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Ray Charles

Ray Charles Robinson (September 23 1930 – June 10 2004) was an American Soul musician, singer, songwriter, and composer.

Quotes

 * You gotta know how to get to people's heart
 * Pop Chronicles: Show 15 - The Soul Reformation I: A symposium on soul, interview recorded 1.2.1968.

 * I got a woman way over town, That's good to me, Oh yeah!
 * "I Got a Woman", written with Renald Richard (1954)

 * Hey mama, don't you treat me wrong, Come and love your daddy all night long. All right now, hey hey, all right. See the girl with the diamond ring; She knows how to shake that thing. All right now now now, hey hey, hey hey. Tell your mama, tell your pa, I'm gonna send you back to Arkansas. Oh yes, ma'm, you don't do right, don't do right.
 * "What'd I Say", from the album What'd I Say (1957)

Well, tell me what'd I say, yeah Tell me what'd I say right now Tell me what'd I say
 * Yeah yeah, what'd I say, all right
 * "What'd I Say", from the album What'd I Say (1957)

 * Soul is when you take a song and make it a part of you — a part that's so true, so real, people think it must have happened to you. … It's like electricity — we don't really know what it is, do we? But it's a force that can light a room. Soul is like electricity, like a spirit, a drive, a power.
 * As quoted in LIFE magazine (July 1966), also in Ray Charles : Man and Music (1998) by Michael Lydon, p. 264
 * Variant: What is soul? It's like electricity — we don't really know what it is, but it's a force that can light a room.
 * As quoted in Pearls of Wisdom (1987) by Jerome Agel and Walter D. Glanze, p. 47

 * But now if I can wrap myself up in that song, and when that song gets to be a part of me, and affects me emotionally, then the emotions that I go through, chances are I’ll be able to communicate to you. Make the people out there become a part of the life of this song that you’re singing about. That’s soul when you can do that.
 * "A symposium on soul", Pop Chronicles, Show 15: The Soul Reformation, interview recorded 3.8.1968.

 * Rhythm and blues used to be called race music. … This music was going on for years, but nobody paid any attention to it.
 * Pop Chronicles: Show 55 - Crammer: A lively cram course on the history of rock and some other things, interview recorded 3.8.1968.

 * Music has been around a long time, and there's going to be music long after Ray Charles is dead. I just want to make my mark, leave something musically good behind. If it's a big record, that's the frosting on the cake, but music's the main meal.
 * As quoted "Words of the Week" in Jet magazine, Vol. 64, No. 6 (25 April 1983), p. 40

 * The fact of the matter is, you don't give up what's natural. Anything I've fantasized about, I've done.
 * Los Angeles Times (1989)

 * I started to sing like myself — as opposed to imitating Nat Cole, which I had done for a while — when I started singing like Ray Charles, it had this spiritual and churchy, this religious or gospel sound. It had this holiness and preachy tone to it. It was very controversial. I got a lot of criticism for it.
 * San Jose Mercury News (1994)

 * Do it right or don't do it at all. That comes from my mom. If there's something I want to do, I'm one of those people that won't be satisfied until I get it done. If I'm trying to sing something and I can't get it, I'm going to keep at it until I get where I want it.
 * Fort Lauderdale Sun-Sentinel (1998)

 * You better live every day like your last because one day you're going to be right.
 * As quoted in Wisdom for the Soul of Black Folk (2007) by Larry Chang and Roderick Terry, p. 365

 * Every music has its own soul, Quincy
 * Said to Quincy Jones as quoted in The Arranger, an article in Smithsonian Magazine. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/the-arranger-20940901/

Brother Ray : Ray Charles' Own Story (1978)

 * Brother Ray : Ray Charles' Own Story (1978) by Ray Charles and David Ritz, (2003 edition)

 * Before I begin, let me say right here and now that I'm a country boy. And, man, I mean the real backwoods! That's at the start of the start of the thing, and that's at the heart of the thing.
 * Home, p. 1

 * I was born with music inside me. That's the only explanation I know of, since none of my relatives could sing or play an instrument. Music was one of my parts. Like my ribs, my kidneys, my liver, my heart. Like my blood. It was a force already within me when I arrived on the scene. It was a necessity for me — like food or water.
 * Home, p. 8

 * I know that men ain't supposed to cry, but I think that's wrong. Crying's always been a way for me to get things out which are buried deep, deep down. When I sing, I often cry. Crying is feeling, and feeling is being human.
 * First years at School, p. 25

 * When I was going blind, I didn't turn to God. It didn't seem to me then — and it doesn't seem to me now — that those items were His concern. Early on, I figured I better begin to learn how to count on myself, instead of counting on supernatural forces.
 * First years at School, p. 25

 * Then there were motorcycles. I learned to ride one in Tallahassee when I was about 14 or 15. … I got to know the town pretty well, and soon I felt confident about riding round. Tallahassee was full of hills, and I loved racing up and down 'em, sometimes trailing my friend or riding next to him, so I could hear the sound of the exhaust and make sure to follow closely and yet not too closely. I know it sounds strange — a blind teenager buzzin' round on a motorcycle — but I liked that; that was me. I had always been nervy, and I always had a lot of faith in my ability not to break my neck.
 * Summers in Tallahassee, p. 48

 * Affluence separates people. Poverty knits 'em together. You got some sugar and I don't; I borrow some of yours. Next month you might not have any flour; well, I'll give you some of mine. That's how my band made it. We swam through a lot of shit together, we swallowed a lot of pride, but we managed to do what we needed to do.
 * Roughing It, p. 155

 * My music had roots which I'd dug up from my own childhood, musical roots buried in the darkest soil.
 * Fooling, Drowning, Hallelujahing, p. 174

 * Women anchor me. They're there when I need them. They're sensitive to me, and I'm sensitive to them. I'm not saying I've loved that many women. Love is a special word, and I use it only when I mean it. You say the word too much and it becomes cheap. But sex is something else. I'm not sure that there can ever be too much sex. To me, it's another one of our daily requirements — like eating. If I go twenty-four hours without it, I get hungry. Sex needs to be open and fun, free and happy. It's whatever you make it, and I try my hardest to create situations where me and my woman can enjoy ourselves — all of ourselves — without our inhibitions getting in the way. You got to set your mind right and the rest will come to you naturally. No restrictions, no hang-ups, no stupid rules, no formalities, no forbidden fruit — just everyone getting and giving as much as he and she can.
 * For the Love of Women, p. 239

 * Music is nothing separate from me. It is me. I can't retire from music any more than I can retire from my liver. You'd have to remove the music from me surgically — like you were taking out my appendix.
 * Little Bit of Soul p. 307

Misattributed

 * Other arms reach out to me Other eyes smile tenderly Still in peaceful dreams I see The road leads back to you. Georgia, oh Georgia, no peace I find... Just an old sweet song Keeps Georgia on my mind.
 * Though renditions by Ray Charles are among the most popular and famous, the lyrics of "Georgia On My Mind" (1930) were written by Stuart Gorrell and the music by Hoagy Carmichael.

Quotes about Charles

 * There are certain artists who belong to all the people, everywhere, all the time. The list of singers, musicians, and poets must include David the harpist from the Old Testament, Aesop the Storyteller, Omar Khayyam the Tent Maker, Shakespeare the Bard of Avon, Louis Armstrong the genius of New Orleans, Om Kalsoum the soul of Egypt, Frank Sinatra, Mahalia Jackson, Dizzy Gillespie, Ray Charles....Celia Cruz...All great artists draw from the same resource: the human heart, which tells us all that we are more alike than we are unalike.
 * Maya Angelou Letter to My Daughter (2009)

 * A lot of Negro style-the style of a man like Miles Davis or Ray Charles or the style of a man like myself is based on a knowledge of what people are really saying and on our refusal to hear it. You pick up on the beat, which is much more truthful than words.
 * 1969 interview in Conversations with James Baldwin edited by Louis H. Pratt and Fred L. Standley (1989)

 * Ray Charles is the only genius in our business.
 * Frank Sinatra, as quoted in LIFE magazine (July 1966); also in Ray Charles : Man and Music (1998) by Michael Lydon, p. 264
 * It's a little like a Ray Charles concert, isn't it? Georgia!
 * Ian Darke, as quoted in "Englishman Ian Darke is voice of the Americans at World Cup" (10 June 2014), The Miami Herald.

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Space

 is the boundless three-dimensional extent in which objects and events have relative position and direction. In classical physics, physical space is often conceived in three linear dimensions, although modern physicists usually consider it, with time, to be part of a boundless four-dimensional continuum known as spacetime. The concept of space is considered to be of fundamental importance to an understanding of the physical universe. However, disagreement continues between philosophers over whether it is itself an entity, a relationship between entities, or part of a conceptual framework.

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 * Space is big. Really big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind-bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist, but that's just peanuts to space.
 * Douglas Adams, The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

 * SWA Magazine: Talking about spacecraft, what do you think about the shuttle program?
 * Asimov: Well, I hope it does get off the ground. And I hope they expand it, because the shuttle program is the gateway to everything else. By means of the shuttle, we will be able to build space stations and power stations, laboratory facilities and habitations, and everything else in space.
 * SWA Magazine: How about orbital space colonies? Do you see these facilities being built or is the government going to cut back on projects like this?
 * Asimov: Well, now you've put your finger right on it. In order to have all of these wonderful things in space, we don't have to wait for technology - we've got the technology, and we don't have to wait for the know-how - we've got that too. All we need is the political go-ahead and the economic willingness to spend the money that is necessary. It is a little frustrating to think that if people concentrate on how much it is going to cost they will realize the great amount of profit they will get for their investment. Although they are reluctant to spend a few billions of dollars to get back an infinite quantity of money, the world doesn't mind spending $400 billion every years on arms and armaments, never getting anything back from it except a chance to commit suicide.
 * Isaac Asimov "An Interview with Isaac Asimov" Phil Konstantin, Southwest Airlines Magazine. (1979).

 * God, the supreme being, is neither circumscribed by space, nor touched by time; he cannot be found in a particular direction, and his essence cannot change. The secret conversation is thus entirely spiritual; it is a direct encounter between God and the soul, abstracted from all material constraints.
 * Avicenna, as quoted in 366 Readings From Islam (2000), ed., Robert Van der Weyer.

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 * It might be profitable to point out that the entire universe is etheric and vital in nature, and of an extension beyond the grasp of the greatest mind of the age... This extent cannot be computed, even in terms of light years; this cosmic etheric area, is the field of untold energies, and the basis of all astrological computation; it is the playground of all historical cycles - cosmic, systemic and planetary - and is related to the constellations, to the worlds of suns, to the most distant stars, and to the numerous recognised universes, as well as to our own solar system, to the many planets, and to that planet upon which and in which we move, and live, and have our being, as well as to the smallest form of life known to science, and perhaps covered by the meaningless term "an atom". All are found existing in Space - Space is etheric in nature and - so we are told in the occult science - Space is an Entity.  p 178
 * Alice Bailey Telepathy and the Etheric Vehicle. ISBN 978-0-85330-116-5.   (1950).

 * The glory of man lies in the fact that he is aware of space, and can imagine this space as the field of divine living activity, full of active intelligent forms, each placed in the etheric body of this unknown Entity, each related to each other through the potency which not only holds them in being, but which preserves their position in relation to each other; yet each of these differentiated forms possesses its own differentiated life, its own unique quality or integral colouring, and its own specific and peculiar form of consciousness. This etheric body - vast and unknown as it is, as to its extent - is nevertheless limited in nature and static (relatively speaking) in capacity; it preserves a set form, a form of which we know absolutely nothing, but which is the etheric form of the Unknown Entity. To this form the esoteric science gives the name of SPACE; it is the fixed area in which every form, from a universe to an atom, finds its location.  We speak at times of an expanding universe; what we really mean, is an expanding consciousness . . .  p 179
 * Alice Bailey Telepathy and the Etheric Vehicle. ISBN 978-0-85330-116-5.  (1950).

 * As a solitary planetary system we may be inconspicuous, but so is the individual human. He does not thereby lose his dignity.
 * N. J. Berrill, You and the Universe (1958), p. 198

 * Space is as infinite as we can imagine, and expanding this perspective is what adjusts humankind’s focus on conquering our true enemies, the formidable foes: ignorance and limitation.
 * Vanna Bonta, The Impact of Space Activities Upon Society (ESA Br) European Space Agency (2005)

 * The impact of space activities is nothing less than the galvanizing of hope and imagination for human life continuum into a future of infinite possibility.
 * Vanna Bonta, The Impact of Space Activities Upon Society (ESA Br) European Space Agency (2005)

 * Manned space flight . . . has opened for us thus far only a tiny door for viewing the awesome reaches of space. Our outlook through this peephole at the vast mysteries of the universe only confirms our belief in its creator.
 * Wernher von Braun, cited in Awake! magazine, 1999, 6/22.

 * [T]he program which Immanuel Kant proposed back in the 1760s... was this: our knowledge of the outside world depends on our modes of perception... Unfortunately, a great revolution took place in or about the year 1768, when he read a paper by Euler which intended to show that space was indeed absolute as Newton had suggested and not relative as Leibnitz suggested. (...in the eighteenth century the question of whether Newton's... or Leibnitz's view of the world was right profoundly affected all philosophy.) After reading Euler's argument... Kant... for the first time proposed that... we must be conscious of [absolute space] a priori. ...Kant died in 1804, long before new ideas about space... had been published... And since one of the things that happened in [our] lifetime has been the substitution of... a Leibnitz universe, the universe of relativity, for Newton's universe... we should think that out again.
 * Jacob Bronowski, The Origins of Knowledge and Imagination (1978) Ref: Kant, "Concerning the Ultimate Foundations of the Differentiation of Regions in Space" (1768) in Kant: Selected Precritical Writings and Correspondence with Beck Tr. and Intro., G. B. Kerford and D. E. Walford (1968)

C

 * Only a few centuries have passed since those pre-Columbian days, yet today our whole earth has become only another shore from which we look out across the dark ocean of space, uncertain what we shall find when we sail out among the stars, but like the Norsemen and the Polynesians of old, lured by the very challenge of the unknown.
 * Rachel Carson Speech at Scripps College (June 1962) In Rachel Carson: Silent Spring & Other Writings on the Environment

 * We still talk in terms of "conquest"-whether it be of the insect world or of the mysterious world of space. We still have not become mature enough to see ourselves as a very tiny part of a vast and incredible universe, a universe that is distinguished above all else by a mysterious and wonderful unity that we flout at our peril.
 * Rachel Carson Speech at Scripps College (June 1962) In Rachel Carson: Silent Spring & Other Writings on the Environment

 * Space can be mapped and crossed and occupied without definable limit; but it can never be conquered. When our race has reached its ultimate achievements, and the stars themselves are scattered no more widely than the seed of Adam, even then we shall still be like ants crawling on the face of the Earth. The ants have covered the world, but have they conquered it — for what do their countless colonies know of it, or of each other?
 * Arthur C. Clarke, We'll Never Conquer Space (1960)

 * We cannot predict the new forces, powers, and discoveries that will be disclosed to us when we reach the other planets and set up new laboratories in space. They are as much beyond our vision today as fire or electricity would be beyond the imagination of a fish.
 * Arthur C. Clarke, Space and the Spirit of Man (1965)

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 * Kant's attitude toward Newton's absolute space is somewhat confused. At times he defends the absoluteness... At other times he presents his own arguments in favor of the relativity of space and motion. ...At any rate the problem of the absoluteness of space and time in classical science refers not to the essence of space and time (a problem which would degenerate into one of metaphysics, hence would be meaningless to the scientists), but solely to a discussion of those conceptions which are demanded of the world of experience. Hence we may realise that a man ignorant of mechanics is in no position to pass an opinion one way or the other. And Kant's knowledge of Newtonian mechanics was extremely poor, to say the least.
 * A. D'Abro, The Evolution of Scientific Thought from Newton to Einstein (1927) footnote, p. 417-418

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 * We now come to our concepts and judgments of space. It is essential here also to pay strict attention to the relation of experience to our concepts. It seems to me that Poincaré clearly recognized the truth in the account he gave in his book, "La Science et l'Hypothese." Among all the changes which we can perceive in a rigid body those are marked by their simplicity which can be made reversibly by an arbitrary motion of the body; Poincaré calls these, changes in position. By means of simple changes in position we can bring two bodies into contact. The theorems of congruence, fundamental in geometry, have to do with the laws that govern such changes in position.
 * Albert Einstein, Four Lectures Delivered at Princeton University (May, 1921) as quoted in The Meaning of Relativity (1922)

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 * Geometry is grasping space. And since it is about the education of children, it is grasping that space in which the child lives, breathes and moves. The space that the child must learn to know, explore, conquer....
 * Hans Freudenthal, Mathematics as an Educational Task (1973) p. 403

 * Space. It seems to go on and on forever. Then you get to the end, and a monkey starts throwing barrels at you.
 * Phillip Fry, Futurama

H

 * Why are the heavens not filled with light? Why is the universe plunged into darkness?
 * Edward Robert Harrison, Darkness at Night: a Riddle of the Universe (1987), p. 1

 * Beyond a critical point within a finite space, freedom diminishes as numbers increase. ...The human question is not how many can possibly survive within the system, but what kind of existence is possible for those who do survive.
 * Frank Herbert, Dune (1965), Pardot Kynes in "Appendix I: The Ecology of Dune"

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2. Space is a necessary representation a priori, forming the very foundation of all external intuitions. It is impossible to imagine that there should be no space... Space is therefore regarded as a condition of the possibility of phenomena, not as a determination produced by them; it is a representation a priori which necessarily precedes all external phenomena. 3. On this necessity of an a priori representation of space rests on the apodictic certainty of all geometric principles, and the possibility of their construction a priori. For if the intuition of space were a concept gained a posteriori, borrowed from general external experience, the first principles of mathematical definition would be nothing but perceptions. They would be exposed to all the accidents of perception, and there being but one straight line between two points would not be a necessity, but only something taught in each case by experience. Whatever is derived from experience possesses a relative generality only, based on induction. We should therefore not be able to say more than that, so far as hitherto observed, no space has yet been found having more than three dimensions. 4. Space is not a discursive or so-called general concept of the relations of things, but a pure intuition. ... 5. Space is represented as an infinite quantity. ...If there were not infinity in the progression of intuition, no concept of relations of space could ever contain a concept of infinity.
 * 1. Space is not an empirical concept which has been derived from external experience. For in order that certain sensations should be referred to something outside myself... the representation of space must already be there. ...this external experience becomes possible only by means of the representation of space.
 * Immanuel Kant, Critique of Pure Reason (1781) Tr. (1922) F. Max Müller, pp. 18-19.

 * Einstein's space is no closer to reality than Van Gogh's sky. The glory of science is not in a truth more absolute than the truth of Bach or Tolstoy, but in the act of creation itself. The scientist's discoveries impose his own order on chaos, as the composer or painter imposes his; an order that always refers to limited aspects of reality, and is based on the observer's frame of reference, which differs from period to period as a Rembrandt nude differs from a nude by Manet.
 * Arthur Koestler, The Act of Creation, London, (1970) p. 253.

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 * She had a pretty face but her head was up in space, she needed to come back down to Earth!
 * Avril Lavigne, "Sk8er Boi", Let Go (2002), Arista

It is the hole in the centre that the purpose of the axle depends. We make a vessel from a lump of clay It is the empty space within the vessel that makes it useful. We make doors and windows for a room. But it is the those empty spaces that make the room habitable. Thus while the tangible has advantages It is the intangible that makes it useful.
 * Thirty spokes converge upon a single hub
 * Laozi, (ca. late 4th cent. BC) #11, as quoted by, The Idea of Building (1992)

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 * Space, like time, engenders forgetfulness; but it does so by setting us bodily free from our surroundings and giving us back our primitive, unattached state.
 * Thomas Mann, The Magic Mountain, Ch. 1 (1924)

 * No creature loves an empty space; Their bodies measure out their place.
 * Andrew Marvell, Upon Appleton House, to My Lord Fairfax

 * The vast interplanetary and interstellar regions will no longer be regarded as waste places in the universe, which the Creator has not seen fit to fill with the symbols of the manifold order of His kingdom. We shall find them to be already full of this wonderful medium; so full, that no human power can remove it from the smallest portion of Space, or produce the slightest flaw in its infinite continuity.
 * James Clerk Maxwell, "On Action at a Distance" Nature (Mar. 6, 1873) Vol VII, Issue 175, p. 343. (Also see p. 325.)

 * When we contemplate the whole globe as one great dewdrop, striped and dotted with continents and islands, flying through space with other stars all singing and shining together as one, the whole universe appears as an infinite storm of beauty.
 * John Muir, Travels in Alaska (1915)

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...II. Absolute space, in its own nature, without regard to any thing external, remains always similar and immovable. Relative space is some moveable dimension or measure of the absolute spaces; which our senses determine by its position to bodies; and which is vulgarly taken for immovable space; such is the dimension of a subterraneous, an æreal, or celestial space, determined by its position in respect of the earth. Absolute and relative space, are the same in figure and magnitude; but they do not remain always numerically the same. For if the earth, for instance, moves, a space of our air, which relatively and in respect of the earth remains always the same, will at one time be one part of the absolute space into which the air passes, at another time it will be another part of the same, and so, absolutely understood, it will be perpetually mutable. III. Place is a part of space which a body takes up, and is according to the space, either absolute or relative. I say, a part of space; not the situation, nor the external surface of the body. For the places of equal solids, are always equal; but their superficies, by reason of their dissimilar figures, are often unequal. Positions properly have no quantity, nor are they so much the places themselves, as the properties of places. The motion of the whole is the same thing with the sum of the motions of the parts; that is, the translation of the whole, out of its place, is the same thing with the sum of the translations of the parts out of their places; and therefore the place of the whole, is the same thing with the sum of the places of the parts; and for that reason, it is internal, and in the whole body.
 * Hitherto I have laid down the definitions of such words as are less known, and explained the sense in which I would have them to be understood in the following discourse. I do not define time, space, place and motion, as being well known at all. Only I must observe, that the vulgar conceive those quantities under no other notions but from the relation they bear to sensible objects. And thence arise certain prejudices, for the removing of which, it will be convenient to distinguish them into absolute and relative, true and apparent, mathematical and common.
 * Isaac Newton, Principia (1687) Andrew Motte Tr. The Mathematical Principles of Natural Philosophy (1803) Vol. 1, Book 1, Scholium.

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 * There is something missing in our understanding of space.
 * Joseph Polchinski, (quote from 14:30 of 18:51)

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 * Once the threshold is crossed when there is a self-sustaining level of life in space, then life's long-range future will be secure irrespective of any of the risks on Earth (with the single exception of the catastrophic destruction of space itself). Will this happen before our technical civilisation disintegrates, leaving this as a might-have-been? Will the self-sustaining space communities be established before a catastrophe sets back the prospect of any such enterprise, perhaps foreclosing it for ever? We live at what could be a defining moment for the cosmos, not just for our Earth.
 * Martin Rees,

 * Space, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the Starship Enterprise. Its five-year mission: to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.
 * Gene Roddenberry (:attributed to) Star Trek: The Original Series, spoken by Capt. James T. Kirk in the opening credits.

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 * Since, in the long run, every planetary society will be endangered by impacts from space, every surviving civilization is obliged to become spacefaring--not because of exploratory or romantic zeal, but for the most practical reason imaginable: staying alive.
 * Carl Sagan, Pale Blue Dot: A Vision of the Human Future in Space (1994)

 * I have sat by night beside a cold lake And touched things smoother than moonlight on still water, But the moon on this cloud sea is not human, And here is no shore, no intimacy, Only the start of space, the road to suns.
 * F. R. Scott, Trans Canada

 * Without space, there is no time.
 * Dejan Stojanovic in “A Star Deep in the Mind”

 * Entering a cell, penetrating deep as a flying saucer to find a new galaxy would be an honorable task for a new scientist interested more in the inner state of the soul than in outer space.
 * Dejan Stojanovic in “Inner Space”

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 * For instance, letting the people who came up with the foolish idea of a space elevator know the extent of their foolishness by making them go ”What the...?!” Or using my feelings toward certain things such as “What’s with the present political system and international situation?!” as motivation and launch a counterattack against them.
 * Yoshiyuki Tomino

 * Be the ever-alert guardian of your inner space. (p. 30) The eternal present is the space within which your whole life unfolds, the one factor that remains constant. p. 36
 * Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now (1997)

 * When you are full of problems, there is no room for anything new to enter, no room for a solution. So whenever you can, make some room, create some space, so that you  find the life underneath your life situation.   Use your senses fully. Be where you are. Look around. Just look, don't interpret. See  the light, shapes, colors, textures. Be aware of the silent presence of each thing. Be  aware of the space that allows everything to be. p. 44
 * Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now (1997)

 * If you create no more pain for yourself, then you create no more pain for others. You also no longer contaminate the beautiful Earth, your inner space, and the collective human psyche with the negativity of problem-making. p. 45
 * Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now (1997)
 * Are you polluting the world or cleaning up the mess? You are responsible for your inner space; nobody else is... p. 53
 * Eckhart Tolle, The Power of Now (1997)

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 * At any rate, whether we expect another invasion or not, our views of the human future must be greatly modified by these events. We have learned now that we cannot regard this planet as being fenced in and a secure abiding place for Man; we can never anticipate the unseen good or evil that may come upon us suddenly out of space. It may be that in the larger design of the universe this invasion from Mars is not without its ultimate benefit for men; it has robbed us of that serene confidence in the future which is the most fruitful source of decadence, the gifts to human science it has brought are enormous, and it has done much to promote the conception of the commonweal of mankind. It may be that across the immensity of space the Martians have watched the fate of these pioneers of theirs and learned their lesson, and that on the planet Venus they have found a securer settlement. Be that as it may, for many years yet there will certainly be no relaxation of the eager scrutiny of the Martian disk, and those fiery darts of the sky, the shooting stars, will bring with them as they fall an unavoidable apprehension to all the sons of men.
 * H.G. Wells The War of the Worlds, Book II, Ch. 10 (Ch. 27 in editions without Book divisions): The Epilogue

 * I experience the same sense of absurdity when I listen to a cosmologist like Stephen Hawking telling us that the universe began with a big bang fifteen billion years ago, and that physics will shortly create a 'theory of everything' that will answer every possible question about our universe; this entails the corollary that God is an unnecessary hypothesis. Then I think of the day when I suddenly realized that I did not know where space ended, and it becomes obvious that Hawking is also burying his head in the sand. God may be an unnecessary hypothesis for all I know, and I do not have the least objection to Hawking dispensing with him, but until we can understand why there is existence rather than nonexistence, then we simply have no right to make such statements. It is unscientific. The same applies to the biologist Richard Dawkins, with his belief that strict Darwinism can explain everything, and that life is an accidental product of matter. I feel that he is trying to answer the ultimate question by pretending it does not exist.
 * Colin Wilson in Alien Dawn, pp. 301-302

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Internet File Sharing refers to the often illegal distribution and trading of movies, music and software via the internet (or digitally).

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 * Media Piracy's core thesis is simple: people in the poor world don't pay for software, games, music and movies because these goods cost too much. Whereas a DVD here might cost you an hour's wage, the same DVD in a poor country could cost a day's work, or a week's, or even more. In poor markets where legitimate media costs the same (in relative terms) as it does in rich markets, the amount of licit purchasing is about the same. But that's not what the media companies say they believe. In their official narrative – bolstered by a long line of studies with undocumented methodologies and assumptions – is that poor countries simply lack a "culture of copyright" that can be reinforced through education and enforcement. Karganis and co have much to say on this score. They document the way that the airwaves and newspapers in poor countries are dominated by the official, Hollywood view of piracy, presented uncritically and at length. The message is even integrated into the school curriculum through official teaching units produced by American entertainment conglomerates and given to teachers to be delivered verbatim to their students. On the enforcement side, entertainment companies often secure a kind of rough, streamlined justice that allows them to race to the head of the justice line, pushing past criminal and civil cases of much larger magnitude. They get their own police forces tasked to them, and their own special high-grade punishments that treat offences against them as inherently graver than offences against local firms and people.
 * Cory Doctorow, “Why poor countries lead the world in piracy”, The Guardian, (3 May 2011).

 * I am speechless about the idea of putting music fans in jail for downloading music. It is wrong to illegally download, but the answer cannot be jail. Here in America we create new opportunities out of adversity, not punitive laws, and we should look to new technologies like Apple's new Music Store for solutions. This way, innovation continues to be the hallmark of America. It is the fans that drive the success of the music business.
 * Michael Jackson, press statement (21 July 2003), quoted in "Jackson attacks music piracy bill" in BBC News, (22 July 2003).

 * If they succeed in destroying our books or even making many of them inaccessible, there will be a chilling effect on the hundreds of other libraries that lend digitized books as we do. This could be the burning of the Library of Alexandria moment—millions of books from our community's libraries—gone.
 * Brewster Kahle according to Four publishers are trying to destroy the Internet Archive and digital lending (Today 3:54 PM)

 * Media piracy has been called "a global scourge," "an international plague," and "nirvana for criminals," but it is probably better described as a global pricing problem. High prices for media goods, low incomes, and cheap digital technologies are the main ingredients of global media piracy. If piracy is ubiquitous in most parts of the world, it is because these conditions are ubiquitous. Relative to local incomes in Brazil, Russia, or South Africa, the price of a CD, DVD, or copy of Microsoft Office is five to ten times higher than in the United States or Europe. Licit media goods are luxury items in most parts of the world, and licit media markets are correspondingly tiny. Industry estimates of high rates of piracy in emerging markets- 68% for software in Russia, 82% for music in Mexico, 90% for movies in India-reflects this disparity and may even understate the prevalence of pirated goods. Acknowledging these price effects is to view piracy from the consumption side rather than the production side of the global media economy. Piracy imposes an array of costs on producers and distributors- both domestic and international- but it also provides the main form of access in developing countries to a wide range of media goods, from recorded music, to film, to software. This last point is critical to understanding the trade offs that define piracy and enforcement in emerging markets. The enormously successful globalization of media culture has not been accompanied by a comparable democratization of media access - at least in its legal forms. The flood of legal media goods available in high-income countries over the past two decades has been a trickle in most parts of the world.
 * Joe Karaganis, "Media Piracy in Emerging Economies", (2011), p. i.

 * [D]omestic piracy may well impose losses on specific industrial sectors, but these are not losses to the larger national economy. Within a given country the piracy of domestic goods is a transfer of income, not a loss. Money saved by consumers or businesses on CDs, DVDs, or software will not disappear but rather be spent on other things-housing, food, other entertainment, other business expenses, and so on. These expenditures, in turn, will generate tax revenue, new jobs, infrastructural investments, and the range of other goods that are typically cited in the loss column of industry analyses. For our part, we take seriously the possibility that the consumer surplus from piracy might be more productive, socially valuable, and or job creating than additional investment in the software and media sectors. We think this likelihood increases in markets for entertainment goods, which contribute to growth but add little to productivity, and still further in countries that import most of their audiovisual goods and software - in short, virtually everywhere outside the United States.
 * Joe Karaganis, "Media Piracy in Emerging Economies", (2011), p. 16.

 * P2P continues to account for a high percentage of total bandwidth utilization in most poarts of the world, and infringing files represent, by most accounts, a very high percentage of P2P content (Felton 2010; IFPI 2006). ISP-traffic monitoring firm ipoque put P2P use in 2009 at roughly 70% of total bandwidth in Eastern Europe, 60% in South America, and slightly lower percentages in northern and southern Europe (Schulze and Mochalski 2009). US rates are generally estimated at 25%-30%, reflecting not so much lower utilization of P2P as higher utilization of streaming video services such as YouTube and Hulu.
 * Joe Karaganis, "Media Piracy in Emerging Economies", (2011), p. 30.

 * Recent IIPA reports cite rates of music piracy in excess of 90% in China, India, Mexico, and Brazil. Less and less of this traffic takes place on the street, as physical piracy shifts toward the narrower stock and higher margins of DVDs.
 * Joe Karaganis, "Media Piracy in Emerging Economies", (2011), p. 44.

 * Child pornography is great. Politicians do not understand file sharing, but they understand child pornography, and they want to filter that to score points with the public. Once we get them to filter child pornography, we can get them to extend the block to file sharing. We must filter the Internet to win over online file sharing. But politicians don’t understand that file sharing is bad, and this is a problem for us. Therefore, we must associate file sharing with child pornography. Because that’s something the politicians understand, and something they want to filter off the Internet.
 * Johan Schlüter, antipiracy activist, speaking about political tactics to an audience of copyright industry insiders (May 27, 2007), "The Copyright Industry Absolutely Loves Child Pornography", as reported by Rick Falkvinge, Torrent Freak, (July 9, 2011).

 * If there's anyone out there involved in illegal movie piracy ... don't do it. Take a good look at these people. These are the people you're stealing from. Look at them! Face what you've done! There are women here who can barely afford enough gown to cover their breasts.
 * Jon Stewart at the Academy Awards, March 5, 2006.

 * There is no justice in following unjust laws. It’s time to come into the light and, in the grand tradition of civil disobedience, declare our opposition to this private theft of public culture.
 * We need to take information, wherever it is stored, make our copies and share them with the world. We need to take stuff that's out of copyright and add it to the archive. We need to buy secret databases and put them on the Web. We need to download scientific journals and upload them to file sharing networks. We need to fight for Guerilla Open Access.
 * With enough of us, around the world, we’ll not just send a strong message opposing the privatization of knowledge — we’ll make it a thing of the past. Will you join us?
 * Aaron Swartz, Guerilla Open Access Manifesto (July 2008).

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Talk:Pride and Prejudice

I have intended to do more organizational work on this for some time, but had put it off — I think I might attend to this within the next couple weeks, and make note of that here to prompt myself a bit more to do further work here. I have too many other priorities today... ~ Kalki 17:44, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * This still needs some work, but I don't expect to get around to much of it any time soon. ~ ♞☮♌Kalki·†·⚓⊙☳☶⚡ 17:41, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

"In vain I have struggled... " is from Ch 34, not 11. 213.122.120.96 18:12, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Now corrected, thanks for pointing it out. ~ DanielTom (talk) 18:21, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Most of these quotes are the wrong chapters... can someone please edit them?

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Arnold J. Toynbee

Arnold Joseph Toynbee (April 14, 1889 – October 22, 1975) was a British historian and the nephew of Arnold Toynbee.

Quotes

 * Of the twenty or so civilizations known to modern Western historians, all except our own appear to be dead or moribund, and, when we diagnose each case, in extremis or post mortem, we invariably find that the cause of death has been either War or Class or some combination of the two. To date, these two plagues have been deadly enough, in partnership, to kill off nineteen out of twenty representatives of this recently evolved species of human society; but, up to now, the deadliness of these scourges has had a saving limit.
 * Civilization on Trial (1948), chapter 2, p. 23.

 * Now civilizations, I believe, come to birth and proceed to grow by successfully responding to successive challenges. They break down and go to pieces if and when a challenge confronts them which they fail to meet.
 * Civilization on Trial (1948), chapter 4, p. 56.

 * Civilization is a movement and not a condition, a voyage and not a harbor.
 * As quoted in Reader's Digest (October 1958).
 * Variation: Civilization is a movement, not a condition. It is a voyage, not a harbor.
 * As quoted in The Social Welfare Forum (1968) by the National Conference on Social Welfare.

 * The human race's prospects of survival were considerably better when we were defenceless against tigers than they are today when we have become defenceless against ourselves.
 * "Man and Hunger: The Perspectives of History" (Speech to the World Food Congress, January 9, 1963).

 * The supreme accomplishment is to blur the line between work and play.
 * Statement of 1964, as quoted in Mindfulness edited by Ellen J. Langer, p. 133; also in Social Creativity Vol. 2 (1999) edited by Alfonso Montuori and Ronald E. Purser.

 * We shall have to share out the fruits of technology among the whole of mankind. The notion that the direct and immediate producers of the fruits of technology have a proprietary right to these fruits will have to be forgotten. After all, who is the producer? Man is a social animal, and the immediate producer has been helped to produce by the whole structure of society, beginning with his own education.
 * Surviving the Future (1971), Oxford University Press, 1972, p. 95.

 * Compassion is the desire that moves the individual self to widen the scope of its self-concern to embrace the whole of the universal self.
 * The Toynbee-Ikeda Dialogue: Man Himself Must Choose (1976).

 * … the dogma that History is just "one damned thing after another...."
 * "Law and Freedom in History," A Study of History, Vol. 2 (1957). The embedded quotation is attributable to Elbert Hubbard.

 * Man’s true end is to glorify God and to enjoy Him for ever. [The source of this quotation (with "chief" in place of "true") is the Westminster Shorter Catechism, http://www.reformed.org/documents/wsc/index.html?_top=http://www.reformed.org/documents/WSC.html.]
 * As quoted in Watchtower ONLINE LIBRARY

 * Aurangzeb's purpose in building those three mosques was the same intentionally offensive political purpose that moved the Russians to build their Orthodox cathedral in the city-centre at Warsaw. Those mosques were intended to signify that an Islamic government was reigning supreme, even over Hinduism's holiest of holy places. I must say that Aurangzeb had a veritable genius for picking out provocative sites. Aurangzeb and Philip II of Spain are a pair. They are incarnations of the gloomily fanatical vein in the Christian - Muslim - Jewish family of religions. Aurangzeb - poor wretched misguided bad man - spent a lifetime of hard labour in raising massive monuments to his own discredit. Perhaps the Poles were really kinder in destroying the Russians' self-discrediting monument in Warsaw than you have been in sparing Aurangzeb's mosques.
 * Arnold J. Toynbee in 'One World and India' (New Delhi, 1960) pp. 59-60

 * Now who are the individuals who are the greatest benefactors of the living generation of mankind? I should say: Confucius and Lao-Tse; the Buddha; the Prophets of Israel and Judah; Zoroaster, Jesus, Muhammad; and Socrates.

 * Right and wrong are the same in Palestine as anywhere else. What is peculiar about the Palestine conflict is that the world has listened to the party that has committed the offence and has turned a deaf ear to the victims.
 * Forward to The Transformation of Palestine, Northwestern University Press, USA,1971.

 * India is the central link in a chain of regional civilizations that extends from Japan in the far north-east to Ireland in the far northwest. Between these two extremities the chain sags down southwards in a festoon that dips below the Equator in Indonesia.
 * A.J. Toynbee, As quoted in Bhattacharjee, 1981:199-200 Bhattacharjee, Arun. 1981. Greater India. New Delhi. Munshiram Manoharlal Publishers. and in Malhotra R. & Babaji S. D. (2020). Sanskrit non-translatables : the importance of sanskritizing english. Amaryllis.

 * At this supremely dangerous moment in human history, the only way of salvation is the ancient Hindu way. Here we have the attitude and spirit that can make it possible for the human race to grow together into a single family.
 * Arnold Joseph Toynbee. Quoted from Gewali, Salil (2013). Great Minds on India. New Delhi: Penguin Random House.

The Trend of International Affairs Since the War (1931)

 * Address to the 1931 Copenhagen conference as published in International Affairs : Journal of the Royal Institute of International Affairs (November 1931)

 * If we are frank with ourselves, we shall admit that we are engaged on a deliberate and sustained and concentrated effort to impose limitations upon the sovereignty and independence of the fifty or sixty local sovereign independent States which at present partition the habitable surface of the earth and divide the political allegiance of mankind. It is just because we are really attacking the principle of local sovereignty that we keep on protesting our loyalty to it so loudly. The harder we press our attack upon the idol, the more pains we take to keep its priests and devotees in a fool’s paradise—lapped in a false sense of security which will inhibit them from taking up arms in their idol’s defense. The local national state, invested with the attributes of sovereignty — is an abomination of desolation standing in the place where it ought not. It has stood in that place now — demanding and receiving human sacrifices from its poor deluded votaries — for four or five centuries. Our political task in our generation is to cast the abomination out, to cleanse the temple and to restore the worship of the divinity to whom the temple rightfully belongs. In plain terms, we have to re-transfer the prestige and the prerogatives of sovereignty from the fifty or sixty fragments of contemporary society to the whole of contemporary society — from the local national states by which sovereignty has been usurped, with disastrous consequences, for half a millennium, to some institution embodying our society as a whole. In the world as it is today, this institution can hardly be a universal Church. It is more likely to be something like a League of Nations. I will not prophesy. I will merely repeat that we are at present working, discreetly but with all our might, to wrest this mysterious political force called sovereignty out of the clutches of the local national states of our world. And all the time we are denying with our lips what we are doing with our hands...

A Study of History (1934–1961)

 * Societies, not states, are 'the social atoms' with which students of history have to deal.

 * Compared with the life-span of a human being the time-span of a civilization is so vast that a human observer cannot hope to take the measure of its curve unless he is in a position to view it in a distant perspective; and he can only obtain this perspective vis-a-vis some society that is extinct. He can never stand back sufficiently far from the history of the society in which he himself lives and moves and has his being. In other words, to assert of any living society, at any moment in its life, that it is the consummation of human history is to hazard a guess which is intrinsically unsusceptible of immediate verification. When we find that a majority of the members of all societies at all times make this assertion about their own civilizations, it becomes evident that their guesses have really nothing to do with any objective calculation of probabilities but are pure expressions of the egocentric illusion.

 * No collection of facts is ever complete, because the universe is without bounds. And no synthesis or interpretation is ever final, because there are always fresh facts to be found after the first collection has been provisionally arranged.

 * So-called racial characteristics are not really racial at all but are due to the historical experiences of the communities in question.

 * The value of the goal lies in the goal itself; and therefore the goal cannot be attained unless it is pursued for its own sake.

 * There is no such thing as gratitude in international politics.

 * The history of almost every civilization furnishes examples of geographical expansion coinciding with deterioration in quality.

 * The Hellenization of Rome was, of course, the most important cultural conquest that the Hellenes ever achieved at any stage of their history.

 * On this showing, the nature of the breakdowns of civilizations can be summed up in three points: a failure of creative power in the minority, an answering withdrawal of mimesis on the part of the majority, and a consequent loss of social unity in the society as a whole.
 * Vol. 4 (1948), part B, p. 6.

Attributed to Toynbee

 * The coming of Buddhism to the West may well prove to be the most important event of the Twentieth Century.
 * Lama Surya Das, Awakening the Buddha Within, Broadway Books, NY, 1997.

 * Over the years, historians have tried to discern grand patterns, perhaps one grand pattern, that explain everything. For some religions, history provides evidence of the working out of a divine purpose. For the German philosopher Georg Wilhelm Friedrich Hegel, it demonstrated the manifestation of the infinite spirit (Geist) on earth. Karl Marx built on Hegel to produce his “scientific” history, which purported to show that history was moving inexorably toward its destined end of full Communism. Johann Gottfried von Herder, the influential German thinker of the late eighteenth century, history showed that an organic German nation had existed for centuries, although in political terms it had not yet reached its full potential. For imperialists like Sir Charles Dilke, the study of the past confirmed the superiority of the British race. Arnold Toynbee, whose work is largely neglected now, saw a pattern of challenge and response as civilizations grew great in overcoming obstacles and then failed as they turned soft and lazy. The Chinese, unlike most Western thinkers, did not see history as a linear process at all. Their scholars talked in terms of a dynastic cycle where dynasties came and went in an unending repetition, following the unchanging pattern of birth, maturity, and death, all under the aegis of heaven.
 * Margaret MacMillan, The Uses and Abuses of History (2008)
 * Toynbee predicted: "At the close of this century, the world would be dominated by the West, but that in the 21st century 'India will conquer her conquerors.'"
 * Swami Prabhavananda, The Spiritual Heritage of India: A Clear Summary of Indian Philosophy and Religion (1979).

 * I guess that both the West and the world are getting to turn away from man - worshipping ideologies - Communism and secular individualism alike - and become converted to an Oriental religion corning neither from Russia nor from the West. I guess that this will be the Christian religion that came to the Greeks and the Romans from Palestine, with one or two elements in traditional Christianity discarded and replaced by a new element from India, I expect and hope that this avatar of Christianity will include the vision of God as being Love. But I also expect and hope that it will discard the other traditional Christian vIsion of God as being a jealous god, and that it will reject the self-glorification of this jealous god's "chosen people" as being unique. This is where India comes in, with her belief that there may be more than one illuminating and saving approach to the mystery of the universe.
 * Radhakrishnan, S East and West; some reflectIOns. New York, Harper [1956]p.l28. As Quoted and attributed in Londhe, S. (2008). A tribute to Hinduism: Thoughts and wisdom spanning continents and time about India and her culture

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Arnold Toynbee

Arnold Toynbee (23 August 1852 – 9 March 1883) was an English economic historian noted for his social commitment and desire to improve the living conditions of the working classes; he was the uncle of Arnold J. Toynbee.

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 * It is a paradoxical but profoundly true and important principle of life that the most likely way to reach a goal is to be aiming not at that goal itself but at some more ambitious goal beyond it.
 * As cited in A Study of History (1955), by Arnold Joseph Toynbee and Edward DeLos Myers, Vol. 7, p. 388

Lectures on The Industrial Revolution in England (1884)

 * Full text online

 * Economists, firstly, regard only one part of man's nature, and treat him simply as a money-making animal; secondly, they disregard the influence of custom, and only take account of competition. Certain laws are laid down under these assumptions; as, for instance, that the rate of wages always tends to an equality, the permanent difference obtaining in various employments being only sufficient to balance the favourable or unfavourable circumstances attending each of them — a law which is only true after a certain stage of civilisation and in so far as the acquisition of wealth is the sole object of men.
 * p. 28-29

 * The right method in any particular case must be largely determined by the nature of the problem.
 * p. 29

 * The proper limits of Government interference are relative to the nature of each particular state and the stage of its civilisation. It is a matter of great importance at the present day for us to discover what these limits are in our own case, for administration bids fair to claim a large share of our attention in the future.
 * p. 31

 * It would be well if, in studying the past, we could always bear in mind the problems of the present, and go to that past to seek large views of what is of lasting importance to the human race.
 * p. 31

 * Party historians go to the past for party purposes; they seek to read into the past the controversies of the present.
 * p. 32

 * You must pursue facts for their own sake, but penetrated with a vivid sense of the problems of your own time. This is not a principle of perversion, but a principle of selection. You must have some principle of selection, and you could not have a better one than to pay special attention to the history of the social problems which are agitating the world now, for you may be sure that they are problems not of temporary but of lasting importance.
 * p. 32

 * It is a great law of social development that the movement from slavery to freedom is also a movement from security to insecurity of maintenance.
 * p. 95

 * We must expect for a long time yet to see capitalists still striving to obtain the highest possible profits. But observe, that the passion for wealth is certainly in some senses new. It grew up very rapidly at the beginning of the present century; it was not so strong in the last century, when men were much more content to lead a quiet easy life of leisure. The change has really influenced the relations between men; but in the future it is quite possible that the scramble for wealth may grow less intense, and a change in the opposite direction take place.
 * p. 134

 * The Comtists are right when they say that men's moral ideas are not fixed. The attitude of public opinion towards slavery was completely changed in twenty or thirty years. Still I am obliged to believe that such a moral revolution as the Comtists hope for is not possible within a reasonable space of time.
 * p. 150

 * There remains the ordinary Communist solution. This has taken various forms; the simplest being a voluntary association of individuals based on the principle of common property, and in which every person works for the community according to fixed rules. There are many successful instances of this, on a small scale, in the United States, but we cannot suppose such a solution to be possible for society as a whole. It has only been tried with picked materials, whereas our object is rather to improve the great mass of the population. The Communism of recent European theorists, of whom the best known is Lassalle, presents a somewhat different aspect. It aims at the appropriation of all instruments of production by the State, which is to take charge of the whole national industry and direct it. But the practical difficulty of such a scheme is obviously overwhelming. The objections to a Communistic solution do not apply to Socialism in a more modified shape. Historically speaking, Socialism has already shown itself in England in the extension of State interference. It has produced the Factory Laws, and it is now beginning to advance further and interfere directly in the division of produce between the workmen and their employers
 * p. 150

 * We must remember that the real problem is not how to produce some improvement in the condition of the working man— for that has to a certain extent been attained already— but how to secure his complete material independence.
 * p. 151

 * In the middle of the last century there was comparatively little movement of workmen from place to place; but Adam Smith's fierce attack on the law of settlement shows that migration was on the increase. The world was, in fact, on the eve of an industrial revolution; and it is interesting to remember that the two men who did most to bring it about, Adam Smith and James Watt, met, as I have mentioned, in Glasgow, when one was dreaming of the book, and the other of the invention, which were to introduce a new industrial age.
 * p. 189

 * The destruction of the old bonds between employers and workmen was not peculiar to manufactures; it came to pass in agriculture also. An agrarian as well as an industrial revolution had taken place. Scientific methods of cultivation had been substituted for unscientific; vast enclosures had been made; traces of the old three-field system of apportioning the land were fast disappearing; small farms were giving way to large. A new race of farmers, corresponding to the new race of manufacturers, had sprung into existence, who, enriched by the high prices which prevailed during the great war, changed their habits of life. The labourer ceased to be a member of the farmer's household, and, to use Cobbett's words, was thrust out of the farm-house into a hovel.
 * p. 191

 * On the eve of the industrial revolution there were on every side signs of political change. But the French Revolution frightened statesmen, and political reform in England was delayed for nearly half a century.
 * p. 195

 * The Radical creed, as I understand it, is this: We have not abandoned our old belief in liberty, justice, and Self-help, but we say that under certain conditions the people cannot help themselves, and that then they should be helped by the State representing directly the whole people. In giving this State help, we make three conditions: first, the matter must be one of primary social importance; next, it must be proved to be practicable; thirdly, the State interference must not diminish self-reliance. Even if the chance should arise of removing a great social evil, nothing must be done to weaken those habits of individual self-reliance and voluntary association which have built up the greatness of the English people. But — to take an example of the State doing for a section of the people what they could not do for themselves — I am not aware that the Merchant Shipping Act has diminished the self-reliance of the British sailor. We differ from Tory Socialism in so far as we are in favour, not of paternal, but of fraternal government, and we differ from Continental Socialism because we accept the principle of private property, and repudiate confiscation and violence. With Mazzini, we say the worst feature in Continental Socialism is its materialism. It is this indeed which utterly separates English Radical Socialists from Continental Socialists — our abhorrence and detestation of their materialistic ideal. To a reluctant admission of the necessity for State action, we join a burning belief in duty, and a deep spiritual ideal of life. And we have more than an abstract belief in duty, we do not hesitate to unite the advocacy of social reform with an appeal to the various classes who compose society to perform those duties without which all social reform must be merely delusive. To the capitalists we appeal to use their wealth, as many of their order already do, as a great national trust, and not for selfish purposes alone. We exhort them to aid in the completion of the work they have well begun, and, having admitted the workmen to political independence, not to shrink from accepting laws and carrying out plans of social reform directed to secure his material independence. To the workman we appeal by the memory and traditions of his own sufferings and wrongs to be vigilant to avoid the great guilt of inflicting upon his fellow-citizens the injustice from which he has himself escaped.
 * p. 219. "Are Radicals Socialists?"

Disputed

 * The greatest punishment for those who are not interested in politics is that they are governed by people who are.
 * Alleged source is unknown. There are very few references to this quote in the internet, but early quotes can be found on twitter Tweet from 2010. Brazilian writer Rodrigo Constantino cited it in the book "Prisioneiros da liberdade", page 157, without giving any further references. It may very well be a misquote from Plato's Republic Book 1, 347-C: "Good men are unwilling to rule, either for money's sake or for honour.... So they must be forced to consent under threat of penalty.... The heaviest penalty for declining to rule is to be ruled by someone inferior to yourself."
 * When a society moves from allocating resources by custom and tradition to allocating resources by markets, they may be said to have undergone an industrial revolution.
 * Alleged source is unknown. Referenced on Facebook and other social media but cannot be found in any of Toynbee's writings.

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Talk:List of television shows

Dialog formatting
The subpage Talk:Television shows/Dialog formatting now holds the original Dialog formatting section, as it is extremely long, making it hard to notice any other postings on this page. It is still active. People are encouraged to review proposed formats, record their preferences, and even create new ones that they feel could be useful. — Jeff Q 10:34, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Tables of contents
I really hate the automatically-generated tables of contents for long lists that stretch out many screen pages. I came up with a nice half-page custom solution for Blackadder that gets you to the right episode with one click and no scrolling. Unfortunately, it takes advantage of the Blackadder series' unique features: My two favorite quote pages, MST3K and Buffy, have 12x24 and 7x22 matrices, respectively, if completed, and have some very abbreviation-unfriendly titles. (MST3K is the worst, since its seasons vary from 7 to 24 episodes, making a very irregular matrix.) I'd appreciate any ideas on how to make a really useful but much smaller TOC for either of these. — Jeff Q 00:46, 30 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * only four "series" (seasons) of six episodes each, plus three specials, making a small matrix;
 * very abbreviation-friendly titles; and
 * easy to create a complete table of contents that never needs updating.

 * Since I wrote the above, I created a compact custom table of contents for Buffy, so now there are two variations to consider. The Buffy TOC uses some extreme title abbreviations in a rather crowded table, so it's not nearly as elegant as Blackadder, but it seems to suffice. I still have no reasonable solution for MST3K or any other such long-running show. — Jeff Q 16:29, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Article-last title format
Over at List of films, there's a proposal to rearrange titles in the list to fit standard English indexing and sorting practice. (The article titles remain the same — in whatever form they are released.) This is the system in use by List of people as well. If no one has any objections, I plan to change the nine or so affected titles to article-last form to conform to this indexing system. — Jeff Q 06:24, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * No objections from me. I do think this probably is better for those searching for links, and only a slight burden on editors. ~ Kalki 19:53, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * Done. — Jeff Q 22:24, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Adding shows without adding articles
I'd like to suggest to the enthusiastic editors who keep adding shows that they restrain their enthusiasm until they actually collect a meaningful set of quotes from each show before they add the link here. The red links seem to be growing faster than the blue links! Please consider my own strategy: This accomplishes three Good Things: Anyway, it's just a thought. Use it or ignore it. ☺ — Jeff Q 23:02, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * 1) Collect a solid set of quotes from various sources, e.g., your own notes from watching the show, IMDb, TV Tome, other sites you find through Google, printed references. (You're under no obligation to do so much research, of course. If you've got a few quotes that you just have to share, that's enough to start a page.)
 * 2) Organize and format them by whichever system you intend to present the information with. (There are many possibilities for organization and format. See Formatting Guidelines for general Wikquote policy, and Dialog formatting and the debate on film & TV show formats for TV-oriented suggestions. If all these suggestions are too much, just start with the basics: a bullet per quote. Edit any existing quote page [and Cancel when done!] to see how the Wiki formatting works.)
 * 3) Edit this Television shows article and add the show in alpha order, then click on "Show preview" (not "Save page"). The proposed article update will now show a red link to your new article.
 * 4) Bring up a new browser window with that link to create the article, then paste your organized and formatted quote collection into it. Save it.
 * 5) Only then save the Television shows article changes.
 * It reduces the time between article listing and creation to zero. (Actually negative, since you finish creating the page before you save its link on the list.)
 * It encourages you to create a robust set of quotes before you tease Wikiquote readers with the upcoming TV show article. ☺
 * It makes the Television shows list look less unfinished. (Practically speaking, it will always be unfinished, but fewer broken links looks more "professional".)

 * Okay, now it's really getting out of hand. The useful links are getting buried among all the broken ones. Anyone can add titles to this page; Wikiquote needs people to create the actual articles. It takes virtually no effort to add a title to this page once one has compiled enough quotes to create a decent article for a TV show.

 * Unless people strenuously object, I am planning to remove ALL of the titles without existing articles on Saturday (18 December). There is no advantage to having them sitting there and obscuring the useful links. — Jeff Q 06:54, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I think it's better to have lots of red links: it'll lead to many more contributions when people serendipitously notice shows they like. Wq is still young, and I think this is a good way to increase its info. If we can get the kind of momentum that wikipedia has, it could lead to wq becoming the place for (at least) tv/film quotes (instead of imdb, who sold out), which would then be easily editable and under the GFDL. I think only shows that in the opinion of editors won't have good quotes to list, like The baldy man or Mr. Bean, should be removed. — Jeandré, 2004-12-16t19:16z

 * In principle, I agree with you, which is why I haven't raised the point before. But lately a spate of anonymous users seem to be more interested in adding names to the list than attempting to provide the quotes that are what might make Wikiquote useful enough to compete with IMDb. It makes sense for IMDb, a movie database, to have movies without quotes; it makes no sense here. Yes, red links may encourage people to add pages, but the blizzard of red links runs counter to a basic expectation: it may be easy to contribute, but to be useful, it should still be easier to read.

 * I don't want to discourage contributions from anonymous users, as I've noticed that a considerable number of quote pages (many good ones, too, I think) are created and extended by them. But I want to encourage them (and named users, as well!) to actually do something useful, not just show off their knowledge of TV show titles. If people were just adding the names in preparation to add their pages, I wouldn't complain, but there are links that have been red for weeks or even months. I thought about removing only the old ones, but it's very time-consuming to determine what is old with the current History mechanism (especially when people don't note what they added or changed in the Summary). I decided to issue an ultimatum primarily to get people to wake up to the problem of lack of meaningful contributions. — Jeff Q 20:18, 16 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I agree with you (Jeff Q), this sea of red links are flooding the useful pages - while I see the valid point Jeandré is making, and it's why I propose a page called Television shows/contribute where users can browse the RED links and see a show they like and Contribute - we need more of this going on.

 * Before I get carried away, I agree with both of you that wikiquote can offer to users someting that IMDb cannot, and this we should expand on - personnaly, I see no reason why wikiquote can't be THE PLACE to find quotations (damn atleast in the top 10). I will keep in touch, because I am attempting to have wikiquote climb in the Web Rankings... PEACE ~ RoboAction 06:03, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * I'm still not convinced that we should delete or subpage the red links, but since I haven't been able to convince Q and R — how about a compromise: moving all the red links below the blue links in their own alpha list? It still means regular maintenance, but seems to me more inviting than a subpage.

 * Yes, no, none of the above? — Jeandré, 2004-12-18t16:10z

 * I personally do favor the creation of secondary pages of lists, that include active links and suggested pages, but without active links being made until pages are about to be created, or already have been. As I have mentioned recently in a couple of other places, I am at work on such a page for people, and if others think this is a good idea, such pages for films and shows would also provide a large listing of suggestions, and yet not a place where people would be inclined to casually create pages of trivial worth, or mere vandalizations, because of the seas of red links. ~ Kalki 19:30, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC) P.S. Such potentially large pages, should of course be divided into convenient sections, for easier editing, as most of the larger list pages are, and I think this should be done even if the initial pages are rather small. ~ Kalki 19:36, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

 * RoboAction has implemented the subpage strategy for List of films, and is finding, I suspect, the need to frequently shift titles between the pages (in both directions) somewhat of a nuisance. Unless folks object, I'll implement, in the next day or two, Jeandré's suggestion of splitting the Television shows page into sections of existing titles and to-be-created titles. I'll also add a preface like the one in "List of films" which will (hopefully) make it clearly to inexperienced Wikiquotians how to contribute, reducing the need for maintenance oversight. With both versions implemented, we can better compare the pros and cons of each. — Jeff Q 08:13, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

 * I just made the change. I know I didn't wait very long for comments, but I'll be happy to revert this (and re-add any titles added in the interim) if people are unhappy with this change. Give it a spin for a while. — Jeff Q 02:30, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Creating new pages -- discussion and vote notice
Many people are having problems creating a new page. There has been some progress in this area (some FAQs posted with various tricks, help page failure allows starting a page with one click, etc.), but virtually no documentation regarding it. Input box is a new mediawiki feature intended to make article creation more streamlined, as well as helping create correctly boiler-plated articles. I have started a discussion, and a vote, at Help talk:Starting a new page, and I urge everyone interested to join it. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 19:47, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

G4
Dear Fellow Editors, Wikiquote is in need of a new category and a variety of TV shows on the G4 network. TV shows like "Cheat!" and "Attack of the Show". PLEASE help me and other people make this happen.--WikiAlexC 22:38, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

I want Charlie's Angels (TV series)!!! --85.96.225.107 08:26, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Please, "Have Gun Will Travel" 161.184.42.83 22:03, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

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List of tv series
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