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User talk:Daanschr

Nietzsche
Hi Daanschr I've never taken a philosophy course but have read and debate many philosophical topics. I've put up a first lesson in the Nietzsche Department Nietzsche Name Game please feel free to contribute. I like your point about the importance of debate and the impossibility of a Neutral Point of View. You should definitely convert this Wikipedia article into a learning project here at Wikiversity. Mystictim 18:00, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Learning to learn a wiki way
Hi Daanschr I've updated the Learning to learn a wiki way project page and kicked of the talk section. I've begun recruiting people by asking them why they are interested in the project and what they want from the project. Could you help out with invitations to your contacts. Mystictim 00:36, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Retreat?
Hi Daanschr, I saw this - I hope you're not going to leave the English Wikiversity simply because of a difference of opinion with one (or perhaps a few) user(s)? It would be a shame if this were the case. Perhaps you would care to refine your thoughts into divergent materials, each of which look at a particular story or point of view. Then you could start to develop a course that looks at each viewpoint and raises deep questions about the world, religion, power, war etc.. Or perhaps start a joint learning project where you can each identify your goals and use the debate as a part of the learning process? What do you think? Cormaggio talk 11:23, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

 * I regard StuRat's opinion as illegal. I don't agree that the opinion of an extremist, making hatespeeches against a whole nation to justify large scale abuses of human rights should be tolerated by a website or institution of which i am part of. StuRat has made suggestions about the treatment of Iraninians and Palestinians which are, i think, illegal according to Dutch and European law. The only way to deal with this sort of extremism is social exclusion and criminalisation in my opinion.--Daanschr 14:01, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Invitation to join a reading club
Hello Daanschr, I was wondering if you are going to write this to many users ? As I see in the Colloquium this was not finished talking about or ? People interested in this could find it about an announcement in the Colloquium, don't you think ? Wouldn't it also be better to use the Mediawiki:Sitenotice for this ? then users who login see this Sitenotice. Or post an entry at Announcements. Instead now flooding the Wikiversity, we could start slow and when we see there is not so much reaction, we could think of other means. What do you say ? Erkan Yilmaz ( talk ?, wiki blog ) 09:42, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

ping
Hi, I am in #wikiversity-en ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 11:23, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Reading Club
Daanschr, sorry to take so long to respond to your invitation. I am not big on Social Sciences but if something were proposed related to social dynamics of small isolated groups I could participate at this time. Mirwin 23:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Daanschr, an update, I found an excellent prospect for a book for our reading project.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age  I am going to look for proper places to add it into your reading club directory now.  Then I have to figure out how to purchase it.  I am still buoycotting Amazon.com over their silly one push button patent so I will probably stop by a local bookseller next week and order it.  Probably take a few weeks before I can start reading but I think it is important to help local merchants survive.  I live in an economically depressed rural area and we keeping losing our new and used bookstores.  Mirwin 01:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I have paid for the book and it is antipated by mail a week from this friday .. that would be ... today is tuesday 22Nov07 so plus wednesday,thursday,friday would be 25 and 7 for 32 December 07. Eureka! Holiday no delivery till Jan 2 earliest ... if that is on saturday ... mail will be running on monday so .... I expected arrival on the 4 Jan 2008 plus or minus a couple of days according to aggreement with local bookcycler (she is my supplier of used books as well and buyback profitable or remarketable used books). Same delay as for weekend so expected delivery is still Fourth Jan, 2008. I agree with you lets each enjoy the book in our own way entirely first and then we can discuss our thought regarding the author's efforts and how they impacted our previous understanding with the living universe all around us. So unless I hear back I figure we got an agreed approach in will I should be able to meet my committment to start reading by 4 Jan 2008 and I am usually quick reader when interested. Been long time since I have been in a book reading club ... in fact I think it was literature classes in College about two decades ago so I should have no longer generating motivation to get finished within two weeks. I intend to be done and substantially closed out with this book reading adventure by NLT Feb, 2008. Those are my mile stones that I intend to keep to myself. If you choose to set your some specific metrics I would be happy to hear about them and work together so we both accomplish all of our individual and mutual overlapping intentions to the extent feasible given unavoidable external influences. Thanks! Mirwin 23:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Daanschr, I somehow erroniouslly incremented a month in the above. I have completed reading The Diamond Club.  I am prepared to discuss or file a book report in whatever form you think most advantageous to showing activity at the Reading Club portal.  Briefly, I was very disappointed.  Stephensen did a good job of world building but never really addressed issues involved with computerised self study or isolation that I hoped he would.  The exploration of social issues involved with advanced computerization and nanotech seemed very shallow and cookie cutterish.   Almost a luddite or fear the machine anti tech presentation.   I hope you got/get more out of it than I did.  Prose is always good and enjoyable reading although some of the imagery was a bit shocking or distasteful at times.  Then the book ends with little or no plot resolution!  We find out who somebody is, nanotech is majick.  A war wanders by, a sovereign wanders off.  Vague hint of a happy ever after or we will survive together, nothing more.  I would not now recommend the book to anyone.  Considering that I proposed it, if you have not already started on it, you are welcome to skip it!  lol  Let me know what you decide.  P.S.  I will have to review the summary at Wikipedia to see how I was led so far astray.  Maybe stay away from fancruft in the future.  8)  Mirwin 04:58, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Daanschr: I thought you'd quit the Illich reading group anyways? Initially I liked the idea of trying to bring some kind of 'weekly' schedule, but I then realized that I don't think its going to help and that it's kind of artificial in a project that can for all intents and purposes go over a long period of time on the wiki and have people join at different points. I think for the portal we should have some kind of designation as to whether groups are active or not, which may mean that an edit has been made at least within 6 months or so. Countrymike 20:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Future of Reading Groups
Daanschr, I am wiling to try to participate in larger groups if that is perceived as useful experiment. I would prefer to stick with space or Lunar Boom Town related materials if possible. "A Diamond Age" as it is discussed at Wikipedia centering around a "primer" used for self education looked very applicable to Wikiversity. Obviously I view Wikiversity as a critical component of any future free engineering efforts to help bring down the cost of space tech, dev, and settlements. I will participate to the extent that I can drum up interest in specific books or topics. Mirwin 22:58, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Joined the Polypepnission War group. Close anyway.  War is always applicable to pioneers. 8( What time and day is weekly IRC discussion? Thanks!  Mirwin 23:20, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So far there was no real fixed date, mostly it was on weekends, see please here for the old meetings. Does it go on this weekend ? (not mentioned a certain date/time, just asking) Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 00:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I am in favour of let it going on this weekend.--Daanschr 07:48, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * ping, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 15:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Made 2 announcements: Announcements, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 15:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

:-)
, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 20:31, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Testing
Does this fall foul of the spam filter? --McCormack 11:25, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I posted a test edit to Mike's page - no problem. Perhaps it's the content of your edit that is the problem? --McCormack 12:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Action research
Thanks very much Daanschr - I've very much appreciated your thoughts so far, and of course it's fine to dip in and out as and when you like. I'll start doing some work on the project page and its subpages after I get a bit more clarity on the Colloquium - and we can use these pages to brainstorm and start planning some concrete steps. Cormaggio talk 09:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm sorry to hear you've been sick, Daanschr - I hope you've recovered or are on the road to recovery. :-) Yes, the Colloquium discussion has faded a bit - and I've been thinking about how to progress from this point. I think we need to set out a plan of concrete action (or perhaps a number of plans) - and just to clarify, which idea from SB_Johnny did you like? A meeting might help too - and I'm always aware that we need to provide for people who don't have access to audio/visual and other communication tools/platforms, such as yourself (though I think you have access to IRC, right?). I think I'll make a stab at something tomorrow - I've got a meeting with my PhD supervisors tomorrow morning and they might be able to give me some ideas for what to do now. But please don't hesitate in adding your own ideas. :-) Thanks again, Cormaggio talk 19:18, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I've responded to your comment on my own talk page... Cormaggio talk 14:01, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Started work on refactoring project page and starting Wikiversity learning model/Reading group and Wikiversity learning model/Discussion group... Cormaggio talk 23:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Tomorrow's meeting
So, everything for tomorrow fit ? You have an email - btw: why don't you activate your email here too ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Thx
... for this. Didn't read yet the text :-( Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 17:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Page reorganisation
Hi Daan. Thanks for your message. I'm glad to hear you would like to help with this. How would you like to approach things? I'm capable of giving megalomaniac instructions, but a more consensus-based approach is "nicer". One of the things I'm waiting for is the activation of the subpagelist extension, so that we can start a subpage reorganisation - i.e. get lost pages back into their learning projects as subpages. Another way forward is to experiment with the DPL tag to identify organisational problems. --McCormack 08:49, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi Daan. I've added a note to the learning resources talk page about academic titles. --McCormack 13:35, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

 * And another about age. Mind you, is 29 really that young!! ;-) --McCormack 15:51, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

Hello Daan, I just made a review of the Thucydides project - for me personally - and in case I didn't tell this lately: without you I would have not reached my learning goals so far there. Hope we continue like this. Just in case: can I do something for you ? Tell me please. Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat  10:52, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Dutch Wikimedians
Hi Daan, as well as our very own Jeroen :-), other Dutch Wikimedians I would immediately point you towards are Jan-Bart, and Marjon - both of whom work in Kennisnet (Jan Bart is on the Wikimedia board), Peter, and Oscar. Also, I think Lodewijk is secretary of the Dutch Wikimedia chapter (I presume this is the "union" you mentioned), and I'm sure he'd be delighted to point you toward the next meetup. In fact, all of these are involved in the Dutch chapter, none of them are dull ;-), and are all very interested in Wikiversity, and the possibility of a Dutch project. If you want, I can introduce you via email or whatever... Cormaggio talk 10:26, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Oh well, congratulations on your new job, Daan! It's a shame you won't be around though - and I'm sorry our envisaged collaborations didn't come to much - though I very much appreciate the contribution you've made to my research so far. And the people I mentioned will still be around whenever you have the time - they're in this for the "long haul". ;-) Cormaggio talk 11:32, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Meeting better Saturday
Hi Daan, the meeting Saturday would be a better date for me. Is this ok ? Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 20:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you remember - I talked about some other literature I am interested in ? I set up now the page: Romance of the Three Kingdoms (by Luo Guanzhong). Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 01:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

A Short History of Nearly Everything
Sounds interesting - if I would have more time, I would join. I will check my time plan and add myself if it works out. Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 11:47, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I looked it up already, about 700 pages. Let's see how much people can be gathered ? Don't wanna order it until I intend to take part. atm: after finishing the OER-course - I will participate in another course about copyright: de:Kurs:Urheberrecht. Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 13:02, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

 * I wonder if you ever read/saw any of the work of James Burke (science historian). See also KnowledgeWeb Project. --JWSchmidt 23:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "His project seems very interesting. I might be joining it." <-- We could start a page here about the project. I wonder if they would be interested in a "wiki branch" of their project. --JWSchmidt 22:14, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

IRC meeting
Hi Daan - just notifying you of a suggested time/date for an IRC meeting about 'Wikiversity learning'. Could you indicate if you would be available, or would prefer a different time/date? Cormaggio talk 14:44, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi Daan, and happy birthday, I think?! Can you please email me - I cannot email you through the special:email function. I'm cormaggio [at] gmail dot com. Thanks. Cormaggio talk 10:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

OER course
You were added :-) Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) PS: Tag a learning project with completion status !! 21:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

w:Wikipedia:WikiProject organized debate
Hi. If you don't have a copy of this, I can import it for you. "Mystictim" seems not to have been active for the past 2 years though. --SB_Johnny | talk 09:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I saw the page (I'm an admin on wp). Just thought you might like to restart it here... good stuff :-). JWSchmidt and I are both admins there, so we can import deleted files (unfortunately only wp-admin custodians can do that). --SB_Johnny | talk 20:36, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Will do... wasn't sure what your answer was last time :). --SB_Johnny | talk 10:37, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

 * Done: WikiProject organized debate. Please rename it :-). --SB_Johnny | talk 10:40, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: social call
Fine, thx. Just drinking my 2nd coffee. Trying to relax a little, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 18:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, some things just need some time to get into right stage. btw: what is going on with Wikipedia and the history project you wanted to do ? Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 18:18, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well - in parallel - with other things I do. :-)
 * I see it i simported already: WikiProject organized debate - will have a look later, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 18:55, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * hehe, you are right. how did you know that I support both teams ? Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 19:44, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, the bad part is, I have no live stream, just a ticker :-) Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 19:56, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ticker is meant to mean a status-bar with the current results + live stream was meant to be: watching live. I hope you have sweet dreams. See you, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 21:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Wow - didn't expect that since yesterday. I am sure you will find something to concentrate on in this time. Leave stressful things away - I am sure this will increase your life. So, how can we convince you to do more WV-related things ? ;-) Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 16:51, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, was sleeping before when you came into chat :-(
 * Well, good luck with finding that :-)Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 18:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, I see it as another experience then for you - nice. Gotta go, my brother came, see you later in the evening. Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 17:34, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

We can chat now, if you like, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 12:36, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Thucydides
Hay mate, I am interested in the readings. Maybe you could get a job as a history teacher! But it would be great, thanks Enlil Ninlil 07:20, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I have thought about teaching already. My main doubt is my shyness. I don't know wether i can keep the class ordered enough. I have worked for three years in education though. 2.5 years with 4-7 years old and a half year with 16-20 years old. I know from these experiences that children and adolescents like me, but that i am bad in keeping order as well.--Daanschr 08:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, if the education system works as in Germany, this will probably take some time. I guess there are some other ways to "teach" ? E.g. are there around some leisure/recreational facilities where youths go in and out ? You could talk with one of the administratives to do there something - nothing big. I guess they welcome anyone who wants to help. Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 17:02, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

Guess who started yesterday to read from Thucydides again ? :-) Though I did not start in Thucydides itself and where we stopped. I like more reading the English summary (when I have to discover words and noting them down). I think I must find my appetite for Thucydides again. Let's see when I read next - wanted to do it today, but then something else came in :-) Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 12:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Welcome back again :-) Yes, I will read a little more now an dthen let's see when we can start again. So, what about you ? What have you done recently ? Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 16:03, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

I am not sure about this week. Where should we start ? where we stopped last time: Book 3, aphorism 50-75 ? Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 16:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Couldn't do much more lately :-( Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 18:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

So, how is life ?
I am a little tired today - so much stress (don't wanna talk bout it though), Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 18:37, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Life is ok. Don't feel very well. I will start looking for a job next week. Working would help. I took a month off, and now it has been enough.

 * On Thucydides: I don't think that user Enlil will return, so we don't need to do the reading only for him. Perhaps we can read the book of Bryson. I can guarantee that you will like it (You may hit me if you don't like it, which is impossible because we know eachother only from internet) ;-)--Daanschr 18:44, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * lol :-) We could be neighbors, who knows.
 * Let me think about Bryson - perhaps better Thucydides, but in slow tempo. Who knows I might change my mind in 5 mins and buy Bryson online, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 18:58, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

 * We are reading Thucydides too slow for the kind of text that it is. It has no use to read small peaces and discuss them, because many times there isn't much to tell about it. If we read Thucydides, than we should read larger chunks of text and discuss them. We could than compare certain texts with each other.--Daanschr 06:58, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * too slow: unfortunately true. I just always see somany things at WV where I like to participate/help and then the time for reading gets less :-( Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 18:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You do a great job on Wikiversity!--Daanschr 19:41, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

We are different people trying to be helpful, but we disagree with each other
You said "It could also be that they are different persons who are in a league together to disrupt Wikiversity and are very successful in it. Maybe it is some kind of student fraternity. It is strange for instance that none of the three users became angry for being seen as sockpuppets. They only respond to each other or are making suggestions indicating that they agree with me."

We are different people trying to be helpful, but we disagree with each other. I am a long time contributor at Wikipedia. Read H5N1 and its related pages to see the work I have done there. I also am the guy who created the initial w:WP:BLP proposal, so I have a long history of trying to improve ethical behavior at Wikipedia. Moulton is a Ph.D. scientist who genuinely wishes to improve Wikipedia articles that are about people he cares about and an article about a scientific subject he is actively engaged with. Salmon of Doubt, I believe I recognize from his psychology as a long time vandal fighting admin at Wikipedia. We all mean well. We disagree about how to best create these learning resources. I think everyone should leave each other alone and just separately write resources. Moulton believes in the value of drama as a method of learning. Salmon of Doubt believes in censorship and punishment. WAS 4.250 23:36, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

 * The way you three act to each other seems so strange to me, that I had the impression that you were acting. Sorry for the misunderstanding. My main interest in this conflict was to get it off the Colloquium. Also, I saw that the main active people on Wikiversity were all responding to it, which didn't seem like a good idea.--Daanschr 07:15, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Yes, we are three strange people. :) All older than you, I believe (I know that I and Moulton are; his real life identity is trivial to discover and I am an old retired guy in poor health). WAS 4.250 07:49, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I feel a bit ashamed. Good luck with your project!
 * I am unemployed for a month and will be looking for a job next week. I don't know if Wikiversity will become a success. At first i tried it out and saw that little was happening here. Next year i returned because i had a job with very little today and a computer right in front of me. So, i could spend my time at work being active on Wikiversity. Otherwise i wouldn't have been here anymore.--Daanschr 08:37, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I wish you the best of luck. Also, I hope you pay more attention than I did to that sage advice: "It's not what you know, it's who you know." Network. Socialize. Smile. WAS 4.250 08:48, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I took a month off on purpose. My experience is that i can get a job pretty easy. In my last job i didn't like my colleagues. After a while i had enough and quitted. I should be warry about my curriculum vitae. I have only worked for a year now. I graduated last year.--Daanschr 09:29, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

(<---) I once knew a Director of People Resources who was in emotional turmoil; saw a psychiatrist; who told him he hated his job and needed to quit no matter what the financial cost. He did and got a lower paying job; but was far happier. WAS 4.250 09:57, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

 * I think it will turn out fine. :-)--Daanschr 17:17, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

study before editing
As a participant in Ethical Management of the English Language Wikipedia I have spent a significant amount of time studying Rosalnd Picard. I am documenting my research at Ethical Management of the English Language Wikipedia/Moulton, JWSchmidt's investigation. So far I have made one edit to the Wikipedia biography about Picard; a request for a citation. I have also begun to participate at several Wikipedia discussion/talk pages where the Picard and related articles have been discussed. I am also participating at Study project on Intelligent Design and I have begun to study David Berlinski and Icons of Evolution. --JWSchmidt 12:21, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

"Is everything alright with you" <-- yes. I think it is inevitable that some Wikiversity participants who have so far gone their own ways here will eventually start talking to each other. That might happen soon....but many people seem to be rushing to just stick their fingers in their ears. --JWSchmidt 14:40, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

"the present topics may be too obscure" <-- I agree. This is what happens when you work with science nerds. Can we find some Wikipedia article that is of interest to everyone? The problem is, most Wikipedia articles on "popular" topics get attention and present a fair balance of views. It is really only the little-known articles that can have serious problems...problems that arise from having too few eyes on the page. So we have a catch-22. --JWSchmidt 15:05, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

"one central major topic" <-- maybe something in the general area of the relationship between religion and science. The debate over "creation science" seems fairly high-profile. The two specific articles that were selected for the Study project on Intelligent Design are in that general subject area. --JWSchmidt 15:45, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if I ever noticed WikiProject study before editing:Science and creationism (Intelligent Design). I'm a bit puzzled about how the "congress" idea might relate to pages such as Study project on Intelligent Design. --JWSchmidt 17:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Reading World politics-hello from Jolie
hello. As a lifelong student, I want to make a continual effort at being informed and knowledgeable. I have become intrigued by the wikimedia model. How does contributing here differ in educational value from readings at the library or participation on an internet forum?

The reading is a little tedious and difficult with no social interaction but online forums can be mindless ranting with little to no educational value. Right now, I would like an opportunity to learn more about the social sciences. I think there are many interesting possibilities and I welcome your input. If I could ask just one favor of you, this would be SO much easier if the material were on-line and freely accessable.

An acedemic from holland and a chemist from the USA might have great difficulty getting similar reading material.--Jolie 13:17, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Invitation to the Wikipedia course project
Hi! Would you like to contribute to the Wikipedia course? You may for example add your name to the list of interested course developers. Kindly Mange01 08:52, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject study before editing:Science and creationism (Intelligent Design)
Here is one answer to the question that you asked. Others here at wikiversity might have different opinions on the topic... The category scheme on wikiversity is an important (IMO) part of our attempt to organize content and aide people in finding pages on related topics. When there are multiple subpages you could add them to [[:Category:WikiProject study before editing]] for example, and that specific page could also be added to a new category with a name such as [[:Category:Intelligent Design]]. Were you aware of Study project on Intelligent Design? If similar pages had been in the same category, it would have been easier (at least for me) to discover that such pages existed. Feel free to drop me a note if you'd like to discuss this more, or if you have any questions. I'm not too particular about how pages get categorized, but I do find it helpfull. You might also find that someone else will come along and start adding the page to categories, if they also find it of use to do so. --mikeu talk 20:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I have made some categories.--Daanschr 20:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Intelligent design
Hi Daan. If you have some idea of where you want to go with the projet, I know there's quite a few contributors on wikipedia that have an interest and might participate (w:Wikipedia:WikiProject intelligent design would probably be the place to start). Just a heads up on Barry though: he's had some run-ins with people active on that project, and part of what got him into trouble both on Wikipedia and on Wikiversity is that he's been somehow involved with "outing" a couple of those editors, and he's proven unwilling to stop using their real-life names both on the wiki and on other websites. Just wanted to make sure you knew where things stand there. --SB_Johnny talk 21:45, 12 January 2009 (UTC)

I think something that may help focus (and possibly work as a sister page to your project) would be a page devoted to the difference and similarity of "evolution" and "Darwinism". Also, a small discussion on the emotionality behind the project would be an interesting topic. Just some possible suggestions. I wouldn't want it to be turned into a pursuit of individual editors. That was a mistake from before. Ottava Rima (talk) 00:28, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Johnny, Ottava, the idea to pursue Intelligent Design was Barry's. My main wish was to get the WikiProject going. Therefore i needed contributors. Without Barry, there is no special need for me to pursue this topic. I can also choose something else. But, thanks for the suggestions.--Daanschr 06:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Ah, ok... sorry for the misunderstanding. I don't think you'll get any other contributors if moulton continues to be involved. --SB_Johnny talk 12:20, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

 * He isn't practically involved. I am the only contributor and creator of the project.--Daanschr 16:48, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia and the 2008 US elections
Heya Daan. This is focused on a "study of editing" rather than a "study before you edit" project, but I think it has potential, and would welcome any time you can give to it. --SB_Johnny talk 17:58, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

 * Well, I was contacting you :-). But yes, I've been in touch with some wikipedian folks about it. --SB_Johnny talk 20:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Authentic learning communities
As you know, I have a strong commitment to the construction of authentic learning communities. If you have an interesting in collaborating in an award-winning model learning community, I stand ready to join you. —Moulton 11:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

 * If you are constructive in your dealings with people, than that will be possible.--Daanschr 16:59, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Universitas
A community can easily become a club. In most cases it does. This inevitably results consciously or unconsciously in an attitude us against them, the club members against the rest. Academia is no exception, may be even a leader in this pattern. The definition of Universitas as given above is: whole, total, universe, world , (German word would be All)  To me the difference between  a Community of learners denotes ultimately no responsibility or belonging. Universitas magistrorum on the other hand in its original meaning seems to indicate, to me at least, a vital roll of the non human component of the "All" as legitimate may be even The Teacher and not subject (the viewpoint of universe/nature as mere subject was mainly adapted since Descartes). As a matter of fact the metaphor of the "Sorcerer's Apprentice" seems to be fitting in this connection. Humanity, the perpetual apprentice is charged with an obligation - to look after the house while the master is gone as part of his/her apprentic-ship. Too often in the past we mistook our task to look after the masters house to try out, without understanding what we are doing, the little bit we learned, often with catastrophic consequences. We thought we know a lot, and probably we do. We understand however very little not to say nothing that really matters. Wikiversity I think is an opportunity to go back philosophically to our roots, at least in the western cultural setting. To me that would mean to rethink and may be even incorporate Socratic principles in the mission of Wikiversity. Such an effort would surely deserve the title Universitas in its original meaning. Sorry for the rant, but to me this is the crux of the problem and i hope it will be discussed further

Altera vista 22:25, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Being new to all this and not knowing protocolls / habits of folks I am copying my respone directly to your site : Being very interested in and impressed by the concept of Wikiversity and after initial attempts to get started to contribute ( learning language, templates etc etc) I began to monitor the " Colloquium". Here are 2 observations, for what they might be worth,( if anything)
 * Reading the entry On "Apology" I felt as if i would try to join a country club with its own language, only initiated would be able to follow. The specific reason was the expression " sockpuppeteer" . The reader can probably deduct from my comment that i grew up prior to the " internet revolution", but it seems to me in a project such as wikiversity ( again this is said with the proviso that i interpret the mission of wikipedia correctly) participation should have as few hurdles as possible, and every attempt should be made to make the mechanics of participation as easy as possible. I think commonly ( i hope that includes still my generation) understood language where ever possible might be used. Altera vista 12:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

''Ah. Well, a "sockpuppeteer" -- the word is used on the WP signpost article (the "signpost" is something akin to a newspaper) -- is someone who has a number of accounts under different names, and uses the accounts to make it appear that they are different people. I don't know the history of Poetlister in particluar, but I'm under the impression he may have been using these to rig votes. Part of the reason there was concern is that he was a "checkuser" on one of the wikis, and one of the chief duties of a checkuser is to identify sockpuppeteers. Weird stuff happens on wikis sometimes... hope that helps explain a bit of the jargon. --SB_Johnny talk 16:52, 30 August 2009 (UTC)'' Again as a newcomer I lack insight to comment directly on policies. So i tried to inform myself regarding the underlying principles of wikiversity ( not policies, code of conduct, etc but the underlying philosophical context) may be the discussion should / could begin with the translation of Universitas as in universitas magistrorum et scholarium - a community of teaching and learning. According to http://arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/Latin/ the translation of universitas is:the whole, total, universe, world community of teaching and learning might be translated more correctly into: Communitas magistrorum et scholarium If that is the case then my comments under 1 are misplaced. if it is correct however may be attempts and/or suggestions could be made how to move from a Communitas to an Universitas based organization. It seems to me that the former is definitely a subset of /included in the more universal latter ( and I hope that still would include my generation) If I am too far off base please just ignore this. Altera vista 12:07, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Suggestion for policy development

''We always appreciate the ideas and insights of newcomers! Do you have any particular ideas for how to develop more of a Universitas? The Jade Knight (d'viser) 19:16, 30 August 2009 (UTC)''

''Hi Altera Vista, I am not sure what you mean with a universitas rather than a communitas? I could explain how i like Wikiversity to develop. At the moment the focus seems to be mainly on facilitating learning or learning about learning. I prefer to learn about something, and that something is all knowledge and details of that knowledge, as universal as possible and for all people to participate in.--Daanschr 14:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)''

A community can easily become a club. In most cases it does. This inevitably results consciously or unconsciously in an attitude us against them, the club members against the rest. Academia is no exception, may be even a leader in this pattern. The definition of Universitas as given above is: whole, total, universe, world, (German word would be All) To me the difference between a Community of learners denotes ultimately no responsibility or belonging. Universitas magistrorum on the other hand in its original meaning seems to indicate, to me at least, a vital roll of the non human component of the "All" as legitimate may be even The Teacher and not subject (the viewpoint of universe/nature as mere subject was mainly adapted since Descartes). As a matter of fact the metaphor of the "Sorcerer's Apprentice" seems to be fitting in this connection. Humanity, the perpetual apprentice is charged with an obligation - to look after the house while the master is gone as part of his/her apprentic-ship. Too often in the past we mistook our task to look after the masters house to try out, without understanding what we are doing, the little bit we learned, often with catastrophic consequences. We thought we know a lot, and probably we do. We understand however very little not to say nothing that really matters. Wikiversity I think is an opportunity to go back philosophically to our roots, at least in the western cultural setting. To me that would mean to rethink and may be even incorporate Socratic principles in the mission of Wikiversity. Such an effort would surely deserve the title Universitas in its original meaning. Sorry for the rant, but to me this is the crux of the problem and i hope it will be discussed furtherAltera vista 22:22, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

''But do you have any particular suggestions as to how we might be able to better accomplish this? The Jade Knight (d'viser) 05:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)''

''In the western monastic tradition, the focus on universalism is combined with a focus on scheduling time and concentrated labour. I agree with you that it is important to be part of the universe and not to be part of a small ignorant community. On the other hand, there need to be tasks, activity, devotion for details. This in order to ensure that we are not merely talking but also working, maintaining. (I find it hard to put it in words)--Daanschr 08:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)''

One could argue that the Western monastic movement is based on the Benedict of Nursia (Benedictine Order) (see Mumford) His innovation was Ora ET Labora. Translated more to our task it would be Contemplate AND Work. Contemplation should lead to Understanding, and understanding is the beginning of wisdom (Noesis the Greek used to call it) Work on the other hand leads to Knowledge.( Related to Dianoia) Knowledge is the beginning of habit. We have undoubtedly much and often sophisticated knowledge, but sad to say we have little understanding. Knowledge builds on reason, understanding requires all of our human capabilities. (J.R Saul puts it at 6 in his book " On Equilibrium") All of them have to be brought together in order to obtain understanding and this I think was the insight of Benedict, which became the foundation of Western Culture. ( Don't blame him for our " Back sliding"). You ask what can we do in practical terms?! I think there are no answers in the sense we like to have absolute answers we can take home and follow confidently like a recipe in a cook book. All we can do analyze the situation and respond prudently, realizing that this response has to be revisited and adjusted constantly. In the first case ( answers) we are isolated we don't need anybody else we have it we can cook in our own little kitchen. in the second case we have to be by necessity connected - consciously connected to what ever came before us. This, by necessity, will - not give us - but bring us in touch with what Socrates referred to as the 'Greater Good'. In practical terms Wikiversity could try and encourage in each project its connections / how it relates to the Universal / the Greater Good as Socrates might have suggested. This would also attract folks that have no particular insight in the specifics of the project butcould probe its wider ramifications. By making or encouraging this possibility it would become natural to pose questions that would/ could lead beyond the confines of the particular subject. I would feel disruptive if i, for example would raise such questions on a project that deals with " how to make better videos" ( just an arbitrary example that came to mind) On the other hand such an expansion of a project might lead to as yet unexplored possibilities. I believe it is the opportunity and task of all of us to set that stage ( And here stops the rant sorry it got so long, I can wax real passionate about this) Altera vista 13:05, 1 September 2009 (UTC) P.S. Most contemporary universities follow the dictum of bacon: "..knowledge is power" Wikiversity's motto could be Knowledge is the handmaiden of understanding The first leads to fragmentation and compartmentalization the second one would lead to inclusion, and interconnectedness. (On and on he goes!) Altera vista 13:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Knowledge is power Ipsa Scientia Potestas Est taken from: Meditationes Sacrae. De Haeresibus. by: Sir Francis Bacon,1597 I agree with you to a point. Everything is a balance. You mentioned fundamentalism (christianity etc) is intuition gone wild, devoid of common sense, --( sensus communis -- I am using Latin phrases not to show that I know them but because our terms have been often so compromised that they become almost useless in communicating), -- and  reason. Voltaire and his compatriots on the other hand were mostly concerned with the problems of his time. They were first and foremost interested in combating the utterly corrupted political spiritual and also intellectual conditions they lived in. As weapon of choice they reached back to the Tradition of Anaximander and Socrates. Both ( Anaximander introduced and Socrates expanded the concept of Reason as guiding principle. That concept of reason as the Greek understood it however combined both Knowledge and Wisdom/ Understanding.  With this they could postulate that Reason in itself was connected to moral value.  as Max Horkheimer in one of his lectures ( I do not recall the specifics at the moment, Alzheimer's disease is setting in!!) pointed out is both a tool and a principle. One cannot blame the folks of the 18th century to be " blown away" by the spectacular success the application of reason as tool created that the bigger concept of Reason was forgotten. This oversight precisely led  and had to lead to romanticism which ultimately embraces utopianism. Utopianism however is pure absolutism  a fundamentalism of some sorts.  I think tolerance might be a better description then Relativism ( one could make a coherent argument that relativism ultimately  can lead or justify Auschwitz)  what Taoism is based on. science on the other hand to day is not what Bacon, Voltaire or the rest of that crowd had in mind. If for no other reason the drive to privatize intellectual property is the antithesis of science as they envisioned it. And patent protection seems to have become the hallmark of academia today. With the conception : Knowledge is power however that became inevitable. Altera vista 18:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

No I am not a Classicist, my background was Physics. However if you start digging deep enough you always will invariably end up at the same place. I quite agree with you, everything today is about money, even science, even the search for truth that inspired those who came before us. But there are some signs that are promising. I for one am quite impressed by the "Free Software Movement" (Eben Moglen for example) As Eben Moglen points out this is not free like in free beer but free as it belongs to the Common ( with capital letter)  and from there, it seems to me is but a very small step to the Common Good  the principle Socrates for example was searching for. I think this concept Should be expanded into other/ all areas of human activities. Periodically attempts in this direction are made, but they seem to drown and are not heard of again. This however seems to me no excuse not to try. Wikiversity attracted me as a possible platform to start again such a thing -- make knowledge, experiences, and insights etc practical in the spirit of " Search for the Greater Good " otherwise it is just more free beer. For this reason I am in the process of starting the project: " Designing for the Commons" here on wikiversity I am inexperienced in Computer "Things" thats one reason why it might be slow in getting going but again that is no excuse. In order to attract folks the quality has to be high, in other words it has to be valuable, it cannot be " Underwater Basket weaving" -- nobody gives a dam about..-- I worked in fluid dynamics and came up with the process of Dynamic Containment which I plan to use as a start. ( The picture / movie strips are just a start, no explanations yet, but it is coming be patient) The idea is to use technologies like this to develop actual useful applications collaboratively and free, that can stand up in the market place. I am convinced it can be done. I am also convinced if such practical attempts are anchored in what one might refer to as our Common humanistic inheritance it might influence enough folks so this thing we try to do will develop momentum on its own. I have no illusions that this will be easy or might even be successful, but that should not matter. Lewis Mumford expressed this more eloquently than I can Its taken from his book " The Condition of Man": ( These words accompany by a picture  " Dawn at  Lake George" by Alfred Stieglitz) "......the foreground is dark, and it will become darker before the day breaks. The purging of long accumulated poisons, the healing of ugly wounds, will not be done in a day:  all this needs time,patience, resolute effort, and a willingness to forgo selfish local gains for the sake of a larger common good -- the unification of mankind and the replenishment of life. Nothing that is worth doing in our time will be done easily; that is, without a spiritual rebirth.  Unless the blind recover their sight and the crippled learn to walk our very knowledge will slay us. No peace without struggle; no security without risk; no wholeness without simplification; no goods without measure; no love without sacrifice; no full life without the willingness to accept and transcend death in the very process of living. Those who have learned this lesson may build the City of Man." Altera vista 09:00, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

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Just wanted to drop a little "Nice to meet you!" I just got through reading your post in the Semi-outing discussion, and thought I would take the time to introduce myself. I often fight bitterly on wiki's of various sorts, but try to keep a cool head even when fighting. If I can't, I simply leave as to not spoil the experience for others. I hope my arguments were not too extreme for your tastes. Thenub314 21:09, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

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Computer Communications

Introduction
Computer network is a collection of nodes, where the computing stations (resources) reside. The nodes communicate to each other via communication network. Transmission, and switching accomplishes the course of communications.

Network Types
Networks can be classified by switching methods, topology, functions and representation.

Circuit Switching
is good for long continuous and time-constrained communications.
 * Before the data transmission began, station to station (end-to-end) physical path must be established. All channels in the path are used simultaneously ruding the transmission. The entire path must be used for communication, until the release of the circuit.
 * The best way to memorize operation, consists of three phases:
 * Circuit Establishment (Resources are allocated)
 * Data Transfering (Resource are used)
 * Circuit Termination (Resources are deallocated)

Message Switching
A message is a logical unit of information that one station sends to another. It does not need a path to be established. Instead, the message travels over existing channels. It hops (travels) through the network in a node-to-node manner, in store-and-forward fashion, until it reaches its destination.

Packet Switching
Transmits data in a bursty nature. Small users get fast service in presence of large users. Messages are decomposed into packets. Packets are the smaller units of data.
 * Many packets of the same message can be transmitted at the same time. In other words, the message is cut is small pieces which are transmitted simultaneously, yet by different channels.
 * The message needs to be reassembled after arriving at the destination.

Datagram Packet Switching

 * Data packets are treated independently of each other.
 * Each packet can travel according to the route it found on the network.
 * Sequential order is not required to take place.
 * The connection operation consists only of data transfer phase.

Virtual Circuit packet switching
Virtual circuit is a logical connection, which is established prior to the start of communications. Logical connection is a route, over which all packets travel between the stations. Packets are delivered along the circuits in sequential order.
 * Connection-Oriented Operation:
 * Connection Established
 * Data Transferred
 * Connection Terminated

Protocol Concepts
Consider a simple example of file transfer, which happens almost every day with us. How does it happen: Conversion must be performed if two systems are incompatible.
 * Source either activates direct data communication path, or informs the network about desired destination.
 * Source system must be sure that the destination system is ready to receive data.
 * File transfer application of the source system must be sure that the file management program on the destination system is ready to receive files.

Protocols
Protocol is a set of rules that governs the exchange of the information. It deals with Anything, capable of transmitting and receiving information is called an entity. A system is a physically distinct collection of entities.
 * Syntax, which is the format, coding, signals magnituded
 * Semantics, which takes care of the implementation of control information and error handling.
 * Timing the sequence in which everything occurs.

Protocols are responsible for:
 * Delivering user data
 * Fragmentation and reassambly
 * Encapsulation
 * Connection Control, which consists of
 * Establishment of the connection
 * Data transfer
 * Connection Termination
 * Controling the data flow between two protocol entities
 * Error Control
 * Sequencing, which is maintaining the proper order of Protocol data Unit Delivery
 * Addressing, which is a proper manner of naming and referencing protocol entities.
 * Multiplexing, allowing single connection to multiple users
 * Expedited data delivery, security, which comes under a frame of Transmision Service.

Layered Approach
Entity implements the functions of a given layer, and the protocols for communicating with peer entities. An entity communicates with entities on The entity on the layers N communicated with the entities on lower layers, by invokations of N-1 primitives.
 * Its layer
 * on layers above, or below it, acting as an interface

Primitives:
 * 'Request': used to invoke requested service, passing parameters for full specification
 * In order to show that a procedure has been invoked by a peer service, indication migh be useful.
 * Response is issued to complete or acknowledge some procedure, invoked by an indication to user.
 * Confirmation, used by a service provider to complete or acknowledge some procedure.

OSI MOdel
Suggested reading: OSI model

TCP/IP protocol architecture
Suggested Reading, from WIKIPedia:
 * Internet protocol suite

Data Link: Issues and Requirements
Data link control is respoinsible of data communications between tow transmitting-receving station, connected directly. The most important aspects of the Data Link COntrol are
 * Frame synchronization
 * character oriented, where the character is the basic unit (atom) of information.
 * bit oriented, where the "atom" of information is a bit.
 * Line Configuration, is a criteria that differs the way of data links.
 * Topology (point to point, multipont)
 * Duplexity
 * Simplex, one connection at a time, in one directeion over a single line
 * Half Duplex, One connection at time, during the talk.
 * Full duplex 2 way connection during the talk.
 * Line discipline
 * contention
 * polling
 * selection

Bit Oriented Data Link Protocols
To study
 * High Level Data Link COntrol (HDLC) - ISO
 * LAPB - ITU-T (for x.25)
 * Point-to-Point Protocol used on the internet to connect home users to ISPs, as well as router to router. While working, it relies on:
 * Line Control protocol for establishing connection
 * In order to check the validity of a password, PPP uses either PAP or CHAP. It comes between Establish, and Authenticate states.
 * Network Control Protocol for negotiating network layer option. Comes between Network and Open states.
 * And for providing IP service over the established connection, IPCP is in use. It comes between the states of Authenticate and Network.

Just for reference
 * Advanced Communications Control Procedures (ADCCP)
 * Synchronous data Link COntrol
 * Link Access Procedures, D channelLAPD - ITU-T (for ISDN)
 * Link Access Procedure for Frame-mode Bearer Sercies (LAPF)
 * Logic Link COntrol(LLC) - IEEE 802.2

Network Layer
This layer and its protocols are responsible for the terminal to terminal data packet delivery. One of its main design issues are:

External vs. Internal operation
In case of external.internal virtual circuit, whenever the user requests VC, a dedicated route is set through the network. All packets will follow it.
 * External Virtual Circuit with internal datagrams.
 * Different packets of the same message may follow different routes through the network.
 * The original sequence and the integrity of message is achieved by resassemlby of packets at the destication node.
 * External/Internal datagram, features independent treatment of each packet.

General COmparison

X.25 Standard
The protocol specifies three level interface between Data Terminal Equipment and Data Control Equipment
 * From TOP to BOTTOM, the levels of the interface are:

Packet Levels
enables subscribers of the network to set up logical connections to the subscribers. These logical connections, form a pre-planed routes and are called, Virtutal circuits THis level relies on Packet Layer Protocol
 * Virtual Circuit Service of X.25
 * Dynamically established Virtual Call.
 * Network Assigned, permanet virtual circuit.
 * Packet types

Multilink Procedure

 * Multilink procedure allows multiline DTE-DCE connections.
 * Each link is governed by SLP LAPB
 * MLP frame format
 * Multilink Control Field (MLC) (2 octets)
 * 12 bit sequence number accross al links is needed, to reorder frames sent, which may arrive in different order.
 * Restination reorders the packets according to MLP sequence numbers
 * The X.25 packet.

Physical Level
deals with the physical interface between the link that attaches computer to the network, and the computer.
 * X.21
 * X.21 bis, similar to EIA-232-D

Error control and recovery

 * Reset packet: This operation requires to reinitialize a virtual circuit.
 * Restart packet: This operation requires to reset all active virtual circuits.

Multiplexing

 * DTE is allowed to establish up to 4095 Virtual Circuits simultaneously.
 * each packet contains a 12bit Virtual Circuit number. (0 is reserved for "restart" and diagnostic packets.

Flow Control

 * Sliding Window protocol with default size of 2 (max is 7 or 127)

Acknowledgements
They may have either local or end to end significance.
 * when D=0, the acknowledgement is made between DTE and the network.
 * when D=1, the acknowledgement is made from Remote DTE

Frame Relay Networks

 * This technology is designed to provide lower delays, and higher throughput, in comparison with traditional switching networks.
 * F.R. originated as a part of ISDN standardization, yet can be provided for bothISDN and non-ISDN networks.
 * In x.25 the control packets are carried on the same channel, and the same virtual circuit as the data packet. In fact in-band signaling takes place there. Simply speaking control and data packets travel in series, not in parallel. Multiplexing and switching takes place at level 3, whicle both layers 2 and 3 include flow control.
 * Frame Relay provides separate channels/virtual circuits for data and control packets. In other words, data and control packets travel in parallel ways.

FrameRelay protocol architecture
Consider two separate planes of operations, COntrol (C) plane and user (U) plane.
 * C plane is responsible for establishment and termination of logical connections.
 * U plane is responsible to the transfer of user data between the subscribers.
 * Multiplexing, and logical connection switching takes place at level 2 (instead of 3) leaving level 3 for processing.
 * Flow control is not end to end. No the hop to hop.

Call Control
Call controls signalling is carried on a separate logical connection. Thus the state table maintenance is not required for intermediate nodes.
 * It used LAPD (Q.921) protocol, for relizable data link control
 * Q.931/Q.933 control signalling mesages are exchanged atop of Q.921 protocol.

Frame relay call control functions
Other side can answer with After the connection is established, data transfer can proceed. Clearing a connection is accomplished by the exchange of DISCONNECT, RELEASE, and RELEASE COMPLETE messages.
 * Exchange of a Q.931/Q.933 message over a logical connection dedicated call - establishes and release a frame relay connection.
 * Sending the SETUP message, either side can request the establishment. The side which sends setup message may chose DLCI option by choosing the unused value. Otherwise the accepting side will assign DLCI with the conenct message.
 * CONNECT message to confirm the connection, or the
 * RELEASE COMPLETE message to refus the connection.

User data Transer
User plane provides LAP-F protocol for data transfer (Link Access Procedure for Frame Mode bearer Services) It is defined in Q.922. Only the code function which are used in frame relay are defined here: Core functions of theLAPF constitue a subwayler in a data link layer. They provide bare data transfer service without any flow and error control. Besides this, the user can chose end-to-end function. Network can relay the frames with the following properties
 * delimiting, alignment, and transparancy
 * multiplexing/demultiplexing, using the address field
 * inspecting the frame for integral number of oxtets
 * prior to zero bit insertion
 * after zero bit extraction
 * Small probability of frame loss.
 * Preservation of the order of frame.

Routing protocols
Computer communication protocols can be divided on Routing protocls in turn can be divided on by methode on
 * nonroutable
 * routed
 * routing protocols
 * distance vector routing
 * link state routing

Network address translation
(NAT) is a very important issue of routing. NAT can use either one-to one mapping or one to many mapping. NAT has several advantages. For example: when a user decides to change a provider, along with external IP Addresses, NAT will presedve all the internal IP addresses with the internal to external translation.
 * It conserves public IP addresses
 * NAT hides internal IP scheme from the outside world
 * allows easy renumbering of IP address translation.

However NAT has following disadvantages
 * Delay comes froma NAT router to perform address translation.
 * End to end IP traceablity is lost due to IP translation
 * It is hard to find the originator of the message.

Static NAT
This kind of translation is ONE TO ONE. The configuration is simple, because NAT Routes will be a default gateway for all clients

Dynamic NAT

 * Group-to-Group mapping, where a group of valid outside IP addresses are mapped to a group of private IP addresses.
 * Network administrator doesnt care of specific one-to one mapping.
 * Any private IP address will be automatically translated to any IP address.

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Talk:Hiragana & Katakana

Balloonguy 23:42, 16 November 2006 (UTC) -- The table layout looks nice, but it doesn't show the stroke order. I suggest commons:Chinese stroke order:Asian alphabets, which has images with the stroke order of all the hiragana and almost all of the katakana.

 * Xlbnushk 03:58, 17 November 2006 (UTC) -- Wow, that's...a lot. That's in the very distant future. I can't even figure out how to get the tables to work right yet.

Balloonguy 22:54, 17 November 2006 (UTC) -- I modified the table to show different ways on how to show stroke order. One way is to link to the image and the other way is to show it right on the table. We could also organize the table by having separate tables for every consonant group.

 * Xlbnushk 23:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC) -- Hey, good job! Now that you show me, I like the stroke order style. That's definitely a go. And the image approach resolves the display issues that the table was having with Japanese characters.

Balloonguy 21:51, 18 November 2006 (UTC) -- Were you planning on including all the kana on this page? The page would get very long if you did. Also by looking at the bottom of the page and Topic:Japanese, it seems that we are going to have a learning project for reading and writing, speaking and for culture, which is fine, but how are we going to interconnect these concepts? Also, how are we going to apply The Wikiversity model for online learning?

 * Xlbnushk 06:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC) -- We could create assignments for people to practice writing...and then have them scan their practice sheets, if possible? I could put together some PDF's where you would be given the romanization or the kana and would have to figure out its counterpart. Frankly, though, I don't see too much of that happening here in particular. When we get to, say, basic grammar, we could have people put sentences together. That would be much easier to coordinate; people write sentences, submit the documents.

 * Balloonguy 20:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC) -- I've thought about it and yes you are right, when people start learning kana, we can't really make a group thing come out of it. When we get more advanced we could ask them to come up with a collaborative story or something where each person adds on to the previous person's story.

 * Limetom 04:44, 23 December 2006 (UTC) -- Of course after forgetting to log in, I added in all the hiragana that were finished. It seems that the dakuten, hadakuten, and yoōn hiragana aren't finished yet.

 * Balloonguy 19:13, 23 December 2006 (UTC) -- Good job!

66.97.202.54 12:23, 29 December 2006 (UTC) -- THIS IS MY FIRST TIME IN WIKIVERSITY! I love this page, AWESOME welldone! Im afraid that japanese lessons are scarce here. But I now know every character! Beautiful illustration! --+I propose a pronounciation guide, a la "Living Language Japanese Coursebook [The Basics]"+-=

Limetom 12:49, 7 January 2007 (UTC) -- Katakana are now up. As with hiragana, the dakuten, hadakuten, and yoōn kana are not yet done. I don't know who did/is doing them, but I'd be glad to finish if I could figure out how they did it (and assuming I can do what they did in Photoshop in GIMP...)

I split this page into Hiragana and Katakana to make it easier to understand.--Balloonguy 23:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

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Wikiversity:Staying cool when the editing gets hot

Intro
On a controversial page, editing can get harsh. Often members will engage in "edit-wars" where two people repetitively edit a detail back and forth. This gets harsher until it may go as far as vandalism. This has a negative effect on the Wikiversity community, and can result in a ban. There are about 2 things you can do when you think you are caught in a dispute like that, report it to arbitration, or just handle it yourself.

How to handle
Now, when someone starts one of these, you have to be careful to stay neutral, and not get angry.

First: go on to the topics "talk" page and try to discuss it with the other Wikiversity participant, and if that doesn’t work, see if you can compromise.

And if none of the above works, bring it to Wikiversity staff. They can help you in solving disputes. But the key thing through all this is to "Stay cool" or just don't get angry.


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Talk:Advanced Classical Mechanics/Constraints and Lagrange's Equations

The section on non-conservative forces is wrong. The final Hamiltonian still depends on the vector potential (obviously! What happened to it?) The form should be H = (p - qA)^2 / 2m + q Phi

Question on Virtual Work explanation
Here's a question (and a suggested edit) for the author(s) of the article or any other reader with similar knowledge:

I've been trying to get an intuitive understanding of why the concept of "virtual work," works in deriving Lagrange's equations. Its pretty easy to see how assuming that the system is frozen in time allows you to ignore moving constraint forces, but the question that I'm trying to answer is: why is this a legitimate assumption? I've read numerous derivations of Lagrange's Equations but none seem to explain why assuming delta t = 0 is an allowable move to make.

I'd appreciate if you could explain this in the context of the following example: A rigid, frictionless wire, rotating in a plane parallel to the earth's surface, along which a bead is constrained to move. No unbalanced applied forces are present.

Editing the text to include some sort of discussion of this issue might be quite helpful to readers, especially considering that other authors writing on Lagrange's equations have historically not addressed it.


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User talk:Russg

Hey! Im heltec, and i would like to welcome you to Wikiversity. If you have any questions, feel free to ask me. Have fun wiki'ing. ( Heltec )

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Talk:Discrete mathematics/Number theory

Number theory is not a part of discrete mathematics. Automorphic forms, and analytic number theory are as continuous as you can imagine.

Nor is it anything to do with Computer programming. JeremyBoden 00:25, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

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Filmmaking Basics/Making the Props

{| cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin:0em 0em 1em 0em; width:100%" Painting the movie poster
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Making the Star Wars poster
[[Image:StarWarsPosterPainting.jpg|frame|This is a movie poster prop for the movie set of "Seduced by the Dark Side!" created with the free  ArtRage 2 demo.

This artwork was created by placing real posters from Star Wars in a tracing layer which can be enlarged and centered as needed. Then I use the very natural painting tools of ArtRage2 with a Wacom tablet to trace pieces of the original artwork to make a poster of my own design. Because ArtRage2 feels so natural and organic, this poster was fun to create even though I am not an artist. I highly recommend this program and you can download it immediately for either the Macintosh or Windows PC. Best of all, this working demo version is free. Use it today! FREE!

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We need a poster for our movie set. It must be very simple. It should look good when reduced to only 285 pixels wide (like the example to the left.) This is an ideal project to do with ArtRage2 FREE.

Screen shot of the free version of ArtRage2. Here, I am working on the Star Wars poster in the template layer.

Step 1 · Download ArtRage 2 FREE (The free version)

 * Highly Recommended !!!

 * ArtRage 2 is a fun painting program simulating simple artist tools. Ambient Design is a New Zealand based company founded by Andy Bearsley and Matt Fox-Wilson who came from MetaCreations Corp.  They offer a free version of ArtRage 2 which has only some of the features of the full version.  Still, the free version is more than enough to do this project.

 * ArtRage2 is one of those programs which needs no instructions to begin using. Almost everything is self explanatory. And it is fun!

 * Note 1
 * ArtRage 2 requires a graphic tablet since a mouse is not a good painting tool. I tried using a mouse and could not do it. You must have an artist's tablet attached to your computer to get the benefit of pressure sensitivity.

Step 2 · Download Star Wars Posters from Internet

 * There are a lot of Star Wars movie posters on the internet. Since you are only using it as a template, it does not have to be very large.  I used the file named "StarWarsMoviePoster1977.jpg".  (Google it.)

Step 3 · Create a new page in ArtRage2

 * Create a blank drawing (a blank canvas) in ArtRage2 which is the correct size for a poster. If possible, make this as small as you can.  For a movie prop, it must NOT have much fine detail.  If you create the poster at 285 by 425, then when it is blown up, it will have clear details.

Step 4 · Import the template

 * Put the Star Wars poster from the Internet into the tracing layer.

 * The great thing about ArtRage2 is you can move the artwork all around the tracing layer and enlarge it as much as you want. To create the sample drawing to the left, I used the same original poster as a template but you will see that I took different parts of it at different magnifications.  This is amazingly easy in ArtRage2 (specially when you compare this feature to other painting programs.)

 * For my sample drawing (seen left), I use the images of the to actors at one magnification and the words "Star Wars" at another magnification.

Step 5 · Create the poster

 * The free version of ArtRage2 has a limited about of brushes and tools but these are more than enough to create wonderful artwork.

Step 6 · Save your work

 * Save your work and then export the artwork as an PNG or a JPEG file. You can upload the PNG or JPEG file to Wikiversity or email it to me.

My email address

 * Hopefully, you have my email address by now. If not, please send me a message.  @undefined.  [[Image:Crystal Clear app xfmail.png|32px]]

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{| cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" style="margin:0em 0em 1em 0em; width:100%" Let's look at a useful filming trick for motion pictures
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The next page

 * Now we continue learning new and useful things about filmmaking. Matte paintings is one of the oldest tricks in filmmaking.  It is useful to know and we will need it later for our movie.

 * Go to Understanding Film Dailies.

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Film Scoring/Marketing to distributors

Creating a marketing campaign to attract distributors
We are making an animated version of our movie in 2007 and a live action version in 2008.

One of the major decisions is deciding what actors are needed to make our project marketable. My initial reaction is to hire:

 * Sue Scott of Prairie Home Companion for the voice in the animated movie

 * The best voice over person in the USA is Sue Scott. And with her recent fame in the motion picture of Prairie Home Companion, Sue Scott is the ideal person for our movie.

 * We have begun negotiations with the agent for Sue Scott. This discussion will be posted on the Sue Scott page.

 * Erin Brockivich for the live action motion picture.

 * The ideal actress for the very wise person (aka Old Person) is Julia Roberts. With Julia Roberts attached to our movie, we should not have any problem getting a distributor.

 * The problem with Julia Roberts is she is SAG which means our production would have to be SAG and SAG will not allow us to create an editing workshop of our film dailies. This greatly limits us to non-SAG actors.

 * Therefore, we need someone famous and Erin Brockovich is the ideal person to stand in for Julia Roberts.

 * The only problem is I don't know how to contact Erin Brockovich. Any ideas?

Your teachers at the wiki film school

 * Instructor: Robert Elliott. To email me,  Click Here.

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Filmmaking/Hiring Sue Scott

Hiring Sue Scott
Sue Scott is the best (and best known) voice over person in the USA. So naturally, we want her voice for the animated version of our movie.

Finding how to contact Sue Scott is easy. You just go to [ttp://www.prairiehomevoices.com/sue_scott%20demo.html The Tim Russell and Sue Scott demo page] and listen to Sue Scott's voice.

On this same page, you notice a sign saying:

So we contacted Amy Oppegaard and she said,

So I responded,

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Baseband Modulation/Demodulation techniques

Baseband modulation and demodulation techniques are fundamental to communication systems. Let's first understand what is baseband. Baseband is actual frequency band of signal (e.g. voice, video). If we consider the voice signal then voice signal band is approximately 4kHz. That means voice signal contains frequencies ranging from 0-4kHz.

What is Modulation? Modulation is basically increasing signal frequency someway. This means voice base band is 4kHz and uplifting voice signal frequency to lets say, 1900kHz. Now, question is why we need to uplift frequency of actual baseband signal? And here radio transmission basic concept comes into picture.

In very simple way length of antenna used to transmit signal is directly related to signal wavelength. Wavelength is length of single cycle of signal. And then what is frequency? Frequency is number of cycles of signal per second, or, inverse of time taken to complete one cycle. So, what we can deduce here is if frequency of signal is high then wave length of signal will be short and vice versa.

relation between frequency and wavelength is expressed by, c = f * λ where c = velocity of light which is approximately 3×10^8 m/s, f = frequency of signal, and λ = wavelength of signal.

Thus, light velocity f and wavelength λ are inversely proportional:

λ∝1/f

Let's get back to antenna again. The length of antenna required to transmit a signal is directly related (i.e. proportional) to signal wavelength, and, therefore, is inversely proportional to signal frequency. L∝λ∝1/f => λ=L=1/f Where L is the length of the antenna.

There are many types of antenna used according to requirement. Here, for understanding we will use basic dipole antenna. Length of dipole antenna used to transmit a signal is often λ/4 or λ/2 meter. Now, for example, let's consider the voice signal. The highest frequency component of voice signal is around 4kHz and its respective wavelength is about 75000 m. So, if we want to construct dipole antenna for voice transmission then the length of λ/4 dipole antenna will be more then 18000 m. Such antenna is not practically possible to construct! So, by uplifting signal's frequency, we decrease the length of the required antenna, making it possible to manufacture.


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User talk:SirDuck36

Welcome to Wikiversity. To start a discussion group for an area of mathematics just pick a descriptive name (example: Numerical analysis study group) and get to work adding text to the page. --JWSchmidt 13:42, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

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Wikiversity:Uploading files

This page outlines what you should know about uploading files for use at Wikiversity. Wiki technology originated as a tool for collaborative editing of text. The MediaWiki software used at Wikiversity allows all participants to upload media files. Once uploaded, links to those files can be added to Wikiversity pages, thus allowing the incorporation of still images, sounds, video and other media into Wikiversity learning resources. All media files that support the educational mission of Wikiversity are welcome, but there are important restrictions on the use of media files. If you do not pay attention to these restrictions then it is likely that files you upload to Wikiversity will be deleted. This page describes the types of media files that can be uploaded to Wikiversity and explains how to upload files at Special:Upload.

Please note that most digital media files you might find on the Internet are copyrighted and not appropriate for uploading to Wikiversity. If you did not create the media file or are unable or unwilling to verify its copyright status, do not upload the media file. For hints on how to find images appropriate for uploading, see the finding images tutorial.

Checklist for media file uploading
Below this brief checklist to follow when you upload a media file to Wikiversity using the Special:Upload page. If you do not know the copyright status of a media file or if you do not know that it is available under a "free" license, then do not upload the file. Additional details are in other sections, below, on this page.

 * 1) Licensing. The text contents of the Wikiversity website are licensed under the Creative Commons CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and the GNU Free Documentation License. Media files that are uploaded to Wikiversity must be compatible with the copyleft nature of Wikiversity. You must explain the licensing of each uploaded file:
 * 2) use the "Licensing" drop-down menu to indicate a license for each file uploaded at Special:Upload
 * 3) explain which license applies to the newly uploaded media file in the "Summary" field at Special:Upload. If you are familiar with templates, you can use one of the templates at Category:Document copyright tags; see License tags and Help:Template for additional information about templates. These templates can be used:
 * 4) Template:Cc-by-sa-3.0
 * 5) Template:PD
 * 6) Template:Wikiversity-screenshot - screenshots of Wikiversity
 * 7) Template:Software-screenshot - other screenshots
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 * You own the rights to the media file (usually meaning that you created the image yourself).
 * You can prove that the copyright holder has licensed the media file under a free license that is compatible with the GFDL.
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A convenient way to add this information is to copy this text:

into the "Summary" field at Special:Upload and then add your information after each "=" sign.

User-created media files
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The following section of this page serves as the Exemption Doctrine Policy for the English language Wikiversity. For related information, see the Wikimedia Foundation licensing policy. To learn more, see the Fair use learning project.

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 * 1) Copyrighted works can be used at Wikiversity under the fair use doctrine only if such use has an obvious educational value that contributes directly to the Wikiversity mission. Fair use content is used only if its presence can significantly increase understanding of the topic and if its omission would be detrimental to that understanding.
 * 2) Wikiversity content that is used under the fair use doctrine must have no free equivalent. Wikiversity content that is used under the fair use doctrine should, when possible, be replaced with equivalent content that is available under a copyleft license or that exists in the public domain.
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The normal delay in proposed deletion shall not apply to any file which clearly violates copyright, where a fair use or permitted use rationale could not reasonably apply; such files may be speedy deleted,

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See also: Wikipedia:Preparing images for upload

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Free and open-source software
These free and open source software packages have been recommended by Wikipedians for use in image and media manipulation:
 * The GIMP — Raster image editor. (Linux, Windows, Mac OS X)
 * Inkscape — SVG vector image editor. (Linux, Windows, Mac OS X)
 * ImageMagick — Image conversion and transformation suite. (Linux, Windows, Mac OS X)
 * GraphicsMagick — A clone of ImageMagick emphasizing consistency of the programming API and end-user command-line options. (Linux, Windows, Mac OS X)
 * Audacity — General purpose sound editor. (Linux, Windows, Mac OS X)

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If JavaScript is not enabled in your user preferences then the destination field is left blank and you must add a file name.

You must also affirm that you are not violating any copyrights by uploading the file. The easiest way to do this is to use Template:information in the "Summary" field as described above and select a license from the drop-down menu. Alternatively, add a license template in the "Summary" field, as described above.

Press the "Upload" button to finish the upload. This may take some time if you have a slow Internet connection.

Note: that as with wiki pages, others may edit or delete your uploads if they think it serves the Wikiversity project, and you may be blocked from uploading if you abuse the system.

Note: When overwriting an image file with a new version, you must refresh your browser's cache to see the new image.

Note: Only logged in users can upload files. Once a file is uploaded, other pages can include or link to the file. Uploaded files are given the "Image:" prefix by the system, even if they are not images, and each one has an image description page that can be edited to provide additional information about the media file after it is uploaded.

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 * Uploads and deletions are logged on the upload log.

Multiproject upload
Please consider uploading language-neutral content to the Wikimedia Commons.

It is not possible to use a media file uploaded to the Wikiversity project in another project without re-uploading it. If you want to use (or, if it is likely that others would want to do so) the same media file in more than one Wikimedia Foundation project, you can upload it to Wikimedia Commons and it would become immediately accessible from all Wikimedia projects. Note that Commons only accepts free media (public domain or licensed under a free license). If the media file is fair use, you can't upload it to Commons. For more information see: Sharing images across projects.

Text files
Please do not upload plain text (.txt), Microsoft Word (.doc), or text files in other formats. Instead, please start a new page and input the text using standard wiki formatting.

See also:
 * MediaWiki file usage - Technical storage information
 * instructions at Wikimedia Commons; "Some OpenOffice.org formats: SXW (text), SXI (slides), SXC (spreadsheet)" are allowed.

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User:RodESmith

Rod E. Smith writes a newspaper column that is widely read in South Africa (and has a considerable web following).

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