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Peloponnesischer Krieg
Hi Erkan,

Ich kann nicht gut in Deutsch schreiben, but i am able to read German with an excellent understanding. So, i would like to join in about the Peloponnesian war. 10 years ago, i followed a course on this subject, but it has withered away considerably. Yesterday, i graduated on 21st century thinking about liberalism and neoconservatism as master of history, so i have moved far away from ancient history.--Daanschr 09:09, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Daanschr, congratulations to your success.
 * About Peloponnesian war: well, I am reading so far in my own speed, when I have some time. I have not a history studying as background as you, I am just an interested person. At the moment I have started reading Donald Kagan's four-volume history. I am at the 2nd year of the Peloponnesian War. Let's see how we can proceed from here. Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 09:38, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, will try to get some books as well. Should be easy, since i live in a city area with millions of inhabitants.--Daanschr 17:24, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You want to buy them or get them from the library ? I just told my progress level so far. I see this as a longterm project - for about 1-2 years or so. Depending how normal life interferes :-)
 * BTW: your German above is very good, Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 17:54, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Longterm is the best, otherwise it can hardly be called learning. I know from history class that the amount of sources about the period is extremely limited. It would be nice to read the few original sources and than look at the books. All modern books have to be interpretations of these sources, especially of course the book of Thycidides.
 * My english is far better than my German. And i would have to use a Dutch-German dictionary.--Daanschr 10:32, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * We could do this also in English, because there are not so many participants in the German course - it is just me :-) Though 3 others have signed as interested. But I guess they lack the time or are not really interested.
 * Indeed reading the works of Xenophon, Plutarch, Diodorus Siculus, Ephorus would be nice. And even if I knew some old Greek language :-) All books are probably some kind of interpretation. We should invent a time machine :-)
 * We could e.g. say, let's read now chapter x-y from Thucydides and then we could talk about it.
 * Or another starting point could be: e.g. we could read an article in WP and then we could discuss based on the article in WP (and how to improve WP's article?).
 * We could also meet in a chat channel where we could discuss from time to time ? I am frequently in #wikiversity-en. Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 17:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to download the chat programm, tried to be online sometime. My computer is too old, though. It is too much cramped with info. I will buy a new one the coming year as priority one on the list of things to buy when i have money. I can't chat at work, since i have to control students that they don't chat. If i do chat, than i probably will get huge arguments with the students (16+=puberty), after which i will be fired.
 * I will go to the library this week. I work 42.5 hours a week, so i have a tendency of getting the evening off, despite my only 14 minutes of bycicling per day. When i have the book, i have plenty of time to read it at work.--Daanschr 18:59, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool, take your time, the war has passed long time already. When you have the needed things, I will be waiting for you. Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 19:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It will be friday or this weekend untill i have time for the library. My agenda is solidly booked full.--Daanschr 10:02, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
 * All the texts for the Peloponnesian wars are already online isn't it? I presumed i had to take some books from the library, but apparently it isn't necessary?--Daanschr 12:01, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the book from Thucydides is available online. Sorry I thought you wanted to get additional literature (see my edit here and also here you can find English material).
 * So, how are you doing ? Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 12:13, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * In real life, i'm doing fine! If you were asking about what i've read so far, than i haven't done anything yet for the Peloponnesian war. I will start reading next week at work. This week it was pretty busy. So, i'm not doing nothing at work. Next week there will be exams in the computerroom. I will help the teachers with surveillance.--Daanschr 16:12, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * It is good, you are doing fine. Me also, since it is especially weekends :-) About reading: well if I find time, then mostly on weekends. So we could do a chat session once, when it suits you. See you, Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 17:04, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Shall we chat saturday the 17th (next week)?--Daanschr 17:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * ok, for coordination: my time at the moment is: 18:23 Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 17:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
 * We live in the same timezone (CET). Shall we chat during the day or in the evening?--Daanschr 11:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * For the 17th: during the day would be fine. If I am online, you can find me in #wikiversity-en Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 11:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Erkan, i have read the first book of Thucydides untill aphorism 23. It descibes the history of Greece and the major causes for the war. It should be enough for an initial discussion. The Wikipedia article on Thucydides and the description of Thucydides in the link you provided for the German course on Wikiversity, give some interesting information to discuss about.--Daanschr 12:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I will have a look at this too until Saturday. Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 17:25, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
 * See you then!--Daanschr 08:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Heading just into bed. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 01:02, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

re: redirect
I want it to redirect to here http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/TCP/IP_Model.

When i added onto the IPv6 entry, i referenced the TCP/IP page, but I didnt reference it correctly, and now I have a page that needs to either be deleted or redirected.

--Josh Sandlin 00:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
 * nevermind, I corrected it.
 * OK, page deleted. Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 05:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I change my user name??
Hello, this is "Prof". How do I change my user name??

This is "Prof" again. I have a new user name "Darrel". I was unable to leave a message to explain what I did. I find it difficult to move around in this unfamiliar landscape. Hopefully, all things will become apparent with time.

 * Great, btw: you can always visit us in the Chat, where we instantly can answer your questions. What do you say ?
 * PS: do not forget to sign your edits :-) Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 17:35, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Page stop??
In my Cornish Department, someone keeps coming along and changing the link names.

At the moment it is Kernewek Onan As you can see this link goes to a made page. Some one comes along and chages it to Kernowak Onen, which is a different spelling system (there are 4 in cornish), and as you can see this is a dead link. For several days this has happened and ive had to cha nge it back so that the courses could be reached, and he/she has come back and changed them to a dead link. I believe i have seen a page stop, so no-one but special people can edit the page. I would like to know how to get one as these changes are a nuisance. This is a real big problem and i need something to stop it. If this isnt possible please tell me how i can see whos changing this stuff so i can contact him ASAP. Thanks ever so much, youre the only person i know who i can come to --TheElvenLord 13:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC) Head of Cornish and Devonain, Brythonic Celtic Langauges Division

 * Hello, in the version history (e.g. here for that page) which can be opened via the button "history" you can see who did an edit. You could then write on the talk page of that IP/user asking why this was done. As I see you posted something already here: Topic talk:Cornish. But better it is to write the user directly also. This could be seen faster (if the IP does not change). Here you can see that user's contributions. But I would recommend to search the dialog to get to know the reason behind the action.
 * It is possible to protect a page (e.g. for registered users or only accessible by custodians, more info here). I can not judge from that now, how often the change was made. As said, given with the info now and that I do not speak the language you use, it can not be judged if this is vandalism or something else. Perhaps you could help me here with more information ?
 * Another way would be to make a redirect, see here. Then different links could be set up to go to one page only.
 * BTW: you can ask also others here: Request custodian action in case I answered too late and you need in the future faster response. And even better: go to the Chat. Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 16:42, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Now, different people disagree on how these words are actually spelt. The 4 main spelling systems are Unified Cornish Rrevived, Kernewek Kemmyn (Common Cornish) , Unified Cornish and Old Cornish.(im not too sure on 1 of those names) , KK is the spelling system used by the langauge oranisations (eg. Kesva an Taves Kernow (The Cornish Langauge Board) and Gorsedd Kernow (Where people who have done great things for the langauge or country meet) and most of the books , if not all , are written in KK. Also , most people actually spell KK anyway. Students with a real intrest in Cornish , will most likely by a book , which will be written in KK. Now if the division is written for example in UCR , they are going to get awfully confused about how to actually spell. So , being the head of department , and creator of the pages , i decided it would be best to have the lessons in KK , as to not confuse the students , or the teachers (as the chances are , most will be KK). Now, Kernewek Onan , is Cornish One , and that is correct by the only dictionary out there , and by KK. But someone is coming along and changing the things to Kernowak Onen, which as explained before , takes the link away from a course and eg. Course 1 , and prevents the student from taking part in any course. I have posted a notice saying that KK is to be used, but the person has gone against that and changed it back to Kernowak. Thanks for your help so far, If theres anything that can help me further i would b pleased to know. Good luck on whatever project your doing now, or in the future. See you "Dhe weles" --TheElvenLord 19:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC) Head of Cornish and Devonian
 * Thanks Erkan, my langauge , the Cornish langauge was a proper spoken langauge in the kingdom of Cornwall (or Kernow) ... the language died out when the English invaded and supressed the language. In the 1900's a man named Henry Jenner revived the langauge from a few old texts he discovered.

 * Thank you for the explanation on the Cornish language and its history. I understand fully the point that the edits create links which do not exist. As said: it could be created a redirect, e.g. on page Kernowak Onen could be made a redirect to page Kernewek Onan. So people would land on the page you want. But still that would not hinder that person making the edits, to edit also there.
 * The good thing about wiki(versity) is, that it gives everyone the freedom to participate. This can result in good or bad things.
 * Another option could be to create texts in all 4 spelling system e.g. with subpages like "main page/subpage", e.g. Topic:Cornish/KK, Topic:Cornish/UCR and so on
 * If there are 4 spelling systems I wonder why not all should coexist, because it would be an opportunity to save these for future generations. Especially with the history of Cornish that it "died out" once.
 * As said, I am not the correct person to judge what is spelled correct or not, since I do not know the language Cornish itself. :-( But I am offering you my help as best as possible. Probably I would also be unhappy, if someone would revert my edits on and on. Do you want to take the offer to visit us at the Chat ? There we can talk interactive. What do you say ? Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 19:22, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It will take a minute
Erkan,

I have to download a programm in order to be able to chat. It will take a minute (don't know how long). I am a slow starter today. Drank too much wine at work and too much wishky at home yesterday.--Daanschr 12:33, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

thanks
Thanks for all you contributions to Wikiversity such as cleaning up "spills". --JWSchmidt 16:13, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Ideas for the next session
Hi Erkan,

The first session of the book reading club was a success! Though, i think we need a certain task with the texts that we read. Yesterday i told you some of my ideas with the text, but you didn't know what was coming and we both had no idea on what to do with the text. Perhaps for the next session, we could help improve the Wikipedia articles related to the Peloponnesian War, or perhaps think of some questions related to the text. Another idea is that we could both write a small summary of the text and think of some points which could bring up a discussion. It would be much better if others would join. Than a real debate is possible with several conflicting views. We were both on the same side with the conflict that i made apparent, so there was no space for a juicy discussion on the topic.--Daanschr 09:49, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Daanschr, yes, that is a good idea. We could also for each session consider the written text from the eyes of different involved people (e.g. a Spartan or Athenian or another Greek city or barbarian. And then from each different groups like e.g. politician, warrior, mother, sister, ..., young children, old people, ...). About the views: well, I guess we are still at the surface. Arguments will come for sure :-)
 * About updating Wikipedia articles: sounds good, I mean small edits we can do any time while searching for info. While we gain more info on the subject we can improve over time more and more.
 * What we could do is: we could make a Reading group page, where we write down what we did over time. Others can then easily join after reading these ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 10:35, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I like all your ideas. We could write them down on a reading group page. I have some things to do today, so i will not have much time. I will work on it the coming week.--Daanschr 10:59, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, then let me create it and you can continue next week. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 11:00, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * first attempt: Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 11:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

I have added some ideas on the resource site. I don't know wether scheduled tasks are preferable to ad hoc discussions based on the texts that are read. We are walking on a brand new path.--Daanschr 13:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Just short feedback on some points: the first book in this short of time will be hard for me, I am doing also other things besides :-) let's just see about the adhoc meetings. the more people will join, the better for it. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:09, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

We could also read a bit, what about aphorism 24 to aphorism 50? I don't know what will be into the text, but we can do something with it.--Daanschr 17:27, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, smaller parts are better. If we have time or see that the topic which we read is not finished, we can of course read more ahead.
 * But since you have more time, you should definitely read more. As said, towards weekends I have more time to read this specific book. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:45, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The main focus i like to have in the book groups for the moment is to keep things going. It doesn't matter wether someone reads a bit or not, at least as we are active once a week. That may seem little, but it most definitely isn't, if you look at everything that failed in the Wikimedia Foundation due to a halt in activity. Of course, it would be easy to get things going once there is a group of people active.
 * I prefer to read along with your pace. I could do something extra with the text, (don't know what yet). I could read the same text several times, for instance. That way we will be at the same level, somehow. That is good for the group interaction.--Daanschr 18:34, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I will make some templates on Wikipedia on Thucydides related articles. As a marketing strategy. The more people that join, the easier it is to keep the group running.--Daanschr 18:36, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Daanschr, being active once a week should not be a problem (e.g. on weekends), actually it is good, so I keep going in that topic.
 * About Wikipedia: I am not sure, if WP would allow to make such a marketing. But what is no problem is something like this I guess: making edits on a text and then writing on the discussion page the reason why it was done: e.g. w:Talk:Ephor Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 20:55, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, i could make another WikiProject again and say it is a cooperation between Wikipedia and Wikiversity. Wikipedia can gain by basing the articles more on reliable sources and to have an actual discussion about the relevance of these sources. Wikiversity can gain because a debate on the relevance of sources is in the heart of the scientific practise. Activities that are focused on article improvement can be done on the talk pages of Wikipedia, while reading and discussing of texts without the need of improving articles can be done on Wikiversity.--Daanschr 21:51, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I have started a new WikiProject, which can cooperate with the reading groups of Wikiversity.Daanschr 15:48, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I will have a look in the next time. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:05, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Shall we read untill aphorism 50 for saturday? If you don't have enough time, than we can also read it before next saturday. The topic for this saturday could be what we can do with our reading group. I am a bit ill with a headache, so reading a text will not be a good idea today. I will do some work on the organization on Wikipedia and Wikiversity, so we have some framework where we can fit in. yesterday, i hardly did a thing and i really get bored with my job. Hope to get another job soon.--Daanschr 09:40, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Hope you get better soon. Well, I will try until 50 - we can also do some framework discussion. Let's just see on Friday again ok ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:08, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay!Daanschr 20:49, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I have read the text and will be to chat this evening. However, i have a guest, so my time is limited. Tomorrow will also be a busy day, but i think we can have some time to chat.Daanschr 08:55, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I did not read the text yet. How about Sunday for the text and today some framework discussion what you proposed ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 15:48, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay. I am a bit tired now, so i will chill for an hour. Will go on chat on 19.00u, or when you got time.--Daanschr 17:10, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, i am making a very wrong impression now. Promising something and doesn't live to it. I don't know why i forgot. I'm sorry.--Daanschr 20:23, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

Book I:24-50
Hi, just finished the above. I must say 25 aphorisms is a good number for reading. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 14:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, i agree with that.
 * I got a new idea: Structure and weekly mandatory edits are not needed. It will probably be learned people who will be part of a reading group. For learned people it is not nice to come with a childish mandatory edit policy. Furthermore, it is an effort to read a book. so, people who are part of a reading group and read books, will have enough discipline and don't need an extra mandatory policy for making edits.--Daanschr 21:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, someone who is interested will read from alone. But I would like to keep the regular meetings. Reason: at the moment I am pursuing 2 paths:
 * a. reading the Kagan book
 * b. reading the Thucydides together with you.
 * So I am repeating with b. again what I read in a. after some time. And I guess the memorizing effect will take effect so better. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 22:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Damn it, I just see, I missed you in IRC :-( Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 22:55, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

When do you have time to meet again to discuss the book? I have some sporadic free time between work and social appointments the coming days. In the weekend i have some time, though i have to by some presents for Sinterklaas (Dutch celebration) and celebrate it on sunday evening.--Daanschr 20:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, on weekend would be good, besides that you can try to catch me at #thucydides :-) Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 21:15, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * We could go to the general english chat box first and than move over to Thucydides. That way we can chat a while with the others before we meet eachother.--Daanschr 10:32, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * No Problem, I am there. See you, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:54, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello again
Hi Erkan, i was wondering , the brythonic celtic languages division is quite ... large ... now especcially the Cornish section. I was wondering if it could be included on the Major Departments page on "browse". it would help more people come and see our division. It shouldnt be the full name, just Celtic Languages: Brythonic. And a link, i was going to do it myself (after asking) but after research i found it wasnt possible to do that , i was going to use this picture , as i cannot see anything else to repreent celts on Wikiversity Thanks --TheElvenLord 13:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As I can see on the browse page is already listed School:Language and literature where people can find the pages you talk about. E.g. on the top of Wikiversity_talk:Browse you can see what a goal of the browse page is: a short list that helps users (especially new ones) to find what they want. And I assume when people come here with the intention to find info on Celtic/Cornish/Brythonic they might click on School:Language and literature.
 * You must see like this: if in the future others also extend their language pages then they also will have the same request (or from e.g. mathematics special sections) and then the Browse page could get longer/confusing. And then we need for the browse page a browse page.
 * BTW: if someone wants to find something easiyl it can also be used the search function. So, I think better not. But again: this is a wiki you can ask in the Colloquium what others think on this subject. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 13:33, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Simulated Vandal
Hi Erkan, I am a simulated vandal. A twelve to fourteen year scout/offspring who has been shown simple metal foundry techniqes and is now anxious to share them with as many buddies world wide as possible. So, I now point out that I am allowed to use the site anonymously (It is suspected that parent/guardian who has been training/mentoring/coaching me would not approve of releasing this fascinating technology to my buddies at large on the Terran Grid.)  Alternatively, I am an apprentice metal worker who assists a relative with aluminum casting. I saw a one page engineering report from a tourist Professional Engineer a few years back. Might go find the link again via google. Might be inspirational for some. I was impressed. Adios Amigo! 71.161.21.39 03:44, 25 November 2007 (UTC) user:mirwin

Simulated Vandal
Hi Erkan, I am a simulated vandal. A twelve to fourteen year scout/offspring who has been shown simple metal foundry techniqes and is now anxious to share them with as many buddies world wide as possible. So, I now point out that I am allowed to use the site anonymously (It is suspected that parent/guardian who has been training/mentoring/coaching me would not approve of releasing this fascinating technology to my buddies at large on the Terran Grid.)  Alternatively, I am an apprentice metal worker who assists a relative with aluminum casting. I saw a one page engineering report from a tourist Professional Engineer a few years back. Might go find the link again via google. Might be inspirational for some. I was impressed. Adios Amigo! 71.161.21.39 03:46, 25 November 2007 (UTC) user:mirwin

Albanian Territories of Balkans
Hi Erkan. Perhaps you are up-to-date with the history of this page. It was tagged both with copyvio and hangon; then an IP-user blanked it last night. Do you know anything about the background to this issue? --McCormack 07:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Good morning, I reverted the IP's edit now. As it seems there is a lot of "controversion" on that page. When there is time, I will have a look on the page itself. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 07:32, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi
Hi Erkan Yilmaz, mir geht es gut und dir ? Karl1263 talking
 * Ich habe grade etwas Kopfweh - das geht aber auch vorbei, spätestens morgen. :-) Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:46, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

portuguese wikiversity (thanks!)
I didn't know about the portuguese wkiversity project, it's only a project but i believe it'll be a real wikiversity on a near future! Thank's for tell me that good information, it was what i was looking for! keep in touch!

--dmf 22:39, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

HEY!
Hey no deleting userpages nor usertalkpages because the page you deleted was important because I was only inviting people to the long abandoned Wiki the Milipedia. That Wiki is powered by MediaWiki but I invited people there to have them help me out there.(76.247.222.101 08:13, 1 December 2007 (UTC))
 * Hello unknown user: did you see what I deleted ? I wrote not on your talk page, but on your user page. When I noticed that I wrote it on the user page, I deleted the user page (where no edit was done besides mine) and moved my question to your talk page. You can ask anytime a custodian for Request custodian action to have a look at this if you like.
 * BTW: on what basis did you select the people whom you wrote ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 08:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

I wrote to those guys to invited As many users I could find to help out at the Milipedia. The Milipedia is rarely edited and it looks abandoned due to nobody edits there for a long time. I tried to get people to help me edit there but then I don't know if people ever read my invitations.(76.247.222.101 08:42, 1 December 2007 (UTC))
 * I understand your intentions, but wouldn't it be better to place your request on a central place (which also is about the content you intend to happen) instead flooding people (who might not perhaps be interested in it - then it could be regarded as spam). If you put it in a place according to the topic the chances are higher you "catch" the correct people - if they want to join of course. Also this helps you because then you can use the won extra time to think about some other strategies for milipedia itself. Do you have any assumptions, why milipedia is not so much edited ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 09:03, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Yesterday
Hi Erkan,

I was very sleepy this weekend. Had to buy the presents yesterday afternoon and than celebrated Sinterklaas starting 3 o'clock. Couldn't be online. Perhaps it would be better to meet on a specific time, otherwise we will keep avoiding eachother. Otherwise, we could also ask some other people to join, so there will always be someone to discuss about Thucydides. With only the two of us, we will always have to be both online to make a discussion possible.--Daanschr 09:41, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello Daanschr, I hope you had a good time anyways. Don't have bad feelings about me. But we can for sure make certain dates. In general Saturdays or Sundays is a good time - and there specially in the morning times. You know the story with the early bird, that catches a worm.
 * As said earlier I see this as a longterm project (1-2 years), so there is not so much hurry :-)
 * Attract others: Well, let just google index the new pages and it will come or when some other history interested person joins WV. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:26, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I am a bit tired last weeks, probably because i am in my first fulltime job, or something. So, i don't know if i will be up early enough. We could discuss on Wikipedia. The immediate cause of the Peloponnesian War with Corinth and Corfu could be discussed there and than we immediately try to improve the subsequent articles. If people join our discussion than we can invite them to our reading group on Wikiversity. If we gain people that way, than after a while we could have enough participants for weekend chats to be non-dependent on setting a time.--Daanschr 18:14, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's talk about this at the next meeting ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

OkayDaanschr 19:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Bit busy
Hi Erkan,

I am a bit busy this weekend. I don't know when i will be online. Especially saturday will be difficult starting in the morning. You can discuss Thucydides with Anne. I really enjoyed reading it.--Daanschr 12:23, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think Sundance is still ill. But it is ok, since I can continue then reading Kagan a little bit. See you soon, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:58, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, i do have time. But i can't be online most of the time.--Daanschr 18:27, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, there is anyway plenty of time. We have no certain end time. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Ping
Sorry, I was elsewhere. Yes, I'd very much like to help you to make the Mughal India article worthy for this project. Just tell me where to begin. Aditya Kabir 16:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, one possibility could be to delete all and start from fresh. If User Uditk loggs in, I am sure (s)he will join.
 * Also you could find others (here or in your city/region) who would join. But nevertheless, if you start, in the future someone will extend it. Where you should begin, depends what you want. This I can't tell you. My and your goal may be different. Just be bold. Do you have any experience with wiki ? I will add the standard welcome msg to your user page also. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:04, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Reading group
Erkan,

Shall we meet after you read the next pages?

Sorry about the anecdote about the father of a friend of mine. I thought of it as a strange story. Probably needed to talk about it.Daanschr 18:34, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely, I will also inform Sundance. I am not sure, when I will read the pages (51 to 75 from book 1 of Thucydides) this week. See you soon, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 19:08, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * She is available again, perhaps she has also some time now. Unfortunately I did not read the pages yet, but we can definitely aim for a meeting on weekend - what do you say ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 07:38, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds cool! I will be cleaning up the house big time, because i will probably be moving to another house next week. Didn't heard from it yet though. I am number two on the list and number one didn't show to claim the house. He could still claim untill this week.--Daanschr 09:22, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, so many changes with you, job, house, ... :-)
 * OK, I hope Sundance can also join. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

That IP user
Hi Erkan. I'm watching you modify that IP user's talk page again. I had a close look at it earlier this morning, and decided that the best policy was to leave the page blank. I know it's a "nice" thing to have the welcome and other messages there. On the other hand, he wants the page blank and I think (a) it's his right (talk page) and (b) he'll feel provoked if we change the page and turn into much nastier vandal. What do you think? McCormack 07:05, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Good morning, my intention was to restore that info (about flooding) for the time after the 6-months-block. But I agree to what you said and will empty it again. Let's hope for the best. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 07:34, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I looked at this some more after he was back again this morning. He is still in a 6-month block by JWS who described him as a "multi-wiki vandal", so I guess we can't really make him any worse! The talk page is the only thing he can currently edit because of his block. I came up with the idea of semi-protecting the talk page to stop the obscenities, but I'm not sure if this move is kosher. What do you think? McCormack 06:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if a person really can not do anything more worth with his time, than v.nd.l.z.ng, then there will be always ways to continue such efforts. So, we only so far can hope, that it will stop. We will see after at least 6 months. As I see John is also in favor of semi-protection, so let's try this way for now. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 00:49, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Meeting this weekend
Hi Erkan,

I will post a message on the Topic:Reading groups article on the meeting this weekend. Mike wants to have a certain time to be online. He primarily wants to make his colonization of the moon dream come true, so he is mainly interested in the reading groups and in the Thucydides reading group in order to make Wikiversity a succes and thereby making his dream of a Lunar Town come through thanks to Wikiversity. So, perhaps the time to meet could be for discussing the future of the reading groups instead of discussing Thucydides, which could not be linked to a time.--Daanschr 09:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, futureof RG it is then. I am around. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:29, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Curiosity
The name and the word "Yeager" keeps coming up in print and on DVD: what does it mean [or stand for] in German? The combination "yeager-maister" comes to mind. Thank you, Shir-El too 23:25, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, I assume you mean the German term Jäger (Jaeger)? This means "hunter". And Jägermeister is something to drink, see Wikipedia, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Meeting next sunday
Hi Erkan,

I will be moving to a new home on sunday and will not have internet yet. I will not be able to be around on sunday evening and i don't know when i will be available again. You will have to continue the reading groups with Mike and Sunny for the moment being.--Daanschr 17:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the info. IN case we do not see each other again, have a nice vacation in E.....r, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:36, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey you!
Hey, hey, wassup? ;P I saw de.wv has already added as an interwiki project. $$ErkYil = c$$ ---- (profile|chit chat|email) 16:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice to see you here - we do what we can to help you - dcrochet's bot is already doing much work in interwiki tasks. Have fun also around here, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:02, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Still learning
Hi,

I know I'm a newbie (only been on for two or three days), but why would you redirect Augustine's theory of knowledge while I'm editing it, thus rendering null and void the formatting changes I had worked on?

Mike 22:29, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello Mike, the redirect was done by someone else, though that does not give you yet a satisfying answer. It was redirected because it had a leading "/" - I guess a typo or such ? Normally pages begin not with that and that was the reason.
 * After the redirect I deleted the page /Augustine's Theory of Knowledge, so that it does not stay in the system unneeded.
 * I am sorry for any inconvenience this caused for you. What happens if you go back in your browser ? The data you typed normally should be available (at least with firefox it works). Is there a way that I can make you happy again ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 22:34, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Still learning
I'm not really unhappy about it, though I thank you for your concern... just puzzled. I had put a leading slash in front of the page name to create a subpage of Augustine of Hippo. How should I have done that?

I'm learning as I go along, so this is a good opportunity for me to pick up something new. BTW: how do I find where it now is? Mike 22:40, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It is here now: Augustine's Theory of Knowledge and about how to create subpages you can find here more info: Subpages - in your case it would have been like this: Augustine of Hippo/Augustine's Theory of Knowledge (if you want it to be a subpage of Augustine of Hippo). If you want we can move it there now ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 22:44, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, please. And I just figured out how to reply within this posting. [:-{)  Mike 23:50, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, will do so. And don't worry we all started like this, in a few hours you ar ethe king of wiki editing :-) Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 23:51, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There are now 2 main pages: Augustine of Hippo + Introduction to Augustine of Hippo. Probably you want the latter one as main page ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 00:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually I would like to have an advanced learners page under Augustine of Hippo when I get far enough on the Introduction to Augustine of Hippo. The advanced learners page would also be under Augustine of Hippo. How would you put that together? Mike 00:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you can at any time edit the pages on your own, since I am not quite sure now about what you have in mind also in the future. Pages can be renamed (by moving) at any time. Just be bold.
 * If I understood you want for your learning projects: one for "beginners" and one for "non-beginners" ? if so, both could be linked from one central page. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 00:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try that when I get permission to move pages. And thanks for your time with a newbie!!
 * Anytime again, perhaps we can continue tomorrow, since it is late now here in Germany, bye. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 01:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Permission to move pages
I got your advice on my user page and tried to move a file, but got a special page telling me that I don't have the permission to do that. How do I rectify that? Mike 00:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I remember you have that right after a certain amount of days, I think 3 days it is. Well I will move all your created pages so far as subpage of Augustine of Hippo. Then we have them all together and you can rearrange them as you wish, ok ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 00:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Mike 00:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Botany
I wanted to suggest a botany portal. Later in the guided tour I saw you already have one.Barbara Shack 14:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

New meeting for discussing the future of the reading groups
Hi Erkan,

Shall we meet next weekend on saturday evening 19:00 hour CET? The agenda for the next meeting is a bit of a mess. You could read about it here. I just added new ideas.

I will be online again on wednesday. Untill than i have limited or no access. See you soon :-).--Daanschr 14:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Time is ok for me, how about another session for Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War ? Could be also done on that Saturday ? If both are on the same day, perhaps someone has a peak also there then ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 14:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 * We could do that during the day without scheduling a time and than meet on saturday evening on 19:00 hour for the future of the reading groups. I don´t know yet how busy i will be. I am still on holiday at the moment. I am now in an internet café in Quito, Ecuador.

 * Shall we read aphorisms 51 to 75 again?

 * What is a peak, by the way? :-)--Daanschr 14:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I have been reading until aphorism 100 now, so if it is only us two persons, we can do more. I am also writing to some German persons, who showed interest back then here - unfortunately Sundance seems not to have time - perhaps you could ask her also (BY MAIL) (since 2 requests are better than one :-)).
 * sorry should have been "peek"
 * Ecuador: how is it there ? Anything great what took your attention specifically ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 14:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Could be leaving any time and will be available on wednesday.

 * I liked the jungle the most. I was in a very remote place: within 50 kilomters, we were the only people. Incredible to see a place which is there by chance only, hardly anything arranged by humans. I saw a wild rubber tree and a lot of parrets, but without colours. They were nearly always dark black. There was a family of apes that came seeing us, which is very rare. The first time the guide saw that happening. Normally, animals try to hide for everything, so you only see a lot of trees and some birds. Only one kind of bird is very curious and comes to watch the action whenever there is noise, especially hard noise, the harder the better. All other animals seem to be non-existant, untill you accidentily see one that quickly gets away.

 * I will try to read untill aphorism 100 for saturday. See you than. Don´t have time to email Sunny. Maybe in a few days.--Daanschr 15:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like an interesting vacation. See you Saturday, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Fresh recruits for our army of Thucydides followers would be a swell idea.Daanschr 23:07, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well all 6 languages from WV and also the according WB-languages are informed, let's see the next days what will happen. I am also announcing right now on beta. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 23:10, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, we will see!--Daanschr 23:13, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I can't mail Sunny, according to a message. Probably because i don't have a given email adress on my user account. Perhaps we can reschedule the meeting to ensure that Sunny can be online.

 * A problem is that i don't know if i have an internet connection on saturday. Probably not.--Daanschr 13:09, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, Sunny expressed that she will not find the time in the near future to join us :-(
 * Well, let's see what happens on Saturday. So far no one subscribed, but it might be some drops in this week. If someone else drops in, I would do the meeting on Saturday (?time?). Otherwise we can meet another day. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:08, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I had hoped that the internet connection would work soon after i got home, but it is not the case. I don't know when i will be able to chat in the near future. We will have to wait indefinitely untill i have internet at home. So, we have to freeze the reading groups for a while.--Daanschr 10:58, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I read in a letter that someone will contact me to build a modum in my home.--Daanschr 14:41, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I hope it will work out, if not you can continue with reading :-) Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:37, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

 * The internet provider will come to my home some one and a half weeks from now. So, untill then i will only be online when i work. Though i could end my job soon, because i am applying for a job where people are enthusiastic about me. I could be working as a trainee in document management soon.--Daanschr 15:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's hope he will not postpone it. You should do at your work only work related stuff please. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:36, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Half of my work consists out of doing nothing. I am allowed to be online or to read a book at work. I could even have two jobs at the same time if i wanted it. It may sound pretty rock 'n roll, but it is pretty boring actually. I nearly got a new job though. So, soon i will not be using internet at work anymore for leisure activities.--Daanschr 08:54, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I have the impression that Mike is gone. So, that means that we are the only one's on the reading groups now. Mike could maybe return once i have internet access again.

 * What do you think about my idea to recruit new soldiers :-) on the Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive of Wikipedia? The way to do it would be to join the topic of the week and to discuss with people on the talk pages dedicated to the topic to read some books. We could nominate Ancient Greece or another related topic to get new participants for the Thucydides reading group.--Daanschr 09:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

It seems that the Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive has collapsed. It used to have this attention and now it has been reduced to this. And that while it was supposed to be one of the most important institutions of Wikipedia. Is Wikipedia collapsing?--Daanschr 09:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * will have a look at "Wikipedia:Article Collaboration and Improvement Drive" later. Recruiting: I mean for everything there is a certain time. If no one joins in the near future, we can still continue or ?
 * "...but it is pretty boring actually." -> sorry for being so open now: then the hard truth is you do not know how to use your time :-( There is so much stuff in the world, what we can explore. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:33, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That is true. I think it has mainly to do with a social aspect. I enjoy spending time with people, but i get easily bored when i am doing something for myself. Though, i can sometimes lose myself in a good novel or a good movie. My mind always needs a story or a social occasion.--Daanschr 11:00, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, we can read Thucydides the two of us. I like the book very much.
 * If someone joins who likes to do something extra with the reading groups than we can see that later and otherwise it will not work. There is a critical starting group of enthusiastics needed to make something work, and also some great ideas to come to growth management, something that works. Like Wikipedia that advertised its encyclopedia on several geek sites, which enormously enlarged the amount of participants. Than Wikipedia also got high up on Google thanks to the many links in the articles, that was pure luck. I came at Wikipedia thanks to Google. Both the Reading Groups and Wikiversity don't have the thrill that is needed. Wikiversity has a group of dedicated participants, but it is lacking in growth management, something that can only arise naturally when working with volunteers only.--Daanschr 11:06, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

 * It is normal that Mike and Sunny got lost. People have a tendency of leaving when the thrill is over, it's like parttime love. But, i would like to stay for Thucydides. The reading groups hasn't worked yet. I see it as rolling the dice. Sometimes you roll the six, the more you roll the more chance of rolling the six. Every time i start a new initiative there either can be no reaction or i will meet new people with new ideas. There could be a time in which the right balance of social bonding, good ideas, good structure occurs, and luck. And than an institution is born. Maybe i will be to busy in the future doing something which is not related to doing something with knowledge on the internet.--Daanschr 11:11, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Daan, thanks that you continue with the reading group. So far I will stick to the Thucydides RG for the moment, since it is much to read (with secondary literature). I like the idea that you start new initiatives, surely some synergies can develop from this. About WV: I am sure in the future we will surpass WP, because we have more freedom here, we have a playground. BTW: when should we meet again for the RG? Saturday is ok ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:53, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I will probably get internet next week, so it is not possible for me to be online this weekend.
 * It will be very hard to surpass Wikipedia for Wikiversity, because Wikipedia is more known across the world. Wikiversity has yet to start an initiative which can be appealing to a mass of people or major institutions. That will be a tremendously difficult task. It is more than likely that Wikiversity will die with Wikipedia, if Wikipedia can't survive.--Daanschr 08:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

 * We can do a slow discussion on your talk page. Than next time we can chat again.--Daanschr 09:08, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone showed just interest in joining :-)
 * Today I feel a little tired :-( Will write you again later, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Great news! I hope Pietro will stay.--Daanschr 15:31, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's see :-) Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 11:29, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I still haven't heard anything from the internet provider yet. It could be that i will be working at a new job next week. So, there is a good chance that i will not be online anymore for a while, starting next week.--Daanschr 09:51, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Someone will connect my computer with internet on friday 7:30 in the morning. So, we could make a new appointment for discussing Thucydides on saturday?--Daanschr 13:17, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Saturday sounds good for me. What should we talk about ? aphorisms 50-75 or 75-100 ? both ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:00, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

 * We could do both.--Daanschr 07:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I will update the course page. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 16:42, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

thank you very very very very much
thank you

Thank you!
Thank you for the welcome message! :) Aleta 19:19, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

thanks
thank you for helping with the french page

I couldn't understand what i was doing wrong :) but the alignment is perfect now --Dan4114 22:20, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Last meeting
Hi Erkan,

Sorry for not showing up without saying. I didn't know how to connect internet and i was ill. Now i do have internet at home finally after a month! Large crowd for the discussion. Cool! Was everybody expected?--Daanschr 18:16, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Really liked the recorded chat session. But read it a bit quickly.--Daanschr 18:19, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually only Pietro was expected. During the meeting I invited Dank55, Turelion and Viele-Baeren. And remote was lurking from alone :-)
 * I have found already someone in German Wikipedia also. But he can not speak English, so with him we can do a session in German. What do you say ?
 * I also like the protocol, I hope we can do this from now onwards always. This gives others an impression what we are doing.
 * BTW: nice that you are back again. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:20, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Fully back, i was half present. I hope they will stay. We could do two seesions, one in english and one in german.--Daanschr 18:42, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That is what I hoped - great. I am finding out when Kaese90 wants to meet. I hope Saturday will be ok. What about you ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:51, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

That is fine with me. Shall we read 101 to 125?--Daanschr 19:01, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We didn't officially do 51-100 yet :-) Let's see what the new participants are willing to do. If they do not yet read all, how about talking about some parts again ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 19:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, than we will do that. I got a lot of ideas with the last texts. I was thinking about themes like, how much discipline is needed to make a civilization survive? Would the Greeks in the Athenian Empire be better of if Persia run the show? I don't believe that Sparta was afraid, but why was a majority of the Spartans dead set on warfare? And an aditional one, combining former remarks from earlier on in the text. The representative from Corinth in Sparta was from the pro-Spartan lobby and in Athens from the anti-Spartan lobby. That could be explored.--Daanschr 09:10, 5 February 2008 (UTC)
 * A lot of ideas is good :-) You could write them as topics for the next meeting here. I am primarily interested in discussing the original text - these questions can help engage discussion.
 * BTW: Kaese90 does not have time for this Saturday. I must ask also Pietro. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 06:49, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * So, the German discussion will have to wait for another time, but we can at least do the english discussion.--Daanschr 08:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Definitely. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:07, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikimedian Demographics update
Hello Erkan Yilmaz. I'm writing because you requested a reminder about progress on Wikimedian Demographics. For the time being these will be about once per month.

Speaking of reminders, it turns out the template question isn't the most efficient way of coming up with a mailing list. If you want to recieve this message on another of your talk pages (or don't want them at all), please edit the list on Wikimedian Demographics/Reminders.

To update on progress so far, there have been somewhere around 50 respondents over the past month, with more trickling in slowly but steadily. There are 7 major surveys (or 12, depending on how you count them):
 * 1) The basic survey (about your participation in Wikimedia)
 * 2) The "geography" surveys (actually 6 of those, for each inhabited continent)
 * 3) The Operating System survey (still stubby)
 * 4) The Wikipedia survey
 * 5) The Commons survey
 * 6) The US presidential elections survey
 * 7) The sexuality and relationships survey

Only the geography surveys have had any major modifications since being originally posted (more countries were added to those).

Several new surveys have been discussed at Talk:Wikimedian Demographics, as well as other places within Wikiversity. A few that might be ready sometime in February include:
 * A survey about Women in Wikimedia
 * A survey about Wikibooks
 * A survey about Wikiversity
 * A survey about administrative issues (including cross-wiki topics such as CheckUser and "global blocking")
 * A survey about environmental issues
 * A survey about religion
 * A survey about international trade

If you have ideas for more surveys, please share them on Talk:Wikimedian Demographics. Thanks for your participation thus far, and we hope to see you soon! --SB_Johnny | talk 11:53, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Ideas for making the Thucydides reading group a bit better
Hi Erkan,

You seemed to dislike the lack of debate on topic. I have figured out a few solutions for this problem. You wanted to have an agenda, which will be good, but i don't think it will be enough. It must be taken into consideration that those who join the conversation don't always read the text and thereby will either say nothing, or start talking off topic.

Possible solutions:
 * Trying to stimulate that everybody reads the text.
 * This can be done by asking everybody to specificly figure a point or two about the text, he or she wants to talk about.
 * Another way could be that we have chariman for every meeting, who will keep track of the agenda and will decide to move to the next point. The chairman will begin and end the meeting. If everybody is chairman in rotating fashion, than a sense of responsibility could emerge to discuss on topic.
 * Suppose it doesn't work.
 * We could have two kinds of meetings, one level one meeting, for all those interested and open for everybody and a level two meeting which will be with an inner crowd of those who will always read the text.--Daanschr 17:33, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Allthough, perhaps only an agenda would be good enough. We have lots of time, so no need to rush. I really enjoyed myself today, so why a need for change.:-)--Daanschr 18:21, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * copied it here, so more people in the future will see it, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 19:02, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Okay. And what do you think about it? Shall we only do the agenda for the moment and see how it will be?--Daanschr 19:13, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * replied there, before I saw this question - lets talk there ok ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 19:15, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I was a bit too quick. ;-) --Daanschr 19:17, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

custodianship
No, I have not heard anything yet. What needs to be done? --mikeu talk 19:17, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Well they need to be informed, seems they ar enot here so often :-( I have informed Sebmol at German WP - normally he acts fast. If not you could also write to Cormac (the other bureaucrat).
 * BTW: how was the red moon ? Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  19:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

thankyou for the welcome =)
cheers lucychili 13:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I am happy when you are happy :-) As I see you are already in communication with Wikiversity participants. Have fun, Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  17:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Problems with the meeting next week
Erkan,

I will be gone on both saturday and sunday next week. Sunday could give the best chances for a meeting. Perhaps late in the evening? Otherwise, you and Pietro can discuss the text next week.--Daanschr 16:27, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * When on Sunday evening would you have time ? Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  16:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

It will be late. 10 o'clock? I guess it is better if you and Pietro meet next week.--Daanschr 18:47, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * thx for the info I will ask him - let's see what the others say. BTW: what came up ? Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  19:50, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

On saturday 15th, i will probably go to a carreer conference (carrierebeurs). And the next day i will walk with friends to practise for a walking holiday in Scotland in the summer.--Daanschr 13:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah the walking holiday - sounds really intensive when you are already training. Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  18:12, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it is. We will walk with our cloths and food on our backs. And it is though hilly landscape.--Daanschr 21:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I just say: wow + good luck. Nice having meat you, if you don't survive :-) Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  21:16, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Well, it is also fun to spend time with friends.Daanschr 21:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Of course :-) Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  21:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

In Holland we could say, een echte bikkel heeft een snikkel, but i don't know how to translate that in english or german.Daanschr 08:20, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
 * :-) Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  16:50, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Merhaba
Merhaba Mskyrider, Vikiversiteye hosgeldin. Istersen burada biraz daha bilgi alabilirsin, Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  19:47, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Merhaba ! --Mskyrider 19:49, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * :-) Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  19:59, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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Instructional design/User testing of e-learning courses/Course Summary

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User Testing of E-learning Courses
In this course, you learned how to describe the role formative evaluation plays in the ADDIE model, as well as the role user testing plays in the development of an e-learning course. In addition, you learned how to create a user testing plan for an e-learning course and how to conduct the test. Finally, you learned how to analyze the results of the user test.

This isn't all there is to conducting a User Test. After analyzing the results of the test, there are several more steps that you'll need to go through. These steps, preparing a report and implementing your findings, are described briefly in this lesson's "Next Steps" topic.

The "Resources" topic provides you with a comprehensive list of all the .... presented in this course.

Lesson Topics
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Module Overview
One of the good practices of instructional design is the tryout of learning experiences prior to full deployment to the target audience. Yet, with tight schedules, global distribution of learners, nonaccessibility of the target audience, and other barriers, training designers often skip or minimize this critical quality assurance step. Furthermore, with e-learning solutions, designers not only need to assess the efficacy of their instruction, but also the quality and performance of the systems that deliver the instruction.

When conducting a formative evaluation of e-learning solutions, training designers must be able to generate a plan that blends instructional objectives, user testing, software quality assurance, and the overall user experience. In other words, designers must incorporate the good practices from the instructional field and the good practices from the software field to ensure the quality of their solutions.

This module will introduce the concept of formative evaluations and why conducting them is a good practice when designing e-learning. “Formative” means to shape or transform and formative evaluations should be conducted at regular review intervals during the development cycle.

“User Testing” is a specific type of formative evaluation that occurs at the end of the development cycle. Building on the “what and why” of formative evaluation, the instruction will provide information on how to develop an evaluation plan for “User Testing,” as well as how to set up and conduct the evaluation plan.

Finally, guidance on how to analyze the results of a User Test will be provided.

Module Goal
Upon completion of this module, instructional designers or other training professionals who have designed an e-learning module or lesson will be able to conduct a formative evaluation (in the form of User Testing) of the learning experience. The result shall be a list of recommendations for enhancing and improving the learning experience.

(Please note that for the purposes of this module, “e-learning” is limited to web-based, self-paced, asynchronous instruction.)

Module Objectives
Upon completion of this module, you will be able to:
 * Describe the role formative evaluation plays in the ADDIE model
 * Describe the role user testing plays in the instructional design development process
 * Create a user testing plan for the e-learning course
 * Conduct user testing on the e-learning course
 * Analyze qualitative results, given the findings of a user test of an e-learning course

Module Lessons
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 * 1) Formative Evaluation Overview
 * 2) Review Evaluation Plan
 * 3) Conducting User Testing
 * 4) Analyzing the Results
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Instructional design/User testing of e-learning courses/Course Introduction

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Overview
In this lesson, you'll learn about how formative evaluations fit into the "E" of ADDIE. The ADDIE instructional systems design model uses formative evaluation throughout its life cycle, not just at the end as a final evaluation. “Formative” means to shape or transform; it should be conducted at regular review intervals during the development cycle. “User Testing” is a specific type of formative evaluation that occurs at the end of the development cycle.

Objectives
Upon completion of this lesson, you will be able to:
 * Describe Formative Evaluation
 * List different stages and examples of Formative Evaluation

Lesson Topics
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Overview
In this lesson, you learn about “User Testing” as a type of formative evaluation and the role it plays in the instructional design development process.

The development phase ADDIE_Model creates instructional items and processes that were designed in the design phase. For example, in the development stage, technologies are integrated and debugging procedures test instruction. Review and revisions are integrated according to feedback in this stage as well. User Testing is a specific type of formative evaluation that occurs at the end of the development cycle.

Objectives
Upon completion of this lesson, you will be able to:
 * Explain what user testing is
 * Explain why to use it
 * List user testing concepts
 * List user testing procedures

Lesson Topics
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Objectives
Upon completion of this lesson, you will be able to:
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Lesson Topics
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Before You Begin

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ADDIE ISD Model
The ADDIE model ADDIE_Model, an instructional systems design model, is the generic process traditionally used by instructional designers and training developers. The five phases—Analysis, Design, Development, Implementation, and Evaluation—represent a dynamic, flexible guideline for building effective training and performance support tools.

Formative and Summative Evaluation
Evaluation ADDIE_Model in the ADDIE model consists of two parts: formative and summative.

Formative evaluation should be conducted at regular intervals throughout the ADDIE process. Formative evaluation is like a check and balance system throughout the entire ADDIE model. User testing is a kind of formative evaluation that occurs at the end of the development cycle.

Summative evaluation is different from formative evaluation. Summative evaluation, conducted at the conclusion of instruction, measures how well the major outcomes of a course reflect its objectives. Summative evaluation is like the final grade or score of the instruction. Phonebein 17:39, 6 April 2008 (UTC) You might consider trying to find an analogy to differentiate these two types of evaluation -- in other words, a micro instructional strategy. I think it was Scriven (who coined formative and summative) who used a "cook" analogy to distinguish these two evaluation forms. See what you can come up with. This is all a bit too "clinical" and needs to be lightened up.

Formative Evaluation in the ADDIE Model
Knitting your ADDIE model together? Remember to weave in your formative evaluation thread. Formative evaluation is an important process that is conducted throughout the ADDIE instructional model. Formative evaluation is a way to check the status of the analysis, design, development, implementation and evaluation stages. Ongoing formative evaluation in the form of surveys, interviews, observations and records helps inform changes to instruction in all stages. The basic instructional design model of ADDIE helps structure e-learning courses, and formative evaluation needs to be conducted regularly to create instruction that is effective, efficient and appealing. Formative instruction is conducted at regular review intervals especially during the development cycle.

Planning in Formative Evaluation
The purpose of every formative evaluation, regardless of context or curriculum, is to validate the instructional design and strategies to ensure the instructional objectives are being met. Morrison, et al's chart below outlines some critical questions to ask in the formative evaluation planning component. In Lesson 3, you will see a user testing plan as an example of formative evaluation planning.

From: Morrison, G.R., Ross, S.M. & Kemp, J.E. (2004). Designing Effective Instruction. (4th ed.) New York: John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

Stages & Examples of Formative Evaluation
Dick and Carey (1991) talk about how formative evaluation differs throughout the ISD process. Dick and Carey have a three stage model that gives a good idea about formative evaluation in the development cycle. In these stages, examples of formative evaluation are used such as observations, interviews, surveys, and records.

In Stage 1, one-to-one trials, the designers test out instruction with individual learners through observation, survey, and/or interview. This is at the beginning of the development process to try out instruction and to identify the impression of the instruction on the learner. In the case of user testing in an e-Learning course, this stage can be conducted with asynchronous interveiws to collect user comments (link to Tracy's result example) and a worksheet survey (link to Christine's worksheet for user testing) creating records for analysis.

In Stage 2, small-group trials, the designers test out a preliminary or draft version (BETA version) with small groups (8-20) to observe and measure attitudes and performance to identify strenths and weaknesses of instruction. In case of user testing in an e-Learning course, this stage can be conducted with as a synchronous observation in a computer lab (insert side photo with caption "User Testing in a Computer Lab with Two way Mirrors) with a two way mirror separating the participants from the observers. Webcams (insert photo of user/tester at computer terminal with webcam as central focus; caption.) can also be set up for an asynchronous review of user performance.

In Stage 3, field trials, the designers test out a completed version of the instruction on the actual learners to assess the implementation of instruction to measure performance and attitudes. While user testing is conducted before a final version is implemented, fast prototyping development could push the user testing onto implementation in the form of a synchronous Webex observation (link to Webex demo).

Dick,W., & Carey, L. (1991). The systematic design of instruction (2nd ed.). New York: Harper-Collins.

Phonebein 17:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC) I have no clue what you want me to do now. Self-instruction has to have very clear instructions to the learner, since control of the course rests with the learner -- you need to state specifically what you want the learner to do. Also, look at what the other groups are doing in terms of sequential navigation, and perhaps steal their ideas/implementations.

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Concepts
To best understand the different terms used in user testing, we need to look at the whole process of formative evaluation in the development stage and identify some frequently-used, key terms to help you understand the process of user testing.

Scenario
The following presents a typical scenario as a basic process of formative evaluation culminating in user testing, also know as BETA testing or usability testing. This user testing component is done before implementation for instructional use.

 * Preliminary Design & Subject Matter Expert Feedback
 * After a preliminary design is created, it is sent to key subject matter experts (SME)Subject_matter_expert for review and feedback.

 * Storyboard Revision
 * This feedback is used to revise the storyboard Storyboarding.

 * Prototype Development
 * Next, a prototype Prototype is developed, providing another opportunities for feedback and correction.

 * Alpha Version
 * After the changes are made, the prototype is now considered an Alpha version Alpha_version where the instruction is fully developed and ready for testing by the SMEs and client.

 * Beta Version
 * Changes to the Alpha version gives rise to a BETA version which also known as user testing or usability test. Here users with no history in previous testing of the course and have similar characteristics of the target learner, complete the instruction and provide feedback.

 * Implementation
 * After more revision, the instructional product is implemented. For implementation strategies and steps, we provide a list of "Next Steps" at the end of this course.

Phonebein 17:49, 6 April 2008 (UTC) Think micro instructional strategy here. You have lots of text. Think hard about how you could make this text more visual -- that is, accommodate other learning styles.

As the design of the course progresses, the concentration of the testing moves from content specifics to implementation and achievement of instructional strategies and verifying the objectives have been met.

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{In the ADDIE model, formative evaluation occurs + regularly throughout the model. - only during the evaluation stage. - only in the development stage.
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{Forming interview or worksheet questions that ask about the reliability is an example of + quality assurance. - correct information. - correct strategy implementation.
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{A beta review is conducted - before the prototype is made. + after the alpha review. - as the first milestone of the formative evaluation process.
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{User testing set up requires: - no SMEs. + identification of any SMEs, the participants, the instructional materials, and equipment. - a computer test lab only.
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Knowledge Check 1
Read the following questions about the elements of an evaluation plan and select the best answer. When you are finished making your selection, click the "Submit" button.

{The audience in a plan consists of: - Learners of the instruction - SMEs - Designers + Recipients of the analysis report
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{The evidence a user test generates answers the questions brought up in the plans' issues section. + True - False
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{A user test is always conducted. - True + False
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{Data gathering techniques include: - Observation - Interviews - Questionnaires + All of the above
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{The presentation of the analysis of the evidence collected is moving towards: - Graphs and Tester comments - Frequency Diagrams - Descriptive techniques and Frequency Distributions + Tester comments and Descriptive techniques
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Knowledge Check 1
List the 10 steps of conducting a user test below. { { Introduce yourself. (i)|Introduce yourself (i) _21 }
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{ { Describe the purpose of the observation and set the participant at ease. (i)|Describe the purpose of the observation and set the participant at ease (i) _74 }
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{ { Ask if there are any questions before you start; then begin the observation. (i)|Ask if there are any questions before you start; then begin the observation (i) _78 }
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{ { Describe the task. At this point, you or a volunteer will hand the task description documents (readme files, forms to fill out, etc., to the evaluators). (i)|Describe the task. At this point, you or a volunteer will hand the task description documents (readme files, forms to fill out, etc., to the evaluators) (i) _155 }
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{ { Conclude the observation. (i)|Conclude the observation (i) _27 }
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Knowledge Check 2
Read the following scenario introducing the user test you will be performing for this knowledge check.

Hi, my name's Joann and I will be your contact during this self-paced user test. The purpose of this user test is to test your attitudes and the usability regarding the 'Introduction to the Psychomotor Behaviors' lesson. What does this mean to you? I'd like you to go through the lesson and read the text, click on the links, take the activities and learning activity. The learning activity is not being graded. I encourage you document everything you're thinking, both the good and bad. If something is confusing, say it's confusing. If you like a particular scenario or the way the information is displayed, say that also. Since this is self-paced and taken without an observer, you option to ask question is via e-mail or a phone call. Please remember I'm unable to help you through the evaluation but can answer generic informational questions.

This is a one page lesson with tables, images, and a learning activity. As you're testing the lesson, please print out and complete the attached evaluation form. You can send me your evaluation via the company's internal mail system. Be sure to write down what happens while you're testing, thoughts, comments, screen prints, and anything else you would like known about the lesson.

To conduct this test, please open the following documents and then click on lesson link. Please remember to complete the time you start/stop and your name in case we need to contact you for clarification.

Thank you for your participation in this user test.

Here's your chance to perform a user test on an e-learning page. This test will take about 10-15 minutes.

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To conduct this test, please perform the following:

Step 1: Print the User Test Evaluation Document to complete during your test: [[media:User_Evaluation_Form2.pdf|Blank User Testing Form]]

Step 2: Open the Wikiversity page by holding the SHIFT key down at the same time you click on the link making the page open in a new browser window:

Step 3: Conduct a user test on the Introduction to the Psychomotor Behaviors Wikiversity page. Write all your comments on the blank document and complete tester questionnaire.

Step 4: Once you've completed your evaluation, open this completed document to compare your results. Completed User Evaluation Form

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Electronics Fundamentals/Lecture Resistors and Ohms law

The Electronic Circuit
Every electronic circuit has 2 basic parts and can be eventually broken down to these 2 parts. The power supply V1, and the load R1, in this example. We have many different measurements, feet, inches, centimeters, meters, miles, kilometers, liters, cups, ounces, grams, pounds. In this lecture we will teach you the basic measurements for electronics Volts, Amps, Ohms, Watts, Frequency, Farads, Henrys, Gaussen, Telsas. Lets start with Volts, Amps, Watts.

Watts law
You are all familiar with the light bulb. In the basic household circuit your fuse box is the power supply, and the light bulb is the load, or V1 and R1 in our schematic.

Given Watts law you can figure out many other measurements based on this.

$$V\times I=W\!$$ or  $$W/I=V\!$$  or  $$W/V=I\!$$

Which now gives you the ability to derive Volts, Watts or Amps from any of the other 2. todo switch circuit using household wiring diagrams

Lets say the bulbs wattage is 60W. Lets also say that we are in north America and the standard is 120Volts. Given the above we can find the current draw or AMPs drawn by the lamp. I is current V is voltage W is wattage. The resulting equation is $$W/V=I\!$$ or $$60W/120V=.5A\!$$ TODO practical justification for where this is used TODO more examples sovle for watts  solve for volts  practial resons why these are needed TODO 6 practice problems 2 for each equation and hidden answers

Ohms Law
Ohm's law applies to electrical circuits; it states that the current through a conductor between two points is directly proportional to the potential difference (i.e. voltage drop or voltage) across the two points, and inversely proportional to the resistance(Ohms) between them. the symbol for ohm is $$\Omega \!$$ and the equation is $$V = I \times R\!$$ So now lets figure out the resistance of our 60W bulb. We have already figured the current flowing thrue the bulb, and we already knew that we have 120V and a 60W bulb at 120V. we know the voltage and we know the current so we need to alter the equation a little. $$\cfrac{120Volts}{.5Amps} = R\!$$ Which gets us.

$$\cfrac{120Volts}{.5Amps} = 240\Omega\!$$ As shown here, it is best to quote wattage requirements and voltage drop requirements on a resistor for all devices. To much info is never a problem, a lack of information will cost time and money, if someone suddenly needs it. TODO practical justification for where this is used TODO more examples solve for watts  solve for volts  practical reasons why these are needed TODO 6 practice problems 2 for each equation and hidden answers

The Resistor
A resistor is a passive two-terminal electrical component that implements electrical resistance as a circuit element. The current through a resistor is in direct proportion to the voltage across the resistor's terminals. Thus, the ratio of the voltage applied across a resistor's terminals to the intensity of current through the circuit is called resistance.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resistor#Series_and_parallel_resistors as of 03-27-2012

Resistors in Series
In a series configuration, the current through all of the resistors is the same, but the voltage across each resistor will be in proportion to its resistance. The potential difference (voltage) seen across the network is the sum of those voltages, thus the total resistance can be found as the sum of those resistances:
 * [[Image:resistors in series.svg|A diagram of several resistors, connected end to end, with the same amount of current going through each]]

R_\mathrm{eq} = R_1 + R_2 + \cdots + R_n $$

As a special case, the resistance of N resistors connected in series, each of the same resistance R, is given by NR.

Resistors in parallel
Resistors in a parallel configuration are each subject to the same potential difference (voltage), however the currents through them add. The conductances of the resistors then add to determine the conductance of the network. Thus the equivalent resistance (Req) of the network can be computed:
 * [[Image:resistors in parallel.svg|A diagram of several resistors, side by side, both leads of each connected to the same wires]]

\frac{1}{R_\mathrm{eq}} = \frac{1}{R_1} + \frac{1}{R_2} + \cdots + \frac{1}{R_n} $$

The parallel equivalent resistance can be represented in equations by two vertical lines "||" (as in geometry) as a simplified notation. Occasionally two slashes "//" are used instead of "||", in case the keyboard or font lacks the vertical line symbol. For the case of two resistors in parallel, this can be calculated using:

R_\mathrm{eq} = R_1 \| R_2 = {R_1 R_2 \over R_1 + R_2} $$


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