text:
User talk:MosheZadka/Archive03

Thanks
thanks for the welcome :) - Srini81 12:59, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Congratulations on 2500 edits!
I noticed your tally in your recent Buffy edit. I'm envious; I've racked up only about 2200 myself in 15 months. Might I ask how you calculated this? I haven't seen a Wikiquote equivalent of Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of edits, and I don't believe that separates main from auxiliary namespace edits anyway. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:13, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the congratulations. I've used Kate's tool, pointed to by User:Davidcannon ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 13:21, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the tip! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:26, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

"Kill them all; for God knoweth them that are His"
A belated thanks to you for adding this oh-so-appropriate quote in the recent VfD for transwikied speeches. (As you probably noticed, I took your advice.) I had run into a spoof of this quote in MST3K, from The Phantom Creeps, chapter 1:

 * [The opening credits, after showing the main characters in action, merely list the lesser players.]
 * Crow [as Bela Lugosi]: I forget who did what here. I say, "Shoot the picture! Let God sort it out."

I'd thought about adding this line and including a note about the original quote to show the cultural reference, but my own research had tracked it to an unsourced assertion that it was a U.S. Marine/Green Beret saying that was based on a monk recording "Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset" during the Béziers massacre around 1210. This appears to be the same event, but with some varying details, like your citation of Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux, 1209 (the guy who apparently said, presumably in French, what the monk recorded in Latin). Do you have a source for that? (I read Albigensian Crusade and saw the reference to Caesar of Heisterbach; is this from his Dialogus magnus visionum ac miraculorum? If so, where did the French version come from?) I'd like to nail this down, to the extent possible. Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:39, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * My own research led me to think that a good place to look for the source might be The Perfect Heresy by Stephen Shea. Sadly, the only copy of that book down here is down south, so it might be a while before I get my hands on it. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 16:07, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the title. My local library system has a copy, so I've slapped a hold on it and will take a look in a few days. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:41, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Hi, Jeff. A friend of mine researched the issue. Here are his results:

''The quote is attributed to Arnold Amalric, Abbot of Citeaux and papal legate (representative) with the crusading army at the massacre in Beziers on 22 July 1209. Earliest source reporting the quote is "Dialogue concerning miracles" of Caesar of Heisterbach, a Cistercian monk in the diocese of Cologne, written about 40 years after the event. (Caesarii Heisterbacensis Monachi ... Dialogus Miraculorum, ed. J. Strange [Cologne, Bonn and Brussels 1851] volume 1 page 302):''

"Knowing from their confessions that the Catolics were mingled together with heretics they asked the Abbot 'What shall we do, lord? We cannot tell the good men from the bad.' It is said that the Abbot, fearing - as did the others - that some might pretend to be Catholics through fear of dying but would return to their error after the crusaders had gone, replied: 'Kill them. The Lord knows who are his own.' [Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius.] Thus it was that an innumerable host of people were killed in this city."

Hope it's helpful, ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 13:38, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks once more! I appreciate the effort you and your friend have put into sourcing this quote. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:50, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I finally got my hands on the O'Shea book and looked up the specific text to confirm the source, then added it to Latin proverbs. (I couldn't find any info on Dialogus Miraculorum, and I don't feel comfortable adding sources I can't personally verify. But that's just my hangup, I suppose.) In case you didn't notice (ha!), I also added quotes to Veronica Mars and MST3K that allude to this famous quote. I'm not usually big on links within dialog, but I thought this one was intriguing enough (and its origin sufficiently obscure) to include links from these two shows directly to the "original" Latin (using a SPAN id tag). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:10, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

Input box for article creation
Hi, MosheZadka. I just noticed your village pump announcement and took a look at what you've set up. It looks extremely useful. But I'm troubled by the speed at which this significant development coming from one user is being implemented. This isn't being bold about editing an article; this is being bold about changing the way wiki users learn to create articles, and must be given a little time for people to look over.

One of the reasons we came up with 2 weeks for VfD (as opposed to WP's 5 days) was a realistic assessment of the reaction time of the WQ community, balanced against the need for a target closure time. (Before this, we had VfDs that went on for many weeks, even months, and were still closed with little participation.) When Aphaia raised the question of shortening the time, I gave her 3 recent cases where 2 weeks made a difference in the result (including, as you'll recall, Veronica Mars). Looking over the history, I see you gave everyone 6 days to find your "input box" posting on VP, then moved it (without leaving any information on what it was about) to Help talk:Starting a new page. My own painful experience has taught me that that's just not enough time to get any input from the community, and I believe you had a similar result.

I know it's quite frustrating, but we simply can't expect people to respond quickly here, and for important issues, we can't expect them all to find announcements in one place. When I've proposed significant changes like yours, I've found it necessary to post announcements in several likely places to get any response at all. I recommend that you provide a brief explanation of what you're trying to accomplish (similar to your original VP posting, but not assuming people are aware of the problem) and post it in VP, Wikiquote talk:Templates, and the Talk page of each of the lists where people currently created such articles; i.e., Talk:List of films, Talk:Television shows, Talk:List of people by name, Talk:List of people by occupation. Each of these reaches different editors. Some people watch VP regularly. Some only care about adding TV shows and are only likely to have Television shows on their watchlist. Some care quite a bit about official templates (often only for certain categories, like people or books) and will miss announcements in these other places. It's a pain, but it helps round up everyone who would be affected by this change.

I've logged a support vote for your suggestion, but with several caveats along the lines I've mentioned here. One especially important point is that the templates that you're using must not be in User space, but in Wikiquote:Templates space (probably as subpages, as you set up and as has been discussed at Wikiquote talk:Templates), so that the community can comfortably edit and discuss them. Also, it's vital we first have a proper "Starting a new page" article to add the "input box" to, for reasons I explained in my vote.

All in all, I think this approach will be quite useful, but we must make sure the community is on board for this. Thanks for listening to my typically long-winded commentary. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:15, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Just to clarify something I mentioned above, not everyone is aware of the problems of creating a new article. A while back, someone asked, along with an unrelated question, how the Search page could provide an option to create a new page when an article wasn't found. Aphaia's response suggested to me that she didn't understand the problem, which I saw as providing the same capability that Wikipedia does with their link:

 * You can create an article with this title …

Wikiquote has traditionally expected people to go to one of the lists linked from the Main page and add the article title to it, using the red link to create the article. Experienced users have other tricks for quick creation, like adding "&action=edit" to the URL (ugh!) or using the sandbox (or any page) to create a quick link that they just jump to without saving the sandbox or victim page. New users, of course, know neither the traditions nor the kludges. I think that's a major source of the new-user challenge, and our lack of a Help:Starting a new page hasn't helped. The underlying problem hasn't been addressed, and will wind up being ignored if we don't address it before providing a shortcut for some page creations. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:28, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, Jeff. Thanks for your encouragement — and your admonishments! I've added notices to the places you recommended, and if you think of any others please either let me know or add notices there. I have extended the vote by a week, to raise the probability that everyone has enough time to evaluate the issues and to voice their opinion. As you know, I am quite new here, and I certainly do not want to overstep my boundaries. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 19:54, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I worry that you take my advice a little too much to heart sometimes. I'm afraid that my habit of being pedantic comes off as delivering sermons from the mount. The only boundaries you have are the ones that bind us all at Wikiquote, and, as you know, many of those are rather flexible. Believe me, I'm just as likely to be preachy to Aphaia and the other sysops who have much more sysop (and often wiki) experience than I, and they remind me often enough of errors, questionable interpretations, and practical problems with my ideas (usually less ponderously and more diplomatically!). It's all part of this cooperative community. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 21:55, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Don't worry too much. Usually, when I take it "to heard", it because it resonates with a fear I've been having anyway, with more or less awareness. In fact, before you sent me the message, I was going to thank you for commenting on Help talk:Starting a new page because I was starting to feel like a one-man show, and I don't want it...so keep delivering sermons — I'll manage to ignore the ones I thoroughly disagree with :) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 03:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Of course, you are a one-man show. That's the problem with many of the issues that we face on Wikiquote — they're often dealt with by a single person who steps up to the plate. You're doing exactly what I and others have done in the past: work out a way to solve a problem and present it as a fait-mostly-accompli. Then you wait for some input and hope you've provided enough framework (without going too far off in a novel direction) to allow folks to tweak it and then approve.

 * I'm hoping to help out a bit by going over the WP and meta versions of "Help:Starting a new page" to provide the starting point I suggested, but I see that it's already more complicated than it used to be. Apparently meta now has a template (in the general sense) for the entire page, including several templates (in the wiki sense) that I've never seen before, which is supposed to be copied verbatim without editing, using only some project-specific parameters. (That's fine if you think that meta and WP have the ideal page; I rarely do, because I think they both have a tendency to drop into wiki developer-speak, which is rather pointless in a page for newcomers.) I also noticed it uses the input box right up front, which certainly supports your approach! Anyway, I'll try to come up with something in the next couple of days. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:27, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

My removal of the category from Methuselah Jones was not an accident. There is (was?) a band by that name, and in fact I have their CD, but this Methuselah Jones is unrelated to them.

Help please
I can't for the life of me figure this one out. [|Bracket keeps being linked]

Could you help me by un-linking the end bracket? I cannot get it to work. no matter what I do. :[On the vitures of Huey Lewis and the News] Looks like this.
 * Thanks for the help Moshe. Sveden 17:39, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

More Image confusion
I got a problem. The image on this page is confusing me. I swear that yesterday I downloaded it from wikipedia, uploaded it to the commons, and then linked it to the quote page. But now when I try to link to the image from wikisource, poorly named (muir2.jpg), it shows a samenamed picture of a tree. But yet the image is still correct on the wq page. What in the heck is going on? [Here's] the wikisource page I'm starting. Sveden 15:14, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * No idea. Ask someone on commons? ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 15:18, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Oh my dog, what dumb mistake. I didn't know that the extension "JPG" was case sensitive. Sveden 15:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Welcome wagon
Thank you for your kind greeting! By the way, I have several years experience in C, C++, and Fortran90, and I note on your LJ you were looking for my sort... Matthew Platts 11:14, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Croatian proverbs
Thank you for your kind greeting and for correcting (formating and content) my first attempts at creating "Croatian proverbs". Two brief questions:

 * you cleaned italic and bold formating from my original (copy from Coriscan). German, Italian and some others use italic and put proverbs in quotes. i find that this improves reading and looks better. Should I use some of other languages as "template" or should I stick with what you proposed ?

 * what can I do for Croatian proverbs to be listed on the main page (http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Main_Page) together with other languages under "Proverbs" paragraph ?

Thanks, Ppale 00:13, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Sorry for removing italics — that was a mistake. I've restored italics now on all quotes. You can take a look at the latest version of Croatian proverbs if you want. Re: Main Page: I think that the list of proverbs on the main page is pretty static. However, I am working (slowly, since I have limited time) on a "Featured article" idea which will feature selected articles on the main page for a month, based on a vote. Once this is created, you'll be able to nominate Croatian proverbs for featured article. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:46, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your efforts. I am trying to do something for Croatian version of WikiQuotes, too. You can take a look at Poslovice where I am still looking for a readable format to contain both Croatian and English versions as well as meanings of proverbs. Is there a way to link those two pages, or make one just a http link to another, if I decide this should be a literal copy of one page (for updating simplicity)? Is this a good idea at all?

 * I am very new to Wiki so my question for today is: what is the proper (and cnonvenient way) to communicate with a user of Wiki? Both, if this is something interesting for general public and if it is private, just a conversation between me and the person? --Ppale 12:29, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

 * You can leave messages on the user talk page (like you're doing), or you can use the "e-mail this user" link. I strongly suggest against the latter except in unusual circumstances — just go ahead and leave messages on talk pages! ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 12:32, 14 August 2005 (UTC)

Test run
MZ: I thought that starting a new page using the shortcut worked very nicely. I'm sure that it would make things much easier for new users. Good job! UDScott 15:58, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

"Death to quotation marks" vote
Thanks for the notice. It was actually very helpful. I've been preoccupied with serious computer problems for the past few days. I had meant to suggest a wording change because "Should literary works standard deprecate using quote marks?", besides being somewhat ungrammatical, is a bit too programmer-speak for a general audience. Also, the first time I read that, I wasn't sure whether "Support" was supposed to favor the existing system or the change, and any time there might be any confusion about a vote, it's a very good idea to make it clear, with text like: "A Support vote is to change existing practice and omit quotation marks around entire quotes; a Reject vote is to maintain the existing policy, surrounding entire quotes with quotation marks." (You can perhaps see how that can be confusing, as one might normally expect to support existing practices or demand changes. I had thought we had specified some principle about making the possible votes clear, as Wikipedia does in several places, but I see that Vote currently doesn't say anything about this, focusing much more on timing and visibility issues. Oh, well; another thing to fix.) I would also have given it a month, given the global scope of the issue and the desire to overturn long-held practice. I wish I had taken the time to say all that before my computer disaster struck. But the vote is in progress, so I'll just let it go. And vote, of course. Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:07, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Addressing you
Do you find "MZ" acceptable as a shorthand reference in discussions, where your full username has already been made clear? I've used that a few times, but I don't usually like to do that without a sense that the person doesn't mind. I'm hoping that you find "MZ" as suitable as I do "JQ", and for the same reason — it's very unlikely to be ambiguous! ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:19, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Yep, "MZ" is fine (I usually use Jeff to address you, though — hope it's good too, there aren't any other Jeffs around here). I've added it to my user page. Hope your computer is behaving better now! ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 04:57, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

 * "Jeff" is fine; I'm quite flattered to be the most visible (notorious?) person of that name here. And it turns out my computer problems were mostly from overly paranoid security software. Better that than security breaches, though. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:19, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

American Football
Oh boy... [this] has to be one of the funniest edits I've ever seen. What censorship and how pointless. Mitch is so often vandalized/messed with it's crazy. Sveden 14:22, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Logging transwikied speeches

 * I wish to verify I understood you correctly: in order to speedy delete [transwikied speeches], all I need to do is:
 * Make sure they moved to wikisource
 * Add them to Transwiki log
 * Right?

 * Specifically, I am referring to Franklin Roosevelt's First Inaugural Address and The Four Freedoms Speech. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 12:55, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

The other element is making sure that the edit history of the Wikiquote article (up to the point of transwiki) has been copied to the talk page of the Wikisource article, preserving credit for user contributions (a requirement of GFDL). It looks like Kalki did these two, so that was probably done correctly. Two other considerations that I like to do to make it easier for folks trying to find the results: File this away in your Too Much Information file if desired. ☺ ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:00, 17 August 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Verify Transwiki has a record of the incoming transfer, which should include the final destination article title and link. This gets complicated, because the originator of the transwiki (the person who copied the text to the new project) isn't obligated to place the article in its final position, only in the Transwiki: namespace, but many people ignore this and copy right to the new project's article space. That can make the new project's transwiki log confusing. Worse yet, someone at Wikisource decided they didn't need all those records, and rather than archive them, simply deleted them. I don't recall that they've responded to my complaint. Transwiki is complicated enough that many feel justified in ignoring the formal practices, regardless of license issues. (One of my if-I-install-a-test-wiki projects is to implement an automated transwiki process that I've already sketched out.)
 * 2) An easier optional task (which directly benefits WQ readers) is to ensure that the final title and link are recorded in our Transwiki (the canonical name for the transwiki log, which is redirected to wherever each project wants to place it). That way, WQ readers don't have to rely on the vagaries of other project's practices to find the article they seek. Of course, since we are supposed to log the initial transfer, and that transfer is often shortcutted to go right to the final destination title, this is often already done. But it's nice to check.

 * OK, I've followed the procedure to remove these last two. Thanks for the help! ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 03:00, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Ernest Dowson cleanup
Hi. I noticed that you marked the Ernest Dowson page, which I just started, as needing cleanup. If you tell me what the problems are, I'll fix it myself. Thanks, JerryFriedman 16:37, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

I got some of them, anyway. JerryFriedman 17:04, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi. You can look at Templates/People for how a person's quote page should look like. FYI, today we

launched Help:Starting a new page especially to help new wikiquote users see the formatting guidelines. Did you notice it? (If not, could you tell me where you did look?) I am asking all these questions because I am certain we do not manage to point people at the documentation we have efficiently enough, and I am hoping to improve it with your help. Thanks! ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 18:22, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I started the page before looking at anything except other pages (and I didn't even look at the source). After I saw your cleanup tag, I looked around the Main Page, where I found Templates/People and used that.  I didn't notice Help:Starting a new page, but it looks like it might have been fun.  What I haven't found is guidelines for formatting, such as whether to use italics for book titles and quotation marks for story or poem titles.  Hope this helps.  And how do I determine whether the page no longer needs cleanup?  Can you check it?  —JerryFriedman 17:48, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * I performed a final cleanup and removed the tag - thanks for all your work. If you wish, you can see the changes I made to see the final formatting issues the page had. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 20:00, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks! —JerryFriedman 18:11, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Aggressive discussion moving
In my obviously subjective opinion, I think you might be getting a bit aggressive about moving discussions from WQ:VP. That Che Guevara statement was only incidentally connected to QotD, and was more a complaint about a perceived bias in Wikiquote. Most VP discussions should be archived on a periodic basis in the VP archive, not moved to specific topics, because people won't remember them from those topics that they may never have participated in. The main reason to move discussions is when they get long and complicated, and are therefore better served by a topical audience at the appropriate article. In summary, I think it would be better to archive older VP discussions that to move them to topical pages just because they're inactive. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:01, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, Jeff. I'm afraid as I understand it, your complaint is inaccurate -- I moved discussions off of Talk:Main Page into topical pages. That being the case, it might still be justified, I just want some clarification. Do you think I should have left the discussions on the T:MP page, or that I should have moved them into WQ:VP? The reason to move things off the main page discussion is that hardly nobody looks at it, and it gets waaaaaay too long. It is a better alternative, I believe, to archiving it on T:MP/Old, as that way it would be even less reachable. Thanks for your feedback, in any case, and thanks in advance for any clarification — and sorry if I seem like I'm nitpicking, but I am really unsure what your suggested strategy is. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 22:27, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Geez, I'm getting sloppy! Your comment is hardly a nitpick. I hadn't even contemplated the nature of current Main Page discussions (as opposed to WQ:VP), so my complaint was extremely confusing. I'm still unhappy with the tendency of some folks to move discussions from general to specific talk pages, unless the individual discussions get too long (i.e., have a depth more appropriate for the specific topic's talk page). I believe that short questions should be answered where they arise, with links provided where needed, and that when a talk page gets too long, it should be archived rather than trimmed. (I've had this conversation with Aphaia in the past; I don't think we ever settled it even between ourselves.) It's a standard wiki practice to find old conversations from a talk page in an archived subpage off that talk page, and the links from the original discussion to more appropriate forums for extended discussions provide an easy backtrack through "What links here", even after the original is archived. That makes it reachable both by the original asker (who may only know about their original-page posting, both by memory and Watchlist) and by anyone starting from the logical topic.

 * But I obviously wasn't paying enough attention to what I was doing. (At least your action had logic!) I'm sorry about the confusion. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you
/ Habj 21:19, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Martin Luther Quotes
Dear Moshe: Thanks for the note! As a librarian and a Luther scholar, I'm a little touchy about copyright. Most verbatim copies on the internet are from the American Edition of Luther's Works are are there against the will of the publisher. I know, because I asked them for their permission to put the work on the internet through Project Wittenberg. While we don't like works written by the reformer in his anger ("On the Jews and Their Lies" is the most infamous, having been misused by Hitler, other works are also not particularly inviting (such as "Against the Robbing, Raping, Murdering Hordes of Peasants." ), we would put it on for accuracy. We wish he had risen above his times in this matter, but he did not. I have access to the German, but I have not found an english edition in the public domain.

Sorry I ramble. Anyway, if you're near a fairly sizeable city, I can locate a copy you can borrow from a Library, if you really want to read this thing. Email me at smithre@ctsfw.edu and I'll tickle the keyboard for you. Since all manner of things have been put in famous people's mouths, however, I think we should shy away from unattributed quotes. (Can't tell you how many hours I've spent tracking supposed quotes from Luther.)

Bob Smith--CTSWyneken 01:20, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your message! I am sorry to hear there is no English version in the public domain. It would be nice to find a reference to a German edition, and even nicer to find a German edition in an electronic format (such a thing I could put through babelfish for a first-pass translation to find the quotes I'm interested in and translate them with a human). As a wikiquote editor, I can certainly appreciate the effort going to sourcing a quotation -- finding the source for "Kill them all, let God sort out the bodies" was a joint effort by Jeff, two friends of mine and me, and finding the source for a De Vinci misquotation was half an hour of tracking sources.

 * Please note that in wikiquote slang, "attributed" means "put in someone's mouth" (as opposed to "Sourced", which is a quotation for which we have exact references), whereas "unattributed" means "nobody but wikiquote thinks the person said such a thing" (which is something that shouldn't be). I agree attributed quotes are problematic - I hope that the effort we do into seperating them from sourced quotes and the efforts we do to source the quotes improve things, but I doubt things will improve if we just removed the attributed quotes altogether.

 * I will send you an e-mail with more information. Thanks! ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:25, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

 * PS: You put your message to me on my user page, rather than in my talk page. Unfortunately, that is an easy error to make (I made it myself once or twice). A user page is a bad place to put messages for several reasons, so please pay more attention to it in the future. You can go directly to my talk page if you follow the "(Talk)" link in my signature rather than the "MosheZadka" link. If you know all this, and this was just an oversight, I apologize for the rant. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:25, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Requested pages
Thanks for your note. I have made the change that you suggest. I also noticed that my Ed Krebs article had not saved so I fixed that too. —Theo (Talk) 10:37, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

I do not understand why the Mottram page save did not take. It seems to have made it this time. —Theo (Talk) 02:40, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

I am honored
You honor me, sir. I do believe this is the first time anyone has ever quoted me. :-) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:50, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Tagging "verified" section articles
Thank you for adding to the collection of articles that need to have "verified" replaced with "sourced" and "attributed" sections. You might want to double-check the pages you find, though. You tagged Scott Ritter, but it had never had any section, let alone a "verified" one. It does have the word "verified" in it, but within a quote. (You don't have to worry about that one, though — I've fixed it up.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:15, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the note! I've gone over everything in the category, and double-checked. I found only one other mistake (Twelve-tone technique, which I fixed). Of course, I still may have missed something, but now at least I've double (though not triple) checked :) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 21:58, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

thank you
Thank you for the welcome! :) Ivana 18:13, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Duplicate stub messages
I commend your speed and energy, Moshe, but I think that sometimes you work too fast to notice what you're doing. ;-) I happened to notice that you'd added a second stub tag to Stephen R. Covey, so I deleted it. Just now, I ran across Abraham Maslow, to which you also added a duplicate stub tag (which I also deleted). Could you please check first to see if the stuff you're adding isn't already there? Thanks. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:19, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for noticing. Going over my work, I noticed Robert Redford had the same problem, which I fixed. The next batch I plan to do, I will use computerized assistance (a script flagging problematic articles), which will hopefully cut down on mistakes. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 22:31, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your patience with my quibbles. You're doing so much more at Wikiquote than any other single person that it's a bit embarrassing to point out the occasional problems (especially when I make plenty of my own with less industry!). I appreciate your good humor about it. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:28, 31 August 2005 (UTC)

Register
Why don't you create an acount in the he Wikiquote??? Idan d 22:46, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I never contribute anything other than notes :) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 03:34, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

 * o.k. I just thought it would easyer to contact with you. but I can here too... so, come visit sometimes... Idan d 16:12, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

סתם שאלה
sorry for the hebrew. אני חייב לשאול. אתה ישראלי נכון? למה אתה עובד בויקיציטוט באנגלית. למה אתה לא כותב בעברית אם אתה יודע לקרוא את מה שאנחנו כותבים. הייתי פונה אליך בויקיציטוט העברי אבל אין לך שם דף משתמש. עוד דבר אחד- באתר העברי יש לנו בעיות עם הציטוט היומי, אנחנו חייבים לשנות את הדף הראשי כל יום כדי שהציטוט יתעדכן ובכלל כל המערכת מובלגת ולא ברורה. אצלכם המערכת מעולה ורציתי לבדוק אם אתה מוכן לראות אם אתה יכול לעזור שם איכשהו, או אם יש לך עיצה מסוימת ואתה רוצה שאני אשנה, אין בעיה. תודה רבה מראש, והמשך עבודה נעימה Avichai 18:13, 3 September 2005 (UTC) ושוב, מצטער על העברית אבל אין לי כח לאנגלית

Translation: I have to ask. You're Israeli, right? Why do you work in English Wikiquote. Why don't you write in Hebrew if you know how to read what we write. I'd approach you in Hebrew wikiquote but you do not have a user page there. One more thing -- in the Hebrew site we have problems with the daily quote, we have to change the main page every day for the quote to be updated, and in general the whole system is a (mess) and unclear. You guys have an excellent system and I wanted to see if you can help somehow, or if you have a certain advice and you want me to change, no problem. Thanks in advance and enjoy the work. Again, sorry for the Hebrew but I don't have the strength for English.

 * 1. Yes, I'm Israeli.
 * 2. I hate typing in Hebrew. LTR is a pain, and my typing speed is way slower. Also, I dislike configuring my computers for dual-language input.
 * 3. Most of the quotes I like are in English anyway (check MosheZadka for the kind of stuff I mostly work on).
 * 4. I've no idea how to QOTD system works here. Kalki handles the technical bits. Quote of the day has a "purge cache" link which users can use to force a reload. Talk:Main Page has some discussions re: cache purging.
 * ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 18:31, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

Template:Vfud
This template may have actually had some purpose, however self-serving its creation by 67.160.58.132 was. There is a MediaWiki "Vote for Undeletion" process that we have yet to implement. I've never participated in it, so I don't know what form its components take elsewhere. Of course, we're not even close to addressing this here yet, so it probably wasn't any big deal deleting it. We should keep it in mind for the future, though. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:11, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I agree a Votes-for-undeletion process is useful. I disagree it could be served by such a template: where would you put it? I mean, the article is deleted, so you can't put it there. This is why the template that Ryan added on WP was deleted there as well. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:54, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * D'oh! I got caught with my brain turned off again. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:58, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

 * It's not like I have a better brain, I just read up on Ryan's activities in WP and saw this rationale there. Memory can often serve in lieu of thinking :) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 07:01, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Removal of Buffy quote
Wow. Didn't mean to stir up such a ruckus. I originally posted the quote; removed it because I wasn't sure it "worked" without lengthy context description (though the humor is pretty obvious). I try (and routinely fail) to avoid posting idiosyncratic material that's only going to appeal to me. If I'm not the only one who enjoys the quote, by all means retain it. Apologies for causing the confusion. --RPickman 19:31, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

About my deletion request
Hello there. I saw your edit removing my request for deletion on the Honoré Mercier article. Your comment is almost a compliment, so thanks. ;) On a more serious note, I guess you could say that you did your job well. I did suspect that it might look as if I was deleting someone else's article. ...so, I'll explain. My stupid mistake actually was that I simply saved the page (a first edit, to boot) without being logged in, which I have worked hard to never do. I simply wanted to recreate it afterwards while logged in. If you want harder proof, you can see the very same text still in my personal sandbox (edited by me before the creation of the Wikiquote article in question) at this address. So, could I get the chance to recreate it under my own identity, not an ip address? --Liberlogos 08:09, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I am sorry, but such a case does not appear in the Speedy deletion candidates, and if you're thinking of VfDing it, I doubt it'd be voted for deletion :) You are free to add a note on the talk page pointing to yourself. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 08:25, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Pierre Boulez
Hi there, I noticed you put a cleanup tag on the Pierre Boulez page I created this morning (without logging on). Could you tell me what's wrong with it? Also, do the cleanup and stub tags really belong halfway the text? On wikipedia, where I do most of my editing, a stub tag goes at the bottom, and a cleanup tag at the top... Thanks David Sneek 16:59, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I usually put them after the intro and before the first quote.
 * I've added a note on Talk:Pierre Boulez pointing to appropriate resources that will help you (roughly, quote marks and no sections are the problems I noticed with a half glance which was enough to justify the cleanup :)
 * Thanks for your attention ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 17:37, 6 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I tried to improve it, but I didn't add sections because that seemed exaggerated on a stub with only two quotes. Cheers, David Sneek 07:29, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I've restored the cleanup template. The two problems I specifically mentioned above were not cleaned (the sections are actually important to distinguish between sourced and attributed -- and remember that a stub's article's main function is to help people improve it). ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 07:56, 7 September 2005 (UTC)
 * The quote marks follow Templates/People exactly. David Sneek 10:26, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

On Luther Quotes
Dear Moshe: Were you able to snag a copy of "On the Jews..."

I appreciate the info about how "Attributed" is understood here. With Luther especially I tend to be very careful. I need to be shown where Luther said something before I'll grant he said it. Part of that is receiving a few requests a month for locations of Luther quotes I almost never find. The ones from "On the Jews..." can be quite difficult since it was one very large rambling book that most Lutherans wish had never been written. The quotations on our page are of the nature of some of the language in that work, but I cannot be certain at all they are Luther's actual words. They certainly are not among his most famous, or infamous, quotations. (like "Kill, stab and murder Pope and Turk.")

To illustrate the problem: Luther's most famous words: "Here I stand, I can do no other, so help me God, Amen!" Were almost universally recognized as his until in recent years someone pointed out that no one could produce the words in accounts written during Luther's lifetime....

So, I tend to go with the more conventional definition of attributed: popularly credited to an author where there is no evidence the person ever wrote or said the words.

Did you want to find some kind of third catagory to use to distinguish between things virtually everybody is sure he didn't say and those that we just have no verified source to confirm it?

Bob --CTSWyneken 02:31, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * I believe you may have misunderstood me. Lack of clear source is enough to put a quote under attributed. However, all the quotes are added were from an academic site featuring a translation of "On the Jew...". You didn't seem to have accuracy problems with the translation, so I am not understanding your complaint. The translation, and possibly the original, had no chapter information. That is, indeed, unfortunate. I would dearly love to work from an original, if you can find the original German (AIUI not copyrighted) online somewhere (my own attempts, using the German title in google, failed). Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 04:30, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

 * There are two problems with the online version. One is that it is illegally posted. I have quams about crediting it, when it is on the internet against the wishes of the copyright owner. A lesser problem, is to pin down the words quoted in the much larger text. If we could locate even the page number in the copyrighted work, I could consult the German edition. We have both the German in the Weimar Ausgabe of Luther's Works and a copy of a sixteenth century printing. This is not easily done if we do not know where in the hundred or more pages to look. In any case, I would settle for page citations to move a quote up to sourced. For me, it is established as a quote if and only if I can find it easily in a credible source. I would not challange you, however, if you wanted to move something up.

Bob --CTSWyneken 01:52, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

RfA
Moshe, Please support my request for adminship on en.Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/GordonWattsDotCom Thx.--GordonWattsDotCom 15:03, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

"Nolite te bastardes carborundorum" transwiki
Hey folks, we've really made a mess of the transwiki of this neo-Latin proverb. To recap, the following actions occurred: When I noticed oddities about the resulting article, I went to Transwiki to figure out what had happened. But not a single change was logged since it arrived in Wikiquote. This is why we have the transwiki log — to untangle these hard-to-track movements and frequent transwiki editing errors and omissions. I've logged the major transactions and added a heading and text to the talk page to clarify where the original material came from.
 * On 7 August 2005, Dmcdevit simply moved the transwikied article into Nolite te bastardes carborundorum, despite the fact that quoted text is not itself an appropriate article title.
 * On 17 August 2005, MosheZadka merged the information into Margaret Atwood and created redirects from the article and its talk page, but neglected to check for double redirects, something that should always be done when creating redirects (or doing moves). Also, the resulting talk page history statement made it look like what was transwikied was "Margaret Atwood", which was misleading.
 * On 20 September 2005, Aphaia fixed the Transwiki: redirects.

I know this transwiki stuff is a pain, but until the MediaWiki projects come up with some automated system to get things moved between projects properly, it's important to follow the correct procedures. Whenever processing a transwiki, I highly recommend setting aside 10-15 minutes, reviewing the steps described in Help:Transwiki, logging the changes made, and checking "What links here" for any moved or redirected articles. When you're done, you should not only verify that the transwiki log shows the complete move (preferably by clicking on the links in the log, which will expose broken redirects or misspelled titles), but also read the resulting article and talk pages to ensure they make sense for people who come across them for the first time. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:24, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

merging of High definition television
hi moshe, you set up a merging link in the hdtv article here. if this will be done, how can we link form the wikipedia article to this sub-theme inside the wikiqoute television article? would that be possible in a way? thanx for a reply. greets, --Andreas -horn- Hornig 11:54, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Well, since there is one quote, I'm unsure what value you would be serving by linking...but in any case, it's possible to merge in HDTV to a seperate section, and then from WP you can link to High-definition television . ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 18:26, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * hi again, i know, that there is just one quote in it, but somewhere it has to start. if i would have more quotes, i would post it. but unless these quotes i have are not from important people ore at least movies i will not post them.
 * i know these kinds of anchor links, but i did not know, that these are usus here, because when the will article change or will move the anchor links do not work. thanx a lot for your response, --Andreas -horn- Hornig 21:09, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

 * "Somewhere to start?" The article had just one quote for four months now. The only edits except for administrative work I did was one anon fixing the wp link. This gives very little hope that the article will ever see more quotes. Merging it into Television would give it more visibility. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 00:12, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey! Thank you for your comments on my editing of Paul Graham's page. It was my first Wikiquote edit and I appreciate you taking the time to point this newbie to the mores to be observed. I gave it a shot and left some comments at the talk page. Thanks. Eliazar 21:16, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Tweaked VFD notice
Moshe, I've corrected your VFD notice on Talk:Giosuè Carducci to make clear that the article under vote was Hymn to Satan. I noticed this problem before whenever we closed kept-but-moved articles, and when I was doing the bulk of VfD closures, I just copied and edited the Template:vfd-kept text to say the right thing. But I was too lazy to create another template for this case, and now that you're doing most of the closures, I'm afraid I've been caught out in my laziness.

I was going to create a Template:vfd-moved just now, but I realized that I can't avoid a problem I neatly skirted with vfd-kept. In the latter, the only parameter is the name of the VfD entry, not the article name. This is a problem whenever we have VfD entries that aren't exactly the same as the article name, like for multiple articles and extremely long titles. As long as the page is merely kept, the only parameter necessary is the VFDA heading. When moving, however, the message I created for T:GC requires 3 parameters: the original article, the final article (which is the current PAGENAME without the "Talk:"), and the VFDA entry. I think it'll take a little experimenting to see how best to do this. Sorry for the inconvenience. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 04:15, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the note, and fixing up after me. I've edited the documentation to better reflect those practices. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:04, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:MosheZadka/Archive03


text:
North by Northwest

North by Northwest is a 1959 film about an advertising executive who is mistaken for a spy and is pursued across the country while he looks for a way to survive.
 * Directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Written by Ernest Lehman.

The Master of Suspense presents a 3000-mile chase across America! Taglines

Roger Thornhill

 * Ah, Maggie, in the world of advertising, there's no such thing as a lie. There's only the expedient exaggeration. You ought to know that.
 * Mother, this is your son, Roger Thornhill...No, no, Mother. I have not been drinking. No, no. These two men, they poured a whole bottle of bourbon into me. No, they didn't give me a chaser.

Others

 * Clara Thornhill: You gentlemen aren't really trying to kill my son, are you?
 * The Professor: We do nothing...That's right, nothing. Oh, we could congratulate ourselves on a marvelous stroke of good fortune. Our non-existent decoy George Kaplan created to divert suspicion from our actual agent has fortuitously become a live decoy... What can we do to save him, without endangering our own agent?...We didn't invent our non-existent man and give him the name of George Kaplan, establish elaborate behavior patterns for him, move his prop belongings in and out of hotel rooms for our own private amusement. We created George Kaplan and labored successfully to convince Vandamm that this was our own agent hot on his trail for a desperately important reason...If we make the slightest move to suggest that there is no such agent as George Kaplan, give any hint to Vandamm that he's pursuing a decoy instead of our own agent, then our agent working right under Vandamm's very nose will immediately face suspicion, exposure and assassination, like the two others who went before.
 * Vandamm: That wasn't very sporting, using real bullets.

Dialogue

 * Roger: And what the devil is all this about? Why was I brought here?
 * Vandamm: Games, must we?
 * Roger: Not that I mind a slight case of abduction now and then, but I have tickets for the theatre this evening, to a show I was looking forward to and I get, well, kind of unreasonable about things like that.
 * Vandamm: With such expert play-acting, you make this very room a theatre. My secretary is a great admirer of your methods, Mr. Kaplan. Elusiveness, however misguided ...
 * Roger: My name is Thornhill, Roger Thornhill! It's never been anything else ... So obviously, your friends picked up the wrong package when they bundled me out here in the car.

 * [Roger is wearing sunglasses to hide his identity]
 * Ticket Seller: Something wrong with your eyes?
 * Roger: Yes, they're sensitive to questions.

 * Roger: Oh, you're that type.
 * Eve: What type?
 * Roger: Honest.
 * Eve: Not really.
 * Roger: Good, because honest women frighten me.
 * Eve: Why?
 * Roger: I don't know. Somehow they seem to put me at a disadvantage.
 * Eve: Because you're not honest with them?
 * Roger: Exactly.
 * Roger: The moment I meet an attractive woman, I have to start pretending I have no desire to make love to her.
 * Eve: What makes you think you have to conceal it?
 * Roger: She might find the idea objectionable.
 * Eve: Then again, she might not.
 * Eve: I'm Eve Kendall. I'm twenty-six and unmarried. Now you know everything.
 * Roger: Tell me. What do you do besides lure men to their doom on the Twentieth Century Limited?
 * Eve: I'm an industrial designer.
 * Roger: Jack Phillips. Western sales manager for Kingby Electronics.
 * Eve: No, you're not. You're Roger Thornhill of Madison Avenue, and you're wanted for murder on every front page in America, and don't be so modest.
 * Roger: Whoops!
 * Eve: Oh, don't worry, I won't say a word.
 * Roger: How come?
 * Eve: I told you. It's a nice face.
 * Roger: Is that the only reason?
 * Eve: It's going to be a long night.
 * Roger: True.
 * Eve: And I don't particularly like the book I've started.
 * Roger: Ahhh.
 * Eve: You know what I mean?
 * Roger: Uh, let me think. [Pause] Yes, I know exactly what you mean...
 * Eve: You know what I mean?
 * Roger: Uh, let me think. [Pause] Yes, I know exactly what you mean...

 * Eve: I'm a big girl.
 * Roger: Yeah, and in all the right places too. [They share a lingering kiss.]
 * Eve: You know, this is ridiculous, you know that don't you?
 * Roger: Yesss.
 * Eve: I mean, we've hardly met.
 * Roger: That's right.
 * Eve: How do I know you aren't a murderer?
 * Roger: You don't.
 * Eve: Maybe you're planning to murder me right here tonight?
 * Roger: Shall I?
 * Eve: Please do. [Another long kiss.]
 * Roger: Beats flying, doesn't it?
 * Eve: We should stop.
 * Roger: Immediately.
 * Eve: I want to know more about you.
 * Roger: What more could you know?
 * Eve: You're an advertising man, that's all I know.
 * Roger: That's right. [They shift positions] The train's a little unsteady.
 * Eve: Who isn't?
 * Roger: What else do you know?
 * Eve: You've got taste in clothes, taste in food...
 * Roger: ...and taste in women. I like your flavor.
 * Eve: You're very clever with words. You can probably make them do anything for you. Sell people things they don't need. Make women who don't know you fall in love with you.
 * Roger: I'm beginning to think I'm underpaid.

 * Roger: Now where were we?
 * Eve: Here. [They kiss again passionately.]
 * Roger: Yes. Nice of you to have opened the bed.
 * Eve: Yes.
 * Roger: Only one bed.
 * Eve: Yes.
 * Roger: That's a good omen, don't you think?
 * Eve: Wonderful.
 * Roger: You know what that means?
 * Eve: Hmmm.
 * Roger: What? Tell me.
 * Eve: It means you're going to sleep on the floor.

 * Roger: To a long and lasting friendship, meaning from now on, I'm not going to let you out of my sight, sweetheart.
 * Eve: I'm afraid you'll have to.
 * Roger: Oh no.
 * Eve: I do have plans of my own, you know, and you do have problems.
 * Roger: Well, wouldn't it be nice if my problems and your plans were somehow connected? Then we could always stay close to each other and not have to go off in separate directions. Togetherness, you know what I mean?

 * Eve: I want you to do a favor for me. A big, big favor.
 * Roger: Name it.
 * Eve: I want you to leave right now. Stay far away from me and don't come near me again. We're not going to get involved. Last night was last night and it's all there was and that's all there is. There isn't going to be anything more between us. So please, goodbye, good luck, no conversation, just leave.

 * Roger: Now, what can a man do with his clothes off for twenty minutes? Couldn't he have taken an hour?
 * Eve: You could always take a cold shower. [she takes off his jacket]
 * Roger: That's right. When I was a little boy, I wouldn't even let my mother undress me.
 * Eve: You're a big boy now.
 * Roger: Yes, tell me. How does a girl like you get to be a girl like you?
 * Eve: Lucky, I guess.
 * Roger: No, not lucky. Naughty, wicked, up to no good. Ever kill anyone? Because I bet you could tease a man to death without half trying. So stop trying, huh?

 * Leonard: You must have had some doubts about her yourself. You still do.
 * Vandamm: Rubbish.
 * Leonard: Why else would you have decided not to tell her that our little treasure here has a belly full of microfilm?
 * Vandamm: You seem to be trying to fill mine with rotten apples.
 * Leonard: Sometimes the truth does taste like a mouthful of worms.
 * Vandamm: The truth? I've heard nothing but innuendos.
 * Leonard: Call it my woman's intuition, if you will, but I've never trusted neatness. Neatness is always the result of deliberate planning.

 * Vandamm: What possessed you to come blundering in here like this? Could it be an overpowering interest in art?
 * Roger: Yes, the art of survival.
 * Eve: He followed me here from the hotel.
 * Leonard: He was in your room?
 * Roger: Sure. Isn't everybody?
 * Roger: I didn't realize you were an art collector. I thought you just collected corpses...I'll bet you paid plenty for this little piece of sculpture...She's worth every dollar of it, take it from me. She puts her heart into her work. In fact, her whole body.
 * Vandamm: Has anyone ever told you that you overplay your various roles rather severely, Mr. Kaplan? First, you're the outraged Madison Avenue man who claims he's been mistaken for someone else. Then you play the fugitive from justice, supposedly trying to clear his name of a crime he knows he didn't commit. And now, you play the peevish lover, stung by jealousy and betrayal. It seems to me you fellows could stand a little less training from the FBI and a little more from the Actors Studio.
 * Roger: Apparently, the only performance that will satisfy you is when I play dead.
 * Vandamm: Your very next role. You'll be quite convincing, I assure you.
 * Roger: I wonder what subtle form of manslaughter is next on the program. Am I to be dropped into a vat of molten steel and become part of a new skyscraper, or are you going to ask this female to kiss me again and poison me to death?
 * [Eve tries to slap him]
 * Roger: Who are you kidding? You have no feelings to hurt.
 * Roger: Who are you kidding? You have no feelings to hurt.

 * Roger: Now you listen to me, I'm an advertising man, not a red herring. I've got a job, a secretary, a mother, two ex-wives and several bartenders that depend upon me, and I don't intend to disappoint them all by getting myself "slightly" killed.
 * The Professor: If I thought there was any chance of changing your mind, I'd talk about Miss Kendall, of whom you so obviously disapprove.
 * Roger: Yes, for using sex like some people use a fly swatter.

 * Leonard: You're not taking her on the plane with you?
 * Vandamm: Of course I am. Like our friends, I too believe in neatness, Leonard. This matter is best disposed of from a great height, over water.

 * Eve: I guess I had nothing to do that weekend, so I decided to fall in love.
 * Roger: That's nice.
 * Eve: Eventually, the Professor and his Washington colleagues approached me with a few sordid details about Philip. They told me that my relationship with him made me uniquely valuable to them.
 * Roger: Mm-mmm. So you became a Girl Scout, huh?
 * Eve: Maybe it was the first time anyone ever asked me to do anything worthwhile.
 * Roger: Has life been like that?
 * Eve: Mm-mmm.
 * Roger: How come?
 * Eve: Men like you!
 * Roger: What's wrong with men like me?
 * Eve: They don't believe in marriage.
 * Roger: I've been married twice.
 * Eve: See what I mean?
 * Roger: Now I may go back to hating you: it was more fun. [They kiss passionately]

 * Roger: If we ever get out of this alive, let's go back to New York on the train together, all right?
 * Eve: Is that a proposition?
 * Roger: It's a proposal, sweetie.
 * Eve: What happened to the first two marriages?
 * Roger: My wives divorced me.
 * Eve: Why?
 * Roger: Well, I think they said I led too dull a life.

Taglines

 * The Master of Suspense presents a 3000-mile chase across America!
 * The Master of Suspense weaves his greatest tale!
 * It's a deadly game of "tag" and Cary Grant is "it"!
 * It's love and murder at first sight!
 * From the killer plane in the cornfield to the cliff-hanger on George Washington's nose, it's suspense in every direction!

Cast

 * Cary Grant - Roger O. Thornhill
 * Eva Marie Saint - Eve Kendall
 * James Mason - Phillip Vandamm
 * Jessie Royce Landis - Clara Thornhill
 * Leo G. Carroll - The Professor
 * Josephine Hutchinson - Mrs. Townsend
 * Philip Ober - Lester Townsend
 * Martin Landau - Leonard

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: North by Northwest


text:
User talk:81.144.214.80

~ MosheZadka (Talk) 16:58, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

title: User talk:81.144.214.80


text:
Strangers on a Train (film)

Strangers on a Train is a 1951 film about a tennis star, Guy Haines, who meets a stranger on a train who offers to exchange murders. The stranger, Bruno Anthony, will kill Guy's estranged wife if Guy will kill Bruno's hated father.
 * Directed by Alfred Hitchcock. Adapted by Whitfield Cook from the novel by Patricia Highsmith.

It begins with the shriek of a train whistle and ends with shrieking excitement! Taglines

Bruno Anthony

 * I beg your pardon, but aren't you Guy Haines? ...I certainly admire people who do things. People who do things are important. Me, I never seem to do anything.

Barbara Morton

 * I still think it would be wonderful to have a man love you so much he'd kill for you.

Dialogue

 * Guy: Let's change the subject, Bruno, can't we?
 * Bruno: Okay, Guy. Want me to tell you one of my ideas for murdering my father?
 * Guy: [indicating the detective novels] You've been reading too many of these.
 * Bruno: You want to hear about the busted light socket in the bathroom, or the carbon monoxide in the garage?
 * Guy: No. I may be old fashioned, but I thought murder was against the law.
 * Bruno: But not against the law of nature. My theory is that everybody is a potential murderer. Didn't you ever want to kill somebody? Say one of those useless fellows Miriam was running around with?
 * Guy: You can't go around killing people just because you think they're useless.
 * Bruno: Oh, what's a life or two? Some people are better off dead, Guy. Take your -- wife and my father, for instance. It reminds me of a wonderful idea had once. I used to put myself to sleep at night -- figuring it out. Now, let's say you want to get rid of your wife.
 * Guy: Why?
 * Bruno: Let's say she refuses to give you a divorce -- [raises a finger and stops Guy's protest] Let's say. You'd be afraid to kill her because you'd get caught. And what would trip you up? Motive. Now here's the plan...
 * Guy: I'm afraid I haven't time to listen.
 * Bruno: It's so simple, too. A couple of fellows meet accidentally, like you and me. No connection between them at all. Never saw each other before. Each of them has somebody he'd like to get rid of, but he can't murder the person he wants to get rid of. He'll get caught. So they swap murders.
 * Guy: Swap murders?
 * Bruno: Each fellow does the other fellow's murder. Then there is nothing to connect them. The one who had the motive isn't there. Each fellow murders a total stranger. Like you do my murder and I do yours.
 * Guy: We're coming into my station.
 * Bruno: For example, your wife, my father. Criss-cross.

 * Bruno: Hello, Guy.
 * Guy: What are you doing here? At this time of night?
 * Bruno: You don't seem very pleased to see me, Guy. I brought you a little present.
 * Guy: What do you mean?
 * [Bruno hands Miriam's glasses to Guy.]
 * Guy: What's this all about?
 * Bruno: Recognize them?
 * [Guy looks at the glasses, then back at Bruno, horrified]
 * Bruno: It was very quick, Guy. She wasn't hurt in any way. It was all over in no time. I knew you'd be surprised. Nothing for us to worry about. Nobody saw me, only Miriam. I was very careful. Even when I dropped your lighter there, I went right back to pick it up. If It'd been found, it would have ruined our whole scheme, wouldn't it?
 * Guy: Are you trying to tell me you've -- Why, you maniac!
 * Bruno: But, Guy, you wanted it! We planned it on the train together, remember?
 * [Guy suddenly starts to go. Bruno grabs his arm.]
 * Bruno: Where are you going?
 * Guy: Where do you think I'm going? I'm going to call the police, of course.
 * Bruno: But you can't, Guy. We'd both be arrested for murder.
 * Guy: We'd both be arrested for murder?
 * Bruno: You're is much in it as I am. We planned it together. Criss-cross. I do your murder --
 * Guy: You crazy fool! You think you can get away with that?
 * Bruno: Oh, come now, Guy. Why should I go to Metcalf and kill a total stranger, unless it was part of the plan and you were in on it? You're the one that benefits, Guy. You're a free man. I didn't even know the girl.
 * [Guy makes a move to leave, but Bruno holds on tight.]
 * Guy: Let me go, Bruno. I had nothing to do with this and the police will believe me.
 * Bruno: If you go to the police now, you'll just be turning yourself in as in accessory. You see, you have the motive.
 * [sound of a telephone ringing]
 * Bruno: What is it?
 * Guy: My telephone.
 * Bruno: Someone has some news for you, Guy.

 * Bruno: You must be tired, Guy. I know I am. I've sure had a strenuous evening. Now look, Guy, about my father. I have the plans made. Two plans. A plan of the grounds and a plan of the house. I have in old Luger I bought at a pawn shop in San Francisco. My father --
 * [Guy turns to leave]
 * Bruno: Wait a minute, Guy. To have to talk. We have to arrange things.
 * Guy: Get away before I give you what you gave Miriam.
 * Bruno: You're not yourself, Guy. You're tired. When you think things over, you'll see I'm right. Tomorrow --
 * Guy: I don't know you. I never saw you before. I never want to see you again.

 * Mrs. Cunningham: Well, Mr. Anthony, you seem very interested in the subject of murder.
 * Bruno: No more than anyone else.  No more than you, for instance.
 * Mrs. Cunningham: Me? I'm not interested in murder.
 * Bruno: Oh, come now, everyone's interested in that. Everyone would like to put someone out of the way. Now surely, Madame, you're not going to tell me that there hasn't been a time when you wanted to dispose of someone. Your husband, for instance.
 * Mrs. Cunningham: [laughing] Good heavens, no!
 * Bruno: Ah ah! Are you sure? Do you mean to tell me there wasn't a tiny moment - when you'd been made really angry? And what did you say?
 * Mrs. Cunningham: [giggling] Well...
 * Bruno: There you are, you see! There you are! All right, now you're going -- to do a murder. How are you going to do it? This is the fascinating part -- how are you going to do it...I didn't get your name?
 * Mrs. Cunningham: Mrs. Cunningham.
 * Bruno: Mrs. Cunningham, how are you going to do it?
 * Mrs. Cunningham: Well, I suppose I'll have to get a gun from somewhere.
 * Bruno: Tssk, tssk. Oh no, Mrs. Cunningham. Bang, bang, all over the place. Blood everywhere?
 * Mrs. Anderson: What about a little poison?
 * Bruno: Ah! That's better, that's better. Mrs.....?
 * Mrs. Anderson: Anderson.
 * Bruno: That's better, Mrs. Anderson. But Mrs. Cunningham is in a dreadful hurry. Poison could take...let's see...ten to twelve weeks, if poor Mr. Cunningham is to die from natural causes.
 * Mrs. Cunningham: I have a wonderful idea! I can tak him out in the car and when I get to a lonely spot, knock him on the head with a hammer, pour gasoline over him and over the car and start the whole thing ablaze.
 * Bruno: And then have to walk all that way home?
 * [Mrs. Anderson laughs.]
 * Bruno: No, I have the best way, and the best tools. [he holds out his hands] Simple, silent, and quick. The silent part being the most important. Let me show you what I mean. You don't mind if I borrow your neck for a moment do you?
 * Mrs. Cunningham: [giggling] Well, it's not for long.
 * Bruno: Oh! no. Now, when I nod my head, just see if you can cry out, and I bet you can't. Now with my two thumbs...you see that's where I'll be able to prevent any sound coming from you. Now, just wait for the nod of my head.
 * Mrs. Anderson: Mr. Anthony! Mr. Anthony!
 * Man: Stop him! Stop him!

 * Anne: How did you get him to do it, Guy?
 * Guy: I get him to do it?
 * Anne: He killed Miriam, didn't he? Tell me, Guy!
 * Guy: Yes. He's a maniac. I met him on the train going to Metcalf. He had a crazy scheme about exchanging murders. I do his murder and he do mine.
 * Anne: What do you mean -- your murder, Guy?
 * Guy: Well, he'd read about me in the paper. He knew about Miriam -- and about you. He suggested that if he got rid of Miriam for me, I should kill his father.
 * Anne: You must have realized he was talking a lot of nonsense!
 * Guy: Of course! I didn't give it another thought. And now a lunatic wants me to kill his father.
 * Anne: It's too fantastic!
 * Guy: Yes, isn't it?
 * Anne: You mean you've known about Miriam all this time?
 * Guy: Since the first night. He gave me her glasses.
 * Anne: Why didn't you call the police?
 * Guy: And have them say what you did -- "Mr. Haines, how did you get him to do it?" And Bruno would say we'd planed it together.
 * Anne: Oh, Guy -- what can we do?
 * Guy: I don't know, Anne...I don't know.

 * Guy: Mr. Anthony! Mr. Antony! Don't be alarmed -- but I must talk to you about your son. About Bruno. Mr. Antony!
 * [The figure on the bed turns on a light, revealing it to be Bruno]
 * Bruno: Yes, Mr. Haines? My father isn't home tonight, Mr. Haines. I was about to tell you that over the phone. But you came to such a sudden decision. I wondered why.
 * Guy: Since you sent me a key to your house, I decided to use it -- to make a little social call on your father. I thought he'd be interested to know he has a lunatic son.
 * Bruno: Then a I correct, Mr. Haines, in assuming that you have no intention of going ahead with our arrangement?
 * Guy: No intention whatsoever. I never had.
 * Bruno: I see. You won't have any further use for the key, then, Mr. Haines. Thank you very such.
 * Guy: [tossing the gun on the bed] Or this.
 * [Bruno picks up the gun]
 * Guy: Look, Bruno. You're terribly sick. I don't know whether it's possible for you to realize it or not. I don't know much about these things, Bruno. But why don't you go someplace where you can get some treatment? Not only for your own sake, Bruno, but you can't go on causing more and more destruction to anyone you happen to meet.
 * Bruno: I don't like to be double crossed. I have a murder on my conscience, but it's not my murder, Mr. Haines -- it's yours. And as you're the one to profit, I think you should be the one to pay for it.
 * Guy: Well, I guess it's no use, Bruno. We seem to have nothing further to discuss.
 * Bruno: Don't worry. I'm not going to shoot you, Mr. Haines. It might disturb mother. I'm a very clever follow. I'll think of something better than that. Much better.

Taglines

 * It starts with a shriek of a train whistle...and ends with shrieking excitement!
 * A tennis star plays a match with murder!
 * You'll be in the grip of love's strangest trip!
 * It's off the beaten track!

Cast

 * Farley Granger - Guy Haines
 * Ruth Roman - Anne Morton
 * Robert Walker - Bruno Anthony
 * Leo G. Carroll - Sen. Morton
 * Patricia Hitchcock - Barbara Morton
 * Kasey Rogers - Miriam Joyce Haines
 * Marion Lorne - Mrs. Anthony
 * Jonathan Hale - Mr. Anthony
 * Norma Varden - Mrs. Cunningham
 * Robert Gist - Leslie Hennessy

title: Strangers on a Train (film)


text:
Talk:Moby-Dick

Just added a snippet from "The Try-Works", the text of which I'd copied from the book a while back. When looking for a chapter reference though, I used google, and found http://www.melville.org/diCurcio/96.htm -- which contains part of the quote I added, but the text is different. Different editions or something? I'll dig up my own some other time.

Objections to thought provoking images
This page is rife with random pictures with quotes attached. Whoever placed them is trying to imply theological reasonings and a reverence for the quotes. These need to be removed.
 * This site is devoted to quotes and the presentation of quotes, and the use of images to highlight significant quotes and increase the visual appeal and actually stimulate intellectual considerations have long been used here. To object to theological reasonings being found or noted in this masterpeice which all but the most simplistic and shallow readers and reviewers recognize as loaded with many forms of theological, mystical and ethical observations, speculations, metaphors and analogies is rather absurd. Two of the captions and images you removed were "We ourselves see in all rivers and oceans. It is the image of the ungraspable phantom of life; and this is the key to it all." and "I have no objection to any person’s religion, be it what it may, so long as that person does not kill or insult any other person, because that other person don’t believe it also." The images which were chosen for them were entirely appropriate. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 06:26, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
 * This site is devoted to quotes and the presentation of quotes, and the use of images to highlight significant quotes and increase the visual appeal and actually stimulate intellectual considerations have long been used here. To object to theological reasonings being found or noted in this masterpeice which all but the most simplistic and shallow readers and reviewers recognize as loaded with many forms of theological, mystical and ethical observations, speculations, metaphors and analogies is rather absurd. Two of the captions and images you removed were "We ourselves see in all rivers and oceans. It is the image of the ungraspable phantom of life; and this is the key to it all." and "I have no objection to any person’s religion, be it what it may, so long as that person does not kill or insult any other person, because that other person don’t believe it also." The images which were chosen for them were entirely appropriate. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 06:26, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:Moby-Dick


text:
Teitur Lassen

Teitur Lassen (born 4 January 1977 in Hoyvík) is a singer-songwriter from the Faroe Islands.

About Teitur Lassen

 * He's utterly melodic and hopelessly romantic, and when he performs live, he robs the air from your lungs. Oh, and he's devoid of any charisma or star power whatsoever.
 * John Mayer on why Lassen's career is stalled despite having talent in the same league as Coldplay and David Gray. From Mayer's September 1, 2004 column in Esquire magazine.

 * Teitur Lassen speaks for the broken-hearted, who, for the most part, may be too timid to speak for themselves. His first effort is shamelessly honest and hints at very beautiful things to come.
 * Dominic Urnile's review of Poetry & Aeroplanes from Prefixmag.com.

title: Teitur Lassen


text:
Rod Serling

Rod Serling (born Rodman Edward Serling, 25 December 1924 – 28 June 1975) was an American writer and television producer best remembered for his science fiction TV series The Twilight Zone.

The Twilight Zone

 * There is a fifth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, between science and superstition, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area which we call the Twilight Zone.
 * First introduction to The Twilight Zone television series; first episode (2 October 1959).

 * The tools of conquest do not necessarily come with bombs, and explosions, and fallout. There are weapons that are simply thoughts, attitudes, prejudices, to be found only in the minds of men. For the record, prejudices can kill and suspicion can destroy; and a thoughtless, frightened search for a scapegoat has a fallout all of its own for the children, and the children yet unborn. And the pity of it is, that these things cannot be confined to the Twilight Zone.
 * From The Twilight Zone episode The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street (March 6, 1960).

 * There is an answer to the doctor's question. All the Dachaus must remain standing. The Dachaus, the Belsens, the Buchenwald, the Auschwitzes – all of them. They must remain standing because they are a monument to a moment in time when some men decided to turn the Earth into a graveyard. Into it they shoveled all of their reason, their logic, their knowledge, but worst of all, their conscience. And the moment we forget this, the moment we cease to be haunted by its remembrance, then we become the gravediggers. Something to dwell on and to remember, not only in the Twilight Zone but wherever men walk God's Earth.
 * The Twilight Zone, "Death's-Head Revisited" (1961).

 * It is said that science fiction and fantasy are two different things. Science fiction is the improbable made possible, and fantasy is the impossible made probable.
 * The Twilight Zone, "The Fugitive" (1962).

Other

 * I happen to think that the singular evil of our time is prejudice. It is from this evil that all other evils grow and multiply. In almost everything I've written there is a thread of this: man's seemingly palpable need to dislike someone other than himself.
 * Ellen Cameron May, "Serling in Creative Mainstream" (profile/interview), Los Angeles Times (June 25, 1967), page C22-23.

 * [T]he ultimate obscenity is not caring, not doing something about what you feel, not feeling! Just drawing back and drawing in, becoming narcissistic.
 * As cited in Bob Rosenbaum "Life With Rod: A Conversation with Carol Serling", Twilight Zone magazine, April 1987.

 * If survival calls for the bearing of arms, bear them you must. But the most important part of the challenge is for you to find another means that does not come with the killing of your fellow man.
 * Speech at Binghamton Community High School (1968).

 * I ask for your indulgence when I march out quotations. This is the double syndrome of men who write for a living and men who are over forty. The young smoke pot — we inhale from our Bartlett's.
 * Speech at Moorpark College, Moorpark, California (December 3, 1968).

 * I think the destiny of all men is not to sit in the rubble of their own making but to reach out for an ultimate perfection which is to be had. At the moment, it is a dream. But as of the moment we clasp hands with our neighbor, we build the first span to bridge the gap between the young and the old. At this hour, it’s a wish. But we have it within our power to make it a reality. If you want to prove that God is not dead, first prove that man is alive.
 * Speech at Moorpark College, Moorpark, California (3 December 1968).

 * I was bitter about everything and at loose ends when I got out of the service. I think I turned to writing to get it off my chest.
 * "Document H1000089528" Contemporary Authors Online, Gale. 2010.

 * I wish to Christ that I had written a Stagecoach drama starring John Wayne instead.
 * On the 'The Doomsday Flight, as quoted in John Douglas; Mark Olshakerm (2000). The Anatomy of Motive: The FBI's Legendary Mindhunter Explores the Key to Understanding and Catching Violent Criminals''. Pocket Books. p. 101.

 * [A] medium best suited to illumine and dramatize the issues of the times has its product pressed into a mold, painted lily-white, and has its dramatic teeth yanked out one by one.
 * "About Writing for Television", his foreword to a collection of teleplays ("Patterns").

 * From a writing point of view, radio ate up ideas that might have put food on the table for weeks at a future freelancing date. The minute you tie yourself down to a radio or TV station, you write around the clock. You rip out ideas, many of them irreplaceable. They go on and consequently can never go on again. And you've sold them for $50 a week. You can't afford to give away ideas—they're too damn hard to come by. If I had it to do over, I wouldn't staff-write at all. I'd find some other way to support myself while getting a start as a writer.
 * As cited in Martin Grams Jr. "The Radio Career of Rod Serling". Audio Classics Archive. Archived from the original on January 8, 2009.

 * Radio, in terms of ... drama, dug its own grave. It had aimed downward, had become cheap and unbelievable, and had willingly settled for second best.
 * Gordon F. Sander, Serling: The Rise and Twilight of Television's Last Angry Man. Dutton. (1992). ISBN 978-0-525-93550-6.

 * How can you put out a meaningful drama when every fifteen minutes proceedings are interrupted by twelve dancing rabbits with toilet paper? No dramatic art form should be dictated and controlled by men whose training and instincts are cut of an entirely different cloth. The fact remains that these gentlemen sell consumer goods, not an art form.
 * Rod Serling: Submitted for Your Approval (October 1997), American Masters (PBS: Thirteen/WNET).

 * Hollywood's a great place to live... if you're a grapefruit.
 * From a letter to his wife, as cited in Rod Serling: Submitted for Your Approval (October 1997), American Masters (PBS: Thirteen/WNET).

 * If you need drugs to be a good writer, you're not a good writer.
 * The Rod Serling bio page on the Internet Movie DataBase.

 * I was a Christmas present that was delivered unwrapped.
 * On being born Christmas day, in The Rod Serling bio page on the Internet Movie DataBase.

 * I got the idea for the pilot while walking through an empty lot of a movie studio. There were all the evidences of a community but with no people. I felt at the time a kind of encroaching loneliness, and desolation; a feeling of how nightmarish it would be to wind up in a city with no inhabitants.
 * Rod Serling:American Masters.

 * I was dealing with a political story where much of the action took place on the floor of the U.S. Senate, and one of the edicts that came down from the Mt. Sinai of advertisers row was that at no time in a political drama must a speech or a character be equated with an existing political party or current political problems. So several million viewers were treated to an incredible display of senators shouting, gesticulating and talking in hieroglyphics, saying not a single thing germaine to the current political scene.
 * Rod Serling on Arena, American Masters.

 * Someplace between apathy and anarchy is the stance of the thinking human being; he does embrace a cause, he does take a position, and can’t allow it to become business as usual. Humanity is our business.
 * Rod Serling: American Masters.

 * Once again there appears to be a considerable difference of opinion. I wanted a series with distinction, I have no interest in a series which is purely and uniquely suspenseful but makes no comment about anything. But all they seem to want is maniacs in a cemetery. When I complain they pat me on the head, condescend, and hope I go away. When I was on the Twilight Zone I took the bows, but I also took the brickbats, because when it was bad it was usually my fault, but when it's bad on the Night Gallery, I had nothing to do with it, yet my face is on it all the time.
 * Rod Serling: American Masters.

 * For the first time in television a writer will have the opportunity to let his imagination take him where ever he wants to. The sky is no longer the limit.
 * Rod Serling: American Masters.

 * The first sale, that's the one that comes with magic.
 * Rod Serling: American Masters.

 * As I get older the urge to write gets less and less; I've pretty much spewed out everything I have to say, none of which has been particularly monumental; nothing that will stand the test of time. Good writing like wine has to age well, and my stuff has been momentarily adequate.
 * Rod Serling: American Masters.

 * Every writer is a frustrated actor who recites his lines in the hidden auditorium of his skull.
 * Rod Serling Vogue, (1 April, 1957).

 * In his grave, we praise him for his decency - but when he walked amongst us, we responded with no decency of our own. When he suggested that all men should have a place in the sun - we put a special sanctity on the right of ownership and the privilege of prejudice by maintaining that to deny homes to Negroes was a democratic right. Now we acknowledge his compassion - but we exercised no compassion of our own. When he asked us to understand that men take to the streets out of anguish and hopelessness and a vision of that dream dying, we bought guns and speculated about roving agitators and subversive conspiracies and demanded law and order. We felt anger at the effects, but did little to acknowledge the causes. We extol all the virtues of the man - but we chose not to call them virtues before his death. And now, belatedly, we talk of this man's worth - but the judgement comes late in the day as part of a eulogy when it should have been made a matter of record while he existed as a living force. If we are to lend credence to our mourning, there are acknowledgements that must be made now, albeit belatedly. We must act on the altogether proper assumption that Martin Luther King asked for nothing but that which was his due... He asked only for equality, and it is that which we denied him.
 * Letter to The Los Angeles Times in response to the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr.; April 8, 1968.

 * I'm dedicating my little story to you; doubtless you will be among the very few who will ever read it. It seems war stories aren't very well received at this point. I'm told they're out-dated, untimely and as might be expected - make some unpleasant reading. And, as you have no doubt already perceived, human beings don't like to remember unpleasant things. They gird themselves with the armor of wishful thinking, protect themselves with a shield of impenetrable optimism, and, with a few exceptions, seem to accomplish their "forgetting" quite admirably. But you, my children, I don't want you to be among those who choose to forget. I want you to read my stories and a lot of others like them. I want you to fill your heads with Remarque and Tolstoy and Ernie Pyle. I want you to know what shrapnel, and "88's" and mortar shells and mustard gas mean. I want you to feel, no matter how vicariously, a semblance of the feeling of a torn limb, a burnt patch of flesh, the crippling, numbing sensation of fear, the hopeless emptiness of fatigue. All these things are complimentary to the province of war and they should be taught and demonstrated in classrooms along with the more heroic aspects of uniforms, and flags, and honor and patriotism. I have no idea what your generation will be like. In mine we were to enjoy "Peace in our time". A very well meaning gentleman waved his umbrella and shouted those very words...less than a year before the whole world went to war. But this gentleman was suffering the worldly disease of insufferable optimism. He and his fellow humans kept polishing the rose colored glasses when actually they should have taken them off. They were sacrificing reason and reality for a brief and temporal peace of mind, the same peace of mind that many of my contemporaries derive by steadfastly refraining from remembering the war that came before.
 * Excerpt from a dedication to an unpublished short story, "First Squad, First Platoon"; from Serling to his as yet unborn children.

 * It's simply a national acknowledgement that in any kind of priority, the needs of human beings must come first. Poverty is here and now. Hunger is here and now. Racial tension is here and now. Pollution is here and now. These are the things that scream for a response. And if we don't listen to that scream - and if we don't respond to it - we may well wind up sitting amidst our own rubble, looking for the truck that hit us - or the bomb that pulverized us. Get the license number of whatever it was that destroyed the dream. And I think we will find that the vehicle was registered in our own name.
 * Commencement Address at the University of Southern California (March 17, 1970).

 * I really can’t claim to being a science-fiction man either. Fantasy was really more my bag. And I’m very much a Johnny-Come-Lately into that. The guys – the really key men – like Asimov, Clarke, Bradbury – they all preceded me by years and years and have a body of literature to show for it. I have nothing but a television show. My only claim is that I put science-fiction and fantasy into a mass media more than any other person.
 * "Rod Serling Recalls Planet of the Apes".

Quotes about Serling

 * Sorted alphabetically by author or source

 * Known primarily for his role as the host of television’s The Twilight Zone, Rod Serling had one of the most exceptional and varied careers in television. As a writer, a producer, and for many years a teacher, Serling challenged the medium of television to reach for loftier artistic goals. The winner of more Emmy Awards for dramatic writing than anyone in history, Serling expressed a deep social conscience in nearly everything he did. … Fed up with the difficulties of writing about serious issues on the conservative networks, Serling turned to science fiction and fantasy. Through an ingenious mixture of morality fable and fantasy writing, he was able to circumvent the timidity and conservatism of the television networks and sponsors. Self-producing a series of vignettes that placed average people in extraordinary situations, Serling could investigate the moral and political questions of his time. He found that he could address controversial subjects if they were cloaked in a veil of fantasy, saying “I found that it was all right to have Martians saying things Democrats and Republicans could never say.”
 * Rod Serling profile at American Masters (29 December 2003)

For Rod, the Twilight Zone was a success, and yet he was sort of victimized by it. His best work was the Playhouse 90 stuff, the social commentary. The Twilight Zone made him a TV personality, and that kind of fame took its toll.
 * I didn't know him that well, not in social circles. He was a friendly sort and, as a writer, very supportive of his writers on the show. But he always shot my scripts word for word. He seemed to be driven, almost harassed by life. He seemed to reach a plateau in his career, and after a time it all came crashing down. That kind of fame is very difficult to adjust to. Luckily, I've never had that kind of pain or pleasure.
 * Richard Matheson, in "New Jersey Q & A: Richard Matheson; An Influential Writer Returns to Fantasy" by Albert J. Parisi, in The New York Times (10 April 1994)

 * I knew Rod and socialized with him also. And, of course, I worked with him, too; we had previously collaborated on some westerns and detective stories. He was really a sweetheart. He was a writer himself, which was extremely unusual back then, for someone who started a series to already be a successful writer. He had had lots of experience with production people, so he understood that he needed to surround himself with the best writers he could get, and then let them do their thing. There wasn’t a line in any of the Twilight Zones that I wrote that wasn’t mine.
 * Richard Matheson, as quoted in "He Is Legend", Cinema Spy (11 December 2007)

 * “One thing that we definitely landed on was Serling’s show is important. He is a master of parable. He’s a master of allegory. And what he did was he spoke to society through stories,” said Peele. “This is one of the most powerful weapons that people have against violence and hatred and all the awful things that this world can bring and certainly all the awful things that we have now. There were some things that Serling was simply 50 years too early to talk about.” However, on the flip side of that serious purpose lies a certain slyness. “One of the things that really opened this up for me was to realize that [Serling] is a humorist. We think of him as a horror science fiction master but he has a perfect-pitch tone of comedy… that we were calling the Serling wink.”
 * Jordan Peele as quoted by Hanh Nguyen, ”‘The Twilight Zone’ Reboot: Jordan Peele Was Reluctant to Narrate Like Rod Serling”, IndieWire, (Mar 25, 2019)

 * No one could know Serling, or view or read his work, without recognizing his deep affection for humanity, his sympathetically enthusiastic curiosity about us, and his determination to enlarge our horizons by giving us a better understanding of ourselves. He dreamed of much for us, and demanded much of himself, perhaps more than was possible for either in this time and place. But it is that quality of dreams and demands that makes the ones like Rod Serling rare ...and always irreplaceable.
 * Gene Roddenberry, eulogy for Rod Serling (1975)

 * I think Rod would have been one of the first to say he hit the new industry, television, at exactly the right time. The first job he got out of school was as continuity writer at (radio station) WLW in Cincinnati. He worked there for over a year before he could free-lance. At that point, he was really working on television scripts. [I]n 1951 and 1952, the new industry was grabbing up a lot of material and needed it. It was a very propitious time to be graduating from school and getting ready to find a profession.
 * Carol Serling qtd. in Rick DuBrow, "Assessing the Astonishing Impact of Rod Serling's 'Twilight Zone' : Television: KTLA Channel 5 presents its eighth annual marathon of the venerable hit today. Serling's widow calls the show a 'cottage industry.'". Los Angeles Times, (July 4, 1990).

title: Rod Serling


text:
Brandon Flowers

Brandon Flowers (born June 21, 1981, in Las Vegas, Nevada) is the vocalist and keyboardist in the American rock band The Killers.

Sourced

 * "This album is one of the best albums in the past 20 years. There's nothing that touches this album. And that sounds like I'm being cocky, but I'm just so excited."
 * On Sam's Town
 * Montgomery, James (May 2, 2006). "Killers' Next LP Will Show Strong Influence Of ... Bruce Springsteen!?" MTV.com Retrieved 2007-12-11

 * A rental car in Savannah, Georgia. In the middle of touring, we had a week off. I have a problem with flying, so instead of going home, my wife came to me and we rented a car and drove around. Just pulled off on some dirt roads...
 * When asked the craziest place he's ever had Sex.
 * Joshua (October 2006), "The Same 5 Questions We Always Ask: Brandon Flowers". JANE. Volume and issue unknown:42

 * What song do I hate? I think "Daughters," by John Mayer, would be a good candidate. I don't know why he bugs me so bad."
 * Brandon Flowers on what song would be playing if he went to hell. (2005) (Rolling Stone Magazine)

 * "Look at a band like the Bravery. They're signed because we're a band," Flowers said. "I've heard rumors about [members of] that band being in a different kind of band, and how do you defend that? If you say, 'My heart really belongs to what I'm doing now,' but you used to be in a ska band. I can see the Strokes play or Franz Ferdinand play and it's real, and I haven't gotten that from the Bravery. I think people will see through them."
 * "Killers' To-Do List: Lawsuit, Long-Form Video, Beef With The Bravery" (03/28/2005) from MTV.com

 * "Now he's just signed Fall Out Boy, which means more of his attention will go to them that should have gone to The Killers".
 * "The Killers get a new feud" (9/27/2005), from NME.com
 * On why The Killer's weren't getting all the attention they deserved from their A&R man

 * "It's something that you dream about, but Milli Vanilli got a Grammy. So it's hard to decide whether you're happy or not."
 * When asked by Rolling Stone if he was "psyched" to be nominated for another Grammy.
 * "Grammy Preview: The Killers," Rolling Stone magazine (issue 993), February 9, 2006

 * "Barack Obama being elected. I think about how… um… how my sons will grow up only knowing a black President. [Wells with tears] I can’t explain how that’s changed America. There’s an optimism now that wasn’t there for black people."
 * When asked what the most culturally significant event for him between 2000 and 2010
 * "Brandon Flowers On His Sons", BabyCouture (accessed December 20, 2010)

 * "I think I always knew that I would have kids but I didn’t… understand… the… whooooo [brims with tears once again]. That I could love my kids the way that I love ‘em. I didn’t know there was… room for that. You love your wife, your family, but it’s different with your kids. I didn’t know I could be so selfless. I would do anything for my kids. Anything. I guess everybody goes through it."
 * When asked what surprised him about being a husband and a father?
 * "Brandon Flowers On His Sons", BabyCouture (accessed December 20, 2010)

You know what I would change about this moment? Nothing(looking at his band mates while recording at Abby Road Studio)(Sun dance Chanel For the T.V. Show "Live at Abbey Road")

About Brandon Flowers

 * "He is a little genius. He's a deep soul and a spirit man. I think we've only seen the tip of the iceberg [with 2010's Flamingo]."
 * Daniel Lanois, S. V. L. (November 12, 2010). Entertainment Weekly (1128):76

 * "The Killers' lead singer doesn't like me, but he can eat it. I think he has some great tunes." ~ John Mayer
 * On why he loves the song Mr. Brightside, from his August 1, 2005 column in Esquire magazine.

 * "If you have seen them live, they are incredibly boring. You remember what they used to look like? Then people started comparing them to us and suddenly they got a stylist," he said. "And Brandon frosted his hair and he's buying the cute pink jacket."
 * "Lean Beef: The Killers Vs. The Bravery" (05/05/2005) from MTV.com
 * Bravery guitarist Michael Zakarin in response to Flowers disparaging comments.

 * "I think both [Killers frontman] Brandon [Flowers] and I are alike because we both use too much hair product and run our mouths way more than our bands like."
 * "Fall Out Boy/ Killers Beef Gives Birth To A Song," 10/07/2005 from MTV.com
 * Pete Wentz on why there's no "beef" between his band, Fall Out Boy, and The Killers

title: Brandon Flowers