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Plato/ Socrates
Are there any guidlines for quoting Plato as Socrates himself in his works? Or should these quotes go to the Plato article? --Slac 23:45, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * We have no guideline yet, I think. And in my opinion it is not a good way to quote Plato's hero as "Socrates" ...--Aphaia 00:11, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * As nearly all we have of Socrates comes through Plato's accounts there is little choice but to quote him through Plato's attributions, or those of a few others. The writings of Plato can of course Insert non-formatted text here be quotey often are based on the teachings of Socrates, but indications should be made when he claims to be quoting the statements of others, including Socrates. ~ Kalki 00:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Then should we move the quotes from the Plato article that are attributed to Socrates in his works? --Slac 00:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * They can exist in both places, but ideally with comments regarding the origins in both. Some doubt how accurately Plato reflected some of Socrates statements and ideas, and think he often may have expressed many of his own ideas and attitudes through his portrayals of Socrates, but much of his testimony is generally accepted as accurate and genuine, and there is little definite reason to doubt some of it. There are also of course many variant translations of Plato and others from the ancient Greek that could be used, and when possible the translation used should be cited. ~ Kalki 01:30, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * We also have Xenophon and (the obviously satire) Aristophanes. Plato, Xenophon, and Aristophanes all describe very different versions of Socrates such that I think we should be suspicious of our ability to judge what historical Socrates was like. In addition to this, there is a lot of reason (e.g. the advancement in thought in Plato's work after Socrates' death that is nevertheless communicated via Socrates, that Plato explicitly indicates that he was absent from certain conversations) to suppose that Plato didn't stick to an accurate description of Socrates' thought. -- Anon 7 July 2017
 * OK, that's how I figured it might en deal as long as the everything is neatly explained, cited, and in order. "Noble and orderly," I think is how they would've wanted it. :) --Slac 01:48, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Aphaia, what do you mean by this? --Slac 03:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

not a plato/socrates quote?
what is the citation for the 'education is the kindling of a flame ...' quote? wasn't this yeats, rather than plato? the closest plato comes to anything like this is in Republic 7, at the end of the Cave (518c-d) - education is turning the eye to the light, not putting sight in the eye.
 * I've just looked into this - no sign - and moved it to misattributions. Gordonofcartoon 18:54, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Unsourced quotes listed as sourced
"Could I climb to the highest place in Athens ..." and "Education is the kindling of a flame ..." are listed under Sourced:Plato, but no sources are given. I'm moving these two quotes. --75.15.135.58 05:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced
Moved from article per current practice. Gordonofcartoon 18:53, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

 * “The wise man loves to be corrected.”

 * The secret of happiness, you see, is not found in seeking more, but in developing the capacity to enjoy less.

 * All men's souls are immortal, but the souls of the righteous are immortal and divine.

 * An education obtained with money is worse than no education at all. [This quote is widely attributed to Socrates. For example, as cited (p. 12) by: Sasser, Renee M., "The Perceptions of Teachers in a Rural South Georgia County Regarding Merit Pay Based on Student Achievement" (2011). Electronic Theses & Dissertations. Paper 387. ]

 * An honest man is always a child.

 * As to marriage or celibacy, let a man take the course he will. He will be sure to repent.

 * Be of good cheer about death and know this as a truth — that no evil can happen to a good man, either in life or after death.

 * Be slow to fall into friendship; but when thou art in, continue firm and constant.

 * Beauty is a short-lived tyranny.

 * Beauty is the bait which with delight allures man to enlarge his kind.

 * Beware the barrenness of a busy life.
 * Earliest source found was a 1970 publication called Evangel, though it was not attributed to Socrates there. Earliest source found that attributes it to Socrates was a 1992 book called Coming Back. Hypnosifl (talk) 12:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

 * By all means marry; if you get a good wife, you'll be happy. If you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher.
 * Variant: By all means, marry. If you get a good wife, you'll become happy; if you get a bad one, you'll become a philosopher.

 * Call no man unhappy until he is married.

 * Contentment is natural wealth, luxury is artificial poverty.

 * Could I climb to the highest place in Athens, I would lift my voice and proclaim, "Fellow citizens, why do you turn and scrape every stone to gather wealth, and take so little care of your children to whom one day you must relinquish it all?"

 * Death may be the greatest of all human blessings.

 * Do not do to others what angers you if done to you by others.

 * Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others have labored hard for.
 * Variant: Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings so that you shall come easily by what others have labored hard for.

 * Envy is the ulcer of the soul.

 * Fame is the perfume of heroic deeds.

 * Flattery is like friendship in show, but not in fruit.

 * For who is there but you? Who not only claim to be a good man and a gentleman, for many are this, and yet have not the power of making others good. Whereas you are not only good yourself, but also the cause of goodness in others.

 * Four things belong to a judge: to hear courteously, to answer wisely, to consider soberly, and to decide impartially.

 * From the deepest desires often come the deadliest hate.

 * Get not your friends by bare compliments, but by giving them sensible tokens of your love.

 * He is richest who is content with the least, for content is the wealth of nature.

 * He who is not contented with what he has, would not be contented with what he would like to have.

 * I am the wisest man alive, for I know one thing, and that is that I know nothing.

 * I cannot teach anybody anything, I can only make them think.

Greek philosopher in Athens [469 BC - 399 BC])
 * I decided that it was not wisdom that enabled poets to write their poetry, but a kind of instinct or inspiration, such as you find in seers and prophets who deliver all their sublime messages without knowing in the least what they mean. (Socrates, In "Apology," sct. 21, by Plato.

 * I hold that to need nothing is divine, and the less a man needs the nearer he does approach divinity.

 * I pray Thee, O God, that I may be beautiful within.

 * I was afraid that by observing objects with my eyes and trying to comprehend them with each of my other senses I might blind my soul altogether.

 * I was really too honest a man to be a politician and live.

 * If a man is proud of his wealth, he should not be praised until it is known how he employs it.

 * If all misfortunes were laid in one common heap whence everyone must take an equal portion, most people would be contented to take their own and depart.
 * Variant: If all our misfortunes were laid in one common heap whence everyone must take an equal portion, most people would be contented to take their own and depart.

 * If thou continuest to take delight in idle argumentation, thou mayest be qualified to combat with the sophists, but never know how to love with men.

 * Let him that would move the world first move himself.
 * Probably not real, a google books search for sources from 1700-1905 shows only a few hits, earliest from 1881, but I haven't found any that give a specific origin like a particular dialogue by Plato. Hypnosifl (talk) 12:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

 * May the outward and inward man be at one.

 * My belief is that to have no wants is divine.

 * My friend ... care for your psyche, and ... make it as good as possible. Know thyself, for once we know ourselves, we may learn how to care for ourselves, but otherwise we never shall.
 * Earliest source found with this wording was the 1994 textbook Human Adjustment, p. 3. The first part may be a variant of a statement in The Apology translated here and here as "For I go about doing nothing else than urging you, young and old, not to care for your persons or your property more than for the perfection of your souls", with the book Socrates by W. K. C. Guthrie giving a translation closer to the first sentence above on p. 147: "I go about doing nothing else but urging you, young and old alike, not to care for your bodies or for money sooner than, or as much as, for your psyche, and how to make it as good as you can". As mentioned in the "Misattributed" section of the main page, the phrase "know thyself" is often wrongly attributed to Socrates--it was actually said by ancient authors to be inscribed at the temple of the Oracle of Delphi. But Plato did write another dialogue, Alcibiades, where Socrates quotes it, saying "be persuaded by me, and hear the Delphian inscription, 'Know thyself'", and later Socrates says "And is self-knowledge such an easy thing, and was he to be lightly esteemed who inscribed the text on the temple at Delphi? ... But whether easy or difficult, Alcibiades, still there is no other way; knowing what we are, we shall know how to take care of ourselves, and if we are ignorant we shall not know." Hypnosifl (talk) 23:43, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Not life, but good life, is to be chiefly valued.

 * One who is injured ought not to return the injury, for on no account can it be right to do an injustice; and it is not right to return an injury, or to do evil to any man, however much we have suffered from him.

 * Our prayers should be for blessings in general, for God knows best what is good for us.

 * Philosophy begins with wonder.

 * Regard your good name as the richest jewel you can possibly be possessed of — for credit is like fire; when once you have kindled it you may easily preserve it, but if you once extinguish it, you will find it an arduous task to rekindle it again. The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear.

 * Remember that there is nothing stable in human affairs; therefore avoid undue elation in prosperity, or undue depression in adversity.
 * Variant: Remember, no human condition is ever permanent. Then you will not be overjoyed in good fortune nor too scornful in misfortune.

 * Remember what is unbecoming to do is also unbecoming to speak of.

 * See one promontory, one mountain, one sea, one river and see all.

 * Such as thy words are, such will thy affections be esteemed; and such will thy deeds be as thy affections and such thy life as thy deeds.

 * The fear of death is indeed the pretense of wisdom, and not real wisdom, being a pretense of knowing the unknown . . . and no one knows whether death which men in their fear apprehend to be the greatest evil, may not be the greatest good. . ..

 * The fewer our wants, the nearer we resemble the gods.

 * The greatest way to live with honor in this world is to be what we pretend to be.

 * The nearest way to glory is to strive to be what you wish to be thought to be.

 * The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.

 * The poets are only the interpreters of the Gods.

 * The shortest and surest way to live with honour in the world, is to be in reality what we would appear to be; and if we observe, we shall find, that all human virtues increase and strengthen themselves by the practice of them.

 * The way to gain a good reputation is to endeavor to be what you desire to appear.

 * Think not those faithful who praise all thy words and actions; but those who kindly reprove thy faults.

 * Those who are hardest to love need it the most.
 * Earliest source found was a 2013 book called The Love Mindset: An Unconventional Guide to Healing and Happiness. But earlier variants can be found that aren't attributed to Socrates, like "Those who are most difficult to love often need it the most" on p. 16 of the ''Wisconsin Handbook for Reading Improvement: Section H from 1979. Hypnosifl (talk) 01:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

 * Thou shouldst eat to live; not live to eat.

 * To find yourself, think for yourself.
 * Earliest source found was a 1991 book called Photo Manifesto: Contemporary Photography in the USSR. Hypnosifl (talk) 12:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

 * To need nothing is divine, and the less a man needs the nearer does he approach to divinity.

 * True knowledge exists in knowing that you know nothing.

 * True wisdom comes to each of us when we realize how little we understand about life, ourselves, and the world around us.

 * Upon the score of fore-knowledge and divining I am infinitely inferior to the swans. When they perceive approaching death they sing more merrily than before, because of the joy they have in going to the God they serve.

 * Virtue does not come from wealth, but health, and every other good thing which men have comes from virtue.

 * We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is a habit.

 * We cannot live better than in seeking to become better, nor more agreeably than having a clear conscience.
 * Earliest source found was an 1872 book called Treasury of Thought: Forming an Encyclopædia of Quotations from Ancient and Modern Authors.

 * What a lot of things there are a man can do without.

 * What you cannot enforce, do not command.

 * Wind buffs up empty bladders; opinion, fools.

 * Wisdom begins in wonder.

Original Ancient Greek
Can we get the original, pre-translation Ancient Greek here, where possible? For example, part of the quotation from 354b in The Republic is ἕν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα (hen oida hoti ouden oida, "I know one thing, that I know nothing"). Doremítzwr 15:00, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

 * I don't believe it should be a goal to have all foreign quotes on all pages rendered in such ways, since there are now multiple language wikiquote projects, but placing some quotes in the original language is entirely acceptable here, and especially encouraged when they are short and very significant ones such as this. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 16:04, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

 * How should it be added? I am unfamiliar with Wikiquote's formatting standards &c. Doremítzwr 15:48, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

"As for me, all I know is that I know nothing"
I don't think this is Rep. 354b, but rather 354c. Also, the original reads "μοι νυνι γεγομεν εκ του διαλογου μηδεν ειδεναι", which, roughly translated, means as much as "I didn't learn anything during this talk".

 * Whatever the un-cited source of this translation is, it does not appear to be in GoogleBooks. Grube (1974) translates it as "... the result of our discussion for me is that I know nothing." Jowett (1871) translates it as "... the result of the whole discussion has been that I know nothing at all." Reading the paragraph of 354b-c in any good translation, it is clear that Plato's intent in concluding Book I thusly is to say that the foregoing has raised the question of Justice and dispensed with some misconceptions about it, but has not yet gotten to the root of what Justice is. (In Grube's translation, Book II begins "... this was only a prelude.") The Wikipedia article about "I know that I know nothing" lists other "origins" that also do not say the same thing, but treats them as if they do. Priscilla Sakezles, in "Socratic Skepticism,", eSkeptic (25 June 2008) identifies still more false origins, and discusses why this misrepresents  Socrates. A commenter at that column aptly notes, "as always, context is everything." Taking the clause out of context and universalizing it (with boldface!) misleads the reader about Socrates' epistemological stance. (As with a similar statement attributed by Diogenes Laertius.) Socrates' brand of skepticism is all about questioning assumptions and, arguably, denying the validity of certain absolutes. It has nothing to do with denying the possibility of knowledge. ~ Ningauble 00:36, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

"Man must rise above the Earth—to the top of the atmosphere and beyond—for only thus will he fully understand the world in which he lives"
This quote appears in the Plato's Dialogue, Phaedo, around 109e. The Greek text is: τὸ δὲ εἶναι ταὐτόν, ὑπ᾽ ἀσθενείας καὶ βραδυτῆτος οὐχ οἵους τε εἶναι ἡμᾶς διεξελθεῖν ἐπ᾽ ἔσχατον τὸν ἀέρα: ἐπεί, εἴ τις αὐτοῦ ἐπ᾽ ἄκρα ἔλθοι ἢ πτηνὸς γενόμενος ἀνάπτοιτο, κατιδεῖν ἂν ἀνακύψαντα, ὥσπερ ἐνθάδε οἱ ἐκ τῆς θαλάττης ἰχθύες ἀνακύπτοντες ὁρῶσι τὰ ἐνθάδε, οὕτως ἄν τινα καὶ τὰ ἐκεῖ κατιδεῖν, καὶ εἰ ἡ φύσις ἱκανὴ εἴη ἀνασχέσθαι θεωροῦσα, γνῶναι ἂν ὅτι ἐκεῖνός ἐστιν ὁ ἀληθῶς οὐρανὸς καὶ τὸ ἀληθινὸν φῶς. A translation can be found by referencing the Perseus project.

This seems to be fairly uniformly attributed to Socrates, and is usually quoted by aviation enthusiasts or space exploration advocates. I had my doubts about its authenticity because I wasn't sure Socrates would have had a concept of 'the top the atmosphere' as such, but I have seen variants where 'the clouds' replaces 'the atmosphere'. The earliest example I can find of it is from a 1982 book "Shuttle" by David C. Onley. Can anyone shed any light on this quote? HisRuntyDogma (talk) 02:23, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

 * A little earlier. It appears in an issue of 'Designer' magazine (UK) 1977. HisRuntyDogma (talk) 09:16, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
 * There's something vaguely similar to this in Aristophanes' The Clouds. No obvious ancient source though, and unlikely to be correct in the form above due to anachronistic ideas. -- User: Tryst  (talk to me!) 09:30, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

An exact translation from greek is: "... because of our weakness and slowness we are unable to cross and reach the edge of air (atmosphere). Because if someone reaches its edge or gain wings and fly, he will raise up his head and see, in a way that the fish down here pull up their heads above the sea and see the world around them, shall see the things up there. And if his hold is firm and continues to watch he may perceive that that is the real sky, the real light and the real earth. Our earth down here and the stones and all the places are in decay and is eroded, as those that are inside the sea from the salt..."

Envy quotation

 * Τοῖς μὲν διὰ τοῦ ἡλίου πορενομένοις ἕπεται κατ' ἀνάγκην σκιὰ, τοῖς δὲ διὰ δόξης βαδίζουσιν ἀκολουθεῖ φθόνος
 * As those who walk in the sun are of necessity followed by their shadow, so also those who tread the paths of fame are pursued by envy.
 * Potentially from Strobaeus Florilegium XXXVIII. 34

IOHANNVSVERVS (talk) 16:28, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Plutarch ???
Under Quotes about Socrates we have the following remark attributed to Plutarch, which contains references to medieval Popes which Plutarch cannot possibly have made. If the reference is to some book ABOUT Plutarch, this should be made clear. Please clean up the attribution.

The accusations of atheism, the introducing of foreign deities, and corrupting of the Athenian youth, which were made against Socrates, afforded ample justification for Plato to conceal the arcane preaching of his doctrines. Doubtless the peculiar diction or 'jargon' of the alchemists was employed for a like purpose. The dungeon, the rack, and the fagot were employed without scruple by Christians of every shade, the Roman Catholics especially, against all who taught even natural science contrary to the theories entertained by the Church. Pope Gregory the Great even inhibited the grammatical use of Latin as heathenish. The offense of Socrates consisted in unfolding to his disciples the arcane doctrine concerning the gods, which was taught in the Mysteries and was a capital crime. He also was charged by Aristophanes with introducing the new god Dinos into the republic as the demiurgos or artificer, and the lord of the solar universe. The Heliocentric system was also a doctrine of the Mysteries; and hence, when Aristarchus the Pythagorean taught it openly, Cleanthes declared that the Greeks ought to have called him to account and condemned him for blasphemy against the gods," — ("Plutarch"). But Socrates had never been initiated, and hence divulged nothing which had ever been imparted to him. Plutarch quoted by H.P. Blavatsky, in Isis Unveiled: A Master-Key to the Mysteries of Ancient and Modern Science and Theology, Vol. I, Before the Veil, (1877)

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--Aphaia 00:11, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Standard summary field when fixing Spam Vandals?

 * Hey, Jeffq. That was cool how we both went after that spam vandal (and pretty funny that you just blocked yourself). But, I have a question. Is there a shortcut to automatically format the summary field like (Reverted edit of Bjgyg, changed back to last version by 4.242.192.117) or do you type it out manually? --Slac 05:05, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Ismail Merchant

Ismail Merchant (born Ismail Noor Muhammad Abdul Rahman; 25 December 1936 – 25 May 2005) was an Indian-born film producer; co-founder of Merchant Ivory Productions.

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 * It should be a good story— speak about a time and place that is permanent. It should capture something wonderful with some great characters whether it's set in the past or in the future.
 * On the making of good films. Interview with the Associated Press (2004).

 * When we first began, Ruth told us she had never written a screenplay. That was not a problem since I had never produced a feature film and Jim had never directed one.
 * On the beginning of his long collaboration with novelist and screenwriter Ruth Prawer Jhabvala. Interview with the Associated Press (2004).

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Amory Lovins

Amory Lovins (born November 13, 1947) is an American physicist, environmental scientist, writer, and Chairman/Chief Scientist of the Rocky Mountain Institute.

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 * Facts are more mundane than fantasies, but a better basis for conclusions.
 * Salon.com, 05/26/05

 * If you ask me, it'd be little short of disastrous for us to discover a source of clean, cheap, abundant energy because of what we would do with it.
 * (1977)

 * ...new nuclear plants are simply unfinanceable in the private capital market, and the technology will continue to die of an incurable attack of market forces—all the faster in competitive markets. This is true not just in the U.S., where the last order was in 1978 and all orders since 1973 were cancelled, but globally.
 * Winning the Oil Endgame, p. 258

 * There are two kinds of micropower. One is co-gen and combined heat and power. That was about two-thirds of the new capacity and three-quarters of the new electricity last year. The rest was distributed or decentralized renewables, which was a $38 billion U.S. global market last year for selling equipment. That's wind, solar, geothermal, small hydro and biomass.... Micropower surpassed nuclear power in worldwide installed capacity in 2002, and surpassed nuclear in electricity generated per year just in the last few months.
 * An interview with Amory Lovins re: Nuclear Power

 * A widely heralded view holds that nuclear power is experiencing a dramatic worldwide revival and vibrant growth, because it’s competitive, necessary, reliable, secure, and vital for fuel security and climate protection. That’s all false. In fact, nuclear power is continuing its decades-long collapse in the global marketplace because it’s grossly uncompetitive, unneeded, and obsolete—so hopelessly uneconomic that one needn’t debate whether it’s clean and safe; it weakens electric reliability and national security; and it worsens climate change compared with devoting the same money and time to more effective options.
 * The Nuclear Illusion p. 1. (May 2008)

 * Variable but forecastable renewables (wind and solar cells) are very reliable when integrated with each other, existing supplies and demand. For example, three German states were more than 30 percent wind-powered in 2007—and more than 100 percent in some months. Mostly renewable power generally needs less backup than utilities already bought to combat big coal and nuclear plants' intermittence.
 * Missing the Market Meltdown (May 2008)

 * When asked if we have enough time to prevent catastrophe, she'd always say that we have exactly enough time -- starting now
 * Amory Lovins' eulogy for Donella Meadows

 * The markets make a good servant but a bad master, and a worse religion

 * Fire made us human, fossil fuels made us modern, but now we need a new fire that make us safe,healthy, and durable. 2006-5-12

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Waste

Waste (or wastes) are unwanted or unusable materials. Waste is any substance which is discarded after primary use, or is worthless, defective and of no use. A by-product by contrast is a joint product of relatively minor economic value. A waste product may become a by-product, joint product or resource through an invention that raises a waste product's value above zero.

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 * Don't waste the Earth - It is our Jewel!
 * Buzz Aldrin, 2012, quote from interview video at 1:28, https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=6&v=E3W7eVkWSs4

 * There must be a reason why some people can afford to live well. They must have worked for it. I only feel angry when I see waste. When I see people throwing away things we could use.
 * Mother Teresa (1910–1997), A Gift for God, 1975.

 * The ocean is tired. It's throwing back at us what we're throwing in there.
 * Frank Lautenberg, US Senator, on cases of dumped waste washing ashore at beaches, quoted in USA Today, 11 August 1988.

 * Source Reduction is to garbage what preventive medicine is to health.
 * William Rathje, Atlantic Monthly, December 1989.

 * To waste, to destroy our natural resources, to skin and exhaust the land instead of using it so as to increase its usefulness, will result in undermining in the days of our children the very prosperity which we ought by right to hand down to them amplified and developed.
 * Theodore Roosevelt, Seventh Annual Message, December 3, 1907.

 * Man is a wasting animal. From the layer upon layer of ash, bone and rubbish, with here a lost flint knife and there a needle polished and rubbed into shape from a splinter of bone and left on the floor of a British cave, through the piles of refuse of the city of Ur of the Chaldees to modern man, the archaeologist tells us what we were and how we lived by what we threw away.
 * J. C. Wylie, The Wastes of Civilization (Faber and Faber, 1959), p. 9.

Attributed

 * Haste makes waste. ~ English proverb

 * Waste not, want not. ~ English proverb

 * Life is waste..if not properly utilized.

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NewsRadio

 * Seasons: 1 2 3 4 5 | Main

NewsRadio is an American sitcom, originally broadcast from 1995 to 1999 by NBC.

Seasons

 * Season 1
 * Season 2
 * Season 3
 * Season 4
 * Season 5

Cast

 * Dave Nelson - Dave Foley
 * Jimmy James - Stephen Root
 * Matthew Brock - Andy Dick
 * Lisa Miller - Maura Tierney
 * Beth - Vicki Lewis
 * Joe Garelli - Joe Rogan
 * Catherine Duke - Khandi Alexander
 * Bill McNeal - Phil Hartman
 * Max Lewis - Jon Lovitz

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Louis Antoine de Saint-Just

Antoine Louis Léon de Richebourg de Saint-Just (25 August 1767 – 28 July 1794) was a military and political leader during the French Revolution. The youngest of the deputies elected to the National Convention in 1792, Saint-Just rose quickly in their ranks and became a major leader of the government of the French First Republic. He spearheaded the movement to execute King Louis XVI and later drafted the radical French Constitution of 1793. He became a close friend of Maximilien Robespierre, and served with him as one of the commissioners of the powerful Committee of Public Safety.

Quotes

 * You who make the laws, the vices and the virtues of the people will be your work.
 * (Autumn 1792) [Source: Oeuvres Complètes de Saint-Just, vol. 1 (2 vols., Paris, 1908), p. 380]

 * When a people, having become free, establish wise laws, their revolution is complete.
 * (Autumn 1792) [Source: Oeuvres Complètes de Saint-Just, vol. 1 (2 vols., Paris, 1908), p. 264]

 * Peace and prosperity, public virtue, victory, everything is in the vigor of the laws. Outside of the laws everything is sterile and dead.
 * (Autumn 1792) [Source: Oeuvres Complètes de Saint-Just, vol. 1 (2 vols., Paris, 1908), p. 419]

 * Every political edict which is not based upon nature is wrong.
 * (Autumn 1792) [Source: Oeuvres Complètes de Saint-Just, vol. 1 (2 vols., Paris, 1908), p. 306]

 * One cannot reign innocently: the insanity of doing so is evident. Every king is a rebel and a usurper.
 * On ne peut point régner innocemment : la folie en est trop évidente. Tout roi est un rebelle et un usurpateur.
 * Sur le jugement de Louis XVI (1er discours), speech to the National Convention (November 13, 1792).

 * It is time that we labored for the happiness of the people. Legislators who are to bring light and order into the world must pursue their course with inexorable tread, fearless and unswerving as the sun.
 * Travaillons enfin pour le bonheur du peuple, et que les legislateurs qui doivent éclairer le monde prennent leur course d'un pied hardi, comme le soleil.
 * Speech to the National Convention (December 27, 1792). [Source: Oeuvres Complètes de Saint-Just, Vol. 1 (2 vols., Paris, 1908), p. 383]

 * Those who make revolutions by halves do nothing but dig their own tombs.
 * (January 1793) [Source: Oeuvres Complètes de Saint-Just, vol. 1 (2 vols., Paris, 1908), p. 414]

 * I have not found a single good man in government; I have found good only in the people.
 * On declaring the Minister of War, Charles François Dumouriez, a traitor (March 1793). [Source: David William Bates, Enlightenment aberrations: error and revolution in France (Cornell University Press, 2002), p. 169]

 * It has always seemed to me that the social order was implicit in the very nature of things, and required nothing more from the human spirit than care in arranging the various elements; that a people could be governed without being made thralls or libertines or victims thereby; that man was born for peace and liberty, and became miserable and cruel only through the action of insidious and oppressive laws. And I believe therefore that if man be given laws which harmonize with the dictates of nature and of his heart he will cease to be unhappy and corrupt.
 * J’ai pensé que l’ordre social était dans la nature même des choses, et n’empruntait de l’esprit humain que le soin d’en mettre à leur place les éléments divers; qu’un peuple pouvait être gouverné sans être assujetti, sans être licencieux, et sans être opprimé; que l’homme naissait pour la paix et pour la liberté, et n’était malheureux et corrompu que par les lois insidieuses de la domination. Alors j’imaginai que si l’on donnait à l’homme des lois selon la nature et son cœur, il cesserait d’être malheureux et corrompu.
 * Discours sur la Constitution à donner à la France, speech to the National Convention (April 24, 1793).

 * Most arts have produced miracles, while the art of government has produced nothing but monsters.
 * Tous les arts ont produit des merveilles: l'art de gouverner n'a produit que des monstres.
 * Discours sur la Constitution à donner à la France, speech to the National Convention (April 24, 1793).

 * The legislator commands the future; to be feeble will avail him nothing: it is for him to will what is good and to perpetuate it; to make man what he desires to be: for the laws, working upon the social body, which is inert in itself, can produce either virtue or crime, civilized customs or savagery.
 * Le législateur commande à l’avenir; il ne lui sert de rien d’être faible: c’est à lui de vouloir le bien et de le perpétuer; c’est à lui de rendre les hommes ce qu’il veut qu’ils soient: selon que les lois animent le corps social, inerte par lui-même, il en résulte les vertus ou les crimes, les bonnes mœurs ou la férocité.
 * Discours sur la Constitution à donner à la France, speech to the National Convention (April 24, 1793).

 * In the circumstances in which the Republic finds itself, the constitution cannot be inaugurated; it would destroy itself ... The provisional government of France is revolutionary until there is peace.
 * (October 10, 1793) [Source: Oeuvres Complètes de Saint-Just, vol. 2 (2 vols., Paris, 1908), pp. 83-88]

 * A nation regenerates itself only upon heaps of corpses.
 * Saint-Just quoting Mirabeau before members of the Committee of Public Safety, October 17, 1793. [Source: Saint-Just quoted in Eugene N. Curtis, Saint-Just: Colleague of Robespierre (New York: Octagon Books, 1973), p. 236]

 * Insurrection is the exclusive right of the people and of the citizen. Every foreigner, every man clothed with public authority, is outlawed if he proposes it and must be put to death as a usurper of sovereignty and as interested in fomenting troubles for the purpose of doing evil or of adorning himself. Insurrections taking place under a despotism are always salutary. Those which break out in a free state are sometimes dangerous for liberty itself, because the revolt usurps its sublime pretexts and its sacred name. Revolts in free states leave long and painful wounds which bleed a whole century.
 * (1794) [Source: Saint-Just, Fragments sur les institutions républicaines]

 * I despise the dust that forms me and speaks to you. This dust you may persecute and kill, but I defy you to rob me of that independent life I have given myself down through the ages and in the heavens....
 * Je méprise la poussière qui me compose et qui vous parle ; on pourra la persécuter et faire mourir cette poussière ! mais je défie que l’on m’arrache cette vie indépendante que je me suis donnée dans les siècles et dans les cieux...
 * Fragment 1 Préambule (1794). [Source: Saint-Just, Fragments sur les institutions républicaines]

 * The Revolution is frozen; all its principles are weakened; there remains only red caps worn by intriguers. The exercise of terror has made crime blasé, as strong liquors made the palace blasé.
 * Fragment 3 (1794). [Source: Saint-Just, Fragments sur les institutions républicaines]

 * What produces the general good is always terrible or seems bizarre when begun too soon ... The Revolution must stop itself at the perfection of public happiness and liberty through the laws.
 * Fragment 3 (1794). [Source: Saint-Just, Fragments sur les institutions républicaines]

 * When human statecraft attaches a chain to the feet of a free man, whom it makes a slave in contempt of nature and citizenship, eternal justice rivets the other end about the tyrant's neck.
 * Fragment 3 (1794). [Source: Saint-Just, Fragments sur les institutions républicaines]

 * The French people recognize the Supreme Being and the immortality of the soul. The first day of every month is to be dedicated to the eternal.
 * Fragment 10 (1794). [Source: Saint-Just, Fragments sur les institutions républicaines]

 * In every Revolution a dictator is needed to save the state by force, or censors to save it by virtue.
 * Fragment 13 (1794). [Source: Saint-Just, Fragments sur les institutions républicaines]

 * Citizens, by what illusion could one persuade himself that you are inhuman. Your Revolutionary Tribunal has condemned three hundred rascals to death in a year. Has not the Spanish Inquisition done worse than that ... Have the English assizes butchered no one in that period? ... What of the kings of Europe, does anyone prate to them of pity? Ah, do not allow yourselves to grow soft-hearted!
 * Speech to the National Convention (February 26, 1794). [Source: Charles Vellay (ed.), Oeuvres Complètes de Saint-Just, Vol. 2 (2 vols., Paris, 1908), pp. 236-237]

 * Dare! — this word contains all the politics of our revolution.
 * Osez! — ce mot renferme toute la politique de notre révolution.
 * Speech to the National Convention (February 26, 1794); though widely published in the above form, this has sometimes been misquoted in some recent publications as: Osez! — ce mot renferme toute la politique de votre révolution. [Dare! — this word contains all the politics of your revolution.]

 * Happiness is a new idea in Europe.
 * Le bonheur est une idée neuve en Europe.
 * Sur le mode d'exécution du décret contre les ennemis de la Révolution, speech to the National Convention (March 3, 1794).

 * Let Revolutionists be Romans, not Tatars.
 * Speech to the National Convention (March 17, 1794). [Source: Saint-Just quoted in Eugene N. Curtis, Saint-Just: Colleague of Robespierre (New York: Octagon Books, 1973), p. 228]

 * It is not enough, citizens, to have destroyed the factions, it is necessary now to repair the evil that they have done to the country.
 * Speech to the National Convention (April 15, 1794). [Source: Oeuvres Complètes de Saint-Just, Vol. 2 (2 vols., Paris, 1908), p. 367]

 * I am not of any faction, I will fight them all.
 * Je ne suis d'aucune faction, je les combattrai toutes.
 * Discours pour la défense de [[Maximilien Robespierre|Robespierre]], speech to the National Convention (July 27, 1794).

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Talk:Charles Evans Hughes

Another frequently attributed to Hughes:- "A man has to live with himself, and he should see to it that he always has good company."

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Talk:Abraham Maslow

I am looking for the exact wording of an Abraham Maslow quote that goes something like:

- After a lifetime of working as a psychotherapist, the only happy adults I know are those who belive that the work they are doing is meaningful. -

Anyone know the exact wording?

Thanks.

Did Maslow Say This?
A common quote attributed to Maslow is "We are not in a position in which we have nothing to work with. We already have capacities, talents, direction, missions, callings." Did he say it? It seems rather facile, one could easily retort "yeah, what's your point? We also have our abandonments, aggressions, burnouts, ignorances, passivities, inabilities, apprehensions, occupations, indolences, abstractions, fatigues, indifferences, habits, weaknesses...."

Unsourced

 * Published sources should be provided before moving these back into the article

 * Victory depends on whether or not a duelist has the courage to fight until the bitter end.

Wrong assignment?!
''A musician must make music, an artist must paint, a poet must write, if he is to be ultimately at peace with himself. What a man can be, he must be. This need we may call self-actualization. This term, first coined by Kurt Goldstein, is being used in this paper in a much more specific and limited fashion. It refers to the desire for self-fulfillment, namely, to the tendency for him to become actualized in what he is potentially. This tendency might be phrased as the desire to become more and more what one is, to become everything that one is capable of becoming.'' As is says, this is from Maslow's paper in 1943. I don't know if it's also printed in his later textbook. But the origin is early. regards, --WissensDürster (talk) 11:06, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

What is the tree of life doing on this page?
The picture of the Jewish tree of life diagram does not seem relevant to the content of the page. I recommend that it be removed. 67.135.50.5 17:30, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

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Indigo Girls

The Indigo Girls are the American folk-rock duo of Amy Ray and Emily Saliers. They got their start as part of the Athens, Georgia alternative rock scene that included The B-52's, Pylon, R.E.M., the Georgia Satellites, and Love Tractor.

Lyrics

 * Mercenaries of the shrine, who are you to speak for God? With haughty eyes and lying tongues and hands that shed innocent blood. Who delivered you the power to interpret Calvary? You gamble away our freedom to gain your own authority.
 * "Strange Fire" from Strange Fire (1987)
 * I went to see a doctor of philosophy With a poster of Rasputin and a beard down to his knees. He never did marry or see a B-grade movie. He graded my performance, he said he could see through me. I spent four years prostrate to the higher mind, got my paper And I was free.
 * "Closer to Fine", from Indigo Girls (1989)
 * Every five years or so I look back on my life and I have a good laugh.
 * "Watershed" from Nomads Indians Saints (1990)
 * I offer thanks to those before me. That's all I've got to say. 'Cause maybe you squandered big bucks in your lifetime Now I have to pay.
 * "Galileo" from Rites of Passage (1992)
 * The Mississippi's mighty But it starts in Minnesota At a place that you could walk across with five steps down.
 * "Ghost" from Rites of Passage (1992)

 * Galileo's head was on the block... The crime was looking up for truth... And then you had to bring up reincarnation... How long 'til my soul gets it right... Can any human being ever reach that kind of light... I call on the resting soul of Galileo... King of night vision, king of insight... I'm not making a joke, you know me...I take everything so seriously... If we wait for the time 'til all souls get it right... Then at least I know there'll be no nuclear annihilation... Can any human being ever reach the highest light... Except for Galileo — God rest his soul... Except for the resting soul of Galileo...
 * Emily Saliers in “Galileo” (lead single of the Indigo Girls fourth album, a minor crossover pop hit in the US in August 1992, Genius (12 May 1992)

 * I squeeze the sky out but there’s not a star appears
 * "Language or The Kiss" from Swamp Ophelia (1994)
 * They stole my land They won't steal my soul
 * "Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee", from 1200 Curfews (1995)
 * They said "We've been looking for illegal immigrants, Can we check your car?" I said "You know it's funny, I think we were on the same boat back in 1694."
 * "Shame on You" from Shaming of the Sun (1997)
 * We're sculpted from youth, the chipping away makes me weary
 * "Deconstruction" from Become You (2002)
 * Come on, the summer's coming. Rain's been heavy and the river's running. Loose the cuff It's been tough, But it's fast improving. We got sticks to hollow piles. We got stories- lead to smiles We gotta twirl With this world, I can feel it moving.
 * "Rise Up" from All That We Let In (2004)
 * I don't know what to believe I just show up and breathe Anymore
 * "Lay My Head Down" from Despite Our Differences (2006)

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Talk:Rob Malda

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Marjaneh Bakhtiari

Marjaneh Bakhtiari (born 1980 in Tehran - Iran) is an Iranian author living in Sweden.

Quotes

 * You truly are an extraordinary man, Mr Sandeen. Nobody I know counts weeks. That is absolutely marvelous.
 * Kalla det vad fan du vill, Finland 2005, p. 85

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Talk:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

Title
This page should be moved to "Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic". The 'old' should be capitalized. --Maru

 * Done. Taral 17:52, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

fixing up
horrible formatting, someone fix these
 * Here's my take on the nicer formatting - feel free to alter... QuantumEleven 13:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)
 * I tried to fix things up some here. Added catagories to the KotOR I section, and deleted some of the irrelevant/meaningless dialogue... can't imagine who thought it should go there in the first place. I tried to make sure that thing were in order of either significance or catagory with the most submissions. Sorry for all the consecutive edits, but I found it easier to do that way. Added some HK dialogue too. :) Hope everybody likes it! (Also, I made edits here as 71.114.78.115 before I got an account.) Darth Anomalous 06:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes Traya is in kotor so it might as well be mashed in their

One way that we could make it better (at least in my opinion) is if we were to separate Kotor and Kotor 2 into two different sections not only would it help with some of the formatting problems but it would make it a little bit easier to view information on just KOTOR or KOTOR 2

Spoilers
Can't it be changed to PC instead of "Revan" all the time? If not, there should be spoiler warnings.
 * No. See the relevant policies on spoilers, or wikipedia's one gz 33 (talk) 06:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Overhaul/Cleanup/Quasi-Merge
I've spent the past hour or so giving this travesty of an article some much needed love and care. I've trimmed a good number of the superfluous quotes, as well as added a few of the more pertinent. It's significantly smaller now, and it's easier to read/navigate, as well. I'm going to be bold here and remove both the long-lived cleanup tag, but I'll leave the Merge tag for now - though, for all intents and purposes, I've merged the Darth Traya article into this one. Ahmahl Kotay 19:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Forgive me if I'm uninformed (it's highly likely) but it seems like there could be so many good quotes on this page. HK-47 alone is a goldmine of humour. I don't know what it looked like before but in any case, is there some guideline that directs what /kind/ of quote should be on pages like this? I mean theoretically I could add every bit of dialogue in the game. What's the middle ground? Drazhir (talk) 17:15, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

Comics
Would it be best to put quotations from the comics in here or to create a separate article? gz 33 (talk) 06:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)