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Blood Diamond (film)

Blood Diamond is a 2006 film that follows a rare pink diamond found in Sierra Leone, and the effect it has on the man who finds it, a smuggler who wants it, and an American journalist trying to find and expose the truth about these "blood diamonds".
 * ''Directed by Edward Zwick. Written by Charles Leavitt (screenplay), Charles Leavitt and C. Gaby Mitchell (story).

It Will Cost You Everything taglines

Danny Archer

 * [as he hunts a baboon, visibly angry at Solomon over almost getting them killed the night before] You know I once had this buddy named Maboko. We used to hunt bushmeat together as kids, huh. Baboons.Baboons, they were the hardest to catch. They're... They're cunning. Cunning creatures. Fast, strong. Got good eyesight. We'd always find them by the smell of their shit and that's how we learned to track your black terrorists in Angola: by the smell of your shit. It's not the same as a baboon's but after you skin it the flesh of a baboon isn't all that different than a man's you know. I tell you, I can track anything. [takes carcass and wipes blood off knife with leaf] Risk my life like that again and I'll peel you face back off your head. You understand?

Solomon Vandy

 * [trying to reason with Dia, who has a gun aimed at him] You're Dia Vandy, of the proud Mende tribe. You are a good boy who loves soccer and school. Your mother loves you so much. She waits by the fire making plantains and red palm oil stew with your sister N'Yanda...and the new baby. [gradually gets closer] The cows wait for you. and Babu, the wild dog who minds no one but you. I know they made you do bad things, but you are not a bad boy. I am your father... who loves you. And you will come home with me and be my son again.

Captain Poison

 * [at an RUF labour mining camp where captive villagers are forced to mine for diamonds] The Freetown government and their white masters have raped your land to feed their greed! RUF have freed you! No more slave and master here! RUF is fighting for the people! RUF is FIGHTING for Sierra Leone! [sees a worker find a diamond and hide it in his mouth; speaks but not directly referring to the worker] Any bastard think he would joke with me diamond, I go cut he throat! STOP! [approaches the worker] Give it to me! [worker takes the diamond out of his mouth and hands it to Poison, who then shoots him]
 * [to Vandy] You think I am a devil, but only because I have lived in Hell. I want to get out.

Dialogue

 * Archer: Who do you think got you out of jail, huh!? That makes us partners!
 * Solomon: I am NOT your partner!

 * Maddy: You're using him.
 * Danny Archer: I am using him and you are using me and this is how it works, isn't it?

 * [Archer chances upon Maddy Bowen in a schoolroom, typing on her laptop]
 * Archer: [reads screen from just behind her] "In the 90-degree heat, Solomon Vandy drops to his knees rattling the wire with his powerful hands." [Mandy gets miffed at him] What?
 * Maddy: Nothing. Do you think I'm exploiting his grief? You're right. It's shit. It's like one of those infomercials. You know, the little black babies with swollen bellies and flies in their eyes. So here I've got dead mothers, I've got severed limbs, but it's nothing new. It might be enough to make people cry if they read it, maybe even write a check, but it's not gonna be enough to make it stop. I am sick of writing about victims, but it's all I can fucking do. Because I need facts. I need names. I need dates. I need pictures. I need bank accounts. People back home wouldn't buy a ring, if they knew it cost someone else their hand. But I can't write that story until I get facts that can be verified which is to say, until I find someone who will go on record. So if that is not you and you're not really gonna help me, and we're not really gonna screw then why don't you get the fuck out of my face and let me do my work?
 * Archer: Hmm wow. [chuckles] Do you know that Solomon thinks his son's gonna be a doctor one day? Maybe his baby dies in that camp. Maybe his daughter gets raped. Who knows, maybe both. Do you realize that that diamond is the only chance he has of getting his family out?
 * Maddy: You don't give a rat's ass..
 * Archer: Do you understand that?
 * Maddy: ... about his family.
 * Archer: Listen, I need to get to Kono, all right? The only way is with the press convoy. I'm a journalist, and he's my cameraman, all right?
 * Maddy: No.
 * Archer: Please, Maddy. Please. [puts hand on her shoulder]
 * Maddy: NO! [shakes him off]
 * Archer: [goes to window] After I smuggle the stones across the border, local buyers get them to a middleman in Monrovia.
 * Maddy: [interested at what he just said] Go on.
 * Archer: He pays off Customs and then certifies that the diamonds were mined in Liberia. That way, they can be legally exported. Now, once they've reached the buyers in Antwerp, [closes classroom door as he explains] diamonds are brought to the sorting tables, no more questions are asked. By the time they get to India, the dirty stones are mixed with the clean stones from all over the world, and then they become like any other diamonds.
 * Maddy: And Van De Kaap knows about all this?
 * Archer: When I get to London, I meet with Simmons. Supply and demand. You control the supply, and you keep the demand high. Now, there's an underground vault, where they put all the stones they buy up to keep off the market, so they can keep the price high. If rebels wanna flood the market with a billion dollars' worth of rough, a company like Van De Kaap, who says that they're rare, they can't afford to let that happen. Especially when they're telling some poor sod he's supposed to shell out three months' salary for an engagement ring. Now, technically speaking, they're not financing the war but creating a situation where it pays to keep it going. You understand?
 * Maddy: Yes. And where's my proof?
 * Archer: [shows her a black book, pointing out contents] Names, dates and numbered accounts. You publish one word of this story before I give them the stone and I'm dead, huh? After I give it to them, then... I leave this continent forever.
 * Maddy: If you don't come out with the diamond?
 * Archer: Then write whatever you want. I'm already dead.

 * [Archer visits an RUF hideout to talk to Commander Zero but wants nothing to do with Captain Rambo. They speak in Krio, Sierra Leoneian creole]
 * Commander Zero: Mistah Achah, Com' heah. You get som'ting for me.
 * Archer: Den you sef get som'ting for me, ah?
 * Commander Zero: You bring da plane com' firs'.
 * Archer: Are you craz'? You ge' fo' pay me firs' for dem. [Commander Zero walks over to Archer and hands him a small velvet bag. Archer opens it and examines the contents, but gets visibly disappointed] Dis, no fine, ah? Dis no fine.
 * Commander Zero: Dis no more you get, Poo'mui! [white boy]
 * Archer: Den you'n yo' boys den can use ona all rotten AK dem, against dem gov'ment troop, and den new weapons dem, ah?
 * Commander Zero: Maybe we just kill you and take away what you bring bok.
 * Archer: Then you get one more dede body, instead of aeroplane way-full wit' grenade launchahs! Som'ting I'm gon' go to dem gov'ment! Dem gov'ment, at least dem gon' pay me, ah? [tries to walk out]
 * Commander Zero: Wait, wait, my friend. Here is da ting you want. [Takes out a coffee can full of raw diamonds and pours them into Archer's hand] So many, I not know what do wit' dem all. Hey Achah! Next time, [taps Archer on the arm] you bring satellite TV, eh? I want see Baywatch!
 * Archer: Ja ja.

 * [Danny visits his old boss, Colonel Coetzee, in his vineyard]
 * Col. Coetzee: A deal went bad and you owe me money. I'll take a stone as payment.
 * Archer: D'you think if I found a stone like that, I'd still be on this continent? [Archer laughs] Come on!
 * Col. Coetzee: [smiles] Ach, Danny...give me your hand. [Archer extends his hand and Coetzee lets a fistful of red soil fall onto Archer's palm.] This red earth, it's in our skin. The Shona say the colour comes from all the blood that's being spilled fighting over the land. This is home. You'll never leave Africa.
 * Archer: If you say so, sir.

 * [Archer and Solomon trek but Solomon suddenly diverts]
 * Archer: Hold up there, my man. It's this way, huh? Where do you think you are going? Stop! [confronts Solomon] I said, stop! He is not down there, all right? [but Solomon shoves] All right. You're gonna need some of that old discipline, huh? Now you listen here, my boy, and you listen well. You are not going down there. Are we clear?
 * Solomon: You are not the master. [shoves back and walks on]
 * Archer: Right now, that is EXACTLY WHAT I AM, AND YOU’D BETTER REMEMBER IT, KAFFIR! [Solomon rushes him at the insult and they fight. As they struggle, Archer recovers and points his gun at Solomon] Don't you fucking move, huh? Don't you move. Don't you move, huh?
 * Solomon: My son is there!
 * Archer: Your son is GONE, huh?
 * Solomon: He is alive!
 * Archer: He's gone!
 * Solomon: He's alive! He's there with those crazy people! [Archer holds back] I am his father! His father! I should have protected him! I must go find him. I cannot live without knowing! Shoot me if you want, but I'm going. Why should it matter, I'm dead already!

 * [Solomon and Archer fight off Colonel Coetzee and his men, and Archer just shot the colonel]
 * Colonel Coetzee: TIA, huh, Danny?
 * Archer: TIA... [Archer shoots the colonel as the colonel draws his gun again; to Solomon] Keep digging, huh? They'be here any second. [tries to search Coetzee's body for more ammo, but suddenly feels he was also hit]

 * [Archer is dying from being shot to the side]
 * Archer: Take it.
 * Solomon: Mr. Archer...
 * Archer: Take it! Take it!
 * Solomon: I thought you'd steal it from me?
 * Archer: Ja, it occured to me, huh?
 * [Archer laughs]
 * Archer: Listen, this is Maddy's card, huh. You call her when you get to Conakry, alright? [giving Solomon his gun] And don't trust that pilot for a second. You point this at his head if he fucks around, alright?
 * Solomon: I can carry you.
 * Archer: You take your boy home, huh. You take him home.

 * [Archer calls Maddy while under fire]
 * Maddy: Hello, Maddy Bowen?
 * Archer: Thought I'd never call, huh?
 * Maddy: And I'm so glad you did. Um, when am I gonna see you?
 * Archer: Maddy, I want you to do me one more favor, huh? I want you to go meet Solomon. In Conakry.
 * Maddy: In Guinea. Why do you want me to go to Guinea?
 * Archer: We found his son, but he's gonna need some help. You understand? Maddy? [grunts]
 * Maddy: You're hurt. Are you hurt?
 * Archer: Ja, well, I've got a little problem here.
 * Maddy: OK, you, um, you tell me where you are. Archer?
 * Archer: [sees plane fly overhead] I'm looking at an incredible view right now. I wish you were here, Maddy.
 * Maddy: OK, then I'm coming to be with you. You just tell me where you are.
 * Archer: I don't think so.
 * Maddy: Are you still in Kono? Because I can get someone there to help you.
 * Archer: Maddy, you find someplace safe for the boy, alright? And keep him out of sight. And get Solomon to London. He's bringing something with him, and he's gonna need your help.
 * Maddy: Why aren't you bringing it yourself?
 * Archer: I'm saying it's a real story now, and you can write the hell out of it. I'm really happy I met you, you know that?
 * Maddy: [saddened knowing he's about to die] Yeah, I'm, um, I'm really happy I met you, too. And I wish I could be there with you.
 * Archer: That's alright. I'm exactly where I'm supposed to be. [hangs up, notices his blood mixing into the red Earth, and dies as the sun sets]

Taglines

 * It Will Cost You Everything
 * Fortune
 * Freedom
 * Truth
 * From the director of "Glory" and "The Last Samurai"
 * No one has found a diamond, Until Now

Cast

 * Leonardo DiCaprio - Danny Archer
 * Jennifer Connelly - Maddy Bowen
 * Djimon Hounsou - Solomon Vandy
 * Kagiso Kuypers - Dia Vandy
 * Arnold Vosloo - Colonel Coetzee
 * Antony Coleman - Cordell Brown
 * Benu Mabhena - Jassie Vandy
 * Anointing Lukola - N'Yanda Vandy
 * David Harewood - Captain Poison
 * Basil Wallace - Benjamin Kapanay
 * Jimi Mistry - Nabil
 * Michael Sheen - Rupert Simmons
 * Marius Weyers - Rudolf van de Kaap
 * Stephen Collins - Ambassador Walker
 * Ntare Mwine - M'Ed
 * Ato Essandoh - Captain "Rambo"
 * Gaurav Chopra - French journalist

title: Blood Diamond (film)


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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Warcraft

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The result was: replace with trimmed version. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:14, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Warcraft
This computer game article appears to be an attempt to document every utterance — no matter how trivial, inane, or unoriginal — from every character in every installment of the series, which is a blatant copyright violation. On top of that, it makes no attempt to identify where each specific "quote" can be found — instead, sorting it exclusively by character — making it totally impractical to attempt to verify anything. (This, by the way, is why I am so against grouping quotes by character, even for films — it confounds verification attempts.) Wikiquote is not a transcription service. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: replace. While there were more "delete" votes than "replace", I think that Wikiquote is better served by replacing the article than deleting it, and I believe that the new version adequately deals with the initial concerns that triggered most of the delete votes. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:02, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete unless article trimmed to pithy, original quotes identified by game and scene for sourcing purposes. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 00:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Replace with Robert's version (see below), by copy-and-paste (rather than delete-and-move) to preserve the edit history, but adding Robert's draft's history to the talk page so everyone gets proper credit. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:10, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete per Jeff Q. 121a0012 01:37, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * DO NOT DELETE: I don't think the page Warcraft violate copyright. It is nothing more than a list of dialogues. If it was true that the Warcraft did violtate copyright, then so did the page The_Matrix. Why not delete the page The_Matrix together? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Zhangyunfan (talk • contribs) 04:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete unless trimmed to essentials. I disagree that this is just like the page for The Matrix. For instance, many people say "yes", "no", "uh..." in that film without the page documenting it. There are MANY utterances in that film not listed in the page (though I do think the page should be trimmed). I think what we want to see in a Game or Movie or TV quote is something that EITHER is worth quoting on its own (like "There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path." in the Matrix) or that resonates with people who have seen the piece (like "Wake up, Neo." in the Matrix). Minor characters saying "yes" or "no" doesn't cut it. As for copyvio, the closer you come to copying every line from a piece, you farther you get from a reasonable defense for fair use. --Ubiquity 05:28, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was going to respond to Zhangyunfan's complaint in detail, but Ubiquity pretty much covered my thoughts. I would add that The Matrix probably could use some trimming, too, and I don't think its quotes collected by character are satisfactory because they also require watching the whole film to verify. But Warcraft's problem is much more severe, as (A) it makes no attempt to provide any contexts that could help an editor verify quotes, and (B) it appears to be a complete or nearly complete transcription, which is unarguably a copyvio. Even 10% of quoted dialog is beyond fair use. It must be a select, pithy subset. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:17, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I concur with Ubiquity and Jeffq. —LrdChaos (talk) 15:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete, concur with Jeffq & Ubiquity. ~ UDScott 15:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: I have an extremely trimmed-down version of the article at User:Jaxl/Warcraft if anyone wants to take a look and see if that is an acceptable replacement. (I own two of the games in the series, so I can certainly provide more quotes if needed). -- Robert 16:36, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: Robert, this version looks much better -- I would vote to trim the existing page down to something like this (I'm assuming you are still working on it). Good job! ~ UDScott 16:45, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree that Robert's version is much more in line with WQ article expectations. The quotes he selected seem pithy and unique enough, too. There may be more from the current article that can be salvaged; I'm not especially concerned about the quantity as long as it's well below copyvio limits. Robert's version may or may not be the best end result, but it is at least the model to follow. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:13, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Replace with Robert's version of article. - InvisibleSun 22:50, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Replace with trimmed version. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 18:44, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Speculation

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The result was: move to Investment. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:15, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Speculation
Only one quote, already adequately covered in the Warren Buffett page. I'm of the opinion that there isn't enough here to make an entire theme (as opposed to a section of a finance page, for example). 121a0012 02:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: move to Investment. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:09, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Comment: I'm a bit undecided about this one. It's a bit verbose for an optimal quote here. But if it had a proper (published, reliable) source, I could see keeping it in a theme article. But "Speculation" does seem a bit too specific when we don't even have an article on Finance yet. On the other hand, Economics may be too broad a theme. Maybe we could move this to "Finance", then create a Category:Economics to place both articles in (along with any others of this ilk)? ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:00, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Move to Investment. I think there is a potentially good theme page in the making for quotes about risking money on stocks etc., but it needs to be made more general. Economics is too broad and to me it would mean either an academic approach or looking at government economic policies. I agree with Jeff Q about the category. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 11:46, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Either Delete or Move, per Fys (if there is enough material to create the appropriate theme article. ~ UDScott 16:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete or move based on sourced material, per UDScott and Fys. If we move, we should probably place the current quote (assuming it remains) under a sub-topic of "Speculation" so it's clear this article would include variations on the general theme of investment, and those variations would require explicit mention of the sub-topic. (Otherwise we may get all sorts of quotes only tangentially related to investment, e.g., the "greed is good" speech from Wall Street.) ~ Jeff Q (talk) 19:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Move to Investment, per Fys. "Speculation" is too specific, and the Economics page (which I've just tagged as needing cleanup) seems to be more quotes of people talking about the science of economics in general, as opposed to any specific subpart. —LrdChaos (talk) 20:10, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Kedar Joshi

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The result was: delete. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:17, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Kedar Joshi
Seems to be an attempt at puffery. The book cited is a vanity-press publication, and all of the other sources seem to be associated either with the anon who created this article or the subject (who, I suggest, may be one and the same). 121a0012 06:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: delete (six votes to delete, two votes to keep). —LrdChaos (talk) 16:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. Too bad in a way, I like some of the quotes, but it is a vanity page. I looked up Joshi's vanity press book on Amazon, and it has one review — by Joshi himself. There are thousands of hits on him in google but damned if they aren't all his own work -- his blog, his profiles, his storefront, his reviews of his own work. The man seems like an indefatiguable self-promoter. I could not find a single appreciation of his work by a second party. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ubiquity (talk • contribs) 08:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. No publications in the Library of Congress. He does have several publications in the British Library Catalogue, although they are listed as published by "Author". No mentions in British press in at least the last decade. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 09:58, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. I also note that Kedar Joshi was apparently deleted a while back for the same reason (see w:User talk:Mark C Lipton), even though I found no AfD or VfD for it. (Possibly a speedy-deletion or a prod?) The only other traces of Joshi I found were w:User talk:KedarJoshi (suggesting Joshi is at least aware of if not directly involved in these articles); some Joshi material to Controversial science (which I've removed) that was added by w:User:61.17.193.192 (our was the major contributor to our Kedar Joshi article); and a section in Perceptual dynamics, a rather wooly and mostly unsourced article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 11:53, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There are two entries in Wikipedia's deletion log:
 * 03:51, June 24, 2006 Makemi (Talk | contribs) deleted "Kedar Joshi" (nn-bio)
 * 08:47, June 22, 2006 Kcordina (Talk | contribs) deleted "Kedar Joshi" (Copyvio)
 * Of note is that the Wikiquote article was created on June 25. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 12:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete. —LrdChaos (talk) 15:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ UDScott 16:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep. ive read a ton of this guys work. hes awesome. if this isnt a voting process why do you guys insist on voting and leaving no feedback as to why your opinion of delete should even be considered? Chadbishop 18:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Participants in VfD discussions are expected to read Deletion policy before participating, as it says — in bold type — at the top of this page. Votes here are counted based on the policies described there. To answer your second question specifically, we count votes from any editor who shows at least a minimal interest in Wikiquote in general (i.e., not just here to push a particular article), signs their vote properly, and doesn't attempt to disrupt the discussion by forging signatures, changing votes, or committing other forms of vandalism. As to the first question, the phrase "this is not a vote" (that you picked up during the VfD on "Chad Bishop") is shorthand for the idea that we don't allow ballot stuffing by editors whose only editing at Wikiquote is to push a view regardless of project policy. We require all editors, even (and especially) sysops, to abide by these policies. We have had discussions about how to change the name of this page to reduce the confusion, but we have achieved no community consensus on this yet. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * To add just one more point to Jeff's words above, when you see an opinion rendered as just a Delete, usually the editor simply agrees with what has been written above and does not feel the need to repeat the reasons already articulated. That is usually my intent, and I usually opt for this tacit, assumed agreement when there are many VFD nominations to review. It does not mean that I have not reflected on the article and reviewed it before entering my opinion. I usually will only enter more comments when I do not feel the argument has been fully made. ~ UDScott 20:25, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 22:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Keep.- Joshi’s works are cited in The Philosopher’s Index. -Mark
 * ...As are the works of anyone else who sends copies to the Philosopher's Information Center. As noted earlier, Joshi seems to like to promote himself. I'm sure he sends a copy of each of his vanity press books to the Index. --Ubiquity 12:46, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Balboa High School (San Francisco)

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The result was: delete. —LrdChaos (talk) 16:16, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Balboa High School (San Francisco)
I don't see anything that convinces me that this high school is any more notable than thousands of others in the U.S., and I think that it would be a bad precedent for us to start letting pages for high schools stand. Of the two quotes presently on the page, one is just a student talking about the school (it just happens to have been quoted in a newspaper article) and the other is from Jerry Garcia, who, according to the school's Wikipedia article, dropped out of the school. Having notable alumni does not necessarily make a school notable; my high school isn't notable on any large level, but has had several notable alumni (including Samuel Alito). —LrdChaos (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: delete (four votes to delete, one vote to merge/redirect). —LrdChaos (talk) 16:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete. —LrdChaos (talk) 15:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. ~ UDScott 16:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Delete. Concur with LrdChaos about avoiding high school articles, which are controversial even on Wikipedia (with 2 orders of magnitude more articles). One of my friends from high school was quoted in our city newspaper, too. Not everything that makes it into an established newspaper should necessarily make it into Wikiquote. As for the Garcia quote, it doesn't even mention Balboa specifically. I interpret Garcia's use of "all that high school shit" as talking not about the school per se, but the time of life, something he clearly expected many non-Balboa alums to recognize. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:23, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Comment. I'm the fool who started the article inspired by and perhaps wondering if cleanup (for the same reasons) should occur at Stuyvesant High School. JeffQ, the context in the source is clearly about Balboa. 71.146.158.146 21:55, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

 * CommentThe only possible reason I see for (vfd) is "No potential to become a proper Wikiquote page." Exclusive of the Soohoo quote, I've seen no compelling reason under WQ:NOT why it should be deleted.  A bias against high school articles or any article for that matter simply because of a WP controversy should be irrelevant, the Garcia quote is righteous per Wikiquote(primacy of quote notability not necessarily of the article). By this logic the article deserves at most a cleanup or merge tag.  In the context of the entire source interview, the quote clearly reflects the formative conditions at Balboa for Garcia.   71.146.158.146 00:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Comment: This is a difficult subject area, made all the more difficult by the "common law" approach the Wikiquote community has taken towards deletion. In general, pages are subject to deletion if similar pages have been deleted in the past; WQ:NOT and the Deletion policy do not necessarily reflect the current community consensus as has developed here (and is documented in the VfD archives).  We have in the recent past taken a tougher line on theme pages than the official policies would indicate.  That said, I don't see any a priori reason to delete this page (or Stuyvesant High School, for that matter), provided that there is enough original, quotable, verifiable material about Balboa High from notable sources.  We have tended to delete theme pages that don't start life with a critical mass of quotations; since the people quoted must be notable, quotes from a runt theme stub can always live on the quotees' own pages until such time as there are a sufficient number.  121a0012 01:27, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Comment:
 * First of all, 71.146.158.146, thank you for reading the pages you cite. It's refreshing to see a new editor read some policy material before making arguments. I hope that, whatever happens with this article, you will continue to work on Wikiquote.
 * As for Stuyvesant High School, I find that article much worse than this one, and will probably nominate it for deletion as well. (Very few quotes have reliable sources, based on a quick check of the links and text.)
 * I believe you are wrong about the context "clearly" being about Balboa. There is nothing in the quoted text that suggests that Garcia meant "all that Balboa High School shit that was so heavy in the '50s", especially given that nothing else in the text even suggests a scene unique to high schools in general, let alone Balboa. (Or are you suggesting that Garcia meant that the gangs were cruising and drinking on school grounds, or that the "tops of the hills" he referred to were the campus?) I stand by my statement that Garcia appears to be talking about the experiences of "high school age shit", not that of his particular school. If the citation in the book mentioned says otherwise, that should be noted.
 * Please also note that "notability", in that a quote is "noteworthy", is not the same thing as "interesting", which is a common confusion. When we say notable, we mean something that appears in enough reliable sources that we can prove its noteworthiness. This is the same kind of evidence-based threshold that Wikipedia uses, which is why we consider arguments made on Wikipedia to be useful (not necessarily definitive) to our own determinations. There are many Wikiquote articles that do not, at any given time, conform to this ideal, but that is a consequence of having very few regular editors and lots of newer ones who don't know or don't care about Wikiquote's purposes. That is why we have this VfD page, which, by the way, often stimulates revisions rather than deletions.
 * All that said, however, I have no problem with keeping the article if we can find at least a core set of quotes about the school (not just taking place in the school, or about the adventures of attendees) with a hope of making a proper Wikiquote article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 02:01, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Delete. - InvisibleSun 22:57, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Merge and redirect to Education, with a note of the particular school referred to. I would do the same to the Stuyvesant article too. Fys. “Ta fys aym”. 18:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.


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Lucas (film)

Lucas is a 1986 film about a young nerdy boy who hopes to gain acceptance in a high school by not backing down against the school bullies.
 * Written and directed by David Seltzer.

It's about falling in love. For the first time. taglines

Dialogue

 * Bruno: Luke, Luke! Get that ball away and puke! Ben and Luke! I'm going to puke!
 * Lucas: Let's go...
 * Ben: Don't let him scare you away!
 * Lucas: Scare me away?
 * Ben: Yeah, just tell him to eat shit.

 * Bruno: What are you always sticking up for this wimp for?
 * Cappie: Why are you always picking on him?

 * Maggie: Why do they call you leukoplakia? Does it mean something?
 * Lucas: Leukoplakia is cancer of the mouth.

 * Maggie: I think I'm going to do this today.
 * Lucas: Cheerleading?
 * Maggie: Well, check it out.
 * Lucas: What for?
 * Maggie: I might want to do it.
 * Lucas: What, be a cheerleader?
 * Maggie: I don't know. Is that all right, Lucas?
 * [Lucas shrugs his shoulders]
 * Maggie: Well, the way you were looking at me.
 * Lucas: Whatever. We can collect tadpoles tomorrow.
 * Maggie: Well, If I like it, I will be doing it tomorrow, too. They practice everyday.
 * [Lucas hangs his head]
 * Maggie: It sounds like fun, Lucas. well, didn't you hear what they said? Away games and buses and stuff.
 * Lucas: I guess everybody has their own idea of fun. Some people go to football games. Other people do less superficial things.
 * Maggie: Look, just because you don't approve of something, doesn't mean other people don't have a right to enjoy it. You're in the band aren't you?
 * Lucas: Yeah?
 * Maggie: So?
 * Lucas: So?
 * Maggie: So the band goes to football games!
 * Lucas: We're totally different!
 * Maggie: Why?
 * Lucas: Because the band does not have fun there!
 * Maggie: Then why do you do it?
 * Lucas: I don't know.
 * Maggie: Well, figure it out, and in the meantime don't call people superficial because they just want to have fun. Look, I'm new here. I don't know anybody. Why can't you be helpful and understanding about that?
 * [Maggie runs off]

 * Cappie: I'm just being nice to her.
 * Alise: Well, stop being nice to her! I don't want you talking to her anymore, I don't want to turn around and see you walking with her and smiling at her. I don't want her in this car on Friday night. We're not giving her any ride to any goddamn dance, she can put her fat ass on the back of Lucas's bike where it damn well belongs!

 * [Lucas shows up to Maggie's house ready to go to the school dance with Cappie and Alise as a double date]
 * Lucas: So, you ready to go?
 * Maggie: I don't think we can go, Lucas.
 * Lucas: Why not?
 * Maggie: Cappie and Alise broke up today.
 * Lucas: But aren't they here?
 * Maggie: Cappie's here, and he's very depressed. Sit down.
 * [Lucas sits with Maggie outside her front door]
 * Maggie: She was jealous, or she doesn't like me or something. She said she'd break up with him if he went through with it. She didn't want to go with us, Luke. So, I think we have to call it off.
 * Lucas: I have my bike. We can still go.
 * Maggie: He kind of needs someone with him tonight. I don't want to leave him by himself. He had tears in his eyes when he came over tonight. Can you imagine that big, strong guy crying?
 * [Cappie walks out of the house and sits between Maggie and Lucas]
 * Cappie: Hi, Luke. I am sorry, Bud. Am I a drag, or what?
 * Lucas: Listen. I think you should come to the dance with us. I think it'd cheer you up.
 * Cappie: Naw. I'd feel like a third wheel. We were thinking of going out for a pizza. Why don't you come with us?
 * Maggie: Yeah, why don't you?
 * Lucas: You're going out for pizza.
 * Cappie: Well, it's just a suggestion.
 * Lucas: If you're so depressed how come you're eating pizza?
 * Cappie: Maybe I should just go home.
 * Lucas: No. Go eat pizza. Don't let me spoil your depression.
 * [Lucas runs to get his bike as Maggie runs behind him]
 * Maggie: Are you okay? Where are you going?
 * Lucas: To the dance.
 * Maggie: By yourself?
 * Lucas: Hey, I'm a party animal.
 * [Lucas gets on his bike and rides away]

 * Maggie: Do you believe in destiny? Is that why you flip coins?
 * Cappie: I guess so. Do you?
 * Maggie: I'm interested in destiny.
 * Cappie: Yeah? What else are you interested in?
 * Maggie: A lot of things.
 * Cappie: Things like...
 * Maggie: Like...
 * Cappie: Like politics?
 * Maggie: So-so.
 * Cappie: Yeah. Are you interested in wide receivers?
 * Maggie: What's that?
 * Cappie: The position I play.
 * Cappie: [laughs] Oh, is that what you play? Sort of.
 * Cappie: Are you interested in cars?
 * Maggie: No.
 * Cappie: No. Are you interested in being kissed?
 * Maggie: Yes.
 * [Cappie kisses Maggie on the lips as Lucas watches from a distance]

 * Coach: What the hell are you?
 * Lucas: Excuse me?
 * Coach: Who suited you up?
 * Lucas: Well, I'd like to speak to you about that. This equipment just doesn't fit.
 * Coach: No, that's not the problem. It's you that don't fit. Now go turn it in.
 * Lucas: Excuse me. I can run really fast when I concentrate.
 * Coach: I said turn it in. Now, get off the field. [yells to the other players] All right, everybody inside for chalk talk! Shower up, first. Let's go, go, go, go, go, go!
 * Lucas: You're making a big mistake. I'll be good at this. I can lower my center of gravity. See? Look. [Lucas does a few little spins left and right] See? And my size, I gotta run fast. If they catch me, I'm dead.
 * Coach: Just, listen, little buddy. We got our first game this Saturday against Rockford and I don't have time to dick around with you.
 * Lucas: Well, I'm afraid... you'll have to, sir... dick around with me. The Supreme Court, by virtue of the sexual discrimination act says, that if anyone tries out for a team sport has to be given the same chance as everyone else. Now, if you wish to cut me based on my performance, that's your right, but I'll take you to court if you try it before.
 * Coach: What's this shit?
 * Lucas: I looked it up. My family's in law.
 * [Lucas walks off the field as Coach Boyd looks at him with his mouth open]

 * Bruno: Leukoplakia! They actually found a jock strap to fit you? Somebody should stop by home ec. tomorrow to pick up a thimble. Or maybe a thimble is too big. How about a contact lens and a band aid?
 * Lucas: Are you referring to the size of my penis?
 * Bruno: Yeah, I am.
 * Lucas: With a flaccid penis, it's the number of folds that count. Besides, I'm not semi-erect like some of you guys here.
 * Bruno: What did you say?
 * Lucas: A University of Chicago study. You can tell the fags in a warm shower by who's got the longest dong. Hey, yours seems to be growing even now.
 * Bruno: The hell it is!
 * Lucas: It IS, look!

 * [Lucas hides away from Maggie under a bridge]
 * Maggie: Come on out, Lucas. I know you're in there. I can see your feet. [joins Lucas under the bridge] Have you been crying?
 * Lucas: Yeah. So what? I mean, wimps do that. Didn't you know? Just like big, strong guys.
 * Maggie: What do you want me to do, Lucas?
 * Lucas: I don't care. Just keep doing what you're doing. Go to bed with him.
 * Maggie: That's not fair.
 * Lucas: Yeah, a lot of things aren't fair.
 * Maggie: Lucas, you and I were just friends.
 * Lucas: Why?
 * Maggie: What do you mean, why?
 * Lucas: I mean, why just friends?
 * Maggie: Because that's all we were.
 * Lucas: Yeah, but why?
 * Maggie: Well, you're 14.
 * Lucas: Romeo was 14.
 * Maggie: I don't know, Lucas. There are certain people you like in a certain way, and others you like as a friend. I don't know why. You know about science, do you know why?
 * Lucas: Yeah. Actually, I do. It's called the process of natural selection. You ever heard of Darwin? The males who demonstrate physical prowess are the most attractive to the females. And by breeding with the strongest males, the females ensure survival of the species.
 * Maggie: You know how wonderful you are?
 * Lucas: Yeah, but it doesn't turn you on, does it?
 * Maggie: Lucas, we're just friends.
 * [Lucas looks at her and tries to kiss her; she bemusedly backs away from]
 * Maggie: What am I going to do with you?
 * Lucas: [Heartbroken, he gets up and goes to the nest] Go away. Go. [eyes her] Leave! LEAVE!! GO!! GO AWAY!!!

 * [Lucas runs in to play the first big game for the football team]
 * Coach: What the hell are you doing?
 * Lucas: I'm ready to go in. I can run fast. I can win this game.
 * Coach: Just get out of here, will you?
 * Lucas: Look, just give me one chance. One play.
 * Coach: Get out of here, I said. Get off of the field.
 * Lucas: Look, I'll make you a deal. You have nothing to lose. They're whipping your ass, anyway.
 * Coach: Listen to me...
 * Lucas: Put me in, I'll never come back, I swear. Just let me play today. You have nothing to lose, just let me in.
 * Coach: Hear me good, you pissant, because I'm only going to tell you one more time.
 * Lucas: Don't you call me that. Don't you call me a pissant, you dumb, fucking jock.
 * Coach: What'd you say?
 * Lucas: You heard me, pencil-brain. I mean, who are we kidding here, who is the pissant? The second-rate coach of a third rate team or me?
 * Coach: What's your name?
 * Lucas: Lucas.
 * Coach: I mean your last name!
 * Lucas: Bly.
 * Coach: You're right, Bly. I've got nothing to lose by sending you in. Karger out! Bly in!
 * Lucas: What position?
 * Coach: Prone.

 * Maggie: [at the hospital, she begins to cry] You could have gotten killed.
 * Lucas: Did we win?
 * Maggie: No way.
 * Lucas: Boy. They sure were big.
 * Maggie: [she laughs] I don't want you ever playing football again.
 * Luca: Okay.
 * Maggie: You.
 * Lucas: Magpie.
 * Maggie: Locust. They're all gone, you know. The locusts. I was just outside. They aren't making any noise anymore.
 * Lucas: Not for 17 years.
 * [Maggie holds Lucas's hand]
 * Lucas: I'm sorry for doing this.
 * Maggie: I guess you had to.
 * Lucas: Yeah.
 * Maggie: You know, survival of the species and all. [both smile] What are you thinking?
 * Lucas: I'm just wondering where we'll be when they come back.
 * Maggie: Who?
 * Lucas: The locusts.
 * Maggie: Gosh, I don't know.
 * Lucas: You'll be 33.
 * Maggie: Oh, wow.
 * Lucas: I'll be 31 1/2. I wonder if we'll still know each other.
 * Maggie: I don't know.
 * Lucas: I hope so.
 * Maggie: Oh, me too.
 * [Lucas and Maggie smile together]

Taglines

 * It's about falling in love. For the first time.
 * There's nothing wrong with being different.
 * A boy that just won't be beaten.

Cast

 * Corey Haim - Lucas
 * Kerri Green - Maggie
 * Charlie Sheen - Cappie
 * Courtney Thorne-Smith - Alise
 * Winona Ryder - Rina
 * Tom Hodges - Bruno
 * Ciro Poppiti - Ben
 * Guy Boyd - Coach
 * Jeremy Piven - Spike

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Talk:Gautama Buddha

For verification
"I gained nothing at all from Supreme Enlightenment, and for that very reason it is called Supreme Enlightenment." -- Gotama Buddha

From the BSD fortune cookie file

This might be from a Mahāyāna sutra but I guarantee that it does not appear in the Pāli Canon and is therefore not attributable to the historical Buddha. -Metalello 01:10, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Alternative translation for "Do not go by revelation;..."
This is a much more readable translation, but as i cannot read the original i just put it here, maybe someone who can could decide whether it's accurate enough to put it on the main page as an alternative translation.

"Do not believe in anything simply because you have heard it. Do not believe in anything simply because it is spoken and rumored by many. Do not believe in anything simply because it is found written in your religious books. Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders. Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations. But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is conducive to the good and benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

 * This is an extremely faulty translation that manages to almost exactly reverse the meaning of the original text. It must never be put on the front page. - Metalello (talk) 23:16, 16 September 2017 (UTC)

Kills without drawing blood
The internet has this all over as a Gautama quote, but I can't find it sourced anywhere...

"The tongue like a sharp knife... Kills without drawing blood."

Does anyone here know if this is attributed correctly, and/or where it's from more specifically?

 * Not Buddha, this is just one of those proverbial "Chinese proverbs." In the mid 20th century it was popular to attribute it to Confucius, and attributions to Buddha only appear towards the end of the 20th century. The earliest English rendering I find in print is Adam Grainger, Western Mandarin, or the Spoken Language of Western China (1900, Shanghai: American Presbyterian Mission Press), p. 149, where it is identified (in the index) as a proverb about slander: "the tip of the tongue kills without drawing blood." (The translation is literal. An idiomatic English translation would be "the sharp tongue...") ~ Ningauble 17:26, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

 * I concur with this assessment but a similar statement does appear in the Sutta Nipata, verse 657: 'To (every) man that is born, an axe is born in his mouth, by which the fool cuts himself, when speaking bad language.' http://www.sacred-texts.com/bud/sbe10/sbe1035.htm Metalello 01:22, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

Dhammapada?
The Dhammapada section in this article is larger and non-duplicative of the separate Dhammapada article on wikiquote. Considering the numbers of quotations from the Dhammapada, the significance of that text, and the potential for growth (in further quotations from the text), it seems to me that we should move the Dhammapada section in Gautama Buddha to the separate article Dhammapada with a clear reference accordingly. Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated. Thanks. tartaruga 17:45, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

 * This seems reasonable. Two things we should be careful of:
 * Since the original work is obviously not in English, we need published translations. To avoid potential copyright violations in either article, we should use a public-domain translation as a source. For simplicity, I would recommend vetting all quotes against Dhammapada (Muller), a Wikisource article that uses the translation from a 19th-century book edited by F. Max Muller, putting it well out of copyright.
 * It would be nice to credit contributors to this article's Dhammapada section with their contributions at Talk:Dhammapada. However, I don't believe it's necessary by our license requirements, because those contributions remain available through both articles' edit histories. Just be sure to include an edit summary that makes clear the material was transferred from this article.
 * Thanks for bringing this up. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 20:47, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * All seem to me quite reasonable. It will be nice to reconstruct relevant articles (one question: we have already Suttanipaka?; spelling might be wrong) Aphaia 20:52, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

 * As per the discussion above, I moved the Dhammapada section in Gautama Buddha to its own wikiquote article, Dhammapada. I tried to maintain the original quotations as much as possible, but, due to copyright concerns (explained above), I had to significantly change much of the original material to conform to publically available sources.
 * In cite checking, I used both the Wikisource Muller translation from the 19th Century and Two other translations available online and made free for distribution by the authors and the Insight Society. When none of the available translations were close to the originally posted quote, I offered multiple, alternative translations.  Hope this makes everyone happy.  Or at least not vindictive.  :)
 * Thanks to Jeff Q and Aphaia for comments. tartaruga 16:30, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

 * I removed a few of the many Dhammapada external links in Gautama Buddha considering that Dhammapada quotations are now in their own separate entry and no longer here. Links to translations of the Dhammapada thus seem less relevant in this page since there are no quotations to the Dhammapada here.  If anything, the links should be removed and added to the Dhammapada article.  Thoughts?  (Since the edit was undone, I am guessing that their is an objection to their removal).  Thanks.  tartaruga 15:02, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Since there was no objection, I moved the Dhammapada external links to the Dhammapada entry (joining the Dhammapada quotations which were formerly part of this entry). If there are any objections, please voice them here before reverting the edit.  Thank you.  tartaruga 17:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

"There is no wealth like knowledge, and no poverty like ignorance."
I'm pretty sure Ali said that... and I agree. Can Someone source why they're applying this as to Buddha?

Unsourced
Wikiquote no longer allows unsourced quotations, and they are in process of being removed from our pages (see Wikiquote:Limits on quotations); but if you can provide a reliable and precise source for any quote on this list please move it to Gautama Buddha. --Antiquary 19:45, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

 * The no-mind not-thinks no thoughts about no things.

 * This existence of ours is as transient as autumn clouds,
 * To watch the birth and death of beings is like looking at the movements of a dance,
 * A lifetime is like a flash of lightning in the sky,
 * Rushing by, like a torrent down a steep mountain

 * Know all things to be like this,
 * A mirage, a cloud castle
 * A dream, an apparition,
 * Without essence but with qualities that can be seen,

 * Know all things to be like this,
 * As the moon in a bright sky,
 * In some clear lake reflected,
 * Though to that lake the moon has never moved,

 * Know all things to be like this,
 * As an echo that derives,
 * From music, sounds and weeping,
 * Yet in that echo is no melody

 * Know all things to be like this,
 * As a magician makes illusions,
 * Of horses, oxen, carts and other things,
 * Nothing is as it appears

 * Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one who gets burned.

 * Joy comes not through possession or ownership but through a wise and loving heart.

 * People with opinions just go around bothering each other.

 * There has to be evil so that good can prove its purity above it.

 * There is no way to Happiness. Happiness is the way.

 * Teach this triple truth to all: A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service and compassion are the things which renew humanity.

 * It is a man's own mind, not his enemy or foe, that lures him to evil ways.

 * There are only two mistakes one can make along the road to truth; not going all the way, and not starting.

 * There are two mistakes one can make along the road to truth - not going all the way, and not starting.

 * The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, worry about the future, or anticipate troubles, but to live in the present moment wisely and earnestly.

 * Work out your own salvation. Do not depend on others.

 * Every human being is the author of his own health or disease.

 * The foot feels the foot when it feels the ground.

 * Do not dwell in the past, do not dream of the future, concentrate the mind on the present moment.

 * Holding on to anger is like grasping a hot coal with the intent of throwing it at someone else; you are the one getting burned.

 * When a man has pity on all living creatures then only is he noble.

 * These quotes are unsourced and their authenticity as sayings of the Gautama Buddha has been questioned.

 * Your work is to discover your work and then with all your heart to give yourself to it.
 * Loose translation (“rendering”, “interpretation”) of verse 166 of the Dhammapada by Thomas Byrom, 1976.
 * Alternatively rendered by Anne Bancroft as: “Your work is to find out what your work should be and not to neglect it for another’s. Clearly discover your work and attend to it with all your heart.”.
 * More faithful translations:
 * Let one not neglect one’s own welfare for the sake of another, however great. Clearly understanding one’s own welfare, let one be intent upon the good. ("Attavagga: The Self" (Dhp XII), translated from the Pali by Acharya Buddharakkhita, verse 166, 1985)
 * Don't sacrifice your own welfare for that of another, no matter how great. Realizing your own true welfare, be intent on just that. ("Attavagga: Self", by Thanissaro Bhikkhu, verse 166, 1997)

 * The secret of health for both mind and body is not to mourn for the past, nor to worry about the future, but to live the present moment wisely and earnestly.

 * To keep the body in good health is a duty... otherwise we shall not be able to keep our mind strong and clear.
 * Buddha, in The Inner Matrix: A Guide to Transforming Your Life and Awakening Your Spirit (24 March 2014), p. 136

Budha: “to keep the body in good health is a duty… Otherwise we shall not be able to keep our mind strong and clear.”
 * Book: The 4 nobles truths sutra.
 * Geshe Tashi Tsering. The first turning the wheel of dharma Sutra.

https://www.wisdompubs.org/book/four-noble-truths/selections

 * Words have the power to both destroy and heal. When words are both true and kind, they can change our world.

 * If we could see the miracle of a single flower clearly, our whole life would change.

 * Let us all be thankful for this day, for we have learned a great deal; if we have not learned a great deal, then at least we learned slightly; if we did not learn slightly, then at least we did not become sick; if we did become sick, then at least we did not die. So, let us all be thankful.

 * On life's journey faith is nourishment, virtuous deeds are a shelter, wisdom is the light by day and right mindfulness is the protection by night. If a man lives a pure life, nothing can destroy him.

 * Teach this triple truth to all: A generous heart, kind speech, and a life of service and compassion are the things which renew humanity.

 * Desire is the cause for all your sickness and misery.

 * It is your mind that creates this world.

 * Believe nothing, O monks, merely because you have been told it … or because it is traditional, or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings—that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide.
 * Reported in Life (March 7, 1955), p. 102. Reported in unverified in his writings in  Respectfully Quoted: A Dictionary of Quotations (1989).

 * Only three things cannot be long hidden: the sun, the moon, and the truth.
 * Attributed in the opening to Lisa See's China Dolls (2014)

IF this whole section is "from" Paul Carus then by definition they are not quotes of the Buddha and should not be appearing here If they are then "Paul Carus" should simply site the Sutta/Sutra number
 * The Buddha said 'Salvation doesn't come from the sight of me. It demands strenuous effort and practise. So work hard and seek your own salvation constantly.'
 * Dalai Lama, in Seven Years in Tibet (1997).

/* The Gospel of Buddha (1894) */

The Gospel of Buddha (1894)

 * The Gospel of Buddha is a compilation from ancient records by Paul Carus

Ch. 58 The Buddha Replies to the Deva

 * On a certain day when the Blessed One
 * dwelt at Jetavana, the garden of Anathapindika,
 * a celestial deva came to him in the shape of a Brahman
 * enlightened and wearing clothing as white as snow.

The deva asked,
 * What is the sharpest sword?
 * What is the deadliest poison?
 * What is the fiercest fire?
 * What is the darkest night?"

The Blessed One replied,
 * The sharpest sword is a word spoken in wrath;
 * the deadliest poison is covetousness;
 * the fiercest fire is hatred;
 * the darkest night is ignorance.

The deva said,
 * What is the greatest gain?
 * What is the greatest loss?
 * Which armour is invulnerable?
 * What is the best weapon?

The Blessed One replied,
 * The greatest gain is to give to others;
 * the greatest loss is to greedily receive without gratitude;
 * an invulnerable armor is patience;
 * the best weapon is wisdom.

The deva said,
 * Who is the most dangerous thief?
 * What is the most precious treasure?
 * Who can capture the heavens and the earth?
 * Where is the securest treasure-trove?

The Blessed One replied,
 * The most dangerous thief is unwholesome thought;
 * the most precious treasure is virtue;
 * the heavens and the earth may be captured by the mind's eye;
 * surpassing rebirth locates the securest treasure-trove.

The deva asked,
 * What is attraction?
 * What is repulsion?
 * What is the most horrible pain?
 * What is the greatest enjoyment?

The Buddha replied,
 * Attraction is wholeness;
 * repulsion is unwholesomeness;
 * the most tormenting pain is bad conscience;
 * the height of bliss is redeemed awakening.

The deva asked,
 * What causes ruin in the world?
 * What breaks off friendships?
 * What is the most violent fever?
 * Who is the best physician?"

The Blessed One replied,
 * Ruin in the world is caused by ignorance;
 * friendships are broken off by envy and selfishness;
 * the most violent fever is hatred;
 * the best physician is the Buddha;

The deva continued,
 * Now I have only one doubt to resolve and absolve:
 * What is it fire cannot burn,
 * nor moisture corrode,
 * nor wind crush down,
 * but is able to enlighten the whole world.

The Buddha replied,
 * Blessing!
 * Neither fire, nor moisture, nor wind
 * can destroy the blessing of good deeds,
 * and blessings enlighten the whole world.

Hearing these answers,
 * the deva was overflowing with joy.
 * Then clasping hands, bowed down in respect and
 * disappeared suddenly from the presence of the Buddha.

 * True charity occurs only when there are no notions of giving, giver, or gift.
 * David Ross, 1,001 Pearls of Wisdom, 2006, p. 26

 * We forgive principally for our own sake, so that we may cease to bear the burden of rancour.
 * David Ross, 1,001 Pearls of Wisdom, 2006, p. 30

 * Rather than continuing to seek the truth, simply let go of your views.
 * David Ross, 1,001 Pearls of Wisdom, 2006, p. 39

Unsourced quotes about Gautama Buddha

 * Buddha conquered the lands of China, Japan, entire South-east Asia, Burma, Indonesia, Java, Sumatra, Sri Lanka and other countries without sending out even one soldier; he spread the message of karuna  (mercy), prema  (compassion), samanata (equality) and  atmasanyam ( tolerance)  throughout  the world many centuries  before  Jesus and Mohammad; even today the flame of his sandesha ( message) lights up the whole world and entire  humanity with the soft glow of manavatavadi (humanitarian), vaidhnyanik (scientific) and addhatmik (spiritual) message of India.
 * J. K. Verma — no citations of wide notabilty or even scholarly relevance found for this person, thus far (2011·12·07)

Additional names
If I make mistake dont jump on wagon attackin me, this is from my memory, and it's good. Buddha is also known as:
 * one who has achieved a state of perfect enlightenment
 * Gautama Buddha
 * Gautama Siddhartha
 * prince, this could be contributed in more that one area

The Kalamas's Dilemma
The following quote is in the disputed section: Believe nothing, O monks, merely because you have been told it … or because it is traditional, or because you yourselves have imagined it. Do not believe what your teacher tells you merely out of respect for the teacher. But whatsoever, after due examination and analysis, you find to be conducive to the good, the benefit, the welfare of all beings—that doctrine believe and cling to, and take it as your guide. It's clearly part of the 'The Kalamas's Dilemma' which is from Anguttara Nikaya. The same part of the 'The Kalamas's Dilemma' is already quoted from a different translation. PhilKnight (talk) 20:43, 22 May 2012 (UTC)
 * True but that translation is badly faulty and should not be used anywhere. - Metalello (talk) 00:08, 17 September 2017 (UTC)

Resource for misattributions
See http://www.fakebuddhaquotes .com/ There are so many hundreds it's hard to say which merit inclusion here but certainly some of them do for being so widespread. (Note: the spam filter won't let me link it directly.) —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
 * That site and http://www.realbuddhaquotes .com/ have quite a few real Buddha quotes as well; most of which I've just added. CensoredScribe (talk) 15:23, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Kalama quote
It gives the wikipedia article on the Kalama sutra as a source - but that has a rather different version. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalama_Sutta

 * Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing (anussava),
 * nor upon tradition (paramparā),
 * nor upon rumor (itikirā),
 * nor upon what is in a scripture (piṭaka-sampadāna)
 * nor upon surmise (takka-hetu),
 * nor upon an axiom (naya-hetu),
 * nor upon specious reasoning (ākāra-parivitakka),
 * nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over (diṭṭhi-nijjhān-akkh-antiyā),
 * nor upon another's seeming ability (bhabba-rūpatāya),
 * nor upon the consideration, The monk is our teacher (samaṇo no garū)
 * Kalamas, when you yourselves know: "These things are good; these things are not blamable; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness," enter on and abide in them.'}}

Which in turn cites this as a source: Kalama Sutra By Soma Thera

I think it might be better to use this (or another attributed source by a respected translator), because as it is, the current version is really unattributed, linking to a source that has a different version from the text used here, and somewhat different in meaning.

Robertinventor (talk) 18:12, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Quotes requiring additional source information
The following quotes need additional source information, including translator, date of publication and page number.

 * Open are the doors to the Deathless to those with ears. Let them show their conviction.
 * Ayacana Sutta

 * Conquerors are those like me who have reached fermentations' end. I've conquered evil qualities, and so, Upaka, I'm a conqueror
 * Ariyapariyesana Sutta

 * In crossing the river [from Saṃsāra to emancipation] (...) crocodiles are a designation for women.
 * Majjhima Nikaya, Sutta 3

 * Know from the rivers in clefts and in crevices: those in small channels flow noisily, the great flow silent. Whatever’s not full makes noise. Whatever is full is quiet.

 * Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle, and the life of the candle will not be shortened. Just as the candle won't be shortened, one's happiness never decreases by being shared.

 * Whatever precious jewel there is in the heavenly worlds, there is nothing comparable to one who is Awakened.

 * In whom there is no sympathy for living beings: know him as an outcast.

 * Both formerly and now, it is only suffering that I describe, and the cessation of suffering.

 * If a man going down into a river, swollen and swiftly flowing, is carried away by the current — how can he help others across?

 * The world is afflicted by death and decay. But the wise do not grieve, having realized the nature of the world.

 * Resolutely train yourself to attain peace.
 * Utthana Sutta

 * As I am, so are these. As are these, so am I.’ Drawing the parallel to yourself, neither kill nor get others to kill.
 * Nalaka Sutta

 * Do not go by revelation; Do not go by tradition; Do not go by hearsay; Do not go on the authority of sacred texts; Do not go on the grounds of pure logic; Do not go by a view that seems rational; Do not go by reflecting on mere appearances; Do not go along with a considered view because you agree with it; Do not go along on the grounds that the person is competent; Do not go along because "the recluse is our teacher." Kalamas, when you yourselves know: These things are unwholesome, these things are blameworthy; these things are censured by the wise; and when undertaken and observed, these things lead to harm and ill, abandon them... Kalamas, when you know for yourselves: These are wholesome; these things are not blameworthy; these things are praised by the wise; undertaken and observed, these things lead to benefit and happiness, having undertaken them, abide in them.
 * Kalama Sutta - Angutarra Nikaya 3.65

 * It cannot happen that a woman may become a Tathāgata, a Sammsambuddha.
 * Aṅguttara Nikāya 3.14.

 * It is in the nature of things that joy arises in a person free from remorse.
 * Cetana Sutta, Anguttara Nikaya

 * Ardently do today what must be done. Who knows? Tomorrow, death comes.
 * Bhaddekaratta Sutta.

 * Meditate … do not delay, lest you later regret it.
 * Sallekha Sutta

 * To support mother and father, to cherish wife and children, and to be engaged in peaceful occupation — this is the greatest blessing.
 * Mangala Sutta

 * A mind unruffled by the vagaries of fortune, from sorrow freed, from defilements cleansed, from fear liberated — this is the greatest blessing
 * Mangala Sutta

 * Just as with her own life, A mother shields from hurt, Her own son, her only child,Let all-embracing thoughts For all beings be yours.
 * Metta Sutta

 * Those who cling to perceptions and views wander the world offending people.
 * Magandiya Sutta

 * Whatever living beings there may be — feeble or strong, long, stout, or of medium size, short, small, large, those seen or those unseen, those dwelling far or near, those who are born as well as those yet to be born — may all beings have happy minds.
 * Karaniya Metta Sutta

 * Radiate boundless love towards the entire world — above, below, and across — unhindered, without ill will, without enmity.
 * Metta Sutta

 * The root of suffering is attachment.
 * Pali canon
 * Regarding the "Thousands of candles can be lit from a single candle, And the life of the candle will not be shortened." quote:

 * On the Wikiquotes:Candles page, it is attributed to the Buddha by using a non-specific Sutta Nipata source. These following sites are split on the question of authenticity:

 * + http://www.searchquotes.com/quotation/Thousands_of_candles_can_be_lit_from_a_single_candle%2C_and_the_life_of_the_candle_will_not_be_shorten/173/

 * variable - https://www.quora.com/Inspirational-Quotes-3/Inspirational-Quotes-Who-said-Thousands-of-candles-can-be-lighted-from-a-single-candle-and-the-life-of-the-single-candle-will-not-be-shortened-Happiness-never-decreases-by-being-shared

 * "fakish" - http://fakebuddhaquotes.com/thousands-of-candles-can-be-lighted-from-a-single-candle-and-the-life-of-the-single-candle-will-not-be-shortened-happiness-never-decreases-by-being-shared/

 * I do not know how reliable these sites are for use here, but the http://fakebuddhaquotes.com site seems to have put some research into their answer. Thank you, Wordreader (talk) 05:43, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Anguttara Nikaya
Adaptation or translation by an unspecified author.

 * Friends

 * Nothing is as intractable as an untamed heart.
 * The untamed heart is intractable.

 * Nothing is as tractable as a tamed heart.
 * The tamed heart is tractable.

 * Nothing tends toward loss as does an untamed heart.
 * The untamed heart tends towards loss.

 * Nothing tends toward growth as does a tamed heart.
 * The tamed heart tends towards growth.

 * Nothing brings suffering as does
 * the untamed, uncontrolled unattended and unrestrained heart.
 * That heart brings suffering.

 * Nothing brings joy as does a
 * tamed, controlled, attended and restrained heart.
 * This heart brings joy.'''

Samyutta Nikaya (Connected Discourses)

 * Online Translations

[A devata] ''Giving what does one give strength? Giving what does one give beauty? Giving what does one give ease? Giving what does one give sight? Who is the giver of all? Being asked, please explain to me''

[The Blessed One] ''Giving food, one gives strength; Giving clothes, one gives beauty; Giving a vehicle, one gives ease; Giving a lamp, one gives sight.''

''The one who gives a residence Is the giver of all. But the one who teaches the Dhamma Is the giver of the Deathless''

 * Whoever doesn’t flare up at someone who’s angry wins a battle hard to win.
 * Samyutta Nikaya

 * When watching after yourself, you watch after others. When watching after others, you watch after yourself
 * Samyutta Nikaya

 * Women, with their two-fingered wisdom [i.e. stupid], have a difficult time [understanding what I teach].
 * Mara says this (Mara is a Demon in Buddhist parables), Saṃyutta Nikāya 4.

 * Whatever is felt is within suffering.
 * 36.11

Soma and Mara An adapation of a translation by C.A.F. Rhys-Davids

 * Once Soma, having returned from her alms round
 * and having eaten her meal, entered the woods to meditate.
 * Deep in the woods, she sat down under a tree.

 * The tempter Mara, desirous and capable of arousing fear, wavering and dread,
 * and wishing her to interrupt her focused meditation, came to her and said,

 * Your intent is difficult, even for the sages;
 * Completion cannot be reached by a woman regardless the wisdom reaped."

 * Then Soma thought, "Who is this speaking, human or nonhuman?
 * Surely it is evil Mara desiring to interrupt my focused meditation."

 * Knowing that it was Mara, she said,
 * "What does gender matter with regard to a well-composed mind,
 * which experiences insight in the light of the dharma?"

 * The evil Mara thought, "Soma knows me"
 * and sorrowful for the evil, instantly vanished into darkness.

Bamboo Acrobats An adaptation of a translation by John Ireland.

 * The Exalted One was dwelling in the Sumbha country,
 * in a location of the Sumbhas called Sedaka
 * There He addressed the monks:

 * "Once upon a time, a bamboo-acrobat set up his pole
 * and called to his pupil, Medakathalika, saying,

 * 'Come my lad Medakathalika,
 * climb the pole and stand on my shoulders!'

 * 'All right master,'
 * replied the pupil to the bamboo-acrobat.
 * The student then climbed the pole
 * and stood on the master's shoulders.

 * Then the bamboo-acrobat said to his pupil:
 * 'Now Medakathalika, protect me well and I shall protect you.
 * Thus watched and warded by each other,
 * we will show our tricks, get a good fee and
 * come down safe from the bamboo pole.'

 * At these words Medakathalika the pupil
 * said to the bamboo-acrobat,

 * 'No, no! That won't do master!
 * Look after yourself and I'll look after myself.
 * Thus watched and warded each by himself,
 * we'll show our tricks and get a good fee and
 * come down safe from the bamboo-pole.'"

 * "In the synthesis is the right way,"
 * said the Exalted One,
 * "Just as Medakathalika the pupil said to his master,
 * 'I shall protect myself,'
 * by this the Foundation of Mindfulness is practiced.
 * 'I shall protect others,'
 * by this the Foundation of Mindfulness is practiced.
 * In protecting oneself, others are protected;
 * In protecting others, oneself is protected."

 * And how does one in protecting oneself, protect others?
 * By frequent practice, development and
 * making much of the Foundation of Mindfulness.
 * Thus in protecting oneself, others are protected.

 * And how does one, in protecting others, protect oneself?
 * By forbearance and nonviolence,
 * By loving kindness and compassion.
 * Thus in protecting others, one protects oneself.

 * With the intention, 'I shall protect myself,'
 * the Foundation of Mindfulness is practiced.
 * With the intention, 'I shall protect others,'
 * the Foundation of Mindfulness is practiced.
 * In protecting oneself, others are protected;
 * In protecting others, oneself is protected."

 * And this, monks, is the noble truth of the origination of dukkha: the craving that makes for further becoming — accompanied by passion & delight, relishing now here & now there — i.e., craving for sensual pleasure, craving for becoming, craving for non-becoming.
 * 56.11 Dhammacakkappavattana Sutta: Setting the Wheel of Dhamma in Motion translated by Thanissaro Bhikkhu

Majjhima Nikaya (Middle Length Discourses)

 * Whatever is subject to origination is all subject to cessation.
 * Sutta 74 (Dighanaka Sutta)

 * This is deathless, the liberation of the mind through lack of clinging.
 * Sutta 106

Quotes requiting editorial work
The following quotes have formatting errors, grammatical errors, and are not organized in a way conforming to Wikiquote standard practice

On Women

 * A woman, may turn out better than a man:
 * She may be wise and virtuous, A devoted wife,
 * revering her mother-in-law.
 * "The son to whom she gives birth May become a hero,
 * The son of such a blessed woman
 * May even rule the realm.
 * S i 86 Samyutta Nikaya, KosalaSamyutta

On Caste

 * "Even though one mutters many chants,
 * One does not become a brahmin by birth
 * If one is rotten with in and defiled,
 * Supporting oneself by fraudulent means.
 * "Whether khattiya, brahmin, vessa, sudda,
 * Candala or scavenger,
 * If one is energetic and resolute,
 * Always firm in exertion,
 * One attains the supreme purity
 * Know, O brahmin, that this is so.
 * Samyutta Nikaya, SagathaVagga

The brahmin Sundarika Bharadvaja approached the Blessed One and said to him: "What is the worthy one's birth?" The Blessed One said:
 * "Ask not of birth but ask of conduct:
 * Fire is indeed produced from any wood.
 * A resolute sage,though from low family,
 * Is a thoroughbred restrained by a sense of shame.
 * Samyutta Nikaya, Brahmanasamyutta

 * I prescribe purity of the four castes.
 * Assalayana Sutta

 * Not by birth is one an outcast;
 * not by birth is one a brahman.
 * By deed one becomes an outcast,
 * by deed one becomes an brahman.
 * Vasala Sutta: Discourse on Outcasts

 * Since both dark and bright qualities, which are blamed and praised by the wise, are
 * scattered indiscriminately among the four castes, the wise do not recognize the claim
 * about the Brahmin caste being the highest. Why is that? Because, anyone from
 * the four castes who becomes a monk, an Arahant who has destroyed the corruptions, who
 * has lived the life, done what had to be done, laid down the burden, reached the highest
 * goal, destroyed the fetter of becoming, and become emancipated through superknowledge—he is
 * proclaims supreme by virtue of Dhamma and not of non-Dhamma.
 * DN 27, The Agganna Sutta

 * "There are these ten things that a person gone-forth should reflect on often. Which ten?
 * "'I have become casteless': a person gone forth should often reflect on this...
 * AN 10.48, Dasadhamma Sutta

 * Just as whatever great rivers there are — such as the Ganges, the Yamunā, the Aciravatī, the Sarabhū, the Mahī — on reaching the ocean, give up their former names and are classed simply as 'ocean'; in the same way, when members of the four castes — noble warriors, brahmans, merchants, & workers — go forth from home to the homeless life in this Dhamma (teachings) & Vinaya (discipline) declared by the Tathāgata, they give up their former names and clans and are classed simply as 'contemplatives, sons of the Sakyan'... This is the fourth amazing & astounding quality of this Dhamma & Vinaya because of which, as they see it again & again, the monks take great joy in this Dhamma & Vinaya.
 * Uposatha Sutta, Udana 5.5

 * In the Way of Liberation, there is no caste.
 * To the eyes of an enlightened person, all people are
 * equal. Every person’s blood is red. Every person’s tears
 * are salty. We are all human beings. We must find a way
 * for all people to be able to realize their full dignity and
 * potential.
 * Old Path White Clouds, Page 421

On War

 * Victory breeds enmity,
 * The defeated one sleeps badly.
 * The peaceful one sleeps at ease,
 * Having abandoned victory and defeat."
 * Samyutta Nikaya, Kosala Samyutta, Battle.

On God
"Who is it that shapes our lives? Is it Iśvara, a personal creator? If Iśvara be the maker, all living things should have silently to submit to their maker's power. They would be like vessels formed by the potter's hand; and if it were so, how would it be possible to practise virtue? If the world had been made by Iśvara there should be no such thing as sorrow, or calamity, or evil; for both pure and impure deeds muse come from him. If not, there would be another cause beside him, and he would not be self-existent. Thus, thou seest, the thought of Iśvara is overthrown. "Again, it is said that the Absolute has created us. But that which is absolute cannot be a cause. All things around us come from a cause as the plant comes from the seed; but how can the Absolute be the cause of all things alike? If it pervades them, then, certainly, it does not make them. "Again, it is said that Self is the maker. But if self is the maker, why did it not make things pleasing? The causes of sorrow and joy are real and objective. How can they have been made by self? "Again, if we adopt the argument that there is no maker, our fate is such as it is, and there is no causation, what use would there be in shaping our lives and adjusting means to an end? "Therefore, we argue that all things that exist are not without cause. However, neither Iśvara, nor the absolute, nor the self, nor causeless chance, is the maker, but our deeds produce results both good and evil according to the law of causation. "Let us, then, abandon the heresy of worshipping Iśvara and of praying to him; let us no longer lose ourselves in vain speculations of profitless subtleties; let us surrender self and all selfishness, and as all things are fixed by causation, let us practise good so that good may result from our actions."
 * Gospel of Buddha by Paul Carus, Chapter 23, Page 71

'If Whatever a person experiences - pleasant, painful, or neither pleasant nor painful is all caused by a supreme being's act of creation,'. Then in that case, a person is a killer of living beings because of a supreme being's act of creation. A person is a thief... unchaste... a liar... a divisive speaker... a harsh speaker... an idle chatterer... greedy... malicious... a holder of wrong views because of a supreme being's act of creation.' When one falls back on creation by a supreme being as being essential, monks, there is no desire, no effort [at the thought], 'This should be done. This shouldn't be done.' When one can't pin down as a truth or reality what should & shouldn't be done, one dwells bewildered & unprotected. One cannot righteously refer to oneself as a contemplative.
 * AN 3.61,Tittha Sutta

 * User: Peter1c, where do you find them to be unformatted, ungrammatical and unorganized? When I inserted these quotes for the first time, I cited online sources, books and reliable Buddhist literature. These quotes are taken from Pali Tipitaka and are translated from Pali to English by renowned Buddhist Scholars such as Bhikkhu Bodhi and Thanissaro Bhkkhu. I also organized them under the tag social issues since they speak on problems of social evils such as Indian Caste System, opression of women by men, creator god and bloody war. These quotes are very necessary since they address social evils and refutes them in a polite way. I further request you to kindly not to remove these quotes when the consensus is build. I also would like to tag User: Joshua Jonathan who is well versed in Buddhist related topics and edits on different wikis. With best regards, Terabar (talk) 11:34, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

Hi Terabar. Thank you for your message. Here are my concerns in more detail:
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 * Many of the added quotes are haphazardly indented and do not follow the correct format.
 * You seem to have pasted some quotes without attending to linefeeds. Unlike HTML, WML does attend to whitespace.
 * Terms that may be unfamiliar to readers must be linked to Wikipedia pages that define them (e.g. Iśvara).
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 * In "There are these ten things ..." you have unmatched quotation marks

I could continue the list. Wikiquote has standards of editorial competence, and with all due respect you frankly don't seem to be trying very hard to meet them. I encourage you to look carefully at other articles and then reformat and resubmit your quotations with careful attention to quality. ~ Peter1c (talk) 17:12, 8 March 2017 (UTC)

Someone please check behind me ...
Hello. I added a quote to the Misattributed section, but I'm not sure if I did the right thing. ("Believe nothing, no matter where you read it ...") I found it cited on fakebuddhaquotes.com, which seems to be a comprehensive source. But as User:Koavf pointed out (almost 10 years ago!), the site lists hundreds of such bogus/iffy quotes, and it's hard to say how many merit mention here. I added it because I've seen it in many times, originally in a Dear Abby column in the '70s. It was one of my favorite quotes for years, until I finally realized it's BS because it basically means, "Believe whatever you want." :/

So anyway, as a newbie here, I'd appreciate it if someone more knowledgeable could check what I added. If it doesn't pass muster, just revert; no hard feelings. :) Thanks all! Yesthatbruce (talk) 04:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

 * If you've seen it multiple times in the wild, then it makes sense to include it here. Our policy on the topic is when a quote is "widely" misattributed. See also Misattribution, which is its own page for some reason, but is not a policy (yet). Lastly, FAQ. Great work. —Justin ( koavf ) ❤T☮C☺M☯ 06:10, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Cool! Thanks for getting back so quickly. Yesthatbruce (talk) 06:32, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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