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Hello
Well, hello there! Are you back? ~ UDScott 01:00, 12 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I sometimes check back here. Not really working on stuff... :( ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 17:05, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello? Sorry I'm not good with wiki! How's everyone? -B

 * Nice to see you around anyway, and to know you enjoy the content. Have you heard Wikimedia would hold a conference in Haifa next year? --Aphaia 11:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

 * Well, it's not that relevant for me, seeing as I'm living in California now.. ~ MosheZadka (Talk) 17:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Inactive?
Hi, I noticed you have not edited here in quite a long time, and are listed as an inactive administrator. Do you think there is any chance you will be back? Cheers! BD2412 T 04:20, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This user does not have "email this user" enabled on Wikiquote, nor on en.wikipedia. -- Cirt (talk) 19:45, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Category:Japanese poets
Risto hot sir has requested that I ask the community about what should be done regarding the numerous articles listed under Category:Japanese poets. You will know what I mean after you read a few and start to see the trend. They are all a possible copyright violation, they are all of non-notable people who don't even have a Wikipedia article, they are all from one source and they all clog up this category. You can read more about this here, here, here, and here. Just A Regular New Yorker (talk) 22:53, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Request for comment on MonsterHunter32
I am asking the community to comment about the censorship of this user that I have already alerted about here Talk:India and at other places, but it didn't help. What should be done about the continued massive removal of sourced quotes by  when he refuses to even move the quotes to the talkpage with full reasoning for each quote as was asked by multiple users many many times? You can read more about it at the link above, and at the other discussions linked in that discussion.

What would be most helpful would be if other editors could add comments to the summary table here Talk:India.

Since you are an admin, I would also welcome your view on the following.

Other editors and me have previously told many times that the following rule based on Template:Remove should be strictly observed by him:

 * All quotes removed by User:MonsterHunter32 must always be moved by him to the article talkpage with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning (for each removed quote), as required by Template:Remove. Otherwise, the status quo (uncensored) version should be kept and/or restored.

This really is the bare minimum that must be enforced. If MonsterHunter32 as a rule continues to refuse to do this, I don't see how any meaningful discussion of the deleted quotes is possible at all.

Please note that this was asked to him dozens of times, and dozens of times he continues to ignore it.

Can you please help ensure that MonsterHunter32 observes this? He has been told this dozens of times by multiple users, but I will notify him again about this on his talkpage (my last notification was promptly deleted by him). If he starts edit warring again without observing this rule, he should be blocked, or at least the page be protected.

Please let me know if you have a different interpretation of any of the above. Thanks.

 * Observing the rule above based on Template:Remove is the bare minimum, but it will not solve the tendentious edit warring of MonsterHunter32:

 *  has done blanked and censored dozens of quotes, most of them without ANY discussion on the talkpage, without moving the censored quotes to talk, and with very poor excuses (like that he only needs to "explain" his mass-blanking of many quotes in the same edit in his edit summary)
 * He refuses to discuss to discuss his censorship on talk, and just continues edit-warring.
 *  has admitted that he is "monitoring me constantly". That is called stalking and is extremely disruptive.
 *  has done numerous personal attacks, baiting and attacking me and others for my or their alleged religious beliefs or opinions or alleged bias, using religious or political smears against me and others.

 * MonsterHunter32 as a rule refuses to make the slightest concession that the quotes might be notable for other people than him. He will never admit that he was wrong, he will never make the slightest concession to me. That is not good faith discussing. Discussion with someone who as a rule and always refuses to make the slightest concession that he might be wrong, or that others may have different opinions than him, is becoming a waste of time. Maybe even worse are the misrepresentations, dishonesty and personal attacks.

 * This is what other editors have said about :

 * "I believe MonsterHunter32 is being extremely annoying and disruptive."

 * "I was originally under the impression that to take part in this argument would require extensive research. I started by looking at Monsterhunter’s edits. It did not take long to indentify a general theme. He appears to be blanking large selections of quotes, with the poor justification that he was fixing the articles so that they would have a neutral point of view. However, that did not seem to be the case. Even if it was true, I don’t see why people that claim is important. Wikiquote serves as a site that collects quotes from reliable sources, and if the people being quoted were biased, that doesn’t mean the quote should be removed. If he feels that Jedi3 is adding too many of these quotes, than he may “combat” it by adding other quotes that he feels are appropriate. Edit-warring is not the answer."

 * " I would simply suggest that rather than trying to delete the page one should instead try to find properly sourced and relevant quotes that might represent an alternative POV. "

 * "I see no creditable reason for eliminating a page .... because the creator of the page is disliked...."

 * "Since when do users need to add an explanation for why they are adding quotes? Explanations are needed to remove quotes. If a quote is from a notable person, and has a reliable source, you can’t take I down just because you disagree with the views expressed by the quote. “Wikiquote is a free online compendium of sourced quotations from notable people and creative works...” ~Main Page~ "

 * "I’m not sure how any of this answers what I wrote." (in response to MonsterHunter32)

 * "No more of this time-wasting dispute here. I don't want my talk page to be used to call people vandals, liars, etc..... "

 * "Stop with the misleading edit summaries (and now section headings too). "

 * "and IF you revert this again you WILL be BLOCKED."

 * "it certainly IS censorship to ATTEMPT to allow ONLY one side to a discussion "

 * "if you keep this up you will be blocked"

 * I have attempted to solve it with discussion with him, but by his refusal of even the most elementary things, like giving full reasoning for each deleted quote on the talkpage, he is making it extremely difficult. What really is needed, and I asked many times for this, are comments from other users on the quotes. Please see Talk:India for my latest attempt to ask others for comments.

 * Ultimately, I agree with what another editor has said on the Admin noticeboard:

 * "If MonsterHunter32 has reasonable objections to the quotes themselves, he may discuss them on the article's talk page, but not remove them unilaterally. He may proceed to remove the disputed quotes from the articles only if in those discussions he manages to get some other editor to agree with him" (that other editor should either be a Wikiquote admin or an editor with more than one year of experience at Wikiquote.)

 * Please let me know if you too agree with this.

 * Wikiquote is not prepared to handle persistent, disruptive editors like who by his own admission is "constantly monitoring" me, attacking me for alleged religious bias or my alleged religious beliefs, and reverting all my additions with poor excuses that in most cases he refuses even to discuss. It cannot be in Wikiquotes interest when such editors can by constant edit warring and refusal to discussion get away with censoring and blanking quotes. --Jedi3 (talk) 01:16, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Jedi3's disruptive edits
What does User:Jedi3 hopes to achieve by repeatedly complaining instead of any actual cooperation? When I discuss he either abruptly leaves or keeps on repeating the same things. He keeps on edit-warring over and over and even started edit-warring right after User:UDScott block on him expired.

All of the "complains" of his based on poor fact- reading and hiding the truth again. Oh he doesn't mention some of the comments made by other users about him:

 * User:Jedi3 wrongly keeps claiming Template:Remove doesn't allow for removal of quotes and mandates moving and discussion. But I found out he hasn't read it properly. Templat:Remove itself says the quotes can be removed with edit summaries. Moving and discussing is required in almost all cases. It says: Quotes should never be removed without a comment in the edit summary, and should almost always be moved to the Talk page with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning.
 * Despite moving and discussing not being mandatory in every case, I've often tried to discuss and move one article at a time but Jedi3 keep son edit-warring over one quote. SO HOW WILL I GET TIME FOR OTHER QUOTES? SO while he claims I am "not moving and discussing", he forgets that i can't do everything at once and the major cause is his disruption asides from being humanely impossible to discus everything at once. He's a vandal who's making up claims like he did abut Template:Remove who needs to be immediately blocked.

 * While Jedi3 is talking about "comments against me", jedi3 forgets User:Kalki has criticized his behavior as well.

 * What Jedi3 forgot to mention User:DanielTom said about me at AN, "Jedi3 is obviously concerned that MonsterHunter32 is actively censoring quotes critical of Islam and wikihounding him." How? The only thing most of the articles relate to Islam is that the Muslim rulers were Muslims or some of their actions may be because of Islamic fundamentalism. Most quotes I removed are not about Islam except maybe a few non-notable ones added by Jedi3 which he added into articles of Muslim rulers or a particular religious conflict/riot like Noakhali riots.
 * He claims it despite me adding quotes about negative acts done by Muslims. At Aurangzeb I myself added a quote talking about temple destruction by Aurangzeb. Even at Noakhali riots I added a quote holding a Muslim responsible. I added them only because they were notable. Also I made few changes to ancient India as well. I however only remove content that is clearly not notable or memorable. The user has similarly made quotes against Christian colonial rulers in India only to further his agenda. Even if his quotes are not memorable he has added them.

 * While User:Jedi3 talks about "Bare-minimum", he doesn't stop to the do the most disruptive thing: Edit-warring. What's more he resumed edit-warring right after UDSCOTT warned him, he edit-warred at, , , ,  and.

 * He has also made some utterly false claims of "blanking", even though my removal of his quotes didn't involve more than 1 or 2 quotes and removed only a small part of the article. Some of his utterly false claims of "blanking" are here, here and here.

 * As earlier mentioned after UDScott blocked him for a week, 'he resumed edit-warring right after the block expired. See here, a sly attempt to befool others in edit summary at Aurangzeb of "article under construction", at Malabar rebellion.

 * There is nothing wrong in checking another editor when they are being disruptive like User:Jedi3. And what I actually said was me categorically proving I never censored him. I was checking whether his edits are non-notable and non-memorable. "While Jedi3 keeps claiming censorship, he knows I've checked many of his recent edits on other articles where we don't have any issues. I've mostly removed quotes from his older articles. But even there I've let some of his quotes remain there. That's because on any article whenever I've found his quotes are really memorable and notable, I have not removed them."

 * He claims I "refused to discuss". This despite me discussing at Talk:Somnath temple, Talk:Aurangzeb and Talk:India. At all of those talk pages my comment is the latest. You can check them.

 * I already suggested at talk:India, let's discuss all quotes one by one at the relevant article talk pages. He refuses to do so.

 * Jedi3 keeps on smearing and making false allegations of "censorship" just because I disagree with many of his quotes being relevant. That too me telling it plainly I have only removed non-memorable/non-notable quotes: "While Jedi3 keeps claiming censorship, he knows I've checked many of his recent edits on other articles where we don't have any issues. I've mostly removed quotes from his older articles. But even there I've let some of his quotes remain there. That's because on any article whenever I've found his quotes are really memorable and notable, I have not removed them."

 * He says I'm done numerous "personal attacks" against User:DanielTom and User:Kalki. I never committed any personal attacks like Jedi3 who started calling me a vandal and claimed I was censoring baselessly. And Jedi3 doesn't reveal DanieTom needlessly kept on edit-warring with me at Everybody Draw Mohammed Day despite me already inviting him to talk and offering him a compromise. What's more he revealed his reason to be a baseless belief of me attempting to censor even though I already offered to talk right after his first revert.

 * After Daniel Tom reverted me at Talk:India for removing Jedi3's vandal comments of baseless accusations and taking the issue to an entirely unrelated article while the actual discussion should have been at Talk:Aurangzeb and other articles where I actually removed his quotes. His actions were very similar to Jedi3 by baselessly accusing me of censorship despite me discussing and compromising despite the quote being not notable, I asked him not to take sides with jedi3 over any ideolgical affinity. I told DanielTom about this and also tried to prevent another edit-war at Talk:India like it happened on Everybody Draw Mohammed Day. I also told him the same at his own talk page.

 * After Kalki reverted me twice at talk:India and warned me, that was my last revert. I didn't start edit-warring and reverting like Jedi3. At User talk:Kalki I asked him to effectively moderate and enforce the rules by blocking Jedi3 for his consistent disruptive editing. He kept saying he didn't have time but I pointed out I already made Jedi3's disruptive edits clear and if he moderated then this place would have been a much better place as i believe Jedi3 is not fit for here. I asked him to act against Jedi3 as the latter kept edit-warring right after after being warned and blocked by UDScott.

 * Jedi3 has no problem in making false claims about quotes. Sikandar Butshikan, indirectly admitting to verbatim to verbatrim copying from Wikipedia before checking the source, even though it isn't about Martand temple.  He also added a quote at Muhammad bin Qasim that isn't about the topic. He made up a false reason to remove a quote at Muslim conquest of the Indian subcontinent. Or he keeps making up his quotes eloquent, poignant, witty etc despite the "quotes" not even falling at all within the definition. He does this just to have his edits there at all costs. I've told him several times about this including here.

 * He has no problem in his reverts removing my quotes and later not adding them in "some cases" as he claims, but he only has a problem when I reverted his edits to stop his attempt at edit-warring at Aurangzeb.

 * Jedi3 tried to justify his edit-warring claiming he had no choice as "I wasn't discussing". This despite me telling him that I already tried to discuss. I never said there will be no discussion ever. All i said was I couldn't discuss all of them at once. I have already asked him to discuss the quotes one a time.

 * He keeps on telling me to follow Template:Remove. But when I asked him to follow WQ:WQ, he indicated he won't and said it wasn't a policy or guideline. template:Remove doesn't claim to be a policy or guideline either. Regardless I've posted several quotes and tried to discuss with him, But Jedi3 keeps making false claims and abruptly stops discussion.

 * DanielTom called me "annoying" which is an extremely negative connotation and a real personal attack. I told him about this. Then Jedi3 claims it is not a personal attack and calls my comments annoying. So I told him that annoying means irritating and harassing or making angry. i asked him tocontrol himself if he felt so.

 * Just a Regular New Yorker laimed in his comment that quotes canot be removed if they are sourced. He doesn't seem to have read tyhe policies.
 * Except Wikiquote, WQ:Q and Template:Fame saying this is for notable quotes. And the Template:Remove Jedi3 keeps talking about itself says the quotes can be removed with edit summaries. Moving and discussing is required in almost all cases. "Quotes should never be removed without a comment in the edit summary, and should almost always be moved to the Talk page with a note that they were removed from the article, giving full reasoning." I've often tried to discuss and move one article at a time but Jedi3 keep son edit-warring over one quote. SO HOW WILL I GET TIME FOR OTHER QUOTES?

 * Jedi3 points to the comment "I see no creditable reason for eliminating a page .... because the creator of the page is disliked...." Except I never said such a thing. But I do dislike is Jedi3's disruptive edits and him not giving two hoots about notability.

 * "*"Stop with the misleading edit summaries (and now section headings too). " Jedi3 doesn't explain where it is from. I never made any misleading edit summaries unlike DanielTom's claims. i had plainly explained it was "vandalism" by Jedi3 at Talk:India. I [explained clearly Jedi3's issues were not related to [[Talk:India]] and he was not discussing where the quotes were removed from.

 * "it certainly IS censorship to ATTEMPT to allow ONLY one side to a discussion " Will Jedi3 say it is Kalki claiming so about me removing his unrelated vandal comments at Talk:India which had nothing to do with India. I had even explained this to him in my only revert of his unlike jedi3 who still edit-wars after being warned or blocked. And I have repatedly said I don't remove any quote I found notable: "While Jedi3 keeps claiming censorship, he knows I've checked many of his recent edits on other articles where we don't have any issues. I've mostly removed quotes from his older articles. But even there I've let some of his quotes remain there. That's because on any article whenever I've found his quotes are really memorable and notable, I have not removed them."

 * Also after he failed to prove his quotes as notable, he keeps on falsely calling them eloquent, poignant, witty, pithy etc despite me already explaining to him at Talk:Somnath temple as well as talk:Aurangzeb that his quotes aren't even near to what he claims. This is aside from the fact that especially a user merely calling something as notable or poignant or witty doesn't make it notable. But then again he doesn't even care about the dictionary meaning of the words he's talking about. From Oxford dictionary Poignant - "evoking a keen sense of sadness or regret". Witty - "showing or characterized by quick and inventive verbal humor." Anyone who reads a dictionary can understand he's making it up about any of his edits being eloquent, poignant or witty etc. yet he makes the same claim at Talk:India yet again despite already being made aware his quotes are not near what he's falsely claiming them to be.

 * All policies say this website is about notable quotes. Wikiquote - "Wikiquote is an accurate and comprehensive collection of notable quotations." Note it doesn't say simply sourced. WQ:Q - "Notability of the author is not required for a quote to be included in a page on a theme. It is the quote itself that must be notable." Template:Fame - "Thank you for your effort to contribute to our project, but Wikiquote exists for the collecting of notable quotations of famous people and famous works, not for the posting of quotations of people not yet famous in some field." Yet he keeps on using the notability of author to say it should be included, despite WQ:Q saying "With regards to quotes about people, notability of a person as the subject of quote can be even more difficult to quantify, but it is clear that a person may be notable as a subject, even if that person has said nothing quotable." Not to mention the quote itself being notable criteria mentioned by it as well.

Jedi3 needs to be blocked for his constant disruption, caring for nothing except POV-pushing at all costs even if becomes disruptive, bad faith edits and accusations as well as false claims. MonsterHunter32 (talk) 06:43, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

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title: User talk:MosheZadka


text:
User:MosheZadka

"At the dances I was one of the most untiring and gayest. One evening a cousin of Sasha, a young boy, took me aside. With a grave face, as if he were about to announce the death of a dear comrade, he whispered to me that it did not behoove an agitator to dance. Certainly not with such reckless abandon, anyway. It was undignified for one who was on the way to become a force in the anarchist movement. My frivolity would only hurt the Cause. I grew furious at the impudent interference of the boy. I told him to mind his own business. I was tired of having the Cause constantly thrown into my face. I did not believe that a Cause which stood for a beautiful ideal, for anarchism, for release and freedom from convention and prejudice, should demand the denial of life and joy. I insisted that our Cause could not expect me to become a nun and that the movement would not be turned into a cloister. If it meant that, I did not want it. 'I want freedom, the right to self-expression, everybody's right to beautiful, radiant things.' Anarchism meant that to me, and I would live it in spite of the whole world— prisons, persecution, everything. Yes, even in spite of the condemnation of my own closest comrades I would live my beautiful ideal." ~ ~ Emma Goldman, writing what would later be summarised as "If I can't dance, I don't want to be a part of your revolution!"

This quotation summarises everything I like about Wikiquote: 1. It is accurate, 2. It has wonderful quotations. In a sense, this is why I'm here...

About me
Most of my contact details can be found in my lj.

Addressing me
I respond to "Moshe", "moshe", "moshez", "MosheZ", "MosheZadka","Moshe Zadka" or "MZ". Just don't call me "Moshez". Yes, I am sensitive -- case sensitive.

Interests
Interests: I originally came to WQ for the TV shows, and they still occupy a considerable amount of my time. Though no series approaches Buffy, it has a big fandom so I don't spend much time there, ironically. I tried to rescue the Veronica Mars page from deletion (and it seems like I succeeded). Now I try to keep its style consistent and nice.

Pages

 * TV stubs: 7th Heaven Are You Being Served? Dark Angel Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman The Golden Girls Happy Days The Jetsons Johnny Bravo Knight Rider The Powerpuff Girls Saved by the Bell Voltron: Defender of the Universe Queer Eye for the Straight Guy QI Dexter's Laboratory The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air Full House Sliders Everybody Loves Raymond Family Ties The Flintstones Home Improvement Six Feet Under Muppet Babies Married... with Children Whose Line Is It Anyway? The Cosby Show I Love Lucy Hangin' with Mr. Cooper Gilligan's Island Fullmetal Alchemist Quantum Leap The Wonder Years Roswell The Brady Bunch Courage the Cowardly Dog Space Ghost Coast to Coast Tru Calling Point Pleasant
 * Buffy related
 * Stubs
 * Alyson Hannigan
 * Emma Caulfield
 * Charisma Carpenter
 * Nicholas Brendon
 * Non-stubs
 * James Marsters
 * Eliza Dushku
 * Amber Benson
 * David Boreanaz
 * Anthony Stewart Head
 * Michelle Trachtenberg
 * Jane Espenson
 * Comics
 * Dinosaur Comics by Ryan North
 * Marvel
 * Runaways by Brian K. Vaughan
 * Spider-Girl
 * Astonishing X-Men
 * Avengers Forever
 * Ultimate Daredevil & Elektra
 * The Amazing Spider-Man
 * Rogue (stub)
 * Ultimate X-Men (unstubbed by others)
 * Uncanny X-Men
 * X-Men (comics) (started by someone else, cleaned up and enhanced)
 * Ultimate Spider-Man (started by someone else, I unstubbed)
 * DC
 * Superman: The Man of Steel (stub)
 * Michael Chabon
 * The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier & Clay (stub)
 * Ayelet Waldman
 * Roger Zelazny (stub, started by someone else as a one quote page, written page around the quote)
 * Lord of Light
 * The Chronicles of Amber (including redirect pages for the ten books).
 * Roald Dahl (stub)
 * General pages started by others that I unstubbed
 * James Boswell
 * Francis Quarles
 * Pope Paul VI
 * Andrew S. Tanenbaum
 * Ringo Starr
 * Emma Lazarus
 * Ray Nagin
 * Isaac D'Israeli
 * Indigo Girls
 * Sluggy Freelance
 * Nachman of Breslav
 * Lyrics
 * Susan B. Anthony
 * Dutch Schultz
 * Theodore Kaczynski
 * Paradise Regained
 * The Oz books
 * Oliver Twist
 * Pierre-Joseph Proudhon
 * Garry Kasparov
 * H. Rider Haggard
 * John Godfrey Saxe
 * Anne Bradstreet
 * Letitia Elizabeth Landon
 * Charles Reade
 * Pope Leo X
 * Henry Van Dyke
 * Bret Harte
 * Henry Fielding
 * Ben Jonson
 * George A. Moore
 * Jan Struther
 * George Gissing
 * Walter Bagehot
 * Augustine Birrell
 * Upton Sinclair
 * Joe Bob Briggs
 * Elizabeth Cady Stanton
 * George Herbert
 * Gerard Manley Hopkins
 * Raymond Smullyan

About Wikiquote

 * Too many people forget to sign messages on talk pages, so there's Template:Sign
 * Special:Statistics has useful stuff
 * In order to link to a category, use Category:Bar.
 * Must think how to use m:Help:Inputbox
 * My own thoughts on wikiquote

Cleanup efforts in subpages of my user page

 * User:MosheZadka/Articles - a list of articles I like (planned to become a "Good article"-like system)
 * User:MosheZadka/Deletion process - prototype for deletion process docs
 * Thoughts on User:MosheZadka/images - classifying so I'll have std. reasons for VfD
 * Thoughts about formatting
 * Comic thoughts

Currently on hold

 * List of suspiciously short articles with no stub notice (currently empty)
 * Because uncategorized pages does not refresh, I am keeping a list here (currently this is not interesting: there are three articles with no consensus)
 * toc experiments (current experimentation done)
 * Featured article prototype (this is a lot of work...should be rescued when the community grows bigger)
 * Thoughts on User:MosheZadka/WikiProject welcoming committee (this is more or less complete, but there are too many policies in discussion now -- prefer to wait before introducing one more item)
 * Some tips I'm gathering about how to make people pages
 * User:MosheZadka/Useful shortcuts - an attempt to expand Jeff's shortcuts page, slated to move into WQ namespace (already in wq)

PoV of the Day

 * If you're not using Firefox for WQ, you are considerably outgunned by those who do.

Personal TODO list

 * Finish categorizing all articles.
 * Push through featured article
 * Make sure the shortest "valid" article (not no-intro, not vfd, not disambig) is >200B (AKA Shortpage patrol).

Checklists

 * See also: User:MosheZadka/WikiProject welcoming committee

Common formatting errors to fix

 * Using quote marks in people pages
 * Not differentiating into sourced/attributed
 * Using the old Verified header.
 * Using the old == Person == format

Quotes

 * "It all follows what I think of as the wiki philosophy: ever-decreasing entropy through the patient work of multitudes." ~ Jeff Q

Mailing me
My address is moshez@divmod.com

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/

title: User:MosheZadka


text:
The Picture of Dorian Gray

The Picture of Dorian Gray is a philosophical novel by Oscar Wilde, first published complete in the July 1890 issue of Lippincott's Monthly Magazine.

Preface

 * The artist is the creator of beautiful things. To reveal art and conceal the artist is art's aim.
 * These sayings were originally published as a defense of his work in The Fortnightly Review (1 March 1891), and published as the work's Preface in subsequent editions.

 * The critic is he who can translate into another manner or a new material his impression of beautiful things. The highest, as the lowest, form of criticism is a mode of autobiography.

 * Those who find ugly meanings in beautiful things are corrupt without being charming. This is a fault. Those who find beautiful meanings in beautiful things are the cultivated. For these there is hope. They are the elect to whom beautiful things mean only Beauty.

 * There is no such thing as a moral or an immoral book. Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.

 * The nineteenth century dislike of Realism is the rage of Caliban seeing his own face in a glass. The nineteenth century dislike of Romanticism is the rage of Caliban not seeing his own face in a glass.

 * The moral life of man forms part of the subject-matter of the artist, but the morality of art consists in the perfect use of an imperfect medium.

 * No artist desires to prove anything. Even things that are true can be proved.

 * From the point of view of form, the type of all the arts is the art of the musician. From the point of view of feeling, the actor's craft is the type.

 * All art is at once surface and symbol. Those who go beneath the surface do so at their peril. Those who read the symbol do so at their peril. It is the spectator, and not life, that art really mirrors. Diversity of opinion about a work of art shows that the work is new, complex, and vital.

 * We can forgive a man for making a useful thing as long as he does not admire it. The only excuse for making a useless thing is that one admires it intensely. All art is quite useless.
 * Cf. Théophile Gautier, Preface to Mademoiselle de Mapin.

Chapter 1

 * It is silly of you, for there is only one thing in the world worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about.

 * But beauty, real beauty, ends where an intellectual expression begins. Intellect is in itself a mode of exaggeration, and destroys the harmony of any face. The moment one sits down to think, one becomes all nose, or all forehead, or something horrid. Look at the successful men in any of the learned professions. How perfectly hideous they are! Except, of course, in the Church. But then in the Church they don't think.

 * There is a fatality about all physical and intellectual distinction, the sort of fatality that seems to dog through history the faltering steps of kings. It is better not to be different from one's fellows. The ugly and the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape at the play. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat. They live as we all should live--undisturbed, indifferent, and without disquiet. They neither bring ruin upon others, nor ever receive it from alien hands. Your rank and wealth, Harry; my brains, such as they are--my art, whatever it may be worth; Dorian Gray's good looks--we shall all suffer for what the gods have given us, suffer terribly.

 * When I like people immensely, I never tell their names to any one. It is like surrendering a part of them. I have grown to love secrecy. It seems to be the one thing that can make modern life mysterious or marvelous to us. The commonest thing is delightful if one only hides it.

 * You seem to forget that I am married, and the one charm of marriage is that it makes a life of deception absolutely necessary for both parties.
 * Being natural is simply a pose, and the most irritating pose I know.

 * I quite sympathize with the rage of the English democracy against what they call the vices of the upper classes. They feel that drunkenness, stupidity, and immorality should be their own special property, and that if any one of us makes an ass of himself he is poaching on their preserves.

 * But poor Lady Brandon treats her guests exactly as an auctioneer treats his goods. She either explains them entirely away, or tells one everything about them except what one wants to know.

 * Conscience and cowardice are really the same things … Conscience is the trade-name of the firm. That is all.

 * Every portrait that is painted with feeling is a portrait of the artist, not of the sitter. The sitter is merely the accident, the occasion. It is not he who is revealed by the painter; it is rather the painter who, on the coloured canvas, reveals himself. The reason I will not exhibit this picture is that I am afraid that I have shown in it the secret of my own soul.

 * As for believing things, I can believe anything, provided that it is quite incredible.

 * Laughter is not at all a bad beginning for a friendship, and it is far the best ending for one.

 * "You don't understand what friendship is, Harry," he murmured--"or what enmity is, for that matter. You like every one; that is to say, you are indifferent to every one".

 * I make a great difference between people. I choose my friends for their good looks, my acquaintances for their good characters, and my enemies for their good intellects. A man cannot be too careful in the choice of his enemies. I have not got one who is a fool. They are all men of some intellectual power, and consequently they all appreciate me.

 * Now, the value of an idea has nothing whatsoever to do with the sincerity of the man who expresses it. Indeed, the probabilities are that the more insincere the man is, the more purely intellectual will the idea be, as in that case it will not be coloured by either his wants, his desires, or his prejudices.

 * I like persons better than principles, and I like persons with no principles better than anything else in the world.

 * Poets are not so scrupulous as you are. They know how useful passion is for publication. Nowadays a broken heart will run to many editions.

 * I think you are wrong, Basil, but I won't argue with you. It is only the intellectually lost who ever argue.

 * A portrait like this would set you far above all the young men in England, and make the old men quite jealous, if old men are ever capable of any emotion.

 * Then I feel, Harry, that I have given away my whole soul to some one who treats it as if it were a flower to put in his coat, a bit of decoration to charm his vanity, an ornament for a summer’s day.

 * It is a sad thing to think of, but there is no doubt that genius lasts longer than beauty. That accounts for the fact that we all take such pains to over-educate ourselves. In the wild struggle for existence, we want to have something that endures, and so we fill our minds with rubbish and facts, in the silly hope of keeping our place. The thoroughly well-informed man--that is the modern ideal. And the mind of the thoroughly well-informed man is a dreadful thing. It is like a bric-a-brac shop, all monsters and dust, with everything priced above its proper value.

 * Those who are faithful know only the trivial side of love; it is the faithless who know love's tragedies.

 * The worst of having a romance is that it leaves one so unromantic.

 * Women have no appreciation of good looks; at least, good women have not.

 * My dear fellow, I am not quite serious. But I can't help detesting my relations. I suppose it comes from the fact that none of us can stand other people having the same faults as ourselves.

Chapter 2

 * To influence a person is to give him one's own soul. He does not think his natural thoughts, or burn with his natural passions. His virtues are not real to him. His sins, if there are such things as sins, are borrowed. He becomes an echo of some one else's music, an actor of a part that has not been written for him. The aim of life is self-development. To realize one's nature perfectly--that is what each of us is here for. People are afraid of themselves, nowadays. They have forgotten the highest of all duties, the duty that one owes to one's self. Of course, they are charitable. They feed the hungry and clothe the beggar. But their own souls starve, and are naked. Courage has gone out of our race. Perhaps we never really had it. The terror of society, which is the basis of morals, the terror of God, which is the secret of religion--these are the two things that govern us.

 * The bravest man amongst us is afraid of himself.

 * We are punished for our refusals. Every impulse that we strive to strangle broods in the mind, and poisons us. The body sins once, and has done with its sin, for action is a mode of purification. Nothing remains then but the recollection of a pleasure, or the luxury of a regret. The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. Resist it, and your soul grows sick with longing for the things it has forbidden to itself, with desire for what its monstrous laws have made monstrous and unlawful. It has been said that the great events of the world take place in the brain. It is in the brain, and the brain only, that the great sins of the world take place also.

 * Words! Mere words! How terrible they were! How clear, and vivid, and cruel! One could not escape from them. And yet what a subtle magic there was in them! They seemed to be able to give a plastic form to formless things, and to have a music of their own as sweet as that of viol or of lute. Mere words! Was there anything so real as words?

 * Beauty is a form of genius--is higher, indeed, than genius, as it needs no explanation. It is of the great facts of the world, like sunlight, or spring-time, or the reflection in dark waters of that silver shell we call the moon. It cannot be questioned. It has its divine right of sovereignty. It makes princes of those who have it.

 * To me, beauty is the wonder of wonders. It is only shallow people who do not judge by appearances. The true mystery of the world is the visible, not the invisible.

 * Ah! realize your youth while you have it. Don't squander the gold of your days, listening to the tedious, trying to improve the hopeless failure, or giving away your life to the ignorant, the common, and the vulgar. These are the sickly aims, the false ideals, of our age. Live! Live the wonderful life that is in you! Let nothing be lost upon you. Be always searching for new sensations. Be afraid of nothing.

 * A new hedonism,—that is what our century wants. You might be its visible symbol. With your personality there is nothing you could not do. The world belongs to you for a season.

 * But we never get back our youth. The pulse of joy that beats in us at twenty becomes sluggish. Our limbs fail, our senses rot. We degenerate into hideous puppets, haunted by the memory of the passions of which we were too much afraid, and the exquisite temptations that we had not the courage to yield to. Youth! Youth! There is absolutely nothing in the world but youth!

 * Nothing can cure the soul but the senses, just as nothing can cure the senses but the soul.

 * Always! That is a dreadful word. It makes me shudder when I hear it. Women are so fond of using it. They spoil every romance by trying to make it last for ever. It is a meaningless word, too. The only difference between a caprice and a lifelong passion is that the caprice lasts a little longer.

 * How sad it is! I shall grow old, and horrible, and dreadful. But this picture will remain always young. It will never be older than this particular day of June.... If it were only the other way! If it were I who was to be always young, and the picture that was to grow old! For that – for that – I would give everything! Yes, there is nothing in the whole world I would not give! I would give my soul for that!

 * I am jealous of everything whose beauty does not die. I am jealous of the portrait you have painted of me. Why should it keep what I must lose? Every moment that passes takes something from me and gives something to it. Oh, if it were only the other way! If the picture could change, and I could be always what I am now! Why did you paint it? It will mock me some day--mock me horribly!

 * "What a fuss people make about fidelity!" exclaimed Lord Henry. "Why, even in love it is purely a question for physiology. It has nothing to do with our own will. Young men want to be faithful, and are not; old men want to be faithless, and cannot: that is all one can say".

Chapter 3

 * Examinations, sir, are pure humbug from beginning to end. If a man is a gentleman, he knows quite enough, and if he is not a gentleman, whatever he knows is bad for him.

 * I always like to know everything about my new friends, and nothing about my old ones.

 * Philanthropic people lose all sense of humanity. It is their distinguishing characteristic.

 * Behind every exquisite thing that existed, there was something tragic. Worlds had to be in travail, that the meanest flower might blow.

 * There was something terribly enthralling in the exercise of influence. No other activity was like it. To project one's soul into some gracious form, and let it tarry there for a moment; to hear one's own intellectual views echoed back to one with all the added music of passion and youth; to convey one's temperament into another as though it were a subtle fluid or a strange perfume: there was a real joy in that--perhaps the most satisfying joy left to us in an age so limited and vulgar as our own, an age grossly carnal in its pleasures, and grossly common in its aims.

 * I can stand brute force, but brute reason is quite unbearable. There is something unfair about its use. It is hitting below the intellect.

 * Well, the way of paradoxes is the way of truth. To test Reality we must see it on the tight rope. When the Verities become acrobats, we can judge them.

 * "I can sympathize with everything except suffering," said Lord Henry, shrugging his shoulders. "I cannot sympathize with that. It is too ugly, too horrible, too distressing. There is something terribly morbid in the modern sympathy with pain. One should sympathize with the colour, the beauty, the joy of life. The less said about life's sores, the better".

 * The advantage of the emotions is that they lead us astray, and the advantage of science is that it is not emotional.

 * Humanity takes itself too seriously. It is the world's original sin. If the caveman had known how to laugh, history would have been different.

 * Nowadays most people die of a sort of creeping common sense, and discover when it is too late that the only things one never regrets are one's mistakes.

Chapter 4

 * He was always late on principle, his principle being that punctuality is the thief of time.

 * I never talk during music--at least, during good music. If one hears bad music, it is one's duty to drown it in conversation.

 * Nowadays people know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

 * Men marry because they are tired; women, because they are curious: both are disappointed.

 * Women represent the triumph of matter over mind, just as men represent the triumph of mind over morals.

 * A grande passion is the privilege of people who have nothing to do.

 * My dear boy, the people who love only once in their lives are really the shallow people. What they call their loyalty, and their fidelity, I call either the lethargy of custom or their lack of imagination. Faithfulness is to the emotional life what consistency is to the life of the intellect--simply a confession of failure.

 * There are many things that we would throw away if we were not afraid that others might pick them up.

 * Ordinary women never appeal to one's imagination. They are limited to their century. No glamour ever transfigures them. One knows their minds as easily as one knows their bonnets. One can always find them. There is no mystery in any of them. They ride in the park in the morning and chatter at tea-parties in the afternoon. They have their stereotyped smile and their fashionable manner. They are quite obvious. But an actress! How different an actress is! Harry! why didn't you tell me that the only thing worth loving is an actress?

 * When one is in love, one always begins by deceiving one's self, and one always ends by deceiving others. That is what the world calls a romance.

 * Most people become bankrupt through having invested too heavily in the prose of life. To have ruined one's self over poetry is an honour.

 * I want to make Romeo jealous. I want the dead lovers of the world to hear our laughter and grow sad. I want a breath of our passion to stir the dust into consciousness, to wake their ashes into pain.

 * People are very fond of giving away what they need most themselves. It is what I call the depth of generosity.

 * The only artists I have ever known who are personally delightful are bad artists. Good artists exist simply in what they make, and consequently are perfectly uninteresting in what they are. A great poet, a really great poet, is the most unpoetical of all creatures. But inferior poets are absolutely fascinating. The worse their rhymes are, the more picturesque they look. The mere fact of having published a book of second-rate sonnets makes a man quite irresistible. He lives the poetry that he cannot write. The others write the poetry that they dare not realize.

 * Ordinary people waited till life disclosed to them its secrets, but to the few, to the elect, the mysteries of life were revealed before the veil was drawn away. Sometimes this was the effect of art, and chiefly of the art of literature, which dealt immediately with the passions and the intellect. But now and then a complex personality took the place and assumed the office of art, was indeed, in its way, a real work of art, life having its elaborate masterpieces, just as poetry has, or sculpture, or painting.

 * Experience was of no ethical value. It was merely the name men gave to their mistakes.

 * It was the passions about whose origin we deceived ourselves that tyrannized most strongly over us. Our weakest motives were those of whose nature we were conscious. It often happened that when we thought we were experimenting on others we were really experimenting on ourselves.

Chapter 5

 * Her eyes caught the melody and echoed it in radiance, then closed for a moment, as though to hide their secret. When they opened, the mist of a dream had passed across them.

 * She was free in her prison of passion.

 * Then she paused. A rose shook in her blood and shadowed her cheeks. Quick breath parted the petals of her lips. They trembled. A southern wind of passion swept over her and stirred the dainty folds of her dress. "I love him", she said simply.

 * Children begin by loving their parents; as they grow older they judge them; sometimes they forgive them.

 * To be in love is to surpass one's self.

Chapter 6

 * Dorian is far too wise not to do foolish things now and then, my dear Basil.

 * Whenever a man does a thoroughly stupid thing, it is always from the noblest motives.

 * The real drawback to marriage is that it makes one unselfish. And unselfish people are colourless. They lack individuality. Still, there are certain temperaments that marriage makes more complex. They retain their egotism, and add to it many other egos. They are forced to have more than one life. They become more highly organized, and to be highly organized is, I should fancy, the object of man's existence.

 * The reason we all like to think so well of others is that we're all afraid for ourselves. The basis of optimism is sheer terror.

 * As for a spoiled life, no life is spoiled but one whose growth is arrested. If you want to mar a nature, you have merely to reform it.

 * Pleasure is Nature's test, her sign of approval. When we are happy, we are always good, but when we are good, we are not always happy.

 * To be good is to be in harmony with oneself. Discord is to be forced to be in harmony with others.

 * Modern morality consists in accepting the standard of one's age. I consider that for any man of culture to accept the standard of his age is a form of the grossest immorality.

 * I should fancy that the real tragedy of the poor is that they can afford nothing but self-denial. Beautiful sins, like beautiful things, are the privilege of the rich.

 * But then the only things that one can use in fiction are the things that one has ceased to use in fact. Believe me, no civilized man ever regrets a pleasure, and no uncivilized man ever knows what a pleasure is.

 * Nothing is ever quite true.

 * Women ... inspire us with the desire to do masterpieces, and always prevent us from carrying them out.

 * Yes, Dorian, you will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you have never had the courage to commit.

Chapter 7

 * There are only two kinds of people who are really fascinating — people who know absolutely everything, and people who know absolutely nothing.

 * There is always something ridiculous about the emotions of people whom one has ceased to love.

Chapter 8

 * “I want to be good. I can’t bear the idea of my soul being hideous.” “A very charming artistic basis for ethics, Dorian! I congratulate you on it.”
 * Dorian and Lord Henry

 * We live in an age when unnecessary things are our only necessities.

 * There is a luxury in self-reproach. When we blame ourselves, we feel that no one else has a right to blame us. It is the confession, not the priest, that gives us absolution.

 * One can always be kind to people about whom one cares nothing.

 * Good resolutions are useless attempts to interfere with scientific laws. Their origin is pure vanity. Their result is absolutely nil. They give us, now and then, some of those luxurious sterile emotions that have a certain charm for the weak. That is all that can be said for them. They are simply cheques that men draw on a bank where they have no account.

 * It often happens that the real tragedies of life occur in such an inartistic manner that they hurt us by their crude violence, their absolute incoherence, their absurd want of meaning, their entire lack of style. They affect us just as vulgarity affects us. They give us an impression of sheer brute force, and we revolt against that. Sometimes, however, a tragedy that possesses artistic elements of beauty crosses our lives. If these elements of beauty are real, the whole thing simply appeals to our sense of dramatic effect. Suddenly we find that we are no longer the actors, but the spectators of the play. Or rather we are both. We watch ourselves, and the mere wonder of the spectacle enthralls us.

 * Besides, nothing makes one so vain as being told that one is a sinner. Conscience makes egotists of us all.

Chapter 9

 * It is only shallow people who require years to get rid of an emotion. A man who is master of himself can end a sorrow as easily as he can invent a pleasure. I don't want to be at the mercy of my emotions. I want to use them, to enjoy them, and to dominate them.

 * Art is always more abstract than we fancy. Form and colour tell us of form and colour--that is all. It often seems to me that art conceals the artist far more completely than it ever reveals him

 * I cannot repeat an emotion. No one can, except sentimentalists.
 * (Dorian).

Chapter 10

 * What the worm was to the corpse, his sins would be to the painted image on the canvas. They would mar its beauty and eat away its grace. They would defile it and make it shameful. And yet the thing would still live on. It would be always alive.

 * "I didn't say I liked it, Harry. I said it fascinated me. There is a great difference." "Ah, you have discovered that?” murmured Lord Henry.  And they passed into the dining-room.

Chapter 11

 * The worship of the senses has often, and with much justice, been decried, men feeling a natural instinct of terror about passions and sensations that seem stronger than themselves, and that they are conscious of sharing with the less highly organized forms of existence. But it appeared to Dorian Gray that the true nature of the senses had never been understood, and that they had remained savage and animal merely because the world had sought to starve them into submission or to kill them by pain, instead of aiming at making them elements of a new spirituality, of which a fine instinct for beauty was to be the dominant characteristic.

 * There are few of us who have not sometimes wakened before dawn...Nothing seems to us changed. Out of the unreal shadows of the night comes back the real life that we had known. We have to resume it where we had left off, and there steals oer us a terrible sense of the necessity for the continuance of energy in the same wearisome round of stereotyped habits, or a wild longing, it may be, that our eyelids might open somemorning upon a world that had been refashioned anew in the darkness for our pleasure, a world in which things would have fresh shapes and colours, and be changed, or have other secrets, a world in which the past would have little or no place, or survive, at any rate, in no conscious form of obligation or regret, the remembrance even of joy having its bitterness, and the memories of pleasure their pain.

 * Yet, as has been said of him before, no theory of life seemed to him to be of any importance compared with life itself. He felt keenly conscious of how barren all intellectual speculation is when separated from action and experiment. He knew that the senses, no less than the soul, have their spiritual mysteries to reveal.

 * Is insincerity such a terrible thing? I think not. It is merely a method by which we can multiply our personalities.

 * Dorian Gray had been poisoned by a book. There were moments when he looked on evil simply as a mode through which he could realize his conception of the beautiful.

Chapter 12

 * I love scandals about other people, but scandals about myself don't interest me. They have not got the charm of novelty.

 * Sin is a thing that writes itself across a man's face. It cannot be concealed. People talk sometimes of secret vices. There are no such things. If a wretched man has a vice, it shows itself in the lines of his mouth, the droop of his eyelids, the moulding of his hands even.

 * One has a right to judge of a man by the effect he has over his friends. Yours seem to lose all sense of honour, of goodness, of purity. You have filled them with a madness for pleasure. They have gone down into the depths. You led them there.

Chapter 13

 * Each of us has heaven and hell in him.

Chapter 14

 * Youth smiles without any reason. It is one of its chiefest charms.

 * There were sins whose fascination was more in the memory than in the doing of them, strange triumphs that gratified the pride more than the passions, and gave to the intellect a quickened sense of joy, greater than any joy they brought, or could ever bring, to the senses.

 * The brain had its own food on which it battened, and the imagination, made grotesque by terror, twisted and distorted as a living thing by pain, danced like some foul puppet on a stand and grinned through moving masks. Then, suddenly, time stopped for him. Yes: that blind, slow-breathing thing crawled no more, and horrible thoughts, time being dead, raced nimbly on in front, and dragged a hideous future from its grave, and showed it to him. He stared at it. Its very horror made him stone.

 * Nobody ever commits a crime without doing something stupid.

Chapter 15

 * The husbands of very beautiful women belong to the criminal classes.

 * It is perfectly monstrous the way people go about nowadays saying things against one behind one's back that are absolutely and entirely true.

 * When a woman marries again, it is because she detested her first husband. When a man marries again, it is because he adored his first wife. Women try their luck; men risk theirs.

 * Women love us for our defects. If we have enough of them, they will forgive us everything, even our intellects.

 * A man can be happy with any woman, as long as he does not love her.

 * I like men who have a future and woman who have a past.

 * Moderation is a fatal thing. Enough is as bad as a meal. More than enough is as good as a feast.

Chapter 16

 * One's days were too brief to take the burden of another's errors on one's shoulders. Each man lived his own life and paid his own price for living it. The only pity was one had to pay so often for a single fault. One had to pay over and over again, indeed. In her dealings with man, destiny never closed her accounts.

 * For all sins, as theologians weary not of reminding us, are sins of disobedience. When that high spirit, that morning-star of evil, fell from heaven, it was as a rebel that he fell.

Chapter 17

 * It is a sad truth, but we have lost the faculty of giving lovely names to things. Names are everything. I never quarrel with actions; my one quarrel is with words. That is the reason I hate vulgar realism in literature. A man who could call a spade a spade should be compelled to use one.

 * I admit that I think that it is better to be beautiful than to be good. But on the other hand, no one is more ready than I am to acknowledge that it is better to be good than to be ugly.

 * Scepticism is the beginning of faith.

 * To define is to limit.

 * Every effect that one produces gives one an enemy. To be popular one must be a mediocrity.

 * We women, as some one says, love with our ears, just as you men love with your eyes, if you ever love at all.

 * Romance lives by repetition, and repetition converts an appetite into an art. Besides, each time that one loves is the only time one has ever loved. Difference of object does not alter singleness of passion. It merely intensifies it. We can have in life but one great experience at best, and the secret of life is to reproduce that experience as often as possible.

 * I have never searched for happiness. Who wants happiness? I have searched for pleasure.

 * "Describe us as a sex," was her challenge. "Sphinxes without secrets".

Chapter 18

 * It was the imagination that set remorse to dog the feet of sin. It was the imagination that made each crime bear its misshapen brood. In the common world of fact the wicked were not punished, nor the good rewarded. Success was given to the strong, failure thrust upon the weak. That was all.

 * Shallow sorrows and shallow loves live on. The loves and sorrows that are great are destroyed by their own plenitude.

 * The only horrible thing in the world is ennui, Dorian. That is the one sin for which there is no forgiveness. But we are not likely to suffer from it, unless these fellows keep chattering about this thing at dinner. I must tell them that the subject is to be tabooed. As for omens, there is no such thing as an omen. Destiny does not send us heralds. She is too wise or too cruel for that. Besides, what on earth could happen to you, Dorian? You have everything in the world that a man can want. There is no one who would not be delighted to change places with you.

 * "How fond women are of doing dangerous things!" laughed Lord Henry. "It is one of the qualities in them that I admire most. A woman will flirt with anybody in the world as long as other people are looking on".

 * The basis of every scandal is an immoral certainty.

 * "Are you very much in love with him?" he asked. She did not answer for some time, but stood gazing at the landscape. "I wish I knew," she said at last. He shook his head. "Knowledge would be fatal. It is the uncertainty that charms one. A mist makes things wonderful".

 * "All ways end at the same point, my dear Gladys." "What is that?" "Disillusion".

Chapter 19

 * "My dear boy," said Lord Henry, smiling, "anybody can be good in the country. There are no temptations there. That is the reason why people who live out of town are so absolutely uncivilized. Civilization is not by any means an easy thing to attain to. There are only two ways by which man can reach it. One is by being cultured, the other by being corrupt. Country people have no opportunity of being either, so they stagnate".

 * Death and vulgarity are the only two facts in the nineteenth century that one cannot explain away.

 * All crime is vulgar, just as all vulgarity is crime. It is not in you, Dorian, to commit a murder. I am sorry if I hurt your vanity by saying so, but I assure you it is true. Crime belongs exclusively to the lower orders. I don't blame them in the smallest degree. I should fancy that crime was to them what art is to us, simply a method of procuring extraordinary sensations.

 * Of course, married life is merely a habit, a bad habit. But then one regrets the loss even of one's worst habits. Perhaps one regrets them the most. They are such an essential part of one's personality.

 * "Oh! anything becomes a pleasure if one does it too often," cried Lord Henry, laughing. "That is one of the most important secrets of life. I should fancy, however, that murder is always a mistake. One should never do anything that one cannot talk about after dinner.

 * "The soul is a terrible reality. It can be bought, and sold, and bartered away. It can be poisoned, or made perfect. There is a soul in each one of us. I know it." "Do you feel quite sure of that, Dorian?" "Quite sure." "Ah! then it must be an illusion. The things one feels absolutely certain about are never true. That is the fatality of faith, and the lesson of romance.

 * To get back my youth I would do anything in the world, except take exercise, get up early, or be respectable. Youth! There is nothing like it. It's absurd to talk of the ignorance of youth. The only people to whose opinions I listen now with any respect are people much younger than myself. They seem in front of me. Life has revealed to them her latest wonder.

 * The tragedy of old age is not that one is old, but that one is young.

 * Life is not governed by will or intention. Life is a question of nerves, and fibres, and slowly built-up cells in which thought hides itself and passion has its dreams. You may fancy yourself safe and think yourself strong. But a chance tone of colour in a room or a morning sky, a particular perfume that you had once loved and that brings subtle memories with it, a line from a forgotten poem that you had come across again, a cadence from a piece of music that you had ceased to play--I tell you, Dorian, that it is on things like these that our lives depend.

 * I wish I could change places with you, Dorian. The world has cried out against us both, but it has always worshipped you. It always will worship you. You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

 * Art has no influence upon action. It annihilates the desire to act. It is superbly sterile. The books that the world calls immoral are books that show the world its own shame. That is all.

Chapter 20

 * "The world is changed because you are made of ivory and gold. The curves of your lips rewrite history." The phrases came back to his memory, and he repeated them over and over to himself. Then he loathed his own beauty, and flinging the mirror on the floor, crushed it into silver splinters beneath his heel. It was his beauty that had ruined him, his beauty and the youth that he had prayed for. But for those two things, his life might have been free from stain. His beauty had been to him but a mask, his youth but a mockery. What was youth at best? A green, an unripe time, a time of shallow moods, and sickly thoughts. Why had he worn its livery? Youth had spoiled him.

 * Was he always to be burdened by his past? Was he really to confess? Never. There was only one bit of evidence left against him. The picture itself—that was evidence. He would destroy it. Why had he kept it so long? Once it had given him pleasure to watch it changing and growing old. Of late he had felt no such pleasure. It had kept him awake at night. When he had been away, he had been filled with terror lest other eyes should look upon it. It had brought melancholy across his passions. Its mere memory had marred many moments of joy. It had been like conscience to him. Yes, it had been conscience. He would destroy it.

 * When they entered, they found hanging upon the wall a splendid portrait of their master as they had last seen him, in all the wonder of his exquisite youth and beauty. Lying on the floor was a dead man, in evening dress, with a knife in his heart. He was withered, wrinkled, and loathsome of visage. It was not till they had examined the rings that they recognised who it was.

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Steve Biko

Stephen Bantu Biko (18 December 1946 – 12 September 1977) was a noted anti-apartheid activist in South Africa in the 1960s and 1970s.

Quotes

 * The basic tenet of black consciousness is that the black man must reject all value systems that seek to make him a foreigner in the country of his birth and reduce his basic human dignity.
 * Statement as witness (3 May 1976)

 * Even today, we are still accused of racism. This is a mistake. We know that all interracial groups in South Africa are relationships in which whites are superior, blacks inferior. So as a prelude whites must be made to realize that they are only human, not superior. Same with blacks. They must be made to realize that they are also human, not inferior.
 * Statement quoted in the Boston Globe (25 October 1977)

 * You are either alive and proud or you are dead, and when you are dead, you can't care anyway.
 * On Death

 * It is better to die for an idea that will live, than to live for an idea that will die.
 * As quoted in The Last Defenders of the Laager: Ian D. Smith and F.W. de Klerk (1985), by Dickson A. Mungazi, p. 204; also in "The Mind of Black Africa" (1996) by Dickson A. Mungazi, p. 159, and under "Ideas" in The Penguin Dictionary of South Africa Quotations (2012) by Jennifer Crwys-Williams

I Write What I Like (1978)

 * The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed.
 * White Racism and Black Consciousness

 * Apartheid — both petty and grand — is obviously evil. Nothing can justify the arrogant assumption that a clique of foreigners has the right to decide on the lives of a majority.
 * We Blacks

 * The logic behind white domination is to prepare the black man for the subservient role in this country. Not so long ago this used to be freely said in parliament, even about the educational system of the black people. It is still said even today, although in a much more sophisticated language. To a large extent the evil-doers have succeeded in producing at the output end of their machine a kind of black man who is man only in form. This is the extent to which the process of dehumanization has advanced.
 * We Blacks

 * The system concedes nothing without demand, for it formulates its very method of operation on the basis that the ignorant will learn to know, the child will grow into an adult and therefore demands will begin to be made. It gears itself to resist demands in whatever way it sees fit.
 * The Quest for a True Humanity

 * In time, we shall be in a position to bestow on South Africa the greatest possible gift—a more human face.
 * White Racism and Black Consciousness

 * We must realise that prophetic cry of black students: "Black man you are on your own!"
 * The Quest for a True Humanity

Quotes about Steve Biko

 * On June 16, 1976, schoolchildren in Soweto, the sprawling black township outside Johannesburg, South Africa, revolted. They pred into the streets to protest a new apartheid law requiring that they be taught in Afrikaans, "the language of the oppressor," as Archbishop Desmond Tutu once called the mother tongue of white Afrikaners. The students' act of defiance that day would change the course of their nation's history. "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed," said Steve Biko, leader of South Africa's Black Consciousness Movement and an inspiration to student activists. A cornerstone of oppression in South Africa was "Bantu education," the name given to the separate and inferior schooling that South Africa's black majority was forced to endure under the system of official discrimination known as apartheid. Biko charged that the objective of Bantu education was "to prepare the black man for the subservient role in this country.'
 * Amy Goodman Standing Up to the Madness: Ordinary Heroes in Extraordinary Times (2008)

 * Much of Biko's energy is devoted to criticizing the liberal in both the condescending white and the idiotic black forms. The black liberal is idiotic because black people lack power in a white-controlled system. The white liberal, on the other hand, operates from the vantage point of having something—perhaps a great deal—to lose in the event of progressive social change. The white liberal's offer to help has an air of condescension because it masks a profound existential investment in the continuation of the racist system. Thus, the white liberal always insists on offering the theoretical or interpretive strategies against antiblack racism, but such strategies often act to preserve the need for white liberals as the most cherished members or overseers of values in their society. In Biko's words: "I am against the superior-inferior white-black stratification that makes the white man a perpetual teacher and the black a perpetual pupil (and a poor one at that.)"
 * Lewis Gordon, Introduction to I Write What I Like, p. vii

 * Dictatorships fall not only when they have implacable opponents but also exemplary victims: Steve Biko in South Africa, Benigno Aquino in the Philippines, Jerzy Popieluszko in Poland. Through their deaths, they awakened the living to the conviction that it was the regime that should die instead.
 * Bret Stephens, "How Vladimir Putin Falls" (6 September 2019), The New York Times

 * Steve, with his brilliant mind that always saw to the heart of things, realized that until blacks asserted their humanity and their personhood, there was not the remotest chance for reconciliation in South Africa.... Steve knew and believed fervently that being pro-black was not the same thing as being anti-white. The black consciousness movement is not a "hate white movement" despite all you may have heard to the contrary. He had a far too profound respect for persons as persons to want them under ready-made, shop-soiled, second-hand categories...We weep with and pray for Ntsiki [Mrs. Biko] and all of Steve's family. We weep for ourselves. . . . Steve started something that is quite unstoppable. The powers of injustice, of oppression, of exploitation have done their worst and they have lost.... Many who support the present unjust system in this country know in their hearts that they are upholding a system that is evil and unjust and oppressive, and which is utterly abhorrent and displeasing to God. There is no doubt whatsoever that freedom is coming. Yes, it may be a costly struggle still. The darkest hour, they say, is before the dawn. We are experiencing the birth pangs of a new South Africa, a free South Africa, where all of us, black and white together will walk tall; where all of us, black and white together, will hold hands as we stride forth on the Freedom March to usher in the South Africa where people will matter because they are human beings made in the image of God. We thank and praise God for giving us such a magnificent gift in Steve Biko
 * Desmond Tutu speaking at his funeral, anthologized in Remembrances and Celebrations edited by Jill Werman Harris (2000)

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Chickenhawk (politics)

Chickenhawk (also chicken hawk and chicken-hawk) is a political epithet used in the United States as ad hominem argument to criticize somebody who strongly supports a war or other military action (i.e. a War Hawk), yet who actively avoided military service when of age.

Quotes

 * We know who the chicken hawks are. They talk tough on national defense and military issues and cast aspersions on others. When it was their turn to serve where were they? AWOL, that's where they were...the lead chickenhawk against Sen. Kerry [is] the vice president of the United States, Vice President Cheney.
 * United States Senator Frank Lautenberg, on the floor of the Senate, April 28, 2004

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User talk:Nnh

こちらでははじめまして；-)、Aphaiaです. 英語版ウィキクォートへようこそ.

役に立つリンクをご紹介します.
 * Templates - 項目のレイアウトなど
 * Community Portal: リンク集・お知らせ
 * Village pump: 他のユーザとの交流・質問、通称VP.
 * Votes for deletion: 項目についての質問､通称VfD.

執筆の際には中立的な観点および 著作権|にご留意ください. 英語版ウィキクォートではフェアユースを受け入れていますが、出典の明示されていないもの、全文引用にむしろ近いものはフェアユースとは認められません.

何か疑問点がありましたらVillage pumpのほか私の会話ページでご質問ください. 現在各種方針の大幅な書き直しをしており、明快にお返事できないこともあるかもしれませんが^^;

井戸端は他のユーザと交流したいときにも使えます. お気軽に提案をお寄せください.

Nnhさんが英語版ウィキクォートで実り多い活動をされることを楽しみにしております. --Aphaia 14:55, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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Jonathan Livingston Seagull

Jonathan Livingston Seagull (1970) is a novel by Richard Bach that is a fable in novella form about a seagull learning about life and flight, and a homily about self-perfection.

Quotes

 * For most gulls, it is not flying that matters, but eating. For this gull, though, it was not eating that mattered, but flight.

 * Most gulls don’t bother to learn more than the simplest facts of flight — how to get from shore to food and back again.

 * We can lift ourselves out of ignorance, we can find ourselves as creatures of excellence and intelligence and skill.

 * Jonathan Seagull discovered that boredom and fear and anger are the reasons that a gull’s life is so short, and with these gone from his thoughts, he lived a long fine life indeed.

 * The gull sees farthest who flies highest.

 * Don’t believe what your eyes are telling you. All they show is limitation. Look with your understanding.

 * But the speed was power, and the speed was joy, and the speed was pure beauty.

 * If our friendship depends on things like space and time, then when we finally overcome space and time, we've destroyed our own brotherhood! But overcome space, and all we have left is Here. Overcome time, and all we have left is Now. And in the middle of Here and Now, don't you think that we might see each other once or twice?

 * The gulls who scorn perfection for the sake of travel go nowhere, slowly. Those who put aside travel for the sake of perfection go anywhere, instantly.

 * You will begin to touch heaven, Jonathan, in the moment that you touch perfect speed. And that isn't flying a thousand miles an hour, or a million, or flying at the speed of light. Because any number is a limit, and perfection doesn't have limits. Perfect speed, my son, is being there.

 *  "The only true law is that which leads to freedom," Jonathan said. "There is no other."

 *  "Such promises are only for the gulls that accept the ordinary. One who has touched excellence in his learning has no need of that kind of promise."

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User talk:Skizzler

--Aphaia 15:06, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Whiteowl4

--Aphaia 15:15, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hello From a Fellow Fan
Hi! Thanks a lot for all the VM page work. I was the one who posted on LJ the SOS, and I am happy people responded so amazingly! MosheZadka 17:43, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh, also, what's your lj username? [ Answer: herowlness Lizzy ]

title: User talk:Whiteowl4


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User talk:Sujit.bhosale

--Aphaia 15:15, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

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User talk:Alan Liefting

Hi Alan Liefting, thank you for your tireless and constant activities on Wikiquote. You have worked on wide topics and enrich our project. Keep it up! I am happy to work with you. Cheers, --Aphaia 15:39, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Glad to help. Alan Liefting 21:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Religion
Hi Alan Liefting, thank you for your contribution, but I am not sure if it was a good idea to separate Religion specially without any discussion in advance. I were happier if you let us know this idea and give the time to consider it. Such a big article isn't good to be treated so drastically and uniliterary in my opinin. Also I am not sure you follow our formatting convention. Would you mind us to get back the original version once? --Aphaia 10:23, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * I had thought long and hard about the move and I feel that it is not a "drastic" move. The naming and formatting can be altered if it is not appropriate. I can see no fault with the current arrangement. You would have to agree that the page was getting quite unweildly. Splitting it into the the three seperate articles with appropriate names and with all three pages referenced to each other seemed a logical progression. Alan Liefting 21:41, 30 July 2005 (UTC)
 * See also Talk:Religion. Alan Liefting 21:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your reply. I have a different opinion, so I don't think I have to agree to support your splitting. I think it isn't totally NPOV, in particular. See ya on Talk:Religion. --Aphaia 19:10, 1 August 2005 (UTC)

Hello! I've read a debate on Religion quotes. And I liked your saying: "Is the imbalance [of the numbers of anti-religious and pro-religious quotes] due to a higher number of anti-religious quotes being made in our society over quotes supporting religion?" As a freethinker and irreligious I want to thank you for this brilliant quote and consider it should be included in the Religion article. 89.236.214.174 09:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Wikiquote is for quotes from notable people and since I am not notable it would not be appropriate to add it. Alan Liefting 09:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, however, I really appreciate your quote :-) PS. Maybe we should create a special page for collecting quotes of users? 89.236.214.174 10:20, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks for kind words. Collecting user quotes may be easier option than making myself a Notable Person!! Alan Liefting 11:18, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Collection of user quotes :) Abdullais4u 12:40, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:Khatores~enwikiquote

--Aphaia 16:22, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Khatores. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Khatores~enwikiquote that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:26, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 05:51, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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User:Whiteowl4

General Information
Name: Lizzy

Age: 21

About: College student studying pharmacy in the US.

Personal Notes: While I have a limited amount of experience with Wikipedia, I wasn't aware of Wikiquote until very recently, when I found a link urging fans of Veronica Mars to help save it's Wikiquote page. I've played with the formatting on the page a bit, and I think it's in very good shape now. :) Maybe, eventually, when I find more of that elusive thing referred to as "free time," I'll update this page to add in some of my favorite quotes - and maybe even make referring pages for VM characters/actors on Wikipedia.

Favorites
Books: His Dark Materials triology by Philip Pullman, Redwall series by Brian Jacques, Medieval Mysteries series by Sharon Kay Penman ...

Movies: The Matrix, Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl, Win A Date With Tad Hamilton!, Runaway Jury, Gattaca, Sleepy Hollow, Bend It Like Beckham

TV Shows: Veronica Mars, The X-Files, Caroline in the City

Sports/Teams/Players: Green Bay Packers, NFL in general, Javon Walker, NCAA_basketball

Food/Cuisine: Mexican, Italian, mole sauce

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Kevin James

Kevin George Knipfing (born April 26, 1965), better known as Kevin James, is a comedian and actor. He is best known for his role on the U.S. sitcom, King of Queens.

Quotes

 * I'm not a gay man, but I will say this: I get it now. I know what all the hype is about.
 * after filming multiple takes of an on-screen kiss with actor Will Smith in the film Hitch

 * How big are muffins going to get before we all join hands across America? Have you seen them? They're huge. You walk in, "Yeah, I'll take a coffee and... Oh my God! Yeah, I'll take the bean bag chair with raisins. Wooh! Yeah! Alright, can't believe this is fat-free! Hey, you wanna help me out to the trunk of my car? No, leave the Saran Wrap on it I'll use it to cover my pool, this is good."
 * Sweat the Small Stuff (2001)

 * When you're big you don't need a reason to sweat. You don't, right? My friends cannot grab a hold of this concept. They come up to me all the time like "Jeez! What have you been doing? What are ya jumpin rope in the attic?!" "Well, I peeled an orange.. about an hour ago. Why, what's up?"
 * Sweat the Small Stuff (2001)

 * This annoyed me: I was on the phone with somebody today tryin to get a phone number from that person and write it down, but they didn't have phone number rhythm and that pissed me off. You know what I'm talkin about? Phone number rhythm. Especially if there's like an area code involved, like 'two one two - bum bum buh - bum buh bum buh!' That is the rhythm I think we're all familiar with. This guy had no clue! I was like "Okay, Hank. Gimme the number." He's like "Alright. It's two one two nine - fifteen eight eleven six [mumbling incoherently] fou.. tw.. five.. eight.. seven.. two." "Did you throw in your zip code? Cause I got a lot of extra numbers over here. I have extra. I can almost start a new number! What do ya got?! Start again from the top!" They really screw you up on the last four numbers. That's where they get ya. "Five five five - six.. teen forty one" "Dude, I already wrote the six! I made the dash too close, I can't shimmy the one in there now! Forget you!"
 * Sweat The Small Stuff (2001)

title: Kevin James