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User talk:RPickman

Grosse Pointe Blank
Thanks for your significant additions and reformatting of Grosse Pointe Blank (1997). I made one modest change to the dialog formatting to conform not only to your apparent intent but also to current popular practice on many film and TV show pages. I've also removed the stub message, since you've made it into a useful page. Good job! — Jeff Q 16:52, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * Thanks for cleaning up Grosse Pointe Blank(1997). This is the first page I've done any major work on; knew the conversation looked wrong but wasn't sure how to correct it. Also had no idea how to eliminate stub message (I have a parrot-like ability to remember movie lines, but extremely limited computer skills... as you'll have gathered from the way I went about current message). User:RPickman

No problem. Most people have the advantage of seeing other dialog samples and their Wiki markup while editing a quote article. You did rather well considering you didn't have that info available. You might check out How to edit a page for many helpful tips about editing. Also, the easiest way to sign your comments on Talk pages is to end them with  "-- ~"  (without the quotes). The hyphens are just a convenient way to mark a signature, and the four tildes cause the editor to insert your user name (with a link to your user page) and the timestamp of your comment when you save the page. (By the way, as far as I know, the habit of copying Talk page dialog between myself and others (like I've done here), with the Talk page owner's text in italics, is my own convention. Most people just carry on conversations by posting their comments on the other's page, so you have to go back and forth between the pages to follow the conversation. I just think my way is easier for each person to follow. ☺) — Jeff Q 01:36, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I've actually looked over the how-to-edit material, though I could clearly stand to go over a lot of it in more detail. "Grosse Pointe" is one of my favorite flicks; when I started work on the stub it consisted of 2 quotes (one of them a misquote). I probably should have looked over some complete pages before I set to work, but I decided to get some of the material in place first and get the formatting straight later... which you took care of... which gives me a sample to work from. Should come in handy for my next pet project, a "True Grit" page.

I appreciate the additional tips (by the way, your talk-page method is indeed clearer). I may pester you from time to time for tech tips; I hope you won't be shy about telling me to bugger off (in less, or more, blunt language, depending on your inclination & degree of irritation) when/if it gets to be a pain.

Irrelevant tangent: your stuff on "Zorro the Gay Blade" really takes me back!My brother and I can still rattle off entire scenes from memory.

--RPickman 14:32, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)RPickman

Glad to have you onboard here. Wikiquote can really use more folks enthusiatic about adding substantial and accurate quotations for movies and TV shows.

Feel free to "pester" me. You can also post to the Village pump, the official place to ask questions, though it doesn't seem to be used very much here yet. I've found that Kalki is a very helpful administrator (in fact, the only one here I've had any contact with), although he's fairly busy, as one might expect.

By the way, I posted your most recent comment from my talk page above in the exact form you posted it to mine to show you a downside of the fixed-font system (triggered by an initial space on a line, as one might do for ordinary prose paragraphs). It creates insanely wide text lines, as you can see above. The automatic surrounding box looks neat (if you're using the default Monobook skin [Wiki page style]), but anything larger than 80 characters or so (depending on browser window size, Wiki skin, etc.) just runs right past the box. Using fixed-font requires you to be careful about line widths and doesn't handle varying browser window sizes well unless the widths are modest. I reformatted your posting on my page simply by removing the initial space from each line and adding a blank line between each "paragraph" to make paragraphs, which I inferred was your intent.

Also, you don't need to put your user ID after the ~ ; the editor figures out who you are and sets up the signature properly.

Anyway, good luck on True Grit and other pages, and thanks for participating on Wikiquote! — Jeff Q 21:53, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Trying to move a page

 * I'm about finished with True Grit page; all it needs is a plot summary and director/writer acknowledgements. Page only exists in "List of Films" section. I'd like for it to be accessible in Western films but haven't been able to work out how to make this happen. Any pointers you could pass on would be greatly appreciated (if I'm just overlooking something in the how-to-edit stuff, please disregard this request). --RPickman 00:06, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Actually, it's not a question of moving the page. It's a Category designation. Anything with a category tag on the page automatically gets added into the appropriate Category listing. (I don't know if Wikiquote says much about categories. They're relatively new in Wikidom. I've basically learned what I know by looking at pages with category tags embedded in them.) All you need to do is add the following line to the page:

You can put in anywhere in the page, but traditionally it's placed at the bottom. If you want to refer by link to the category on a page, you add a colon in front of the word "Category". The end result looks like this: Category:Western films. Finally, if you want to make the listing on the Category page look different from the article name (like changing The Sixth Sense to show up as "Sixth Sense, The" on Category:Films), format the tag like this:

Hope this helps. — Jeff Q 01:40, 16 Jan 2005 (UTC)

reply
Your work on the X-men looks fine. Profanity is allowed here, in quoting both works and people, when the quotes are genuine. This is just a brief response, because I have limited time tonight, but thanks for the contributions, and Welcome to Wikiquote! ~ Kalki 05:26, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

If you edit your user page without logging in, it could be mistaken for vandalism, but the vandalism JeffQ erased from your page was someone simply pasting commercial links onto various pages, and yours was one of them. This sort of vandalism has been the most common form here, but thus far it has usually been quickly noticed and removed. ~ Kalki 18:26, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Another rookie question

 * ''At the risk of coming off as technologically retarded... how do I make a vertical line on-screen? (e.g. your Sixth Sense, The note above). I don't see it on my keyboard, and haven't been able to figure another way of doing it.

--RPickman 06:27, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)''

If you're talking about the pipe character ("|", ASCII 124 or 0x7C), it's usually represented on keyboards as a broken vertical line, like a colon that uses vertical segments instead of dots. (A Unicode picture version of this is "╎", or U+254E (if your browser supports this), but don't use that code, use U+007C.) Most English keyboards have it on the backslash ("\") key, and create it using SHIFT-backslash. It's usually just above the ENTER or RETURN key on US PC and Mac keyboards, although some have it just to the left of ENTER instead. UK keyboards apparently place it to the left of the "Z" key. Some keyboards have it in other places (e.g., French keyboards have it on the "6" key, but I don't know what kind of control keys one uses to get the symbol). If your keyboard doesn't have this character, you should still be able to create it by engaging your NUM LOCK and holding the ALT key down while you press "124" (the general means to reproduce any extended ASCII (0-255) code). Hope this helps. — Jeff Q (talk) 08:53, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Same-name films and novels

 * I'm trying to start a page for the novel "The Princess Bride". There's already a page for the movie; pages started in "Literary Works" automatically link to the movie page. Any ideas for getting around this? All I've been able to come up with is tacking "novel" on to the title, which will look lousy. --RPickman 03:18, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * NEVER MIND! Got a chance to look over the movie page; I'd forgotten that the author of the book also wrote the screenplay. Most of the good quotes made it into the movie, so a separate page for the book is not really necessary. Sorry. --RPickman 13:18, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Darn. I was writing a lengthy response to a number of issues I thought were raised by your question, but most are irrelevant to your immediate needs, which you happily resolved yourself. ☺ Actually, I wrote all this Monday morning (EST), but I've spent several hours waiting to find that special moment when the overburdened Wiki system would allow me to post this comment.

I do want to clarify something, if I correctly interpreted your concern about links for pages "started" in a list article. If you meant that you cannot create the title The Princess Bride on the List of literary works page without it becoming a link to the current The Princess Bride article, that is because there is nothing special about creating a link on any page anywhere in Wikiquote. The link  The Princess Bride  will always refer to the same page, no matter where it's created. (In fact, it's handy to take advantage of this by making links out of article references in Talk pages like this, like I'm doing here, so people reading these discussions can click on the link to see what's being discussed. Most Wikians don't seem to consider that many people not originally involved in their discussions read these pages much later. I always try to write for a general audience.) Pages like List of literary works, List of films, and Television shows are merely lists of article titles to make it easier to find subject articles. They don't confer any special characteristics on their titles. In fact, if you wanted to be whimsical, you could add Albert Finney to the Television shows article. (Of course, someone would eventually delete it again.)

The only thing that confers any special attributes to an article is the Category system, which is very new and not too well understood yet (even by the creators!). Ideally, when people create an article, they should add Category links to the bottom of the page. In the case of The Princess Bride, if you add a novel section, you should add   to the page bottom, in addition to the Comedy films and Fantasy films categories already there. (The "Princess Bride, The" part allows this article to be sorted appropriately on the category page; otherwise, it would be placed under "T" for "The" because of the article title.) Existing categories are listed at Special:Categories, which you can also get to by clicking on the Categories link on any page that has a category. New ones are automatically created whenever someone adds a   tag to an article. You can see how silly this can get by looking over the existing Category list, which is why I usually try to find an appropriate existing one (or ones).

If you had felt you needed to create an article with a title like The Princess Bride (novel), don't worry about it looking tacky. It's perfectly acceptable and is in common use here. Readers, of course, wouldn't think to add the parenthetical part when looking for quotes from the novel, but we get around that by one of two methods:
 * 1) Create a disambiguation (dab) page The Princess Bride that provides links to The Princess Bride (novel) and The Princess Bride (film), usually with some perfunctory comments about each. (In this case, you could have Moved the current page to the (film) page, then created the dab page.)
 * 2) Add an introductory line to each of The Princess Bride and The Princess Bride (novel) pages, along these lines:
 * These are quotes from the 1987 film The Princess Bride. For quotes from the William Goldman novel, see The Princess Bride (novel)''.
 * … and …
 * These are quotes from the William Goldman novel The Princess Bride. For quotes from the 1987 film, see The Princess Bride''.

Both of these methods are in use in Wikiquote. — Jeff Q (talk) 17:39, 7 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Black Hawk Down
You created this page but forgot to put any quotes on it. Rmhermen 17:30, 11 Mar 2005 (UTC)

''So I did. I could try to convince you the page is "incomplete", or that I've been terribly busy with other things... but the fact is, the page pretty much slipped my mind. Will try to get some quotes on it ASAP.'' --RPickman 03:15, 12 Mar 2005 (UTC)

You have been nominated for adminship

 * I have recently nominated you, and three other users who have been active at Wikiquote for adminship. The opportunity for voting and comments must last a week before any actions can be taken. Please post your response at Requests for adminship. Thanks for all your help. ~ Kalki 13:47, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry that you don't feel quite ready for the position yet. Thanks for all your effort thus far, and I hope that you will feel more capable here within a few months or so. ~ Achilles

 * No one demands perfection here, and I hope that you will grow more comfortable with things soon. Since you are declining for now, I will probably remove your name from the list for consideration, but whenever you feel ready anytime in the months ahead, just ask. That you are intent on helping the project grow, and have a proven will to act responsibly are definitely two of the things that matter most. Thanks again for your efforts. ~ Kalki 00:40, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Hi, RPickman. I'm sorry to hear you feel now unready to request for sysopship. Thank you for your efforts and devotion to the project and also your prudence. I would like you to know even oldbies rely on other's experiences and advices and it is one of the expecting virtues of sysops that you know what you don't know. ;-) Hoping you to enjoy Wikiquote, cheers. --Aphaia 02:22, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for your vote. I don't agree that I am "running the show" though; I've only supervised a few things here for a while. Everyone involved keeps things running. ~ Kalki 17:25, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I commend your prudence, RPickman, but don't sell yourself short. I've been Wiki-ing for nearly two years, and there are still plenty of things I don't know. Based on your hard work, your conscientiousness, and your fearlessness about asking questions, I'm sure you would absorb the necessary details quickly and rise to the challenge of adminship quite well. I suspect your main obstacle will be your own assessment of your readiness. — Jeff Q (talk) 23:53, 23 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Broaden your suspicions

 * I appreciate your confidence. You might be right - but I really don't think so. Thing is, my ignorance extends beyond Wiki into the broader field of computers in general. Took a brief look at the sysop functions mentioned by Kalki, above; I have only the vaguest notion what half of them mean, and no clue how any of them would actually be done. Can't see the point in having additional abitities that I don't know how to use. (Believe it or not, at one time I was nearly cutting-edge; if FORTRAN makes a comeback, I'll be set.) Again, thanks - but I'll stick with being an ordinary contributor.
 * --RPickman 19:52, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps the biggest problem you'll have is distinguishing between computer stuff and Wiki stuff. FYI, the "Wi-Fi" (Wireless Fidelity) reference is the only general computer term Kalki uses, and it's irrelevant to Wiki work (unless you're on the road). I don't know how to "block vandals, edit protected pages, protect, unprotect or delete pages" yet, myself. And anyone can revert a change quickly and fairly easily; Kalki's statement merely hints at a special feature for sysops that makes it even quicker and easier — presumably, since I don't know what it looks like, either. These are all things you get information on if you become an admin. (At least, I hope, otherwise I won't be a very useful admin. ☺) I'm fully prepared to look for and then ask about any of these things, if I get the admin nod, but that's nothing more than you've been doing already. Anyway, I'm not trying to sell you on the idea; it's just a learning curve we all need to travel. — Jeff Q (talk) 02:42, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Film-adding shortcut
I see you've been busy adding films to List of films/requested, then quickly creating the articles. Might I suggest a shortcut? Since these requested films must be deleted from the "requested" subpage and added to the main List of films page, I've found a way to avoid the multiple list edits: That way, the film isn't added to the current-film list until you've created the film's quote page, and no shifting has to be done. The only potential problem is if someone adds a film between the time you edit List of films and save it (in which case you'll get an "edit conflict"), but you can avoid that by having a prepared set of quotes in a text editor that you simply paste into the new film article's edit window and save. When I do this, it rarely takes me more than a couple of minutes to go through all four steps. (It's even quicker using your approach of starting the article with a few quotes and then adding more to it later. I tend to create an entire article offline over days, then paste the whole mess into the new article, which slows me down while I review it for errors.) Anyway, it's just a suggestion. — Jeff Q (talk) 22:54, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Edit List of films and add the title, but Preview the page instead of Save-ing it.
 * 2) Use the red link created in the preview to open a second browser window to create the article. (If you want to know how to do this, let me know what Web browser you use.)
 * 3) Save the film article and close that second browser window.
 * 4) Go back to the first window and Save the List of films edit.

Here are two ways to open a second window with Internet Explorer: I tried this using IE 6, but at least one of these should work for older versions. Let me know if it doesn't. You can quickly switch between the windows by pressing Alt-Tab (holding the ALT key down while pressing TAB), which cycles you through your open windows. — Jeff Q (talk) 00:56, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Hold the SHIFT key down and click on the link.
 * Right-click on the link and select "Open in a new window".

 * Glad to see that my instructions were useful. And thanks for starting Dogma! I've been meaning to get that going for a while, but it was still pretty far down on my list. — Jeff Q (talk) 02:39, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Léon/The Professional

 * Another (semi-)technical problem: the movie Leon was released in most (all?) US markets as The Professional. It's in Foreign Films as "Leon"; I'd like to have it listed in Action Films (or just Films) under the American title. My attempts have resulted in film appearing as "Leon" listed under the letter P. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? --RPickman 02:54, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

It looks to me like you added a properly formatted film link for The Professional to the P section. There's nothing wrong about that. When you find out that there's a different preferred name, you can just edit List of films to remove the less-desirable title and add the preferred one, if it's not already there. It's not uncommon for people to add two different titles for the same film or TV show. When I see that that has happened, I typically remove the secondary one and put that title in parentheses on the line with the preferred title link. I've just done it for this movie, as an example. — Jeff Q (talk) 03:10, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I suspect that you are talking about the Category Action films, in which case the answer is no. You can use a "sort key" to alphabetize the article differently in the category but you cannot get it to display anything other than the title. This function has been requested since about half an hour after the category system was introduced. Rmhermen 22:41, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Oops. I see Rmhermen better understood your problem. (Apparently my brain was in snooze mode when I read your rather straightforward explanation.) To quote Emily Litella (Gilda Radner) from Saturday Night Live… "Never mind." — Jeff Q (talk) 04:46, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Redirects

 * I'm trying to set up a link from Wikipedia's page on the film Zulu to the Wikiquote page I made for it. Problem is, 'Pedia lists it as Zulu (film), so link goes to nonexistent page. How do I go about redirecting to the actual 'Quote page (just Zulu)? --RPickman 00:37, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I assume you're trying to use the   template that requires the articles to have the same title. If you want to use the template, you should edit the page Zulu (film) here on Wikiquote and add the line:

 #REDIRECT Zulu

You can also use the direct link  Zulu  in the Wikipedia article (which will display just "Zulu" in the link), if you don't feel the need to use the template. One hopes the MediaWiki crew will eventually make it possible to override the parameter in these templates so we can link to mismatched names between projects. — Jeff Q (talk) 00:53, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * By the way, RoboAction, another major film-quote contributor, passed along a tip for linking mismatched titles from Wikipedia to Wikiquote, as shown in the following example:
 *   for our Predator article, and
 *   for Wikipedia's Predator
 * — Jeff Q (talk) 08:41, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Buffy nomenclature

 * For once, I don't have a technical question. Have been making occasional additions to the Buffy the Vampire Slayer page. Most recent was from episode "Who Are You?" where Faith has switched bodies with Buffy; makes things tricky when one of them talks from the other's body (doesn't seem to have come up before). I went with "Buffy-in-Faith" for character. Give me a holler if you have a better idea. By the way (sort of): 1) Outstanding job on guidelines for Buffy page 2) Thanks for passing on the "par" tip. --RPickman 04:14, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the Buffy contribution. You may have noticed I rudely tweaked your wording ☺ to match my own record of that passage. I do this regularly with Buffy because of my obsessive need to quote exactly, and that's one of the tons of quotes I've recorded in my own Buffy quote system. (I don't add everything I've got because the page would several megabytes long, but when someone adds one, I tweak it when necessary. It also prevents the list from becoming my personal "favorite Buffy quotes" page, as there are many passages that folks add that I wouldn't.)

As for the body-switching situation, I had the same problem with my quote database, and I used the system I implemented for MST3K: when person A is speaking as if they're person B, I write A [as B]; e.g., Servo [as Dracula]. But that's much harder to figure for one person in another's body, without giving instructions to the reader. Does Buffy [as Faith] mean Buffy's soul in Faith's body, or Buffy's body with Faith's soul? Frankly, I find your method much clearer in this circumstance. — Jeff Q (talk) 09:20, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Thanks for the note on the guidelines. I'm actually not so happy about them, because they're so long and involved. I hate tons of instructions that might discourage people from contributing. But I thought it would help people understand the style I'd defined, so they would be less likely to complain about it. (It'd be so much easier if the Wiki community came up with some decent quote markup and stopped screwing around with skin styles that make existing markup look so different for different people, but that's another long diatribe.) Of course, people often just try to imitate other quotes' format, and some won't bother even with examples and instructions, but everybody has their own way to learn, and I figured the instructions would help those who like to RTFM ☺ before doing something. — Jeff Q (talk) 09:29, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

The Wizard of Oz
Nice job on cleaning up The Wizard of Oz! — Jeff Q (talk) 21:37, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Lifting Buffy instructions

 * ...Would you mind if I lifted your Buffy instructions for the Angel page? I had everything there reformatted Buffy-style as of last week, but having directions might save some editing later on (might not, too — but it's worth a try). --RPickman 04:23, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Not at all; help yourself. They really belong to the community, anyway. It may fuel my already excessive ego, but I try to remind myself that it's an accident of circumstance that they still resemble what I originally wrote. I myself have lifted plenty of practices from other wikis and wikians. — Jeff Q (talk) 08:16, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I see you've adapted the Buffy instructions as you had planned. I have two comments about them as they currently stand. First, my signature shouldn't be on them, because it makes it look like I put them there. Could you please replace them with your signature and current timestamp? The way I usually handle acknowledgement of the original source is to mention the person (or page; again, it's just happenstance that the text is recognizably mine) when introducing the text, like "the formatting instructions below are initially based on a structure borrowed from Buffy the Vampire Slayer", and then go into the details. Ordinarily it's bad form to rework or rewrite Talk page material, but by putting formatting instructions on the Talk page, I opened up to those other pages the need to be able to replace text that I wrote, so it's reasonable to lift it wholesale as long as there's a simple nod to its origin.

 * Second, I notice that, as you've created them, the copy-and-paste character references require a person to edit the instruction page in order to do the copy, rather than simply select the text from an ordinary page display. I suggest that this makes it somewhat harder for editors (especially newer ones) to make use of this shortcut, which will probably result in fewer people taking advantage of it. My rationale was this: anyone who is comfortable doing an edit to get the shortcut doesn't need it, because they can do the same thing on the main article page, where those shortcuts already exist in the quotes. The nowiki-wrapped text is more for folks who are just getting started. (Personally, I don't use it, because I find it much easier to have text pages on my computer (e.g., Buffy.txt, MST3K.txt) with just the shortcuts for each show. I just write up a bunch of new quotes [or copy over existing malformatted ones and edit them] in my text editor, then cut-n-paste the lot of them back into the appropriate section. That's why my edits are frequently just one per episode, or sometimes one per season.) — Jeff Q (talk) 18:00, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * As to your second concern... I'm not sure I understand the problem, or what needs to be done differently... Also: noticed you've cleaned up my Buffy entries from Dawn's diary. They're a lot clearer now; my versions were so garbled ("malformatted", as you aptly put it) that I was considering deleting them.
 * Sorry about the confusion. Apparently I had been looking at a version of Talk:Angel earlier than 13:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC), because I see that at that time, you had converted the character links to nowiki-formatted text, which is what I was suggesting. (If you look at an earlier version, my text might make a bit more sense.) Either I had a old cached version of the page when I looked at it, or I took several hours to getting around to posting, during which you'd made my point moot. My apologies for the resulting unfathomable suggestion. And as far as Dawn's diary entries in "Real Me" go, your stuff was hardly "malformatted". (I use that more to mean stuff that isn't indented or character-bolded.) We just had a slight difference of opinion on how to present it, and since I'm obnoxious about the Buffy page, I revised it to keep with my strict opinions. Someday someone (or someones) will probably become more obnoxious than me about it, and I'll probably concede to their greater diligence. Such is the way of community editing. ☺ — Jeff Q (talk) 07:29, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

You may have noticed that I've revised some of the Talk:Angel formatting guidelines, fixing some markup and making them more Angel-specific. I've also added my signature to two sections that you had removed them from at my request. I suppose you're wondering what the hell I'm doing. ☺

Believe it or not, I'm not trying to make you crazy. I'm having problems myself figuring out how to credit postings on these odd talk pages. The problem is that talk pages are normally supposed to show a chronological dialog of users discussing the article. (The chrono order may be interrupted by side discussions, but the timestamp on signatures should always make it clear who said what.) But I've used some TV-show talk pages as an evolving description of formatting guidelines, which is somewhat unconventional and breaks the orderly chrono-ordered, signed discussions. I may have started the guidelines, but anyone can edit them (or borrow them as you've done), and there is no record (other than the page history) who contributed what. This is expected for an article, but not for a talk page. I've only gotten away with it this long because no one has edited them or had a reason to copy them until now.

One alternative is to put the guidelines in the article itself, but these guidelines are far too elaborate to permit that. (There's a general wiki expectation of keeping "metadata" out of an article, anyway.)

I frankly don't know what to do about this. I'm afraid my whiplash-inducing suggestions to you are just the result of my own lack of surety. I apologize for the confusion. Perhaps we can put both our signatures on these sections, and hope that no one else bothers to edit them for a while (which seems likely). I'm open to other (any!) suggestions. — Jeff Q (talk) 09:56, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

 * I think I finally have a solution for these detailed formatting instructions — put them on a subpage of the appropriate article! That way, the subpage is like an article in that it only reflects the unattributed current practice, it doesn't clutter up the main article itself, and any discussion can go on the subpage's talk page, so signed commentary about the formatting practice doesn't get mixed up with the practice itself. If what I'm trying with Firefly at User:Jeffq/Experiments/Firefly format works, I think I'll go back to Buffy, MST3K, etc., and move their formatting discussions into similar subpages. Take a look at it and let me know what you think. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:34, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

TV Quote Guidelines
Hi, RPickman! I noticed your comment on Jeffq's page regarding TV-quote-guidelines, and wanted to make sure you were aware of the discussion in Wikiquote talk:Templates. I cleaned up the Veronica Mars page, and decided to link (rather than copy) to the Gilmore Girls instructions, just to save redundancy, and I would really like for one prime guideline (obviously I prefer the Veronica Mars/Gilmore Girls way, which is pretty similar to the Whedon-shows way...) MosheZadka 06:59, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Voiceover formatting

 * On the "Real Me" quotes, first entry was OK, but second one (arrival of Xander and Anya) was unclear enough to bother me (really did consider deleting it).

I remember agonizing over that passage, because it was hard to come up with a decent way to list the dialog without the context and formatting getting in the way. (My version still is rather awkward, but I think it's the best compromise between following the general guidelines and maintaining accuracy. And I really wanted to keep that quote!) Part of the problem is voiceovers. It's annoying to have to put "[voiceover]" in front of each quoted line. You can perhaps skip it when a whole passage is voiceover (as I do in my Buffy quote project during Dawn's initial recitation), but when the voicing-over character intersperses non-voiced-over dialog, it's mandatory to make the passage clear. Check out Dead Like Me, in which a major portion of every show is George's voicing-over, to see how confusing it can get. (It's one of the reasons I haven't bothered to add any more quotes to that article.) — Jeff Q (talk) 04:16, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Wayne's World
You took off the message saying that this page needs to be merged without actually merging the pages. Perhaps it was a mistake. Since you have done a lot of work on that pagem can you tell if there is anything on Waynes World that needs to be added to the correct page before it gets redirected? Rmhermen 13:04, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Sysopship again
Hi, RPickman. Are you interested in joining our sysop team now? I suppose you feel in a bit different way before a month and some days, as an user with five months experience and as the third most active Wikiquoter on this project. --Aphaia 08:26, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for reply and consideration. I would like to notice you I too make mostly "minor" edits - interlang, add category (and sometimes list a new deletion candidate), welcome newcomers, etc. And in my opinion patience is one of expectable character for a good editor. I don't try now to persuade you, but only would like you know I think you as a good and respectable editor, really a good part of our community. Cheers, --Aphaia 13:41, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Reduced activity
This isn't an earth-shattering announcement unless you happen to be me or my spouse... but my activity level will be tapering off for a while. I've rejoined the ranks of the gainfully employed, which will take up an annoyingly large chunk of my free time. --RPickman 08:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup suggestions
I've seen a lot of your cleanup work on the film articles on my Recent Changes (RC) patrols (which is how we watch for vandalism, in case you didn't know that), which is why it may seem like I'm following you around. It's not intentional. ☺ I hope you don't mind my making a few observations, though: Please take these suggestions with a grain of salt, and continue your excellent work! — Jeff Q (talk) 09:05, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * When you make changes, you should always preview them and test the links before saving. The most experienced editor will make mistakes (as I discover in my own work all the time). I fixed some typos in your recent edits to Galaxy Quest (a missing "%" in the HR line, which turns the HR into a tiny 50-pixel line) and Mystery Men (misspelled "width", which turns the HR into a full line; and a 1999 link that I think you meant to be 1999 ). Two handy tricks:
 * To test a link, do a new-window click on the link so that it opens a new window with the resulting page. Then you can close the window without losing your original edit window. (The new-window or new-tab click mechanism varies wildly with browser type; if you don't know how to do this, let me know what browser/version you use and I'll let you know the easiest way to do this.)
 * You can avoid typos in commonly-added text (like   ) by having a text-editor window open that has the text ready for copying and pasting. (For Windows, I use a tiny Notepad window, which you can bring up with Start->Run, entering "Notepad", and grabbing the lower-right corner of the application window to shrink its size so it's only as large as you need it.)
 * This is strictly advisory, but I recommend adding a blank line around those half-width HRs so future editors can more easily see where dialog segments start and end. I'm sure you noticed I originally put blank lines both above and below the HR line, but I've come around to the idea that simply adding one above (leaving the HR "attached" to the next dialog segment) is enough of a visual cue.
 * I'm on my own minor crusade on this one, but I like to italicize book, film, and TV show titles even in link sections like "See also". (I get twinges looking at the long list of unitalicized titles in List of films and Television shows, but then I take my medication and calm down. ☺) I honestly can't say whether doing this is a good thing; it's just my compulsion.

 * ... is there not a potentially-amusing degree of irony in my hope that you'd have less stress to deal with while piling up editorial issues for you? Sorry about that... --RPickman 21:54, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey, don't worry about my stress — it's completely self-inflicted. Besides, I merely passed along suggestions and know you'll do what you think is appropriate and have time for (which is all any of us can hope to do). My stress on this ended when I posted the suggestions; they're completely yours to take or leave as desired. And congratulations on becoming a cog in the auto industry machinery once again! (I think.) One must be able to feed oneself before one can take time out to edit Wikiquote articles, eh? ☺ — Jeff Q (talk) 23:17, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Off-line for a while
I'm going to be out of commission for a while. The computer I've been using is the property of my wife's union, and has to be returned now that her term in office is over. We've bought a new computer of our very own, but given my frequent bouts of technological retardation, it may take considerable time to get it up and running. --RPickman 21:23, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Up and running. Getting the new unit working proved easier than I imagined. --RPickman 21:53, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

RPickman, might I recommend using the "Create a new topic" link at the top of Village pump instead of editing the previous section and manually adding a new header? When you do it the latter way, your edit shows up in Recent changes and the page history as being part of the previous topic, which is confusing. Using the "new topic" link adds your new header (from the "Subject/headline" field above the text") automatically to these edit histories (which is exactly how the "+" tab works for discussion pages). It's just one of the small things we're trying to encourage to reduce potential problems and hopefully make Wikiquote easier to use. ☺ — Jeff Q (talk) 05:43, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

P.S. Nice to see your computer setup wasn't the hassle you'd feared. We don't want to be without your considerable contributions for long! — Jeff Q (talk) 05:43, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hi
Welcome back! We missed you really. --Aphaia 6 July 2005 01:13 (UTC)

Dark Willow
Customarily, as I've heard the usage, "Dark Willow" refers to Willow going black-haired in the last episode of Season 6. The Vampire Willow in season 3 is usually called just that. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 19:12, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Point taken; character name has been edited in accordance with your suggestion. As originally posted, she was "Evil Willow", so I think my version, while erronneous, was still anm improvement. Thanks for your input. --RPickman 00:26, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

 * It was -- but your edit drew my attention to the quote :) Thanks! ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 00:29, 11 July 2005 (UTC)

TV template
Hi. I wanted to draw your attention to Wikiquote talk:Templates/TVdraft. Any comments you might have on the template will be appreciated. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 17:19, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

guidelines
Any time you find yourself transcribing an entire scene, consider trimming it down to the best few lines.
 * Try not to add more than 2-4 quotes yourself, as MosheZadka mentioned.
 * Try to avoid adding dialog whose humor or pithiness won't be clear to someone who has not watched the show. Such material is better suited for fan sites.
 * A context longer than a single line suggests that too much non-quote material is needed to make the quote interesting.
 * It's better to remove a single non-pithy quote line that add a paragraph to demonstrate why it's interesting.
 * Always remember that others may have different opinions on what should or shouldn't be included, so leave "room" for their ideas.

Buffy queries
Please look at my question in Talk:Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 17:43, 2 September 2005 (UTC)

Buffy season 6 evil trio

 * … I also wanted to ask if there's a preferred name for the group of "supervillains" (Warren, Jonathan, Andrew) featured in Season Six; I've seen them referred to as the Trio, the Evil Trio, the nerds, the geeks, etc. and am not quite sure what to call them. --RPickman 05:12, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I'm not aware of an "official" name. (I prefer Xander's "Legion of Dim" myself.) I suggest using whatever term suits you when you write the context lines, as long as it's clear who you're referring to. I think we can be a bit creative in the context lines, as long as we don't get too fannish about it (and keep it brief, of course). I recommend not using it to indicate speakers — i.e., if they say something in unison — but rather to show each in a comma-separated list. I've always felt that as long as the exact speakers are listed in the actual dialog, one can take some liberties in how one describes a group in the context lines (e.g., "Scoobies", "gang", "Slayerettes" for Buffy's group). So far, no one seems to have a problem with that. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 18:16, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Dawn of the Dead
Sorry I didn't get back to you regarding your request for me to review the Dawn of the Dead (2004) stuff. I still haven't had a chance to look, but I had done some work before the merge had to occur (I inadvertently created a new page before I really understood how things work here). But, I used primarily IMDB to add quotes and tried to adhere to the format shown in the Film template. I've just returned to work from a vacation, but I'll try to take a look as soon as I can and offer any comments I have. UDScott 19:33, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

28 Days Later

 * I notice you've added a cleanup tag to this article. What exactly needs to be corrected or cleaned up? - RPickman 02:29, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

 * I added the cleanup tag because it doesn't quite fit into the film template -- the changes needed are really pretty minor: individual quotes are not separated from dialogue, there are numerous extra lines between dialogues, and the stars shouldn't be listed at the top (since they are already in the Cast section). Otherwise, a good page (for a good movie) UDScott 21:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Hi from Wikipedia (re: Patton (film))
Hi from Wikipedia!

I wanted to make sure someone saw what I left... and you RPickman seemed to have written the article
 * re: Talk:Patton_%28film%29 My sigs not working over here, but DirectLinktomyTalk that will!

You use different templates here I gather, so wanted to make sure someone saw this. 24.61.229.179 05:59, 21 March 2006 (UTC) aka User:fabartus at Wikipedia

Hi
Nice to see you here around :) --Aphaia 07:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

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Thaddeus Stevens

Thaddeus Stevens (4 April 1792 – 11 August 1868), also known as The Great Commoner, was a member of the United States House of Representatives from Pennsylvania and one of the leaders of the Radical Republican faction of the Republican Party during the 1860's. A fierce opponent of slavery and discrimination against African-Americans, Stevens sought to secure their rights during Reconstruction, in opposition to President Andrew Johnson. As chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee during the American Civil War, he played a major part in the war's financing.

Quotes

 * John Brown deserves to be hung for being a hopeless fool! He attempted to capture Virginia with seventeen men when he ought to know that it would require at least twenty-five.
 * In Selected Papers of Thaddeus Stevens

 * There is a wrong impression about one of the candidates. There is no such person running as James Buchanan. He is dead of lock-jaw. Nothing remains but a platform and a bloated mass of political putridity.
 * As quoted in Selected Papers of Thaddeus Stevens

 * It has been suggested that the President intentionally left those forts in a defenseless condition, that South Carolina might seize them before his successor had time to take means for their safety. I cannot believe it; I will not believe it, for it would make Mr. Buchanan a more odious traitor than Benedict Arnold. Every drop of blood that shall be shed in the conflict would sit heavy on his soul forever.
 * In Selected Papers of Thaddeus Stevens

 * Gentlemen on this floor and in the Senate, had repeatedly, during this discussion, asserted that slavery was a moral, political, and personal blessing; that the slave was free from care, contented, happy, fat, and sleek. Comparisons have been instituted between slaves and laboring freemen, much to the advantage of the condition of slavery. Instances are cited where the slave, having tried freedom, had voluntarily returned to resume his yoke. Well, if this be so, let us give all a chance to enjoy this blessing. Let the slaves, who choose, go free; and the free, who choose, become slaves. If these gentlemen believe there is a word of truth in what they preach, the slaveholder need be under no apprehension that he will ever lack bondsmen. Their slaves would remain, and many freemen would seek admission into this happy condition. Let them be active in propagating their principles. We will not complain if they establish Societies in the South for that purpose -- abolition societies to abolish freedom. Nor will we rob the mails to search for incendiary publications in favor of slavery, even if they contain seductive pictures, and cuts of those implements of happiness -- handcuffs, iron yokes and cat-o'-nine tails.
 * In Selected Papers of Thaddeus Stevens

 * You must be a bastard for I knew your mother's husband and he was a gentleman and honest man.
 * In Selected Papers of Thaddeus Stevens

 * I never thought of it that way, but it does relieve God Almighty of a heavy responsibility.
 * When someone pointed out to him that like Stevens himself, Andrew Johnson was a self-made man, in Selected Papers of Thaddeus Stevens

1830s

 * I wished that I were the owner of every southern slave, that I might cast off the shackles from their limbs, and witness the rapture which would excite them in the first dance of their freedom.
 * Statement at the Pennsylvania Constitutional Convention (July 1837), quoted in Thaddeus Stevens, Scourge of the South (1959) by Fawn M. Brodie, p. 63

 * I can never acknowledge the right of slavery. I will bow down to no deity however worshipped by professing Christians — however dignified by the name of the Goddess of Liberty, whose footstool is the crushed necks of the groaning millions, and who rejoices in the resoundings of the tyrant’s lash, and the cries of his tortured victims.
 * Letter (4 May 1838), quoted in Shapers of the Great Debate on the Civil War : A Biographical Dictionary (2005) by Dan Monroe and Bruce Tap, p. 255

1850s

 * There can be no fanatics in the cause of genuine liberty. Fanaticism is excessive zeal. There may be, and have been fanatics in false religion – in the bloody religions of the heathen. There are fanatics in superstition. But there can be no fanatic, however warm their zeal, in the true religion, even although you sell your goods and bestow your money on the poor, and go on and follow your Master. There may, and every hour shows around me, fanatics in the cause of false liberty – that infamous liberty which justifies human bondage, that liberty whose ‘corner-stone is slavery.’ But there can be no fanaticism however high the enthusiasm, in the cause of rational, universal liberty – the liberty of the Declaration of Independence.
 * "The California Question" (10 June 1850), as quoted in The Selected Works of Thaddeus Stevens.

 * It is my purpose nowhere in these remarks to make personal reproaches; I entertain no ill-will toward any human being, nor any brute, that I know of, not even the skunk across the way to which I referred. Least of all would I reproach the South. I honor her courage and fidelity. Even in a bad, a wicked cause, she shows a united front. All her sons are faithful to the cause of human bondage, because it is their cause. But the North - the poor, timid, mercenary, driveling North - has no such united defenders of her cause, although it is the cause of human liberty. None of the bright lights of the nation shine upon her section. Even her own great men have turned her accusers. She is the victim of low ambition - an ambition which prefers self to country, personal aggrandizement to the high cause of human liberty. She is offered up a sacrifice to propitiate southern tyranny - to conciliate southern treason.
 * June 10, 1850 in a speech before Congress on the Fugitive Slave Act. Page 123, Vol. 1, Palmer. In Selected Papers of Thaddeus Stevens

1860s

 * Every humane and patriotic heart must grieve to see a bloody and causeless rebellion, costing thousands of human lives and millions of treasure. But as it was predetermined and inevitable, it was long enough delayed. Now is the appropriate time to solve the greatest problem ever submitted to civilized man.
 * "Subduing the Rebellion" (22 January 1862), as quoted in The Selected Works of Thaddeus Stevens

 * Our object should be not only to end this terrible war now, but to prevent its recurrence. All must admit that slavery is the cause of it. Without slavery we should this day be a united and happy people... The principles of our Republic are wholly incompatible with slavery.
 * "Subduing the Rebellion" (22 January 1862), as quoted in The Selected Works of Thaddeus Stevens

 * I will be satisfied if my epitaph shall be written thus: "Here lies one who never rose to any eminence, who only courted the low ambition to have it said that he striven to ameliorate the condition of the poor, the lowly, the downtrodden of every race and language and color."
 * Speech (13 January 1865), as quoted in ''History of the Antislavery Measures of the Thirty-seventh and Thirty-eighth Congress (1865) by Henry Wilson, p. 388

 * It is said the South will never submit — that we cannot conquer the rebels — that they will suffer themselves to be slaughtered, and their whole country to be laid waste. Sir, war is a grievous thing at best, and civil war more than any other ; but if they hold this language, and the means which they have suggested must be resorted to ; if their whole country must be laid waste and made a desert, in order to save this Union from destruction, so let it be. I would rather, Sir, reduce them to a condition where their whole country is to be re-peopled by a band of freemen, than to see them perpetrate the destruction of this people through our agency. I do not say it is time to resort to such means, and I do not say that the time will come, but I never fear to express my sentiments. It is not a question with me of policy, but a question of principle.
 * As quoted in Thaddeus Stevens: Commoner (1882) by E. B. Callender, Ch. VI : Heroic Epoch, p. 113

 * I repose in this quiet and secluded spot not from any natural preference for solitude, but finding other cemeteries limited as to race by charter rules, I have chosen this that I might illustrate in my death the principles which I advocated through a long life: EQUALITY OF MAN BEFORE HIS CREATOR.
 * Epitaph on his grave in Lancaster, Pennsylvania

In fiction

 * When the war ends, I intend to push for full equality, the Negro vote and much more. Congress shall mandate the seizure of every foot of rebel land and every dollar of their property. We’ll use their confiscated wealth to establish hundreds of thousands of free Negro farmers, and at their side soldiers armed to occupy and transform the heritage of traitors. We'll build up a land down there of free men and free women and free children and freedom. The nation needs to know that we have such plans.
 * Lincoln (2012).

 * Ah, shit on the people and what they want and what they’re ready for! I don’t give a goddamn about the people and what they want! This is the face of someone who has fought long and hard for the good of the people without caring much for any of ‘em. And I look a lot worse without the wig. The people elected me! To represent them! To lead them! And I lead! You ought to try it!
 * Lincoln (2012).

 * Oh, how you have longed to say that to me. You claim you trust them but you know what the people are. You know that the inner compass that should direct the soul toward justice has ossified in white men and women, north and south, unto utter uselessness through tolerating the evil of slavery. White people cannot bear the thought of sharing this country's infinite abundance with Negroes.
 * Lincoln (2012).

Misattributed

 * He that hath a trade, hath an estate.
 * Benjamin Franklin, in Poor Richard's Almanack (1772)

 * All free governments are managed by the combined wisdom and folly of the people.
 * James A. Garfield, as quoted in Many Thoughts of Many Minds : A Treasury of Quotations from the Literature of Every Land and Every Age (1896) edited by Louis Klopsch, p. 116

Quotes about Stevens

 * Whoever cracked Thaddeus Stevens' skull would let out the brains of the Republican Party.
 * Anonymous saying, quoted in Thaddeus Stevens, Scourge of the South (1959), by Frawn M. Brodie, p. 63

 * God give to Vermont another son; Lancaster, another citizen; Pennsylvania, another statesman; the country, another patriot; the poor, another friend; the freedmen, another advocate; the race, another benefactor; and the world, another man like Thaddeus Stevens.
 * Chaplain of the U.S. Senate

 * Thaddeus Stevens, the clearest-headed leader of this attempt at industrial democracy, made his last speech, impeaching Andrew Johnson on February 16, and on February 23 I was born.
 * The Autobiography of W.E.B. Du Bois: A Soliloquy on Viewing My Life from the Last Decade of Its First Century (1968)

 * In this study the term "abolitionist" will be applied to those Americans who before the Civil War had agitated for immediate, unconditional, and universal abolition of slavery in the United States. Contemporaries of the antislavery movement and later historians have sometimes mistakenly used the word "abolitionist" to describe adherents of the whole spectrum of antislavery sentiment. Members of the Free Soil and Republican parties have often been called abolitionists, even though these parties were pledged officially before 1861 only to the limitation of slavery, not to its extirpation. It is a moot question whether such radical anti-slavery leaders such as Charles Sumner, John Andrew, George Julian, Thaddeus Stevens, or Owen Lovejoy were genuine "abolitionists". In their hearts they probably desired an immediate end to slavery as fervently as did William Lloyd Garrison. But they were committed publicly by political affiliation and party responsibility to a set of principles that fell short of genuine abolitionism.
 * James M. McPherson, The Struggle for Equality (1964) p. 3
 * In the months after the Civil War, slavery remained constitutional and African Americans were still not guaranteed the right to vote or even to count themselves as citizens. The states of the Confederacy were beaten, but there was no consensus on how to readmit them to the Union. Republicans dominated Congress, but the President—Andrew Johnson—was a southern Democrat. The Era of Reconstruction began on this confused footing, but with one brilliant Pennsylvanian ready to fight for what he believed. That man was Congressman Thaddeus Stevens of Lancaster... No other man of his era did as much to guarantee the rights of citizenship for African Americans. Decades before the Civil War, Stevens advocated full equality for black people. In Congress after the war, he very nearly had the power to make that happen. He understood that laws alone could not ensure racial equality and strenuously urged the utter destruction of the old southern elites so that a new order could be built. That was too much for his contemporaries, and the Civil Rights Movement was left for a later generation. Disappointed, Stevens said that he would 'take all I can get in the cause of humanity and leave it to be perfected by better men in better times'. Stevens would have taken great pleasure in knowing that the 'better man' was a black man from a Southern state. He would have taken no pleasure at all in knowing that the 'better times' were a century away... Thaddeus Stevens was a man before his time. As early as the 1830s he was using his own money to buy slaves' freedom and defending free blacks in court at no charge. His true goal was not an end to slavery, but actual equality among the races. He even protested California's discrimination against Chinese immigrants and argued for more humane treatment of Indians—positions virtually unheard of in his day. Stevens was born in poverty, but rose to become possibly the most powerful man in America. Frustrated and even bitter, Stevens died in 1868 having done much for African Americans but having made few friends. He is buried in a small cemetery on Mulberry Street in Lancaster; the only one he could find that did not racially discriminate. He wrote his own epitaph.
 * Joseph Pitts, Thaddeus Stevens, A Man Before His Time (24 April 2002)

 * Thaddeus Stevens, that great fighter for human freedom, was an uncompromising Abolitionist. The slaveowners and bankers of his time called him a revolutionist. Deeply interested in education, he started the first vocational training school for boys, in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. He helped establish the free public school system in Pennsylvania, and fought for equal educational opportunities for the Negro people. His championship of social as well as political equality for Negroes was the real reason for the family's disapproval of him.
 * Ella Reeve Bloor We Are Many: An Autobiography (1940)

 * When Chase, Summer, Stevens, and Wilson talk to the negro of the importance of having the franchise, and stop short of giving the franchise to woman, I proclaim them hypocrites—I proclaim them politicians. They speak so to the newly freed slave, because he has already the ballot in his hands, and they want him to vote for them. We have not that right, and hence they do not speak one word in favor of our attaining the elective franchise.
 * Ernestine Rose, Address to the First Anniversary of the American Equal Rights Association (May 9, 1867)

 * After the Civil War, Representative Thaddeus Stevens, a Radical Republican, urged the federal government to seize the estates of wealthy former Confederates and use them in part to provide freedmen with some small compensation for centuries of forced labor. Stevens warned that without economic empowerment, freedmen would eventually find themselves at the mercy of their former masters. "It is impossible that any practical equality of rights can exist where a few thousand men monopolize the whole landed property," Stevens wrote in 1865. "The whole fabric of Southern society must be changed, and never can it be done if this opportunity is lost. Without this, this government can never be, as it never has been, a true republic"...Thaddeus Stevens knew that without sufficient economic power, civic equality becomes difficult to maintain. His insight has proved remarkably durable across American history. The question now is whether a new coalition, radicalized by racism, can defy that history.
 * Adam Serwer, The Cruelty is the Point (2021)

 * During the Civil War, one of the nation's leading abolitionists was Republican Senator Henry Wilson, of Massachusetts, who would later serve as vice president during President Grant's second term. In December 1861, Mr. Wilson introduced a bill to abolish slavery in the District. The measure met with parliamentary obstacles from the adamantly pro-slavery Democratic Party, whom Republicans in those days referred to as the 'Slave-ocrats'. Most Democrats in Congress having resigned in order to join the Confederate rebellion, Wilson's measure sailed through the Senate. The abolitionist senator responsible for outmaneuvering Democrat opposition was Ben Wade, the Ohio Republican who six years later would have assumed the presidency had the bitterly racist Democratic President, Andrew Johnson, been convicted during his impeachment trial. In the House of Representatives, Democrats delayed passage with a series of stalling tactics. Finally, the majority leader, Thaddeus Stevens, bulldozed over Democrat opposition by calling the House into a committee of the whole. He stopped all other business in the House until Democrats relented and allowed a vote on the bill. Stevens, of Pennsylvania, is best known for his 'forty acres and a mule' proposal. Overall, 99 percent of Republicans in Congress voted to free the slaves in the District of Columbia, and 83 percent of Democrats voted to keep them in chains.
 * Michael Zak, "Who killed slavery?" (17 April 2006), The Washington Times

 * Thaddeus Stevens, not only did he oppose all things Democrat, he was one of the greatest Republicans who ever lived.
 * Michael Zak, "As in the Lincoln movie, Thaddeus Stevens is a hero of Back to Basics for the Republican Party" (29 January 2013), Grand Old Partisan

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Simon & Garfunkel

Simon and Garfunkel are an American popular music duo comprising Paul Simon and Arthur "Art" Garfunkel. They are well known for their close harmonies and sometimes unstable relationship. Simon and Garfunkel were among the most popular recording artists of the 1960s, and are best known for their songs "The Sound of Silence", "Mrs. Robinson", and "Bridge over Troubled Water". They have received several Grammys and are inductees of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and the Long Island Music Hall of Fame (2007). They have reunited on several occasions since their 1970 break-up, most famously for 1981's The Concert in Central Park, which attracted 500,000 people.

Song lyrics

 * All lyrics by Paul Simon, except as noted.

Wednesday Morning, 3 A.M. (1964)

 * Hello darkness, my old friend, I've come to talk with you again, Because a vision softly creeping, Left its seeds while I was sleeping. And the vision that was planted in my brain Still remains, Within the sound of silence.
 * The Sound of Silence

 * And in the naked light I saw Ten thousand people, maybe more. People talking without speaking, People hearing without listening, People writing songs that voices never share And no one dare Disturb the sound of silence.
 * The Sound of Silence

 * "Fools", said I, "You do not know Silence like a cancer grows.
 * The Sound of Silence

 * And the people bowed and prayed To the neon god they made. And the sign flashed out its warning, In the words that it was forming. And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls And tenement halls." And whisper'd in the sounds of silence.
 * The Sound of Silence

Sounds of Silence (1966)

 * I am a rock, I am an island. I've built walls, A fortress deep and mighty, That none may penetrate. I have no need of friendship; friendship causes pain. It's laughter and it's loving I disdain.
 * I Am a Rock

Parsley, Sage, Rosemary and Thyme (1966)

 * From the moment of my birth To the instant of my death, There are patterns I must follow Just as I must breathe each breath. Like a rat in a maze, The path before me lies. And the pattern never alters Until the rat dies.
 * Patterns

 * Hey sunshine, I haven't seen you in a long time. Why don't you show your face and bend my mind? These clouds stick to the sky, Like a floating question why. And they linger there to die. They don't know where they are going, and, my friend, neither do I.
 * Cloudy, written by Paul Simon and Bruce Woodley

 * I'm sitting in the railway station, Got a ticket to my destination. On a tour of one-night stands, my suitcase and guitar in hand. And ev'ry stop is neatly planned for a poet and a one-man band. Homeward bound, I wish I was Homeward bound. Home where my thought's escaping, Home where my music's playing, Home where my love lies waiting Silently for me.
 * Homeward Bound

 * Tonight I'll sing my songs again, I'll play the game and pretend. But all my words come back to me in shades of mediocrity Like emptiness in harmony I need someone to comfort me.
 * Homeward Bound

 * Slow down, you move too fast, You've got to make the morning last. Just kicking down the cobblestones, Looking for fun and feeling groovy. Ba da da da da da da, feeling groovy.
 * The 59th Street Bridge Song

 * And you read your Emily Dickinson, And I, my Robert Frost, And we note our place with bookmarkers That measure what we've lost.
 * The Dangling Conversation

The Graduate (1968)

 * And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson, Jesus loves you more than you will know, wo wo wo. God bless you please, Mrs. Robinson, Heaven holds a place for those who pray, hey hey hey. Hey hey hey.
 * Mrs. Robinson

 * Laugh about it, shout about it, When you've got to choose, Every way you look at it, you lose.
 * Mrs. Robinson

 * Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio? Our nation turns its lonely eyes to you, woo woo woo. What's that you say, Mrs. Robinson? Joltin' Joe has left and gone away, hey hey hey. Hey hey hey.
 * Mrs. Robinson

Bookends (1968)

 * "Let us be lovers, we'll marry our fortunes together. I've got some real estate here in my bag." So we bought a pack of cigarettes and Mrs. Wagner pies, And walked off to look for America.
 * America

 * Time, time, time, see what's become of me, While I looked around for my possibilities. I was so hard to please. But look around, Leaves are brown, And the sky is a hazy shade of winter.
 * A Hazy Shade of Winter

Bridge over Troubled Water (1970)

 * When you're weary, feeling small, When tears are in your eyes, I will dry them all; I'm on your side. When times get rough And friends just can't be found, Like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down. Like a bridge over troubled water, I will lay me down.
 * Bridge over Troubled Water

 * I'd rather be a hammer than a nail. Yes I would, if I only could, I surely would.
 * El Cóndor Pasa, written by Daniel Alomía Robles, English lyrics by Paul Simon

 * Cecilia, you're breaking my heart, You're shaking my confidence daily. Oh Cecilia, I'm down on my knees, I'm begging you please To come home. Come on home.
 * Cecilia

 * I am just a poor boy. Though my story's seldom told, I have squandered my resistance For a pocketful of mumbles, such are promises. All lies and jest Still a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.
 * ''The Boxer

 * When I left my home And my family, I was no more than a boy In the company of strangers In the quiet of the railway station, Running scared, Laying low, Seeking out the poorer quarters Where the ragged people go, Looking for the places Only they would know.
 * The Boxer

 * In the clearing stands a boxer, And a fighter by his trade. And he carries the reminders Of ev'ry glove that laid him down Or cut him till he cried out In his anger and his shame, "I am leaving, I am leaving." But the fighter still remains.
 * The Boxer

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User:Lullus~enwikiquote

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Talk:Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf

How many of these quotes can be verified? I heard that many of the quotes commonly cited have been exaggerated in the process of being translated from Arabic to English... --Bletch 01:22, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)
 * Most of the news conferences quoted were actually conducted in English. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 11:05, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

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 * After Iraq aborts the invasion that is being carried out by the American and British villains, the USA will no longer be a superpower. Its deterioration will be rapid. I say to those villains who are meeting in Europe, thinking of launching psychological war and brainwashing: wait. Do not be hasty because your disappointment will be huge. You will reap nothing from this aggressive war, which you launched on Iraq, except for disgrace and defeat.

 * Again, and according to my early estimates, unless the remaining part of their soldiers surrender, the chance for their survival is very slim.

 * Americans are now in disarray.

 * Blair...is accusing us of executing British soldiers. We want to tell him that we have not executed anybody. They are either killed in battle, most of them get killed because they are cowards anyway, the rest they just get captured.

 * Bush is a very stupid man. The American people are not stupid, they are very clever. I can't understand how such clever people came to elect such a stupid president.

 * Bush, Blair and Rumsfeld. They are the funny trio.

 * Bush, this man is a war criminal, and we will see that he is brought to trial.

 * Coalition forces have not crossed the Tigris River and are not approaching Baghdad.

 * Don't believe anything! We will chase the rascals back to London!

 * Faltering forces of infidels cannot just enter a country of 26 million people and lay besiege to them! They are the ones who will find themselves under siege. Therefore, in reality whatever this miserable Rumsfeld has been saying, he was talking about his own forces. Now even the American command is under siege.

 * God will roast their stomachs in hell at the hands of Iraqis.

 * I blame al-Jazeera — they are marketing for the Americans!
 * (In a video clip in the documentary Control Room, speaking in Arabic)

 * I warn al-Jazeera — stop your American propaganda.

 * I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place.

 * I can say, and I am responsible for what I am saying, that they have started to commit suicide under the walls of Baghdad. We will encourage them to commit more suicides quickly.

 * I have detailed information about the situation . . . which completely proves that what they allege are illusions. . . They lie every day.

 * I speak better English than this villain Bush.

 * I think this is very laughable for a Superpower to be so cheap, to drop inside Iraq such poor things — and they are printed in Kuwait.''
 * about leaflet drops by airplane.

 * I triple guarantee you, there are no American soldiers in Baghdad.

 * I would like to clarify a simple fact here: How can you lay siege to a whole country? Who is really under siege now? Baghdad cannot be besieged. Al-Nasiriyah cannot be besieged. Basra cannot be besieged.

 * In a few days, you will all witness something that can only be considered very beautiful against the Coalition forces. That, I assure you.

 * Iraqi fighters in Umm Qasr are giving the hordes of American and Brtish mercenaries the taste of definite death. We have drawn them into a quagmire and they will never get out of it.

 * Iraqi forces are still in control of the city, and they are engaging in an attrition war with the enemy.

 * It has been rumored that we have fired scud missiles into Kuwait. I am here now to tell you we do not have any scud missiles and I don't know why they were fired into Kuwait.

 * It's a small town, it has only a few docks... now they are in a trap.
 * Speaking of Umm Qasar

 * Let the American infidels bask in their illusion.

 * Listen, this explosion does not frighten us any longer. The cruise missiles do not frighten anyone. We are catching them like fish in a river. I mean here that over the past two days we managed to shoot down 196 missiles before they hit their target.

 * My feelings, as usual — we will slaughter them all.

 * No. I am not scared, and neither should you be!

 * NO! We have retaken the airport. There are NO Americans there. I will take you there and show you — in one hour!

 * On this occasion, I am not going to mention the number of the infidels who were killed and the number of destroyed vehicles. The operation continues.

 * Our armed forces, according to their tactics, are leaving the way open.

 * Our estimates are that none of them will come out alive unless they surrender to us quickly. They are completely surrounded now.

 * Our farmers, they are targeting accurately the enemy.

 * Our initial assessment is that they will all die.

 * Search for the truth. I tell you things and I always ask you to verify what I say. I told you yesterday that there was an attack and a retreat at Saddam's airport.

 * The Americans, they always depend on a method what I call ... stupid, silly. All I ask is check yourself. Do not, in fact, repeat their lies.

 * The British forces which were dropped there have been eliminated mostly on the field, except for those who fled ... It is a complete defeat ... Amazingly the Americans have pushed the British to do that. They pushed them ahead as if it is an experiment. The result was very tragic for the British.

 * The capital, especially the commandos, are getting ready to wipe them out.

 * The force that was in the airport, this force was destroyed.

 * The imperialist invading U.S. and British forces are like a snake that slithers all over the place but that doesn't control anything.

 * The Iraqi troops and the Iraqi fighters are in control of all the places, as we have witnessed. No big change in that. We are fighting against them.

 * The leader of the international criminal gang of bastards.
 * (about President Bush)

 * The midget Bush and that Rumsfield deserve only to be beaten with shoes by freedom-loving people everywhere.

 * The shock has backfired on them. They are shocked because of what they have seen. No one received them with roses. They were received with bombs, shoes and bullets. Now, the game has been exposed. Awe will backfire on them. This is the boa snake. We will extend it further and cut it the appropriate way.

 * The situation is excellent, they are going to try to approach Baghdad...and I believe their grave will be there.

 * Their forces committed suicide by the hundreds.... The battle is very fierce and God made us victorious. The fighting continues.

 * Their infidels are committing suicide by the hundreds on the gates of Baghdad. Be assured, Baghdad is safe, protected.

 * There are no American infidels in Baghdad. Never!

 * There are only two American tanks in the city.

 * There are no Iraqis disguising themselves.

 * These cowards have no morals. They have no shame about lying.

 * These images are not the suburbs of Baghdad. From what I glimpsed, these gardens with rows of palm trees on the side, which you saw in the images, are located in the south of Abu Ghraib, where we have surrounded the Americans and British.

 * They are achieving nothing; they are suffering from casualties. Those casualties are increasing, not decreasing.

 * They are becoming hysterical. This is the result of frustration.

 * They are deceiving their soldiers and their officers that aggressing against Iraq and invading Iraq will be like a picnic. This is a very stupid lie they are telling their soldiers, what they are facing is a definite death.

 * They are lying every day. They are lying always, and mainly they are lying to their public opinion.

 * They are not in Baghdad. They are not in control of any airport. I tell you this. It is all a lie. They lie. It is a Hollywood movie. You do not believe them.

 * They are not in Najaf. They are nowhere. They are on the moon. They are snakes in the desert...

 * They are nowhere near Baghdad. Their allegations are a cover-up for their failure.

 * They are nowhere near the airport ..they are lost in the desert...they can not read a compass...they are retarded.

 * They are retreating on all fronts. Their military effort is a subject of laughter throughout the world.

 * They are sick in their minds. They say they brought 65 tanks into center of city. I say to you this talk is not true. This is part of their sick mind.

 * They are trapped in Umm Qasr. They are trapped near Basra. They are trapped near Nasiriyah. They are trapped near Najaf. They are trapped everywhere.

 * They are trying to fool you. They are showing any old pictures of buildings. They even went into the VIP section of the airport, just because Saddam Hussein may have sat in such and such a chair or slept in such and such a bed.

 * They do not even have control over themselves! Do not believe them!

 * They fled. The American louts fled. Indeed, concerning the fighting waged by the heroes of the Arab Socialist Baath Party yesterday, one amazing thing really is the cowardice of the American soldiers. We had not anticipated this.

 * They think we are retarded — they are retarded.

 * They want to deceive their people first because now they are in a very shabby situation.

 * They're coming to surrender or be burned in their tanks.

 * This boa, the American columns, are being besieged between Basra and other towns north, west, south and west of Basra… Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there. But at the end we are the people who are laying siege to them. And it is not them who are besieging us.

 * Those Iraqi fighters are slapping those gangsters on the face, and then when they flee, they will kick their backsides.

 * Today I have visited whole Baghdad city, no invaders found. You go and see how we have ousted them from this city. They are crying outside and waiting to receive bullets. They will be killed shortly.

 * Today we slaughtered them in the airport. They are out of Saddam International Airport. The force that was in the airport, this force was destroyed.

 * Tonight, we will do something unconventional against them. This means: not by the military. We will do something that I believe will become a pretty example for those mercenaries. I would not be giving out a secret when I say that action in the dark against such mercenaries is effective, not through the action of armies. I say that dropping down those mercenaries in a surprise fashion at Saddam Airport without accurate calculations is largely meant for showing things. It's a showy operation. It is a kind of surprise muscle flexing to the world to show it that the shock and awe operation is indeed successful. May they be accursed.

 * What they say about a breakthrough is completely an illusion. They are sending their warplanes to fly very low in order to have vibrations on these sacred places. . . they are trying to crack the buildings by flying low over them.

 * We are in control. They are in a state of hysteria. Losers. They think that by killing civilians and trying to distort the feelings of the people that they will win. I think they will not win, those bastards.

 * We are not afraid of the Americans. Allah has condemned them. They are stupid. They are stupid — and they are condemned.

 * We are surrounding them and pounding them. The whole trend has changed and we are going to finalize this very soon.''

 * We are winning!

 * We besieged them and killed most of them, and I think we will finish them soon.

 * We blocked them inside the city. Their rear is blocked.

 * We expect the aggressors to use anything, we don't rule out that in their depression at being vanquished, those losers will become hysterical and commit even more folly.

 * We have destroyed 2 tanks, fighter planes, 2 helicopters and their shovels. We have driven them back.

 * We have shot down 2 Apache helicopters. Have the Americans said yet that they were shot down by their — what do they call it — friendly fire? No? Well — not yet!

 * We have them surrounded in their tanks.

 * We made them drink poison last night and Saddam Hussein's soldiers and his great forces gave the Americans a lesson which will not be forgotten by history. Truly.

 * We went into the airport and crushed them, we cleaned the whole place out, they were slaughtered

 * We will kill them all — most of them.

 * We will see how the issue will turn out when they come to Baghdad.

 * We will slaughter them, Bush Jr. and his international gang of bastards!

 * We will welcome them with bullets and shoes.

 * We're giving them a real lesson today. Heavy doesn't accurately describe the level of casualties we have inflicted.

 * We're going to drag the drunken, junkie nose of Bush through Iraq's desert, him and his follower dog Blair...There are 26 million Saddams in Iraq

 * We're now trying to exhaust them, until our leadership decides the time and method to clean our territory of their desecration.

 * Whenever we attack, they retreat. When we pound them with missiles and heavy artillery, they retreat even deeper. But when we stopped pounding, they pushed to the airport for propaganda purposes.''

 * Who are in control, they are not in control of anything — they don't even control themselves!

 * Yes, the American troops have advanced further. This will only make it easier for us to defeat them.

 * Yesterday, we slaughtered them and we will continue to slaughter them.

 * You can go and visit those places. Nothing there, nothing at all. There are Iraqi checkpoints. Everything is okay.

 * You think their tanks are in an endless line coming towards us? Wrong. They are only a few of them and they turn around and then return, as if to make a long snake.

 * We have placed them in a quagmire from which they can never emerge, except dead.

 * They're not even (within) 100 miles (of Baghdad). They are not in any place. They hold no place in Iraq. This is an illusion ... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion.

 * At Saddam Airport? Now that's just silly!
 * When told coalition troops occupied Baghdad airport

title: Talk:Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf


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Scott R. Kurtz (born March 15, 1971) is an American cartoonist who began his career with his daily strip, Captain Amazing, which appeared for four semesters in the University of North Texas college paper. His first work to appear on the internet was Wedlock and Samwise, which he began in 1998. His latest and longest running project, PvP appeared daily from May 4th 1998 to roughly 2013 when updates became less frequent due to other commitments.

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