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Talk:Beer

Deletion

 * Im just a noob here, but I oppose the deletion. It says the reason for the proposal is "No sourced quotes", but there definetely are. And the only heading is "unsourced", which makes it logically correct for no sourced quotes to be present. Latias1290 (talk) 16:34, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

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 * Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza.
 * Dave Barry

 * Beer, the cause and solution to all of life's problems
 * (Originally: "To alcohol! The cause of--and solution to--all of life's problems." Homer Simpson, in the episode Homer vs. The Eighteenth Amendment).

 * Well ya see, Norm, it's like this... A herd of buffalo can only move as fast as the slowest buffalo, and when the herd is hunted, it is the slowest and weakest ones at the back that are killed first. This natural selection is good for the herd as a whole, because the general speed and health of the whole group keeps improving by the regular killing of the weakest members. In much the same way, the human brain can only operate as fast as the slowest brain cells. Excessive intake of alcohol, as we know, kills brain cells, but naturally it attacks the slowest and weakest brain cells first. In this way, regular consumption of beer eliminates the weaker brain cells, making the brain a faster and more efficient machine. That's why you always feel smarter after a few beers.
 * The Buffalo Theory as explained on an episode of Cheers by Cliff Clavin to his drinking buddy, Norm Peterson

 * Sometimes when I reflect back on all the beer I drink I feel ashamed. Then I look into the glass and think about the workers in the brewery and all of their hopes and dreams. If I didn't drink this beer, they might be out of work and their dreams would be shattered. Then I say to myself, It is better that I drink this beer and let their dreams come true than be selfish and worry about my liver.
 * Jack Handey an (SNL character).

 * It is nice when you can sit back with some friends, drink some beer and have a good time.
 * Dave Matthews

 * You can't have a Real Country unless you have a BEER and an airline - it helps if you have some kind of a football team, or some nuclear weapons, but at the very least you need a BEER.
 * Frank Zappa

 * Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.
 * Erroneously attributed to Benjamin Franklin, who preferred wine.

 * 24 hours in a day, 24 beers in a case. Coincidence?
 * Steven Wright

 * Always remember that I have taken more out of alcohol than alcohol has taken out of me.
 * Sir Winston Churchill

 * Beer, if drunk with moderation, softens the temper, cheers the spirit and promotes health.
 * Thomas Jefferson

 * Give me a woman who truly loves beer, and I will conquer the world.
 * Wilhelm II of Germany

 * Good men drink good beer
 * Hunter S. Thompson

 * Ich sitze hier und trinke mein gutes Wittenbergisch Bier und das Reich Gottes kommt von ganz alleine
 * Translation: I sit here and drink my good Wittenberg Beer, and the Kingdom of the God comes all by itself."
 * Martin Luther

 * Malt does more than Milton can to justify God's ways to man"
 * A. E. Housman

 * "We are not here to sell a parcel of boilers and vats, but the potentiality of growing rich beyond the dreams of avarice."
 * Samuel Johnson in 1781 on the sale of Henry Thrale's Anchor Brewery

 * Wasser trinkt der Vierbeiner; der Mensch, der findet Bier feiner.
 * Translation: "Things with four legs drink Water, Man, he finds Beer finer"
 * German Trinkspruch

 * "I'm sitting here completely surrounded by no beer."
 * Onslow on Keeping Up Appearances (TV show).

 * Beer, Helping Ugly People Get Laid Since 1844.
 * Jake Wane-Smith

 * One beer is no beer, two beers are half a beer, and three beers are one beer. But one beer is no beer!

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Talk:Ernest Hemingway

Lose It If You Talk About It
A great Hemingway quote is "You lose it if you talk about it," but I'm not sure exactly where this is from.. does anyone know for sure?

It's from Hemingway's short story, "The Short Happy Life of Francis Macomber." The exact quote is: "Doesn't do to talk too much about all this. Talk the whole thing away. No pleasure in anything if you mouth it up too much." The hunting guide, Wilson, is explaining to Macomber how talk lessens the excitement of going into the brush to finish off the buffalo Macomber has shot. In a larger sense Macomber is lessening the excitement of overcoming his cowardice, specifically towards his wife.

Nononono it's from The Sun Also Rises, friend. Jake Barnes says it. Come on now.

Islands In The Stream Quotes
I'm currently reading Islands In The Stream and found what I thought were several quotable [or at least, more quotable than the rest which I am enjoying immensely] lines:

"Being against evil doesn't make you good. Tonight I was against it and then I was evil myself.  I could feel it coming just like a tide...  I just want to destroy them.  But when you start taking pleasure in it you are awfully close to the thing you're fighting." - page 40 & 41 of Section I [Bimini]

"Happiness is often presented as being very dull but, he thought, lying awake, that is because dull people are sometimes very happy and intelligent people can and do go around making themselves and everyone else miserable." - page 84, ibid.

"He had not slept with the Princess on the ship although by the time they had reached Haifa they had done so many other things that they had both reached a sort of ecstasy of desperation that was so intense that they should have been required by law to sleep with each other until they could not stand it another time simply for the relief of their nerves, if for no other reason." - page 84 of section II [Cuba].

I'm very inexperienced with Wiki's so I thought it'd be best if I just added them here for someone more experienced to decide whether they should go on the article page or not. -- ZDavies 21:47, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Some quotes I can't find
They may be misattributed. Perhaps someone knows them.

In Jarhead one of the characters says "We burn the fat off our souls. Hemingway said that." From "Snows of Kilimanjaro." This is also the title to a poem by Grahm Wolfe This quote has been erroneously credited to Hemingway: "I can't trust a man who doesn't drink, because a man who doesn't drink doesn't trust himself.", when it was James Crumley in his book The Wrong Case (1975) who wrote it.

As regards the Hemingway quote, I think it's from "The Snows of Kilimanjaro" but the quote is actually to do with a character wanting to work the fat off his soul the way a fighter worked and trained the fat off his body. I could be wrong though. Solomon

Yes, from The Snows of Kilimanjaro: "There was no hardship; but there was no luxury and he had thought that he could get back into training that way. That in some way he could work the fat off his soul the way a fighter went into the mountains to work and train in order to burn it out of his body." Strohs

Someone asked where "You lose it if you talk about it," came from. It is a recurring theme in his work. The not-uncommon idea of a central character in a Hemingway story being tremendously defined by a terrible pain, injury, or experience which they carried silently. Like in The Sun Also Rises where the man has lost his arm and so little is said of it. Or the knife-fight on the boat-docks. Another example is a series of small disconnected paragraphs about the war used in front the of title pages (including the below which was in front of CH VII Soldiers Home) in his book of complete short stories.

"While the bombardment was knocking the trench to pieces at Fossalta, he lay very flat and sweated and prayed oh jesus christ get me out of here. Dear jesus please get me out.  Christ please please please christ.  If you'll only keep me from getting killed I'll do anything you say.  I believe in you and I'll tell every one in the world that you are the only one that matters.  Please please dear jesus.  The shelling moved further up the line.  We went to work on the trench and in the morning the sun came up and the day was hot and muggy and cheerful and quiet.  The next night back at Mestre he did not tell the girl he went upstairs with at the Villa Rossa about Jesus.  And he never told anyone."

"Happiness in intelligent people is the rarest thing I know."
This is from The Garden of Eden, just after the couple have met her, talking about her friend and why she went away (I only have the MS Reader version in fromt of me so I can't make a meaningful page reference). I'm new here so I haven't removed it from the unsourced quotes but someone else might if they read this and agree.

Unsourced

 * The truth has a certain ring to it.

 * Every man's life ends the same way. It is only the details of how he lived and how he died that distinguish one man from another.

 * Even when I was in a crowd, I was always alone.

 * Modern life is too often a mechanical oppression and liquor provides the only mechanical relief.

 * The first draft of anything is shit.

 * There are only three sports; car racing, bull fighting and mountain climbing. The rest are mere games.

 * Got tight last night on absinthe and did knife tricks. Great success shooting the knife underhand into the piano.

 * There is no hunting like the hunting of man. And those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter.    Ernest Hemingway, "On the Blue Water," Esquire, April 1936 US author & journalist (1899 - 1961)

 * (On seeing a Spanish Government aeroplane bomb a bridge teeming with fleeing civilians from a hillside above the city) "Never put all your Basques in one exit."

 * It is not difficult to write a novel, all you have to do is to sit down at a typewriter and cut open a vein.

 * Write drunk; edit sober. (e.g. ) I did only a quick search, no credible source found - yet.
 * Just found something that might be helpful:
 * “Write drunk, edit sober” sounds good, but the problem is that it’s not by Hemingway. The quote is all over the internet being attributed to EH, but no one ever gives a source in Hemingway’s works or conversations. This is because the quote is almost certainly by a novelist called Peter De Vries. He published a novel called “Reuben, Reuben” in 1964, where the main character is based on a famous drunkard poet, Dylan Thomas. On page 242 the character says this:

“Sometimes I write drunk and revise sober, and sometimes I write sober and revise drunk. But you have to have both elements in creation — the Apollonian and the Dionysian, or spontaneity and restraint, emotion and discipline.”
 * Hopes this help settle the issue Westley Turner (talk) 18:54, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

 * There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow man; true nobility is being superior to your former self.
 * Attributed several times to Mr. Hemingway, but never with a proper source.

The Sun Also Rises
'How did you go bankrupt?' Bill asked. 'Two ways,' Mike said. 'Gradually and then suddenly.'  [no signature]
 * I did a search at http://books.google.com/books?id=aQ_-zZXzfPoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=sun+also+rises&hl=en&sa=X&ei=rbtiUev6EJOxqwHH2ICQDg&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAA and I can't find this one in that book. Nor can I find "It occurs first very slowly, then all at once." Perhaps this quote is an urban legend? 70.194.131.60 12:43, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found it. (I think the google books page doesn't search the entire work.) 70.194.131.60 13:08, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Dead dog with blood oozing out of the carcass redundant here.
The dead dog's picture is extreme graphic and unsuitable for the topic. Please remove it.
 * The image of the dead dog is entirely appropriate to accompany Hemingway's statement from "Notes on the Next War" (1935): "They wrote in the old days that it is sweet and fitting to die for ones country. But in modern war there is nothing sweet nor fitting in your dying. You will die like a dog for no good reason."
 * The image is obviously a disturbing one to most people, but the statement is meant to be a disturbing one as well, and one whose point should not to be swept away or diluted by a failure to consider many aspects of what such a statement means or implies about modern warfare and the effects it has on humanity in either promoting it or accepting it, and some aspects of the actual results. ~ Kalki (talk · contributions) 15:22, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I completely agree. The photo is sad but true and fair. If you don't have problems with Hemingway's writing, than this shouldn't feel out of place.

 * So should we replace it with a picture of a tortured bull? Because, Hemingway wrote way more words about bulls (and steers) than dogs.  Dogs almost non-existent in Hemingway (find me one!)   More frequent than dogs are dead and blown-up H. sapiens.  That would be more accurate 76.172.3.233 02:42, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

 * Just because there's a line about a dead dog doesn't mean there needs to be an image of a dead dog; not all readers of Hemingway enjoy him for the morbidity—and really the line isn't *about* a dog, but using it as a simile, so as he's not actually describing a dead dog, but how a human will die in modern war, then the use of such an image is random and inappropriate. Furthermore maybe the image is "true and fair," but people don't come to the Hemingway wiki site to see pictures of dead animals.  Other pictures, less graphic or controversial, and more helpful, and more relevant, would be better.  Hemingway has a lot of types of statements in his books, so to choose an image that is disturbing and then justifying its use because Hemingway is sometimes "disturbing" is only a matter of interpretation, and a limited one at that.
 * Hemingway's statement is a harsh one, and the image is appropriately harsh, and I believe his statement, the image, and the statement I made in December 2011 still hold up well: "The image is obviously a disturbing one to most people, but the statement is meant to be a disturbing one as well, and one whose point should not to be swept away or diluted by a failure to consider many aspects of what such a statement means or implies about modern warfare and the effects it has on humanity in either promoting it or accepting it, and some aspects of the actual results." ~ ♞☤☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 09:12, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

I find it entirely ironic that throughout Hemingway's literary career he constantly strived to present the reader with the stark realism of human existence, the unfeeling stoicism of the universe, and the unfiltered reality of this world, only to have people come to a web page about him and his works to complain about having to deal with a photo that represents exactly the reality he worked so hard to adequately express.

 * I think the image's reflection of reality, or disturbing nature, or whatever subjective aspect you want to attribute to it, is irrelevant. It doesn't have much to do with what Hemmingway is talking about. He's talking about the horrors of WWI/modern war. A modern picture of a dead dog only shares a word from his simile. It's missing the point. I have no issue with disturbing images, I do have an issue with the relationship of the image to the quote. It's unrelated to the context or meaning of what Hemmingway was talking about. I'd recommend somehting like https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Casualties_after_a_charge_(France)._Photographer-_H._D._Girdwood._(13875651443).jpg

as a replacement. It is no less disturbing, and more specific to what Hemmingway was talking about...men dying in unromantic ways during the war. If there's no opposition to this, I will edit it. 12.11.127.253 14:56, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

I've hear this attribitued to Hemingway, I don't know if it's legit
"Critics are men who watch the battle from a high place, then come down and shoot the survivors."

If it is and someone can source it, I don't think that it's on the page.

Thank you

 * [During his show interview, Whitney Cummings] loves [and repeated] this quote she read [to Howard Stern]: "Critics are the people that go to the battle site after the war has been won and then they shoot the survivors."

 * “Critics are men who watch a battle from a high place then come down and shoot the survivors.”—Hemingway. and “without some negative feedback, without criticism, the local burlesque bubble is destined to burst.”—Dan Savage

In every port in the world, at least two Estonians can be found
So what are the rules concerning using bold for quotes? Does that mean they are actually paraphrasings? Since the actual quote is something different: "...yacht with two of the three hundred and twenty-four Esthonians(sic) who were sailing around in different parts of the world, in boats between 28 and 36 feet long and sending back articles to the Esthonian newspapers... No well-run yacht basin in Southern waters is complete without at least two sunburned, salt bleach-headed Esthonians..."

This anomaly now fixed. 46.11.21.202 22:48, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Hemingway Hero: "A man who lives correctly..."
Does anyone know the source of this quote? I see it all over the internet with claims that Hemingway was describing the typical "Hemingway Hero." I haven't been able to verify it. Here is the full quote: "a man who lives correctly, following the ideals of honor, courage and endurance in a world that is sometimes chaotic, often stressful, and always painful."

Trust
Does anyone know which book this quote came from?

“The best way to find out if you can trust somebody is to trust them.”

Supposedly from one of the many letters of his that have surfaced since his death.

Answer: This is a popular misquote. The real quote is: "The way to make people trust-worthy is to trust them." It is found in the book "Ernest Hemingway Selected Letters 1917-1961", edited by Carlos Baker. In the letter to Dorothy Connable he was warning her about Charles Fenton, who spread misinformation about Hemingway's life. The above quote is immediately followed by, "But this man is not a person that works with that system."

Quotes about the soviet union
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Hemingway%2C+the+American+left%2C+and+the+Soviet+Union%3A+some+forgotten...-a016114351

 * Twenty-four years of discipline and labor have created an eternal glory, the name of which is the Red Army. Anyone who loves freedom owes such a debt to the Red Army that it can never be repaid. But we can declare that the Soviet Union will receive the arms, money, and provisions it needs. Anyone who fulminates against Hitler should consider the Red Army a heroic model which must be imitated.

 * In 1942 you saved the world from the forces of barbarity, offering resistance alone, almost without help.

 * At the end of the year our first efforts in Africa were launched. This is a symbol of a promise. Every able man in America will work and fight, together with the workers and peasants of the Soviet Union, for our common cause--the complete obliteration of fascism from the world and the guarantee of freedom, peace, and justice for all people.

—SpanishSnake (talk) 01:08, 10 May 2018 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/A blind man running for his life will never see the difference. Scot proverb (Granny Kerr)

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The result was: delete. — MosheZadka 00:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)

A blind man running for his life will never see the difference. Scot proverb (Granny Kerr)
Not really a proverb (proverbs should be folk wisdom, not attributed to a specific grandmother), and not really a proverb article. One of the problems, probably, with the Help:Starting a new page system :( ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 06:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: delete (3 delete, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 00:17, 23 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 06:41, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. I also tweaked the input box for proverbs, calling it "proverb collections", which will hopefully make a little clearer what we expect a proverb article to be. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 08:31, 8 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete--Aphaia 18:07, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/A speech made by The Prince of Wales at a Business Lunch in Mumbai held with members of the business community, A speech for the opening of the Pembrokeshire Meat Company Abattoir

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 07:17, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

A speech made by The Prince of Wales at a Business Lunch in Mumbai held with members of the business community, A speech for the opening of the Pembrokeshire Meat Company Abattoir
And also A Time to Heal by HRH The Prince of Wales, A speech to open the second Prince of Wales Education Summer School

All of them were transwikied. Former I thought it were better for us to keep it, but now I change my mind. We have already Transwiki log. If necessary, we can keep record on the transwiki log, and of course on Wikisource. --Aphaia 8 July 2005 03:04 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: Deleted (3 Deletes; no dissent; apparent enthusiastic consensus to delete all completed transwikis). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:17, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I have completed the deletion of all cited speech articles after confirming they have been properly logged and transferred to Wikisource. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 22:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete:--Aphaia 8 July 2005 03:04 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 8 July 2005 05:44 (UTC)
 * Comment: What about A Tryst With Destiny? ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 8 July 2005 05:44 (UTC)
 * Comment: Others which might be deleted with same rationale: MacArthur's farewell speech to Congress, MacArthur's farewell speech to West Point ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 8 July 2005 06:45 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think they are just with the same rationales. And we have already deleted one former transwikied article, if I recall correctly. --Aphaia 8 July 2005 07:00 (UTC)
 * Comment: Another one for the list: I have a Dream ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 8 July 2005 08:14 (UTC)
 * Comment: yet another: Installation Speech (Adrienne Clarkson) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 8 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)
 * Comment: "Tuez-les tous; Dieu reconnaitra les siens." ("Kill them all; for (wikisource) knoweth them that are His.") [after Arnaud-Amaury, Abbot of Citeaux, 1209, when asked by the Crusaders what to do with the citizens of Beziers who were a mixture of Catholics and Cathars. See Albigensian Crusade for this story] ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 8 July 2005 07:13 (UTC)
 * Comment: We are better to reorganize this request? I thought it would be better to review some of them and go ahead gradually, but there are at least ten similar pages (and perhaps more). See Special:Ancientpages #15-#32.--Aphaia 8 July 2005 08:20 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd like to do them all in one go, and forget about it. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 8 July 2005 09:31 (UTC)
 * Speech to the Troops at Tilbury, The Gettysburg Address, Whiskey Speech too ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 8 July 2005 12:10 (UTC)
 * Delete them all. Okay, folks, this is getting ridiculous. This is our third attempt in a few months to delete articles against transwiki policy, and yet no one has discussed this issue where policy could be changed — Help talk:Transwiki or Category talk:Transwiki — except myself and Rmhermen. Therefore, I will take a "delete" consensus on this vote as an consensus to change Wikiquote policy to permit the speedy deletion of all transwikied articles, which defies Transwiki policy, but is in reality the common practice. Any objections may be raised at Help talk:Transwiki. — Jeff Q (talk) 00:34, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I think this speaks, more than anything, to the fact that I (at least, possibly others) were not even aware of this previous discussion. Thank you, Jeff, for pointing to that discussion. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 04:44, 10 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: As I just noted at Help:Transwiki, my memory is faulty. Help:Transwiki (which I wrote — duh!) already includes a speedy-deletion step for articles that have been successfully transwikied. From now own, we can just delete them (without VfD) once the transwiki process has been completed. But we need to verify completion before deleting. Sorry about the confusion. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 09:25, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Untangling these transwikied articles is complicated. Virtually nobody is logging outgoing transwiki action as required. I have just verified and deleted every Wikisource-incoming article that was properly logged there and added logs entries for them here. Any blue links above have not been completely or properly transwikied yet, so please don't speedy-delete them. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 10:20, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Aaron Franks

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The result was: Deleted. — Jeffq 08:56, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Aaron Franks
Several quote websites have this (and only this) unsourced quote for this person, but no other info. Unable to find any noteworthy person by this name. (An obscure sportswriter; a lawyer from a firm with a web page; an alias of a B5 character in one episode, in which he doesn't say this; an obscure Edmonton stage actor, etc. — but nobody famous.) Anyone hear of him? — Jeff Q (talk) 08:07, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED: Result: Deleted (2 Delete [1 after close]; no dissent). Sorry 'bout the delay in effecting closure. — Jeff Q (talk) 08:56, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. No sign of notability. — Jeff Q (talk) 01:04, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete Not notable. --Aphaia 07:49, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Adam Margolin

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The result was: kept. ~ Kalki 12:00, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Adam Margolin
See w:Adam Margolin (which may very well be deleted by now); this person is completely unnotable and has said nothing interesting. --Pyrop 18:58, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I would have to disagree with your assessment. He has some very funny taglines and has made some very interesting observations on life. I agree that he shouldn't quit his day job (he helps me too much), but I think he's going places. As for his unnotablity, he is reknowned in his field, as he is considered by many to be the best computer programmer in the specialized aspect of his field. I believe that quotes provide an interesting slice of life of a graduate student at Columbia. Andreas C 20:26, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I intend to conform my actions to whatever decision is made at the Wikipedia on the article there, but I confess I fully expect the article to be deleted as a vanity page, sometime within the next few days. ~ Kalki 20:40, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * That sounds fair, but I have to disagree with you about the chances of Mr. Margolin's article. His article is far longer than any of the articles that are tagged for speedy deletion, and his is clearly the only one that makes a point or even makes sense.  Either way, we will let fate play out.Andreas C 20:47, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Do you really think the article is that bad? If so, is it salvagable?  Or he is too "unnotable" and completely unworthy of a page?  Slambodog 02:39, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * I do not know who you were addressing, but though I can disagree with the statement made by Pyrop, that would imply Margolin or anyone is "completely unnotable and has said nothing interesting", I yet understand the reaction that produces such comments; there are definitely practical limits to the levels of notability of people that can be given an encyclopedia article at the Wikipedia, or an article here. No decision has yet been made at the Wikipedia, and both articles have some interesting statements, but I still believe the article at the Wikipedia is unlikely to survive more than a few days. ~ Kalki 03:35, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Just one hour ago, the user Frazzydee has deemed this not to be a "speedy." Assuming Mr. Damji has authority to do this, I proud to report that Mr. Margolin has survived the speedy deletion process.  Slambodog 06:12, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Your statement was a little dense, so I had some trouble understanding it, especially considering how late it was getting. Now that I understand, let me clarify.  What I meant was that, if you (Kalki) were so sure that the article would be deleted, was it because the article itself was bad or was it because the Adam Margolin is simply not worthy of a page?  If it were the former, I could try to get in touch with Mr. Margolin, and add some substance.  However, if it were the latter, then que sera, sera.  Slambodog 20:11, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I am for deletion. Even if we accept quotations by unnotable persons but with interesting contents, this article has no intelectually interesting significance. Just a silly talk. --Aphaia 23:08, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)
 * Despite my own impressions that the person is probably not as yet notable enough to merit a page at Wikipedia, the page there remains, probably because of his published papers, and thus I will retain one here, so long as that is the case. ~ Kalki 12:00, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * The status of this article at Wikipedia has changed... it is now to be deleted, pending the technical problems that are currently preventing some deletions. I think that the time has come to delete this as well, if possible. ~ Kalki 19:36, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure how other projects handle archives of superceded VfDs, but in this solitary odd case (so far), I think I could attach this dialog to the new vote as a subsection so that (A) it's not lost and (B) the article's complete VfD history is available in one place. If no one objects to the proposed archive reformatting, I hope to do this when I convert the archive. — Jeff Q (talk) 20:22, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Academy Award

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The result was: UNIDENTIFIED. NO SIGNATURE

Academy Award
Non-quote expository article. Text lifted directly from two pages  of Motion Picture Academy website, in clear violation of their copyright. — Jeff Q (talk) 09:15, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED: deleted. (2 deletes, no dissent).
 * Delete. Jeff Q (talk) 09:15, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. We should probably develop a copyright violation procedure as well. Rmhermen 15:42, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Address Unknown "episodes"

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The result was: delete. — MosheZadka 17:00, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Address Unknown "episodes"
The following articles have been transwikied from Wikipedia: These appear to be complete transcriptions of "episodes" from Address Unknown, a fictional TV show featured within the video game Max Payne. They seem to be improper on several levels. First, Wikiquote is not an appropriate venue for transcriptions. If they are not copyrighted, they belong on Wikisource. If they are copyrighted (which seems most likely), they don't belong in any MediaWiki project. Second, it seems highly questionable that a fictional TV show shown only in pieces within a video game is notable enough for its own article. Even the Wikipedia article on the overall "television series" seems quite fancruftian, and probably ought to be only a section of the Max Payne article. Third, even if Address Unknown is considered notable, it hardly seems to require one article per episode, since we do not allow complete transcriptions. A single article would suffice for quotes, assuming there is anything worth quoting. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:44, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Address Unknown: Episode 1
 * Address Unknown: Episode 2
 * Address Unknown: Episode 3
 * Address Unknown: Episode 4
 * Address Unknown: Episode 5
 * Address Unknown: Episode 6
 * VOTE CLOSED: Result: delete (2 delete, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 17:00, 25 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. However, if we decide the subject is notable, I favor placing any quoted material in a Max Payne subsection for the "TV show", unless and until it's proven substantial enough to merit a separate article. After all, there is no actual TV show. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:44, 10 September 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete copyvios ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:24, 11 September 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Adrian Speyer

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The result was: delete. — MosheZadka 12:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

Adrian Speyer
Assumingly vanity: on English Wikipdia there is no article, but 13 deleted revisions since last June 3. --Aphaia 6 July 2005 06:29 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result delete and ask about quote on reference desk (3 deletes, no dissent) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by MosheZadka (talk • contribs) 12:49, 21 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Delete. --Aphaia 6 July 2005 06:29 (UTC)
 * Delete and move "you can call a horse a duck" quote to Anonymous ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 6 July 2005 07:30 (UTC)
 * Comment: Is this quote notable itself? (Just curious. I know such sense varies by person). --Aphaia 6 July 2005 08:12 (UTC)
 * Well, it does seem to be a popular idiom, if not precisely in that format (usually, just saying something like "you can call a horse a duck, but still college students are not academics" or something similar -- that is, not quoting the second part). ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 6 July 2005 08:20 (UTC)
 * Delete unless evidence of notability provided. And technically this quote shouldn't go into Anonymous, as it isn't. If this person isn't notable, and the sense of his quote isn't original (which is certain; I've heard variations on this for decades), then just delete it and wait for someone to add an older anonymous version. Every one of these "but we can fix it with a little research" situations adds to the burden of those who actively participate on broad Wikiquote issues, and we're already getting behind and sloppy on important problems that must be handled by a tiny fraction of Wikiquotians. Let the community do what a community can do best. — Jeff Q (talk) 22:59, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: How about putting it on Reference desk, if anonymous lacks the original quote? --Aphaia 23:12, 9 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent idea. I can't think of a better use for Reference desk than asking the community to find the origin of a quote. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:59, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Alan Suja

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The result was: deleted. — MosheZadka 05:24, 7 August 2005 (UTC)

Alan Suja
One unsourced quote in "sourced", no wp article, google points to various places, which don't seem promising. The only thing I managed to find is a reference to Alan & Suja, supposed to be a short comedy by a small production company. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 14:26, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: deleted (3 delete, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:24, 7 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 14:26, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless evidence provided of notability. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 16:48, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Unverifiable, nonsense. jni 09:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Yoda & Jar Jar Binks

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The result was: inconclusive; no action taken.. — Jeffq 02:20, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Yoda & Jar Jar Binks
I love Yoda, he is one of my favorite characters in the Star Wars sagas, but people looking for quotes by Yoda should be able to find them in the Star Wars movies page and not have to hunt further, and there shouldn't be duplication just to give him a page. I am someone who doesn't believe we should make pages just for quotes of fictional characters: they should be quoted in the works that they are a part of. - Moby 22:27, 10 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: inconclusive; no action taken. (See Talk:VFD for details.) — Jeff Q (talk) 02:20, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * How wude! 69.243.41.28 02:55, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

 * A page also exists for Jar Jar Binks, I am proposing that the quotes from these be incorporated into sections beneath the movies on the Star Wars page, and then these can be deleted. I will allow at least a month for comments before I do anything about this. ~ Kalki 05:24, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * Keep. Guanaco 02:18, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)
 * Why not just link to Yoda from the Star Wars page? Many ppl might look for yoda on his own (especially because of his strange diction). I don't know if the same should be done for Jar Jar Binks. Or u could put 2 sample quotes and give a link to the full page of quotes. 65.7.166.232 22:18, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC) (BrokenSegue from wikipedia)

 * As a non-fan of the Star Wars franchise, though appreciative of its effect on popular culture via my siblings who were of age to enjoy the movies when they were initially released in theaters, I suggest we let the Yoda quotes stay in the Wiki. They're certainly not doing any harm, and unless there's a copyright issue, Yoda's words are easily as important, recognizable, and relevant as any modern-day real-world philosopher's, in the context of a quote-based Wiki. I see no reason why this page should have the dreaded "suggested for deletion" mark on it... quite contrary to the modern evolution of knowledge.

Apologies for any shortsightedness on my part... -JIV

 * I too think that we should let the yoda quotes page stay. I myself reached this page upon searching for 'yoda quotes' in google. - roshan

 * I am considering simply making the Yoda page a redirect to a section on the Star Wars page, for quotes made by Yoda. Similar sections could be made for other major characters, but personally I think Jar Jar Binks lists low as a quotable character, and probably should not be given his own section, let alone a page. A little duplication of quotes, even on a page, would not be too bad, but if a character is given his own section I think that most of his quotes from any of the movies should generally go there. I wouldn't mind only Yoda being given such a section, or otherwise this page might eventually evolve into a page with sections for major characters, and quotes in the sections on the movies might be relegated to those from relatively minor characters. I do think it is more convenient for people seeking Star Wars quotations to find them all on one page, and not have them scattered over many small ones. ~ Kalki 16:39, 2 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I say keep. Sure he's a fictional character but many his sayings have passed into popular culture which makes hime very quotable. ~Alex

 * I vote we move both to the Star Wars article, and have the current articles redesignated as redirects to Star Wars. The alternative is to break down the Star Wars pages by character and redesignate the Yoda and Jar Jar Binks pages as redirects to that specific character on Star Wars. Either will work with me, as lng as they're somewhere. --Zarggg 01:52, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * I say keep. Yoda has the best quotes.

 * Yoda is a pop icon whose appearance alone can drive up an publication/productions revenue. His quotes have spawned the interest and analysis of millions, keep him!

 * I came to this page by searching Google for "Yoda Quotes", since I was specifically looking for words of wisdom from the Jedi master, and not generic Star Wars quotes. I suggest that the Yoda page remain separate.

 * Keep on both. When does this vote close? I'm new here :). Gaurav 15:38, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * Redirect to Star Wars, but reorganize Star Wars to group by character, with a separate section on dialog, under each film. That way, it's not too difficult to find all the quotes of any significant character, the source is easily recognized, and multiple-character dialog has an unambiguous place to go. (I can even add a custom TOC to make it easier to jump to character/dialog/show if there's interest.) — Jeff Q (talk) 17:15, 19 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect until Star Wars becomes too large. I notice that Yoda is already redirected. Rmhermen 16:08, 1 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Wives

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The result was: merge and redirect. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 02:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

Wives
Tagged as VfD by Aphaia but not listed here. ~ MosheZadka 08:13, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: merge and redirect (1 merge and redirect, no dissent) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 02:09, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge with Marriage and redirect. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 12:47, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Will Cuppy

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The result was: Keep. — Jeffq 04:50, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Will Cuppy
This was tagged for speedy deletion, but I changed it to VfD to give it a couple of weeks for improvement. — Jeff Q (talk) 00:18, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Results: Keep (2 Keeps, no dissent; article substantially improved). — Jeff Q (talk) 04:50, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I commit to adding a decent number of quotes from The Decline and Fall of Practically Everybody, and possibly some other works, during the next two weeks. — Jeff Q (talk) 00:18, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * I have now added about 40 quotes from Decline and Fall, and plan many more. — Jeff Q (talk) 15:34, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep now. Rmhermen 13:19, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Wikiquote:Reference desk

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The result was: keep. — Jeff Q (talk) 11:08, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Reference desk
Tagged for speedy delete by RoboAction. I changed it back to VFD because it could have a legitimate purpose on Wikiquote, as it does on Wikipedia — namely, a place for Wikiquotians to ask non-Wikiquote questions, as a library customer might ask a librarian a general-knowledge question. Should we: delete it because we don't have the community desire for this off-topic forum; redirect it to Village pump, where we handle most questions in this still-small community; or keep it, as it is harmless if no one responds, and could be useful if other Wikiquotians take an interest in playing reference librarian on occasion? — Jeff Q (talk) 05:02, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: 3 Keeps, no dissent; page also made useful in the interim. — Jeff Q (talk) 11:08, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Now that I know it's there, I'll play librarian if I can. — Jeff Q (talk) 05:02, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It wouldn't be harmful if no one responds to irrelevant questions. And it is friendly we have a page as such. And I appliciate Jeff Q greatly for his offer. --Aphaia 05:11, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Rmhermen 00:11, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Wikiquote:Pay attention to spelling

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The result was: UNIDENTIFIED. NO SIGNATURE

Pay attention to spelling
Such comments belong on talk pages, the village pump or introductory pages, really don't deserve a page of their own. ~ Moby 03:40, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

 * There was a link on the Policies and guidelines page (largely based upon a Wikipedia page) for such a page. If no one objects, sometime in the next week or so, I will direct that link to the Wikipedia page on the matter, and delete this one. ~ Kalki 05:08, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC) // I never did this, and might let things rest as they are. ~ Kalki

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Wikiquote:Category schemes

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The result was: Keep. — Jeffq 23:27, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Category schemes
Created as anonymous-user spam page on 25 Dec 2004, then tagged by RoboAction for deletion. — Jeff Q (talk) 22:06, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: Keep (1 Keep, 1 implicit Keep, 1 Redirect/Delete; article was also made useful in the interim). — Jeff Q (talk) 23:27, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect or rename? Category use is still fairly new. Is there not a useful meta-topic in this somewhat vague term? I haven't noticed an overview or central article on Category use (like w:Wikipedia:Category) here at Wikiquote. I offer to copy and edit some stuff from Wikipedia unless there is something here that I've just missed. — Jeff Q (talk) 22:06, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've changed my vote after Rmhermen turned this into a useful article. There's now a substantial discussion about categorization on its Talk page, as well, which I hope other Wikiquotians will participate in. — Jeff Q (talk) 23:31, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * I prefer to turn it into a redirect or delete it simply. A document "Category" (or Categories) would be very helpful! But I think we don't need not every categories on Wikipedia - like "1700 death". *g --Aphaia 09:56, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

 * I didn't mean we need to use Wikipedia categories themselves. I'd just like to see a "Wikiquote:" namespace page that explains categories and provides some guidance on how to name them and use them, tailored to Wikiquote needs. I'm sure Categories have been discussed elsewhere in Wikiquote, but there should be a central, logical place to find such discussions. — Jeff Q (talk) 20:47, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I have some questions about category. Where do we discuss this? Rmhermen 23:12, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps on Village pump for now. I'm writing up a summary of the Wikiquote category situation as I see it, which I hope to post there in the next few hours. But don't let me hold you up. — Jeff Q (talk) 01:19, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I started a new discussion on the village pump about filling in some gaps in Wikiquote's current use of Wikimedia Categories. Its outcome affects this article, so folks might want to check it out. — Jeff Q (talk) 04:26, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * I have tried to turn this into something we can use, anticipating the conclusion of the discussion on the Village Pump. Rmhermen 14:05, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep: I change my opinion. After editing by Rmhermen it turns to a quite useful document. --Aphaia 09:24, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/War of the Worlds (television)

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The result was: Keep as Redirect. --Aphaia 22:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

War of the Worlds (television)
I moved this page from War of the Worlds and went to post it on Television shows only to find War of the Worlds (TV series). The two pages are exactly identical, so obviously there is only need to keep one. Zhaladshar 12:37, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED: Keep as Redirect (2 redirected, 1 delete, however already turned to redirect during the vote). --Aphaia 22:20, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge any quotes not on one or the other and redirect MosheZadka 13:13, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Both pages have the same set of quotes. Redirected.  Zhaladshar 13:18, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm afraid this confusion was my fault. Bacteria added War of the Worlds to Television shows and five minutes later saved that new page he was working on. Unfortunately, I just happened to have done my periodic review of "Television shows" right in the middle of that, not only moving WotW to "Requested" (as it was not yet created), but disambiguating it (because of the more famous 1953 SF classic of the same name). When Bacteria found the link missing, he/she used the new link to create the same page. It was basically a human race condition, one of the inevitable results of using separately-maintained lists rather than MediaWiki categories. I've fixed one resulting double-redirect, so now all three go correctly to the current War of the Worlds (TV series) page. — Jeff Q (talk) 13:55, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Can this vote be archived now? It is no longer relevant. MosheZadka 13:31, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Disambiguity information isn't necessary to redirect. --Aphaia 21:19, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Vulcan Proverbs

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The result was: No consensus. — Jeffq 07:18, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vulcan Proverbs
--It's from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country. Spock said "There's an old Vulcan proverb, 'Only Nixon could go to China'," referring to sending Kirk and crew on a diplomatic mission to the Klingons. It was said in dialogue on screen. Vote: NO
 * Vote Closed. Result: No consensus (2 Deletes; 2 Keeps; 1 unsigned vote). I will move the article to a proper title (as described below). — Jeff Q (talk) 07:18, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that the Vulcan's knew Nixon. Delete. Rmhermen 03:27, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not, this is an actual quote from Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country (although I haven't verified the exact text). Spock said it when volunteering Kirk and the Enterprise for a Federation/Klingon detente meeting. One assumes he was being ironic by claiming it as a Vulcan saying. — Jeff Q (talk) 04:27, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless the page adds actual Vulcan proverbs (it's possible, ST is a huge franchise). MosheZadka 04:09, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I won't bother to do so unless this article survives its VfD, but it should be moved to Vulcan proverbs. — Jeff Q (talk) 04:29, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: if this quote is indeed real, then I wonder if we should delete... I don't think that we generally delete pages with only one quote in them. Perhaps it's better to wait and see if someone improves it. Sams 20:44, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It is now vastly expanded upon.Caiman 20:06, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Now a new and usual fear struck me: Is it remaining within the sphere of Fair Use? Quotes is not the citation of whole things .... --Aphaia 20:43, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: The article is expanded, but from a source called "Surak's Scroll" that has no legitimate citations, no mention in the Wikipedia article on Surak, and zero hits on Google in any of the forms I tried. As it stands, this strikes me as an even greater reason to delete the article. I've posted a note on its talk page to encourage explanation. — Jeff Q (talk) 03:03, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * OK... seems like you're right, but since 2 other people already tried to contribute to this article, I don't think that we should have eagerness to delete it, and instead we can keep it and wait for some time, perhaps more input from 'trekkers' will emerge... Sams 03:48, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sam, do you convince those contribs are legitimate quotes and not fan creations? --Aphaia 03:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I personally know nothing about vulcans and star trek, therefore my opinion here is only in the level of general principles. I think that if we notice articles that seem like a hoax that were created with malicious intent, creating confusion, or containing insults, then we should even speedy-delete them (in the rare cases where we would get it wrong, no big deal, they can be recreated). However, if it seems that the intent was ok, but the contribs didn't get it right, then, assuming that it's possible for the article to be improved (I don't really understand if that's the case here), we should have a more liberal approach, and first try the talk page (like JeffQ did) for a while, before VFD. I note that Jeffq raised a good point, about "legitimacy to spurious information by getting it replicated in search engines". However, JeffQ, with all due respect to TV series, there might be better places to start... For example, I noticed the George Galloway article and cleaned it up a little, but someone dumped in there his 1994 speech with no good source, and if you google sentences from it now, you'll get wikiquote as the result, and perhaps a few message boards with the same thing. It's probably more or less accurate, perhaps completely accurate, but we give it legitimacy on wikiquote without really knowing... BTW in this particular case, the entire page should in fact be divided into 2 wikisource articles, but it seems that the wikipedia people like to use wikiquote for dumping their superfluous data... Sams 10:46, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd actually be in favor of keeping this article if what my inadequate recollection suggests are many proverb-like quotes were reliably listed. But I'd rather delete an article filled with junk now than wait from someone to do due diligence to make this article accurate, which can take months or even years on WQ, while we lend legitimacy to spurious information by getting it replicated in search engines. I think the warning of impending deletion serves to motivate keepers to do the work necessary to make this a useful and accurate article. If not, it can always be recreated later. If no evidence is provided for the legitimacy of the current content and we still keep the article, I'll probably just remove everything not backed up by references (which is currently all but the original single quote). — Jeff Q (talk) 04:34, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment though the vote closed already, and there is no consensus to delete it (there are the same number of votes for keeps and deletes, 2-2 except Jeffq's latest comment), I would like to extent the vote for some days, like three days or a week. My current position is alike to Jeffq. Now delete, and wait someday a trekker will submit a collection of "legitimate" Valcan proverbs, if exists. So
 * Delete. --Aphaia 07:21, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should count a vote after closure, otherwise what is the point of have a close date? Anyway, since we aim for community consensus, which is not strictly defined but is frequently considered most valid around two-thirds (67%) or more of voting users, another "delete" vote wouldn't change the results. (It would be 60/40 for "delete"; my comment was deliberately not a vote one way or another). Using my judgment per policy, I believe that the community has not achieved the consensus to delete. I do plan, however, to remove the questionable quotes mentioned above until such time as someone can provide a credible source for them, and will endeavor in the near future both to verify the current substantiated quote and to collect some others. Further discussion on this issue should probably take place at Talk:Vulcan proverbs. — Jeff Q (talk) 07:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Veronica Mars

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The result was: keep. — Jeff Q (talk) 11:14, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Veronica Mars
Only provides two undescribed (but appropriate) external links and the star's name. I changed a speedy delete tag to a VFD after asking anonymous creator to contribute some quotes. Suggest holding off for a few weeks to see if anyone adds some content.— Jeff Q (talk) 21:23, 29 Mar 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Results: 5 valid (signed) Keeps, no dissent; article made incredibly useful in the interim. Tremendous work done by at least 8 different editors! A real success for using VfD to rescue articles. — Jeff Q (talk) 11:14, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Forgot to sign this one, Moshe
 * Keep -- Added one quote, plan to do more soon.
 * Keep -- Added two quotes, and now that I know about this page, I'll be adding more in the future. [sorry I didn't sign in/register before ... didn't know that I needed to, eep!] Whiteowl4 00:10, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * You don't need to register. If you sign without registering, your IP address is listed. — Jeff Q (talk) 04:34, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Added a couple of quotes and am planning on adding more.
 * Keep now. Note to anonymous - unsigned votes aren't counted. Rmhermen 21:16, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Several anonymous contributors have done an excellent job adding substantial content to this article. (I've also asked them to come back and sign their votes to allow them to be counted.) — Jeff Q (talk) 23:19, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's taken me a while to work out how to do this but I've added and will continue to add quotes. 195.93.21.99 13:45, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

 * Should the VfD tag be removed from the VM page? I am not sure how to do it, I would appreciate if some sysop would do that. MosheZadka 02:54, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Removed. Thank you for your notice and sorry for your annoyance. --Aphaia 03:32, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * That was my fault. I forgot to remove VfD tags from a couple of articles when I closed the votes. Thanks to Aphaia et al. for picking up after me! ☺ — Jeff Q (talk) 03:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Tupac Shakur

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The result was: kept/no consensus. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:56, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Tupac Shakur
I don't really expect a wholesale delete on this article, as it has a lot of useful quotes, but there is considerable material in it that seems like clear copyright violations, and I don't believe we have a formal mechanism yet for citing copyvios outside of VfD. (It also needs some format cleanup, and Tupac fans ought to be able to move some of the Attributed lyrics into Sourced.) I recommend anyone wanting to keep this article remove any complete lyrics or poems, leaving only pithy excerpts, before the vote close date. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 05:40, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: kept due to no consensus (no proper votes; 1 late Keep vote). Mission accomplished anyway, as the article appears not to be a copyvio risk now. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 17:56, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment: I don't know his work, so can't make my opinion properly. But "Poetry" section could exceed fair use and copyvio ... --Aphaia 09:17, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Comment: I removed Poetry and Lyrics because of possible copyright violation. Hope it will not be deleted now.
 * Added by User:62.131.147.125 ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 13:15, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep now, after potential copyvio removals. My thanks to 62.131.147.125 for stepping up to the plate. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 14:47, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Tomb Raider

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The result was: kept. ~ Kalki 18:56, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Tomb Raider
The page was created 3 months ago and still has no content. -70.64.43.247 18:39, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * As it is a fairly popular series, I think eventually quotes are likely here, and see no need to delete it. One problem that will probably arise is whether the pages for the games or the movies should be given priority for the "Tomb Raider" designation, or both eventually given names like  Tomb Raider (games) and/or Tomb Raider (movies). ~ Kalki 18:56, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/To Kit

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The result was: Kept. — Jeffq 05:41, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

To Kit
No notability, no external links, only edited by one (anonymous) user.MosheZadka 13:19, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: Kept (3 Keeps; 1 Delete; notability evidence provided and article revised to address some concerns). — Jeff Q (talk) 05:41, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete MosheZadka 13:19, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless provided with some evidence of notability. Quotes seem thoughtful enough to be real, but without context, this sounds much more like a vanity page than a published or otherwise documented source. — Jeff Q (talk) 15:00, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep, based on article revisions. Would have been useful if author had provided the Wikipedia link in the article ([2] below); I've rectified that omission. — Jeff Q (talk) 19:25, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. It's genuine then... Sams 21:08, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. Actually this page is translated by me, Jerry Crimson Mann, a wikipedia user. Its Chinese version should be at . To Kit is a famous Hong Kong columnist. (For further details, see here: [])(vote from anon, 218.102.234.33).
 * I point out "votes from anon" is problematic in the view of legitimacy. Hence registration is recommended ;-) Aph.
 * Keep And now the Wikipedia link was also provided. --Aphaia 06:44, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/The Searchers

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The result was: kept.. — Aphaia 20:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

The Searchers
No quotes ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:49, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed. Result: kept. (5 keeps, 1 delete w/o 2 withdrawn votes; due to expansion, those voters changed their mind). --Aphaia 20:39, 6 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 11:49, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep now, as usual wonderful work by UDScott. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 14:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless quotes provided. This is an encylopedia stub that hasn't had any quotes added in nearly 6 months. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:24, 23 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep now. Excellent work on a neglected article. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 23:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Movie synopsis, no quote content. jni 09:11, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. I've added quotes for this film. Question: should the synopsis remain? If so, is this something that we should be including with all film entries? UDScott 14:11, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I've restructured the intro to show the more-or-less consensus: an extremely short one line intro describing the movie's main premise, with some information about cast. In movies, like in other wikiquote articles, a one (or perhaps two or three at the most) sentence introduction is ideal. No introduction is bad -- we want readers to have some idea. A paragraph long introduction is probably too long -- either link it to wikipedia (in case there is an article) or create a stub based around the paragraph in wikipedia if there is none. Thanks ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 14:45, 27 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep Now. --Aphaia 07:11, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. JButler 15:00, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/The Other Eden

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The result was: kept. — Jeffq 06:47, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

The Other Eden
One misspelled quote, no intro, no wp article. Google search points to half a dozen different ebooks and various references in blogs, but there's no actual book on amazon.com. Suspect self-published vanity. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 03:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Vote closes: 4 Aug 2005 3:45 (UTC)
 * Vote extended to: 17:50, 10 August 2005 (UTC)
 * VOTE CLOSED. Result: kept (3 Keeps; no dissent; article improved and correct title found). ~ Jeff Q (talk) 06:47, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 03:29, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep now. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 18:14, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete unless evidence of notability provided. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 07:18, 22 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep as stub now (see comment below). I will add new information to the article shortly. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:04, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete said Jeff, and I would like to have also appropriate biblio- or other sort graphical information (author, published year etc.)--Aphaia 14:06, 26 July 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep currently; if this quote could be attributed to the work Jeff pointed, it might be notable. --Aphaia 09:12, 5 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: In the process of closing this vote, I discovered that we'd missed an important clue: the link from List of literary works. This article is misnamed; it should be This Other Eden, by Ben Elton, well-known British comedian and writer, co-writer of Blackadder with Richard Curtis. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 13:04, 4 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, I should note here that I've added the ISBN for This Other Eden to the current article, and verified that it (and many other Elton works cited in his WP article) are available on Amazon. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 03:37, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/The Order of the Stick

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The result was: Kept. — Aphaia 8 July 2005 08:24 (UTC)

The Order of the Stick
A web comic (miserably stubby but it has no relevance to the request itself). Having its own article on English Wikiquote, but I doubt in general if those web comics (like web broadcasting dramas) are notable enough have their entries on Wikiquote. We need to establish our policy. --Aphaia 08:02, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: Kept (5 keep, no dissent). --Aphaia 8 July 2005 08:24 (UTC)
 * Keep: Might be biased as a regular reader, but there is a wikipedia article. I suggest, as usual, we adopt the wikipedia policy on web comics until and unless we have manpower to fashion our own. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 09:05, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep: Category:Comics has two other web comics (Queen of Wands and Something Positive), neither of which are candidates for deletion. Both are unfamiliar to me. Secondly, web comics are a notable cultural phenomenon, and OotS enjoys a very strong (at least) cult status both among web comics fans and Dungeons & Dragons fans. It should also be noted that the wikipedia entry used to have quotes from the comic, but were romeved to prevent making the article messy and not really belonging to Wikipedia - The Merciful 14:16, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: It has another one, Dinosaur Comics (which I started and has been edited by many editors since) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 01:18, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Keep. This may be our test case for keeping notable web-only creative works. It has a WP article with significant multiple-editor history, a solid presence in Google, and an author who has at least one published work (Eberron Explorer's Handbook, ISBN 0786936916) and who plans to publish an Order of the Stick book. Speaking as someone who'd never heard of this work before, I believe these points make the original webcomic sufficiently notable to quote from. — Jeff Q (talk) 01:17, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

 * Keep. 128.107.253.40 29 June 2005 23:14 (UTC) this is an orginal work by a pushlished writer
 * Comment: moved keep vote by anon (but signed!) to standard format. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 4 July 2005 05:43 (UTC)

 * Keep I agree with Jeffq Dinesh 7 July 2005 19:20 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/The Doctor (Doctor Who)

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The result was: Redirected. — Jeffq 15:38, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Doctor (Doctor Who)
No quotes, encyclopedia article. MosheZadka 08:31, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Vote closed. Result: Redirected (6 Redirects; 1 Delete; quotes already merged with target article). — Jeff Q (talk) 15:38, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete MosheZadka 08:31, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect with Doctor Who. I'm at loss whether to move quotes here, or just redirect this to the article about the series. jni 08:40, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect with Doctor Who. Rmhermen 05:39, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect His quotes are already on Doctor Who. --Jawr256 11:17, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: Bolstering my argument about excessive expansion of WQ links, a link to The Doctor (Doctor Who) is found in Villain. — Jeff Q (talk) 13:43, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirecting from "The Doctor (Doctor Who)" seems redundant to me. Sams 20:44, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Ahh, probably better to redirect then, according to what Aphaia said. Sams 20:15, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Redirect It could be created again (from WP supposedly) --Aphaia 18:41, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Merge/redirect. I've done the merge by copying the descriptive text from this quoteless article as a terse introduction to Doctor Who. (That article still needs an overall intro, and I edited the copied text in anticipation of that intro.) I've also fixed the Villain links to point to appropriate WP articles as well as WQ's Doctor Who. Finally, I added WQ box-link to the WP article, making a redirect in this article to Doctor Who useful and preventing any future redundant articles. It's now safe to turn this article into a redirect or delete it, as voted. — Jeff Q (talk) 15:26, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Teresa Simões-Ferreira Heinz

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The result was: redirect. — Kalki

Teresa Simões-Ferreira Heinz
Teresa Simões-Ferreira Heinz is the same person as Teresa Heinz Kerry, and she now goes by the latter name. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.180.24.204 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 4 August 2004 (UTC)

Redirect in place as of a minute ago...

 * Redirect is sufficient here. ~ Kalki

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/T-34 tank

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The result was: UNIDENTIFIED. NO SIGNATURE

T-34 tank
Too stubby (and I can't imagine how it will be expanded or developped). Perhaps better to merge into Technology or another article. --Aphaia 4 July 2005 03:49 (UTC)

 * Vote closed: Result: merge with Tiger I to form Tanks, under War (two supporters, no dissent)
 * Comment: Perhaps we can merge this with Tiger I? ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 4 July 2005 05:33 (UTC)
 * Merge this and any other stray tank articles with Tiger I, move the latter to Tanks, and change the category to War rather than the overused Themes. — Jeff Q (talk) 4 July 2005 06:08 (UTC)
 * Merge (I completely agree with above comment) ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 4 July 2005 06:13 (UTC)
 * Comment: Other candidates for "War" subcategory: Terrorism, War (of course), Peace (perhaps?). Any others? ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 4 July 2005 06:17 (UTC)
 * Comment: Since then, I've created Category:War for other reasons. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 05:42, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Stanley Kubrick

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The result was: keep. ~ Kalki 14:24, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Stanley Kubrick
Contains no quote. --Aphaia 22:59, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * A quote and information has been added here by someone, and I expect more shall eventually be. ~ Kalki 14:24, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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Wikiquote:Votes for deletion archive/Speeches

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The result was: move to Wikisource. —Kalki 18:07, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Speeches
Ich Bin ein Berliner should be named Ich bin ein Berliner maybe someone can rename it instead of deleting it, so that the content don't have to be pasted 80.143.249.15 16:38, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I was about to do a page creation and redirect, but I propose instead that all the speeches be moved to Wikisource, which seems more appropriate a place for entire speeches. I will post this proposal there as well. If no one objects to this, I might move them all sometime next week, or soon after. —Kalki 17:20, 5 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * It would be better to rename the page before moving it to wikisource, so that you don't forget to replace "Bin" with "bin" in the heat of the moment. It isn't much effort is it? And if you rename it you should also delete Yes! My name is Pierre Elliot Trudeau which is a blanked vandalism site 80.143.246.58 15:15, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * I intend to create pages at WIkisource that are arranged to fit in with the structures that are evolving there, with links to them within the Wikiquote pages of the authors of the speeches. —Kalki 18:07, 6 Feb 2004 (UTC)

 * MOST of the speeches have now been transferred to Wikisource, but there are still a few loose ends and bit of tidying up of links to do. — Kalki 20:16, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * I do not intend to delete the pages that contained speeches, and have posted transfer notices with links on most of them. I do intend to eventually delete List of speeches by monarchs as it only had 2 items anyways, and perhaps a few other obsolete listings associated with the speeches page. — Kalki 20:39, 22 Feb 2004 (UTC)
 * I like that. On a very rare visit here I was just looking to upgrade a couple of the links to revised titles at Wikisource.  The system does not want to accept the apostrophe in the title "Franklin Roosevelt's first inaugural address".  Please address any response to my Wikisource user talk page, since I so seldom come here. Thanks Eclecticology 21:14, 25 May 2004 (UTC)

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