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User talk:Mu301/Archive 2009

Tasks
Hi, yeasterday, you were posting me some pages I may study. But I had a difficulty to find them. Could you next time place a task list on my talk page instead of IRC, please. Thanks.--Juandev 19:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Draft of a Working Paper for Education
Hi, and thanks for being so good about helping me around Wikiversity! I've contested the deletion of the Draft of a Working Paper for Education at Brown University page, as I have obtained permission from the author to release it under a CC-BY-NC licence. Is this O.K.? I've also released the work on the Internet Archive: [] 72.128.35.111 22:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Ping!
You might want to have a peek: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#Do_we_have_any_defense_at_all_against_meteors.2C_black_holes.2C_etc..3F --SB_Johnny talk 15:34, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

 * And again: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#How_long_will_it_take_for_Pluto_to_clear_its_neighborhood.3F ... are you watching that page? --SB_Johnny talk 22:25, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Intelligent Design
I have made some categories.--Daanschr 20:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Middle School Science
Earth and Space Science needs editing help -> Middle_School_Science/Earth_and_Space_Science I guess the strategy is to keep it as light as possible, because the text is meant to be teacher support for project-based learning to assure that required learning (as in NCLB) is being covered while the students are doing their "own thing." It is hard to know exactly how deep the requirements are.

My strategy right now is to get more books of test questions (to re-gear myself into a testing mind-set), and then blend them into the existing Google docs as I implement them in the the wv pages.

More important to me right now with respect to wv is the Scientific Method, which I want to call the Scientific Model because we are not in a position to raise funds for hypothesis testing (and probably neither are our "students"), but we can create real-life models to apply to the surrounding environment to see if they fit. Applying models in the business of real-life should realize benefits to the model appliers, assuming the model is accurate. If not, the model has to be rewritten or adjusted. I also want to flesh out research ideas while working on the page to help give wv policy direction for research projects. Please give me your take on this renaming of the Scientific Method.

Recovery therapy and learning: I got this immediately. I have a writing on teaching hurricanes to students in areas that may be hit by hurricanes, and hence traumatized, to show how learning can actually be theraputic through what is called the "construction of knowledge." I have my cut+paste full of unrelated material at the moment, but middle school science will be my focus soon, so I will try to attack all angles including technology in teaching, aka wv. Recent writing: Absolutely I plan to insert the google doc pages into the Wikiversity. The only reason I have not so far is that they are not fully rewritten so as to be original writing, and hence free of proprietary copyright. This is the major issue, and the minor issue is that they have to be fact-checked.

Since I am entering a teacher certification program this summer, the topic is "back in play" for me, and I will be completing the pages on google docs, first with an eye to copyright infringment, and then to assure accuracy. Keep in mind that they are written "to the test," where the tests are the Praxis certification tests. I want to add requirements from other tests such as the New York State teacher exams.

As it happens I am back working in information technology; I will be looking at educational software to create an equity trading school. The equity trading information will be proprietary (something I don't really care about), but I want to somehow blend the functionality of the MediaWiki with other public domain educational software such as Moodle. Moodle attempts to emulate a top-down didactic structure, whereas the Wiki is clearly different, and hard to define! As both are written in PHP, the sharing of code and expertise seem possible.

Mu301 asked and I answered above: One thing I'm unclear on - are the links to google docs (ie. [1]) pages that you created? Do you have plans to start similar pages here at wv? I'm not sure where I could help out if much of the material is off-site.

Previous writing: --some text deleted (see first policy discussion)--

Your contributions are timely as I am entering a summer program to be certified in middle school science in Connecticut (USA). As it happens, Earth Science is key to middle school learning/teaching, and Astronomy is of course a component of Earth Science studies.

The intrusion of social sciences into the scientific method, or perhaps model, is making a fuss. The "ivory tower" is giving way to the "action research" model, which initially recruited prostitutes as researchers in the research of their sub-culture giving them the ability to construct the "steps" for their escape from their self-imposed dangers.

The difficulty in writing about education for youngsters is in making the writing applicable to both the teachers as well as the youngsters. Perhaps the scientific method information can move to its own page, leaving behind something kids can discuss in class.

Reorganizing project but currently blocked
Hello I am in charge of this class project "http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Design_for_the_Environment" and I need to reorganize it for the current year. However, I currently blocked from doing this. Could you unblock me. Thanks --Thomson 03:04, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

I am trying to edit: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Design_for_the_Environment but it says "You do not have permission to edit this page, for the following reason: This page has been locked to prevent editing." Can this page be unlocked? Thanks --Thomson 03:43, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Artificial Consciousness
I was just trying to put a link into my home page to my Artficial Consciousness page on WikiVersity, but it can't find the page is there some prefix I have to put in front of the file name in order to tell it to look on wikiVersity?

OOPS! sorry didn't mean to forget to sign my question, it seems a colon is needed as a prefix.--Graeme E. Smith 20:30, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Non-Genetic Darwinism
Sorry to bother you again, I see you are interested in Astronomy, I am just starting to build a course on Non-Genetic Darwinism, and I have forgotten where I read about the red shift, and galaxy formation as being an indication that the Big Bang was wrong, and possibly the second law of thermodynamics as well. Do you know anyone who could help me find such references?--Graeme E. Smith 20:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

Wikiversity policy studies proposal
If my studies become complex, I like to put myself on a mono-diet of my ideas to create a pure test model. In a sense a wiki is a on a wiki mono-diet, because everything is a wiki article page, and the results of the information developed in the page fit the phenomena of the wiki model.

After looking over the pages suggested to me in the "what wikiversity is not" discussion, I concluded that wikiversity is not on a wiki mono-diet, but should be. The policies seem to be defining wv in terms of everything except wiki-based learning.

A wiki by itself is an educational vehicle in the purest sense following the wiki phenomena, where an aggregate of wiki pages in a single wiki community should create a wiki-produced conceptual view of the world. I believe that such a conception should be nearly completely accurate. A wiki is not the only web community format to produce a nearly perfect conception, but it may be the best (so far). My personal experience with web-based information aggregation has been that, given contributor freedom, the knowledge created will be the best available.

I am seeing a lot of ideas that do not necessarily support the Internet as the modern Information Society, let alone the wiki phenomena, but ideas that want to re-implement antiquated structural ideas that have no place in the modern Information Society.

Going with the idea of a wiki mono-diet, we might want to create an aggregate study as a single article of exactly what is going on, and what should be going on with respect to our growth: Wikiversity studies.

The primary problem is this: I do not see that the policy structure is going to promote wiki-based studies, and those that are produce here seem to wander off to other wiki-communities. I think we need to work primarily towards wiki-retention, to fight wiki-attrition. To fight this we need to provide things that our scholars need, specifically support, and also we need to define what value we want add to the planet, how we want to help humanity. In other words, we need to define the wv in terms of six billion others rather than ourselves. Otherwise the good courses will simply move on to other wikis, as I am seeing.

Within that we need to define what server-type services we need to have to facilitate our scholars (I have a lot of ideas about this). And to do this we can simply study ourselves and our own needs. Such a study would be unique and would probably become famous because it could show how learning in a democratic environment can be the information source for policy making.

Ideally wv should generate ideas to be used in other wikis and similar study sites, but not necessarily the wp.

I think that this mission is valid and necessary, and that the "charity should start at home," should fully embrace the wiki phenomena. And hence my idea of wiki-education policy studies as a wikiversity mono-diet. Unfortunately there is no place to post this idea... except to start a wikiveristy policies study article.

Usurpation Status?
Any update to my attempt to usurp User:Doug? This is the only English Language project on which I do not have the name User:Doug and one of only three total projects.--BewareofDoug 10:29, 23 February 2009 (UTC) (elsewhere Doug(talk • contribs))

Mentorship
Hi Mikeu! I know you're interested in outreach to new users. I've been working on developing more organized mentorship resources and better recognition for mentors and mentees. I would appreciate your help and feedback on Mentors and Research Mentoring Program. Thanks. --AFriedman 18:36, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Usurpation follow-up
Crats: I messaged a couple of you previously about this but just noticed there was a specific note to message all crats on Changing_username and due to the delay thought I'd better do again:  I'm following up on my request from December at Changing_username, no action has been taken. mikeu mentioned back in January that there was a technical problem with some of the tools and I see that mentioned on the Changing Username page now too. Reviewing the problem myself though, I am not clear on why this administrative issue is really a problem. I can see why it might be in some cases but not allowing clearly valid requests to go through without a pro forma check seems silly. For the life of me, I cannot see what these two tools would tell you for information about a user that you can't get nearly as easily through other means, particularly when we're talking about accounts that haven't edited in years in most cases and even then very little. I know there are only four of you, but the request ahead of mine has been sitting since July. That user and I are both Sysops on other projects and are both trying usurp accounts that appear to be clearly dead. I've actually been waiting before taking a more active role here until my account was fully unified and it looks like you could use a bit of help. Cheers! --BewareofDoug 03:01, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

 * Hey! What's going on?  You left a message on the usurpation page over a month ago saying that you were going to look into the back log and clear it up.  I only just found it though because you didn't respond to any of the individual requests or messages on our talk page.  I have tried to contact all four crats on here, on other projects, and via e-mail and have gotten no response since you left me a message in January!  I know there are only three active crats but this is becoming ridiculous; please promote some custodians if you need more help.  --BewareofDoug 19:54, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Usurpation of Jackie
You can finish the request about usurpation of User:Jackie account? I wrote Usurpation requested on the talk page of target account about 2 month ago... Need rename Jackie-ru-ru-new -> Jackie. --Jackie-ru-ru-new 08:23, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Changing_username#.28Partial.29_Usurpation_of_User:Ethan|Usurpation of User:Ethan
Usurpation of User:Ethan mikeu, can my usurpation request (and all the other people who have been asking as well) yet? the tools seem to be working, so usurping should be possible. Thanks, -Ethan (talk) • 2009-04-18 14:52 (UTC)

Information
I think my IRC timed out. Here is the info - Paul Lewis Broer, employee of the Jet Propulsion Lab. He was assigned to help with Voyager I (around 1980) after they discovered that there were particles in the dark spots of Saturn's rings. He had to figure out a way to get the craft to maneuver around the rings. I was wondering if you could find any documents that may have mentioned his involvement and what exactly was done. Ottava Rima (talk) 02:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Block
User:Unstoppable Fandal needs a block. Proxima Centauri 08:24, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Does Vandalism Peak during the Summer?
I have noticed a distinct increase in vandalism in the last month at least on my own projects, some of this seems to be interwiki, Does past history suggest that there is a peak between June and September for such vandalism?--Graeme E. Smith 16:23, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Explicit images on the commons
Thanks for the info on my talk page Mike. Hope yu don't mind me inserting this message at the top. I'm still working out best ways to communicate through talk pages, and adding talk topic in reverse order strikes me as slightly more efficient.

Yesterday I did spend a deal of time looking through the ranage of images on Commons and seeing how many were up for deletion.. it seems that images over a year old had some repetitive requests and denials, and recent images within 2 months had nither discussion of requests. It seems that people may have given up requesting? I now I was put off by the repeated denials, as I wouldn't want to be drawn into a debate over deletion.

Which leads me to wondering how to manage such content if it is going to continue to exist? If something gets listed as a bad image.. does that also hide it from view on all pages (not just history?). Ideally, we need a way where we can hide images from view so that users have to click past a warning page to see the images. --Leighblackall 21:48, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

WV:RFD archive
Hmmm, yes, I see and agree, maybe I was a bit fast there - thinking more from my POV of resolved ones being distracting than keeping decisions easier for others to see/find. Will slow down. Thanks. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:28, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

on language, and other topics
"I have a complaint about the language that you have been using" <-- I use words that I know the meaning of and I always make an effort to use them correctly. In light of the many false accusations you have published about me you should familiarize yourself with the meaning of the word defamation. Also, you should think about the difference between "name calling" and providing an accurate description.

 * Are you saying that "thug" is an accurate description? Are you saying that "thug" is not defamation? Can you explain how "thug" is an accurate description and not defamation? I think expecting anyone to consider or think about it is rather unreasonable when you haven't explained/expressed your reasoning. -- dark lama  14:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

"Assume Good Faith" <-- Here is a chance for you to practice your creative writing. Provide me with a reason why I should assume that you acted in good faith by publishing a large number of absurdly false claims about me. Give me a reason why I should assume that you acted in good faith by pretending that your false accusations justify removing my custodianship. --JWSchmidt 23:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Cary Bass made the decision to remove the tools. Do you expect mikeu to be able to explain why Cary Bass made that decision? If you want to know the justification for the removal you need to ask Cary Bass. Only Cary Bass knows why Cary Bass made the decision to remove the tools. I think you should stop deflecting Cary Bass' decision on other people. I didn't make the decision, mikeu didn't make the decision, and SB_Johnny didn't make the decision. Cary Bass made the decision. -- dark lama  14:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Sorry to interrupt, but that's not correct, Darklama. The desysopping was done by unanimous consent of Wikiversity's four bureaucrats. Cary did act as consultant during the process, but things weren't nearly bad enough to justify foundation-level action that bypassed the principle of "home rule". The decision to desysop lies squarely on the shoulders of the 4 'crats. --SB_Johnny talk 19:12, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I'm not saying it was a foundation-level action. A steward can desysop a user, while bureaucrats cannot, so it was a steward that made the decision. I don't know what the steward policy is on the matter, but I'm sure a level of decision making was involved by the steward in deciding whether there involvement and action was within any policies they are suppose to follow. The steward involved could probably have decided that more involvement from the community was needed first. Does steward policy obligate stewards to take action if there is unanimous consent by all of a project's bureaucrats? Since neither I nor JWS know the details involved in the steward's decision, I think the best way to find out is to ask the steward involved. Asking the steward involved would provide more insight and info then there is now. At the very least it would confirm that unanimous consent by bureaucrats is all that is needed for stewards to act. -- dark lama  19:39, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

 * "To assume good faith is a fundamental principle on Wikiversity" <-- Does this explain why you signed your name to a large number of absurd accusations against me, accusations that not only ignored good faith, but did so in favor of maliciously fabricated falsehoods? I'm sickened by the Ruling Party's skill at gaming the system. The wielders of the mighty ban hammer do not have to assume good faith, only the little people must, even while they are being abused. Let's put that into written policy and explain it on the main page. --JWSchmidt 21:50, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Are you saying you think mikeu's intent was to harm you and that mikeu took pleasure in harming you?

 * defamation: a malicious attack.
 * malicious: of, pertaining to, or as a result of malice or spite.
 * malice: intention to harm, to take pleasure in the misfortune of others, feeling a need to see others suffer.
 * spite: to take pleasure in hurting others.

 * I think believing mikeu's involvement was done with the intent to harm you is bad faith. I think believing mikeu took pleasure in harming you is even a worse form of bad faith. However I think not taking the time to express/explain how you think mikeu's intent is to harm you and why you think mikeu took pleasure in doing so is possibly the worse form of bad faith I've seen so far. Can you explain why you think mikeu's intent is to harm you? Can you explain why you think mikeu takes pleasure in harming you? -- dark lama  14:29, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Inviting things that probably shouldn't be invited
I don't think this comment will lead to anything positive. I think having a discussion of policy (and its enforcement) is a Very Good Thing, but I don't think it's going to happen if you (or I) take the bait and allow it to become yet another discussion about JWS's spiel. Just sayin, eh? --SB_Johnny talk 23:38, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

confrontation
Part of the problem is that I'm not on the mailing list for the Ruling Party's daily newsletter, so I do not know what the talking points are for each discussion. I still think Censored would be a useful policy page. We could put at the top: "Never mention the policy violations of admins." My comment at the Colloquium provided useful perspective for the discussion. I would have said more, but in the current atmosphere of intimidation I felt it best to keep my comment brief. Unlike the Ruling Party, I think it is healthy for a wiki community to discuss its problems rather than try to prevent them from being discussed. How does it help the collaborative spirit of Wikiversity when policy violators are made into custodians and told "good job"? Is anything short of saying "good job" to policy violators "needlessly confrontational"? --JWSchmidt 03:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

FLOSS4Science
Re: Your comment:

 * Great! I would love to see a community grow around this project. Please go for it (i.e. do whatever you want to take it further) and let me know if there is anything specific I can do to help. K 20:33, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Project incubator
Please check Project_incubator for an update on HHF. Your help would be greatly appreciated. I have a bunch of enthusiastic volunteers from my hostel ready to help me out with the discussions that are supposed to happen on Highschool Help Forum. However, to keep them glued to the forum, it's necessary that the forum be complete. There are just too any trivial issues to be resolved. I'd request you to brainstorm over this on the project incubator. --Dharav talk 12:21, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Twitter
Twitter I created a Wikiversity Twitter account. I'm DM you the password. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 13:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

How to archive User pages when cut and paste is shut off?
I got one of those speed limit signs on my user page, and went to archive it using cut and paste only to find that cut and paste is shut off somehow on that page. I know that Bots can archive, so there must be some way to create a template that will move a section of user talk page into a specified archive, do we have a template like that?--Graeme E. Smith 17:41, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Cut and past is shut off? What do you mean? --SB_Johnny talk 20:48, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I am not sure, except that when I go to cut or copy text, it is not transferred to the clipboard I am currently testing to see if it is a local memory allocation problem but it works/fails to work across multiple versions of Firefox, and IE6, so I figure there is something strange going on. Could just be I am running short on swapfile, I haven't been able to get through the memory clean-up utility yet, so maybe that is it, too many temporary files or something.--Graeme E. Smith 03:23, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for moving the template for me, I didn't see that requirement in the instructions, and I wanted to protect the welcome message, though I see that it wouldn't normally be moved anyway.--Graeme E. Smith 00:05, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Is the bot shut off? or busy somewhere else? I know it has processing limitations to keep it from lagging the server.--Graeme E. Smith 00:55, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanx
Thank you very much for the linkage and the constructive criticism. Both were appreciated. B9 hummingbird hovering 13:56, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

ello
I have located some guys who have uploaded heaps of audiovisual onto YouTube regarding Tibetan language learning amongst others. Is there a way to embed this stuff from YouTube in Wikiversity directly? I tried embedding in HTML tags but didn't work. Or is this new Wikimedia Player I have heard about within Wikiversity pages a good way to embed the url? Or do we need to encourage them to upload it somewhere within the auspice of the Wikimedia Foundation projects? Where would be most appropriate? Is there a different location other associated media such as translations should be placed? Recommendations about how to establish project linkages? Is there a protocol? Dictionaries, would you know how best to incorporate the doings of our group within Wiktionary? Is there a forum within the Foundation to maximise interactivities between projects? Is this information somehow already captured within Wikiversity from other language learning projects? Is this information harvestable? You're prolly thinking OMG but if you may assist in any way or foster appropriate linkages I would be most appreciative. Is there a mentor program on Wikiversity? I await your advice B9 hummingbird hovering 07:42, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much for your response and I will prospect your recommendations. I thank you for your time.
 * B9 hummingbird hovering 14:40, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you again for taking me under ur wing. I appreciate your time.
 * Skype? b9_hummingbird_hovering or B9Joker108@Twitter
 * B9 hummingbird hovering 15:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

 * I don't use Skype, but I am often in irc in #wikiversity-en --mikeu talk 13:47, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I finally have started to use IRC. I initally started on Pidgin but was not very pleased with it and happened upon integrating IRC with Oprah, which is one of the browsers I favour and I love its functional ease. Please find herewith linkage prospecting Wiktionary as requested:
 * http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionary:Information_desk#Tibetan.7EEnglish_initiative
 * I very much appreciate your gallant offer to facilitate.
 * Respectfully
 * B9 hummingbird hovering 13:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Note to a yank
Why not start a project on how U.S.C Title 17 could be reformed?

Or indeed any other title ;)

Sfan00 IMG 18:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

User rename request
Would you please check the username page for my request on changing userame? C.I. 17:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Tibetan templates
Thanx so much mate. May I also ask where abouts I would find the syntax to tweak them? :-D B9 hummingbird hovering 11:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a text I would like to translate and it is in the public domain. Until it is finished I considered a ghost page or annexure of my Learning Weblog, unless some other people want to play as well. But most people have said yes, yes, yes, but when it comes to it they are nowhere to be found. I know people get busy but it confuses me why people tender or venture a learning commitment and then do not honour it. Lesson 15 already has a number of entries that could go in a Tibetan-English dictionary. Because Wiktionary is multilingual should I prospect them about how I should enter them? I am in bind about how to best progress the dictionary, should it be both Wylie and Tibetan and what case ending should I use in certain instances? I am flying blind with that and don't want to start something that will become a legacy in future. I would like a dictionary that is functional and easy to navigate. The Tibetan Wiktionary is locked but can be re-opened, as well...but my understanding of this forum is a dedicated Tibetan language dictionary. We need a bilingual dictionary.
 * :-D
 * B9 hummingbird hovering 11:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Sweet. Your interest is appreciated and I will keep you in the loop with the Wiktionary developments.
 * B9 hummingbird hovering 12:23, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Roundtable palette clearing
Thanks

You are welcome. --mikeu talk 20:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

IRC
Hi, thanks for the note. I just went there to check how you might have seen my message. Still no idea. Can you give me a hint? --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 10:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, may be another time. Thanks --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 14:04, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I would appreciate ur view on this when u hav time
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Wikisource:Scriptorium#Meta-text_environments_and_audience_customizability B9hummingbirdhoverin'æ•ω•ॐ 15:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

User usurpation request
Hello sir. I requested for an account usurpation here a few days back. Since its been a little time so I thought to request it personally. Regards. Marsa Lahminal 17:08, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

oversight
How do I request oversight e.g., for -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:17, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

 * I took care of that one. But, here is the info for future reference.  You never want to make the request on wiki because that draws attention to the libel, personal information, or whatever is being oversighted.  Go to #wikimedia-stewards and type "@steward oversight en-wv" to get their attention.  The bot will list the stewards in the channel.  When one of them responds, use private message to tell them the page that needs oversight.  When deleting a page with sensitive info make sure to use an edit summary, otherwise the default is to include the first line of text from the page.  That causes some of the info to remain visible in recent changes and the deletion log even though the page is deleted.  --mikeu talk 14:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

 * Great info, thanks. I've added your valuable advice to here: Help:Oversight - feel free to adjust of course. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 15:23, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Categories added with Mu301Bot
The categories added with Mu301Bot ignore categories that are added with templates.

For example: Assistant teacher program for asylum seekers did receive a new category "Assistant teacher program" while the template atp/asylum seekers already added it to "Category:Assistant teacher program for asylum seekers", which is a sub category. --fasten 08:17, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

IRC advertisement
Hi Mikeu, how are you?

Could you link Sandbox Server from #wikiversity-en and #wikiversity channels, please. Since I am banned from freenode services, I can't spam there:-)--Juan de Vojníkov 22:52, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

CU on WB
All the regular !voters have weighed in, of course. --SB_Johnny talk 12:25, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

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Socialism/Socialist economics

Socialist/Communist Economics

The fundamental principle of Socialist/Communist Economics is not that free markets are inherently self-destructive. Socialist economics suggests that (specifically) the capitalist form of free markets contain their own self-destruction. Under socialism the economy must be controlled by a socialist market mechanism where the differentia specifica is the absence of capitalist profits (ie that above normal profits). The main difference between socialism and communism is that of degree, communism promoting more social control than socialism. The underlying tenant of Socialist/Communist Economics is not government control, but a specific concept of "associated labour" derived mainly from Marxist theory but with some Christian socialist influences.

The founding document of Socialist Economics is Karl Marx's famous "Capital" which is reflected, in practical terms, in the "Communist Manifesto" section 2. Its capitalist counterpart is Adam Smith's "The Wealth of Nations". While Smith claims that the self interest of the butcher and the baker are sufficient to balance any economy, Marx proposes that any exploitation of value from any or all parties, and used to construct capitalist profits, will eventually bring the system down. "The Communist Manifesto" is also a political book since in necessarily opposing all political forms of economic exploitation, the first stage has been conceived of as a task for some form of popular government. Consequently politics are inherent to this economic theory.

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Translation

Translation is a difficult job, but it has many rewards. A good translator can open dialogue, foster understanding and improve cooperation in cross-cultural multilingual settings. This learning project tackles translation from the bottom up starting with crude and simplistic methods, for and by inexperienced translators. Hopefully people who know what they are doing will join the effort.

Create translation table
We're going to do things the hard way, using OmegaWiki as a place to start. We create a translation table with the words, create, translation and table in their connotations for making a data table for translation:

We find those here, here and here. Notice that the tables not only come short of having all the words but they can reveal extra words. For example create in Dutch could also be scheppen and in German could also be erstellen, erschaffen, or schaffen. As an English user, I know that create could be substituted with make, produce, build and several other words without altering the meaning all that much. It is important to collaborate extensively in multilingual translation projects.

Seeding and expanding a translation table
The following translation table from meta was created by native French speaker and meta-wikipedian, Sam. It began as a tool for he and other Wikipedians who didn't comment their changes, leaving the comment line blank. Sam reasoned it might have been because they weren't sure of how to spell words correctly, use grammar, punctuation, etc. Originally named Wikispeling, the table began in his user space at the French Wikipedia and emerged at meta in the form of Wikispelling. Here's its genesis on 10 December 2004:

And here is the version 5 years later as of 31 July 2009:

You can see that manually generated and maintained wikitables can be worth all the trouble in the long term.

Computer-assisted translation
Computer-assisted translation.

Vertaalkunde Treiñ ha troidigezh Преводач Traducció lingüística Тăлмач Oversættelse Tõlge Traduko Itzulpengintza fa:ترجمه Traduzion Tradución अनुवाद Þýðing תרגום ಭಾಷಾಂತರ Fordítás Penterjemahan Vertaling Oversettelse Tłumaczenie (przekład) Traducere Translation Çeviri Переклад Tradusion Thông dịch Ratournaedje (langue) 翻译

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Talk:Translation

I first tackled translation back when Wikiversity and beta first opened. Here we go again for Strategic Planning purposes. CQ 04:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Czech
Note to self: See T-V distinction, Czech declension and Transwiki per convo with apergos and juandev (#wikiversity hub) --CQ 00:10, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Shona
Translate words in shona to english so foreigners can also understand english and be able to do better communication 41.116.87.149 (discuss) 14:03, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

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Wikiversity talk:Strategy

Priorities
My thinking from the Get-go was that the power of Wikiversity was its connectivity with languages and sisterprojects. When Philippe posted on the Colloquium it woke up the aspects of cross-project cooperation and multilingualism I had thought about back then. To me, we have a calling here to contribute things that will increase our value as a daughter-project of the Wikimedia Foundation and as a learning community in cyberspace. Actually, Philippe and company could have just as easily accomplished strategic planning "down here" in Wikiversity, but that way will work also... if people from all the projects participate. I made a little template that looks like this:

I'm thinking of reworking another template, languages and putting it with daughters to make a super-navigation tool that doesn't need words as much. I'm also revamping some translation concepts that I put a lot of work into a couple of years ago. I believe that a focus on diversity and inclusion are vital to the success of v: and the foundation. CQ 05:29, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

From User_talk:CQ DynamicPageList and DynamicPageList (Wikimedia) and other extensions need to be examined in depth. My intuition is that mw:API:Client Codes can be crafted and tuned to the ways of Wikimedians of all sorts. What we need is an evolution of the tools that extend functionality of the collaborative platform to a more accessible community-driven model. Categories, templates, namespaces, portals and other components can be "tuned" to specific groups of users in an even more pervasive and dynamic way. Many talented coders have already paved the way of doing this using everything from CategoryTrees and simple templates to very complex bots, parser functions, and custom applications. I would like to incrementally apply some of these ideas as an outreach of Wikiversity's MediaWiki Project here in the strategic planning workspace, if it's OK with everybody. 03:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd actually rather not. It's important that this be a space that's comfortable for people to work in - applying new tools is something that Eugene and I think very carefully about.  I'm willing to consider specific ideas, but I'm not comfortable with such a blanket approval.  This particular wiki, while community facing and community driven, is Foundation managed.  In addition, there are other modifications coming down the pike that may impact functionality.  For the record, proposals of changes to the strategy wiki should probably go on Village Pump where they can be seen by the wider community, not just your own talk page.  -- Philippe 03:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

The reply I almost posted in a rage but didn't:
 * Wow! I've never had anyone pay this much attention before. Thanks, Phillip! Actually, I'm thinking out loud trying to develop ideas here and see how interwiki linking behaves in this domain. But you've made yourself very clear. My efforts are only welcome here if they fit the mould (which will take me months to get used to in the same way it took me years to get acquainted with the Wikipedia mould). I'll be gone, now. Thanks :) CQ 03:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Anyway, It's clear that we need to slow down and keep developing outside the gates. CQ 03:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Your efforts are welcome here, CQ. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 05:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Updates
Would someone paying attention to all this be so kind as to post somewhere around here when important things are developing there? I can't be bothered to remember to check the other wiki all the time, but I'd like to remain involved. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 05:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

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Talk:Wikispecies

Please see Strategy for a discussion about collaborating more with Wikispecies. CQ 06:15, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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Category:Wikispecies

To link directly to Wikispecies use

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Category talk:Wikispecies

Please see Strategy for a discussion about collaborating more with Wikispecies. CQ 06:43, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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User:MikeHobday

MikeHobday also has an account at Wikipedia.w:User:MikeHobday

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User talk:MikeHobday

 Hello MikeHobday, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

 * Take a guided tour and learn to edit.
 * Visit a (kind of) random project.
 * Browse Wikiversity, or visit a portal corresponding to your educational level: pre-school, primary, secondary, tertiary, non-formal education.
 * Find out about research activities on Wikiversity.

 * Read an introduction for teachers and find out how to write an educational resource for Wikiversity.
 * Give feedback about your initial observations
 * Discuss Wikiversity issues or ask questions at the colloquium.
 * Chat with other Wikiversitans on #wikiversity-en.

And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage, and see you around Wikiversity! --CQ 08:17, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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User:Sudhanshu

Hi, I am Sudhanshu. I just want to share things that I know.

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User talk:Sudhanshu

 Hello Sudhanshu, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

 * Take a guided tour and learn to edit.
 * Visit a (kind of) random project.
 * Browse Wikiversity, or visit a portal corresponding to your educational level: pre-school, primary, secondary, tertiary, non-formal education.
 * Find out about research activities on Wikiversity.

 * Read an introduction for teachers and find out how to write an educational resource for Wikiversity.
 * Give feedback about your initial observations
 * Discuss Wikiversity issues or ask questions at the colloquium.
 * Chat with other Wikiversitans on #wikiversity-en.

And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage, and see you around Wikiversity! --CQ 08:53, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:Dcmp

 Hello Dcmp, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

 * Take a guided tour and learn to edit.
 * Visit a (kind of) random project.
 * Browse Wikiversity, or visit a portal corresponding to your educational level: pre-school, primary, secondary, tertiary, non-formal education.
 * Find out about research activities on Wikiversity.

 * Read an introduction for teachers and find out how to write an educational resource for Wikiversity.
 * Give feedback about your initial observations
 * Discuss Wikiversity issues or ask questions at the colloquium.
 * Chat with other Wikiversitans on #wikiversity-en.

And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage, and see you around Wikiversity! --mikeu talk 14:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:Neil Craig~enwikiversity

 Hello Neil Craig, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

 * Take a guided tour and learn to edit.
 * Visit a (kind of) random project.
 * Browse Wikiversity, or visit a portal corresponding to your educational level: pre-school, primary, secondary, tertiary, non-formal education.
 * Find out about research activities on Wikiversity.

 * Read an introduction for teachers and find out how to write an educational resource for Wikiversity.
 * Give feedback about your initial observations
 * Discuss Wikiversity issues or ask questions at the colloquium.
 * Chat with other Wikiversitans on #wikiversity-en.

And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage, and see you around Wikiversity! --mikeu talk 14:24, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Neil Craig. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Neil Craig~enwikiversity that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:45, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:17, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:SDR~enwikiversity

 Hello SDR, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

 * Take a guided tour and learn to edit.
 * Visit a (kind of) random project.
 * Browse Wikiversity, or visit a portal corresponding to your educational level: pre-school, primary, secondary, tertiary, non-formal education.
 * Find out about research activities on Wikiversity.

 * Read an introduction for teachers and find out how to write an educational resource for Wikiversity.
 * Give feedback about your initial observations
 * Discuss Wikiversity issues or ask questions at the colloquium.
 * Chat with other Wikiversitans on #wikiversity-en.

And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage, and see you around Wikiversity! --mikeu talk 14:32, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called SDR. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name SDR~enwikiversity that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:52, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Renamed
 This account has been renamed as part of single-user login finalisation. If you own this account you can |log in using your previous username and password for more information. If you do not like this account's new name, you can choose your own using this form after logging in: . -- Keegan (WMF) (talk) 06:21, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

title: User talk:SDR~enwikiversity