |title=Apple TV's shortcomings make the Xbox 360 a better choice|author=Peter Svensson|date=2007-04-08|work=www.heraldnet.com|accessdate=2007-04-10}}.

 * ...for those who want to use a proven, easy-to-use interface to play a huge and diverse iTunes library through a home-entertainment system.
 * Consumer Reports' Paul Reynolds, Consumer Reports,.

 * ...only for those people who have drunk the Apple Kool-Aid and decided they really like the taste and can afford the upscale lifestyle.
 * Paul Thurrott, Windows SuperSite,.

 * ...the first media streaming device I could imagine recommending to a non-geek.
 * Edward N. Albro, PC World,.

 * Overall, it does a pretty damn good job, despite some limitations.
 * Tim Gideon and Joel Santo Domingo, PC Magazine,.

 * ...does so much and works so well...Apple TV is an amazing first-generation product.
 * Troy Dreier, Computer Shopper,.

 * Apple TV offers a gracious, delightful experience — but requires fidelity to Apple’s walled garden.
 * David Pogue, Apple TV Has Landed New York Times

 * ...one of those products that you either love or shun....it'll undoubtedly appeal to a great number of TV and home-video enthusiasts. On the other hand, it seems to truly be a niche product...it's not necessarily something I absolutely need to have or use all the time. I don't see it revolutionizing my world.
 * Jason Tomczak, Digital Trends,.

 * ...good, but not great, and suffers from a few flaws...
 * MacRumors.com,.

 * ...a partial solution in need of being completed...a somewhat impressively executed but ultimately niche product.
 * Jeremy Horwitz, iLounge,.

 * ...as long as you're content living and playing in an iTunes world, Apple TV more than lives up to its hype. It's the most elegant digital media adapter yet, and one that we assume will only get better with age.
 * Stewart Wolpin, Laptop magazine,.

 * ...If you buy a lot of content from the iTunes Store, then the Apple TV is a great way to experience your purchased content on your TV...The best set top box depends on your usage patterns, if and where you buy DRM media from, and desire to modify the unit.
 * Anthony Fiti, The Tech Lounge,.

 * ...a very elegant solution to a sometimes difficult problem: getting all that media from your PC to your TV...If you are trying to get the latest technology and HD content from your PC to your TV, the Apple TV has a few hurdles you'll have to deal with...has great potential and opens a lot of doors for the digital home for everyone.
 * Ryan Shrout, PC Perspective,.

Comments from Apple

 * Making a component for the living room is easy to do, but it is the go-to-market strategy that is difficult. It's not a technical problem.... I don't think the convergence of television and computer is going to happen.
 * Steve Jobs, at the Apple Expo Paris: Jobs discusses music labels, iPods, Intel Macs

 * ...it's Apple TV. You can buy great content on iTunes... and you can put that content on your iPod. Now you can buy a widescreen TV and hook up an Apple TV to it, and wireless transmit that content to your bigscreen TV. It's that simple.
 * ...We think this is pretty cool. Movies, TV shows, music, and photos all on your widescreen TV. Priced at $299. And, we'll be shipping them in February, we'll be taking order starting today. Enjoy your media on your bigscreen TV, we think this is really going to be something special.
 * Steve Jobs, Apple Inc., at Macworld Live from Macworld 2007: Steve Jobs keynote first=Ryan|last=Block|date=2007-01-09|publisher=Engadget|accessdate=2009-03-13}}.

 * ...Apple TV was designed to be an accessory for iTunes and your computer. It was not what people wanted. We learned what people wanted was movies, movies, movies
 * Steve Jobs, Apple Inc., at Macworld 2008

 * ...well again I think the whole category is still a hobby right now. I don't think anybody has succeeded at it. And actually the experimentation has slowed down. A lot of the early companies that were trying things have faded away. So I have to say that given the economic conditions, given the venture capital outlook and stuff, I continue to believe that it will be a hobby in 2009.
 * Steve Jobs, Apple Inc., during Apple's fourth quarter 2008 conference call

 * ...there was a tremendous tickup year over year [for Apple TV]. In fact unit sales were up over 3 times vs the year-ago quarter. However let me be clear, we still consider this a hobby.
 * acting chief executive Tim Cook, Apple Inc., during Apple's first quarter 2009 financial results conference call

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The result was: Deteted. Aphaia 16:41, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Sybil Mary Hathaway
Though created as long ago as 2003 this page has only ever included one unsourced quotation: "Smile, damn it! Smile." Even that lonely entry was put out of its misery last December by an editor who "couldn't find any evidence of this quote anywhere". Neither can I - or at any rate I can't find an attribution to Sybil Hathaway older than the Wikiquote page. If the quote isn't to be reinstated then we are left with an intro, a WP link and nothing else. Antiquary 14:40, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
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Great Lakes Storm of 1913

The Great Lakes Storm of 1913 (historically referred to as the "Big Blow", the "Freshwater Fury", and the "White Hurricane") was a blizzard with hurricane-force winds that devastated the Great Lakes Basin in the Midwestern United States and Southwestern Ontario, Canada, from November 7 to 10, 1913. The storm was most powerful on November 9, battering and overturning ships on four of the five Great Lakes, particularly Lake Huron.

The storm was the deadliest and most destructive natural disaster to hit the lakes in recorded history. More than 250 people were killed. Shipping was hard hit; 19 ships were destroyed, and 19 others were stranded. About $1 million of cargo weighing about 68,300 tons—including coal, iron ore, and grain—was lost. The storm impacted many cities including; Duluth, Minnesota - Chicago, Illinois and Cleveland, Ohio which received 22 in of snow combined with winds up to 79 mph and was paralyzed for days.

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 * Erie, and Ontario, and Huron, and Superior, and Michigan — possess an ocean-like expansiveness, with many of the ocean's noblest traits... they are swept by Borean and dismasting blasts as direful as any that lash the salted wave; they know what shipwrecks are, for out of sight of land, however inland, they have drowned full many a midnight ship with all its shrieking crew.
 * Herman Melville, Moby-Dick (1851)

Of the big lake they call Gitche Gumee. Superior, they said, never gives up her dead When the gales of November come early.
 * The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down
 * Gordon Lightfoot, in the song The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald (1976)

White Hurricane: A Great Lakes November Gale and America's Deadliest Maritime Disaster (2002)

 * Brown, David G. (2002). White Hurricane: A Great Lakes November Gale and America's Deadliest Maritime Disaster. International Marine / McGraw-Hill. ISBN 0-07-138037-X.

 * I knew it was storming before I was told. The rooms, the corridors, everywhere within this building vibrates with the power of the storm outside. The storm waves, like sound waves or the waves of the wireless, will not be denied by stone walls and plate glass windows.
 * Helen Keller, trapped in a hotel during the Cleveland blizzard, after having completed a public lecture, p 168.

 * Dear wife and Children. We were left up here in Lake Michigan by McKinnon, captain James H. Martin tug, at anchor. He went away and never said goodbye or anything to us. Lost one man yesterday. We have been out in storm forty hours. Goodbye dear ones, I might see you in Heaven. Pray for me. / Chris K. / P.S. I felt so bad I had another man write for me. Goodbye forever.
 * A message found in a bottle 11 days after Plymouth disappeared, dictated by Chris Keenan, federal marshal in charge of the barge, p 191.

 * No lake master can recall in all his experience a storm of such unprecedented violence with such rapid changes in the direction of the wind and its gusts of such fearful speed... It was unusual and unprecedented and it may be centuries before such a combination of forces may be experienced again.
 * An excerpt from Lake Carriers' Association report, 1913, p 243.

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Request to add category
Need category for African-Americans added as a subcategory for Nationality. lwalt 23:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I see no one has replied to your question. I imagine your interest in this category is partly due to your creation of an article on James Brown. (Thanks for tackling that; I was surprised we hadn't already had one.)

 * After having brought up a similar issue (see "Nationalities" above), I eventually found myself uncomfortable with, where not actively against, categorization based on nationality and ethnicity, as I find it divisive, open to POV interpretation, and often impractical. However, I'm in a minority on this, I think.

 * If you want to implement a category, you can just start it yourself by adding the category tag to an article, then following the red link to the category page and adding a parent category to it, like Category:People by ethnicity (which you would also have to add to Category:People). Be prepared for plenty of controversy, as ethnicity arguments are among the most volatile in Wikidom.

 * As far as such a category being a subcat of a nationality, I'm really against that. It implies that African-American (or Japanese-American or Mexican-American or French-American) is a sub-nationality of "American" (whatever that means to different people). I think there's a distinction to be made between cultural inheritance (ethnicity) and geopolitical organization (nationality), a distinction that weighs heavily on many of the world conflicts throughout history, right up through today's headlines. I would instead suggest that someone who is identified as "African-American" is someone with "American" nationality and both "American" and "African" ethnicity, even though I acknowledge it's messy. (I think everything in this entire domain is messy.) Well, that's my 2 cents. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

 * By the way, I should note that we've already had one category like this established — Category:Native Americans. (I wasn't crazy about that, either.) One could make an argument that "Native Americans" (I quote the term because I am a natural-born American but am not of Amerind descent) are considered a sovereign nation (or nations) within the U.S. (and surrounding nations, perhaps?). But I see this as the kind of uncomfortable hair-splitting I'd prefer to avoid in an NPOV work. But again, that's just my opinion. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Category:British Jews
Originally posted to WQ:VP

This category seems to be unique; there is no other Jewish category (except rabbis). I assumegood faith, but it looks as if it was created as part of the "Let's stress how Jewish that crook Michael Levy is" movement, and indeed Michael Levy was the only person in it. I have now added a couple more, but wonder if it would be better to delete it. If it does stay, we also ought to have American Jews and probably other nationalities.--Cato 22:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * IIRC we have another type of ethnic-nationality combined category, Category:Finland-Swedes (Swedish-speaking minority in Finland), which also includes only one person (Anders Chydenius). I think category of people by language may make a sense (in particular when we are going to label the articles translated from foreign language by original language, see a past discussion on this page), but still I am not sure if we long for ethnic-nationality categories. --Aphaia 02:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

If youwant Finland-Swedes, I could start a page for Jean Sibelius.--Cato 22:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Either we want a category for them or not, I am sure we want definitely quotes from Finland-Swedes notabilities including a great composer :) --Aphaia 03:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Request to add category
Need category for African-Americans added as a subcategory for Nationality. lwalt 23:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

 * I see no one has replied to your question. I imagine your interest in this category is partly due to your creation of an article on James Brown. (Thanks for tackling that; I was surprised we hadn't already had one.)

 * After having brought up a similar issue (see "Nationalities" above), I eventually found myself uncomfortable with, where not actively against, categorization based on nationality and ethnicity, as I find it divisive, open to POV interpretation, and often impractical. However, I'm in a minority on this, I think.

 * If you want to implement a category, you can just start it yourself by adding the category tag to an article, then following the red link to the category page and adding a parent category to it, like Category:People by ethnicity (which you would also have to add to Category:People). Be prepared for plenty of controversy, as ethnicity arguments are among the most volatile in Wikidom.

 * As far as such a category being a subcat of a nationality, I'm really against that. It implies that African-American (or Japanese-American or Mexican-American or French-American) is a sub-nationality of "American" (whatever that means to different people). I think there's a distinction to be made between cultural inheritance (ethnicity) and geopolitical organization (nationality), a distinction that weighs heavily on many of the world conflicts throughout history, right up through today's headlines. I would instead suggest that someone who is identified as "African-American" is someone with "American" nationality and both "American" and "African" ethnicity, even though I acknowledge it's messy. (I think everything in this entire domain is messy.) Well, that's my 2 cents. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:07, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

 * By the way, I should note that we've already had one category like this established — Category:Native Americans. (I wasn't crazy about that, either.) One could make an argument that "Native Americans" (I quote the term because I am a natural-born American but am not of Amerind descent) are considered a sovereign nation (or nations) within the U.S. (and surrounding nations, perhaps?). But I see this as the kind of uncomfortable hair-splitting I'd prefer to avoid in an NPOV work. But again, that's just my opinion. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:00, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Category:British Jews
Originally posted to WQ:VP

This category seems to be unique; there is no other Jewish category (except rabbis). I assumegood faith, but it looks as if it was created as part of the "Let's stress how Jewish that crook Michael Levy is" movement, and indeed Michael Levy was the only person in it. I have now added a couple more, but wonder if it would be better to delete it. If it does stay, we also ought to have American Jews and probably other nationalities.--Cato 22:51, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * IIRC we have another type of ethnic-nationality combined category, Category:Finland-Swedes (Swedish-speaking minority in Finland), which also includes only one person (Anders Chydenius). I think category of people by language may make a sense (in particular when we are going to label the articles translated from foreign language by original language, see a past discussion on this page), but still I am not sure if we long for ethnic-nationality categories. --Aphaia 02:42, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

If youwant Finland-Swedes, I could start a page for Jean Sibelius.--Cato 22:13, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Either we want a category for them or not, I am sure we want definitely quotes from Finland-Swedes notabilities including a great composer :) --Aphaia 03:51, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Categorization and subcategories

 * Kalki raised concerns about the subcategorization on my talk page and proposed further discussion. I tend to categorize articles only with the most specific category. But maybe we should elaborate more the policy about categorization as in Wikipedia with . The problem is that if we put every single category along with its subcategories in that its related article, these categories become difficult to navigate because as happen in other Wikis. They become too long, having articles in specific subcategories improve this. Rupert loup (talk) 14:53, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * At the moment there are not too many categories, I think, while Wikipedia has too many. I've edited mainly birth places and years. In my opinion the years of birth are more interesting than the years of death. "Where people are from?", that's impossible to find out at Wikipedia. "Authors", "Americans" and "English people", for example, are too vast and useless categories.--Risto hot sir (talk) 15:15, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * The Commons policy COM:OVERCAT explains well this problem, see by example categories such as Category:Political leaders, Category:Philosophers, etc. They are becoming to saturated with several articles. As Wikiquote is growing every day, I think that is something that we should solve. Rupert loup (talk) 16:11, 22 April 2018 (UTC)
 * @Rupert loup: "I tend to categorize articles only with the most specific category." The problem is that overly-specific categories, with just one or two articles each, are not helpful at all. As you yourself admit, they "become difficult to navigate", etc., but you still went ahead and created hundreds of them anyway! I agree with Kalki's comment that "such obscuration of the categories [is] unhelpful rather than helpful". ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:28, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * DanielTom I get your point. I will have it in mind in my next edits and I will check the categories that I created to see if they can expanded. If not I will redirected to a broad category and move the articles there. Rupert loup (talk) 20:35, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * DanielTom Maybe we can have a kind of rule of guideline in which subcategories should be created when the main category is too bloated? Rupert loup (talk) 20:37, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Rupert loup: I'm not good at writing rules. You can wait for other editors to comment. Obviously, if one category holds too many articles, then creating subcategories may be useful. And creating a category for just one article may sometimes be acceptable and even desirable, if it has potential to "expand" (as you put it), that is, to grow and hold more articles in the future. The biggest problem I had with your changes was that you removed notable people from Category:Critics of Islam, and now that list has some serious gaps. Why shouldn't Voltaire (author of Mahomet) and Sam Harris (one of the most famous modern-day critics of Islam) be on that list? I think they should be on it. ~ DanielTom (talk) 20:50, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I've not actually added all that many categories outside of fiction on Wikiquote, but considering I was kicked off of Wikipedia for making needlessly specific categories in an unsuccessful attempt to emulate the ones used by TV Tropes, this is something I feel I should comment on, having had mostly success with it here, but more noticeably failure on Wikipedia. I recall the argument being made that Wikiquote didn't particularly need to have all the films "about" dwarves and mermaids categorized as such, which was more resistance than I received on Wikipedia categorizing films featuring flying cars, those are typically supporting characters and features of the environment, and wikipedia doesn't have other background elements as categories such as films "about" deserts, mountains, caves and jungles, even though man vs nature is one of the fundamental types of story. Feminist and libertarian films were categories on wikiquote that were deleted as being too subjective, perhaps you've written a paper claiming X book is secretly about Y philosophy for a writing class before, there are only a few cases where the authors specifically state the book is meant to be a reflection of real world politics in an interview about the book, and even fewer specifically about the politics of economics. For example, Robert Heinlein's libertarian philosophy is expressed in his works, however this is often at odds at taking the audience to a fantastic speculative fiction setting that's alien and unlike the one they are familiar with, and seen as somewhat of a mood killer in romances and comedies that take people out of the moment, or so I'm guessing. Personally I would consider the first Superman, Spiderman, Daredevil and Hulk movies to qualify as romances because of how much screen time is given to that element of the story, but romance is such a common subplot added to every genre of movie that it is marginalized as a category unless the film is specifically marketed as a romance. George Lucas has stated Stormtroopers are inspired by Nazis and Jedi samurais, but wikipedia doesn't consider that enough to add Star Wars to the category samurai in fiction, Nazism or Fascism in fiction, or even as dictatorships in fiction, because that's not terminology directly stated at any point in those movies, a dictatorship and discrimination towards aliens is just implied through subtext. Basic themes which are not the names of genres like romance or horror, such as death, poverty, parenting, racism, sexism, or the much broader xenophobia in fiction, are categories wikiquote and wikipedia will not ever have and best left to TV Tropes. Over categorization is more often a problem with classifying fiction and those who produce fiction, it would be difficult to categorize artists by which art movement they are said to belong to by critics, as the artists are often quoted as saying they reject those labels, unlike with musicians who we do categorize by a genre of music, playwrights and novelists aren't categorized by whether they wrote comedies or dramas, nor are film directors. As far as categories for non fiction are concerned, unless the category is extremely specific to the point of only having a half dozen entries, such as say a page for members of a particular family, authors published by a publisher, or people from a specific neighborhood in New York, ethnicity or royalty based around possessing a certain amount of blood quantum, height, eye or hair color, how much money someone has or people who have been quoted as saying they have a fetish, or what instrument or sport they played in high school (this information would be notable for college). Language fluency is another nebulous concept Wikipedia avoids categorizing people by, I believe that organized religious attendance isn't actually a requirement for Wikipedia to classify someone based off the religions they claim to adhere to. I think adding political affiliation would be a good idea for a category on Wikiquote, Wikipedia goes so far as to have it categorized by state, such as the category California Democrats that I assume can be added to the pages for the majority of directors, I'm pretty sure the majority of people we quote predate the modern political parties and attempting to classify them in modern political terms like conservative and liberal would be subjective and an anachronism, as left and right wing as terms originated only in the early modern era from the French parliament. That said, I thought slave owners was a pretty cut and dry category that would be useful to categorize people by, as I thought owning another human being is a major indicator of a person's values and their personality and as a good way to distinguish politicians who owned slaves like Thomas Jefferson from those who didn't like John Adams, but Wikipedia thinks otherwise, with the justification being it was too common an occurrence to be of use in distinguishing people, slave unlike slave owner however is a category in use of wikipedia, which seems odd given slave owners made their money from slaves, making it their job, not their hobby, and like we could do better. CensoredScribe (talk) 20:40, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * CensoredScribe, I think that you raised a good issue, labeling people as X it shouldn't be in categories, I create some of this labels but because this are the kind the categories that alredy existed, is something that Risto hot sir already stated. The category in the final example that you gave should be in the best case Slavery, be for slave owners, slave supporters or activists, or slaves, the same for political afiliations. For example I think that articles about people shouldn't be categorized as capitalists, communists or anti-communists, activist for X cause or againsts, etc. as in Wikipedia. It should be categorized as Capitalism, Communism, Activism, etc. as being related with this subjects but not as labels for the people in cuestion. So this kind of categories are problematic in my opinion. Rupert loup (talk) 21:04, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * DanielTom I didn't read you comment when I replied . You are right but they also criticised Christianity, so we create this category also and put them there? I think that an article only should be put in a subcategory if is related specifically on say category, because like in that case, it gives the impresion to the reader that the article is only related to that subcategory. Rupert loup (talk) 21:14, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't know. If we don't create a category for "Critics of Christianity", maybe Sam Harris falls both under the category "Critics of religion" (which includes Christianity) and the subcategory "Critics of Islam". But I'm not sure. ~ DanielTom (talk) 21:44, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * By the reasoning discussed above, we should look the main category "Criticism of religion" if is too full to be easy navigated. If the answer is yes then we can create subcategories that alleviate this issue, as by example first the category "Criticism of religion by people" and if there is a majority of articles related with a specific religion we could specify with subcategories "Criticism of X religion". Labeling people is more for an encyclopedia. Maybe we should label articles according with the themes of the quotes in the article" so as long there are not quotes about certain subject that category shouldn't be there unless that it is necessary to help the reader. I think that this is more helpful for the project. Rupert loup (talk) 22:41, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Correction, there is a category for films about racism on Wikipedia with over a hundred entries and several subcategories, but not for xenophobia in fiction; even though it is one of the most common themes in speculative fiction, (and actual history), fear of otherness is too broad a term to be useful, and films about fictional populations provide sufficient coverage without having to further specify works in which they are specifically discriminated against, otherwise there would be debate over whether old 50's monster movies featuring aliens are about discrimination against bug eyed aliens, or whether the Universal monster movies are about discrimination against monsters, which is probably something you could write a thesis on as reflecting the cultural attitudes of precivil rights America towards otherness in general, but not something Wikipedia would accept as a category as it is too specific and most of the times that they occur "monsters" are discriminated against. The page for the Prime Directive mentions a popular theory as to real world inspirations for it being disapproval of American involvement in the the Vietnam war, but writing Star Trek doesn't appear to qualify Gene Roddenberry or his show as being anti-war or anti capitalist, it isn't even considered anti-religious despite Gene Roddenberry saying all the characters are atheists in an interview, signs of real religions are just absent as far as Wikipedia is concerned and not worth mentioning in the form of a category, Wikipedia did list Dumbledore in Harry Potter as gay even though that was mentioned in an interview and not in one of the books, showing a double standard in this regard. Wikipedia prefers to label works like His Dark Materials as religion in fiction rather than anti religious fiction, noticeably there is no category for atheism in fiction, and I suspect there never will be even if all of Rational Wiki set out to prove there is such a thing. Advocacy done through fiction doesn't seem to count for making one an advocate of something, even when fiction was the biggest impact that person had on society, like Harriet Beecher Stowe with Uncle Tom's Cabin. Sexism in film has less than a dozen entries however, which I find telling both of the film industry and Wikipedia's inability to agree on a definition of sexism, which is reflective of wider society struggling to define who is a sexist when they don't self identify with that label specifically. Is a movie with nothing but men or women sexism in film even if they don't talk about it? This definition would make movies about single sex environments like the military, boarding schools and the priesthood all count as sexism in film, however classifying all films with exclusively white casts where race is never mentioned as being "about" racism which is different from the casting itself being racist. Hitler is categorized as having anti X sentiments towards nationalities and as persecution of Y religion, in addition to being categorized as being a critic of Y religion, and is considered a supporter of Pan-Arabism, all of which seem like they'd be acceptable categorizations to use for people here as they are on Wikipedia. If Pan Arabism is an acceptable category I imagine internationalists and nationalists would both be acceptable categories as that's a label people often ascribe to themselves, as would royalists, expansionists, separatists and isolationists. CensoredScribe (talk) 23:37, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * CensoredScribe Wikipedia had the policy WP:LABEL but what happen in other wikis is irrelevant to Wikiquote, I think it was a mistake in my part to see Wikipedia as a model of for this subject and that the subcategories of Category:People need a clean up. What is the purpose of label someone as X if the article don't have quotes about that, if someone is widely recognized as of some profession it can be helpful having that category in an article. But about political ideologies or views about someone, that's very subjective and may fail WQ:NPOV. As if is needed it should be with categories as example "People related with X ideology" or something like that, more neutral and only put it in articles if it's justifiable as helpful for searching purpuse. As I say I would prefer categorising as example "People related with X ideology" or something like that, and only put in articles if it's justifiable as helpful for searching purpose. Of what purpose is to a reader that an article about a person is label as of X profession, X religion, X politics, if the article don't have qoutes about that. I guess that the majority of readers are looking for people of X profesion they expect to found quotes about that topic. Wikiquote is not a enciclopedia so labeling people is out of the scope of the project, we should focus in the content of the articles and make easy to the reader to access for what is searching for. Rupert loup (talk) 00:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * In Wikiquote talk:Category schemes/Archives/2005 and Wikiquote talk:Category schemes/Archives/2005 this issues were discussed by, , and . Rupert loup (talk) 00:32, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * "it should be with categories as example "People related with X ideology" or something like that" I think that "People on X" is better for people related articles. Rupert loup (talk) 02:24, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * So now Risto hot sir has filled the category people with circular subcategories, we need consensus in this. Rupert loup (talk) 23:13, 30 April 2018 (UTC)
 * We need for sure! I've had enough with the Japanese poets's case! Let me do the thinking.--Risto hot sir (talk) 23:16, 30 April 2018 (UTC)

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User talk:Black Paladin

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Hammett

Hammett is a 1982 stylized homage to noir and pulp fiction. It is a fictionalized account about writer Dashiell Hammett.
 * Directed by Wim Wenders and written by Thomas Pope (adaptation), Dennis O'Flaherty, Ross Thomas, based upon the novel by Joe Gores.

He Created 'The Maltese Falcon," "Sam Spade," and "The Thin Man". But He Didn't Write This Mystery-Thriller...He Lived It. Taglines

Samuel Dashiell Hammett

 * Why is he tailing me all over town? Does he think I'm pretty or what?
 * I knew you gone sour, Ryan, but I didn't know you gone simple.

Jimmy Ryan

 * Her name wasn't really Sue Alabama... It was Sue something Greek and unpronounceable.
 * She primed him and I went in on the cleanup.
 * Sex was nearly all Sue Alabama ever needed, and she could use it the way some guys use a blackjack.
 * I can't figure him for a cannon. The only thing Pen Pal would ever use is the U.S. Mail... Extortion.

Sue Alabama

 * He needed one hand for the money and the other for the gun... He wasn't good enough to handle both.

Others

 * The Punk: Whose there? You don't want a belly full of daylight!
 * English Eddie Hagedorn: You have a unique persuasive style, sir. Perhaps a little lacking in finesse, but then, polish isn't everything.

Dialog

 * Ryan: That'll stop a kitten if you're lucky.
 * Sue Alabama: It'll stop a tiger if you know how to point it.

 * Ryan: At least you didn't hit the money.
 * Sue Alabama: I didn't aim at the money.

 * Sue Alabama: Give me two hours.
 * Ryan: Why?
 * Sue Alabama:For old times' sake.
 * Ryan: I'll give you one.
 * Sue Alabama: Okay, one.
 * Ryan: (Voice Over) I didn't give her an hour, of course... I didn't even giver her 15 minutes... They picked her up at the Union Station with a ticket to Chicago in her bag.

 * The Punk: You son of a bitch! I'll strangle you with your own guts!
 * Hammett: People lose teeth talking like that.

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Wikiquote talk:Username policy

Username guideline
moved from WQ:VP

Is there a username guideline? I've been looking through our policies and I haven't found one. I ask because in the user creation log, someone has named themselves MarkyMark. I find it unlikely that Mark Wahlberg has decided to join Wikiquote, and on Wikipedia, they would be asked to change their name. I assume the same legal issues apply here, do we do the same? Dev920 06:37, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * In this point I don't have any objection Wikipedia olicy is adopted to consider what should not be allowed, though I have not agreed on it in every point (i.e. non-latin-username policy, now obsolated).  --Aphaia 08:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I've read the whole policy and noticed that some of it doesn't really apply to Wikiquote. Does anyone object if I put an adapted draft in my userpage and advertise it on the Community Portal? Dev920 10:36, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's a big deal in this instance because Mark Wahlberg doesn't go by MarkyMark anymore - assuming the user doesn't claim to be him anywhere. That said, a policy would be a good idea in case (or should I say, when) there is a problem in the future. Koweja 11:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

 * As far as I can recall, we've had only one instance of a user pretending to be a famous person, and I don't believe they registered the ID here to do it. (They did do it on WP and were promptly blocked.) I'm inclined not to care about fans using famous names, since it's fairly well understood that virtually every such name is not the person themselves, and virtually every real celebrity does their best to avoid using their well-known name as a username (who would want the hassle from obsessive fans?). I also don't like the idea of having to police such name issues, especially since there's no way to draw a line on how famous a name should be before we prevent its use. But I can see trademark concerns and other problems arising, so I wouldn't oppose a WP-like policy. I just wouldn't expect to be one of those blocking unwise names, unless they made claims that they were the famous person (as happened on WP in the aforementioned case). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am surprised that that we don't have the "no names of recently living or deceased famous people" or the like. I guess now I can register that Madonna name that I always wanted...  But really, even if it isn't on there, I know I would block on sight and so would a few other admins.  Cbrown1023  talk  12:59, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've created a draft at User:Dev920/Username policy. I've severely cut it down and removed stuff I don't think really applies here. Take a look! Dev920 00:26, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Blocking section is redundant with the Blocking policy.  Cbrown1023  talk  01:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you Dev902, generally I agree on your version.
 * Duplication of policy may cause inconsistency in the future. I prefer to have blocking-related policy only in WQ:BP. The Blocking policy on the coming WQ:USERNAME may replace with a brief note and reference to the WQ:BP for further informaition.
 * Related to in sight blocking, I propose the revision of username policy should be on consensus and for dis allowing none to change it without discussion, since it relates to Blocking Policy. On English Wikipedia Non-latin discouragement clause was added without previous discussion, taken as prohibition and tens of non-latin editors with good reputations were blocked permanently and forced to change their usernames. I wouldn't like to repeat this disharmonious course.
 * In my preference non-Latin username policy is still obsessive. Instead "either instead or side-by-side" I prefer to urge them to put transliteration on their user page. --Aphaia 04:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ooh, two very good points. Ok, I removed the blocking section, toned down the encouragment, and added an alternative suggestion to add their transliterated username to their user page where people can easily see it. That look better now? Dev920 09:17, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it looks better me now :) --Aphaia 11:11, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting ... we have Username already! Well it wasn't based on the precedent discussion but merely imported from Wikipedia, so it would be hard for us to remember it, while it is claimed to be an "official policy". Anyway, the currently being discussed version reflects one year experience of two projects, and more detailed, I prefer to replace the current "Username" with the Dev920 version after a discussion in a reasonable time amount. --Aphaia 11:16, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I looked through all the policies and must have missed that. Oh well, like you said Aphaia, I think we should replace it, as no-one was aware of it, evidently, and it hasn't been edited since Essjay created. Dev920 13:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * but that does not mean that it is not accurate or worthy of our use(/trust).  Cbrown1023  talk  19:50, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, its content still be useful but I have no good reason to think it as official policy. He posted it as official policy from the beginning, and I find no validity of such claim, since it is based only his decision, not of Wikiquote community. And as far as I know, he hasn't been in the position of authority appointed by the Foundation about the community matter, he had no right to impose a policy in such a way. --Aphaia 01:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree Cbrown, but I notice that the talkpage doesn't even exist. Was any discussion held on that policy before Essjay labelled it official? I liked Essjay, but he definitely took a top-down approach at times (which was, after all, what did for him). Dev920 10:03, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't believe there was, but there may have been at a different location. We should ask Jeff, he was a part of the Policy project when Essjay pulled many of the policies over from WP.  Cbrown1023  talk  10:31, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Essjay created WikiProject Policy Revision on 6 January 2006, then proceeded to tag most of our policies with status templates varying from proposals to drafts to official policy, and to work on many of the non-official ones. While doing this flurry of policy work, the like of which we've not seen before or since at en:Wikiquote, on 24 January 2006 he chose to copy and adapt the then-current Wikipedia:Username policy. Given his attention to the varying statuses of our policies, I'm pretty sure he accidentally made only WP->WQ changes, leaving the "official policy" banner in place. I am not aware of any discussion on this policy at the time. (Had I participated in it, it would show up in "What links here", as I always try to include links to pages I'm talking about. That's why I'm always telling people to do this. I've participated in far too many discussions reviewing actions that happened years ago, when no one can remember what was said or where they said it. WLH is usually a much easier approach to finding old discussions in odd places than sifting through thousands of editor contributions.)

I have been using Username for a while now, and noted that we currently lack some of the changes since made to w:Wikipedia:Username policy, like "no famous names without proof". But the basic policy is sound and follows our existing practices, I think. I suppose we should back this off to "draft" status and discuss formalizing it properly, although I fear this may be challenging because we have so many of these policies in this state that are making little or no progress. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:48, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Surely we should decide what we want for our purposes. I expect that the Wikipedia policy would be OK for us, but it needs a bit of thought.--Poetlister 21:17, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I would propose three things, two particular and one general:
 * For the username issue;
 * Remove the official tag from the current one and put "guideline" or "policy draft" tag instead.
 * Replace the current one with User:Dev920/Username policy; although the former looks sound, it is a bit outdated. The latter reflects latest situations, and has been somehow reviewed by community.
 * For "Wikipedia policy adoption", I propose we start labelling them as "interim policy" or just "guideline". It shouldn't be our policy instantly, but we expect they deserved attention more than mere policy drafts.
 * As for Wikipedia policy, I agree with Jeff they are too huge to adopt our project in some cases. On the other hand, we expect generally it is sane and reflect the consensus of English Wikipedia (note: some particular part could be problematic, not based on consensus but may be an addition without any discussion etc.). Thought? --Aphaia 07:13, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

 * There has been no objection for ten days. I think the community has approved the proposed draft User:Dev920/Username policy by silence. If no other objection comes in three days, I will be so bold as to replace the current one with the proposed draft. --Aphaia 09:19, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I made four small changes that I believe are non-controversial:
 * I changed some leftover "Wikipedia" references to "Wikiquote".
 * I restored the "past misuse" explanation of why we frown on misleading character substitution (e.g., uppercase "I" where a lowercase "L" would be expected). Without it, the clause sounds unnecessarily restrictive to me, given the popularity of leetspeak.
 * I made the Meta link in Right to vanish explicit.
 * I added non-printing whitespace to make it easier to edit the page, especially given all the span-tagging and markup in the list sections.
 * I haven't done a careful analysis between this draft and w:WP:USERNAME to see how much of a variance (and therefore a growing maintenance burden) we'll have. But Dev920's draft looks solid on its own. I concur with Aphaia's plan to switch shortly unless we have objections. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:36, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for cleaning up, JeffQ. All points look me sensible and not contradict with its core thought. --Aphaia 06:59, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Now on Username policy. If appropriate, it could be replaced with Username (now redirect to the former). --Aphaia 07:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Multiple usernames
Our currently policy on multiple usernames is very simple:

 * Using multiple user accounts

It is recommended that users not edit under multiple usernames, unless they have a very good reason.

By contrast, w:Wikipedia:Sock puppetry has an entire section on "Legitimate uses of multiple accounts" that gives several rationales for this practice there. Very briefly, they fall into several categories:

 * Test names for experienced users new to the project to "test the waters"
 * Security and privacy, splitting edits to prevent others from deducing identities by correlating edits
 * "Heated issues" usernames to avoid having dispute participants expand conflicts beyond the topic at hand
 * "Role" accounts for special purposes
 * Bots
 * "Doppelganger" names to preemptively prevent impersonators from using similar names

As far as I know, besides the standard recognition of the utility of bot usernames, we've had no significant use of any of these other practices here. (I must disclose that I've created a few unused doppelgangers for myself, a currently inactive bot username, and a role account for month/date-page experimentation that is no longer active, all of which are clearly identified as my sockpuppets on their user pages.)

It's been my observation that we don't have even a tiny fraction of the kinds of conflicts that typically justify the non-special-purpose sockpuppets on Wikipedia. Content disputes are typically handled locally on article talk pages or raised at WQ:VP or WQ:AN when necessary. Editors who refuse to follow WQ policies and practices of cooperative editing after repeated attempts at communication are temporarily blocked, and indefinite blocks from such recalcitrance are rare if they exist at all (given that uncooperative editors who earn indefinite blocks have usually violated more serious policies by this point).

Except for vandals and disrupters, I don't believe we've had many users who have created multiple distinct user accounts in order to avoid having their edits correlated to expose their identities. (Of course, they would hardly advertise themselves.) But this is a plausible justification. On the other hand, since the vast majority of our sockpuppeteers are vandals and disrupters, and many of these sockpuppets have been created as "sleepers" that show no activity until well after their creation, Wikiquote has a compelling reason to investigate any creation of sockpuppets that aren't clearly identified by their owners. But doing so exposes these privacy-minded individuals, defeating their efforts.

I'd like the community to consider how we might balance our need for preemptive protection against vandals and disrupters against the desire to allow good-faith editors to protect their privacy in this manner. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:58, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

I think ours and theirs do not say different things, but rather diffrently in ways of wording. I have no reason to deny their detailed description and take it substantially same with ours. If people do not have consensus on the realization of "multiple accounts with a very good reason", I think it is the time to employ the detailed developed version of our sibling project. --Aphaia 23:40, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Clarification needed
"Inappropriate usernames" would seem to outlaw names like Jesus33 or Mohammad95. However, those names consist primarily of Jesus and Mohammad respectively. Both are very common in various parts of the world.

I would recommend that a note be added to the username policy that says common sense will prevail. For example, a user named "JesusChrist" might not be allowed but "Jesus95" might be as long as it wasn't disruptive and the person's first edits or edit history didn't suggest the name was being used to promote religious topics. Davidwr (talk) 21:25, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

What to do when you see an "inappropriate username"?
On the top of the UTP of @Quinlan83 I see a msg from User:Cromium4. Since I happen to be vaguely familiar with User:Cromium I came to this page to check what the policy is at WQ regarding the choice of one's username.

This is what I see at Username policy:
 * "Confusing, misleading, or troublesome usernames:
 * Usernames that can be confused with other contributors. (If someone else is using a nickname that you wish to use, please consider using either an alternative pseudonym or your real name instead"

I personally object to the username Cromium4 chose, so I check the policy to see what I am supposed to do about it, and find out that Wikiquote:Username_policy#Dealing_with_problem_usernames says this:
 * If a username is inappropriate, please ask the user to change their name.

REALLY? I have to personally tangle with a potentially quarrelsome user? I came here to contribute content, not to endlessly fight with other contrbutors. Over to the community: have your say on this part of this "policy"

Ottawahitech (talk) 15:14, 10 December 2023 (UTC)

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