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L. Susan Brown
Hey, I saw you put L. Susan Brown in the definitions of anarchism. Is that Susan Love Brown? RJII 04:57, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Looking around on Google I don't think it is. That's bizarre. Susan Love Brown also writes on individualist anarchism and feminism. RJII 05:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

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Talk:Money

Misattributed Lincoln quote should be attributed?
"The government should create, issue and circulate all the currency and credit needed to satisfy the spending power of the government and the buying power of consumers. The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of Government, but it is the Government's greatest creative opportunity. By the adoption of these principles, the long-felt want for a uniform medium will be satisfied. The taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest, discounts and exchanges. The financing of all public enterprises, the maintenance of stable government and ordered progress, and the conduct of the Treasury will become matters of practical administration. The people can and will be furnished with a currency as safe as their own government. Money will cease to be the master and become the servant of humanity. Democracy will rise superior to the money power."

This is categorized as unattributed. I think it's attributed.

Senate document 23, page 91, 1865 as stated in "The Grip of Death: a study of modern money, debt slavery and desdtructive economies" by Michael Rowbotham, page 221

If someone is able to check original Senate document please do so and attribute this quote properly

Talk Money wikiquote
Removed:Hi yall
 * "This is likely to be administered for a course of years and then end in despotism ... when the people shall become so corrupted as to need despotic government, being incapable of any other" - Benjamin Franklin (referring to the final draft of the American Constitution)
 * It is clearly not a quote about money, but about Kyklos (the political cycle of governments in a society).

 * "If we see that Germany is winning, we ought to help Russia, and if Russia is winning we ought to help Germany, and that way we let them kill as many as possible." - Harry Truman, 33rd US President
 * It's definitely not about money.

 * "Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny." - Robert A Heinlein

- Colin Powell (on Saddam Hussein) February 2001
 * "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbours"
 * What has this do to with money?

 * "Terrorism is the war of the poor. War is the terrorism of the rich." - Leon Uris
 * This belongs under the war or terrorism quotes.

Removed some duplicates.

 * "The earth, in its natural, uncultivated state was, and ever would have continued to be, the common property of the human race." As the land gets cultivated, "it is the value of the improvement, only, and not the earth itself, that is in individual property. Every proprietor, therefore, of cultivated lands, owes to the community a ground-rent..to every person, rich or poor...because it is in lieu of the natural inheritance, which, as a right, belongs to every man, over and above the property he may have created, or inherited from those who did" - Thomas Paine 1796, p. 611; 612-613
 * This blongs under the Georgism article in wikipedia, or similar land taxation article.

--213.35.168.105 14:47, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) (Stratofortress)

There are still some duplicates.

A bit biased?
I came here looking for some good general quotes on money and what I found was a compendium of quotes whose entire purpose seems to be critiquing US monetary policy. Hopefully at some point this could be balanced out with some quotes that are actually about money and not banking and the federal reserve?

Show Me The Money
Is it listed? --71.254.104.95 03:51, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

A fuller, possibly better quote about this remark by Cuba Gooding Jr. is on the "Wealth" page...

Quotations from Wikipedia Article
The Wikipedia article on "Money" previously contained quotations. However, on 3 October 2007, all of the quotations compiled to that point were removed by user Only1nTh1sF0rTh3Mon3y, who has since been recognized as a multiple-account vandal. Several of the quotations, while not applicable on the Wikipedia page, are certainly worthy of being placed here but have yet to find their way over. I leave it to the rest of the Wikiquote community to determine what of the former Wikipedia money quotations have merit and how they should be distributed on this page.

Among those quotes removed are:
 * "God made Man. Man made Money. Money made Man mad."
 * "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and Mammon." Gospel of Matthew 6:24 (KJV)
 * "For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." First Epistle to Timothy 6:10 (KJV)
 * "When it's a question of money, everybody is of the same religion." Voltaire
 * "Only when the last tree has died and the last river been poisoned and the last fish been caught will we realise we cannot eat money." Cree proverb
 * "When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart." John Wesley
 * "Money. It's a gas." Pink Floyd
 * "Everybody loves 'money'. That's why it's called money." Danny DeVito
 * "Money doesn't talk, it swears." Bob Dylan
 * "So you think that money is the root of all evil? Have you ever asked what is the root of money? Money is a tool of exchange, which can't exist unless there are goods produced and men able to produce them. Money is the material shape of the principle that men who wish to deal with one another must deal by trade and give value for value. Money is not the tool of the moochers, who claim your product by tears or of the looters, who take it from you by force. Money is made possible only by the men who produce. Is this what you consider evil?" Ayn Rand
 * "The study of money, above all other fields in economics, is one in which complexity is used to disguise truth or to evade truth, not to reveal it. The process by which banks create money is so simple the mind is repelled." John Kenneth Galbraith
 * "Money is a stupid measure of achievement, but fortunately it is the only universal measure we have." - Charles Steinmetz
 * "When money talks, bullshit walks" Proverb used by officials in finance
 * "Money don't make a man, but man make money, because if you plan to be the man it's gonna take money." Da'unda'dogg
 * "What is money? Money is what makes a man act funny" Eminem

Attributed 1865 Quote from the bank of England
"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become indurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe.

 * Attributed to an editorial in the Times of London in 1865. No such editorial ever appeared. The earliest known appearance is September 2, 1898 in The Flaming Sword, Vol. XII, No.

This seems more than a little strange, because I think I have seen a photo of the article in a documentary...Nunamiut 00:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

 * There's a blurry copy of the Times of London in The Money Masters here, but I don't think that it's a picture of the specific editorial. I'll see if Bill Still actually knows when it is supposed to have appeared (by coincidence, just this morning I came across an email address of his and a forum he runs). I've never found a date given and I can't find it in the Digital Times Archive.

 * I have found (surprisingly) one Times article in the 1860s that uses both the words indurated and fixture, but it is a review of the book Words and Places by Isaac Taylor (Saturday, Mar 26, 1864; pg. 7; Issue 24830; col A), which has nothing to do with money.

 * I have also found one place where the word mischievous is used in relation to American currency (“The Civil War in America”, Friday, Aug 08, 1862; pg. 9; Issue 24319; col A), but it is completely different from the alleged editorial. I've also searched for the variant spellings mischievious and endurated and other fragments, but to no avail.

 * Also, it's a very silly quote. It's hard to imagine anyone actually writing that in an editorial.

 * KHirsch 21:48, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

 * I hardly think the comment silly. It reflects perfectly both the perspective and the arrogance of the central bankers, especially at that time. Their dominance in the world was being challenged. People mostly fail to comprehend the scope of the threat to globalist power, of both the Declaration of Independence as a Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and the establishment of a contractual government that made it possible for the people to be self governed through elected representatives. Unfortunately, the corruption of our Constitutional Republic has taken its toll on the comprehension of the American People for the Science of Liberty, through the infusion of socialistic philosophy into the political dialogue, disguised as modern "liberalism" and "progressivism". LibertyC33

 * Bill Still was not able to provide any more details.—KHirsch 03:51, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Sillier stuff has been written. Come to think of it, most anything written in the 1800's seems silly to any of us today. My two cents.Nunamiut 00:43, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

And I think Still made a perfectly reasonable defense rational for its authenticity: it's contemporaries did not deem it as a total falshood. and as Still said: "something which for whatever reason passed the scrutiny of the Banking and Currency Committee." You said yourself at the forum that you were able to find the quote from 1898 and onwards, people at that time generally had better memory than us, and I think it's reasonably safe to say that there were still people alive in 1898 that had experienced 1864. Furthermore, for your theory to work ( that it is in fact a fraud ) you would have to have something on the order of, oh, I don't know... a conspiracy theory perhaps, for it to so suddenly appear among multiple sources and still be a complete fraud unassailed by it's contemporaries.. My 2 cents again as it were.. Nunamiut 00:52, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Historical notes on the purported Times editorial
The supposed "London Times editorial" was included in an advertisement for the Cincinnati Enquirer that appeared in other newspapers in 1898 and 1899, e.g. here in The Daily Times (Portsmouth, Ohio), Oct. 20, 1898, pg. 7.

The earliest appearance that I've been able to confirm is an item "The Plutocratic Programme" in the Labor Advocate, (Birmingham, AL) Saturday, June 18, 1898; Issue 23; col D (in InfoTrac's 19th Century U.S. Newspapers), reprinted from the Cleveland Recorder.

However, the item "Forged Documents" in the Grand Junction News (Colo.), Oct. 10, 1896, p. 3, reprinted from the Seattle Post is almost certainly referring to it when it says:

 * Another article going the rounds of the Populist press is an alleged extract from an editorial by the London Times. One of our local contemporaries reproduced it. This was one of the most glaringly absurd forgeries which has yet appeared in print, for it represents the Thunderer using the language of the most rabid type of wild-eyed Populists.

Note: "one of the most glaringly absurd forgeries"!

—KHirsch 17:04, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Unsourced

 * A wise man should have money in his head, but not in his heart.
 * Jonathan Swift

 * Money is the blood and soul of men and whosoever has none wanders dead among the living.
 * Anonymous Ancient Greek saying.

 * Good news rarely comes in a brown envelope.
 * Henry d'Avigdor-Goldsmid

 * Is there a number or mark planned for the hand or forehead in a new cashless society? YES, and I have seen the machines that are now ready to put it into operation.
 * Ralph Nader

 * Money is an asset whose value is based on the social trust that it will be exchanged against commodities, services and other assets produced in the future.
 * Meghnad Desai

 * Money isn't everything, but it sure keeps you in touch with your children.
 * J. Paul Getty

 * The trade of the petty usurer is hated with most reason: it makes a profit from currency itself, instead of making it from the process which currency was meant to serve. Their common characteristic is obviously their sordid avarice.
 * Aristotle

 * This Act (the Federal Reserve Act, Dec. 23rd 1913) establishes the most gigantic trust on earth. When the President (Woodrow Wilson) signs the Bill, the invisible government of the Monetary Power will be legalised... The worst legislative crime of the ages is perpetrated by this banking and currency Bill.
 * Charles A. Lindbergh, Sr. (1859–1924) Congressman (father of the famous aviator)

 * The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the Civil War by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the US, if they remained as one block, and as one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world.
 * Otto von Bismark, Chancellor of Germany 1876

 * When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes... Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.
 * Napoleon Bonaparte, 1815

 * When you're rich, the government protects every buck you make and every shit you take.
 * Lewis Black, Accepted

 * He's got a wonderful head for money. There's this long slit on the top.
 * David Frost

 * The great rule is not to talk about money with people who have much more or much less than you.
 * Katharine Whitehorn

 * Money won't buy happiness, but it will pay the salaries of a large research staff to study the problem.
 * Bill Vaughan

 * It doesn't matter if you're black or white, the only color that really matters is green.
 * Family Guy

 * By doing good with his money, a man as it were stamps the image of God upon it, and makes it pass current for the merchandise of heaven.
 * John Rutledge

 * The deepest depth of vulgarism is that of setting up money as the ark of the covenant.
 * Thomas Carlyle

 * Money is a poor compensation for all the time we lose making it.
 * James Geary

 * People lose common sense when they gain dollars and cents.
 * James Geary

 * If I can acquire money and also keep myself modest and faithful and magnanimous, point out the way, and I will acquire it.
 * Epictetus, The Manuel

 * I'd like to live like a poor man with lots of money.
 * Pablo Picasso

 * Spending money comes in stages, like going broke.
 * Ann Robinson

 * Money doesn't always bring happiness. People with ten million dollars are no happier than people with nine million dollars.
 * Hobart Brown

 * Working for a lot of money can throw your self-image off.
 * Andy Warhol

 * Here we are sitting in a shower of gold, with nothing to hold up but a pitchfork.
 * Christina Stead

 * Money is what you'd get on beautifully without if only other people weren't so crazy about it.
 * Margaret Case Harriman

 * Money—in its absence we are coarse; in its presence we are vulgar.
 * Mignon McLaughlin

 * The safest way to double your money is to fold it over once and put it in your pocket.
 * Kin Hubbard

 * If you pay cash th' days won't roll by so fast.
 * Kin Hubbard

 * I don't believe money is no object. Money is the object.
 * James Gulliver

 * He who has money need have no fear of the law.
 * Old Russian saying

 * When you have only two pennies left in the world, buy a loaf of bread with one, and a lily with the other.
 * Chinese proverb

 * If you want to know what God thinks about money, just look at the people He gives it to.
 * Irish proverb

 * A penny in the purse is a gude friend.
 * Scottish proverb

 * Money maks the mare to go whether she has legs or no.
 * Scottish proverb

 * Money is like an eel in the hand.
 * Welsh Proverb.

 * With money in your pocket, you are wise, and you are handsome, and you sing well.
 * Yiddish Proverb.

 * Money is a curious thing to those who lack it, as they soon find that if they haven't got it, curiously enough, they can't spend it either.
 * Franklin P. Jones

 * Money has little value to its possessor unless it also has value to others.
 * Leland Stanford

 * It's not because I'm rich that I kan pay my workers well, it's because I pay my workers well that I'm rich.
 * Robert Bosch, German industrialist

 * Money buys everything, even true love.
 * Nelson Rodrigues

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Song lyrics
Hi Kalki. Please see What Wikiquote is not - song lyrics are not one of the things that Wikiquote includes. You are welcome (and encouraged!) to find actual quotations by singers such as Kate Bush, and add them in Wikiquote. Nanobug 16:55, 11 Aug 2003 (UTC)
 * Note on revisions that were made after this comment: This and similar issues were discussed further in 2003 with no objections to a proposed change, and changes in the policy statement were made in May of 2004 that clearly permit quotations from lyrics, but generally discourage the use of the full lyrics of songs, even those not under copyright. ~ Kalki 00:10, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Julian of Norwich
Hello Kalki: thank you for 'doing' the Julian of Norwich quotations. As i had submitted a page on Sir Thomas Browne of Norwich only a couple of days earlier, they make good complimentary pages, being mystically-inclined Norwich residents. Anyway, thanks again, your selection of Julian is really a credit. Norwikian@Wikipedia62.253.32.5 11:20, 28 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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Administrator nomination
Hello Kalki. I've nominated you for adminship at Wikisource. Please reply there to say if you accept or not. Thanks for all your work over there. :) Angela 02:29, 17 January 2004 (UTC)

 * I also suggested you be made a sysop here as you and Nanobug are practically the only editors. You might want to check out the Votes for deletion page. There are some things that have been waiting since October. :) Angela 04:56, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

You're now an administrator. -- Tim Starling 04:50, 29 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Hegel
Kalki! Thank you so very much for cleaning up my Hegel quotes. -Saltykov-Shchedrin

Links within quotes
After consideration I agree with you and have stopped adding links within quotes. Thanks. Hyacinth 21:58, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Category options
I am waiting to see what categories develop on the wikipedia before commiting to any category scheme here. ~ Kalki

Thanks for your comments. My only problem is the way I'm filling up Special:Recentchanges... Oh, well if people want to see minor edits the'll get what they deserve ;-) - Tobin Richard 01:46, 26 May 2004 (UTC)

Television shows
Kalki, thank you for the nice welcome message on my User Talk page. I also wanted to let you know that I moved the Television Shows article to Television shows (just a case change). Your User page had the only link I didn't revise, as I didn't feel comfortable updating someone's User page. (I'm bold, but not that bold.) ☺ -- Jeff Q 02:31, 29 May 2004 (UTC)

Dialog styles
Re: dialog style. Agreed, I don't want to force anything on people either. I find some of the styles hard to read tho. I think a discussion would bring out the best styles. Should I remove the "Supprt" section for now? -- Jeandré, 2004-06-12t00:26z

 * There probably isn't a need to remove it, but I think it should serve just as a gauge for preferences, and any reasons people have for them, and not a poll for establishing any rules. ~ Kalki 01:21, 14 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Kalki - origins and uses of the name

 * I was just wandering through Wikipedia when I ran across the Dasavatara (under Avatar). Kalki, eh? " "Destroyer of Confusion", "Destroyer of Darkness", and "Annihilator of Ignorance" make excellent noms de wiki. But aren't you 428,000 years early? ☺ -- fellow Kate Bush fan Jeff Q 06:37, 30 May 2004 (UTC)

 * I am quite mystical in many of my perspectives on things, and interested in fighting with fairness against what foulness I can, but I certainly make no claims to be the Maha Avatara that some have anticipated. Even so, it's never too early to get involved with the dissipation of ignorance, confusion, and indifference to the things that matter most in whatever capacities you honorably can, and to do what good you can, in those ways that you are most capable of doing. Kate is one of those who has been doing this for years in her own passionate ways, and I'm glad to find another fan of her work involved in these Wiki-realms.
 * Another tidbit on the name Kalki: besides the Hindu and Buddhist usages, and a few others I'm familiar with, reference to Kalki also became prominent among the ideas of fantasist-satirist James Branch Cabell, who was a great inspiration to Robert Heinlein. I surmised that you might also be a fan of RAH because of the rather distinctive use of the term "discorporation" on your page. I must confess that I am one of those odd people who tend to object to anyone being called "completely useless" even in jest by themselves, but like Valentine Michael Smith I have learned to laugh at some of the absurd and distorting ways we humans use language, words, and statements, as well as to greatly cherish some of the best. ~ Kalki 09:31, 31 May 2004 (UTC)

Bolding of parts of quotes
Okay, I frankly hadn't realized that had been done with forethought. I had seen a couple of quote-lists where two or three whole quotes out of several dozen were bolded, just as a few others out of the list were placed in quote marks but not all the others. I took this to be sloppy input by individuals who hadn't bothered to look at the whole article and note predecessors' style (. . . and if those weren't done by you, probably that was the case, in those cases). Anyway, I won't assume hereafter that bolding needs "fixing"!

I've been active mostly on Wikipedia, but I'm also a longtime quote collector and there are a lot of major names I don't see included at all. I'll be adding new pages for Sir Thomas More, William Jennings Bryan, Lily Tomlin, Truman Capote, and quite a few others. Michael K. Smith 19:34, 5 Jul 2004 (UTC)

lynx
Well, actually, I had seen this mentioned as an option only near the top of the Templates page -- but with no description of what it does or how or where to apply it, nor anything in the relevant Talk, either. Does this mechanism automatically insert the page title (i.e., the name) in the List of People? Or does it work more like categories, with no browsable list? Not to carp here, but if you're going to invent things, you need to market them. . . . ---Michael K. Smith 20:42, 7 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Reduced activity likely from me
I normally try to check in on Wikiquote at least every few hours; once or twice a week I might be out of contact as much as 12 hrs at a time, but that is usually the biggest gap that occurs. I try to contribute at least a little every few days with a few more quotes from the many files I am gradually formatting and drawing upon on my hard drives, but this week I might not contribute so much as normal. I am linked right now through an connection from a Powerbook I recently bought, but many of the files and programs I normally use have not yet been loaded onto it. The iMac on my desktop is still functioning, but its ethernet port was knocked out by a thunderstorm yesterday; I saw the spark and heard the pop that killed it, when lightning struck a line nearby. Right now, I have an immense amount of material to organize, programs to install, and many preferences to configure on my most used utility programs. I hope to have my iMac online again within the week, but am considering what networking options remain to me. I am trying to keep the Powerbook a bit more streamlined and organized than the iMac has been, and I have literally many thousands of files to review and sort. Though I had hoped to make a few more additions to Wikiquote this weekend (when server traffic usually seems lightest), and still might, my other file sorting activity will definitely keep me busy. This is basically just a note of explanation as to why I might not seem so active as normal over the next week or so. I still plan to monitor things, and take care of any essentials… but the mishap with the lightning bolt has forced me to shift much of my attention to organizing my own information files and exploring my options for re-connecting with my desktop machine. I will still be around, just probably not as active here as I normally try to be. ~ Kalki 18:59, 10 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Many other activities and concerns have kept me a bit less active than normal here over the last few weeks, and the failure of one of my primary hard drives yesterday has complicated things for me a bit more. I still usually check in a few times a day, but it wll probably now be at least another week before I have my personal computers set up to my satisfaction, and have the time to provide any extensive amount of contributions. It is good to see that lately other contributors are becoming more active and I wish to thank everyone for what interesting quotations they are providing. ~ Kalki 12:44, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Automagical Namespace Supression
Hey Kalki, just FYI and so you can add it to any relevant how-to or template pages you might create, Wiki allows supression of namespaces automatically with a pipe. Author and User:Kalki are equivalent to Author and Kalki Regards, Stevesliva

"Title entries"
How do you suggest handling title-entries like Cinema is in a unique position to throw light on the fact that reality is a mass hallucination? Is there a useful strategy or an automatic method for hunting them down? I suspect there're a lot of these things.... --Michael K. Smith 18:04, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * Pardon me for 'butting in' - 'What links here' brought me to this page from Cinema is in a unique position to throw light on the fact that reality is a mass hallucination. I moved the page, which makes the quote a link to the author.  I am thinking this is a good thing, so a quote can be entered and take one directly to the listing. comments?Pedant 02:57, 11 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Replied to on User talk:Pedant

Not-so-speedy deletions
As the only Wikiquote admin I've conversed with, I thought I'd ask you how long one might expect a "speedy deletion" request take to be completed. My posting of LuLu Ebeling is now six days old, which suggests it might have been faster to post it under VfD! Also, I see that Wikiquote uses Wikipedia's deletion policy instead of having one of its own. I know Wikipedia is orders of magnitude more busy, so I wonder if there are any different lag times for ordinary VfD requests. Thanks for your help. — Jeff Q 00:09, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Replied to on User talk:Jeff Q

General format question
Hello Kalki! I've migrated over here some from Wikipedia, and I have a question to ask. What is the proper format for entries? I've seen quotes that use quotation marks and some that don't...do you think you could clarify this for me? Sorry if it's addressed elsewhere--maybe I'm just not looking in the right places. --Pie4all88 04:50, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * One more thing, while I'm at it--where would I post the Russian proverb "Education is light, lack of its darkness."? Is there a place for quotes that come from a certain nationality or would it just go under Anonymous? --Pie4all88 04:50, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Placing quotation marks around quotes was decided as policy very early on, but it is one that I frankly find tedious, ridiculous, and UGLY and do not enforce, nor usually obey, though I did for a time. It was decided by a vote of a few people at a very early stage, most of whom made very few contributions before or since, and it is a policy I never thought should be imposed or adopted. There are a few issues that it might be appropriate to vote upon soon, and this is an issue I personally would wish to see voted upon again. The Russian proverb would be fine on the Russian proverbs page. I am in a bit of a rush right now, and am rushing in my answers. I might elaborate on them later. ~ Kalki 15:56, 28 Aug 2004 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks a lot Kalki. I only have the translation of that proverb I was talking about, so I guess I shouldn't put it there.  Again, thanks for the help. --Pie4all88 23:12, 29 Aug 2004 (UTC)

Logo
Hello Kalki,

I put this in Nanobug's talk page, but I thought I'd messge you too, as you are also an admin.

Just noticing that the logo is not transparent, and I can provide a transparent one if you like so that it sits better with the page. If there are any other little tidbits that I can do to improve it, let me know. You might also want to suggest updating the logo on the wikimediafoundation.org site. It still is the old disproportionate arcs logo.

Transparent PNG logo:

I darkened the text a little so it would stand out more against a non-white background.

Cheers,

Neolux 02:25, 1 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Quote of the day
Hiya. You seem to be the "maintainer" of the Wikiquote QotD, so I thought I'd just drop you a note to say that (starting today) the English Wikipedia's "article of the day" email (daily-article-l) will also include today's QotD. Regards  — Kate Turner | Talk 05:44, 2 Sep 2004 (UTC)

UVa website on Prem Rawat and the very first edit war on Wikiquote
It is a bit sad that the first edit war has occured here though it would have happened anyway. The reasons why I do not insist on adding the UvA website as external link to the Prem Rawat entry is that we already had such a difficult editing proces in Wikipedia, and I and my adversery do not want to repeat it here. We confine ourselves to quotes here, which is already difficult enough, as you can read on the talk:Prem Rawat.

I want to make some general remarks about the UVa website on religious movement. The entries were written by many different students of the late Jeffrey Hadden and were not proofread and as could be expected from them, the quality differs dependent on the student. For example the entry on Sathya Sai Baba, my former guru, contains very serious factual mistakes (confusing Shirdi Sai Baba with Sathya Sai Baba). In contrast, I believe that the entry on Elan Vital/Prem Rawat is quite good. Though it should be noted that the entry refers to beliefs and practices that are obsolete. After Douglas Cowan took over the website from Jeffrey Hadden the website will be updated, as he wrote in an email to me, but this takes time, of course. Andries 20:23, 11 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Categories
Thanks for the compliments. I categorized most of the main page's stuff, though not all themes are done. I realized part of the way through that there's probably too many themes to put in one category, so subcategories would probably be best for them all. I probably missed a few articles here and there while I was working, so there's probably others that need to be categorized still. And I wouldn't want to hog all the fun for myself, after all. :) -- LGagnon (talk) 20:22, 26 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Wikimedia Commons
The Wikimedia Commons project is developing as a site to store GNU FDL and public domain images that can be used across all Wikimedia projects. It is still in its preliminary stages, and this comment is just a preliminary test to see how it works with the Wikiquote software. Further information upon it will be posted more prominently, in the days and weeks ahead. ~ Kalki 22:45, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Test 1 : Buddha ~ Test 2:

Test 3:

Test 4:

 * Notice about Wikimedia Commons from Erik Möller (W:User:Eloquence)

Removal of genuine quotes from Prem Rawat by user:Jossifresco
I strongly object to removal of genuine quotes by user Jossifresco whom I believe to be the same person as ip 64.81.88.140 Could you please help? Read this to understand the background of the conflict. Thanks Andries 17:11, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

 * Please see my response at talk:Prem Rawat ≈ jossi ≈ 22:13, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Google
I also wonder how do you deal with SPAM so fast, I saw you revert vandalism really fast on couple pages - and is this a big problem on the wiki'? If so how can we deal with it, I'm sure the idea has been brought up, but wouldn't it be better for people to log in with a user name before they can edit - after it still will be free, it will act as (minor) deterrent, atleast to those that are too lasy to sing-in, plust it be much easier to bloc User-Names, rather than IP'adds. But thanks for the contributions, I want this place to be in the top 10 of search results. RoboAction 22:37, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC) PS what do you think about the format for The Fog of War or for that matter my other ideas of formats dealing with films...Wikiquote talk:Templates
 * I've noticed that wikiquote is NOT rated well when one searches for quotes or quotations on google or yahoo. While wikipedia is well (searching encyclopedia) in both, and of course that is expected, but I was wondering if we can improve the results for wikiquote?  For example; Wikipedia's (tittle bar) home page actually contains the word encyclopedia, it also contains vast amount of links - should we place more links in wikipedia that direct it to wikiquote   ex: The Fog of War vs.   ?

Benn of Woodrow Wilson fame
Thanks for your welcome, Kalki.

I will do what I can now adding things to the Commons. Whatever I can't verify as being in the public domain I do not use; for things I've already found on Wiki sites, I assume they have been cleared.

Thanks again for your hospitality. Bennmorland 05:32, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Found this. Bennmorland 05:37, 5 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Stubs - expand
I was wondering if we can create a system of stubs as we do in wikipedia -- the section I am concentrating on is the film and tv section, so I would like to create (article specific stub) such as the being offered on 'pedia (I may need help in doing so - the logistics). This could really help out on some of these articles...we would have a clean list of sections/articles that need to be worked on, so users can browse for their film that's on the list and improve best they can. I created atleast one format style that may be of interest, but I am planning on creating more and I am looking for input, you may find this at my sandbox. My main concern is to seperate us from IMDb, because IMDb may be ok or even good, it is not great for quotes...difficult to browse, etc. So I feel our strength at wikiqoute is to keep the quotes clean and easily editable (what?). I will be updating a few articles by the end of this week, I will also discuss more of options in dealing with TV shows and Films... see also: -- Film TV Debate -- Film Talk -- TV Talk -- PEACE RoboAction 22:51, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

choosing of my inclination
I appreciate your comment on my talk page. I will not be defending myself here, for I feel it’s unnecessary, but I will clarify on the "choosing of my inclination". First, I am not claiming to know the solution for proper Wikiquote formatting, but I do have a firm belief in what a appropriate film quotation looks and feels like. It’s why you see me focusing my energy in the Film category of wikiquote, and not in People - yet, you will find me placing “stubs” on people such as Rudy Giuliani because common sense tells me - he’s said more and we need to hear it -

The criteria I perceived to be important, and thus judged the articles on, were: A clear statement on who is this person and/or what is this film about - (damn at least give me a genre), who said what? Who created this work (this is not only being responsible to the creators but possible copyright violations - give credit where credit is do) ? [I also like seeing links going back to wikipedia and using lynx templates, not to spice up the article, but to make it user-friendly].

If I may take a random sample of the articles I selected for Stubs or Clean-up; Dumb and Dumber - Clearly a classic and many of us can recite great lines from the film off the top of our head, but at it’s current state this does not show that and it’s why I view it as a clear Stub. (Chinatown, Titanic, A Few Good Men, are some extreme examples). In-regards to Cleanups, I was mainly concerned with the user perception - that is, if some someone was to stumble across A Beautiful Mind - would they have gained anything out of it, after all, what do these lines of words mean? Another term we may use is Wikify, but I see no need to create this as a useless template, it’s simply implied that hey, this article is just about there...just clean it up and wikify it. I mean to see some of these articles is a shame to the classics that they are: Wayne's World, Forrest Gump, Magnolia, and Life of Brian...incoherent.

Some may view me as an asshole, I say hey, I’m a jerk, but not an asshole. On some talking points since I’m here; I would personally like articles that appear on the Main Page to be examples of high standard so to show a quick example: Clue - clearly I have no idea what this film is about (if it is a film after all), who said what,? [It’s a complete mess, and it’s why I view it as a perfect candidate for a clean-up (wikify)].

I’m going to take a camping break, thanks for your kind words and your contributions, till then, PEACE RoboAction

Use of colons in section headers
'''I am certainly the primary culprit in having put colons at the end of many section headers, but repented of my error, when I found it interferes with the ability to direct links to these sections of pages. I encourage the deletion of all colons in section headers, everywhere they are encountered''', as I am doing now on this page. I know that such use of colons is mostly likely to be found in the "External links" sections of many pages that I have worked on in the past.~ Kalki 00:23, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

LotR quote of the day
I bring this up here because you seem to have the ability to edit that page. I can't figure out where else to bring this up.

The current quote of the day needs to be changed. It's from the book (The Fellowship of the Ring) and is included once in a letter written by Gandalf and once it is recited by Bilbo Baggins, who says he wrote it (about Aragorn). The fact that Arwen says it in the movie is secondary to that, and it looks somewhat sloppy to credit the film. -Aranel 00:26, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)
 * If you don't have a chance to change it on the quote of the day, it definitely should be corrected in the archive. -Aranel 00:28, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Categories
Alright, so I did push the Random page button a few times, but I did discover some flaws. I know the issue of categorizing articles is of a new concern, but I see positive affect from this, for example, this idea of double-entry is not needed and we need to educate/show others on how not to do this. Maintance procedure may look like this; to check Maintance is to use the categories as a browse function: so if you want to see quickly what articles have been added with a   notice - you can check out the Category:Votes for deletion, and not worry if the user/contributer also placed it on a list somewhere to be found.

More sperficially, if a user wants to contribute to wikiquote, they can browse to the appropriate (their favorite section) and help with the request - ex. a person who likes the people section, can find the people stubs section and easily see which one he/she wants to work on. These cat. lists are self-maintance - once the user does their contribution, they also remove the tag and walla.

I really want to work on getting this sight ranked higher on search engines. The only ground it's holding now is, as you mentioned, the connection with wikipedia. At the moment-thinking out loud (and writing it here) I see couple of options:
 * 1) We encourage users from wikipedia to journey to wikiquote and contribute where they can
 * 2) We stick to the classic "How to be found on the web" points: Alt. tags in photos, using KEYWORDS throughout our site (Quotations, Quotes, Proverbs...etc), It needs to get specific, so when I am on the List of films page - the blue top bar should say, "Film (movie) quoatations, quotes."
 * 3) We need to get linked from more places, collaborate with others
 * 4) Need to spark an interest...
 * 5) Plus all those other ideas....coming soon

You mentioned before that you have something in mind on how to accomplish this, is the time to share the idea out yet? Myself, I'll begin doing what I can, and I am striving to make www.wikiquote.org a solid contendor in it's own right; but according to the web ranking Alexa.com we are at 44,924 (but growing steadily) Our site information is lacking information and also minor data points - So to get the word out, and attrack several Users should be our main focus, after all, the power of users is they grow exponentionaly. PEACE ~ RoboAction 09:51, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

You seem much more familiar with the category functions that have been developed than I yet am, and I agree that they are very useful, and should become the primary method of cataloging pages, but is there a way to link to a Category page within a sentence yet? I am not familiar with a method to make a link other than those that occur at the bottom of a page, and it would be useful to know a method of linking from within a statement, as I do now with the current List of films. As for some of my ideas for increasing activity and interest here, I really haven't been aiming at increasing visibility or "hooking people in" through various links and Keywords and such, but I do not object to others attempting to do so, in at least a few ways. I simply feel we need many more pages yet of notable people and works, and many more highly notable quotes, yet always retaining a clear emphasis on increasing our reliability by correcting errors, and gradually moving most "Attributed" quotes into sections for "Sourced" quotes. One of the ideas I've had, that I have recently mentioned elsewhere, is to simply have pages for very large lists with names of people and films that are candidates for pages here, but NOT with active links to any uncreated page. I am still gathering up names, and editing such a list for people, and hope to have a list of perhaps a couple thousand names ready within the next few days. This could spark at least a few more people to seek out some quotes of notable people that we do not yet have, and provide a visible gauge of our progress in coming months. I agree with other editors that having many red links on a listing page is not a good idea, and conceive these as initially pages of suggestions and ideas, with links made active only as the pages are actually created, or about to be. I myself have not done any work on such a page for films yet (and to better conform with Wikipedia usage I think we should generally refer to these as "movies", especially in our page titles here). A few other ideas that I have I am still tweaking a bit, and I do hope to have them ready soon as well. Your efforts and enthusiasm are very welcome, and many of your own ideas are probably worth pursuing and developing into formal suggestions for everyone to consider. Just as an aside: I noticed a typo "quoatations" in your above note: this bit of mistyping seems to regularly occur with me, but I normally catch it, and it's amusing to see that I am not totally alone in this; perhaps such mistyping should occur in any invisible "Keyword" lists that are made, if we decide to use them here. ~ Kalki 19:02, 18 Dec 2004 (UTC)

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