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DodgeBall: A True Underdog Story

Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story is a 2004 film about a group of misfits entering a Las Vegas dodgeball tournament in order to save their cherished local gym from the onslaught of a corporate health fitness chain.
 * Directed by Rawson Marshall Thurber. Written by Rawson Marshall Thurber.

Grab life by the balls. (taglines)

Peter La Fleur

 * It's time to put your mouth where our balls are.
 * I found that if you have a goal, you might not reach it. But if you don't have one, then you are never disappointed. And I've gotta tell you, it feels phenomenal.
 * I'd love to, but I don't think they make a "sorry your dodgeball coach just got crushed by two tons of irony" Hallmark card.
 * You had me at blood and semen.
 * Hey, White. I didn't think Nazi camp got out until eight. Did you decide to skip arts and crafts?
 * Lance Armstong: So what are you dying from that's keeping you from the finals? Peter LaFleur: Right now it feels a little bit like... shame.
 * Thank you, Chuck Norris.
 * [in a commercial for Average Joe's, now newly renovated and successful] Hi, I'm Peter LaFleur, owner and operator of Average Joe's Gym. And I'm here to tell you, you're perfect just the way you are. But if you feel like losing a few pounds, getting healthier and making some great friends in the process, then Joe's is the place for you. Don't forget, youth dodgeball classes are forming right now. So come on down and learn a great game the way it's supposed to be played. Right, kids?

White Goodman

 * Ball me, Blazer.
 * Oh, now he's a philoso-phizer.
 * Cram it up your cram hole, LaFleur! Prepare to be humiliated on cable television.
 * That's me, six years and six-hundred pounds ago.
 * Here at Globo Gym we understand that ugliness and fatness are genetic disorders, like baldness or necrophilia, and it's your fault if you don't hate yourself enough to do something about it.
 * Good luck losing with these losers in Las Vegas, La Fleur!
 * I can be naughty too. Really freaky naughty... you a naughty freak?
 * Yeah, that's me taking the bull by the horns, it's how I like to run my business. It's a metaphor. But that actually happened though.
 * Let's not find ourselves shackled by the bonds of employer-employee relations. Unless of course you're into that sort of thing, in which case I got some shackles in the back. Just kidding. But seriously, I've got 'em.
 * [When asked how he knew where Kate lived] It's called the Freedom of Information Act for a reason. The hippies finally got something right. Just kidding. But not really.
 * Nobody makes me bleed my own blood! Nobody!
 * My gym has shareholders, yours haven't even got... cupholders!
 * Go on and make your jokes Mr Jokey... Joke-maker!
 * I earned this body, and I built this temple with nothing more than some elbow grease and a little can-do attitude... and yes, a large inheritance from my father, Earl Goodman.
 * Here at Globo Gym, we're better than you. And we know it.
 * I wouldn't sell you your gym back for all of King Midas' silver.
 * Your "gym" is a skid-mark on the underpants of society.
 * Well, isn't that convenient for you... and the clock!
 * [obese and drowning his sorrows in junk food and turning off the television advertising the now successful Average Joe's Gym] Spare Me, I won that tournament! Fuckin' Chuck Norris!
 * Of course you'll still be yourself in a legal sense, but think of it as a thinner, more attractive you than you could ever become without us. And with our competitively priced on-site cosmetic surgery, we can turn that Frankenstein you see in the mirror every morning, into a Franken Fine!
 * I don't know if you've ever seen a hundred thousand dollars before, except perhaps in the movies. But I can assure you, something gets lost in the translation. [opens briefcase revealing single stack of bills]
 * Turn it up high Reggie, I wanna burn.
 * I know you, you know you, and I know you know that I know you.
 * We are the Globo Gym Purple Cobras, and we will, we will, rock you!
 * You're going down, La Fleur! You're going down like a sweet muffin!
 * Are you ready for the.. HURRICANE!
 * We're sweating like grease monkeys out here, I can't hold onto a ball!
 * You and your lovable band of losers have already lost!
 * What? You like it it those freaks in loser town? [Kate says They're not freaks, they're people, just like you and me] Ha, ha, people just like you and me? That's what I love about you Kate, you've got a personality!
 * I've got some great news, you're fired! Yeh, I told the bank you were stealing and drinking on the job, and they bought it! Can you believe it?!
 * And they love you. Whoo, do they love you. You're their Fonzie, Pete. Heeeeey. Right?
 * Donde Esta La Biblioteca, Pedro?
 * In 30 days I'll be bulldozing that shit heap you call a gym into permanent nothingness, And I can only hope that you, and the mongrel Race that comprise your membership are inside it when I do.
 * Joanie loves Chachi!
 * Oh my God, we never even won a regional qualifying match - oh yeah, now I remember!
 * I get it, you've caught the scent of a lesser stag in your nostrils
 * I get it. Don't crap where you eat.
 * [upset about the judges vote to let Average Joe's play] That is pure poppycock!
 * [Deleted Scene as obese and eating junk food] I'm Peter LaFleur, I'm gonna take all the money you bribed me and bet on myself at 50:1 that I'm gonna buy out your company. Brilliant plan, too bad it doesn't make any sense. I'm Peter La Fleur. Peter La Fleur, La Fleur! The flower, that's French for kiss my ass! [Smells smoke comes from the toaster and gets up] Oh man, the Pizza Bagels are burning again. God dam, piece of crap toaster!
 * [Furious upon realizing that Globo Gym now belongs to Average Joe's and that Peter is his boss] You can't be my boss! Nobody's my boss! I'm my own boss! I created myself.
 * There, happy. Fatty make a funny!
 * And our newest member, meet Fran Stalinoskovitchdadavidovichsky. In her home country of Romanovia, dodgeball is the national sport and her team, the Nuclear Power Plants, won the championship, 5 years running. Which makes her the deadliest woman on Earth with a dodgeball.

Patches O'Houlihan

 * I ain't crazy, and I ain't a guy! I'm Patches O'Houlihan, and I'm your new coach.
 * [When questioned on learning how to dodge balls] That's what this sack of wrenches is for. If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball! [Throws wrench at Justin, hitting him square in the face] Any other questions?
 * If you can dodge traffic, you can dodge a ball!
 * Just remember the five D's of dodgeball: Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive and... Dodge.
 * Holy hell son, you're about as useful as a cock flavored lollipop!
 * Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine? No! But I do it anyway, cause it's sterile and I like the taste.
 * Oh my sweet dick, it's magic!
 * Take care of your balls, and they'll take care of you.
 * If you want dodgeball victory you gotta grab it by its haunches and hump it into submission, that's the only way!
 * Remember, dodgeball is a sport of violence, exclusion and degradation. So, when you're picking players in gym class, remember to pick the bigger, stronger kids for your team. That way you can gang up on the weaker ones, like Winston here.
 * Aim low, and will someone catch a god-damn ball?! It's like watching a bunch of retards trying to fuck a doorknob out there!
 * [Deep breath in] I love the smell of queef in the morning!
 * I've got some hookers in my room... wanna go celebrate? My treat!
 * Suit yourself, queer! [when Peter declines the above offer]
 * You couldn't hit water if you fell out of a boat!
 * Come on! I've seen better runs in my shorts!
 * They're too good to be true and you suck something awful.
 * Where's your killer instinct, son? You have got to get angry, you have got to get MEAN! That's the only way you can play! (hits Gordon in the balls) You angry now?
 * Go you crazy son of a bitch!
 * [Advising Peter through the blindfold against White in a sudden death match] Just remember your training and trust your instincts. You can do it. Bye-bye.

Pepper

 * They must masturbate a lot, Cotton.
 * I feel like I'm watching a Cher video, Cotton.
 * Pepper needs new shorts!
 * I sure do like pumpkins, Cotton.
 * That'll buy you one heck of a blumpkin, Cotton!
 * I don't know how they can play in diapers, Cotton. I never could.
 * I feel shocked!
 * Hold your phone, she's got a cannon!
 * [Peter puts on blindfold] He won't be able to see very well through that Cotton.
 * Ouchtown, population: you, bro!
 * Effin-a, Cotton. Effin-a.
 * Great shot by the submissive!
 * Eff your mama, Cotton!

Dwight

 * Oh, snap!
 * We're gonna get our taints handed to us!
 * They got guys named Laser, Blazer, Taser and all other kinds of 'asers'!
 * That guy's a dickhead.
 * We could sell blood and semen.
 * He'll probably fall off the rollercoaster and break every bone in his body. [Of the others looks] I'm just sayin'.. it happens.... my cousin Ray-Ray. Boop, dead.

Gordon

 * [deleted scene and confronting his faithless mail-order wife] I want a divorce!
 * [alarmed by the redneck owner of the truck.] Um Guys, guys. Not to be a naysayer or anything, but the only customer we've had is that weird guy who keeps paying Justin to wash his truck.

Steve the Pirate

 * Bollocks!
 * Gar, this sucks!
 * Steve's gotta go drain the sea monster.
 * I'm gonna send you to hell!
 * An' I'll be splitting my buried treasure with ya... when I find it, that be..
 * Arr, Steve the Pirate be in no man's debt! I'll make a barter with you, true as the north star!

Dialogue
( electrical cracking and screaming )

 * Globo Gym Announcer: Tired of the same old you? Tired of being out of shape and out of luck with the opposite sex? Tired of being overweight and under-attractive?
 * White:[finishing a ride on the skis] Yeah! Oh, hello. I'm White Goodman, Owner, Operator, and Founder of Globo Gym America Corp, and I'm here to tell you that you don't have to be stuck with what you got.
 * [a buffed Globo Gym member is lifting weights]
 * White: Hey, Rory. Looking good.
 * Rory: Thanks.
 * White: Here at Globo Gym, we understand that Ugliness and Fatness are genetic disorders, much like baldness or necrophilia, and it's only your fault if you don't hate yourself enough to do something about it. [climbing on the rocky wall; grunts] And that's where we come in. [cackling] Globo Gym employs a highly-trained, quasi-cultural staff of personal alterational specialists. And with our competitively-priced on-site cosmetic surgery, we can turn that Frankenstein you see in the mirror every morning into a Franken-fine! [wheels out a bandaged-like-a-mummy person in a wheelchair] Of course you'll still be you in a legal sense, but think of it as a thinner, more attractive, better you than you could ever become without us. How do I know? Well, I'm not only the founder of Globo Gym. I'm also a client. [a picture of a 600-pound White Goodman from 14 years ago] That's me. Six years and 600 pounds ago... before I knew how much I hated myself. But that all changed once I founded Globo Gym. But don't just take my word for it. Listen to these Globo-Gymers tell you how it is.
 * [The scene switches to Peter's dog walking in the living room, revealing Peter sleeping on the couch.]

 * Peter: Crash, no! Crash, out! Bad dog!

( barks )

 * Peter: No grundle.

 * White: Come on down and join the winning the team. Because here at Globo Gym, we're better than you... and we know it!
 * Peter: Spare me.

( TV shuts off )

( beeps )

[ Woman ] ''Mr. LaFleur, this is Doris from the Department of Water and Power. We've been trying to.

( beeps )

[ Man ] ''This is Seth from Videorama. The following DVDs are now overdue: Drunken Hussies 3, Backdoor Patrol 5 and'' Mona Lisa Smile. Thank you.

( beeps )

 * [Patches has everyone lined up to explain the strategies of dodgeball]
 * Patches: If you're gonna learn to be true dodgeballers, then you've gotta learn the five Ds of dodgeball: dodge, duck, dip, dive and dodge! If you master the five Ds, no amount of balls on earth can hit you. [Justin raises his hand] Queerbait, go ahead.
 * Justin: Um, me? Or...I--Um...shouldn't we learn by...y'know, like dodging balls that are thrown at us, or...?
 * Patches: That's what this sack of wrenches is for. [empties the sack] If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.
 * Justin: What?
 * [Patches hurls a wrench in Justin's face, and he screams in pain]
 * Patches: Any other questions?
 * Justin: [screams] Oh, my God! [still writhing in agony on the floor]
 * Peter: Uh, Patches, is this really necessary?
 * Patches: Necessary? Is it necessary for me to drink my own urine?
 * Peter: Probably not.
 * Patches: No! But I do it anyway, 'cause it's sterile and I like the taste!
 * Peter:...Okay...

 * Peter: You want to join the cheerleaders to prove to a girl that you are not a loser?
 * Justin: Yeah, why?
 * Peter: Nothing. It's just... I guess high school's changed a lot since I was a kid.

 * [Peter and a few of the guys spy on the bikini clad girls hosting a car wash across the street which attracts more customers than the Average Joe's Gym All Male Car Wash.]
 * Owen: What are the chances on the same day right across the street?
 * Peter: Come on. Those girls beat us fair and square. I for one will be a gentleman and go over to congratulate each and every one of them. Hi, purple.
 * [Gordon then runs over to Peter, Steve, Owen and Dwight, alarmed by the truck owner and his dog.]
 * Gordon: Umm guys, guys. Not to be a naysayer or anything, but the only customer that we had so far that weird guy who keeps paying Justin to wash his truck.
 * [Peter and the others turn their attention to the male owner who is obviously using his dog to force Justin to wash his truck's wheels.]
 * Truck Owner:[playing with his belly button] That's it boy! Get in there nice and deep like.
 * [The dog barks forcing Justin to work faster]
 * Peter: Yeah, that's not good.
 * Steve the Pirate: Gar, This sucks.
 * [Peter collects Justin and the other guys and retreats to Average Joe's Gym.]

 * [Peter is the only player in his team left to fight off the girl scouts in the regional qualifying match. Tired of the brats, he hurls the ball, knocking a scout to the ground]
 * Peter: I'm so sorry, are you okay?
 * Girl Scout: Why would you hit a girl? WHY?
 * Peter: I'm so sorry, really.
 * [another girl scout whacks Peter out with a ball]
 * Referee: Winner: Troop 417!
 * Girl Scout: In your face! In your face!
 * Peter: You're adopted. Your parents don't even love you.

 * [The Girl Scouts Team: Troop 417 are smug and anticipating being declared eligible until a man runs up to the stage with a note card for the announcer to read, alarmed by what he found.]
 * Announcer: I'm sorry, we have a bit of a problem here.
 * Girl Scout Troop 417: Huh?
 * Announcer: Unfortunately for Troop 417, during the ADAA-required random drug screening, one of your player's urine tested positive for three separate types of anabolic steroids, and a low-grade beaver tranquilizer. I'm afraid by rule, your team must be disqualified.
 * [Peter is smug as most of the Girl Scout Troop 417 stare in anger at a large, well-built girl scout with a mustache and hairy arms named Bernice who got them disqualified for doing just that. A member of the Girl Scouts walks over to her furious.]
 * Girl Scout: God damn you, Bernice!
 * [Enraged, she throws her cap at Bernice for getting their team disqualified and walks off. and Bernice begins crying in a deep voice]
 * Announcer: By the power vested in me, I declared the winner of this year's Dodgeball regional qualified tournament and grammar jamboree to be... Average Joe's Gym!
 * [Average Joe's Team began to cheering]]
 * Girl Scout #2: You lied!
 * [All of the Girl Scout Troop 417 leaves, Bernice crying continues.]

 * Peter: I think the lady asked you to leave.
 * White Goodman: This doesn't concern you, La Fleur.
 * Peter: Not nearly as much as your hair does, that's for sure.

 * Peter: Alliteration aside, I think I'll take my chances.
 * White Goodman: Yeah, you will take your chances.
 * Peter: I know. I just said that.
 * White Goodman: I know you just said that.
 * Peter: I'm not sure where you're going with this.
 * White Goodman: I'm not sure where you're going with this.
 * Peter: That's what I said.
 * White Goodman: That's what I'm saying to you.
 * Peter: Okay.
 * White Goodman: ...Touché.

 * Kate: [Kate throws a dodgeball underhand, breaking off the head of the White Goodman cutout. The rest of the team stares at her] What? Eight years of softball.
 * Dwight: Man, she gotta be a lesbian!
 * Peter: She's not a lesbian.
 * Patches: All I know is that dyke can play!

 * [after watching Gordon throw a ball that missed a slowly moving target]
 * Patches: You couldn't hit water if you fell out of a boat! Where's your killer instinct, son? You gotta get angry! You gotta get MEAN! That's the only way you can play!
 * Gordon: Well, I guess I'm not really an angry person.
 * [Patches punches Gordon in the crotch and watches as he collapses]
 * Patches: Are you angry now?

 * Kate: Don't worry about him, Justin, he's a jerk.
 * Dwight: Yeah, he'll probably fall off the rollercoaster and break every bone in his body.
 * Kate: Nice, Dwight.
 * Dwight: I'm just saying, it happens. My cousin Ray-Ray, boop. Dead.

 * Cotton: It appears that Average Joe's is forfeiting the final match.
 * Pepper: That's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.

 * White Goodman: This is it, La Loser! You ready for the- Woo! -hurricane?
 * Peter: Just don't go crying to mommy when I spank you in front of all these people.
 * White Goodman: And don't go crying to your daddy, after I wipe it up with your face!
 * Peter: [As they start to walk away] Hey, White?
 * White Goodman: Yeah?
 * Peter: You look awfully fat in those pants.

 * Cotton: It looks like Peter La Fleur has actually blindfolded himself.
 * Pepper: Yeah, he will not be able to see very well, Cotton.

 * Kate: Joyce?
 * Joyce: Kate!
 * Kate: What are you doing here? I thought you were in Guam.
 * Joyce: I caught an earlier fIight, I wouldn't have miss this for the world!
 * Kate: You are amazing. (kisses Joyce passionately)
 * Dwight: I told you she was a lesbian.
 * Peter: Wow. Good call.
 * Kate: Hey! I'm not a lesbian.
 * Peter: You're not?
 * Kate: No. I'm bisexual. (kisses Peter)
 * Dwight: Oh, snap!
 * [The scene switches to the Average Joe's team including Steve donning his uniform and pirate attire standing together for a picture.]
 * Peter: Everyone, smile big for the camera!
 * [The Average Joe's smile and they're on the cover for the Obscure Sports Quarterly with the title Average Joe's Wins it All. On the bottom of the front cover shows a small expose on White's Globo Gym dodgeball team and why America loathes him.]

 * Peter: Thank you, Chuck Norris!
 * Chuck Norris: Thank you Peter.

 * White: Stick it in your ear, La Fleur. I wouldn't sell you your gym back for all of King Midas' silver. The gym is mine! So you can take your band of yellow-bellied losers and just crawl on outta here!
 * Peter: You're right. I can't make you sell back my gym, so I'll just take your advice and invest in something. Say... the controlling stake of Globo Gym.
 * White: That's preposterous! I'd never allow it.
 * Kate: Globo Gym is a publicly-traded company, there's nothing you can do about it.
 * Peter: So, I would control Globo Gym and... everything that Globo Gym owns. Which as of last night is Average Joe's Gym!
 * [Average Joe's Team cheering, alongside Fran who is with Owen. White is furious upon learning that Globo Gym now belongs to Average Joe's.]
 * Peter: I'm your new boss, White.
 * White: You can't be my boss! Nobody's my boss! I'm my own boss! I created myself!
 * Peter: You're fired, pal.
 * White: You-- You can't do anything to me! You're going down, La Fleur! You're going down like a sweet muffin!
 * Me'Shell: (another buff member of the Globo Gym Purple Cobras is seen restraining White) Another time, another time.
 * White: You suck, LaFleur! (Walks away with his team minus Fran and steals a kid's hot dog) Give me that. (chows down on the hot dog.)

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 * [Steve shows up having cleaned himself up and faces Peter in the middle of the celebration.]
 * Steve: I just want to say I thought about what you said and you were right I'm not really a pirate.
 * Peter: I don't know, Steve. If you're not really a pirate, who will I share this buried treasure with?
 * [The Casino Host opens up the treasure chest to reveal the $5 million Peter won off a long shot bet he made on Average Joe's to win.]
 * Steve: (Reverting back to the lovable pirate he is) Gar! Peter?
 * Peter: Gar, Steve.

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 * [An Average Joe's commercial is seen in which is now newly renovated and successful due to Peter's better money management and business skills.]
 * Peter: Hi, I'm Peter LaFleur, owner and operator of Average Joe's gym and I'm here to tell you, you're perfect the way you are. But if you feel like losing a few pounds, eating healthier and making a few friends in the process, then Joe's is the place for you.
 * [Peter is seen with Kate (who is now his girlfriend), Dwight, Gordon with his children, Steve the Pirate, Justin, Amber (Justin's pregnant girlfriend), Owen and Fran. They are surrounded by children and on top of the newly built Dodgeball gym is a picture of a wheelchair bound Patches O' Houlihan.]
 * Peter: Don't forget, youth dodge ball classes are forming right now. So learn a great game like it's supposed to be played. Right, kids?
 * Children: Right.
 * [They throw dodgeball at Peter and co, and having a blast in it. A scene soon switches to White Goodman's living room. He's now obese from drowning his sorrows in junk food]
 * White: [mock laughter before turning off the TV with the remote.] Spare me, I won that tournament. [Eats a chicken thigh] Fuckin' Chuck Norris!

Taglines

 * Grab life by the balls.
 * Go Balls Deep! (Banner on display in arena.)

title: DodgeBall: A True Underdog Story


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Alan Shepard

Alan Bartlett Shepard, Jr. (November 18, 1923 – July 21, 1998) (Rear Admiral, USN, Ret.) was the second person and the first American in space. He later commanded the Apollo 14 mission, and was the fifth person to walk on the moon.

Quotes

 * There's no question that all the generations got excited about the first flights, with Kennedy's inspiration to go to the moon, leaving the planet for the first time, and fortunately coming back.
 * Richard Louv (August 2, 1995) "The thrill of space? Let's ask Alan Shepard", The San Diego Union-Tribune, p. A-2.

 * I know you're all saying I can go to the moon but I can't find Pasadena.
 * When Shepard arrived a half-hour late to a book signing of Moon Shot: The Inside Story of America's Race to the Moon — reported in Sun-Sentinel wire services (June 19, 1995) "Astronaut Late to Signing", the Sun-Sentinel, p. 2A.

 * There were similarities between these two incidents. The similarity was too much success … over-confidence and complacency, quite frankly.
 * Discussing the 1967 Apollo 1 fire and 1986 Space Shuttle Challenger disaster incidents — reported in the Deseret News staff (May 7, 1995) "Even Cosmos Is Aghast at Size of Earthly Egos", the Deseret News, p. A2.

 * I realized up there that our planet is not infinite. It's fragile. That may not be obvious to a lot of folks, and it's tough that people are fighting each other here on Earth instead of trying to get together and live on this planet. We look pretty vulnerable in the darkness of space.
 * Josh Getlin, Los Angeles Times (July 19, 1994) "What Does Moon Flight Mean Now", The Seattle Times, p. A10.

 * I guess those of us who have been with NASA … kind of understand the tremendous excitement and thrills and celebrations and national pride that went with the Apollo program is just something you're not going to create again, probably until we go to Mars.
 * James Endrst (July 8, 1994) "It's Been 25 Years Since We Took That Giant Leap For Mankind - Moon Odyssey", the Hartford Courant, p. B1.

 * We need a continuing presence in space.
 * Bill Kaczor, Associated Press (May 8, 1993) "Astronauts advocate return to the moon, space flights beyond", The Tampa Tribune, p. 7.

 * The first one I hit pretty flush with one hand - went about 200 yards. And the second one I shanked, and it rolled into a crater about 40 yards away.
 * Describing his golf shots made on the Moon — reported in Philip Morgan (April 4, 1993) "'Boy, what a ride!' - On May 5, 1961, Alan Shepard went from being a mere Navy commander to an American icon - the country's first man in space. That 15-minute, 28-second flight on Freedom 7 catapulted him into fame, searing his name and face into the collective imagination of a generation", The Tampa Tribune, p. 1.

 * I think about the personal accomplishment, but there's more of a sense of the grand achievement by all the people who could put this man on the moon.
 * The Denver Post staff (September 29, 1992) "Shepard still shoots for moon", The Denver Post, p. 1D.

 * I can hit it farther on the moon. But actually, my swing is better here on Earth.
 * The Orlando Sentinel staff (August 13, 1992) "Lunar-Golfer Shepard Takes Swings In Tourney", The Orlando Sentinel, p. A2.

 * If we had said 30 years ago that we were going to have only two incidents with casualties, we would have thought, 'Boy, that's great. To me, that indicates that the program has really exceeded what the early expectations were.
 * Beth Dickey, Reuters (May 5, 1991) "First American in Space Marks 30th Anniversary", The Commercial Appeal, p. A2.

 * No way that any astronaut worth his salt volunteered for the space program to become a hero. You don't select astronauts who want fame and fortune. You select them because they're the best test pilots in the world, they know it, and it's a personal challenge for them. And the astronauts of today are exactly the same.
 * Roxanne Roberts (May 4, 1991) "Blastoff to the Past - Tribute to America's First Men in Space", The Washington Post, p. D1.

 * I just wanted to be the first one to fly for America, not because I'd end up in the pages of history books.
 * Marcia Dunn, Associated Press Aerospace Writer (May 1, 1991) "Ex-Astronaut Recalls Thrill of 1st U.S. Space Flight", The Deseret News, p. A1.

 * This is the first time that astronauts of the first group have exhibited things that are personal and sentimental to them. We hope it will encourage youngsters to follow in our footsteps.
 * On dedicating the Astronaut Hall of Fame — reported in Associated Press (May 12, 1990) "Five of Mercury Seven return to the Cape, Launch Hall of Fame - Astronauts hope exhibits will inspire youths to learn", The Gazette, p. A2.

 * The same way people are now paying a couple thousand dollars to fly to other parts of the world, people will be paying $50,000 to spend a weekend on a space station.
 * Malcolm Howard (April 30, 1987) "The Day the Earth Stood Still - On Film, Anyway", The Record, p. B08.

 * We had some adverse conditions in the '60s, in the '70s and the '80s. The agency has risen above that in the past and will rise above that again.
 * Elizabeth Kastor (February 21, 1987) "The Flight of Memory - Mercury Reunion Honors Glenn's Voyage", The Washington Post, p. G1.

 * We're going to see passengers in space stations in 15 years, who will be able to buy a ticket and spend a weekend in space.
 * The Dallas Morning News staff (July 28, 1986) "People", The Dallas Morning News, p. 2A.

 * The fact that every part of this ship was built by the low bidder.
 * When asked by a reporter what he thought about while inside the capsule atop the Redstone rocket.
 * Quoted by Gene Kranz in Failure is Not an Option (2000).

About

 * Now that we've lost Alan Shepard, I can't help feeling that something is wrong with this picture; astronauts aren't supposed to grow old and leave this Earth forever. In our memories, they remain as Shepard was on that sunny Friday morning in May 1961, when he lay inside a tiny Mercury capsule ready to be hurled into space atop a Redstone booster.
 * Andrew Chaikin (August 2, 1998) "Real American heroes: Shepard pushed our frontiers", Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, p. 3.

 * With the passing of Alan Shepard, our nation has lost an outstanding patriot, one of its finest pilots -and I have lost a very close friend.
 * Senator John Glenn — reported in Nicole Koch (July 24, 1998) "The man who played golf on the Moon", The Daily Telegraph (Australia), p. 035.

 * His service will always loom large in America's history. He is one of the great heroes of modern America.
 * President Bill Clinton — reported in Seth Borenstein (July 23, 1998) "Astronaut Filled America's Need for a Space Hero", Detroit Free Press, p. 1A.

 * His flight was a tremendous statement about tenacity, courage and brilliance. He crawled on top of that rocket that had never before flown into space with a person aboard, and he did it. That was an unbelievable act of courage.
 * NASA Administrator Daniel Goldin — reported in Mark Carreau (July 23, 1998) "Alan Shepard, first American in space, is dead at 74 - Space Age pioneer succumbs to lengthy illness in California", Houston Chronicle, p. A1.

 * One can make the argument that the success of the Shepard flight enabled the decision to go to the moon.
 * John Logsdon — reported in John Noble Wilford, The New York Times (July 23, 1998) "Alan Shepard 1923-1998 One of 7 Original Astronauts, He was First American in Space", The Plain Dealer, p. 1A.

 * Alan Shepard was a great man, a great leader. We were pioneers. If you are an explorer, what more can you ask than to travel into space.
 * Edgar Mitchell — reported in St. Petersburg Times staff (July 23, 1998) "Alan Shepard Jr. 1923-1998 - Space pioneer", St. Petersburg Times, p. 1A.

 * Certainly Shepard's flight was a major moment in American history and it clearly showed we were going to respond to the Soviet challenge.
 * Louis Friedman — reported in David Montero (July 23, 1998) "Alan B. Shepard: 1923-1998 - A man of the heavens First American in space, moon golfer dies in sleep", Ventura County Star, p. A01.

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Marcelle Ferron

Marcelle Ferron (Louiseville, 1924 - Montreal, 2001) was a Canadian Québécoise painter and stained glass artist, was a major figure in the Quebec contemporary art scene, associated with the Automatistes.

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 * My aim has always been modest; I wanted to transform the arranged marriage (of art and architecture) into a love match.
 * Original in French: Mon propos a toujours été modeste, je voulais transformer ce mariage de raison en un mariage d'amour.
 * Cited at : Ferron, Marcelle; Prix Paul-Émile-Borduas 1983; Catégorie : Culturelle at prixduquebec.gouv.qc.ca, 2012-10-29

L'esquisse d'une mémoire, 1996
Ferron, Marcelle, et Michel Brûlé. L'esquisse d'une mémoire. Montréal: Les Intouchables, 1996, pp. 217-222.

 * I was tired of painting. So many collectors bought paintings and locked them in bank vaults. The stained-glass windows allowed me to make public art.... One day a woman stopped me in the street to talk to me about Champ-de-Mars metro station. "Whether it's sunny, rainy, or snowing, I love your stained-glass windows at Champ-de-Mars. Those big dancing shapes always warm my heart." That woman was neither a collector nor an art critic, but she understood the meaning I meant to give that work.
 * Original in French: J'étais dégoûtée de la peinture. Bon nombre de collectionneurs achetaient des tableaux pour les enfermer dans des voûtes de banques. Les verrières m'ont permis de faire de l'art public.... Un jour, une femme m'a abordée dans la rue pour me parler de la station de métro Champ-de-Mars. « Qu'il fasse beau, qu'il pleuve ou qu'il neige, j'adore vos verrières du Champ-de-Mars. Ces grandes formes qui dansent me font chaud au coeur. » Cette femme n'étaient ni une collectionneuse ni une critique d'art, mais elle avait compris le sens que j'avais voulu donner à cette oeuvre.

 * The window I'm proudest of is at the Granby courthouse. … When the building was inaugurated ...the Bishop of Saint-Hyacinthe... told me something that still warms my heart.
 * "Why is the third story so beautiful? Isn't that where people wait to be taken to prison?"
 * "Everyone has the right to see a flower before dying, Your Grace. The flowers shouldn't be grey."
 * "You speak like the Gospels."
 * Original in French:  La verrière dont je suis la plus fière se trouve au palais de justice de Granby. … À l'inauguration de l'édifice... l'évêque de Saint-Hyacinthe... m'a fait un commentaire qui me rechauffe toujours le coeur. Pourquoi le troisième étage est-il si beau? N'est-ce pas là ou se trouvent les gens qui attendent leur transfert en prison? Monseigneur, tout homme a le droit de voir une fleur avant de mourir. Il ne faut pas que les fleurs soient grises. Vous parlez comme les Évangiles.

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Wild, Wild West

The Wild Wild West is an American television series that ran on CBS for four seasons (104 episodes) from September 17, 1965 to April 4, 1969. Developed at a time when the television western was losing ground to the spy genre, this show was conceived by its creator, Michael Garrison, as "James Bond on horseback." It was one of the first television series which could be described as a science fiction Western. In 1999, a feature film directed by Barry Sonnenfeld was released.

The Night of the Whirring Death

 * Artemus: [Pointing to a young lady peddling toys for charity] Since when are you interested in, uh, toys?
 * Jim West: Toys, no. Dolls, yes.

The Night of the Bars of Hell

 * Artemus: [Dressed as a preacher] And now for a little song that I wrote myself, entitled, 'Never Make Friends With the Devil, Brother; His Pitchfork Will Get You in the End.'

The Night of the Simian Terror

 * Artemus: What’s that, another gadget? What happens when you twist that?
 * [Sound of chain being ripped from mortar]
 * Artemus: I see... it comes out of the wall.

The Night of the Eccentrics

 * Artemus: [When organizing a duel] If I may make a suggestion... You're a Count. So why don't you count?

The Night of the Avaricious Actuary

 * Taney: ... The devil!
 * Artemus: No, sir. Secret service.'

The Night of the Feathered Fury

 * Count Manzeppi: In the words of the great....That If you cant beat em... kill them". [Shoots Jim West with a knock-out drug]

The Wild Wild West Revisted

 * Artemus: Every one towered over your father.
 * Migelalo Loveless Jr: ..That was only because he was short.

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Andreas Paolo Perger

Andreas Paolo Perger (born 1970 in Munich, Germany) is a contemporary Austrian guitarist, improviser, and composer of German-Polish and Austrian-Italian descent.

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 * "For me," he explains his mammoth project, "it is an obligation to know and learn to understand the various styles living within the guitar, to work with them and pursue them up to a certain point and, when I feel I have learned enough about them, to let them go again. These CDs are a form of pool, a rucksack with everything I have at the moment and what I have focused on."
 * about a series of 11 CD's, recorded since 1991 until 1999 and published from 1996 until 2000., Süddeutsche Zeitung, August 1997, Ralf Dombrowski.

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Talk:Andrew Jackson

You include in your quotes from Andrew Jackson the following: "Corporations have neither bodies to kick or souls to damn" (as do other selections of Jackson quotes). However, I have never seen anywhere the context in which this statement was made, and it has also been attributed to an 18th century English politician. Of course the fact that somebody else may have used it first would not have prevented Jackson from doing so, but in view of the uncertainty raised by the alternative attribution I would appreciate knowqing where and when Jackson is supposed to have said it.

Den of Vipers
Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States: An interesting bit of history concerning “Old Hickory” is very small booklet (only six pages of text) by Stan V. Henkels, privately printed in an edition of 310 books by his son, Stan V. Henkels, Jr. in 1928. According to this book, around the year 1883, Henkels found the original minutes of the committee of Philadelphia citizens that was sent to Washington in 1834, signed by the members of the committee. A few years later, a reporter from the Evening Telegraph asked him if he had anything new and interesting. Henkels told him about this story and it was printed in the paper under the title “A Relic of St. Andrew”. After seeing the story in the newspaper, Caleb Cope, one of the members of the committee, came by to take a look at the paper. He said, “Stanislaus, I thought those minutes had been destroyed many, many years ago. Yes, that is my signature—and that is Comly's—and Struthers', and all the rest. My, but those were exciting times. Many others beside myself looked upon Andrew Jackson as a tyrant, but Stanislaus, I lived to see the day when I could bend my knee and say ‘God bless Andrew Jackson! It is to his great foresight and wisdom that we owe the admirable banking system that we have today.’”

The paper was sold at auction a few weeks after this incident. It was purchased by a son of the William Struthers who signed the minutes.

The report of the Philadelphia Committee—which does not contain Jackson's colorful language—can be read in Niles' Weekly Register, Vol. XLVI, pp. 8-10, March 1, 1834. An excerpt of the report can also be found—along with reports from the New York and Baltimore committees—in Gales and Seaton's Register of Debates in Congress, Vol. X, Part III, pp. 3074-5.

KHirsch 00:59, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Where does that recount of the story of the original minutes and Henkels' book come from? Is there some published text that tells that story? Are those your words? --JohnDoe0007 02:32, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

 * There's a scan of the booklet here at the Internet Archive. It's also available at a few dozen libraries. I don't think it's been published in any books since then. The story had previously appeared in Publishers Weekly in 1912, but that's not widely available.

 * I don't know if the original document (the committee minutes) still survives. I've searched ArchiveGrid and WorldCat for "Struthers family papers", etc. but haven't found anything promising. It might be worthwhile to contact The Historical Society of Pennsylvania or The Library Company of Philadelphia, who both have collections related to the Bank. —KHirsch 04:51, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

For a more skeptical take on this quote, see this article from John Carney at Business Insider, noting Henkel's involvement in the publication of the dubious “Washington's Prayer Book”. One error in that article is that the Smithsonian had not rejected the manuscript as inauthentic. The Prayer Book was one of many items in a box that the Smithsonian had rejected for exhibition, but they had not made any judgment on its authenticity. As Rubert Hughes said in his 1926 book, George Washington (Vol 1., p. 557), “Rejection of the manuscript neither implies nor excuses any suggestion of fraud in their connection. Sincerity is granted to believers in it. Forgery is not to be considered since a forger would have given at least an imitation of Washington's penmanship. And of this there is no trace.”

I don't find it all surprising that the President's more colorful language would be left out of the final report. In fact, the report says, “In some emphatic expressions his language is accurately preserved, while his numerous repetitions of the same idea in different words, which served unnecessarily to prolong the interview, have been avoided.” I still think it highly likely that the quote is genuine.

I have recently come across a lead on the Struthers Family papers—at least where they were 21 years ago. So perhaps the original document can be found and verified.

—KHirsch 04:27, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Publisher's Weekly version
The edition of Publisher's Weekly containing an earlier version of this quote and story from 1912 is now publicly available online and its version of the quote differs in many respects as do certain details of the story. Broad elements of the story and quote are consistent, but the fact the quotes differ significantly and there are doubts about authenticity mean this should be treated as disputed. Here is the version provided in PW:

Gentlemen, are you through? Well, I too have been looking this matter up. I have been watching you, and I have discovered that you are a den of vipers and thieves; that you have been speculating with the bank's money in the breadstuffs of the country, and when you made a profit you pocketed it, and when you lost you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the charter from the bank I will ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, but that is your sin; but should I let you go on for five years longer you would ruin forty thousand families, and that would be my sin, and by the Eternal Hyman, I am determined to root you out limb and branch, and if possible put you in jail.

Given concerns about Henkels noted by Business Insider, the fact the quote was inconsistently relayed in the two documented instances of it being described, and the fact this all came nearly a century after the comments were allegedly made, I think we should not treat this as a verified quote absent more contemporary accounts or the original alleged document surfacing if it exists. Worth noting there is a political context to its publication in late January 1912, the earliest documentation of the quote known. A Commission had earlier the same month suggested what would become the Federal Reserve, reviving the central banking system Jackson had fought against.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 05:59, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Desperate courage makes One a majority
There is no evidence that Jackson himself said "Desperate courage makes One a majority." If you follow the link to the source you will see that the author James Parton calls the phrase "our motto" (i.e., Parton's motto, not Jackson's). For more information, see the piece by Daniel Feller, Director of the Papers of Andrew Jackson at http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan/26/opinion/oe-feller26 He says "In 1860, author James Parton published a three-volume "Life of Andrew Jackson." Thoroughly researched and vividly written, Parton's book became the standard biography for his generation. Historians consult it to this day. On the title page of each volume, Parton placed the epigraph "Desperate Courage Makes One a Majority." He framed it within quotation marks but not in any way to suggest that Jackson himself had said it. In fact, Parton did not mean it as a compliment, and Jackson, were he alive to see it, certainly would not have taken it as such. Parton did not admire Jackson. He thought him a headstrong ignoramus whose desperate courage overrode other men's good sense."

New quote making the rounds
"If the people only understood the rank injustice of our money and banking systems, there would be a revolution before morning" - Andrew Jackson

Bible is the rock on which the republic rests
"That book [the Bible], Sir, is the Rock upon which our republic rests." I have seen this attributed to Jackson, but haven't seen a citation of a primary source. I will wait a decent time before including this among the "Disputed". TomS TDotO (talk) 15:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

 * Could someone give me some directions about including a disputed quotation. It would be easy to produce a ton of results from Google which repeat this quotation without citation. Is that all that is wanted? TomS TDotO (talk) 16:58, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

 * It would be helpful to cite a source of attribution that is notable or that might reasonably be considered a reliable source. ~ Ningauble (talk) 18:08, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

 * This is quoted in part without citation in [Public Law 97-280]. TomS TDotO (talk) 18:36, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

 * We can't rely on Congress to do research. They often just submit for vote what was submitted to them, particularly on resolutions which technically have no legal effect. They are simply repeating what they heard, it's not a primary source.

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Paracelsus

Paracelsus (11 November or 17 December 1493 - 24 September 1541) was an alchemist, physician, astrologer, and general occultist. Born Phillip von Hohenheim, he later took up the name Philippus Theophrastus Aureolus Bombastus von Hohenheim, and still later used the name Paracelsus.

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 * Destruction perfects that which is good; for the good cannot appear on account of that which conceals it. The good is least good whilst it is thus concealed. The concealment must be removed so that the good may be able freely to appear in its own brightness. For example, the mountain, the sand, the earth, or the stone in which a metal has grown is such a concealment. Each one of the visible metals is a concealment of the other six metals.
 * Hermetic and Alchemical Writings (1894), edited by Arthur Edward Waite; Coelum Philosophorum or Book of Vexations, originally 1543

 * All is interrelated. Heaven and earth, air and water. All are but one thing; not four, not two and not three, but one. Where they are not together, there is only an incomplete piece.
 * Paracelsus - Collected Writings Vol. I (1926) edited by Bernhard Aschner, p. 110

Paracelsus - Doctor of our Time (1992)

 * Paracelsus - Arzt unserer Zeit (1992) by Frank Geerk

 * As you talk, so is your heart.

[Die dritte Defension wegen des Schreibens der neuen Rezepte. In: Septem Defensiones 1538. Werke Bd. 2, Darmstadt 1965, S. 510. zeno.org]
 * All things are poison, and nothing is without poison; but the dose makes it clear that a thing is not a poison.

 * Belief and work, knowledge and action are one and the same thing.

 * Consider that we shouldn’t call our brother a fool, since we don’t know ourselves what we are.

 * God has given to all things their course and decided how high and how far they may go, not higher, not lower.

 * God, our Father, has given us the life and the art of healing to protect and maintain it.

 * He who conquers his enemy with meekness, wins fame.

 * He who wants to govern must have insight into the hearts of men and act accordingly.

 * If you have been given a talent, exercise it freely and happily like the sun: give everyone from your splendour.

 * In us there is the Light of Nature, and that Light is God.

 * Nothing is hidden so much that it wouldn’t be revealed through its fruit.

 * Practice humility at first with man and only then before God. He who despises man, has also no respect for God.

 * The art of medicine has its roots in the heart. If your heart is false, then also the doctor in you is false. If it is fair, then also the doctor is fair.

 * We have Divine Wisdom in the mortal body.Whatever does harm to the body, ruins the House of the Eternal.

 * We should become angels and not devils, that’s why we have been created and born into the world. Therefore be and stick to what God has chosen you for.

 * What else is the help of medicine than love?

 * What maintains the marriage and what is it? Only the knowledge of the hearts, that is its beginning and end.

 * What we should be after death, we have to attain in life, i.e. holiness and bliss. Here on earth the Kingdom of God begins.

 * Who else is the enemy of Nature but he who mistakes himself for more intelligent than Nature, though it is the highest school for all of us?

Quotes about Paracelsus

 * Let us not link ourselves with the vilifiers of Plato and the persecutors of Confucius. They were oppressed by citizens who were considered the pride of the country. Thus has the world raised its hand against the great Servitors. Be assured that the Brotherhood formed by Pythagoras appeared dangerous in the eyes of the city guard. Paracelsus was a target for mockery and malignance. Thomas Vaughan seemed to be an outcast, and few wished to meet with him. Thus was the reign of darkness manifested.
 * Agni Yoga, Brotherhood (1937),  175.

 * Paracelsus. The symbolical name adopted by the greatest Occultist of the middle ages—Philip Bombastes Aureolus Theophrastus von Hohenheim—born in the canton of Zurich in 1493. He was the cleverest physician of his age, and the most renowned for curing almost any illness by the power of talismans prepared by himself. He never had a friend, but was surrounded by enemies, the most bitter of whom were the Churchmen and their party. That he was accused of being in league with the devil stands to reason, nor is it to be wondered at that finally he was murdered by some unknown foe, at the early age of forty-eight. He died at Salzburg, leaving a number of works behind him, which are to this day greatly valued by the Kabbalists and Occultists. Many of his utterances have proved prophetic. He was a clairvoyant of great powers, one of the most learned and erudite philosophers and mystics, and a distinguished Alchemist. Physics is indebted to him for the discovery of nitrogen gas, or Azote.
 * H.P. Blavatsky, The Theosophical Glossary, (1892)

 * Few men have elicited from critics, biographers, and historians more conflicting judgments than Paracelsus. By some, perhaps by most, he is denounced as a quack of the first order; by others, he is regarded as a genius, as a great reformer of medicine; and between the extremes of good and bad are to be found the intermediate estimates of less enthusiastic critics.
 * John Ferguson, Bibliographia Paracelsica. An Examination of Dr. Friedrich Mook's "Theophrastus Paracelsus eine Kritische" (1877) p. 6.
 * New diseases like syphilis seemed to call for new and "stronger" medicines; and this became one of the stock arguments for resort to the Paracelsian chemical pharmacopeia and mystical medical philosophy. With every fundamental of medicine thus called into question, the only logical recourse was to observe results of cures administered in accordance with the old Galenic as against the new Paracelsian theories, and then to choose whichever worked better. The swift development of European medical practice to levels of skill exceeding all other civilized traditions resulted.
 * William Hardy McNeill, Plagues and Peoples (1976)

 * Paracelsus, as much as he magnified himself for his great store of Arcana, and despised others for want of the same Pretensions, yet if we state things a little calmly, we shall find, that he did not so really promote the Honour and Glory of Chymistry, as he vainly boasted, or would have had the World believe... He set upon Reforming Physick, with all the Malice, and Ill-will, with all the hatred and Contempt, that a Beast and a Sot could possibly conceive against Sober men, whose Seriousness and Sobriety was the greatest Reproach, and declaration of Enmity to his dissolute and profligate Life. ...But know bold Wretch [i.e., Paracelsus], their Names [i.e., Galen's, Avicenna's, Rhasis', Montagnana's, Mesue's, &c.] will be Consecrated to after-ages, and had in good Reputation by Wise, and Sober men, when thy Bombastick Names shall perish and be despised, when thy frantick folly, and miserable vanity, and ill-nature, shall with thy Dust be trampled upon by all men.
 * Walter Harris, M.D., Pharmacologia Anti-Emipirica: or a Rational Discourse of Remedies both Chymical and Galenical (1683) London.

 * The vagaries of Paracelsus are notorious, and yet he was far more than a mere quack.
 * Lynn Thorndike, The Place of Magic in the Intellectual History of Europe (1905), Ch. 1, p. 22.

Isis Unveiled (1877)

 * by H. P. Blavatsky, Part One, Science, Ch. 1. A source.

 * More than one pathologist, chemist, homeopathist, and magnetist has quenched his thirst for knowledge in the books of Paracelsus. Frederick Hufeland got his theoretical doctrines on infection from this mediaeval “quack,” as Sprengel delights in calling one who was immeasurably higher than himself. Hemman, who endeavors to vindicate this great philosopher, and nobly tries to redress his slandered memory, speaks of him as the “greatest chemist of his time."  So do Professor Molitor, J and Dr. Ennernoser, the eminent German psychologist. According to their criticisms on the labors of this Hermetist, Paracelsus is the most wondrous intellect of his age,” a “ noble genius.” But our modern lights assume to know better, and the ideas of the Rosicrucians about the elementary spirits, the goblins and the elves, have sunk into the “limbo of magic” and fairy tales for early childhood. (p. 52)

 * Kemshead says in his “ Inorganic Chemistry” that “the element hydrogen was first mentioned in the sixteenth century by Paracelsus, but very little was known of it in any way.” (P. 66.) And why not be fair and confess at once that Paracelsus was the re-discoverer of hydrogen as he was the re-discoverer of the hidden properties of the magnet and animal magnetism ? It is easy to show that according to the strict vows of secrecy taken and faithfully observed by every Rosicrucian (and especially by the alchemist) he kept his knowledge secret. Perhaps it would not prove a very difficult task for Any chemist well versed in the works of Paracelsus to demonstrate that oxygent the discovery of which is credited to Priestley, was known to the Rosicrucian alchemists as well as hydrogen. (footnote p. 52)

 * Theophrastus Paracelsus rediscovered the occult properties of the magnet—“the bone of Horus” which, twelve centuries before his time, had played such an important part in the theurgic mysteries—and he very naturally became the founder  of the school of magnetism and of mediaeval magico-theurgy. But Mesmer, who lived nearly three hundred years after him, and as a disciple of his school brought the magnetic wonders before the public, reaped the glory that was due to the fire-philosopher, while the great master died in a hospital! So goes the world : new discoveries, evolving from old sciences ; new men—the same old nature!  (pp. 71-72)

 * The church of Rome has never been either credulous or cowardly, as is abundantly proved by the Machiavellism which marks her policy. Moreover, she has never troubled herself much about the clever prestidigitateurs whom she knew to be simply adepts in juggling. Robert Houdin, Comte, Hamilton and Bosco, slept secure in their beds, while she persecuted such men as Paracelsus, Cagliostro, and Mesmer, the Hermetic philosophers and mystics—and effectually stopped every genuine manifestation of an occult nature by killing the mediums. (p. 100)
 * Electro-magnetism, the so-called discovery of Professor Oersted, had been used by Paracelsus three centuries before. This may be demonstrated by examining critically his mode of curing disease. Upon his achievements in chemistry there is no need to enlarge, for it is admitted by fair and unprejudiced writers that he was one of the greatest chemists of his time. (Hemmann: "Medico-Surgical Essays," Berl, 1778) Brierre de Boifcmont terms him a "genius" and agrees with Deleuze that he created a new epoch in the history of medicine. The secret of his successful and, as they were called, magic cures lies in his sovereign contempt for the so-called learned “ authorities ” of his age. "Seeking for truth," says Paracelsus, "I considered with myself that if there were no teachers of medicine in this world, how would I set to learn the art? No otherwise than in the great open book of nature, written with the finger of God. ... I am accused and denounced for not having entered in at the right door of art. But which is the right one? Galen, Avicenna, Mesue, Rhasis, or honest nature ? I believe, the last! Through this door I entered, and the light of nature, and no apothecary’s lamp directed me on my way." (p. 164)

 * This utter scorn for established laws and scientific formulas, this aspiration of mortal clay to commingle with the spirit of nature, and look to it alone for health, and help, and the light of truth, was the cause of the inveterate hatred shown by the contemporary pigmies to the fire-philosopher and alchemist. No wonder that he was accused of charlatanry and even drunkenness. Of the latter charge, Hemmann boldly and fearlessly exonerates him, and proves that the foul accusation proceeded from "Oporinus, who lived with him some time in order to learn his secrets, but his object was defeated; hence, the evil reports of his disciples and apothecaries." (Hemmann: “Medico-Surgical Essays,” Berl, 1778) He was the founder of the School of Animal Magnetism and the discoverer of the occult properties of the magnet. (p. 164)

 * He was branded by his age as a sorcerer, because the cures he made were marvellous. Three centuries later, Baron Du Potet was also accused of sorcery and demonolatry by the Church of Rome, and of charlatanry by the  academicians of Europe. As the fire-philosophers say, it is not the chemist who will condescend to look upon the “living fire" otherwise than his colleagues do. "Thou hast forgotten what thy fathers taught thee about it—or rather, thou hast never known... it is too loud for thee!" (Robert Fludd: "Treatise III.")  A work upon magico-spiritual philosophy and occult science would be incomplete without a particular notice of the history of animal magnetism, as it stands since Paracelsus staggered with it the schoolmen of the latter half of the sixteenth century. (p. 165)

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From my user page on Wikipedia: "I'm Joost R. Meerten".

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Your idea about the eliminating the current events page from the navigation menu has been used for now. Thanks for the suggestion. ~ Kalki 13:05, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

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Alfred Denning, Baron Denning

The Right Honourable Alfred Thompson Denning, Baron Denning, OM, PC (23 January 1899 – 5 March 1999), most commonly referred to as Lord Denning, was a British barrister from Hampshire who became Master of the Rolls (the senior civil judge in the Court of Appeal of England and Wales).

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 * As a result of these [trade union] disputes, many innocent persons are injured and many lose work and wages without any fault on their part. The whole community is struck at. It is all very well to talk of the right to strike, but I know of no law which gives any man, or group of men, the right to strike at the community at large. It is nothing more than a claim to the right to inflict suffering on innocent persons in order to achieve their own ends. That is the state of affairs which cannot be tolerated in any civilized community.
 * Speech to the annual conference of the Justices' Clerks Society in Richmond, Surrey (17 June 1955), quoted in The Times (18 June 1955), p. 4

 * Freedom of speech means not only freedom for the views with which you agree but also freedom for the views which you hate and deplore.
 * Defending the Attorney General's decision not to prosecute Enoch Powell for his anti-immigration Eastbourne speech; speech to the Institute of Journalists in London (2 December 1968), quoted in The Times (3 December 1968), p. 3

 * I have always held that a case in a court of justice should be open for all and for newspapers to report.
 * Speech to the Law Society's annual conference in Bristol (24 September 1970), quoted in The Times (25 September 1970), p. 2

 * Our laws are being disregarded right and left. The mobs are out. The police are being subjected to violence. Intimidation and violence are contrary to the law of the land. It should be condemned by every responsible citizen. We have the finest police force in the world. It is under the Queen that they defend our laws, and it is under the Queen that we should support them.
 * Speech to Justice, London (28 June 1977), quoted in The Times (29 June 1977), p. 4

 * The perpetrators of the bombing at the Grand Hotel, Brighton, could be hanged for high treason. ... They are just as guilty as Guy Fawkes was 380 years ago.
 * Speech to a Foyles literary luncheon (17 October 1984), quoted in The Times (18 October 1984), p. 2

 * Fundamental to our constitution is the supremacy of the Queen in Parliament and that our laws should be enacted by Parliament, by its authority in regulations, or indeed by judges in declaring the common law. That is what I understand is meant by the supremacy and sovereignty of the Queen in Parliament. I hope to show you in the course of my observations that that sovereignty is being eroded and that we are coming under another sovereignty—that of Europe and of the Council of Ministers. That is the challenge we face today.
 * Speech in the House of Lords against the Single European Act (31 July 1986)

 * Denning said that while hanging was seen as uncivilized, he believed most people would like to see it restored for the premeditated, deliberate killing carried out by IRA bombers. He believed Parliament would never vote to bring it back.
 * Response to the Remembrance Day bombing (8 November 1987), quoted in The Times (9 November 1987), p. 2

 * The House of Commons starts its proceedings with a prayer. The chaplain looks at the assembled members with their varied intelligence and then prays for the country.
 * Daily Telegraph (12 October 1989)

 * People say I am eccentric and frail. Well, I may be frail in body and hearing, but I hope my state of mind is as alert as ever it was and I am going to speak my mind as freely as I have ever done. I am a common man and I speak for the common people of England and from the letters I receive, the great majority agree with me.
 * Interview (16 August 1990), quoted in The Times (17 August 1990), p. 1

 * Our sovereignty has been taken away by the European Court of Justice...Our courts must no longer enforce our national laws. They must enforce Community law...No longer is European law an incoming tide flowing up the estuaries of England. It is now like a tidal wave bringing down our sea walls and flowing inland over our fields and houses—to the dismay of all.
 * Introduction to The European Court of Justice: Judges or Policy Makers? (London: Bruges Group, 1990)

 * [The European Court of Justice is impudent and] a French court, dominated by continental thinking. The judicial thinking in the European court is entirely contrary to the English system of justice. It was started by the French and the court thinks in continental ideas; the Germans are coming in too. It is dominated by continental thinking.
 * Statement (16 July 1990), quoted in The Times (17 July 1990), p. 4

 * We shouldn't have all these campaigns to get the Birmingham Six released if they'd been hanged. They'd have been forgotten, and the whole community would be satisfied... [On the Guildford Four:] They'd probably have hanged the right men. Not proved against them, that's all.
 * Interview with A. N. Wilson, quoted in A. N. Wilson, 'England, His England', The Spectator (18 August 1990), p. 10

 * Our English Parliament says that Spaniards fish in our waters by quota. The Europeans say that's illegal by their law. It's no longer English waters, if you please ... It's European waters. All can come into your European waters. They've got to reverse an Act of Parliament to do that and I say they have no right whatsoever to do it. They were never given the right by treaty to overrule our sovereignty. That's only done by the courts themselves who are manned by pan-Europeans. Their decisions are all influenced by their ideology. ... It's quite plain that these pan-Europeans do not go by the words of the treaty. That's why I don't think there's much chance of altering things. I'd rather go with John of Gaunt — England, "This land of such dear souls, this dear, dear land,/Dear for her reputation through the world,/Is now leased out, I die pronouncing it,/Like to a tenement or pelting farm". That's what I feel like now. I'm getting old. That's what we are, a tenement of Europe. I die pronouncing it.
 * On the Factortame case; interview with A. N. Wilson, quoted in A. N. Wilson, 'England, His England', The Spectator (18 August 1990), p. 10

Judgments

 * What is the argument on the other side? Only this, that no case has been found in which it has been done before. That argument does not appeal to me in the least. If we never do anything which has not been done before, we shall never get anywhere. The law will stand still whilst the rest of the world goes on; and that will be bad for both.
 * Packer v. Packer [1954] P. 15 at 22.

 * "The poorest man may in his cottage bid defiance to all the forces of the Crown. It may be frail—its roof may shake—the wind may blow through it—the storm may enter—the rain may enter—but the King of England cannot enter—all his force dares not cross the threshold of the ruined tenement." So be it—unless he has justification by law.
 * Southam v Smout [1964] 1 QB 308 at 320.
 * Denning was quoting William Pitt, 1st Earl of Chatham

 * Limitation is not a matter of justice. It is a rule of public policy which has its origin in history and its justification in convenience.
 * The Bramley Moore [1964] P 200 at 220, commenting on the limitation of liability in maritime claims.

 * Old Peter Beswick was a coal merchant in Eccles, Lancashire. He had no business premises. All he had was a lorry, scales, and weights. He used to take the lorry to the yard of the National Coal Board, where he bagged coal and took it round to his customers in the neighbourhood. His nephew, John Joseph Beswick, helped him in his business. In March 1962, old Peter Beswick and his wife were both over 70. He had had his leg amputated and was not in good health. The nephew was anxious to get hold of the business before the old man died. So they went to a solicitor, Mr. Ashcroft, who drew up an agreement for them.
 * Beswick v. Beswick [1966] Ch 538.

 * There are many things in life more worth while than money. One of these things is to be brought up in this our England, which is still "the envy of less happier lands". I do not believe it is for the benefit of children to be uprooted from England and transported to another country simply to avoid tax... Many a child has been ruined by being given too much. The avoidance of tax may be lawful, but it is not yet a virtue.
 * Re Weston's Settlements, [1969] 1 Ch 223.

 * It happened on April 19, 1964. It was bluebell time in Kent.
 * Hinz v. Berry [1970] 2 QB 40 at 42.

 * In June 1970, a big earth-moving machine got stuck in the mud. It sank so far as to be out of sight. It cost much money to get it out. Who is to pay the cost?
 * British Crane Hire Corporation Ltd v. Ipswich Plant Hire Ltd [1970] 1 All ER 1059.

 * Mr Thornton was a freelance trumpeter of the highest quality.
 * Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1971] 2QB 163; 1 All ER 686.

 * The customer pays his money and gets a ticket. He cannot refuse it. He cannot get the money back. He may protest to the machine, even swear at it. But it will remain unmoved.
 * Thornton v Shoe Lane Parking Ltd [1971] 2QB 163; 1 All ER 686.

 * So there was Mr. Jarvis, in the second week, in this hotel with no house party at all, and no one could speak English, except himself. He was very disappointed, too, with the skiing.  [...]  There were no ordinary length skis.  There were only mini-skis about 3 ft. long.  So he did not get his skiing as he wanted to.  [...]  He did not have the nice Swiss cakes which he was hoping for.  The only cakes for tea were potato crisps and little dry nut cakes.  The yodler evening consisted of one man from the locality who came in his working clothes for a little while, and sang four or five songs very quickly.  [...] Mr. Jarvis has only a fortnight's holiday in the year.  He books it far ahead, and looks forward to it all that time.  He ought to be compensated for the loss of it.
 * Jarvis v. Swans Tours Ltd. [1973] Q.B. 233 (C.A).

 * The Treaty [of Rome] does not touch any of the matters which concern solely England and the people in it. These are still governed by English law. They are not affected by the Treaty. But when we come to matters with a European element, the Treaty is like an incoming tide. It flows into the estuaries and up the rivers. It cannot be held back, Parliament has decreed that the Treaty is henceforward to be part of our law. It is equal in force to any statute.
 * H.P. Bulmer Ltd v J. Bollinger SA [1974] Ch 401 at 418.

 * In 1966 there was a Scripture Rally in Trafalgar Square. A widower, Mr. Honick, went to it. He was about 63. A widow, Mrs. Rawnsley, also went. She was about 60. He went up to her and introduced himself. He was not much to look at. "He looked like a tramp," she said. "He has been picking up fag ends." They got on well enough, however, to exchange addresses. His was 36 Queen's Road, Waltham Cross, Hertfordshire. Hers was 74 Downton Avenue, Streatham Hill, London, S.W.2. Next day he went to her house with a gift for her. It was a rose wrapped in a newspaper. Afterwards their friendship grew apace. She was sorry for him, she said. She smartened him up with better clothes. She had him to meals. She went to his house: he went to hers. They wrote to one another in terms of endearment. We were not shown the letters, but counsel described them as love letters.
 * Burgess v. Rawnsley (1975) 30 P. & C.R. 221.

 * To some this may appear to be a small matter, but to Mr. Harry Hook, it is very important. He is a street trader in the Barnsley Market. He has been trading there for some six years without any complaint being made against him; but, nevertheless, he has now been banned from trading in the market for life. All because of a trifling incident. On Wednesday, October 16, 1974, the market was closed at 5:30. So were all the lavatories, or 'toilets' as they are now called. They were locked up. Three quarters of an hour later, at 6:20, Harry Hook had an urgent call of nature. He wanted to relieve himself. He went into a side street near the market and there made water, or 'urinated' as it is now said. No one was about except one or two employees of the council, who were cleaning up. They rebuked him. He said: 'I can do it here if I like'. They reported him to a security officer who came up. The security officer reprimanded Harry Hook. We are not told the words used by the security officer. I expect they were in language which street traders understand. Harry Hook made an appropriate reply. Again, we are not told the actual words, but it is not difficult to guess. I expect it was an emphatic version of 'You be off'. At any rate, the security officer described them as words of abuse. Touchstone would say that the security officer gave the 'reproof valiant' and Harry Hook gave the 'counter-check quarrelsome'; As You Like It, Act V, Scene IV. On Thursday morning the security officer reported the incident. The market manager thought it was a serious matter. So he saw Mr. Hook the next day, Friday, October 18. Mr. Hook admitted it and said he was sorry for what had happened. The market manager was not satisfied to leave it there. He reported the incident to the chairman of the amenity services committee of the Council. He says that the chairman agreed that 'staff should be protected from such abuse'. That very day the market manager wrote a letter to Mr. Hook, banning him from trading in the market.
 * Ex Parte Hook [1976] 1 WLR 1052 at 1055.

 * In summertime village cricket is a delight to everyone. Nearly every village has its own cricket field where the young men play and the old men watch. In the village of Lintz in the County of Durham they have their own ground, where they have played these last 70 years. They tend it well. The wicket area is well rolled and mown. The outfield is kept short. It has a good clubhouse for the players and seats for the onlookers. The village team plays there on Saturdays and Sundays. They belong to a league, competing with the neighbouring villages. On other evenings they practice while the light lasts. Yet now after these 70 years a judge of the High Court has ordered that they must not play anymore. He has issued an injunction to stop them. He has done it at the instance of a newcomer who is no lover of cricket. This newcomer has built, or has had built for him, a house on the edge of the cricket ground which four years ago was a field where cattle grazed. The animals did not mind the cricket, but now this adjoining field has been turned into a housing estate. The newcomer bought one of the houses on the edge of the cricket field. No doubt the open space was a selling point. Now he complains that when a batsman hits a six the ball has been known to land in his garden or on or near his house. His wife has got so upset about it that they always go out at weekends. They do not go into the garden when cricket is being played. They say that this is intolerable. So they asked the judge to stop the cricket being played. And the judge, much against his will, has felt that he must order the cricket to be stopped: with the consequence, I suppose, that the Lintz Cricket Club will disappear. The cricket ground will be turned to some other use. I expect for houses or a factory. The young men will turn to other things instead of cricket. The whole village will be much poorer. And all this because of a newcomer who has just bought a house there next to the cricket ground.
 * Miller v. Jackson [1977] QB 966 at 976.

 * This is a case of a barmaid who was badly bitten by a big dog.
 * Cummings v. Granger [1977] 1 All ER 104 at 106.

 * The statute in section 3(1) contains a definition of a “racial group”. It means a “group of persons defined by reference to colour, race, nationality or ethnic or national origins.” That definition is very carefully framed. Most interesting is that it does not include religion or politics or culture. You can discriminate for or against Roman Catholics as much as you like without being in breach of the law. You can discriminate for or against Communists as much as you please, without being in breach of the law. You can discriminate for or against the “hippies” as much as you like, without being in breach of the law. But you must not discriminate against a man because of his colour or of his race or of his nationality, or of “his ethnic or national origins.” … You must remember that it is perfectly lawful to discriminate against groups of people to whom you object - so long as they are not a racial group. You can discriminate against the Moonies or the Skinheads or any other group which you dislike or to which you take objection. No matter whether your objection to them is reasonable or unreasonable, you can discriminate against them - without being in breach of the law.’}}
 * Denning judged in the Court of Appeal at the time, and held that Sikhs were not a racial or ethnic group.  His ruling was overturned in the House of Lords, notably by Ian Fraser, Baron Fraser of Tullybelton, who outlined seven points by which ethno-religious groups were to be defined.

 * In 1977 the black-out was lifted. It was done by R.S.C., Ord. 53. The curtains were drawn back. The light was let in. Our administrative law became well-organised and comprehensive. It enabled the High Court to review the decisions of all inferior courts and tribunals and to quash them when they went wrong. And what is more, it enabled the High Court to award damages and grant declarations. No longer is it necessary to bring an ordinary action to obtain damages or declarations. It can all be done by judicial review. This new remedy (by judicial review) has made the old remedy (by action at law) superfluous.
 * O'Reilly v. Mackman, [1983] 2 A.C. 238.

 * At one time there was a black-out of any development of administrative law. The curtains were drawn across to prevent the light coming in. The remedy of certiorari was hedged about with all sorts of technical limitations. It did not give a remedy when inferior tribunals went wrong, but only when they went outside their jurisdiction altogether. The black-out started in 1841 with Reg. v. Bolton (1841) 1 Q.B. 66 and became darkest in 1922, Rex v. Nat Bell Liquors Ltd. [1922] 2 A.C. 128. It was not relieved until 1952, Rex v. Northumberland Compensation Appeal Tribunal, Ex parte Shaw [1952] 1 K.B. 338. Whilst the darkness still prevailed, we let in some light by means of a declaration. The most notable cases were Barnard v. National Dock Labour Board [1953] 2 Q.B. 18 and Anisminic Ltd. v. Foreign Compensation Commission [1969] 2 A.C. 147. I sat in the preliminary hearings of both of them. We allowed each of those cases to go forward. It was because otherwise persons would be without a remedy for an injustice: see Barnard v. National Dock Labour Board [1953] 2 Q.B. 18, 43 and the Anisminic case [1969] 2 A.C. 147, 231B-C In effect it was only by leave that the action for a declaration was allowed to proceed.
 * Judicial review.

Quotes about Denning

 * Lord Denning was the best known and best loved judge of this, or perhaps any, generation. He was a legend in his own lifetime.
 * Tom Bingham, quoted in The Guardian (6 March 1999)

 * A St George of the law courts.
 * John Mortimer, quoted in The Sunday Times (2 March 1980), p. 43

 * Our common law owes its strength to the creative genius of judges who, by obeying their own doctrines and principles, have generally proved more competent to untie the knots of human conflict than has Parliament. The greatest recent example of this creative genius – Lord Denning – did not read law at university, and displays in his judgments the broad education and culture which, by helping him to enter imaginatively into the conflict before him, have given substance and direction to his strikingly novel interpretations of the law.
 * Roger Scruton, 'Laying down the law', The Times (20 December 1983), p. 10

 * [Denning is] certainly the most interesting and possibly the most important English judge of the twentieth century.
 * Robert Stevens, Law and Politics: The House of Lords as a Judicial Body, 1800–1976 (Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1979), p. 488

 * Lord Denning was probably the greatest English judge of modern times. He combined a love of liberty with a passion for justice. His life and work will provide inspiration for generations to come.
 * Margaret Thatcher, quoted in The Independent (6 March 1999)

title: Alfred Denning, Baron Denning


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Alan Perlis

Alan Jay Perlis (April 1, 1922 – February 7, 1990) was an American computer scientist known for his pioneering work in programming languages, most notably as a member of the team that developed the ALGOL programming language. He was the first recipient of the prestigious ACM Turing Award.

Quotes

 * I think that it's extraordinarily important that we in computer science keep fun in computing. When it started out, it was an awful lot of fun. Of course, the paying customers got shafted every now and then, and after a while we began to take their complaints seriously. We began to feel as if we really were responsible for the successful, error-free perfect use of these machines. I don't think we are. I think we're responsible for stretching them, setting them off in new directions, and keeping fun in the house. I hope the field of computer science never loses its sense of fun. Above all, I hope we don't become missionaries. Don't feel as if you're Bible salesmen. The world has too many of those already. What you know about computing other people will learn. Don't feel as if the key to successful computing is only in your hands. What's in your hands, I think and hope, is intelligence: the ability to see the machine as more than when you were first led up to it, that you can make it more.
 * Quoted in The Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs by Hal Abelson, Gerald Jay Sussman and Julie Sussman (McGraw-Hill, 2nd edition, 1996).

 * We toast the Lisp programmer who pens his thoughts within nests of parentheses.
 * Quoted in The Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs.

The Synthesis of Algorithmic Systems, 1966
1966 Turing Award lecture, Journal of the ACM 14 (1), January 1967, pp. 1–9.

 * Both knowledge and wisdom extend man's reach. Knowledge led to computers, wisdom to chopsticks.
 * There is an appreciated substance to the phrase "ALGOL-like" which is often used in arguments about programming, languages and computation. ALGOL appears to be a durable model, and even flourishes under surgery — be it explorative, plastic, or amputative.
 * The vision we have of conversational programming takes in much more than rapid turn around time and convenient debugging aids: our most interesting programs are never wrong and never final. [...] What is new is the requirement to make variable in our languages what we had previously taken as fixed. I do not refer to new data classes now, but to variables whose values are programs or parts of programs, syntax or parts of syntax, and regimes of control.
 * This language [LISP] induces humorous arguments among programmers, often being damned and praised for the same feature.
 * Programmers should never be satisfied with languages which permit them to program everything, but to program nothing of interest easily.
 * Computer science is a restless infant and its progress depends as much on shifts in point of view as on the orderly development of our current concepts.

Epigrams on Programming, 1982
ACM SIGPLAN Notices 17 (9), September 1982, pp. 7–13.

 * 1: One man's constant is another man's variable.

 * 3: Syntactic sugar causes cancer of the semi-colons.

 * 8: A programming language is low level when its programs require attention to the irrelevant.

 * 11: If you have a procedure with 10 parameters, you probably missed some.

 * 16: Every program has (at least) two purposes: the one for which it was written and another for which it wasn't.

 * 19: A language that doesn't affect the way you think about programming, is not worth knowing.

 * 31: Simplicity does not precede complexity, but follows it.

 * 39: A picture is worth 10K words - but only those to describe the picture. Hardly any sets of 10K words can be adequately described with pictures.

 * 41: Some programming languages manage to absorb change, but withstand progress.

 * 42: You can measure a programmer's perspective by noting his attitude on the continuing vitality of FORTRAN.

 * 55: LISP programmers know the value of everything and the cost of nothing.

 * 57: It is easier to change the specification to fit the program than vice versa.

 * 58: Fools ignore complexity. Pragmatists suffer it. Some can avoid it. Geniuses remove it.

 * 59: In English every word can be verbed. Would that it were so in our programming languages.

 * 64: Often it is means that justify ends: Goals advance technique and technique survives even when goal structures crumble.

 * 75: The computing field is always in need of new cliches: Banality sooths our nerves.

 * 79: A year spent in artificial intelligence is enough to make one believe in God.

 * 80: Prolonged contact with the computer turns mathematicians into clerks and vice versa.

 * 95: Don't have good ideas if you aren't willing to be responsible for them.

 * 101 Dealing with failure is easy: Work hard to improve. Success is also easy to handle: You've solved the wrong problem. Work hard to improve.

 * 116: You think you know when you learn, are more sure when you can write, even more when you can teach, but certain when you can program.

 * 117: It goes against the grain of modern education to teach children to program. What fun is there to making plans, acquiring discipline in organizing thoughts, devoting attention to detail and, learning to be self-critical?

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Talk:Margaret Thatcher

Bus "failure" quote
A man who, beyond the age of 26, finds himself on a bus can count himself as a failure.

This is almost certainly apocryphal. It has been attributed to Thatcher on numerous occasions, but: ***http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/thatcher.asp 1) There is no definitive source for the quote

2) There is some disagreement on the exact phrasing, and even on the age given (some sources say 30 rather than 26)

3) The quote has been attributed to people other than Thatcher

Basically, I don't buy it. If Thatcher had actually uttered this howler in a public speech, the Labour Party and the likes of the Daily Mirror would have absolutely decimated her. There's absolutely no way something so spectacularly snobbish and offensive would ever have passed without comment. 217.155.20.163 19:41, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Further to the above, here's a Guardian article questioning the veracity of the above quote. 217.155.20.163 20:16, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The Economist on 30 September this year remarked that "Margaret Thatcher is reputed to have said [it] in 1986". However, Mrs Thatcher is unusual in that all her public utterances have been transcribed and put on CD-Rom and I am fairly sure it is not on there. It is always possible that she said it at a private meeting (say, for example, meeting Conservative MPs worried about the policy of bus privatisation). Sometimes the age is set at 30, not 26. However, the fact that many people attribute this to her means it should not be removed from the article. Even Brian Souter, the Stagecoach boss, attributed it to her in 1998 (Times reference available on request). Keep it in the 'attributed' section with a note that it is apocryphal and unverified, and may be made up. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 13:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Further to that, a letter to the Daily Telegraph draws attention to the likely source. Have explained on the page. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 11:19, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

The letter to the Daily Telegraph disputing the attribution to Mrs Thatcher is attributed to Alistair Cooke and dated November 2006 but he died in 2004. Is this an error or is it a different Alistair Cooke? Dudley Miles 14 March 2007.
 * There is an historian with the same name, so maybe it is him.--Johnbull 00:00, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

 * The Alistair Cooke who wrote to the Daily Telegraph sometimes signed himself "Alistair B. Cooke" to make the distinction - he was at the Conservative Research Department for many years and is the party's official historian, IIRC. He is no relation of the American epistolarian. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 00:06, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Or look for the source: Commons debates, 2003-07-02, col 407. Everything said in the two Houses in Parliament is recorded.

The problem with socialism
A quote attributed to Margaret Thatcher goes along the lines of

 * "The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money [to spend]."

or

 * "Eventually, Socialists run out of other peoples' money [to spend]."

There are a number of similar almost-quotes to be found on the Web, but I haven't found any authoritative sources. She may, in fact, have made the statement in various forms at different times. QuicksilverT @ 15:44, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Update: Margaret Thatcher, in a TV interview for Thames TV This Week []on Feb. 5, 1976, Prime Minister Thatcher said, "...and Socialist governments traditionally do make a financial mess. They [socialists] always run out of other people's money. It's quite a characteristic of them."

The quote was also said, multiple times in parliament during question time. TMLutas (talk) 16:31, 6 November 2017 (UTC)

Unsourced

 * These require citations to adequate sources before being placed into the main article.

Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable and precise source for any quote on this list please move it to Margaret Thatcher. --Antiquary 18:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

 * Every Prime Minister needs a Willie.
 * Referring to her Deputy Prime Minister William Whitelaw, and quoted in The Economist.

 * It's a funny old world.
 * Opening remarks to the Cabinet on 22 November 1990, announcing her decision to withdraw from the Conservative leadership contest.

 * Look at a day when you are supremely satisfied at the end. It's not a day when you lounge around doing nothing; it's when you've had everything to do, and you've done it.

 * Of course it's the same old story. Truth usually is the same old story.

 * Of course, people tell me that I shouldn't gloat. Well, I am gloating.
 * On her victory over the Miner's strike.

 * One only gets to the top rung of the ladder by steadily climbing up one at a time, and suddenly all sorts of powers, all sorts of abilities which you thought never belonged to you— suddenly become within your own possibility and you think, "Well, I'll have a go, too."
 * Source: http://www.margaretthatcher.org/document/106517 Speech receiving International Women’s Forum Award - November 15, 1986.

 * People think that at the top there isn't much room. They tend to think of it as an Everest. My message is that there is tons of room at the top.

 * Standing in the middle of the road is very dangerous; you get knocked down by the traffic from both sides.

 * To me, consensus seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects. If you just set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing.

 * To wear your heart on your sleeve isn't a very good plan; you should wear it inside, where it functions best.

 * We were told our campaign wasn't sufficiently slick. We regard that as a compliment.

 * When you've spent half your political life dealing with humdrum issues like the environment, it's exciting to have a real crisis on your hands. (On the Falklands conflict.)

 * You don't tell deliberate lies, but sometimes you have to be evasive.

 * You may have to fight a battle more than once to win it.

 * I think Essex Man will vote for a Conservative Government.
 * (April 1982) <— DEAD LINK with no clear citation to early sourcing — and I can find no reliable attribution of this anywhere at this point — Kalki 2016·10·11

Quotes about Thatcher (unsourced)

 * The Prime Minister, shortly after she came into office, received the sobriquet as the "Iron Lady". It arose in the context of remarks which she made about defence against the Soviet Union and its allies; but there was no reason to suppose that the right hon. Lady did not welcome and, indeed, take pride in that description. In the next week or two in this House, the nation and the right hon. Lady herself will learn of what metal she is made.
 * Enoch Powell to Mrs. Thatcher after the Falkland Islands had been invaded by Argentina (3 April, 1982).
 * Pétain in petticoats.
 * Denis Healey.
 * A pity she did not understand them!
 * Enoch Powell on Mrs Thatcher's adoption of monetarist economic policies.
 * Don’t think of her as a politician. Think of her as a one-woman revolution – a hurricane in human form.
 * Andrew Marr Andrew Marr's History of Modern Britain episode 4: revolution
 * I love it when she became Lady Thatcher because it made her sound like a feminine pubic hair removal device.
 * Jo Brand
 * - This Jo Brand one is from an episode of QI. Can't remember exactly which one though. - Burwellian (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

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Beaten the Germans twice at their national game in the 20th century?
What about the 1990 quote attributed to Mrs. Thatcher, who upon being told that Germany had defeated England at football, or soccer, (which they did, of course) had allegedly replied, "They may have beat us at our national game, but we beat them twice at their national game in the 20th century.? --Matthead 22:03, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

This quote originally appeared, in slightly different form, in an English newspaper on the morning of the 1966 World Cup Final. In this report it is attributed to Vincent Mulchrone of the Daily Mail.

The remark is repeated whenever there is a football match between England and Germany. It is doubtful Margaret Thatcher ever said it in public.

Pigs (Three Different Ones) by Pink Floyd
The second verse of the Pink Floyd song Pigs is not about Margaret Thatcher, as some have suggested, but Mary Whitehouse, the TV campaigner. A simple reading of the lyrics would reveal as much, as the verse starts "Hey you, Whitehouse!"
 * The foregoing comment by 94.169.174.225 (dif) has been moved here from the Quotes about Thatcher section of the article. ~ Ningauble 12:58, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

The third verse is about Whitehouse, the second verse is about Thatcher.

Feminism did nothing
I found claims about Thatcher making a statement regarding feminism from an article by Rachael Marsden:
 * Author Site Text
 * Human Events HTML

It says:
 * "Thatcher herself acknowledged that feminism did nothing for her"

This is clearly paraphrasing if it is based on something Thatcher actually said. I'm not sure about this though, if it is true or not. I have not been able to locate her saying something like 'Feminism did nothing for me' and I am not sure where to begin looking for it.

If she said something like this, I think it would be relevant to include it on the page.

If she did not, should we perhaps include a list of attributed quotes (paraphrased or not) which are not confirmed? Etym (talk) 08:21, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

There is an article in the Spectator where Paul Johnson on 12 March 2011 says:
 * She said to me: ‘The feminists hate me, don’t they? And I don’t blame them. For I hate feminism. It is poison.’

Here is the link:

 * Thanks, I added it here. Cheers, DanielTom (talk) 15:04, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Thatcher quote misattributed to Edward Gibbon
I have seen a quote frequently attributed to Edward Gibbon about freedom and Athens. I mentioned it in more detail on his Talk page: http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Talk:Edward_Gibbon

I'm wondering if it's worth posting the quote here, instead. It came from a lecture Thatcher gave at Hillsdale College in 1994, an edited version of which was published in Hillsdale's Imprimus magazine: http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/file/archives/pdf/1995_03_Imprimis.pdf

Not sure if it counts as something worth putting on her page, since it's really just a paraphrase of Gibbon. But it might be nice to have up there to set the record straight. --19:45, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

 * The "Athens" quote is misattributed to Gibbon, and Thatcher was wrong if she attributed it to him. It's actually a paraphrasing of something written by classicist and educator Edith Hamilton. A nice discussion of the matter is HERE. I agree that the quotation can be attributed to Thatcher, as long as it includes the information that she was misattributing the sense of it to Gibbon when it was really from Hamilton. - Embram (talk) 12:35, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Gratuitous slanders about Thatcher and Reagan – appropriate here?
Is there any limitation on the kinds and sources of "Quotes about Thatcher" that are appropriate for the main page? If there is no limitation, there is also no limit to the amount of hate-filled invective in the "quotations about" section for any well-known controversial person that could end up in Wikiquote. See, for example, the quotation (added this month) comparing Thatcher and Reagan with Adolf Hitler, supposedly from the liner notes of a rock album. Furthermore, the source for this quotation is listed as the liner notes of a rock album published in 2007, but the rock album mentioned is Black Snake Diamond Role, which was actually released in May 1981. - Embram (talk) 06:08, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * There are limitations expressed at Quotability. Yes, public figures are subject to gratuitous invective all the time. Most of it is too banal to be considered quoteworthy. Comparisons with Hitler are ubiquitous: there is nothing remotely original, witty, pithy, wise, eloquent, or poignant about it. Unremarkable remarks like this have no place in a compendium of notable quotations. (This is not about defending Thatcher from her detractors, of whom I am one, it is about defending Wikiquote from banality.) ~ Ningauble (talk) 14:21, 21 June 2015 (UTC)
 * So is it the consensus they may be removed? - Embram (talk) 20:29, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Secretary of State for the "Environment"?
Margaret Thatcher was never Secretary of State for the Environment; that was Peter Walker. She was Secretary of State for Education and named "Maggie Thatcher Milksnatcher," in left-wing circles for removing free milk from poor school children. 98.10.165.90 00:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)

Excessive obscure quotes and pov pushing
These quotes by Praveen  were recently added, the quotes are obscure and only published once in a news blog.

The quote is also in about 10 other wikiquote articles.

Badly sourced, fails WQ:CRITICISM, random quotes from non notable person on random news blog, no quotability, this is a high level article, needs verification and be sourced by a Secondary RS

This is a high level article. This article should have more quotes from books, rather than websites or newspapers, that have timeless quotability.

Biased
No quote about Pinochet, no quote about Mandela, no quote about Pol Pot and all dictators and genocidals she supported? Is there any rule about only adding criticism to socialism in this page? Dornicke (talk) 21:02, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

Move
oppose this would bloat the article 2006toyotacorrola (talk) 10:54, 16 December 2022 (UTC)

title: Talk:Margaret Thatcher


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Daniel Daly

Sergeant Major Daniel Joseph "Dan" Daly (November 11 1873 – April 27 1937) was a United States Marine and one of nineteen U.S. servicemen to have been awarded the Medal of Honor twice. He earned his first Medal of Honor during the Boxer Rebellion in 1900, and the second in Haiti in 1915. Daly and Major General Smedley Butler are the only Marines who earned two Medals of Honor in two separate actions.

Quotes

 * Come on, you sons of bitches, do you want to live forever?
 * Battle cry at the Battle of Belleau Wood, World War I, June 1918
 * Who's Who in Marine Corps History: "Daniel Daly"
 * Compare Frederick the Great: Rogues, would you live forever?

 * I can't see how a single man could spend his time to better advantage than in the Marines.
 * 1919
 * Who's Who in Marine Corps History: "Daniel Daly"

About Daly

 * …the outstanding Marine of all time…
 * Maj. Gen. John A. Lejeune, former Commandant of the Marine Corps
 * Who's Who in Marine Corps History: "Daniel Daly"

 * The fightinest Marine I ever knew.
 * Maj. Gen. Smedley D. Butler
 * Who's Who in Marine Corps History: "Daniel Daly"

 * It was an object lesson to have served with him.
 * Maj. Gen. Butler
 * Who's Who in Marine Corps History: "Daniel Daly"

 * A True Red Blood American Hero
 * Sgt. David M. Perry Jr.

title: Daniel Daly