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Thanks for adding the introduction to Clive Barker. I've added a cleanup tag -- please see Templates/People for standard people-article formatting -- and a category. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 08:49, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Who is this?
Hi! Thanks for all your work adding quotations to various articles and cleaning up. You added a quote to Despair by a "Howard Weinstein". This person has no wikiquote or wikipedia article. Please note that Wikiquote is NOT a place for quotations by unnotable people. If you have some information about who that is, please let me know. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 08:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

 * I've moved the quote by HW to the talk page. If you have evidence that he's notable, please mention the evidence on the talk page and add the quote back. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 06:13, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

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Alan Partridge

Alan Partridge is a fictional character portrayed by English comedian Steve Coogan. Two radio and four television series have presented this spoof television and radio presenter through his career - as well as several TV and radio specials, two books, a web series, plus appearances on the BBC's Comic Relief and a feature length film Alan Partridge: Alpha Papa.

The Day Today

 * Two fat ladies, 88! Not that you'd find these ladies at a bingo hall, of course... they're altogether a higher class of fat lady.
 * (commenting on random clips of football/soccer matches in a build up to the upcoming 1994 FIFA World Cup): Shit! Did you see that!? He must have a foot like a traction engine. Striker! And that, was a gooooooal! The proof is in the pudding and in this case the pudding, is a football...
 * Remember, lives matter.

Knowing Me, Knowing You with Alan Partridge

 * Could someone clear that shit away, please? It's just, it's in my picture. People may associate it with me.
 * Let me tell you something about the Titanic, people forget, people forget that on the Titanic's maiden voyage there were over 1000 miles of uneventful, very pleasurable cruising before it hit the iceberg!
 * Well at this stage of the show, some of my viewers maybe thinking "Alan, You're a liar! You promised that this show would be hot and now you're chatting to three senior citizens." But if I said I am now going to jump into a TARDIS, go back in time and recreate the Berlin Olympics with these three old women, you'd say "Alan, that is hot, we were wrong earlier."
 * You join us live at the Berlin Olympics on "Grandstand" in 1936 on this pleasant summer morning in Nazi Germany. Everyone's here. Hitler's in his box, Jesse Owens just waved to him. He doesn't like that.
 * You're not ordinary, you're French!
 * You're sacked! You are sacked, I'm sacking you. In fact, it's happened, it's over, it's already happened, you are a sacked man. You've been sacked. You're the subject of a sacking, I want you off these premises in 10 minutes. Knowing me, Alan Partridge, sacking you, Glenn Ponder. A-ha!
 * Throughout the questions I will be remaining impartial at all times. I will remain Pontius Partridge.
 * My face was designed as a leisure accessory.

I'm Alan Partridge

 * You know what this room says to me? Aqua. Which is French for water. It's like being inside an enormous Fox's Glacier Mint, which again, to me, is a bonus.
 * Would you like me to lap dance for you?
 * A detective series based in Norwich called "Swallow". Swallow is a detective who tackles vandalism. Bit of a maverick, not afraid to break the law if he thinks it's necessary. He's not a criminal, you know, but he will, perhaps, travel 80mph on the motorway if, for example, he wants to get somewhere quickly...Think about it. No one had heard of Oxford before Inspector Morse.
 * Monkey Tennis?
 * mmmmm Ladyboys.
 * Smell my cheese, you mother!
 * That was Big Yellow Taxi by Joni Mitchell, a song in which Joni complains they 'Paved paradise to put up a parking lot', a measure which actually would have alleviated traffic congestion on the outskirts of paradise, something which Joni singularly fails to point out, perhaps because it doesn't quite fit in with her blinkered view of the world. Nevertheless, nice song.
 * Let battle commence!
 * (talking to representative of a farming union): If you see a lovely field with a family having a picnic, and there's a nice pond in it, you fill in the pond with concrete, you plough the family into the field, you blow up the tree, and use the leaves to make a dress for your wife who's also your brother.
 * Jurassic Park!
 * I’m 47, my girlfriend's 33; she's 14 years younger than me: Back of the net!
 * I've got a girlfriend, she's only 33. Cashback!
 * Britain has some of the safest roads in Europe. But this isn't Britain...This is der Autobahn!
 * Right, I'll tell you an anecdote. In 1974 I was catching the London train from Crewe station. It was very crowded; I found myself in a last-minute rush for the one remaining seat beside a tall, good-looking man with collar-length hair, it was the seventies; buckaroo! I looked up and saw it was none other than Peter Purves, it was the height of his Blue Peter career. He said, "You jammy bastard" and quick as a flash, I replied, "Don't be blue, Peter!" Needless to say, I had the last laugh, now fuck off!
 * Not my words Carol, the words of Top Gear magazine!
 * I can read you like a book, and not a very good book. Especially no Bravo Two Zero by Andy McNabb, which actually improves with every read.
 * Lynn! I've pierced my foot on a spike!

Mid Morning Matters

 * I realised I had nothing to worry about. The man was a perfect gentleman. But if you told me 25 years ago that I would be talking about rigid inflatable hulls with Dale Winton I would probably have spat at you.

 * But not too informal; it's not Nigel Pinsent's "In Depth", but neither is it Wally Banter's Junk-Box

Alan Partridge: Welcome to the Places of My Life

 * Kids like to go to the zoo but the beasts I like to look at are made of zinc galvanised steel - they're cars.

Alpha Papa

 * I would've taken it off sooner but I was having a fascinating conversation with the proud father of Norfolk's most sun-tanned child. Just passed his details on to the Social Services.
 * Later we'll be taking dedications for anyone wrongly turned down for planning permission. Also, I'll be asking: Which is the worst monger? Fish, iron, rumour or war?
 * Never, never criticise Muslims. Only Christians. And Jews a little bit.
 * That was soft rock cocaine enthusiasts, Fleetwood Mac.
 * Lynn, get rid of her. She's a drunk racist. I'll tolerate one, but not both.
 * Do I look like I suffer from panic attacks? I've had one panic attack in a car wash. It was a perfect storm of no sleep, no wife, and angry brushes whirring towards me. By the time the giant hair dryer came on, I was in the footwell.
 * Let's not get into who hit who or, you know, who may have deserved it.
 * I'm not retreating, Pat's tugging me off.
 * As far as I'm concerned, Neil Diamond will always be King of the Jews.

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Robert Aumann

Robert Aumann (born 1930, in Frankfurt,Germany) is an Israeli mathematician, Professor Emeritus at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, who won the 2005 Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences.

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 * All these cries for peace we hear in Israel, especially from our side, do not bring peace any closer -- they only push it away. If you chase peace it only eludes you. That's not game theory; that's history.
 * From an article on Israel Hayom

 * We can trust only ourselves. The president of the United States has to look out for U.S. interests -- that is what he was elected to do. He does not have to look out for Israel's interests, nor do I expect him to. The bottom line is that Obama is president of the United States -- not the world -- so when it comes to Israel's interests I trust the prime minister's discretion.
 * From an article on Israel Hayom

 * The world aligns itself with those who are strong, even if they are the embodiment of evil. That is why [Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu's insistence on addressing Congress in an effort to prevent a deal between the United States and Iran is vital...
 * From an article on Israel Hayom

 * Capitulation, sycophancy, and cowardice will only undermine us... Sometimes, you have to courageously follow your own path and not try to curry favor with anyone.
 * From an article on Israel Hayom

 * It turns out that the Romans were champs in making peace. Their motto was that if you want to make peace, you need to prepare for war. They knew game theory.
 * Quoted by Elad Benari in The Frantic Desire for Peace Only Brings War.

 * The strong equilibrium point f just described is one of "unrelenting ferocity" against offenders. It exhibits a zeal for meting out justice that is entirely oblivious to the sometimes dire consequences to oneself or to the other faitheful——i.e., those who have not deviated.
 * "Acceptable Points in General Cooperative n-Person Games," in Contributions to the Theory of Games IV, Annals of Mathematics Study 40, edited by A. W. Tucker and R. D. Luce, Princeton University Press, 1959, pp. 287-324.

 * "Interactive Decision Theory" would perhaps be a more descriptive name for the discipline usually called Game Theory.
 * Robert Aumann (2000) Collected Papers: Vol. 1. p. 47

 * I think game theory creates ideas that are important in solving and approaching conflict in general.
 * Aumann in: "Game theorists share Nobel prize" bbc.co.uk. Monday, 10 October 2005

 * “Torah study is an intellectual pursuit, and honoring this ultimate value transfers to other pursuits as well, Jewish homes are full of books while other homes may or may not be. Jewish homes have overflowing bookshelves. Throughout the generations we have given great honor to this intellectual pursuit…Torah study makes the nation and its people of the finest and highest quality.”
 * Aumann said to Israel’s Army Radio. "Israel Today" israeltoday.co.il. December 03, 2013

War and peace (2005)
Robert J. Aumann (2005) WAR AND PEACE Prize Lecture1, December 8, 2005

 * I would like to suggest that we should perhaps change direction in our efforts to bring about world peace. Up to now all the effort has been put into resolving speciﬁc conﬂicts: India–Pakistan, North–South Ireland, various African wars, Balkan wars, Russia–Chechnya, Israel–Arab, etc., etc. I’d like to suggest that we should shift emphasis and study war in general.
 * p. 1

 * War has been with us ever since the dawn of civilization. Nothing has been more constant in history than war.
 * p. 1

 * A person’s behavior is rational if it is in his best interests, given his information.
 * p. 2

 * The theory of repeated games is able to account for phenomena such as altruism, cooperation, trust, loyalty, revenge, threats (self-destructive or otherwise) – phenomena that may at ﬁrst seem irrational – in terms of the “selﬁsh” utility-maximizing paradigm of game theory and neoclassical economics.
 * p. 3

 * The players in a game are said to be in strategic equilibrium (or simply equilibrium) when their play is mutually optimal: when the actions and plans of each player are rational in the given strategic environment – i.e., when each knows the actions and plans of the others.
 * p. 4

 * Repetition acts as an enforcement mechanism: It makes cooperation achievable when it is not achievable in the one-shot game, even when one replaces strategic equilibrium as the criterion for achievability by the more stringent requirement of perfect equilibrium.
 * p. 7

About Aumann

 * In many real-world situations, cooperation may be easier to sustain in a long-term relationship than in a single encounter. Analyses of short-run games are, thus, often too restrictive. Robert Aumann was the first to conduct a full-fledged formal analysis of so-called infinitely repeated games. His research identified exactly what outcomes can be upheld over time in long-run relations.
 * "Nobel Prize 2005 Press Release" 10 October 2005

 * He advised the audience to remember the Romans, and the fact that as "disagreeable" as they were, the Roman Empire ruled in peace for 400 years.
 * From an article on Israel Hayom

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Pratap Singh

Raman Pratap Singh (6 June 1950 – 18 May 2020) was the President of Fiji's National Federation Party (NFP). He is a lawyer and a former parliamentarian.

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 * Instead of sharing and co-existing, the people have retreated into their racial compartments instead of uniting both as communities and as a nation. Instead of uniting as a nation, our leaders have created a racial gulf that is tearing our island nation apart.
 * Fiji Day address, 10 October 2005

 * The NFP firmly believes that a society has to be created where all people irrespective of race feel peaceful and secure.
 * Fiji Day address, 10 October 2005

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Talk:Ferdinand Magellan

I should mention that I am new to Wikiquote although I have been a steady contributor to Wikipedia for a while now (under the same name). Please excuse my lack of experience with Wikiquote. However the long description Magellan's provides of experience does not really seem to be a quote in the normal sense of the word. I propose it be either wittled down or deleted altogether. Nothing personal. Martin-C 19:54, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
 * Extensive quotations are permitted, but as the translated quote of Antonio Pigafetta went into much preliminary detail about the final military excursion in which Magellan died, and this was already in Wikipedia, I removed some material and retained only the final passages that deal with Magellan's death; I used this more extensively though, and the length of quote is about the same. ~ Kalki 22:08, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Note stating that the misattributed quote here was actually from Galileo removed - Galileo did not say this either. Reference to White's Inventing the Flat Earth added for anyone wanting to know why supposed quotes about the Church teaching the earth was flat are false, considering historians now knowledge that the Church never maintained any such teaching. This error seems to be based on something the Church did teach - geocentrism - which is something else entirely. Thiudareiks 23:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Misattribution
It seems very likely that in his essay "Individuality", Robert Green Ingersoll was referring to History of the Intellectual Development of Europe (1863) by John William Draper:
 * "But, though the Church hath evermore from Holy Writ affirmed that the earth should be a wide-spread plain bordered by the waters, yet he [Magellan] comforted himself when he considered that in the eclipses of the moon the shadow cast of the earth is round; and as is the shadow, such, in like manner, is the substance." It was a stout heart - a heart of triple brass - which could thus, against such authority, extract unyielding faith from a shadow.

Given that the quote is expressed in the third person, it is certainly possible that the statement was made by one of Magellan's crew members or other associates. It is unlikely that Magellan would have made the statement, since Earth's sphericity was well-established when Magellan's voyage occurred, although Earth's size was still debated.

The quotation marks are noteworthy, suggesting that Draper is citing an earlier work, but Draper's work does not provide sources. And Ingersoll does not express much faith in Draper when he writes, "I believe it was Magellan who said ..."

It is interesting that a review of Draper's work was published in the May 1864 issue of The Atlantic Monthly (avoid paywall by clicking on the link here).

A scan of the revised edition of Draper's work (published in two volumes in 1900) is available: Volume 1 and Volume 2. The cited anecdote appears on Page 171 of Volume 2.

On this Talk page on 5/22/2023, I see numerous claims that the web is responsible for spreading the (likely false) attribution of this quotation to Magellan. Please note that the attribution was spreading long before the Internet existed. For example, the belief was attributed to Magellan by Minot Judson Savage in his poem Magellan. The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations Eighth Edition indicates that the poem was first published in 1883 but does not cite a source. The poem appeared in America to England, and other poems published in 1905 by The Knickerbocker Press (G. P. Putnam's Sons). Savage was a Unitarian minister and was almost certainly inspired to compose his poem by Robert Green Ingersoll's essay. As they say, a lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still pulling on her boots. The Internet did make the problem worse by spreading (mis)information faster, thus allowing less time for dispassionate contemplation.

I hope that authors of the Talk discussions below will remove them and enhance this discussion with any important points which I have neglected to include.

--OneSkyWalker (talk) 19:26, 28 May 2023 (UTC)

Attributing authorship squarely on Robert Green Ingersoll
As pointed out elsewhere, the real author of the Magellan quote was Robert Green Ingersoll. The words are found in the fourth paragraph of Ingersoll's essay entitled "Individuality" which was published in 1873. Here is the precise wording, "It is a blessed thing that in every age some one has had individuality enough and courage enough to stand by his own convictions, -- some one who had the grandeur to say his say. I believe it was Magellan who said, 'The church says the earth is flat; but I have seen its shadow on the moon, and I have more confidence even in a shadow than in the church.' On the prow of his ship were disobedience, defiance, scorn, and success."

As far as I can determine Dr. Tim Gorski is the first to make this discovery as may be seen in his website “Knowing What Ain’t So” at. Dr. Gorski is one of four founders of the The North Texas Church of Freethought.

The improbability of Magellan saying those words will be seen as obvious when one realizes the Catholic Church never insisted on the flatness of earth. What the Church pronounced as dogma was the notion the earth was center of the Universe. The sphericity of earth was long known for thousands of years even before Christ. In the 15th century Michael of Rhodes wrote a treatise on this as shown at this site [http://dibinst.mit.edu/michaelofrhodes/. ] There are surely over fifty sites on the Net where this quote is attributed to Magellan. Correcting this error is a herculean task but not impossible. There are site owners who're aware of the mistaken attribution but haven't quite resolved the issue of what to do or can't quite muster the nerve to accept error. One need not be a saint to know the moral obligation of correcting the error. I have called the attention of over a dozen site owners, and most have accepted with grace the necessity of attributing to Ingersoll squarely the authorship. Vicente Calibo de Jesus 12:20, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I can agree that it is very unlikely that Magellan said this, but I also must assert that the case of it originating with Ingersoll is far from proven, when the cited passage is not an exact match of the more commonly used phrase, and Ingersoll himself says he believed it to be Magellan who said such a thing. I am quite willing to admit Ingersoll could be in error on any number of things, but I believe him to be generally honest, and his expression indicates he had heard such an statement elsewhere. He might well have popularized it, but I doubt it originated with him. As to the accuracy of the page you cite "Knowing What Ain’t So" (the link to which I did retain on the page), though it points out a number of errors which are common on the internet, it also contains a number of errors or false presumptions itself, and simply for an example of it's deficiency, though not actual error, it indicates that Mark Twain attributed the statement "Lies, Damned Lies, and Statistics" to Disraeli, but fails to realize Twain's attribution is almost certainly an error. Accounts of such statements do not go back to Disraeli's time; one of the earliest known incidents of it thus far located is by Leonard H. Courtney. In an essay in The National Review [London] (1895), he himself attributes it to the Wise Statesman but it is not clear whether he had a specific individual, or perhaps some unknown pamphlet, or a general type of statesman in mind. The earliest published incident of the statement yet found is now one from 1892, though similar but not identical comments have been dated to at least 1885, regarding "liars, damned liars, and experts." ~ Kalki 14:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

See "Borrowed Words: Using the Words of Others to Express What We Want to Say" by Elizabeth Knowles, Editor, Oxford Dictionary of Quotations. "However, investigation reveals that its origins are rather more recent. It seems to go back the nineteenth-century American lawyer, orator and atheist Robert Green Ingersoll, in his The Gods and Other Lectures (1879)." --mikeu (talk) 16:34, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

Herculean task correcting Ingersoll's error
This quote which Ingersoll attributed to Magellan without citing his source or authority is all over the Web. Its constant repetition has acquired the patina of veracity but not one among those who quote the alleged Magellan words have bothered to trace its origin. You cannot trace it beyond Ingersoll. To have a sense of the herculean task of correcting this error, let me just enumerate a few of the over 211 sites where this quote appears:

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. Selling T-shirt with Magellan quote 6. 7. 8. 9. 10. 11.

Many of the owners or webmasters of these sites are now aware of the true provenance of the quote. A number have gracefully accepted Ingersoll's authorship and have consequently removed Magellan's name and replaced it with Ingersoll's. Others insist on Magellan's authorship leaving the issue at that.

The onus of proving the authenticity of the quote being Magellan's is squarely on those who assert its truthfulness. This can be easily proven or disproven by going to primary sources published at the time Ingersoll surmised Magellan said those words.

At the time Ingersoll wrote his essay "Individuality" the ff. primary sources were already published:

1. Antonio Pigafetta, Primo viaggio intorno al globo terracquio, ossia ragguaglio della navigazione...fatta dal cavaliere Antonio Pigafetta...orapublicato per la prima volta, tratto da un codice MS. Della biblioteca Ambrosiana di Milano e corredato di note da Carlo Amoretti. 1800. The French translation also by Amoretti was published the ff. year.

2. The Genoese Pilot. Navegacam e vyagem que fez Fernando de Magalhaes de Seuilha pera Maluco no anno de 1519 annos. 1826.

3. Francisco Albo, Diario o derrotero del viage de Magallanes desde el cabo de San Agustin en el Brasil, hasta el regreso a Espana de la nao Victoria. 1837.

The Last Will and Testament of Magellan came out only in its English translation in the biography by F.H.H. Guillemard in 1890. So this could not have been the authority of Ingersoll. And in any case there is nothing there that would suggest the quote Ingersoll conjures. In fact, the Will invokes all manners of divine intervention and other forms of religious ejaculations.

The other primary accounts came later than 1873, e.g., Gines de Mafra's account Libro que trata del descubrimiento y principio del Estrecho que se llama de Magallanes was published 1920. Martin de Ayamonte's brief account based on an interrogation by Portuguese authorities at Malacca came out only in 1933 in a book edited by Antonio Baiao in Arquivo Historico de Portugal, vol. I, fasc. 5, 6. The accounts by Pigafetta, Albo and the Genoese Pilot may be accessed in the book by Lord Stanley of Alderley, editor and translator, The First Voyage Around the World by Magellan, Hakluyt Society, 1874. This has been reprinted lately, I think only this year, 2007, and is readily available at Amazon.com.

I have read the primary sources, incldg. those published after 1873, there is nothing that's in some way, form, substance, shape, manner akin to Ingersoll's quote.

Is it possible there is a source somewhere in the ether that somehow will validate Ingersoll? In logic, that's called the fallacy of the possible proof. --Vicente Calibo de Jesus 03:28, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I will restate my own position that I agree it is extremely unlikely Magellan said this, but I also believe it unlikely to have originated with Ingersoll, though his remarks might well be the earliest published source we will ever find. The "Lies, damned lies, and statistics" quote mentioned above provides a similar situation, and could conceivably have originated in a meeting of the Royal Society of London on 5 December 1855 with a remark recorded by T. H. Huxley concerning "liars, damned liars, and experts" — though this remark in itself might have existed before that time, and who actually said it is not specified. I much prefer to be truthfully indefinite than untruthfully definite on the matter. ~ Kalki 14:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, if no earlier instances can actually be found prior to Ingersoll, I would recommend changing the section heading which contains it from "Disputed" to "Misattributed" with comments as to why this is considered to be the case. ~ Kalki 15:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Belief, possibility, probability, speculation, proof
In a world of infinite possibilities, it's even possible you can speculate Ingersoll's words to have been said by an infinite number of speakers out there in the infinite void. But historical truth deals with probability. And you ought to cite your evidence to an specific event. Until that time you're really embarked in endless speculation while the fact of Ingersoll's authorship is staring you in the face. Res ipsa loquitor. --Vicente Calibo de Jesus 07:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

 * The "fact" of Ingersoll's authorship is hardly "staring me in the face" when he himself introduces it with "I believe it was Magellan who said..." You are making an assumption that he must be lying on the matter. I am not leaping to any such conclusion, and am simply assuming he was being honest, that he actually believed the statement was made by Magellan, and agree that he almost certainly was in error. I have sufficient time or interest in seeking any possible occurrences of such a remark prior to him, and simply accepting the plausibility of his essay being the first published account that can currently be found will change the section heading to "Misattributed." ~ Kalki 09:25, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Was Ingersoll lying?
That's not my point nor did I say he lied. All I'm saying is it's not Magellan who said those words. The quote comes from Ingersoll, not partly but in whole. And he made it up. Whether his intention was to lie, I don't know nor is it important. To me. --Vicente Calibo de Jesus 03:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You are assuming he made it up. I do not believe the evidence is strong on that issue, though I personally have no doubt the claim he made about Magellan was erroneous. ~ Kalki 03:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

To assert is not to prove. Asserting he didn't make it up requires proof he didn't. What is your proof? To say it's somewhere there in the infinite void is to commit the fallacy of the possible proof. --Vicente Calibo de Jesus 03:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I had to break off earlier with some other business, and am just back on the internet... but am more than a little perplexed that you keep insisting that you have proof for something ultimately unprovable by the evidence available — that Ingersoll made it up and was lying — and that I must provide some "proof" for even disputing such claims as are no more solidly based on fact than Ingersoll's are. Everyone can have their opinions about the matter, but based on the evidence available no one can make any claim of "proof" and you are extremely exaggerating the strength of the case you have made against Ingersoll's honesty, even more than his words may have possibly exaggerated his confidence that such words were spoken by Magellan. This discussion is truly going nowhere — you seem to keep on insisting that Ingersoll should be labeled as certainly dishonest without actual proof of the matter, unless proof is provided that he wasn't.  I long ago conceded that the quote was almost certainly erroneous without insisting that there be any proof of a matter which is ultimately unprovable. You declare "To assert is not to prove. Asserting he didn't make it up requires proof he didn't." This is absurd. I am well aware that mere assertion is not proof, and I have not asserted he didn't make it up, I have simply asserted it is not proven that he did. In regard to Ingersoll's guilt, asserting he did make it up is what requires proof — not my insistence that it is not proven that he made it up. Once again: I do not, and never have argued that the Magellan quote is genuine; I have labeled it "Misattributed" because the evidence is overwhelmingly strong that it is misattributed. There is no similar overwhelming evidence that Ingersoll made it up or was lying, rather than being simply being in error, and mistaken. ~ Kalki 08:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

then he got really fat and stuff

Did Ingersoll err? Was he dishonest?
My contention is that the quote is not genuine. I showed it was a fabrication of Ingersoll. Was his error a product of dishonesty? It could have been a product of failed memory. Or idle thought. Or whatever ad infinitum. That's not essential to my argument. And it's not my point. All that I'm saying, and I have proven it, is it's not Magellan who said those words but Ingersoll.Vicente Calibo de Jesus 03:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have repeatedly agreed that I too believe that it is extremely unlikely Magellan said them, and accepted that it should be classified as misattributed, and I already have placed it in a section labeled that, but I am a person who tends to use the terms "prove" and "proof" in a very rigorous way — ultimately one cannot "prove" a someone didn't say something, only present strong evidence that they did or did not. I accept that the evidence is overwhelmingly strong enough that I don't believe dispute about its misattributed status is valid, but I think the comments below the quote are adequate about the available sources and don't know why the subject is being brought up again. ~ Kalki 03:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Here is the background of the quote with moon, but without church timed 1864: John William Draper’s History of the Intellectual Development of Europe (1864):  But though the church hath evermore from Holy Writ affirmed that the earth should be a wide-spread plain bordered by the waters, yet he [Magellan] comforted himself when he considered that in the eclipses of the moon the shadow cast of the earth is round. should be from Oxford Dictionary of Quotations. --Fg68at (talk) 21:34, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

 * Added to the box. I didn't cite Oxford Dictionary of Quotations as I don't know that's where it's from. Also edited the quote a bit, using a common variant that's closer to Ingersoll and not so awkward. Kwamikagami (talk) 00:25, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
 * I retained some of your additions, but restored the prior version as the primary one, for even though it has only hundreds of occurrences in a google search, the one you prefer had less than a dozen in a google search I just did. ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 00:42, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Original Research
This is kind of comical. You are saying Ingersol made a quote that was not sourced while you are making the point that you cannot find a source yourself - You are doing original research. You have no idea if Magellan said this or not, all you do know is that Ingersol did not source it. I wouldn't say you are biased, but you are biased and so is this article.

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Drake & Josh

 * Seasons: 1 2 3 4 | Main | Film: Merry Christmas, Drake & Josh

Drake & Josh is an American television sitcom created by Dan Schneider for Nickelodeon. The series follows the lives of two teenage boys with opposite personalities, Drake Parker (Drake Bell) and Josh Nichols (Josh Peck), who are stepbrothers.

Cast

 * Drake Bell as Drake Parker
 * Josh Peck as Josh Nichols
 * Miranda Cosgrove as Megan Parker
 * Nancy Sullivan as Audrey Parker Nichols
 * Jonathan Goldstein as Walter Nichols

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A Zed & Two Noughts

A Zed and Two Noughts is a 1985 film about twin zoologists who lose their wives in a car accident and become obsessed with decomposing animals.
 * Written and directed by Peter Greenaway

Alba Bewick

 * In the land of the legless the one-legged woman is queen.

 * Imagine that, the body - in all its delicious detail - fading away leaving a skeleton with iron legs.

Oliver Deuce

 * Pregnant women are notoriously unreliable. Especially when they're trying to procure an abortion.

Dialogue

 * Oswald Deuce: How fast does a woman decompose?
 * Oliver Deuce: Six months, maybe a year? Depends on the conditions.
 * Oswald Deuce: Does being pregnant make any difference?
 * Oliver Deuce: No.
 * Oswald Deuce: And the baby?
 * Oliver Deuce: How far gone was she?
 * Oswald Deuce: Perhaps ten weeks.
 * Oliver Deuce: Then you'd never know.
 * Oswald Deuce: [long pause] I cannot stand the idea of her rotting away. [short pause] What is the first thing that happens?
 * Oliver Deuce: The first thing that happens is bacteria set to work in the intestine.
 * Oswald Deuce: What sort of bacteria?
 * Oliver Deuce: [matter-of-factly] Bicosis populi. There are supposed to be 130,000 bicoses in each lick of a human tongue; 250,000 in a french kiss. First exchanged at the very beginning of creation when Adam kissed Eve.
 * Oswald Deuce: Suppose Eve kissed Adam.
 * Oliver Deuce: Unlikely. She used her first 100,000 on the apple.

 * Alba Bewick: I am about to become a mother, and you are about to become a father... or fathers.
 * Oswald Deuce: You what?
 * Oliver Deuce: You are?
 * Alba Bewick: I am.
 * Oswald Deuce: Good lord.
 * Oliver Deuce: You can?
 * Alba Bewick: Of course! Is leglessness a form of contraception?
 * Oswald Deuce: I'm not sure.
 * Alba Bewick: You're not sure!
 * Oswald Deuce: I'm delighted!
 * Alba Bewick: You are delighted! [suspiciously] A pregnant cripple and you are delighted? Think of what it will do to my sense of balance!
 * Oswald Deuce: It might help! Give you more stability.
 * Alba Bewick: Then you recommend it? Recommendation's one thing. A womb on crutches is another.
 * Oliver Deuce: So... who's the father?
 * Alba Bewick: Well, well, well. Why don't you discuss it between yourselves?
 * Oliver Deuce: Why, don't you know?
 * Alba Bewick: Grand dieu! Does an animal behaviorist need to ask such questions? As far as I'm concerned, you both are.
 * Oswald Deuce: But you...
 * Alba Bewick: NO BUTS! [smiling] You're brothers, aren't you? What's a few spermatozoa among brothers!

Cast

 * Andréa Ferréol - Alba Bewick
 * Brian Deacon - Oswald Deuce
 * Eric Deacon - Oliver Deuce
 * Frances Barber - Venus de Milo
 * Joss Ackland - Van Hoyten
 * Jim Davidson - Joshua Plate
 * Agnes Brulet as Beta Bewick
 * Guusje Van Tilborgh - Caterina Bolnes
 * Gerard Thoolen - Van Meegeren
 * Ken Campbell - Stephen Pipe
 * Wolf Kahler - Felipe Arc-en-Ciel
 * Geoffrey Palmer - Fallast

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User talk:132.241.245.49

The article on Christianity (and many others as well) certainly could use more work and less noxious additions, but views and expressions that might be foolish or unpopular with many cannot simply be excluded here for merely those reasons. ~ Kalki 22:28, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

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Nadja (film)

Nadja is a 1994 film about vampires.
 * Written and directed by Michael Almereyda.

Unseen. Unforgiving. Undead. taglines tune in, chill out, drop dead

Nadja

 * Life is full of pain, my pain is the pain of fleeting joy.
 * We have come for the body of Count Voivoida Armenios Ceauşescu Dracula. I believe there is a wooden stake in the heart.  You will take us to him.
 * At the morgue. And possibly a reference to Nicolae Ceauşescu the leader of communist Romania overthrown a few years earlier.

Van Helsing

 * He was like Elvis in the end. Drugged, confused, surrounded by zombies.
 * Describing the Count. See wikipedia on Elvis Presley.
 * He tried to change, tried to resist the usual pattern. He managed to show some restraint.  But she, she died in childbirth.  [...]  And after that he didn't care about anything.  It was back to basics.
 * Describing the Count. Back to basics could have been read by British audiences as a reference to that policy of the Conservative Party the previous year, and a derogatory reference given the context.  But this could have been accidental, given the film was an American production.)

Dialogue

 * Nadja (holding Lucy's pet tarantula Bela): What does he eat?
 * Lucy: Potatoes. Potato salad.  Deer[?].  I tried to teach him French but he wasn't interested.
 * Nadja: Maybe he has a learning disability.
 * "Deer" is hard to hear, maybe "Beer".

Taglines

 * Tune in, chill out, drop dead.
 * (A reference of course to turn on, tune in, drop out.)

 * Unseen. Unforgiving. Undead.

 * Hurry, The Dead Travel Fast!

Cast

 * Galaxy Craze—Lucy
 * Peter Fonda -- Van Helsing
 * Elina Löwensohn—the creature Nadja

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Nigel Rees

Nigel Rees (born 5 June 1944) is a British broadcaster, author, journalist and speaker. He compiled and presented Quote Unquote, a programme for BBC Radio 4 which ran from 1976 to 2021.

Quotes

 * My toils in the quotation field have led me to formulate two or three laws about the way people use and abuse quotations. My first law is: When in doubt, ascribe all quotations to Bernard Shaw – which I don't mean to be taken literally, but as a general observation of the habit people have of attaching remarks to the nearest obvious speaker.  Churchill, Wilde, Orson Welles and Alexander Woollcott are other useful figures upon whom to father remarks when you don't know who really said them.
 * Sayings of the Century (London: Allen & Unwin, 1987), p. iv.

 * An analogous process I shall call Churchillian Drift...Whereas quotations with an apothegmatic feel are normally ascribed to Shaw, those with a more grandiose or belligerent tone are, as if by osmosis, credited to Churchill. All humorous remarks obviously made by a female originated, of course, with Dorothy Parker.  All quotations in translation, on the other hand, should be attributed to Goethe (with 'I think' obligatory).
 * Brewer's Quotations (London: Cassell, 1994), p. x.
 * Adaptation of the original: "The Vagueness Is All" from Volume 2, Number 2, April 1993 issue of The “Quote... Unquote” Newsletter

 * I am only too aware that I am open to Rees's Second Law of Quotation: "However sure you are that you have attributed a quotation correctly, an earlier source will be pointed out to you."
 * Brewer's Quotations (London: Cassell, 1994), p. x.

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Margot Grahame

 Margot Grahame (20 February 1911 – 1 January 1982) was an English actress.

Quotes

 * Margo. The 'T' is silent as in Harlow.
 * When asked by Jean Harlow whether her name was pronounced "Margo" or "Margott".
 * Mark my words: great quotations and the stories behind them by Nigel Rees (2002), p. 63.
 * This exchange is also attributed to Margot Asquith, but Rees traces it to Grahame and concludes it was transferred to a more famous Margot when Margot Grahame's star waned. Apparently Grahame didn't intend a put-down and only realized later what she had said.

About

 * Margot Grahame, the countess, was a pouty siren known as "the Aluminum Blonde" — Britain's answer to Jean Harlow.
 * Lee Miller: a Life by Carolyn Burke (2005), p. 115.

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User talk:207.173.197.24

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The root of most evil is religion, with politics and capitalism making up the remainder. --Bill Adams--WaikoloaBill 04:37, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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Talk:Kenneth Tynan

Misattributed quote

 * Art is a private thing, the artist makes it for himself; a comprehensible work is the product of a journalist. We need works that are strong, straight, precise, and forever beyond understanding.
 * The actual source of this quote is "Dada Manifesto 1918" (March 23, 1918) by Tristan Tzara, as seen in the following selection (with the sourced words bolded):

"Art is a private affair, the artist produces it for himself; an intelligible work is the product of a journalist, and because at this moment it strikes my fancy to combine this monstrosity with oil paints: a paper tube simulating the metal that is automatically pressed and poured hatred cowardice villainy. The artist, the poet rejoice at the venom of the masses condensed into a section chief of this industry, he is happy to be insulted: it is a proof of his immutability. When a writer or artist is praised by the newspapers, it is proof of the intelligibility of his work: wretched lining of a coat for public use; tatters covering brutality, piss contributing to the warmth of an animal brooding vile instincts. Flabby, insipid flesh reproducing with the help of typographical microbes.

"We have thrown out the cry-baby in us. Any infiltration of this kind is candied diarrhea. To encourage this act is to digest it. What we need is works that are strong straight precise and forever beyond understanding. Logic is a complication. Logic is always wrong. It draws the thread of notions, words, in their formal exterior, toward illusory ends and centers."

Dada Manifesto 1918

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 * Thanks for the information. I have refmt'ed the "Misattribution" section to comply with WQ standards. First note that the Talk page is not the place to point for evidence, as it might gets archived and is not on many of our mirrors in any case. Succint reference to sources inside the article, as you've done, is quite enough. It is even better when wikilinks are added, of course - so I added a wikilink to the wikisource of Dada Manifesto, as well as to Tristan's WQ page. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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Why are some of the sentences in bold, and others in plain non-bolded text? The relevance of the different appearance is not explained. 2.28.151.139 12:51, 7 June 2019 (UTC)

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User talk:24.70.95.203

Hi. Thanks for your edits to Runaways. Wikiquote policy is that quotes should be on their source's page - in this case, the page for Rebel Without a Cause. Wikiquote doesn't have yet a page for this movie (but you're welcome to start one!). For this reason, I have moved the quote you added to Talk:Runaways with an explanation. Please feel free to further discuss the issue on Talk:Runaways. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for contributing quotes from issue 10 (it hasn't yet reached my comic book store -- I checked today, by chance!) I have fixed the formatting for it and for issue 9 quotes. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 19:24, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

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Pierre Charron

Pierre Charron (1541 – 16 November 1603) was a French philosopher, and a close friend of Michel de Montaigne.

Quotes

 * Despair is like forward children, who, when you take away one of their playthings, throw the rest into the fire for madness. It grows angry with itself, turns its own executioner, and revenges its misfortunes on its own head.
 * As quoted in Treasury of Thought : Forming an encyclopædia of quotation from ancient and modern authors (1894) edited by Maturin Murray Ballou, p. 123

De la sagesse (1601)

 * Treatise on Wisdom (1601)

 * The true science and study of man is man.
 * Book I, Preface, as quoted in The Oxford Dictionary of Quotations (1999) by Elizabeth M. Knowles

 * All Religions have this in common, that they are an outrage to common sense for they are pieced together out of a variety of elements, some of which seem so unworthy, sordid and at odds with man’s reason, that any strong and vigorous intelligence laughs at them; but others are so noble, illustrious, miraculous, and mysterious that the intellect can make no sense of them and finds them unpalatable. The human intellect is only capable of tackling mediocre subjects: it disdains petty subjects, and is startled by large ones. There is no reason to be surprised if it finds any religion hard to accept at first, for all are deficient in the mediocre and the commonplace, nor that it should require skill to induce belief. For the strong intellect laughs at religion, while the weak and superstitious mind marvels at it but is easily scandalized by it.
 * Book II, Ch. 5, p. 345, as quoted in Atheism from the Reformation to the Enlightenment (1992) edited by Michael Cyril William Hunter and David Wootton, p. 99

Quotes about Charron

 * His standpoint is invariably that of a human philosopher. The sceptic spirit which pervades the whole book allows it to be summed up in a very few words: by his own natural light and strength man is incapable of finding principles of religion and morality sufficiently certain; and, being sure of nothing, it is consequently wise to live as conveniently and pleasurably as the common usage of the people among whom one lives allows. No attempt is made anywhere in the body of the book to conceal the baldness of this doctrine.
 * The Catholic Encyclopedia, on Charron's De la sagesse (1601).

 * "All men," said a wise and good priest, "maintain that they hold and believe their religion (and all use the same jargon), not of man, nor of any creature, but of God. But to speak truly, without pretence or flattery, none of them do so; whatever they may say, religions are taught by human hands and means; take, for example, the way in which religions have been received by the world, the way in which they are still received every day by individuals; the nation, the country, the locality gives the religion; we belong to the religion of the place where we are born and brought up; we are baptised or circumcised, we are Christians, Jews, Mohametans before we know that we are men; we do not pick and choose our religion for see how ill the life and conduct agree with the religion, see for what slight and human causes men go against the teaching of their religion."—Charron, De la Sagesse.—It seems clear that the honest creed of the holy theologian of Condom would not have differed greatly from that of the Savoyard priest.
 * Jean Jacques Rousseau, Emile, Book V The Creed of the Savoyard Priest Foxley translation

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Sophie Swetchine

Anne Sophie Swetchine (November 22, 1782–1857), known as Madame Swetchine, was a Russian mystic who converted to Catholicism in 1815 and as a result was forced to emigrate to Paris.

Quotes

 * What is resignation? It is putting God between one's self and one's grief.
 * Reported in Josiah Hotchkiss Gilbert, Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers (1895), p. 511.

 * The only true method of action in this world is to be in it, but not of it.
 * Reported in Josiah Hotchkiss Gilbert, Dictionary of Burning Words of Brilliant Writers (1895), p. 622.

 * To love deeply in one direction makes us more loving in all others
 * Reported in, "Transform Your Life: 52 Brilliant Ideas for Becoming the Person You Want to Be" by Penny Ferguson, p. 167.

 * Youth should be a savings-bank.
 * Reported in Hoyt's New Cyclopedia Of Practical Quotations (1922), p. 921-24.

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Category talk:Pink Floyd

I didn't discover Pink Floyd until about the time they stopped being popular in the U.S. I feel a bit slighted, but am trying to catch up with the rest of their fans.

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Maurice (novel)

Maurice is a novel (written in 1912-1913, published posthumously in 1971) by E. M. Forster. It was dedicated to a happier year.

Part One

 * Puberty was there, but not intelligence, and manhood was stealing on him, as it always must, in a trance.

 * Then darkness rolled up again, the darkness that is primeval but not eternal, and yields to its own painful dawn.

 * He had been such a man all the evening, but the old feeling came over him as soon as his mother had kissed him good night.

 * He knew what it was, it reminded him of nothing horrible. But he was afraid.

 * Who was George? Nobody- just a common servant. Mother and Ada and Kitty were far more important. But he was too little to argue this. He did not even know that when he yielded to this sorrow he overcame the spectral and fell asleep.

 * Having been bullied as a new boy, he bullied others when they seemed unhappy or weak, not because he was cruel but because it was the proper thing to do.

 * He had lost the precocious clearness of the child which transfigures and explains the universe, offering answers of miraculous insight and beauty.

 * Maurice's secret life can be understood now; it was part brutal, part ideal, like his dreams.

 * He dared not to be kind- it was not the thing- still less to express his admiration in words. And the adored one would shake him off before long, and reduce him to sulks.

 * All that came out of the chaos were the two feelings of beauty and tenderness that he had first felt in a dream. They grew yearly, flourishing like plants that are all leaves and show no sign of flower.

 * Everyone and everything had suddenly harmonized. Was this the world?

 * Dr. Barry went on lecturing him, and under the cover of a friendly manner said much that gave pain.

 * He stood still in the darkness instead of groping about in it, as if this was the end for which body and soul had been so painfully prepared.

 * You could call your cousin a shit if you liked, but not a eunuch. Rotten style!

 * If obliged to ask himself, "What's all this?" he would have replied, "Durham is another of those boys in whom I was interested at school," but he was obliged to ask nothing, and merely went ahead with his mouth and his mind shut.

 * He didn't so much as have hopes, for hope distracts, and he had a great deal to see to.

 * When they sat it was nearly always in the same position- Maurice in a chair, and Durham at his feet, learning against him. In the world of their friends this attracted no notice. Maurice would stroke Durham's hair.

 * Durham couldn't do without him, and would be found at all hours curled up in his room and spoiling to argue.

 * The mist would lower again, he felt sure, and with an unhappy sigh, he pulled Durham's head against his knee, as though it was a talisman for clear living.

 * He loved men and always had loved them. He longed to embrace them and mingle his being with theirs. Now that the man who returned his love had been lost, he admitted this.

 * "Oh, you'll get out. It's only the Hell of Disgust. You've never done anything to be ashamed of, so you don't know what's really Hell."

Part Two

 * He could control the body; it was the tainted soul that mocked his prayers.

 * The man was bourgeois, unfinished and stupid- the worst of confidants.

 * They kissed, scarcely wishing it.

 * He had pretended to himself that he had enjoyed it, and thus increased his misery.

 * "I should have gone through life half awake if you'd had the decency to leave me alone."

 * Maurice did not interrupt: it was all charming nonesense to him.

 * No tradition overawed the boys. No convention settled what was poetic, what absurd. They were concerned with a passion that few English minds have admitted, and so created untrammled. Something of exquisite beauty arose in the mind of each at last, something unforgettable and eternal, but built of the humblest scraps of speech and from the simplest emotions.

 * Alive, but slightly absurd; they misunderstood him so utterly: they exposed their weakness when they thought themselves most acute. He could not help smiling.

 * It had not occurred to him before that neither he nor his friend would leave life behind him.

 * "For love to end where it begins is far more beautiful, and Nature knows it."

 * When love flies it is remembered not as love but as something else. Blessed are the uneducated, who forget it entirely, and are never conscious of folly or pruriency in the past, of long aimless conversations.

 * No argument ever touched her, because she was tenderness, who reconciles present with past.

Part Three

 * A refined nature would have behaved better and perhaps have suffered less.

 * What was the use of money-grubbing, eating, and playing games? That was all he did or had ever done.

 * He had accomplished an act of creation, and as he did so Death turned her head away.

 * To anyone he would have seemed beautiful, and to Maurice who reached him by two paths he became the World's desire.

 * The incestuous jealousy, the mortification, the rage at his past obtuseness- these might pass, and having done much harm they did pass.

 * Lust is negligible when absent.

 * The ethereal past had blinded him, and the highest happiness he could dream was a return to it.

 * What a solid young citizen he looked- quiet, honourable, prosperous without vulgarity. On such does England rely. Was it conceivable that on Sunday last he had nearly assaulted a boy?

 * Maurice stood over him, black-browed, and saw in this disgusting and dishonourable old age his own.

 * "I'm an unspeakable of the Oscar Wilde sort."

 * "The worst thing I could do for you is to discuss it."

Part Four

 * They slept separate at first, as if proximity harassed them, but towards morning a movement began, and they woke deep in each other's arms.

 * "Someone to last your whole life and you his. I suppose such a thing can't really happen outside sleep."

 * Each human being seemed new, and terrified him: he spoke to a race whose nature and numbers were unknown, and whose very food tasted poisonous.

 * "Nothing's the same for anyone. That's why life's this Hell, if you do a thing you're damned, and if you don't you're damned-"

 * I am perfectly aware I am only a servant that never presume on your loving kindness to take liberties or in any other way.

 * Science is better than sympathy, if only it is science.

 * He had acted wrongly, and was still being punished- but wrongly because he had tried to get the best of both worlds.

 * After all, is not a real Hell better than a manufactured Heaven?

 * He had begun rough and gay and somehow factitious, then his voice had died away into sadness as though truth had risen to the surface of the water and was unbearable.

 * Love was an emotion through which you occasionally enjoyed yourself. It could not do things.

 * "You care for me a little bit, I do think," he admitted, "but I can't hang all my life on a little bit. You don't. You hang yours on Anne. You don't worry whether your relation with her is platonic or not, you only know it's big enough to hang a life on."

 * "I was yours once till death if you'd cared to keep me, but I'm someone else's now - I can't hang about whining for ever- and he's mine in a way that shocks you, but why don't you stop being shocked, and attend to your own happiness?"

 * He had always liked his friend's laugh, and at such a moment the soft rumble of it reassured him; it suggested happiness and security.

 * They were his last words, because Maurice had disappeared thereabouts, leaving no trace of his presense except a little pile of the petals of the evening primrose, which mourned from the ground like an expiring fire.

 * He did not realize that this was the end, without twilight or compromise, that he should never cross Maurice's track again, nor speak to those who had seen him.

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User talk:128.253.179.145

Hi. You have removed a quote by Q in Star Trek without any comment. Quotes should never be removed without a comment in the edit summary, and should almost always be moved to the Talk page with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 06:36, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

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Quotes should never be removed without a comment in the edit summary, and should almost always be moved to the Talk page with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning. If it is a misattribution, the quote should not be removed, instead being moved to a "Misattributed" section, where explanation of the misattribution can be made in a subbullet. Thanks.

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User:MosheZadka/Articles

This is a list of articles that I believe each signify the best of what Wikiquote has to offer. If we ever manage to get a featured-article system off the ground, I would look here for the candidates.

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George Will

George Frederick Will (born 4 May 1941) is an American columnist, journalist, and author.

Quotes

 * If you reward bad behavior, you get more of it.
 * As quoted in "D.C. Riots" (January 2021), by Jay Nordlinger, National Review

1970s

 * A politician's words reveal less about what he thinks about his subject than what he thinks about his audience.
 * Quoted in A Ford Not A Lincoln (1975), Richard Reeves, Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, ch, 1 ; as cited by The Columbia Dictionary of Quotations (1993), ed. Robert Andrews, Columbia University Press, p. 707 ISBN 0231071949

1990s

 * Football combines the two worst things about America: it is violence punctuated by committee meetings
 * International Herald Tribune (7 May 1990)
 * Byrd [former Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia] rose to his current eminence from conditions of severe poverty, and he represents a poor state, so perhaps some of his grasping should be forgiven. Some, but not this egregious sort. His career has become a caricature of a particularly crass and cynical theory of representation. The theory is that election to Congress is tantamount to being dispatched to Washington on a looting raid for the enrichment of your state or district, and no other ethic need inhibit the feeding frenzy.
 * Restoration: Congress, Term Limits and the Recovery of Deliberative Democracy, Simon & Schuster (c. 1992), Chapter 1, p. 31 : ISBN 0029347130

 * There is an elegant memorial in Washington to Jefferson, but none to Hamilton. However, if you seek Hamilton's monument, look around. You are living in it. We honor Jefferson, but live in Hamilton's country, a mighty industrial nation with a strong central government.
 * Restoration: Congress, Term Limits and the Recovery of Deliberative Democracy, Simon & Schuster (c. 1992), Chapter 2, p. 167 : ISBN 0029347130

 * This is an age in which one cannot find common sense without a search warrant.
 * Column, May 9, 1996, "FDR's memorial hides character" at baltimoresun.com

 * The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised.
 * The Leveling Wind: politics, the culture, and other news, 1990-1994 (c. 1994), Will, Viking; as cited in Quotable Quotes (1997), Editors of Reader’s Digest, Penguin : ISBN 1606525956

2000s

 * The realistic way to reduce the amount of money in politics is to reduce the amount of politics in money -- the importance of government in allocating wealth and opportunity.
 * Column, April 12, 2001, "PACs and McCain-Feingold" at townhall.com.

 * Geology has joined biology in lowering mankind's self-esteem. Geology suggests how mankind's existence is contingent upon the geological consent of the planet.
 * from a review of Simon Winchester’s Krakatoa (2003), as quoted in The Oxford Dictionary of American Quotations (rev. 2005), ed. Rawson & Miner, Oxford University Press, p. 600: ISBN 0195168232

 * Liberals think their campaign against Wal-Mart is a way of introducing the subject of class into America's political argument, and they are more correct than they understand. Their campaign is liberalism as condescension. It is a philosophic repugnance toward markets, because consumer sovereignty results in the masses making messes. Liberals, aghast, see the choices Americans make with their dollars and their ballots and announce — yes, announce — that Americans are sorely in need of more supervision by . . . liberals.
 * Column, September 14, 2006, "Dems Vs. Wal-mart" at jewishworldreview.com.

 * When liberals' presidential nominees consistently fail to carry Kansas, liberals do not rush to read a book titled "What's the Matter With Liberals' Nominees?" No, the book they turned into a bestseller is titled "What's the Matter With Kansas?" Notice a pattern here?
 * Column, September 14, 2006, "Dems Vs. Wal-mart" at jewishworldreview.com.

 * Reformers desperate to resuscitate taxpayer funding [of elections] cite the supposedly scandalous fact that each party's 2008 presidential campaign may spend $500 million. If so, Americans volunteering to fund the dissemination of speech about candidates for the nation's most consequential office will contribute $1 billion, which is about half the sum they spend annually on Easter candy. Some scandal.
 * Column, September 28, 2006, "Checkout for an Undemocratic Checkoff" at jewishworldreview.com.

 * If, after the Foley episode – a maraschino cherry atop the Democrat’s delectable sundae of Republican miseries – the Democrats cannot gain 13 seats, they should go into another line of work.
 * Column, October 5, 2006, "What Goeth Before the Fall" at jewishworldreview.com.

 * A decrease in the quantity of legislation generally means an increase in the quality of life.
 * Column, December 23, 2007, "The Gift Of Doing Very Little" at washingtonpost.com.

 * For conservatives, seeing is believing; for liberals, believing is seeing.
 * Column, August 24, 2008, "Little Rhetoric Riding Hood" at jewishworldreview.com.

 * The people do not decide issues, they decide who shall decide.
 * Column, January 15, 2009, "Of Judges, By Judges, For Judges" at jewishworldreview.com.

 * The Obama administration's agenda of maximizing dependency involves political favoritism cloaked in the raiment of "economic planning" and "social justice" that somehow produce results superior to what markets produce when freedom allows merit to manifest itself, and incompetence to fail. The administration's central activity – the political allocation of wealth and opportunity – is not merely susceptible to corruption, it is corruption.”
 * Column, May 14, 2009, "Tincture of Lawlessness" at realclearpolitics.com.

2010s

 * The cultivation -- even celebration -- of victimhood by intellectuals, tort lawyers, politicians and the media is both cause and effect of today's culture of complaint.
 * “Afflicted By Comfort”, The Washington Post, (January 11, 2004)

 * [P]rogressivism's aim is the modification of (other people's) behavior... To progressives, the best thing about railroads is that people riding them are not in automobiles, which are subversive of the deference on which progressivism depends. Automobiles go hither and yon, wherever and whenever the driver desires, without timetables. Automobiles encourage people to think they—unsupervised, untutored, and unscripted—are masters of their fates. The automobile encourages people in delusions of adequacy, which make them resistant to government by experts who know what choices people should make. Time was, the progressive cry was "Workers of the world unite!" or "Power to the people!" Now it is less resonant: "All aboard!"
 * "Why Liberals Love Trains" (27 February 2011), Newsweek

 * I grew up in central Illinois midway between Chicago and St. Louis and I made an historic blunder. All my friends became Cardinals fans and grew up happy and liberal and I became a Cubs fan and grew up embittered and conservative.
 * Interview with Ken Burns in the PBS documentary Baseball

 * Machiavelli, however, took his bearings from people as they are. He defined the political project as making the best of this flawed material. He knew (in words Kant would write almost three centuries later) that nothing straight would be made from the crooked timber of humanity.
 * Speech at Washington University, Danforth Center for Religion and Politics, St. Louis, broadcast (4 December 2012)

 * Many of the words and numbers bandied by Obama and his administration may reflect an honest belief that the world is whatever well-intentioned people like them say about it. So, Obama's critics should reconsider their assumption that he is cynical. It is his sincerity that is scary.
 * Column, February 7, 2014, "President Obama's Magic Words and Numbers" at washingtonpost.com.

 * When a politician, on a subject implicating science — hard science, economic science, social science — says, ‘The debate is over,’ you may be sure of two things. It’s that the debate is raging and he’s losing it.
 * Discussion, Fox News Sunday, February 16, 2014

 * Capital is mobile. It goes where it is welcomed and stays where it is well-treated, so states compete to create tax and regulatory environments conducive to job creation. Liberals call this a "race to the bottom." Conservatives call it a race to rationality.
 * Column, February 18, 2014, "Breaking the grip of the unions" at washingtonpost.com.

 * When a politician says, concerning an issue involving science, that the debate is over, you may be sure the debate is rolling on and not going swimmingly for his side.
 * Column, February 26, 2014, "The liberal agenda: Being good to liberals" at ''washingtonpost.com'.

 * Someone who is determined to disbelieve something can manage to disregard an Everest of evidence for it.
 * Column, March 14, 2014, "Democrats are making income inequality worse" at washingtonpost.com

 * The family is the primary transmitter of social capital – the values and character traits that enable people to seize opportunities. Family structure is a primary predictor of an individual's life chances, and family disintegration is the principal cause of the intergenerational transmission of poverty.
 * Column, March 21, 2014, " Paul Ryan was right – poverty is a cultural problem" at washingtonpost.com.

 * Taking offense has become America’s national pastime; being theatrically offended supposedly signifies the exquisitely refined moral delicacy of people who feel entitled to pass through life without encountering ideas or practices that annoy them.
 * Column, May 7, 2014, "Thin skins and legislative prayer" at washingtonpost.com.

 * I believe the most important decision taken anywhere by anyone in the 20th century was the decision about where to locate the Princeton Graduate College. President of the University Thomas Woodrow Wilson wanted it down on the campus, integrated with the undergraduate college. His nemesis, Dean Andrew Fleming West, wanted it where it now is, up on a little hill overlooking the Princeton golf course. President Woodrow Wilson had one of his characteristic snits, resigned as president, went into politics and ruined the 20th century.
 * Remarks at the Disinvitation Dinner, William F. Buckley, Jr. Program at Yale (15 April 2015). Of his quip, Will remarked, "I simplify a bit and exaggerate somewhat."

2020s

 * Progressives understand that their program for a government-centered society becomes more plausible the more people believe that work—individual striving—is unavailing. Government grows as fatalism grows, and fatalism grows as progressivism inculcates in people the demoralizing—make that de-moralizing—belief that they are victims of circumstances.
 * “Purdue Has the President America Needs”, Washington Post (Jun. 15, 2016)

 * : Who do you plan to vote in November?
 * George Will: Biden.
 * Susan Page: Biden?
 * George Will: Oh yes.
 * Susan Page: Have you voted for a Democrat before?
 * George Will: Never.
 * Susan Page: First time you've ever voted for a Democrat for president.
 * George Will: That's right.
 * In an interview with for . Conservative Icon George Will Says He’ll Vote For Joe Biden In 2020 Election by Lee Moran,

 * I’m a big believer in parties, in party strength and party tickets. Not this year.
 * In an interview with for . As quoted in Conservative Icon George Will Says He’ll Vote For Joe Biden In 2020 Election by Lee Moran,

2021s

 * When there is no penalty for failure, failures proliferate.
 * “Opinion: Biden’s Afghanistan policy shows the world a wobbly, impulsive U.S.” The Washington Post, (Aug. 27, 2021)
 * In the immediate aftermath of the heroic rescue of soldiers from Dunkirk, Winston Churchill addressed the British as adults, reminding them that ‘wars are not won by evacuations.’
 * “Opinion: Biden’s Afghanistan policy shows the world a wobbly, impulsive U.S.” The Washington Post, (Aug. 27, 2021)

 * Orwellian is an overused adjective, but here it applies. In 1948 Orwell said watch the language because it becomes turned inside out. In Nineteen Eighty-Four love meant hate, war meant peace and on campus today diversity means enforced conformity.
 * Real Time With Bill Maher New Rule: Education, S19E26 Episode 576, HBO (September 10, 2021)

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