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User talk:Cute 1 4 u~enwikiquote

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Flight 29 Down
How do you think of the article I cleaned-up, Flight 29 Down? Just wondering.-- Cute 1 4 u  |talk to me!  19:51, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I appreciate your enthusiasm for editing, and I hope that you'll take this as constructive criticism, but it seems mostly like you've just expanded the page, rather than cleaning it up. There are two things I notice about your additions. One, they're arranged by character. While this may seem like a perfectly natural way to do it, and indeed, is how it's handled for films (with the exception of dialogue), for television shows, we prefer that it be arranged by episode, so that all of the quotes come with source information. (You can have a look at Futurama for an example of what I mean). The second thing is that you've put all the quotes in italics. Around here, italics are usually reserved for (in the case of films or TV shows) indicating an action or other unspoken part, or for bits where a language other than English is used.
 * That said, there are a lot of things at Wikiquote that can take some getting used to, formatting being one of the most major. If you stick around and keep editing (and I hope you do), you may want to have a look at Templates, which gives a standard reference for different types of media. If it's not clear, and you're not sure how something should be done, feel free to ask me (or any of the other admins) and we can provide you with help or examples. —LrdChaos 20:07, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Adminship; personal information
First, I want to apologize for my brusque opposition to your self-nomination for adminship. Basically, the Wikiquote community has, in the past, had no problems allowing editors who have been banned on other projects to edit here, as long as they act in good faith and don't do the things that got them banned elsewhere. (This is subject to Wikimedia Foundation's ability to ban users across projects, but we've rarely seen that problem here, and I am unaware of any such ban directed at you at this time.) But adminship on a Wikimedia project requires a level of responsibility and measured judgment in editing that, while you may be capable of it, you have not yet demonstrated here. (That's not a criticism. Very few editors tackle this process of becoming an admin, and most of those who don't are still valued contributors. Adminship is more of a commitment than a privilege, and Wikimedia tries to make as much work as possible doable by any editor.)

Second, and of much greater concern, is the issue of your age and personal information. As you may be aware, there is a discussion about you going on at w:WP:AN/I that is currently addressing how Wikimedia projects should handle underage users, as defined by the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act. It's not clear to me whether Wikimedia has any direct responsibility, but in general, it is a very bad idea for anyone (regardless of age) to post so much personal infomation about themselves on the Web. Not only have recent news reports made clear that there are many stalkers and pedophiles who are savvy enough to track down kids on the Web, but there are also many unscrupulous people and businesses who are more than happy to try to use this information to swindle anyone who doesn't approach Internet-based information with a very high degree of caution.

Until we can get some guidelines on this issue, I would appreciate it if you could remove your age from your user page. You should also consider, when you are adding information here or on other web account user pages, whether the things you say can be used by unpleasant people, who may wish to do you harm, to find out who you are in the real world. (A few minutes' checking on your other accounts told me more than I should know about you, and I wasn't even really trying. Notice that I'm not saying how I found your other accounts, nor what I found, as we can't know who else might be reading this. That's the kind of caution I'm talking about.) I would also recommend that you discuss the problem of meeting people on the Internet (vs. protecting yourself from people you don't want to meet) with your parents and/or an adult that you trust. Thank you for listening. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Custom TOCs
I've removed the custom tables of contents you've made for a couple of pages. Custom tables of contents make editing an article much more complicated, so they should only be used where they're really necessary. Usually, this means that the default TOC has grown so long as to take up an inordinate amount of vertical space, and the custom TOC shrinks that. So, when a show only has one season, and only a few episodes, adding and maintaining the custom TOC is a lot of extra work for not much benefit. Another concern is creating custom TOCs for shows which are still on the air; when a new episode is aired, it's much more effort to update the custom TOC than it is to simply create the new section and have the TOC updated automatically. I know that you mean well, and appreciate your enthusiasm, but it's far easier for other editors (and even for you) to leave the table of contents alone until there's a need to put in a custom one. —LrdChaos 21:51, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Cute, I saw your discussion with LrdChaos on his talk page about this subject. You might want to take a look at some recent discussions on this subject that I've had with a relatively new editor who created TOCs for Veronica Mars and Gilmore Girls (see Talk:Veronica Mars and Talk:Gilmore Girls). (The discussions start out the same, but get into show specifics later in the dialog.) These are two shows that are very popular, and GG desperately needs its custom TOC after 7 seasons, even though it's got one more to go.

 * But the only person willing to work on the TOC was this anonymous editor, who wasn't willing to commit to this difficult task. I'm afraid I was a bit hard on him/her, but that's because this person wouldn't even accept responsibility for the mistakes s/he made. Custom TOCs take a lot of wiki skill, patience, and careful attention to detail. (Every little letter, space, and punctuation character can count, so we need someone who shows an innate understanding of wiki editing and an ability to catch and correct mistakes — especially their own — quickly.) Anyone who works on these knows they're impossible not to make mistakes with on occasion. No ordinary wiki editor can edit these monsters without disaster, and few would try, so someone needs to commit to maintaining these things even if others break them.

 * Even when someone commits to such a project, they shouldn't make extra work for themselves if they can avoid it. That's a major reason why we like to wait until a show is done, because each new season or show is an opportunity to break the table. Furthermore, these tables tend to be ungainly and have an unaesthetic appearance unless someone devotes considerable attention to some formatting that depends on careful evaluation of the layout of titles in the table. (Unfortunately, I'll have to blow my own horn on this one: take a look at my TOCs for Blackadder, Babylon 5, and Firefly (TV series), versus simpler ones others have created for Angel (TV series) and Charmed (TV series). Also look at my more complicated ones, like Buffy and MST3K, that sacrifice readability for compactness. The problems can be quite challenging.)

 * Eventually, I had to revert the Veronica Mars TOC, and I will probably have to do so for Gilmore Girls as well. In summary, this is a field one should not jump into too quickly. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:14, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

expansion tag?
''Are there tags/templates for expanding articles (like the expandsion tag on wikipedia) ? Just wondering.-- ~ ♥ * Cute 1 4 u  |talk to me! * ♥ ~  02:06, 29 August 2006 (UTC)''

 * Not that I'm aware of. (Editors tend to import tags from Wikipedia as they discover a need for them. If you do this, make sure the tag works correctly, as many WP tags have fancy features that don't work on Wikiquote without some extra effort to convert them.) Articles here are typically either stubs or they're not. Our lack here may be because the vast majority of requested work on Wikiquote articles is to clean them up by formatting them correctly, adding an appropriate 1-4 line introductory paragraph (usually based on Wikipedia's intro), and sourcing the quotes, which is by far our biggest challenge. Everyone wants to add quotes; very few people want to identify exactly where they came from. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:13, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay. It works on this site. All I have to do (if I can) is make a page called " Requests for expansion" (to make request for things that need to be expanded like on wikipedia), remake the tag, and make a category (possibly called "Category:Articles to be expanded". I can try this...hope it works. ~  ~ ♥ * Cute 1 4 u  |talk to me! * ♥ ~  02:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

''I just created Template:Expand. -- ~ ♥ * Cute 1 4 u  |talk to me! * ♥ ~  02:44, 29 August 2006 (UTC)''

...And I created Category:Articles to be expanded.By the way, thanks for the replies.-- ~ ♥ * Cute 1 4 u  |talk to me! * ♥ ~  02:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay I'm done.-- ~ ♥ * Cute 1 4 u  |talk to me! * ♥ ~  03:31, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for setting up this missing element for Wikiquote. You might want to take at look at the changes I made to see a few points that you missed:

 * I corrected chronological flow to match the effect of the "Submit a new request" link, which always adds items to the bottom, and which also is in keeping with the general Wikiquote practice of using forward-chronological order. I also made a few Wikiquote-specific changes that you may not have known about.

 * I swapped expansion and expand to conform to Wikipedians' expectations. (Both will work.)

 * I added specific style elements to the template, based on a use of MediaWiki:Common.css that isn't kept in sync with Wikipedia's copy. (I wouldn't advise tweaking that directly at this point, though, as disasters may ensue. Someday we'll have to add this to our maintenance projects.)

 * Don't worry about them too much, though. Just like with articles, templates and policies can be tweaked. The hardest step is usually setting them up well in the first place, which you did. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:51, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

You know, I was so busy making sure that this policy page had all the necessary tweaks for Wikiquote, that I forgot one significant difference between us and Wikipedia: we often don't bother with request pages, except for those that involve articles that don't yet exist (like Requested entries). We pretty much use templates with category tags inside them to collect such requests. I'll have to think about this a bit, but I suspect that we'll wind up redirecting your carefully crafted Requests for expansion to Category:Articles to be expanded, placing a very brief version of the text in its introduction.

This is one of the challenges in trying to adapt Wikipedia practices for much smaller projects like Wikiquote. Wikipedia has thousands of people who pore over these maintenance pages to think about things to do, so they can afford some duplication of effort, but we tend to favor simple one-step tagging wherever possible. Since Wikimedia categories can do most of the collection work, it saves us a lot of trouble. Sorry I didn't think of that sooner. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks for fixing it up. It's pretty hard for me. -- ~ ♥ * Cute 1 4 u  |talk to me! * ♥ ~  20:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Hey, it's hard for anybody, and you're doing a pretty good job so far. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:14, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Village pump questions
I've answered your two recent questions on the Village pump there, instead of here as you requested, because VP answers are often helpful to other readers as well. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Okay. thanks. -- ~ ☺ ♥ * Cute 1 4 u  |talk to me!  * ♥ ☺  ~  06:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Shorty McShorts' Shorts
I have added a "" template to the article Shorty McShorts' Shorts, suggesting that it be deleted according to the proposed deletion process. All contributions are appreciated, but it may not satisfy Wikiquote's criteria for inclusion, for the reasons given in the deletion notice (see also "What Wikiquote is not" and Wikiquote's deletion policy).

You may contest the proposed deletion by removing the  notice, but please explain why you disagree with the proposed deletion in your edit summary or on its talk page. Also, please consider improving the article to address the issues raised. Even though removing the deletion notice will prevent deletion through the proposed deletion process, the article may still be deleted if it matches any of the speedy deletion criteria or it can be sent to Votes for deletion, where it may be deleted if consensus to delete is reached. User: Tryst (talk to me!) 15:39, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

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User talk:Topherclay

Welcome
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Talk:Ariel Sharon

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“Israel may have the right to put others on trial, but certainly no one has the right to put the Jewish people and the State of Israel on trial.”

-- Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, 25 March, 2001 quoted in BBC News Online

"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

And what the guy said above me too*

There sure seems to be a lot of scandelous quotes that allegedly came from "a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party" reported by Agence France Presse (on November 15, 1998). Has anyone bothered to subscribe to AFP and verify this? Lazarus 19:02, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands." -- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of the Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, Nov. 15, 1998.

Unsourced
Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable, precise and verifiable source for any quote on this list please move it to Ariel Sharon. --Antiquary 17:49, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
 * ".ההתיישבות היהודית היא לא מכשול לשלום, ההתיישבות היהודית היא מכשול למלחמה"
 * Translation: "The Jewish settlements are not a barrier to peace, the Jewish settlements are a barrier to war."
 * 1970s?

 * ".מלחמת שלום הגליל היתה מהמוצדקות ביותר במלחמות ישראל"
 * Translation: "Peace for Galilee's war was one of the most justified of Israel's wars."
 * Source: TV interview, 1986?

 * "I know I have been portrayed as a general looking for war. Many other headlines speak of that. That’s what people say. But I understand the importance of peace because I saw the horrors of war. That’s how I see it. I lost my best friends in battles — and I had to make decisions of life and death, of others and myself."

 * "The right of the Jewish people to the Land of Israel does not mean disregarding the rights of others in the land. The Palestinians will always be our neighbors. We respect them and have no aspirations to rule over them. They are also entitled to freedom and to a national, sovereign existence in a state of their own." --In his UN Speech, September 18, 2005

 * "Our desire for peace is strong enough to ensure that we will achieve it, if only our neighbors are genuine partners in this longed-for goal. If we succeed in working together we can transform our plot of land, which is dear to both peoples, from a land of contention to a land of peace – for our children and grandchildren." --In his UN Speech, September 18, 2005

 * "I want to thank the Soviet Army for saving the Jews and the mankind in World War II." --during his visit to Moscow, September 5, 2001

Can anyone find a source of his famous quote from the six-day or maybe Yom kippur war? After conquering a lot of Egyptian territory, he supposedly jumped in a lake or river and said something among the lines: "We bathe in their water, we eat their fish!" At least this is how screenwriter John Milius quotes him.

Quotes about Ariel Sharon (unsourced)

 * "I believe Mr. Sharon to be a man of peace." --President George W. Bush speaking of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in a public news conference in 2003.

"I know I have been portrayed as a general looking for war..."
A quote starting with the text above was added to this page in 2006 but the ref given is long dead (I think?). It was a 2 short paragraph quote, and I see the second part of the quote is still here. Is the wq-editor who trimmed this quote still around and can satisfy my curiosity? Ottawahitech (talk) 16:17, 7 November 2023 (UTC)

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User talk:Horse475

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User talk:Bh~enwikiquote

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User talk:Enigmaticz

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User talk:Brit h

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User talk:Devnb

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User talk:Fabartus

=email= For some reason wiki-email won't send me enabling links despite several attempts. I've noted such to Brion Vibber @ META, and hope it's working soon.

 * Doesn't matter: Just use: Fabartus -at- comcast -dot- net

Regards, Fra nkB 08:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

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Interwiki templates from Wikipedia
I hope you won't take this the wrong way, but I'm curious as to why you've been bringing over various interwiki templates from Wikipedia. I haven't really noticed any of them being used on any pages here (though maybe I haven't looked at the right ones), and usually, templates aren't brought over to here from Wikipedia until there's a need for them. (This isn't any sort of policy, it's just the way things seem to work.) I don't mean to discourage you, I'm just genuinely curious if there was a reason I'm missing (for all I know, it could be "because you feel like it" or because you intend to use them later, and that's fine). —LrdChaos 16:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * So sorry about the great delay. About the time you posted that, I was preparing to travel for an extended period, one of the perils of being self-employed. I'd recast the system during the next several weeks in between engineering tasks, and Interwikitmp-grp and files of related names were left hanging unfinished. There are only so many hours in a day, alas! Your compadre, JeffQ left a note on my wikipedia talk, which I barely managed to find on a quick trip home.

 * I'm afraid in retrospect that wasn't the politest answer I've ever given. Sincere apologies Jeff, RL intruding on Wiki-work I'm afraid. I plead being very under the gun, having to fly back out right away, and most all the discussion of this scheme was by email. Unbeknownst to me, my email here was turned off. I was answering that occasionally by satelite phone link to laptop. In any event, I'm surprised the project survived as well as it did, and wasn't deleted on Wikipedia. Wiktionary and Wikisource seems to have deleted it almost as well as you guys, but that's No big deal either. I'm sure it doesn't make my delete log and contribs here look too good though!

Aside: Demo of interwikitmp-grp in tagging mode... The individual 'sisters' can be dropped from a link, or indeed, cross linked to a different name.

 * It's key template (above--I took the liberty of reimporting that in the improved version. Like the trashed up stuff, this current pass still has a lot of convienience links, of which the tools templates, frankly, you don't have here already. They're readily available on Meta or Wikipedia or the Commons, so either you all don't talk about templates and categories over here, or you've got simiar efforts that are probably not as optimized. Either that or you have a different name hung on them.

 * I'm surprised (and gratified) the system survived intact at all--it's key piece (above) went under a TfD onslaught the day I left town in September, and survived despite my not being able to stick up for it. The Wikipedia/Meta/Commons stub versions were much farther developed and I just didn't have the time to export updates before leaving to all the sisters. In fact, I decided I was foolish to try an update all nine in development, so you only got the earliest versions before refinements. And a small variety of support templates, best classed as typing aids. So apologies, what you had were bits and pieces of something mostly dysfunctional, and at best ugly.

And certainly an apology for the tardy response. I should have perhaps checked my 'mail' here sooner, but I just recently had the block of time necessary to work out the bugs in the system, and alas, I'm not the best template programmer that ever lived, so the key contributions that set me forth again came from a couple of others. I think the easiest way to answer the intent of your question is this defense of it earlier this month. That outlines pretty well what the goals and beliefs are behind my tackling such a large effort. I make my living thinking outside the box, and I guess this is some more of the same. In the meantime, my heads due on a pillow. Regards // Fra nkB 09:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC) (xpost notice on User talk:LrdChaos and User_talk:Jeffq).

Something's up

 * I recommend you to stop posting any new template and give the community explanation. Generally it is not reasonable way to continue posting materials similar with something now listed on WQ:VFD without any explanation. --Aphaia 11:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Not sure what you're talking about, but I'll see what's going on on that link. I've been up all night, so can use a break. Thanks for the heads up. FYI--I'm just trying to put a communication system in place and deliver a few goodies along the way. See W:Wikipedia:WikiProject template sharing... it's a very rough stab, but the thrust of the concept should be clear. If it's not, please tell me what isn't. Once I get a stub system in place I need to polish that up and make it a Meta-project, present it to the Communication committee for cross language adoption, and all that. Just getting all the eye's dotted and tees crossed has taken some serious time investment. Thanks! // Fra nkB 13:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC) (Xpost to user talk:Aphaia)

Response to lengthy VfD post
I've copied my response to your lengthy post to Wikiquote:Votes for deletion/Template:Interwiki doc page pattern, Template:CAT, Template:Template doc page viewed directly, as it suggests you may not bother reading further communication there. I believe it's important to understand these points.

 * Thank you for making my point, Fabartus. You can spend hours composing invective, but you don't see the need to spend that time doing basic interoperability testing and documentation (let alone the comprehensive regression testing that any experienced software engineer should know is essential) before you foist your "helpful" template infrastructure on a project. You also make repeated claims of your material being "widely used", but every time I check your work on Wikipedia, it has little use or participation from anyone else. (Word to the not-at-all-willfully-foolish: if your work isn't accepted on en:Wikipedia, you have zero chance selling it here. en:Wikipedians are far more prepared to performed un-natural selection on evolving competing templates.)

 * Bullshit Much goes on by email.
 * That the interoperability testing is being interfered with by your overly quick responses is Exactly the point.
 * One cannot write documentation, nor discuss fine points until the parameters of the problem, and the likely scope of needs are explored.
 * How does regression testing come into this? How do utility templates like indent, lts, la, cat, etc. challenge your infrastructure.
 * I addressed the participation sufficiently, I think, there ARE a few things to pin down and juggle, in case you hadn't noticed. Try porting a few yourself. // Fra nkB 17:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

 * As an apparent amateur cultural anthropologist, you'll have to pardon the "local tribe" for being unimpressed by your efforts. But your work is very obviously not designed to help newcomers, who can't — and shouldn't — be expected to learn the use of all these templates when the whole philosophy of wikis is to make editing simple! (Anyone who uses an indentation template to separate sentences in his talk-page posts clearly has an inadequate grasp of the concept of "simple".)

 * I called you "naive" not about your programming skills, although your tendency to work on projects XP-style rather than as an mature software engineer belies your focus on technical sophistication rather than usability. (No offense intended toward Extreme Programmers; in general, the methodology is quite valuable. XPers also know how to establish their environments before deploying them.) I meant "naive" in your interaction with the culture and communities that you expect to adopt your oh-so-clever mechanisms.

 * The famously eccentric mathematician Paul Erdős had great difficulty interacting with ordinary mortals, but no one questioned his amazing accomplishments. Complete your project on Wikipedia and demonstrate widespread use (not by claims but with proper, ordinary, working links to examples of its uses there), and we may reconsider. Understand, however, that most of Wikiquote work is done by anonymous editors and infrequent registered users, who will not sit still for any discussion of basic template use, let alone stuff like "separate your sentences with instead of ordinary spaces". You may find that we eventually respect you as an Erdős without being able to make use of your work. Such is the nature of life in a local tribe.

 * And one other note: anyone who attempts to do interproject work damn well better understand each community. Each project must deal with its own community, and the people participating in these communities vary incredibly between projects. A sure way to get your work rejected is to loftily assert that you "cannot be expected to be familiar with all the local politics", as if it's somehow beneath you or not worth your time. (This is yet another example of your failure to understand that a wiki project is not just about its content, but just as much about the people who create that content.) You might want to talk a bit more to Aphaia about this, as she is our Ambassador to Wikimedia and is familiar with the problems of working with many different projects. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 15:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your advice, but I'm quite familiar with the tribal nature of the different communities. HAS YOURS Adequately considered that their demands for premature discussions is more than a bit juvenile? Take your seven day limit which someone here is violating... very narrow mindset, AND DEMANDING and assumes every working man has the same involvement and ample time to respond. Do you have a courtesy notification by email in place? My point is simple. You are reacting to something which is being widely used... prematurely. I don't give a hill of beans whether some newcomer knows how to incorporate the main template, as that's the perview of the documentation your interference is delaying... though the newest version (W:template:interwikitmp-grp not yet distributed)  overcomes that usage need for the newcomer, I suspect. It certainly will in conjunction with W:template:Interwikitmp-grp/doc when the next pass of updates is completed. But why you are all picking on small parts is beyond me. If you test the Indent behavior (BTW- This is a pretty good example of how it helps clarity in talks) in talks, by the way, it doesn't break the HTML by introducing an end div, so wiki-markup wrapping continues without getting disturbed. Helps a great deal in clear presentations by numbering or alpha prefixed paragraphing presentations, when one is italicising, when one doesn't need wide space indentation for a sub-point, etcetera. Take a look at W:template talk:indent head to head comparisons and the blocked 'Indent family usage'. Sorry that I don't see the need to have an collaborator jarring my elbow whilst this was being developed, but I have had a fair bit of help from others, though admittedly most of that is by email. If you take a look at the 'Links here' on the various sisters, you'll see a fair smattering of talk discussions, so it's hardly been 'secretive or unknown', nor limited solely to wikipedia talk. Patrick over at Meta has been assisting here and there as well as David Kernow on the commons-- some just have sense to stay out of the way long enough to let things develop. // Fra nkB 17:10, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Wikiquote email address confirmation
''Oh great tribal leader ... Then help me figure out why my email isn't getting this generated email with it's coding to unlock the email facility here. Haven't had this issue on any of the other sisters. I'm suspecting an email filter on my mail client may be trapping it, and re-filing it, but need to know what the email title line might look like to see if I can check for that possible problem. That is however unlikely... no filter I have would be marking something as 'read', and the message isn't showing up anywhere by that test. Can't CC-by email with this blocked either. Please inform me by direct email, or my WP talk when you have some kind of response. I've emailed Brion Vibber on this, but don't know whether this is part of his duties. Thanks. // Fra nkB 17:26, 10 February 2007 (UTC)''

 * As a tribal leader ("great" is probably pushing it too far), I believe I can help you here. Based on a test I just completed of one of my auxiliary accounts, your should receive the following:

TO: [your email address] SUBJECT: Wikiquote e-mail address confirmation Someone, probably you from IP address [your IP address], has registered an account "Fabartus" with this e-mail address on Wikiquote. To confirm that this account really does belong to you and activate e-mail features on Wikiquote, open this link in your browser: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Special:Confirmemail/ [32 hex digits] If this is *not* you, don't follow the link. This confirmation code will expire at [hh:mm, d mmmm yyyy].

 * (Apparently, the developers forgot to include a "(UTC)" to make clear that this is the timezone meant.) Let me know if you need more information. (I am also posting this to your WP email address, as requested.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:48, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks a second time. BTW- no hard feelings, however things turn out. I begrudge the lost time some, as I have not reached back into open edits before Alaia's heads up yet and it's now 3 am once again, but that's wiki's for you. Some other matters came up complicating time spent. Sometimes you have to scratch people's backs, even when it diverts you from your tasking. See ya! // Fra nkB 08:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC) {w/xpost)

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User talk:Nwinther

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User talk:Antwan13~enwikiquote

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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Antwan13. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Antwan13~enwikiquote that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Ramoo~enwikiquote

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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Ramoo. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Ramoo~enwikiquote that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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User:Fabartus

w:user:fabartus and talk to w:user talk:fabartus

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User:Fabartus/desk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_January_15#Template:Interwikitmp-grp
 * 1)
 * 2)

Quicklinks

 * All my en.wp pages
 * All my commons pages

 * user templates

=References and patrols=

Links of current (affairs) interest

 * 1) Mapping scheme1: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Maps_indicating_history
 * 2) Mapping scheme2: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User Talk:David Kernow
 * 3) Mapping scheme3: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User Talk:David Kernow/sandbox
 * 4) Mapping scheme3: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User Talk:Fabartus

WikiPolitics

 * 1) Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_4--resolved per my suggestion
 * 2) Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_January_15-- Interwikitmp-grp TFD #2 --Outcome probably ok//Fra nkB 21:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_January_21 Still up in the air Fra nkB 21:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Template:W2c Still up in the air Fra nkB 21:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Periphially involved

 * 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Templates_for_deletion#Are_pagenames_urls_navigating_correctly

Links saver

 * 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Variable

=To-Do=
 * Put out fires as time permits.
 * 1) TT tests

Next needs

 * These need addressed when time permits
 * 1) Wiktionary code defs and this table (interlocking connnections)
 * 2) Complete interwiki template linking system
 * 3) sister templates ala WD
 * 4) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Interwikimedia_link -need to update, then post VP
 * 5) http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Interwiki_linking-need to update, then post VP
 * Category: Alternate history timelines
 * 1) [[Image:Mercruiser outdrive (rotated HPIM0528).JPG|thumb|right|250px|Bravo one Mercruiser outdrive, being removed for winterization.]]
 * 2) Category:WikiP difference with Commons Cats

Iterate development or finalize

 * 1) Commonscat/WikiPcat family of templates simplified -- began 1-26-2007 in either 'sandbox'  (lowercase).

Usage CommonscatNo

 * Successful revision incorporating IF-THEN-ELSE logic into CommonscatNo template

Update and promongulation

 * 1) Update and promongulation needed of, W2, W2c, etc. on table in Interwikimedia_link //Fra nkB 21:19, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Similar need on Canonicalization or some such title.

Essays and projects

 * 1) Newcomer tutorial help templates
 * 2) Expand user:Fabartus/getting up to speed fastinto general essay.
 * 3) WP:CIVE/WP:CIVEXT essay

Where I have a dog involved
MainBold http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion#Template:MainBold

 * 1) Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_4--resolved per my suggestion
 * 2) Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_January_15-- Interwikitmp-grp TFD #2 --Outcome probably ok//Fra nkB 21:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Templates_for_deletion/Log/2007_January_21 Still up in the air Fra nkB 21:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Template:W2c Still up in the air Fra nkB 21:11, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Royalguard11#Thanks_for_the_heads_up--TfD_nomination_of_Template:NOTOC -- Silliness

Periphially involved

 * 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Templates_for_deletion#Are_pagenames_urls_navigating_correctly

For reference to

 * 1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_2#Technical_linkto_for_VPT  this for a query on VPP on disappearing images. Will also need to do tagging on that w/Commonscat. // Fra nkB 16:09, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2007_January_4#Category:Categories_for_deletion

=Tabled Older Biz=

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Max Beerbohm

Sir Henry Maximilian Beerbohm (24 August 1872 – 20 May 1956) was an English writer and caricaturist.

Quotes

 * The Nonconformist Conscience makes cowards of us all.
 * "A Note on George the Fourth," The Yellow Book (October 1894)
 * "King George the Fourth," The Works of Max Beerbohm (1896)

 * Most women are not so young as they are painted.
 * A Defense of Cosmetics (1895)

 * To give an accurate and exhaustive account of that period would need a far less brilliant pen than mine.
 * "1880" (1895) from The Works of Max Beerbohm (1896)

 * I was a modest, good-humoured boy. It is Oxford that has made me insufferable.
 * More, “Going Back to School” (1899)

 * The most perfect caricature is that which, on a small surface, with the simplest means, most accurately exaggerates, to the highest point, the peculiarities of a human being, at his most characteristic moment in the most beautiful manner.
 * The Spirit of Caricature (1901)

 * As a teacher, as a propagandist, Shaw is no good at all, even in his own generation. But as a personality, he is immortal.
 * Around Theatres, “A Cursory Conspectus of G.B.S” (1924)

 * The past is a work of art, free of irrelevancies and loose ends.
 * Comment

 * Lift latch, step in, be welcome, Sir, Albeit to see you I’m unglad.
 * A Luncheon

 * Only the insane take themselves quite seriously.
 * Quoted in Max by David Cecil (1964), ch. 2

 * There is much virtue in a window. It is to a human being as a frame is to a painting, as a proscenium to a play, as 'form' to literature. It strongly defines its content.
 * "Fenestralia", Mainly on the Air (1946), The Atlantic (April 1944)

Zuleika Dobson (1911)

 * Zuleika, on a desert island, would have spent most of her time in looking for a man's footprint.
 * Ch. II

 * She was a young person whose reveries never were in retrospect. For her past was no treasury of distinct memories, all hoarded and classified, some brighter than others and more highly valued. All memories were for her but as the motes in one fused radiance that followed her and made more luminous the pathway of her future.
 * Ch. II

 * He was too much concerned with his own perfection ever to think of admiring any one else.
 * Ch. III

 * For a young man, sleep is a sure solvent of distress. There whirls not for him in the night any so hideous phantasmagoria as will not become, in the clarity of the next morning, a spruce procession for him to lead. Brief the vague horror of his awakening; memory sweeps back to him, and he sees nothing dreadful after all. "Why not?" is the sun’s bright message to him, and "Why not indeed?" his answer.”
 * Ch. IV

 * The dullard's envy of brilliant men is always assuaged by the suspicion that they will come to a bad end.
 * Ch. IV

 * One has never known a good man to whom dogs were not dear; but many of the best women have no such fondness. You will find that the woman who is really kind to dogs is always one who has failed to inspire sympathy in men. For the attractive woman, dogs are mere dumb and restless brutes — possibly dangerous, certainly soulless. Yet will coquetry teach her to caress any dog in the presence of a man enslaved by her.
 * Ch. VI

 * He heard that whenever a woman was to blame for a disappointment, the best way to avoid a scene was to inculpate oneself.
 * Ch. VII

 * Oxford walls have a way of belittling us; and the Duke was loath to regard his doom as trivial. Aye, by all minerals we are mocked. Vegetables, yearly deciduous, are far more sympathetic.
 * Ch. VII

 * Death cancels all engagements.
 * Ch. VII

 * It is so much easier to covet what one hasn’t than to revel in what one has. Also, it is so much easier to be enthusiastic about what exists than about what doesn’t.
 * Ch. VIII

 * She was one of those people who say "I don't know anything about music really, but I know what I like."
 * Ch. IX

 * You cannot make a man by standing a sheep on its hind-legs. But by standing a whole flock of sheep in that position you can make a crowd of men. If man were not a gregarious animal, the world might have achieved, by this time, some real progress towards civilization. Segregate him, and he is no fool. But let him loose among his fellows, and he is lost —- he becomes a unit in unreason.
 * Ch. IX

 * A crowd, proportionately to its size, magnifies all that in its units pertains to the emotions, and diminishes all that in them pertains to thought.
 * Ch. IX

 * Of all the objects of hatred, a woman once loved is the most hateful.
 * Ch. XIII

 * Just as "pluck" comes of breeding, so is endurance especially an attribute of the artist. Because he can stand outside himself, and (if there be nothing ignoble in them) take pleasure in his own sufferings, the artist has a huge advantage over you and me.
 * Ch. XV

 * The Socratic manner is not a game at which two can play.
 * Ch. XV

 * Everywhere he found his precept checkmated by his example.
 * Ch. XV

 * All fantasy should have a solid base in reality.
 * Note to the 1946 edition

And Even Now (1920)

 * I have known no man of genius who had not to pay, in some affliction or defect either physical or spiritual, for what the gods had given him.
 * No. 2, The Pines (1914)

 * No fine work can be done without concentration and self-sacrifice and toil and doubt.
 * Books Within Books (1914)

 * In every human being one or the other of these two instincts is predominant: the active or positive instinct to offer hospitality, the negative or passive instinct to accept it. And either of these instincts is so significant of character that one might as well say that mankind is divisible into two great classes: hosts and guests.
 * Hosts and Guests (1918), Harper's Monthly (August 1919)

 * I am a Tory Anarchist. I should like every one to go about doing just as he pleased — short of altering any of the things to which I have grown accustomed.
 * Servants (1918)

 * Strange, when you come to think of it, that of all the countless folk who have lived before our time on this planet not one is known in history or in legend as having died of laughter.
 * Laughter (1920)

 * It seems to be a law of nature that no man, unless he has some obvious physical deformity, ever is loth to sit for his portrait.
 * Quia Imperfectum (1920)

 * To say that a man is vain means merely that he is pleased with the effect he produces on other people. A conceited man is satisfied with the effect he produces on himself.
 * Quia Imperfectum

 * Men of genius are not quick judges of character. Deep thinking and high imagining blunt that trivial instinct by which you and I size people up.
 * Quia Imperfectum

Quotes about Max Beerbohm

 * How might one describe Max Beerbohm to someone who knows nothing about him? Well, for a start, one might imagine D.H. Lawrence. Picture the shagginess of Lawrence, his thick beard, his rough-cut clothes, his disdain for all the social and physical niceties. Recall his passionateness—his passion, so to say, for passion itself—his darkness, his gloom. Think back to his appeal to the primary instincts, his personal messianism, his refusal to deal with anything smaller than capital “D” Destiny. Do not neglect his humorlessness, his distaste for all that otherwise passed for being civilized, his blood theories and manifold roiling hatreds. Have you, then, D.H. Lawrence firmly in mind? Splendid. Now reverse all of Lawrence’s qualities and you will have a fair beginning notion of Max Beerbohm, who, after allowing that Lawrence was a man of “unquestionable genius,” felt it necessary to add, “he never realized, don’t you know—he never suspected that to be stark, staring mad is somewhat of a handicap to a writer.”
 * Joseph Epstein, Max Beerbohm (September 1985)

 * After his very early days, when he gambolled with an ornate and consciously absurd vocabulary, he wrote supremely well. His essay on Venice, originally an article in the Daily Mail, is a model not only of imaginative observation but of variety of structure. It is, I believe, the best travel sketch ever written.
 * Evelyn Waugh, 'The Max Behind The Mask', Atlas (January 1965), quoted in The Essays, Articles and Reviews of Evelyn Waugh, ed. Donat Gallagher (1983), p. 631

 * I felt, when I was listening to them, that I was listening to the voice of the last civilized man on earth. Max's broadcasts justify the entire invention of broadcasting.
 * Rebecca West, quoted in S. N. Behrman, Portrait of Max: An Intimate Memoir of Sir Max Beerbohm (1960), p. 265

 * But what did Mr. Beerbohm give to the essay and what did he take from it? That is a much more complicated question, for here we have an essayist who has concentrated on the work and is without doubt the prince of his profession.
 * Virginia Woolf, 'The Modern Essay', The Common Reader (1925; 1929), p. 276

 * If you knew how I had pored over many essays – how they fill me with marvel – how I can't conceive what it would be like to write as you do! – This is sober truth: – but I shan't attempt to say how much pleasure your letter gave me.
 * Virginia Woolf to Max Beerbohm (29 January 1928), quoted in Letters of Max Beerbohm 1892–1956, ed. Rupert Hart-Davis (1989), p. 167

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- InvisibleSun 10:33, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Cabin Boy

Removed quotes
I was going to clean up this article, but I couldn't find (or remember) which character said the following quotes. If I watch the movie again soon I'll pay attention, but I can't attribute these quotes otherwise:

"We thought you might be hungry, so we bought you a stick of gum."

"Don't chew it all in one place, shit-for-brains."

"Is it true it's unsafe to drink seawater?"

"That's a new one to me."

"It's water isn't it?"

"We gave you a loaf of bread and a carton of chocolate milk, what more d'you want?"

Please add these back to the article if you know who to attribute the quotes to. —TheMuuj 12:14, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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Laura Nyro

Laura Nyro (18 October 1947 – 8 April 1997) was an American singer, pianist and songwriter; born Laura Nigro.

Lyrics

 * I'm not scared of dying And I, don't really care If it' s peace you find in dying Well then, let the time be near.
 * "And When I Die"

 * My troubles are many They're deep as a well I swear there ain't no Heaven And I pray there ain't no hell But I'll never know by living only my dying will tell. And when I die and when I'm gone There'll be, one child born And a world to carry on, to carry on.
 * "And When I Die"

 * Give me my freedom for as long as I be All I ask of livin' is to have no chains on me All I ask of livin' is to have no chains on me And all I ask of dyin' is to go naturally... And when I die, and when I'm gone There'll be one child born, in our world To carry on, to carry on...
 * "And When I Die"

 * I was raised on the good book Jesus Till I read between the lines Now I don't believe I ever wanna see the morning
 * "Stoney End"

 * You can see the walls roar See your brains on the floor Become God Become cripple Become funky
 * "Poverty Train"

 * If you love me true And if you love me true I'll spend my life with you And Timer You're a jigsaw, Timer
 * "Timer"

 * Emily And her love to be Carved in a heart On a berry tree But it's only a little farewell lovespell Time to design a woman
 * "Emily"

 * So he swears he'll mever marry Says that cuddles are a curse Just tell him plain You're on the next train If love don't get you first
 * "Time and Love"

 * I lost my eyes In east wind skies Here's where I've cried Where I've tried Where God and the Tendaberry rise Where Quakers and revolutionaries Join for life
 * "New York Tendaberry"

 * He got his mean streak from the gutter Got his kindness from God
 * "Blackpatch"

 * I saw a man take a needleful of hard drug And die slow
 * "Been On A Train"

 * She said "I'm young enough I'm old enough In the city machine Where industries Fill the fish full of mercury"
 * "Money"

 * Sage's light Oh and Edison He made two sparks ignite All you do It's a scientific chain reaction
 * "Light" (Pop's Principle)

 * They say a woman's place Is to wait and serve Under the veil Submissive and dear But I think my place Is in a ship from space To carry me The hell out of here.
 * "The Right To Vote"

Quotes about

 * Laura Nyro made a choice that has tempted me on many occasions. And that was to lead an ordinary life. She married a carpenter, as I understand, and turned her back on it all. Which is brave and tough in its own way.
 * Joni Mitchell Interview with Rolling Stone (1979)

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Serendipity (film)

Serendipity is a 2001 romantic comedy film about two strangers who meet and are immediately attracted to each other, but let fate decide whether they will end up together. Fate responds by a series of near-encounters over the years.
 * Directed by Peter Chelsom. Written by Marc Klein.

Destiny... With A Sense Of Humor. (taglines)

Dean

 * {obituary for Jonathan} Johnathan Trager, prominent television producer for ESPN, died last night from complications of losing his soul mate and his fiancee. He was 35 years old. Soft-spoken and obsessive, Trager never looked the part of a hopeless romantic. But, in the final days of his life, he revealed an unknown side of his psyche. This hidden quasi-Jungian persona surfaced during the Agatha Christie-like pursuit of his long-reputed soul mate, a woman whom he only spent a few precious hours with. Sadly, the protracted search ended late Saturday night in complete and utter failure. Yet even in certain defeat, the courageous Trager secretly clung to the belief that life is not merely a series of meaningless accidents or coincidences. Uh-uh. But rather, its a tapestry of events that culminate in an exquisite, sublime plan. Asked about the loss of his dear friend, Dean Kansky, the Pulitzer Prize-winning author and executive editor of the New York Times, described Jonathan as a changed man in the last days of his life. "Things were clearer for him," Kansky noted. Ultimately Johnathan concluded that if we are to live life in harmony with the universe, we must all possess a powerful faith in what the ancients used to call "fatum", what we currently refer to as destiny.
 * You know the Greeks didn't write obituaries. They only asked one question after a man died: "Did he have passion?".
 * [Lying on the grass with Jonathan, outside Sara's house] Maybe we're lying here because you don't wanna be standing somewhere else.
 * Contrary to popular New York myth the Times is not omniscient.
 * [commenting on Jonathan's craziness] They should make pills for this.

Eve

 * [commenting on Sara's craziness] They should make pills for this.
 * You know who plays golf? Guys who are too fat to play tennis, like this guy.

Dialogue

 * Lars: How does Bora Bora sound?
 * Sara: Very sexy sexy.

 * Dean: I'm telling you right now British women do not age well. Eight years ago she was a luscious treat, you know, she probably looked like, you know, Baby Spice, now she could look like...
 * Jonathan: Old Spice.

 * Jonathan: This is the ultimate blend to drink. How'd you find this place?
 * Sara: I first came in because of the name: Serendipity. It's one of my favorite words.
 * Jonathan: It is? Why?
 * Sara: It's such a nice sounding word for what it means: a fortunate accident.

 * Dean: You're the shit!
 * [man next to him on plane looks over at him thinking he's talking to him]
 * Jonathan: [to the guy] That would be me, the shit.

 * Sara: Ok, favorite movie?
 * Jonathan: The correct answer is Cool Hand Luke.
 * Sara: I've never seen it?
 * Jonathan: Oh, come on! You've never seen Cool Hand Luke? Paul Newman? Oh my god! Come on! "Failure to communicate", sadistic cop with sunglasses with no name, who reminds me of you in that way.

 * [Discussing the Cool Hand Luke poster Sara saw]
 * Eve: Sara, it was a movie poster, it's no big deal.
 * Sara: It's peculiar though, right? Don't you think?
 * Eve: I thought you were through with all this new-age bullshit, feng-shuey and all that crap.
 * Sara: Eve, for someone who owns a new-age store you're incredibly earth-bound
 * Eve: Oh yeah, well, for a shrink-in-training, you're a little bit crazy, I'll tell you that much.

 * [Jonathan is trying to get Sara's information from her old Bloomingdale's account]
 * Jonathan: Would $20 help?
 * Bloomingdale's Salesman: It might if I were a health inspector.

 * Eve: Prada! Ooh! Prada! I love this stuff!
 * Salesman: That's 20 bucks.
 * Sara: Eve, that's a horrific knockoff! At least my knockoff says 'Prada,' yours says 'Prado!'
 * Eve: Well, I say for a dollar I can buy a magic marker and fix it. I'll take it!

 * Jonathan: Fortunate accidents. Lucky discoveries. Columbus in America.
 * Sara: Yeah, or Fleming discovering penicillin.
 * Jonathan: Penicillin.

 * Jonathan: Fleming is his name?
 * Sara: Yes.
 * Jonathan: Or "Jonathan and the Gloves."
 * Sara: I don't know that one.
 * Jonathan: You don't know that story? It's an old folk tale classic. Our hero, Jonathan, goes out in search of black gloves. And in a perfect act of "serendipiocity" or "serendipaciousness," he runs into a beautiful, attractive English girl with a boyfriend.

 * Jonathan: You have a boyfriend, right?

 * Jonathan: So are you gonna meet your boyfriend now or what?
 * Sara: No, I think he's out probably doing what you're doing.
 * Jonathan: Getting a crush on somebody else's girlfriend? No, I'm sorry, I just meant I had a really nice time. You know, maybe you should give me your phone number. Just in case.
 * Sara: In case of what?
 * Jonathan: In case of life. I just had a really great time and for all we know I wouldn't be able to find you again.
 * Sara: Well, if we're meant to meet again, we'll meet again. it's just not the right time now.
 * Jonathan: Maybe we're supposed to meet on British time and we're five hours too early.

 * Jonathan: You're insane.
 * Sara: Come on.

 * Sara: Okay, get in. Take a breath, and then when the door closes, hit a button.
 * Jonathan: I don't understand this.
 * Sara: You don't have to understand. You just have to have faith.
 * Jonathan: Faith in what?
 * Sara: Destiny.

 * [at Bloomingdale's]
 * Jonathan: Happy anniversary.
 * Sara: When did you get to be so unimaginably romantic?
 * Jonathan: I think that it's good luck that we return this year to the scene of the crime. (pours a paper cup of champagne) Cheers.
 * Sara: Cheers.

Taglines

 * Destiny ... With A Sense Of Humor.
 * Can Once In A Lifetime Happen Twice?
 * Sometimes True Love Can Have More Than One Face
 * No name. No address. Just fate.
 * When Love Feels Like Magic, It's called Destiny. When Destiny Has A Sense of Humor, It's Called Serendipity.
 * The love of your life could be in line for popcorn.....

Cast

 * John Cusack - Jonathan Trager
 * Kate Beckinsale - Sara Thomas
 * Molly Shannon - Eve
 * Bridget Moynahan - Halley Buchanan
 * Jeremy Piven - Dean Kansky
 * John Corbett - Lars Hammond
 * Eugene Levy - Bloomingdale's salesman (Macall Polay)
 * Marcia Bennett Mrs. Trager
 * Eve Crawford - Mrs. Buchanan
 * Evan Neuman - Kenny
 * Buck Henry - (uncredited) as himself

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My name is Alanna. Currently I work to make Wikipedia and Wikiquote a better place. The quotes I contribute are from books and plays that I have read.

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I hereby welcome myself
I hereby welcome myself to wikiquote, which I have just joined. -The Euphemism of Life 18:02, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Nice. I mostly do TV shows (Corner Gas is a small page.) --Fantasylover12 23:21, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

And The Wizard Series, the Young Wizards series by Diane Duane, is what I'm working on now.

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Talk:Jane Eyre: The Musical

I'm expanding this page to include quotes from the novel, with a subcategory for the quotes already posted from the musical. As I'm not familiar with the musical I have no idea if the quotes already here are accurate or comprehensive, so I'm leaving them as is. The Wikipedia article on Jane Eyre needed to have a rather large quote section moved here, hence the expansion of this entry. --Psipes 18:06, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/CjayC

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The result was: Delete. — Jeff Q (talk) 07:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

CjayC
While there might be an argument to be made that this person is notable (as the creator/admin of GameFAQs), the single quote listed on this page, which appears to have been used as his message board signature, doesn't seem to be first-attributed to him. It's not exactly clear where it originated, but it looks like he just picked up and used it as a signature. —LrdChaos 13:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: delete (5 deletes; no dissent). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:12, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete. —LrdChaos 13:42, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. There is no WP article on CjayC, only a redirect to GameFAQs, which itself has been tagged as unsourced. Futhermore, repeated attempts to create WP articles on this person (under "Cjayc", "Jeff Veasey", and "Veasey, Jeff") have all landed in VfD/AfDs, with the result to redirect to "GameFAQs", suggesting that this person didn't warrant an independent article. Add to that the fact that this is a single-quote article, whose sole quote isn't even properly sourced as original with the subject, and we've got nothing to work with. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:37, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ UDScott 18:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 20:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. 121a0012 02:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Mark Fancey

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The result was: Delete. — Jeff Q (talk) 07:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Mark Fancey
Vanity page for a non-notable person. —LrdChaos 17:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: delete (5 deletes from regular editors; 1 keep from creator whose only edits involve this article; discounted 5 deletes from single-edit users). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete. —LrdChaos 17:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm notable because I have a popular website!--Underdog 18:22, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't Delete. --Underdog 18:21, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Olhado 18:47, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Softmachine 18:56, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Impact12pt 19:01, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. 67.188.22.41 19:43, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete article that violates general autobiographical guidelines as well. (It could still be moved to a user page, of course.) Based on the timing of the creation of the above usernames, including Underdog, this seems like a clear case of sockpuppetry and meatpuppetry, with article creator (very likely Underdog/Mike Fancey himself) instigating them all. Note that "Underdog" was created at 18:21 UTC, during an 8-minute gap in article edits, after which edits were made by Underdog and no more by this IP. Furthermore, all the other usernames are currently single-purpose accounts, apparently created solely to support this article. Same for . ('s only edit to date has been to change the anon vote to his/her own, which LrdChaos reverted, as we have no way of knowing whether this is a new user changing their anon vote, or vandalism. But either way, it's merely more isolated support for a single article by new editors, heedless of policy.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:23, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Heavensblade23 04:39, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ UDScott 18:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 20:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. 121a0012 02:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: I must resist the urge to change my commentary above, because I just realized that what I said makes little sense. I was making a case that the single-purpose accounts that all registered within minutes of each other did so to support this article, but I misread the actual votes. They say "Delete", not "Don't Delete", which is what I'd obviously thought I'd read. In other words, we seem to have an attempt to ballot-stuff to get rid of this article. I've never seen this, and I have no idea why this would happen. Nonetheless, votes from editors who appear to have registered solely to vote — i.e., ballot stuffing — should be discounted, whichever way they go. (As of this post, none of the new editors besides Underdog has made any other edits besides a single vote here, and Underdog has only participated on this article and its VfD.) I apologize for any confusion I have sown. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:01, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Adam Domanski

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The result was: Delete. — Jeff Q (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Adam Domanski
No evidence of notability for person or quote. - InvisibleSun 05:23, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: delete (5 deletes, incl. 1 implicit; 1 struck forged vote; no other dissent). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:26, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete. —LrdChaos 13:55, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete obviously a vanity page. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ UDScott 18:42, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. 121a0012 02:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. I was a witness to the quote by Adam Domanski - SailorMan 1:07, 16 August 2006
 * Struck above vote as providing a false username; actual edit was done at 05:09, 16 August 2006 (UTC) by . ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:24, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * First, witness testimonial is not sourcing; only publication in some form is adequate. Second, it's not so much a question of if this person said something, as why this person should have an article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really matter if this person is notable or not. This is Wikipedia, not an actual pertinant source for reliable information.

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/David Dillon

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The result was: Delete. — Jeff Q (talk) 19:39, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

David Dillon
The sole quote here, which doesn't really include a verifiable source, and of which I can find no trace in a web search, does not seem like the sort of thing that a CEO would say, or that someone who would later become CEO would say, except perhaps in individual conversation, which makes sourcing the quote nigh impossible. —LrdChaos 14:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: delete (5 deletes; no dissent). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete unless the quote can be properly sourced, or other, sourced quotes are added in its place. —LrdChaos 14:01, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Concur with LrdChaos. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, concur with LrdChaos. ~ UDScott 18:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 20:25, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. 121a0012 02:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Rutgers University

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The result was: Delete. — Jeff Q (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Rutgers University
The full words to one of the school's songs, and empty sections for other songs, are not what Wikiquote is for. —LrdChaos 14:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: delete (4 deletes; 1 keep). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:20, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete unless the song is replaced by valid, sourced quotes. —LrdChaos 14:04, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete. Concur with LrdChaos. Entire songs that are not copyrighted, like "On the Banks of the Old Raritan", may be useful additions at Wikisource. (I would start by creating 1 article per song, adding them to s:Category:Song lyrics, and including them in the s:Wikisource:Song lyrics list. If there are enough songs to justify it, an article or category for "Rutgers University songs" may be useful. Also, any songwriters of these who have multiple songs may earn their own index article. But first be sure they're either public domain or released under GNU Free Documentation or Creative Commons licenses. Wikisource is adamant about this.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, concur with LrdChaos. ~ UDScott 18:43, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * DO NOT DELETE considering the lyrics for these songs are all previous to 1945, there are no considerations for copyright. The youngest song was written in the 1930s.  Therefore, public domain. Further this is not just going to be a set of song lyrics, and will include over time other quotes regarding Rutgers.  Other universities have their own wikisource pages (and I may add unsourced), there is no reasonable justification to delete this page. LrdChaos is a little too quick to put up a Vote for Delete, since he put up a VfD on 9 August, and the page was only begun on 9 August.  I guess he doesn't seem to understand the idea of a "work in progress." Talk about jumping the gun. I think LrdChaos and the rest of you need to re-read Wikiquote and reconsider your votes. —70.126.123.153 18:01, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S. The above is mine, ExplorerCDT, and stupid me forgot to log in. —ExplorerCDT 18:12, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If anyone could be described as "jumping the gun," it would be someone who posts an article as a work-in-progress and expects us to assume it will eventually be completed. We've learned from our experience on Wikiquote that most incomplete articles will remain unfinished.  Someone will do a little work on a page and then just leave it; that's been the norm.  We have no choice but to figure that what we see is all we'll get.  Hence the need to post Vote for Deletion tags as soon as this kind of article appears.  If we didn't do this, these articles would get lost in the shuffle and we'd end up with a lot of inadequate pages.  Instead of lecturing Wikiquote administrators and assuming that they don't know how Wikiquote works, you need to see that what we're asking for is far from unreasonable.  While you're constructing an article, use Notepad or the like to work on the page at your own convenience; and when you're finished, post the results. Why complicate matters, for yourself and for us, with half-done work?  Why not just wait until you've finished the task?  It's the simplest and most straightforward thing to do. - InvisibleSun 20:19, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Let's try to back down on the rhetoric, folks. I believe the editor has good intent, but just doesn't understand some of the issues and the usually detrimental effect of posting notices to VfD participants talk pages en masse (true on WP as well as WQ). I can assure them that, as InvisibleSun states, we have plenty of experience with articles that die on the vine. We also have some good experience with articles that are fixed once they've been nominated for deletion. Articles about notable subjects, as Rutgers clearly is, are not stigmatized by a VfD; all we're looking for is content fixes. To this end, I've posted one of my verbose essays on their talk page on how to solve the basic problem here. If ExplorerCDT doesn't fall asleep halfway through reading it ☺, I'm hoping they'll make use of this information, rather than unpersuasive arguments (like unsubstantiated public-domain claims), to allow us to keep this one. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:34, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. 121a0012 02:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

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Darren Hayes

Darren Stanley Hayes (born 8 May 1972, in Brisbane, Queensland, Australia) is a singer-songwriter. He is perhaps best known for his part in the hugely popular duo Savage Garden, whose international hit singles included the songs "I Want You," "To The Moon And Back," "I Knew I Loved You," and "Truly Madly Deeply."

Quotes

 * "I don't feel like I've re-invented myself, I feel like I've re-discovered who I was."
 * From the "Making of Spin" on his, at the time, new solo career

Quotes about him

 * "Darren Hayes recently came out and he certainly does make a good role model" - Generation Q

title: Darren Hayes