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User talk:OhanaUnited/Sister Projects Interview

Update: This interview will be published on May 5. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:26, 28 April 2008 (UTC) - I feel like a dumbass. Most information can be found on Wikiversity as a Wikimedia sister project -.- OhanaUnitedTalk page 04:29, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't criticize yourself too fast :-) That page is is thin and does not represent the current state of play. It's true that a few of your questions are a little superficial, but some are good, and there is a lot of thinking and action over here that isn't reflected in the site yet. So interviews would be good. --McCormack 05:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Answers
I filled in a bunch of answers... hope I wasn't jumping the gun! Apologies about the referencing of the bloom clock twice, but it is a good example for the Wikiversity/Wikibooks distinction. Feel free to edit, of course! --SB_Johnny | talk 11:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Licensing?
can this page be licensed like that? "Creative Commons Attribution-Non-Commercial-No Derivative Works" --Remi 04:52, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't want derivative works because that would mean some stranger can change the contents of this interview without the need to identify the change. Would you like to see the following happens?

What is Wikiversity?

Wikiversity is the foundation's youngest branch project, aimed both at creating educational materials and at providing a forum to learn interactively in a wiki environment. Originally part of Wikibooks, it was split off officially in 2006, with the English Wikiversity, Beta, and three other language Wikiversities established in August, 2006.
 * and changed it to

What is Wikiversity?

Wikiversity is the foundation's youngest branch project, aimed at replacing schools and universities (OMGHAXOR!) and at providing a forum to learn interactively in a wiki environment. Originally part of Wikipedia, it was split off officially in 2010, with the English Wikiversity, Beta, and three other language Wikiversities established in August, CE 74.

 * Ok, I admit that kind of change was dramatic. But we all know kids have too much time staying in front of their computers. Such license stops them from mutating the interview. OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:54, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

I think the best way to do this is not with an ND-clause but with page protection. --McCormack 17:27, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Page protection doesn't prevent someone from copying it (and then pasting it somewhere outside of WMF and mutate it) since it's licensed with creative-commons. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:48, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I have a question: why the fear ? I hope you are not too much negatively influenced from other Wikimedia projects.
 * If someone wants to copy and mutate it somewhere else, let them have their fun. If someone wants to do something "bad" (s)he will probably ignore any info written on that page.
 * On the page here at WV we have a version history to see e.g. IP edits. That "trusted" users also could manipulate is true, but probability is probably less. If you didn't know, there are plans to merge the page later on anyways in a text without signatures (to make it look as one WV voice). We are brainstorming right now.
 * Believe me that page is probably watched (by a few custodians) :-) Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 20:14, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Given the licensing, I am probably more inclined to link out to default-licensed content than add original content. Or is no derivative simply the default for Wikipedia Signpost? -- Jtneill - Talk 23:37, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm going to mention all editors who took part in answer the question in the actual page, so you guys need to merge your ideas together. There's no license information regarding Signpost articles. And I'm not talking about WV, I'm talking about what could happen after the interview is published to public. OhanaUnitedTalk page 02:20, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I decided to scrap the CC-nc-nd license and replace it with GFDL to allow copyedit and other various editing. OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:11, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for this, I think its a good move. I'll now be more inclined to flesh out some of the link outs. To keep moving in this direction of openness, I wonder whether the interview could be moved (e.g.,) to something like Sister projects interview 2008 and then we could also help contribute via Vision 2009, Publicity, and continue to work with the content after you've made a copy for signpost. -- Jtneill - Talk 00:34, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that will be unnecessary. It is intended for en.wp Signpost readers. Let's wait until the interview is finalized. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:18, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry we're so difficult :). I hope you have a good amount of editorial freedom, because I think it would be interesting to see the "story" of this interview from your perspective! --SB_Johnny | talk 00:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Voice(s)
Thanks for this initiative, OhanaUnited! However, after reading info here and on Wikipedia, I am still confused as to a number of things:

 * whether the interview is for many people or individual people;
 * if for "many", whether the interview is to be edited before publication to give a single 'voice' (is this what you mean by "merged" above?);
 * if the transcript here is to be published in its entirety (or edited), or whether it is to give material that can be quoted (attributed to a particular person) in a written piece

I'll happily contribute, but I want to clarify these things first. Being as clear about the end product of this interview will allow us to give most useful responses (and, btw, I don't see how conflicting responses are a bad thing - what about saying something like: "there is still debate about whether NPOV is relevant to Wikiversity.."?). Cormaggio talk 13:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Originally, the interview is intended to be completed individually. However, some admins in WV decided to combine the opinions from the community instead of individuals. Yes, the interview needs to be edited to "merge" it into a single voice. Sorry, I don't understand your question in the 3rd point. OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks. My third point asks whether this interview will be published as a whole (or slightly edited) piece, or whether you intended to take quotes from individual interviews and use them to illustrate an article which you would write. Cormaggio talk 16:08, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Interview will be published as a whole. OhanaUnitedTalk page 20:10, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Cormaggio talk 09:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I've done a bit of editing, which has involved writing overviews and introductions to some of these sections. But in doing so, I have been moving towards a voiceless (or, at least, a unified voice) text, whereas it had been a collection of signed comments. I'm still slightly confused about how OhanaUnited wants this formatted. But I'm also curious about what everyone thinks about how this could/should be best managed... Cormaggio talk 19:55, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll clarify this into a question: do we want an, essentially, "NPOV" view of what Wikiversity is; or an article with many "POV"s; or a combination of NPOV and POV? And to further clarify this question, I would see a POV approach having individual contributions clearly stated as individual (signed) perspectives - which, in the "combination" option, would have an opening narrative for each section, and then allowing individuals to fork off from or add nuances to that narrative. Cormaggio talk 12:49, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I haven't have the time to take a look at it due to exams. I'll get back to you by coming Tuesday. OhanaUnitedTalk page 16:33, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It can be slightly POV because this is an interview, but don't push it too far. If it has to be NPOV, it will be a very boring interview. Sometimes a joke or two down in the middle of the interview helps. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:22, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

My opinion
My 3 cents (originally 2 cents, but now 3 due to inflation) is that some sections like "What is Wikiversity's vision?" requires fine tuning. Simply pointing out links to read more isn't attractive. Give at least a small description and THEN lead your audience to click on the link to read more. OhanaUnitedTalk page 14:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you could sort or tag the Q&As based on what your opinion as to whether the responses you've received are (say) satisfactory or incomplete for the intended audience. That way we can get some feedback about where to put effort. Just a thought. -- Jtneill - Talk 00:27, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say wait a bit - I can see what OhanaUnited means - I'll edit this later, and hopefully we can use our collective editing skills to whip it into something interesting, informative, and hopefully inspiring. :-) Cormaggio talk 09:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Publication date
Every project is pushed back by a week (at least). So the earliest publication date is April 21. OhanaUnitedTalk page 22:28, 9 April 2008 (UTC) : Just a friendly reminder. The interview will be submitted on tomorrow. OhanaUnitedTalk page 01:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Seems like it's not ready for publish, I'll push it by one week (but no more) OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:24, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Issues that might come up
Here are few issues that we need to address:
 * Merge everyone's idea into one single response (please try not to ask me to do it myself, I still have exam on Apr. 29, which is the day of publication)
 * merge for all questions done now, will be reviewed by other person(s) also, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 * How are we going to announce who took part in the interview? Just say "a collaboration of Wikiversity users" or list out every editor that took part?
 * I've added an intro sentence to this effect. -- Jtneill - Talk 01:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would like to see it as one voice, not of single persons. Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Switch internal links to transwiki links (i.e. no more blah blah blah, but switch to v:Wikiversity:blah blah blah )
 * Unfortunately v:, wv:, wikiversity: do not work within WV. I've added this to the Colloquium. So, at this stage it may be better to add these after shifting the interview off WV, otherwise we won't know which links are blue/red. -- Jtneill - Talk 01:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Be prepared to update Wikiversity article in Wikipedia, sometimes people may resolve to read that article
 * Well, a page is just a static thing. Wikiversity is one click away. People should make their experiences on the "live" thing. Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Expand your answers instead of merely pointing out links. For example, the 2nd answer on this question is not a good one. If I use this picture, Image:Schooldivdeptstructure.png, along with text, the effect will be much clearer and stronger than just "see this..."
 * Given, the time frame, it may be better to drop some questions for which the answers are incomplete. I've created a section at the end of the interview for Q&As which aren't ready. Others could be shifted there. -- Jtneill - Talk 01:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Carry from previous point, add pictures as necessary. The first interview, Wikisource interview kind of failed because lack of pictures. Pictures generate interest. You guys heard of "a picture can speak for a thousand words", eh?
 * I like this suggestion. -- Jtneill - Talk 01:50, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added some images. Not all are on commons, though, so this is a task to be done. -- Jtneill - Talk 02:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:42, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * And finally, be ready to answer questions from new editors once the publication is live. My Wikisource interviewee told me they received a few new editors as a result of the interview. If all goes well, you guys will have quite a number of new editors arriving.
 * The Colloquium and the Chat are open for requests, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 17:39, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Pushing back a week to allow more time to polish. OhanaUnitedTalk page 18:25, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Transfer completed
The "polished" version is transferred to User:OhanaUnited/Sister Projects Interview/Wikiversity. There are some "dead" images and templates that needs to be fixed. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:10, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I will take care of them, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 19:27, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If someone has the time, the Template could be changed, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 20:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)


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User:Shakunsaini~enwikiversity

Hello and welcome to my user page :)

ShAkUn SaInI *_* 06:39, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:Kevin.w

Bonjour Kevin, I hope you have fun around here. Below more info about Wikiversity, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 09:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
Hello Kevin.w, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold, and see you around Wikiversity! Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 09:15, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

French Mentoring
Salut, Kevin. You are listed at the French stream as being a beginning student of French who is interested in learning French. The French Mentoring project has recently been launched, and if you add your name to that list, I will do my best to put you in contact with an appropriate Mentor who would be glad to help you. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 09:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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Survey design

Overview
This learning resource is about how to design surveys (or questionnaires) in the social sciences.

Surveys are commonly used in psychology, health, marketing, sociology, governance, demographics, and many other disciplinary areas.

Survey research is an efficient way of gathering data to help answer a research question. The main challenge is developing reliable and valid measures and sampling representative data.

Survey design is critical in determining the quality of research. The potential for poor design is vast - whether intentionally on the part of the researcher or unintentionally. For example, watch this 2 min. episode of Yes, Minister about politicians trying to get the poll results they want.

Initial draft survey

 * 1) Create separate sections for each main purpose/research question/hypothesis
 * 2) Within each section, brainstorm ways data about topic/question could be obtained and draft items (questions) which you expect can provide a reliable and valid measure of the target constructs; items may also be obtainable from previous surveys. Start off with lots more possible questions/items (based on the operational definitions) than will actually be used; this way, you can cull and refine, using only the best items
 * 3) For each consider, brainstorm
 * 4) Add an informed consent statement, a coversheet, and an instructions page
 * 5) Get the draft survey critically reviewed by others, then redraft etc.
 * 6) Get assistance with high quality word-processing skills (if you don't have them) to tweak the essay so that it looks professional
 * 7) Pre-test the survey (on convenient others), redraft etc.
 * 8) Pilot test the survey (on target population), redraft etc.
 * 9) Use the survey in a major study

Survey structure

 * 1) Cover letter
 * 2) Informed consent
 * 3) Ethics complaints
 * 4) Sections containing survey questions
 * 5) Personal details / demographics
 * 6) One section per major topic
 * 7) Debrief information

Types of surveys
Types of surveys are:
 * 1) Hard copy
 * 2) Electronic
 * 3) Face to face
 * 4) Telephone

Types of questions
It is surprisingly difficult to develop a "good" survey question or item. Consider each of the following aspects of survey questions, their pros and cons, and with examples:
 * 1) Objective vs. subjective
 * 2) Close-ended vs. open-ended
 * 3) Leading and loaded questions
 * 4) Positive-, negative-, and double-negative-wording

Types of data
Surveys can be used to collect: data.
 * 1) quantitative and/or
 * 2) qualitative

Layout
Jenkins and Dillman (1995 ) suggest these general self-report survey design principles:
 * 1) Use the visual elements of brightness, color, shape, and location in a consistent manner to define the desired navigational path for respondents to follow when answering the questionnaire.
 * 2) When established format conventions are changed in the midst of a questionnaire use prominent visual guides to redirect respondents.
 * 3) Place directions where they are to be used and where they can be seen.
 * 4) Present information in a manner that does not require respondents to connect information from separate locations in order to comprehend it.

Pre-testing and piloting a survey

 * Pre-testing
 * 1) Have a few people you know look over the survey and fill it out; ask for their feedback and suggestions and make relevant changes

 * Pilot testing
 * 1) Arrange for a small group from the target population to complete the survey; analyse their responses, ask for their feedback, and make relevant changes

It is important to understand the purpose of sampling, which is to permit generalization and do so with a tolerable margin of error.

Biases
Several biases may influence the reliability and validity of results, including:
 * 1) Social Desirability Bias
 * 2) Order Effect
 * 3) Fatigue effect
 * 4) Novelty effect
 * 5) Demand characteristics

After designing a survey
Once a survey is designed, gather representative data] via sampling, then conduct data analysis.

There are many possible sampling strategies. It is worth considering their strengths, weaknesses, and applicability to your specific situation:
 * Sampling
 * 1) Random sampling
 * 2) Systematic random sampling
 * 3) Stratified sampling
 * 4) Clustering sampling
 * 5) Convenience sampling

Summary
In summary, a survey research project should exhibit:
 * 1) Clarity of research purposes, research questions and hypotheses
 * 2) Well-worded survey questions, using appropriate response formats and
 * 3) An appropriate sampling method

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Talk:Defense of the resurrection

Nice, I like what I see! this was exactly what I was hopicg would develop here :) --Opensourcejunkie 11:31, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Be careful to include resources when citing scientific or historical evidence, this page has none. Also, be wary of using all inclusive statements like there are no recorded instances of group hallucinations, especially without sources, of course, given the inability to search ALL historical documents EVER it is a claim that should not have been made so generally.

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User:Annzeise~enwikiversity

Hi, I am Ann Zeise, a long-time educator, and currently running the A to Z Home's Cool website, I had the good fortune to meet Teemu at the PARC forum last week, and offered him a ride back to his home. He told me a lot about this project, so I thought I'd swing by, and try to figure out how I could encourage my homeschool community to participate.

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User:Jamesgraham

Hi,

I'm James and I'm here to check out WIKIVERSITY to see what it has to offer.

This is my first "wiki edit." Hopefully I'll be back for more.

james

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User talk:Jamesgraham

Welcome
Hello Jamesgraham, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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User talk:Annzeise~enwikiversity

Welcome
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Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Annzeise. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Annzeise~enwikiversity that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:28, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Pomiculture

Pomiculture is the art and science of growing apples, an occupation that combines both ancient knowledge and cutting-edge agricultural science.

This topic page is intended as an organizational tool for several resources we can develop relating to this subject.

Resources

 * Apples -- a Wikibook (currently in stub stage) cataloging all of the extant cultivars of apples. There are hundreds, if not thousands of these today, though many varieties have disappeared as many orchards have become large commercial ventures growing only the most common apples.
 * Graft Compatibility of Apples -- a possible research project to test graft compatibility between modern rootstocks and cultivar scions.
 * Bloom Clock/Apples -- an extension of the bloom clock reporting bloom times of various apple cultivars: data may suggest new pollination pairings.
 * Invertebrate Clock/Apples -- an extension of the invertebrate clock for tracking apple pests and matching phenological cues.
 * Cookbook:Apple -- for collection of apple recipes.

To do list

 * 1) Write and distribute an outreach flyer
 * 2) Announce on Wikipedia, Commons, Wikibooks (after flyer is created and uploaded)
 * 3) Wikipedia: WP:PLANTS, WP:FARM, WP:FOOD
 * 4) Commons: COM:PLANTS, COM:VP

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User talk:NorthernLine

Salut NorthernLine, welcome on board. I hope you have fun around here. Below more info about Wikiversity, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 15:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
Hello NorthernLine, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold, and see you around Wikiversity! Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 15:45, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

French Mentoring
Salut, NorthernLine. You are listed at the French stream as being a beginning student of French with prior French-language experience, who is interested in learning French at Wikiversity. The French Mentoring project has recently been launched, and if you add your name to that list, I will do my best to put you in contact with an appropriate Mentor who would be glad to help you. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 09:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

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Wikiversity talk:Draft policy on religious content

Discussion from author's page
the following contains pertinent parts of the thread from the initial draft's author's page (wow that's a mouthful) --Opensourcejunkie 11:47, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Draft Questions
Hey, I'm most of the way done the first draft, but I want to include a couple more things, not the least of which is a section on unacceptable content. Is there any system at present for marking potentially unacceptable content? I know Wikipedia has a series of templates; do we have anything comparable? I couldn't find anything on Policies. --Opensourcejunkie 11:42, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I suggest that to continue this draft, we look at some possible problem cases and see how policy would cope (or would have to be developed to cope) with them. A good policy on religious content will be difficult. (1) The Ásatrú religion, which seems to really exist, but has alleged controversial political associations - to what extent could WV be a platform for teaching the tenets of this religion (not informing about, which is what an encyclopedia does, but teaching). (2) Many of the world's "great" religions have had sects in the past which have engaged in practices which seriously offend against what we might call "universal moral values" (so far as they exist) - e.g. flagellation, cannibalism, suicide. The trend in American prisons to invent or rediscover such sects and then sue the prisons under freedom of religion laws is an example of the abuse of one legal rule to evade another. Surely, again, it is one thing to inform about, another to teach these religions. Would a simple disclosure box be adequate? (3) Hinduism, in its mainstream form, includes the caste system and arranged marriages - can we teach these things as well as informing about them? Surely teaching involves an element of persuasion, or at least an intent that the learner should accept the truth of what is being taught. Do you see this as an issue? Should we be setting up a gatekeeper system here for what can acceptably be taught? Or is a mere disclosure box adequate? --McCormack 12:21, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the feedback; I can definitely see your point. I was actually going to post a justification of the draft's (initial) neutral stance on the discussion page - I just haven't gotten around to it yet.  So, I'll post one here that I can later morph on over to the disc. page.

 * My reservation with a gatekeeper system is that it relies upon, as you noted, a "universal morality". Now I personally believe that there is, fundamentally, a universal morality among humans.  However finding one that every religion/sect outwardly agrees upon is, as far as I can tell, fairly intractable.  Even the much acclaimed commonality of "love" between religions is not universal; I once read about a tribe in South America that endorses hatred and individuality instead.  No, the fact that such a gatekeeper system is necessary demonstrates well that there are groups in disagreement with majority morality.

 * Thus in order to enforce such a system, we would have to exclude fringe viewpoints, and frankly I'm concerned that such exclusion will hinder the advancement of Wikiversity. Take for instance what JWSchmidt said on the discussion of scholarly ethics: "we know from our history that important ideas initially arising as minority points of view are sometimes eventually adopted by the vast majority once those ideas have a chance to be explored and understood. Many great ideas start out as fragile ideas that need to be protected. If we fully support the search for knowledge then scholars need to be given the freedom to explore and discuss unusual and unpopular ideas."

 * An obvious example would be evolution. If Wikiversity were around in the time of Darwin, would his Origin of Species have been accepted here?  "Universal morality" (at least in western culture) was predominantly Judeo-Christian; thus an anti-Creation (translated anti-God) work would likely have been discarded.  In the pursuit of unbridled knowledge, can we really afford to install such censure?  For all we know, society's morality may change in the upcoming years to include flagellation, suicide, or (God forbid) cannibalism.  (With the advent of Euthanasia, we may not be far from accepting suicide).

 * Thus I decided in the draft (and of course this is subject to change with the flow of consensus) to disallow any restrictions on the type of religion written about. The gatekeeper then lies downstream, at the requirement for scholarship (which will hopefully be objectively defined).  If a fringe religion/cult can write persuasively from a scholarly standpoint, then I cannot see how censuring it will further the goals of Wikiversity, let alone scholarship in general.  My opinion, anyway :-)

 * --Opensourcejunkie 15:32, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Gatekeeping
On the whole WP is very tolerant as regards gatekeeping and accepts pretty well all the examples I gave above. However WP draws the line (for example) at religious articles of a "my latest guru" style - i.e. when a guy comes along and someone else (or perhaps the guy himself) declares him a religious leader of a new religion and decides to use Wikimedia projects to proclaim his message. Where would you stand on WV's acceptance of religious articles on religions and topics that WP refuses? --McCormack 16:13, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Has anyone ever told you that you reply incredibly quickly? It's uncanny!

 * To be completely honest, I'm not sure where I stand. Mostly that's because I only have a fuzzy, incomplete picture of what people perceive Wikiversity to be.  In my few travels to discussion pages, I have read analogies similar to the idea of a Greek philosopher on a hill, dialoguing with whomever comes to him.  Such a model of Wikiversity would allow for new ideas, unsubstantiated by third-party sources.  In the same quote I mentioned above, JWSchmidt continues, "Fragile new ideas are not subject to verifiability in the traditional way that Wikipedia editors verify sources and citations."  Some people seem to see Wikiversity as a place to foster and research new ideas that may or may not have verifiable reliable sources attached to them.

 * At other times people seem more concerned with Wikiversity's reputation with respect to the outside world, as well as the other Wikimedia projects. Allowing Joe Thinksalot to come onto Wikiversity and just reel off his opinions can certainly denigrate people's perception of our scholarship, and this is exactly what an open-gate policy (such as the one I've written) would allow.

 * I have a tentative idea as to my stance on the matter - may I emphasize tentative; my perception of Wikiversity is as "under construction" as much of its policies. To answer your question outright, I do not believe that Wikiversity should define its acceptance policies based on those of Wikipedia; we have different goals (we obviously breach policy by merely breaching NPOV and NOR).  That being said, we have similar goals in that we both want to produce high quality, scholarly content.  Thus I think that we can elicit many lessons from studying (and adapting) Wikipedia's policies.

 * Personally, I sway more toward the "philosopher on a hill" perception of allowing new ideas, both unverifiable and obscure. I mostly tend this way because academia tend that way; it's how knowledge advances (in our current system).  Yet in spite of the openness to new ideas, universities are able to maintain a high level of scholarship; in fact they define scholarship.  How are they able to balance openness to ideas with close mindedness toward unscholarly works?  I think that the key to organizing Wikiversity's policies lies in understanding Academia's policies.

 * Without claiming to understand completely academia's solution, I will make a stab at it.
 * Academic publishing is subject to peer review
 * Peer review is performed by people familiar with the subject area (i.e. people who study mathematics don't judge the scholarship of a psychological study)
 * Each subject area has a set of criteria that help to objectively judge a work's scholarship.

 * I suspect that if we mimic the solution provided above, we may be able to enforce scholarship on all the Joe Thinksalot's of Wikiversity. Here's one possible solution:
 * If a learning plan's scholarship is called into question, a "peer review template" is placed at the top of the page/section. (the template would automatically place the page in a "peer review" category to make it easier for reviewers to find)
 * The community at large (or perhaps one of the subject matter experts / "referees" mentioned at Review board) would then classify the type of work (e.g. religious primary source/OR), and analyse it according to a set of criteria developed for that specific classification.
 * If consensus thus deems the work "unscholarly", either in whole or in part, it will then be subject to removal or revision.

 * It's one approach at any rate. I suppose I present it to demonstrate that there are methods to ensure that self-proclaimed philosophers etc. can be forced to do scholarly work.  Those who do not conform their writings to provided standards will be frustrated away, leaving the good philosophers to generate new ideas, and thus further the quest for knowledge.  (Of course I believe that all the philosophical knowledge one could ever need can be found in scripture, but that's just me :-D ) --Opensourcejunkie 17:26, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Would Darwin have been accepted by WV?
I hope so. One of the ideas I've been playing with (in a very formative sense) is that for science-related topics, there should be something like a fringe science percentage quota. For example, policy could state that no more than 10% of resources on a specific topic can be "fringe", and the fringe resources are tagged as such. The result of such a rule would be that if somebody wanted to add their latest fringe theory and the quota had been reached, they would have to add about 9 mainstream educational resources first. In other words, fringe theorists (who often know a lot about mainstream stuff as well) would be motivated to contribute primarily (boring) mainstream stuff. A rule like that would have allowed in Darwin. --McCormack 16:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What an innovative way to ensure quality! It attacks the issue from a direction that I never would have thought of.

 * How would that work from a technological standpoint? Would the author need to place the publication in a "fringe" category, upon which the quota was placed? --Opensourcejunkie 17:39, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

 * At the moment it's just an idea. But yes, it would depend on tagging (and therefore categorisation) of fringe material. A template would go onto any such resource, automatically categorising it. The idea behind this is complex. People want to post fringe material on Wikimedia projects because Wikimedia has a (good-ish) reputation and you can be seen there; but the reputation of Wikimedia projects turns on the mainstream stuff; by ensuring that fringe material remains on the edge and that the core is still strong, the fringe authors gain. --McCormack 20:15, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Unique content?
I think this policy should concentrate on what unique Wikiversity policy is specific and pertaining to religious content. Currently, for example, there is no religious-specific content in the Draft policy on religious content and therefore I would suggest this content get moved to NPOV. The religious content policy can then reference NPOV. I'm personally of the view that there is nothing unique about religious content which isn't covered by other policies. If we go creating special policy for religious content, then do we also need special policy for scientific content, etc.?? -- Jtneill - Talk 10:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I agree that the current draft hasn't yet got to grips with specifically religion-related issues on acceptable and unacceptable teaching and learning materials. However I hope that the draft will get there, and I have left a post on the author's talk page to keep the ball rolling in the right direction. The second of the issues you raise (jtneill) is an implied slippery slope argument about the number of NPOV sub-policies we will require - i.e. you argue "if we have one subject-related sub-policy, we'll need an indefinite number" (or something like that). I think the answer here is quite clear: in the history of education, the relation of religion and education has been by far the most difficult of all, and so there is an absolutely clear case for a policy here. And yes, we will probably also need a policy on something around the area of science/research/fringe issues as well, but perhaps not quite so dramatically necessary; and after that I don't see any candidates for further subject-related special policies. --McCormack 16:13, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Yeah, the NPOV section was created more to review the principles of NPOV than to write a policy on them. I'm curious as to why Wikiversity doesn't contain its own NPOV policy (WV:NPOV redirects to disclosures, which barely defines it, although it does refer to the definition at Meta).  The NPOv policy on Wikipedia is WP-specific, and the one on Meta leaves much to be desired. --Opensourcejunkie 12:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

cruelty/hate/violence/illegal acts
What if someone's religion promotes cruelty/hate/violence/illegal acts? How would this policy apply to them? --Remi 19:09, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I talked about this on opensourcejunkie's talk page. The moral problem here is quite great, particularly where mainstream religion promotes controversial behaviour - Hinduism's caste system and arranged marriages are a case in point. --McCormack 20:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

 * The discussion on my talk page has been moved here, and I'm hoping to get some feedback on it. I tried to argue in favor of allowing such religions on WV, but if consensus decides to exclude them, I'll work on an exceptions clause. (or someone else can :-) --Opensourcejunkie 12:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Definition of scholarly works
I added a working definition of "scholarly" (as pertains to religious works) to the policy, to provide a set of objective criteria that can be used to weed out "unscholarly" religious material. I suspect that the definition is vastly insufficient in that it (A) probably doesn't specify all major categories of scholarly religious writings, and (B) probably doesn't specify adequate criteria for scholarship. However it's a working draft, and if anyone else can think of objective criteria for evaluating religious scholarship, please, add it. Or perhaps the issues faced in the future will help define what is scholarly and what isn't.
 * --Opensourcejunkie 15:35, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Gatekeeper based on WV goals
I installed a slight amount of censure at the beginning of the page: "A religion may be written about individually, or in comparison to others, with no limit to its type, number of constituents, or general acceptance among a population, except when such writings disrupt or destroy the Wikiversity learning environment"

I realize that this falls very short of excluding religions with questionable morality, so I'm sure it won't be enough. But perhaps it's a step in the "right" direction?

I am not opposed to this censure, because it appeals to the goals of Wikiversity rather than the ever-fluctuating "universal morality". Because of that, the policy is less likely to be challenged in the future than one based on shifting sands.

 * --Opensourcejunkie 12:32, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment
I think something like this is important, but I think improvements need to still be made and it's very important that we be both very clear and very careful with what we put here. One thing I find troubling is the chart at the bottom discussing hamsters; how are the second and third examples different in terms of scholarly tone? Neither are scholarly, IMO. As a matter of fact, none of the examples given use scholarly language—"coolness" is not something that has been systematized for animals AFAIK. The Jade Knight 05:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Proselytizing
I would say that there should probably be a specific mention that proselytizing is not allowed as part of any project, as a NPOV violation. Otherwise, it seems likely that someone will go through the motions of declaring their biases only to write something primarily designed to convert others to their beliefs. Sχeptomaniacχαιρετε 19:51, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * NPOV is not a Wikiversity policy. I favor an MPOV approach.  The Jade Knight (d'viser) 20:07, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should ban proselyting, as there's a very fine (and highly POV) line between simply informing someone about a religion from an emic perspective, and proselyting. However, we do need to be careful about it.  I am worried that if much proselyting goes on here, then anti- projects will spring up to counteract the proselyting and Wikiversity will end up like every other religious forum which is devoted to hot-headed apologetics and bashing.  I don't want to see that here.  The Jade Knight (d'viser) 20:13, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That's one half of my concern. The other half is that, if we don't specifically say "no" to proselytizing, we'll attract editors more interested in a free platform than scholarly work.
 * I agree that it's not going to always be clear-cut, but I think we should still state, in one way or another, that projects should not be primarily devoted to proselytizing. The community can make the decision as to whether something is over that fuzzy line or not. After all, there's going to have to be some kind of regular forum for comments as to whether projects created here are within the scope of WV's purpose, anyway. Sχeptomaniacχαιρετε 22:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Whatever we draft, we should make sure that it doesn't hinder those whose intention is simply to provide an emic perspective on their religion. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 00:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


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This is my temporary space for the translations of the subchapters of Romance of the Three Kingdoms from Wikisource until the import problem is fixed, see here.

Until I get the pages imported to WV it will be the mere German translation for now to get me into the topic for the reading group Romance of the Three Kingdoms (by Luo Guanzhong). After the import I will add it in a table at the imported page (see here how this looks like).

=Kapitel 1=

Karte
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Titel: Drei tapfere Männer legen beim Festmahl im Pfirsich-Garten einen Treueschwur ab, die erste Leistung unserer Helden ist die Bezwingung der Gelben Turbane.

Es ist eine allgemeine Binsenwahrheit dieser Welt, dass alles, was lange geteilt war, sicherlich vereint sein wird und alles, was lang vereint ist, sicherlich geteilt werden wird. Am Ende der Zhou-Dynastie wetteiferten sieben Königreiche um die Vorherrschaft und wurden Teil der Qin-Dynastie. Auf die gleiche Weise - nachdem die Qin-Dynastie zerstört war - wetteiferten Chu und Han um die Vorherrschaft und wurden Teil der Han-Dynastie. Die Han-Dynastie hatte über ein geeintes Imperium geherrscht, seitdem Kaiser Gaozu eine weisse Schlange gespalten hatte. Danach wurde die Kontrolle über das Imperium über Generationen hinweg erhalten bis zur Zeit von Kaiser Han Xiandi, woraufhin das Kaiserreich in drei Reiche aufgeteilt wurde. Wenn man die Ursprünge des Niedergangs der Han-Dynastie zurückverfolgen wollte, müsste man mit Kaiser Han Huandi und Kaiser Han Lingdi beginnen. Kaiser Han Huandi verhaftete viele talentierte Männer und hob die Palast-Eunuchen in den Himmel. Dann starb Kaiser Han Huandi und Kaiser Han Lingdi bestieg den Thron. Heerführer Dou Wu und Großminister Chen Fan waren zwei seiner engsten Berater. Als Eunuchen wie Cao Jie ihre Macht zu missbrauchen begannen, schmiedeten Dou Wu und Chen Fan die Ermordung der Haupt-Eunuchen. Jedoch wurde das Geheimnis enthüllt und stattdessen wurden Dou Wu und Chen Fan ermordet. Seitdem wurden die Eunuchen verdorbener als je zuvor.

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Wikiversity talk:Rollback

Before this edit, this policy didn't even have any discussion about it. Did the discussion/vote that lead to community consensus happen elsewhere? If so where? --darklama 18:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing it was a unilateral decision. The Jade Knight 04:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * A quick check shows that it was indeed so—JWSchmidt evidently thought that this should be policy, and so he unilaterally made it policy. A review is indeed in order.  The Jade Knight 04:32, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * How should we go about this? Emesee 04:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
 * You are correct that there was no vote. If The Jade Knight is correct about this history, this would be the second known occasion on which JWSchmidt unilaterally made something policy (see also: Custodianship, where User:Mu301 originally drew attention to its status change). --McCormack 06:29, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

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 * becoming an official policy though I am happy to consider any changes that might be proposed to make it more acceptable to others. Adambro 14:16, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * this is pretty clearcut and describes existing practice. --mikeu talk 14:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree, this is standard policy, sooner or later when this place becomes more widely known there will be a few bored students looking to cause some mischief. Lysander89 08:55, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * layout structure reorganized --Gbaor 08:03, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * layout looks good, it's simple without a lot of WV jargon and should explain the policy pretty well to newcomers. Trinity507 23:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I have some coments below. More page-organizational than content issues, but I feel that these could make the policy clearer. --Gbaor 09:08, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Comments
Comments moved from Colloquium

I think this is both a dangerous and redundant tool. Dangerous in that it allows minimal debate before making edits disappear, possibly while destroying other edits that might be important to the consistency of the page, and redundant in that you can get the same effect with the Undo button, but only on an edit by edit basis.

I first became aware of the danger, when a friend edited my page, in a session while I was also editing it. She being picky about the nature of her edits, undid her own work, and at the same time, undid a formatting edit that I had done.

Not knowing exactly what the rollback button is supposed to do, I worry that the user it rolls back to, might not be the last edit before the vandal editing started, or that a useful edit might be lost in the rollback. However I can see in the recent edit war, with a certain user who will remain nameless, because we are still not sure he is gone, how you might want to revert copious quantities of edits, or an edit that destroys the content of the page. Recently I have seen a number of entries reverting edits to a previous stage, and have not been able to comment on them because there is no remaining evidence as to what was removed at my level as a user. I believe there should be some way of telling what was rolled back, else it is possible that the rollback feature could be used to stifle debate, as was attempted once or twice during the recent event by the user being censored.

Recent comments by other users, have indicated that policies like this are open to attack for arbitrariness of the decision to revert. Whether or not these attacks are valid, they tear at the trust structure needed for collaborative work. I think there is a step missing, perhaps a page that shows before and after images of each page involved in rollback. When the rollback button is pushed, it should post diffs of both versions of the page, on this central page for comment. Most of the time we will probably agree that the rollbacks were necessary, but if there is a discussion about a particular edit, everyone can look at the diffs, and comment on them allowing debate where the decision might have been labeled arbitrary.

This change in policy might not be as good an idea, as I think it is, especially in the case where vandalism results in profanity, objectionable content or harassment, but it could be a time limited offer allowing time for debate before the data is hidden.--Graeme E. Smith 16:04, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

 * "I believe there should be some way of telling what was rolled back" - Please take a look at or  or  and then click on ← Older edit a couple of times.  You will see that nothing is ever "lost" by the use of rollback as the rollbacked edits remain in the page history.  In the session that you describe is sounds like there was an edit conflict and not rollback.  The wiki has difficulty preserving the saves of two people who attempt to edit at the same moment, but this has nothing to do with the use of rollback.  The rollback tool only removes edits from a single user, so if you were the last person to edit the page before someone else vandalised it then your edit would not be removed.  In practice rollback is very little used, since we don't usually get that much vandalism.  But, when a serial vandal does strike, the rollback tool is very usefull.  As far as a "change in policy" the current page describes how rollback has been used and this is just an official statement of that.  Please have a closer look at how this tool works and you will see that the concerns you have described do not apply to what this tools does.  See meta:Help:Reverting for details.  --mikeu talk 16:43, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

 * I am sure you are right, that nothing is ever lost, in a rollback, but that is not the same as saying that everything is accessible to a naive user, or that attacks on the administrators can't be made by people who have ulterior motives, that destroy the trust of the users, because they (the users) can't see that the rollback was required, when they look at the pristene new page. I suppose a certain amount of bickering is to be expected between competing wiki's, but I have noticed that the proponents of two different wiki's have both attacked the administers of this wiki, possibly hoping to attract more custom to their own.

 * It is interesting to note that when you move an argument from one page to another, like this discussion was, there is no past history, that I know of, that tells what the full text of the original discussion said, which seems to allow the dropping of some aspects to the discussion that might be controversial. You would have to go back to the original page and do the previous edit thing until you found the original text to tell. The longer from the time of the original edit that you do this, the more likely you will be to quit trying after a while, if only because the edit will fall off the page, and get buried in the past.--Graeme E. Smith 15:23, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course, if rollback is used content can be removed from the current version of a page, however, that action is recorded in the page's history and the previous version can still be accessed. In this respect, there is no real difference between someone editing a page manually and removing some content or using the undo feature.
 * As you note, as I've moved some of the earlier comments to this page, only my addition of those comments appears in the history for this page. Someone certainly could drop some of the comments as part of that process but it is very unlikely in my view. Something I'll often do but didn't in this instance is to link to version of the page where the comments are being moved from. In this case that was http://en.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=Wikiversity:Colloquium&oldid=490966#Wikiversity:Rollback. By working through that page's history, anyone can discover who added the comments and when. This probably isn't an ideal system, alternatives have been proposed but have yet to reached a stage where they can be implemented, but it does work for the most part. Adambro 16:00, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

What to improve
Oh! Edit conflict :) Anyway: What do you think? --Gbaor 17:11, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "Any other mechanism for reverting edits that does not involve providing an edit summary specific for each reversion should also only be used for obvious vandalism." => this sentence could be simplified to "Any other mechanism for reverting edits that does not involve without providing an edit summary specific for each reversion should also only be used for should be used just in case of obvious vandalism."
 * 2 lines after "Use of the rollback tool" move right to the beginning to the introduction part - this IS about the rollback
 * the 2 subheadings unify under "Not obvious vandalism" and "Obvious vandalism" - rollback is for the obvious one, but later it has to be clarified in what cases it should not be used.
 * Maybe specify these under "When not-to-use rollback": Edit wars + unexperienced editors (for now)
 * Maybe specify these under "When not-to-use rollback": Edit wars + unexperienced editors (for now)

 * These changes sound fine to me, and will make the text clearer. --mikeu talk 12:58, 13 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest Gbaor goes ahead an makes the changes he is suggesting. It will probably be easier for us to consider changes that have been made rather than proposed changes. I doubt though based upon my impression that the changes would have any material impact on the policy and so it is unlikely they would change anyone's general opinion of the policy. Adambro 17:42, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

✅ - no changes in the meaning of the text, just reorganization to make the structure of the policy clearer --Gbaor 08:01, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me. Adambro 11:41, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

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This policy is currently the subject of a Community Review. --JWSchmidt 15:37, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

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See comments at Wikiversity:Requests for Deletion. It has been suggested that this should be expanded to more general advice, rather than being specific to a  particular place. That is part of the reason that the first article was deleted. The earlier article can be restored if someone would like to incorporate the text into a more general page here. --mikeu talk 20:53, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

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I live in the high desert wilderness of Arizona. I've spent the last ten years in solitude dancing my joy and studying the ancient scriptures of Buddhism,Taoism,Sufism and other esoteric religions. I respect all religions and spiritual beliefs and hold a Doctor of Divinity degree. I'm currently working on the mystical aspects of solitude and intuition. A yogin is a male yogi (female would be yogini) yogi's practice yoga, which is not limited to 'physical yoga'  but also includes spiritual or meditation yoga. I began a full time practice of mystical contemplation when I was 48, and moved here in 1997. I live a simple life that's steeped in nature and the wonderment of inner solitude.

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Daniel Massaguer

BsC in Computer Science by the University of Girona

MS in Electrical Engineering and Computer Science by the University of California, Irvine

PhD candidate in Information and Computer Science by the University of California, Irvine

webpage: http://www.ics.uci.edu/~dmassagu

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maybe to template namespace... --Remi 04:41, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

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Hello Saschm, thank you very much for your offer. I am sure people will gladly accept this. Below more info about Wikiversity, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 13:30, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

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Instructional design/Learning objectives/Examples and Non-Examples of Conditions Phrases/Yes I answered both correctly

1. Which of these conditions is a bad example? ...With reference to the Volkswagen technical manual, ...After the student solves ten problems using Ohm's Law, ...Given a United States Map with the capitals and states,

Remember that the condition phrase does not describe anything that leads up to the performance, such as any instructional activity or teaching strategy. The student solving ten problems describes an activity, it does not describe any resources that the learner will or will not be provided to accomplish the behavior.

2. Which of these is the best example of a good condition? ...Given a book, ...After the instructor's lecture on protons and neutrons, ...Given the periodic table of elements,

The purpose of a condition phrase for the learning objective is to clarify the main intent and to prevent any misunderstanding regarding the performance. "Given a book" is not specific enough and may cause confusion (which book?). " After the instructor's lecture..." describes what the instructor will do, not what the learner will accomplish.

Your Explanation

Please select edit on this frame and explain why you selected the answers you did. Keep in mind the questions you should ask yourself to help create condition descriptions from the previous page.

reason for answer to question 1: does not specify which ten problems. Bad condition.

reason for answer to question 2: this answer is specific - it refers to the "Periodic Table of Elements"

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Instructional design/Learning objectives/Examples and Non-Examples of Conditions Phrases/No I answered one or both incorrectly

Lets look at the condition answers and consider the questions to help describe conditions below. When deciding how to word conditions some questions that will help to describe the condition are:
 * What tools, resources, and job aids will the learner be allowed to use?
 * What will the learner not be allowed to use?
 * Under what conditions will the desired performance occur?

1. Which of these conditions is a bad example? ...With reference to the Volkswagen technical manual, ...After the student solves ten problems using Ohm's Law, ...Given a United States Map with the capitals and states,

Remember that the condition phrase does not describe anything that leads up to the performance, such as any instructional activity or teaching strategy. The student solving ten problems describes an activity, it does not describe any resources that the learner will or will not be provided to accomplish the behavior.

2. Which of these is the best example of a good condition? ...Given a book, ...After the instructor's lecture on protons and neutrons, ...Given the periodic table of elements,

The purpose of a condition phrase for the learning objective is to clarify the main intent and to prevent any misunderstanding regarding the performance. "Given a book" is not specific enough and may cause confusion (which book?). " After the instructor's lecture..." describes what the instructor will do, not what the learner will accomplish.

Can you think of two other ways to state a condition for this type of objective?

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Instructional design/Learning objectives/Using Sample Test Items

Jacksojt - I am not sure this needs to be put in the condition

Jdeimel - I don't have Mager's book with me but this is from his section on conditions

Sample Test Items
The second method of adding a condition to an objective is to include what Mager calls a "test item." Rather than explicitly stating the conditions as part of the objective, you can include a sample test item that illustrates what the learner needs to do. This approach is beneficial when there are multiple ways for assessing the desired behavior.

For example -

Objective: When shown a Spanish verb, be able to conjugate (write) the correct tense of the verb in Spanish.

Sample Test Item: The Learning Spanish workbook contains a list of Spanish verbs. After the instructor selects the verb, he/she will write the verb on the white board along with the verb tense the learner needs to conjugate. the learner conjugate (write down on a piece of paper) the verb in the appropriate tense, with correct spelling and punctuation.

However, this does not mean that you should add sample test items to every objective you write. Mager suggests stating the desired behavior and adding a sample test item when the intent of the objective becomes convoluted with too many words. Remember to use as many words as necessary to make the intent of the objective clear to the learner.

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What actually happens in radioactive disintegration?
--61.1.93.74 16:04, 4 January 2008 (UTC) What actually happens in radioactive disintegration?

 * There are two types of "radioactive disintegration":

 * Radioactive decay:

 * Decay cause: According to Radioactivity, radioactive decay is caused by "quantum vacuum fluctuations".

 * Decay result: The atom is changed to one with a lower atomic mass (in some cases it can actually have a higher atomic number, though, since some of the heavier isotopes of one atom may have a higher mass than the lighter isotopes of an atom with a higher atomic number). One or more particles are also emitted, such as a beta particle in beta decay.

 * Nuclear reactions (fission and fusion are both nuclear reactions, but only fission could be called "disintegration"):

 * Fission cause: The atom is struck by another atom or particle.

 * Fission result: The atom is split into atoms with lower atomic masses, possibly with one or more particle also emitted. StuRat 17:05, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

http://www.particleadventure.org/Eadthem 14:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Free CD Ripping software
Does anyone know of a free CD ripping software that will rip the songs from a CD into MP3 format? Or alternatively is there a software that can convert wma to mp3. --Devourer09 02:23, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I believe Nero Ultra will perform the first task. Nero comes free with many products (I got it with my CD-RW drive), but I don't think it's free in general. StuRat 05:12, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Is there a place where I can download it? --Devourer09 21:53, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Another option is to use an internet search engine - you might specify in the keywords also the operating system you wish the software to work. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 22:06, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I found my answer. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CDRipping --Devourer09 22:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Which Photoshop tool?
Which Photoshop tool do I see people using to sketch manga in these videos? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DI-HkDklwU0&feature=related I want to learn to draw manga in Photoshop but none of them ever tell me which tool and what setting to use it at and so forth. --Devourer09 03:07, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

What song?
What song is played in this video and by who? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRMn1tj5-Nc --Devourer09 07:20, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Def Beat - Junkie XL Countrymike 06:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Programming, IPO Chart: What are Processes?
I'm just about at my wit's end. Other than a mathematical computations, what else qualifies as a process? I've been trying to get this question answered for weeks (not here, obviously) and cannot find a list of processes. I know this is as fundamental as it gets and, yet, I have been unable to find the answer. Are the following considered processes:

Get User Input

Declare Variable as String, Real, or Integer

Echo-printing

Searching

--Filaminae 06:36, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I looked at a tutorial here: . According to that, it's all about subroutines/functions/modules for a program.  That is, any input to the subroutine is called an I, any output is called an O, and whatever the subroutine actually does is a P (process).  So, looking through your examples:

"Get User Input" would be a process, yes, if you call a subroutine to do that. It's not listed as an I, because what the user inputs isn't actually sent to the subroutine as an input when it's first called.

"Declare Variable as String, Real, or Integer" would be part of a process, but probably not the entire process. It would be unusual to call a subroutine just to do that. An exception might be defining a string in C, where it's difficult enough to actually justify a subroutine just to do that (as you can tell, I'm not a big fan of C).

"Echo-printing" would be part of a process, at the least. You could have a subroutine set to read input from a file and then print it out. You could also have a subroutine set up just to do print outs of input variables sent to the subroutine.

"Searching" would be a process, yes. Searching a database, file structure, etc., is complex enough that you would normally want to have a subroutine dedicated to just that. StuRat 16:57, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

If this is wikiversity, cAN I GET A DEGREE HERE
user got a response on User talk:68.224.117.152, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 19:25, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

 * And here is the link. StuRat 21:48, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Clinic in India
Hi I'm a Pediatrician from India and am a part of a team of doctors setting up a 'not-for-profit' hematology care centre. Initially we plan to start off services for hemophiliacs and thalassemics in Karnataka, India. Any suggestions on how to sustain and expand our services? --Drsim 16:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Karnataka is one of the wealthier states in India, so many people, but likely not all, should be able to afford treatment. I'm not familiar with the degree to which the government provides funding for the uninsured in India, but hopefully they can pick up the slack.

 * You might want to research other clinics like yours, especially those that failed, to find out what they would do differently if they had to do it all over again. I would think that it would be important to define precisely which services your clinic will and won't provide, to prevent "creep", where the clinic gradually takes on more and more and eventually becomes overwhelmed. StuRat 03:43, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

almost totally confused
--196.38.218.25 10:18, 15 February 2008 (UTC) I'm a 76-year-old grandpa, trying to write short stories and learn "computers".There's so much to learn and screens are sooo cluttered and unappealling and uninviting I think my name is Edward Tennant, Cape Town. wots a cookie?

 * As for cluttered screens, think of them like the dashboard of a car. There's lots of controls there, but most of them you rarely need to use, like the treble dial on the radio.  You just need to find a few common items that you will actually use on a regular basis, and memorize those.

 * A cookie stores some info about your computer settings on your computer. For example, if you are playing a game, it might save your player name, password, level, equipment, etc., for the next time you play the game, so it doesn't have to start over at the beginning.  If you are browsing a medical web site, it might save your user name, password, medical conditions you've asked about, and medications you've asked about, so the next time you use the site they can provide info pertinent to your interests.  In this case, cookies could provide a potential privacy concern.  See cookie (computers) for more info. StuRat 14:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

morphological neural networks for face recognition
--Krishna405 12:58, 16 February 2008 (UTC) my question is how morphology related to neural networks ?

what are thr applications of above named project?

what are the basic operations of neural networks?

what is meant by training in neural networks?

what is meant by testing in neural network?

there are two blocks in this type face reognition one isfeature extraction and feature classification. what is purpose of classification?

more related link to this project?

can i have chance to get exact or appropriate data for this project through any wikipedia links

 * See neural network. StuRat 16:38, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Posted by anonymous ip
What businesses were near ancient roman farms? -anonymous ip

 * If the farms grew grain, I imagine it might be useful to have a mill nearby to grind the grain into flour. If they were dairy farms, they might want a facility nearby where they could churn the milk into butter.  If they were grape farms, they might want wine cellars nearby where they could bottle and age the grape juice.  If they were olive farms, they might want a facility nearby to press the olives to produce olive oil. StuRat 22:14, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

What is there?
I'm a new comer to Wikiversity could anyone explain what can i do, on wikipedia, i'm known as Terra. --Terra 18:00, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Welcome, you have on your talk page some info. Would be nice, if you have a look there and tell us what you would like to do here then. Please don't misunderstand the short answer Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 18:34, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I can say through the Browse page i'm good with IT, but however i'm hoping i could help out with maintenance tasks such as reverting vandalism, new page patrol or patrol the recent changes those are what i'm strong with doing, adding info or other content to articles i'm a  bit cautious about doing that's why i've never created articles on wikipedia. Terra 19:03, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
 * A helping hand is always welcome. About being cautious: it is a wiki, so just be bold - if something would go wrong it can be repaired. Have fun around here, Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 20:48, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Just out of interest is there any user scripts which i could use, because over on wikipedia, on my user which is User:Terra there was a selection of different types of scripts like warning tabs, New pages being uploaded and others is there any over on wikiversity. Terra What do you want? 19:44, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Astronomy question
When did Olympus Mons last erupt? Thanks, --Laleena 23:34, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

 * Olympus_Mons says it last erupted more than 2 million years ago, which would make it an extinct volcano (at least by Earth standards). StuRat 01:51, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:Moggy~enwikiversity

Hello, have fun around here. Below more info about Wikiversity, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
Hello Moggy, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold, and see you around Wikiversity! Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 16:20, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

The term "Power" in International Relations
Hello, seems you were interrupted while editing - I continued a little. We would happy if you add more. Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 11:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

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User:Moggy~enwikiversity

My specialist subjects are International Relations theory and Philosophy, I also have an interest in Strategic Studies and Law.

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