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Facilitating Online/Meetings/FO08-Second Life

No audio recording. Below is the chat log from the meeting in Second Life:

[0:30] Al Lurton is Online

[0:30] jokay Wollongong is Online

[0:30] Johnnie Wendt is Online

[0:31] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[0:31] Connected

[0:31] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Koru/156/125/27

[0:31] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[0:31] Connected

[0:31] You: still rezing...

[0:32] You: sweet!

[0:33] jokay Wollongong: probly havent got time to explore now.. but grab a landmark.. im quite impressed ;)

[0:33] jokay Wollongong: From a tech perspective tho..

[0:33] You: obsolutely

[0:33] jokay Wollongong: interesting that it's very trendy right now to build at 600m in the air.. and have total control over the enviro

[0:33] You: it looks very interesting

[0:33] jokay Wollongong: if you zoom right right out...

[0:34] jokay Wollongong: We are up in the sky in inside some huge prims

[0:34] Orwell Sorbet is Online

[0:34] jokay Wollongong: hence the texture overload ;)

[0:34] You: with birds eye perspective?

[0:34] jokay Wollongong: Yeah.. you might need to disable your camera constraints..

[0:34] jokay Wollongong: Do you have your advanced menu up top?

[0:34] You: I see!

[0:35] You: its underground

[0:35] jokay Wollongong: Nah.. it's waaaay up in the sky..

[0:35] You: eh

[0:35] jokay Wollongong: but eh enviro the deisgn has built makes it feel underground..

[0:35] jokay Wollongong: Hit CTRL-ALT-SHIFT-D

[0:35] jokay Wollongong: That will bring up the advanced menu at the top of your screen..

[0:35] jokay Wollongong: Go in there..

[0:35] jokay Wollongong: and choose 'Disable Camera Constraints'

[0:35] jokay Wollongong: Then..

[0:36] jokay Wollongong: Zoom waaaaaaaaaay out..

[0:36] jokay Wollongong: either with your mousewheel..

[0:36] jokay Wollongong: or Alt-down arrow

[0:37] You: yep.. its pretty creative

[0:37] You: I wish that van goh one was still around

[0:37] jokay Wollongong: me too!

[0:37] You: need to collect up LM of these uba creative spaces

[0:37] jokay Wollongong: Hi stabitha ;)

[0:37] You: like Svarga

[0:37] You: etc

[0:37] jokay Wollongong: Yeah.. im working on a listing

[0:37] Stabitha Braveheart: hi

[0:37] jokay Wollongong: some new resources coming out soon

[0:37] You: cool

[0:38] jokay Wollongong: Anyway.. we should go check voice over on jokaydia ;)

[0:38] jokay Wollongong: gimme 2 mins for a coffee refill and i'll meetya there ;)

[0:38] You: ok

[0:38] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/Garden%20of%20dreams/109/134/696

[0:38] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[0:38] Connected

[0:41] jokay Wollongong is Offline

[0:46] Orwell Sorbet is Offline

[0:55] Lucida Skytower: Hi Leroy/Leigh! :-)

[0:55] You: Hi Lucinda

[0:55] You: yep

[0:55] Lucida Skytower: :-)

[0:55] You: so.. um

[0:55] You: who are you?

[0:55] You: let me check the wiki

[0:56] Lucida Skytower: sorry, I changed my avatar - I'm Pipi Tinlegs, aka Amy Lenzo

[0:56] You: Oh g'day

[0:56] Lucida Skytower: do you prefer to use voice? Or written chat?

[0:56] You: one of the things I really don't like about SL is the split personality it forces on me

[0:56] jokay Wollongong is Online

[0:57] You: oh voice

[0:57] You: if it works

[0:57] Lucida Skytower: I know what you mean :-)

[1:08] Lucida Skytower: www.beautydialogues.com

[1:09] jokay Wollongong: HI Al! ;)

[1:09] jokay Wollongong: are you voicing ;)

[1:09] jokay Wollongong: or txting>? ;)

[1:10] You: Amy/Lucida = World Cafe

[1:10] You: (I'll take some notes

[1:11] You: for others who couldn't be here)

[1:11] Lucida Skytower: thanks Leroy!

[1:11] You: Conversation about how we build a sense of shared ownership in Second Life projects

[1:12] You: Jo reflecting on how much work it can become when you are central to a project

[1:12] You: And there is a noticable "inner and outer circle" in the Jokaydia community

[1:13] You: Jokaydia (or Jo Kay) has been developing educational SL community for at least 3 years now

[1:14] You: Jo organises events in Jokaydia to stimulate the Jokaydia project

[1:14] You: such as mini conference, member exhibitions, and web sites that relate to Jokaydia

[1:15] You: Building information structures around the community

[1:15] Johnnie Wendt is Offline

[1:15] You: Facebook groups

[1:15] You: etc

[1:15] You: Flickr image tags

[1:16] You: Discussion about the "JoKaydia" brand

[1:17] You: and the positive and negative impacts on that shared ownership objective

[1:17] You: Jo believes that people in the community do have a sense of ownership (and brand loyalty) to Jokaydia

[1:18] You: Amy asks about the exhibitions

[1:18] You: Jo says it was part of the idea to focus on things more outside EDUCATION

[1:18] You: and diversify interests

[1:18] You: 2 art exhibitions at the moment

[1:18] You: an immersive space

[1:19] You: and an exhibition from the Australian Environment organisation

[1:19] You: there is a 3rd exhibition (jo just remembers)

[1:20] You: Konrad Glokowski's photo exhibition from his work exchange in Kenya

[1:20] You: so that's a connection of art and education

[1:20] You: basically Jokaydia tries to draw interesting things and people into the space

[1:21] You: that stimulate interest

[1:21] You: talk about the "Virtual Classroom Project"

[1:22] You: they are trying to attract a girl to the project this time

[1:22] You: Jokaydians are also working on a project in Teen Second Life

[1:22] You: a restricted space for school children

[1:23] You: also exploring Open Sim

[1:23] You: that can be set up on a local network

[1:23] You: such as IN a school

[1:24] You: Al (with us in teh meeting) works on Quest Atlantus - another virtual world

[1:24] You: a safe and secure space for 9 - 12 year olds

[1:24] You: and is internationally networked

[1:24] You: :)

[1:25] You: Jo mentions Bron Stucky uses Quest Atlantus

[1:27] You: Leigh asks Al for coments about Jo's objective for a shared community

[1:27] You: Al says such a community should be diverse

[1:27] You: so the idea of broadening scope outside educational topics is good for bringing in a wider range of people

[1:28] You: and the opportunity to build members sense of space - such as opportunities for members to build

[1:29] You: Jo observes a transition in the community from "what is Second Life" focus to...

[1:29] You: "what things can we do with SL"

[1:29] You: Al says:

[1:30] Johnnie Wendt is Online

[1:30] You: A lot of people drop their real life identity into SL, rather than exploring or extend alternative identies

[1:30] Je4ss Voom: boo!

[1:30] You: jo responds

[1:31] You: Je4ss joins

[1:31] You: Hi jess

[1:31] You: we are on voice

[1:31] Je4ss Voom: hi all ")

[1:31] Je4ss Voom: i will set up my headphones

[1:31] You: ok

[1:31] Al Lurton: hi Je4ss

[1:31] You: I'm taking notes

[1:32] Je4ss Voom: 'forget' to do? isn't exploration of self happening all the time? - external world whether FL or SL is always reflection of what is within

[1:34] You: discussion about identity

[1:34] You: some (many) prefer to explore alternative identity

[1:34] jokay Wollongong: Oooo.. hard!

[1:34] You: Amy / Lucida says she is using a new "alt" avatar

[1:34] You: and enjoys thinking about the range of new identies we can play with

[1:36] You: Jo says that the use of "alts" alternative avatars...

[1:36] You: is very useful for winning acceptance to other communities

[1:36] You: in SL

[1:36] You: But jo feels very disconnected from those alts

[1:37] You: Jo has a good friend in SL

[1:37] You: who explores cross gender in SL

[1:37] You: and observes that real life gender has no bearing on their SL relationship

[1:38] You: but Jo thinks there would be a tension if they met in real life

[1:39] You: Al agrees that having an alt to explore other communities is very useful

[1:39] You: and enlightening

[1:40] You: and perhaps a useful experience for children (in terms of Al thinking as an educator)

[1:40] You: Jo mentions the community shared tour

[1:40] You: where each member brings at least one land mark of some where in second life

[1:40] You: and the group go around together

[1:40] Je4ss Voom: can we do that now? :)

[1:41] You: good idea Je4ss

[1:41] You: so we all friending

[1:41] Je4ss Voom: how does one share a landmark?

[1:41] You: drag and drop Je4ss

[1:41] Je4ss Voom is Online

[1:41] Je4ss Voom: 'the' group?

[1:41] Je4ss Voom is Online

[1:42] Je4ss Voom: hello!

[1:42] Je4ss Voom: trying to get voice working

[1:42] You: no mic Jess?

[1:42] You: oh ok

[1:42] Je4ss Voom: am not quite used to using it yet so am a bit shy

[1:42] Al Lurton: ah Tassie?

[1:42] Je4ss Voom: i am already a member

[1:43] Je4ss Voom: /waves

[1:43] You: Leigh asks how has chat vs voice impacted on communication in SL

[1:43] Je4ss Voom: i am much more used to typing

[1:43] Je4ss Voom: used irc since age 5 or something :)

[1:43] You: jo thinks that voice had a positive impact for many people

[1:43] You: but there are a lot of people who still prefer text

[1:44] You: voice comes second though - Leigh thinks

[1:45] You: working with chat text first is a good way to start

[1:45] You: because we know everyone gets it

[1:45] You: voice doesn't work for some

[1:45] Je4ss Voom: not me, i dont have a life

[1:45] Je4ss Voom: i just sit in a dark room and eat pizza that gets shoved under the door

[1:45] Je4ss Voom: and grow mould

[1:45] You: Al, adds that some people are not in a quiet enough space to be able to use a mic for voice

[1:46] Je4ss Voom: leroy, why are you typing what's being said?

[1:46] You: and Al (and Leigh) have felt excluded when voice is used without any text transcript

[1:46] You: notes for those who couldn't be here

[1:46] Je4ss Voom: ah! good on you

[1:47] Je4ss Voom: some could fly

[1:47] Je4ss Voom: hover about

[1:47] You: Voice can add technical problems too

[1:47] You: some people give feedback

[1:48] You: others come through too soft of loud

[1:48] You: and many people using voice can put a big load on SL servers

[1:48] You: Jo has used Skype voice as a backup

[1:49] You: Amy says World Cafe uses small group IM that come together later

[1:50] You: QUT Dekka

[1:50] You: Terra Incognita

[1:50] You: Island in SL

[1:51] You: and has group chat features

[1:52] You: Amy says its good to use support people - one per small group

[1:52] jokay Wollongong: Terra incognita

[1:52] jokay Wollongong: Decka's Decks

[1:52] jokay Wollongong: Decka Mah

[1:53] Je4ss Voom: i had to get chocolate

[1:53] Je4ss Voom: are we teleporting about?

[1:53] You: not yet

[1:53] Al Lurton: i cant hear sorry

[1:54] jokay Wollongong: oh soory al...

[1:54] jokay Wollongong: do you wanna head for the pub..

[1:54] jokay Wollongong: and i'll send everyone to you ;)

[1:54] Al Lurton: k .. want tps?

[1:54] Je4ss Voom: sorree

[1:54] Je4ss Voom: :/

[1:54] jokay Wollongong: Al... we'll go see the blue day art ;)

[1:55] jokay Wollongong gave you Bar jokaydia!, jokaydia III (94, 218, 21).

[1:55] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/jokaydia/176/81/24

[1:55] Je4ss Voom: hello al

[1:56] Je4ss Voom: what was the mrow?

[1:58] Je4ss Voom: where do the words on the dome come from?

[1:58] You: looking at posters and art about "Beyond Blue" = Anxiety and Depression works and information

[1:59] You: there's a trampoline!

[1:59] OCEAN OF TEARS owned by Dave Koi gave you 'dkart - art for my sake -  Art by Dave Koi'  ( http://slurl.com/secondlife /jokaydia%20III/108/185/23 ).

[2:00] OCEAN OF TEARS owned by Dave Koi gave you 'About this work'  ( http://slurl.com/secondlife/jokaydia%20III/108/185/23 ).

[2:00] Je4ss Voom: WHAT FUN!

[2:01] Je4ss Voom: the trampoline is great

[2:01] You: art with a therapy perspective

[2:02] You: the ability to play and create in Second Life

[2:02] Je4ss Voom: when i first came onto jokaydia i thought it was just for teachers and educators - but then you did the blueday thing so that makes me think what jokaydia is about is BIGGER - how would you describe what jokaydia IS FOR in a few words?

[2:03] Lucida Skytower is Online

[2:03] Je4ss Voom: you didnt answer my question that i typed jo :-(

[2:06] Je4ss Voom: i am excited about how philosophy fits into this

[2:06] Je4ss Voom: learning, questioning - central to what it means to be human

[2:06] jokay Wollongong: hehee.. i dunno whether i can do a few words jess.. i talk too much..LOL

[2:07] Je4ss Voom: i got the instructions for the disc

[2:07] Skipping Disc whispers: this item does not belong to you.

[2:07] Je4ss Voom: and it told me to click on the disc and i would get my own

[2:07] You: Jo says sipping and dancing are great fun in SL

[2:07] Je4ss Voom: but i didnt it told me the object was not mine

[2:07] Skipping Disc whispers: this item does not belong to you.

[2:07] Al Lurton: look in recent items or type'skip' in inventory :)

[2:08] You: Jo notes that such things are important for community bonding / development

[2:08] Je4ss Voom: how do i get a skipping disc thingy

[2:08] Skipping Disc whispers: this item does not belong to you.

[2:09] Emerald speed blue: Sorry, You are not authorized to drive this boat

[2:10] Isa Goodman is Online

[2:12] jokay Wollongong gave you Safety Dance.

[2:12] Al Lurton gave you Skip.

[2:14] You: conversation about gestures - which are a bit like emoticons like smiley faces etc - but gestures are animatied in SL and a lot greater range

[2:16] Al Lurton: Let's skip!

[2:16] Je4ss Voom: /fruitsalad

[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!

[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!

[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!

[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!

[2:16] Je4ss Voom: Yaaaaaaay.... yay...

[2:16] Al Lurton: thats an gesture set .. I typed in Let's skip! and it said 'Let's Skip' depends what you want to create

[2:17] You: ..:: Gidday Darlin' - How are ya? ::..

[2:17] Al Lurton: Let's skip!

[2:17] Je4ss Voom: /yay

[2:17] Al Lurton: Gday Mate!

[2:17] Je4ss Voom: /yay

[2:17] You: /gd

[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Yaaaaaaay.... yay...

[2:17] Al Lurton: well done

[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!

[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!

[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!

[2:17] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!

[2:17] Al Lurton: Let's skip!

[2:18] Je4ss Voom: Hey!

[2:18] Al Lurton: yeah I sent it twice

[2:18] You: ..:: Gidday Darlin' - How are ya? ::..

[2:18] Al Lurton: yay skip Lucinda

[2:18] Al Lurton: Gday Mate!

[2:18] You: lol

[2:18] Al Lurton: Let's skip!

[2:19] Al Lurton: Let's skip!

[2:19] You: WHOA!!!! <:o

[2:19] You: HEY!!! >:(

[2:19] You: DON'T TOUCH ME!!! >:/

[2:19] DebZee Miklos is Online

[2:21] jokay Wollongong: hey slammed.. can you heaar me??...LOL

[2:21] slammed Aabye: phone

[2:21] Al Lurton: Let's skip!

[2:22] You: ..:: Gidday Darlin' - How are ya? ::..

[2:22] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!

[2:22] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!

[2:22] Je4ss Voom: Fruit Salad!

[2:22] Je4ss Voom: Yummy! Yummy!

[2:22] CiderJack Applemoor is Online

[2:23] Je4ss Voom: Yaaaaaaay.... yay...

[2:24] Je4ss Voom: maybe you need a new jobs

[2:25] Je4ss Voom: the fruit salad will be being sold in a shop soon, will let u know

[2:25] Je4ss Voom: slammed, whats your slight accent?

[2:27] You: /who

[2:27] Je4ss Voom: slammed, what is your accent?

[2:27] Al Lurton: It's Jokaydian Jess

[2:28] Je4ss Voom: :-D

[2:28] You: 19 hrs per day just become 24

[2:28] Al Lurton: cool

[2:29] Briarmelle Quintessa is Online

[2:30] Al Lurton: not litterers?

[2:30] Je4ss Voom: damn furrys >:(

[2:33] slammed Aabye: Wow!

[2:33] Je4ss Voom: if people want the fruit salad, look for the other two green dots in jokaydia

[2:33] Al Lurton is Offline

[2:33] Je4ss Voom: altair is in the sandbox you can go ans ask him for it

[2:33] slammed Aabye: Wow!

[2:33] slammed Aabye: LAG LAG LAG

[2:33] slammed Aabye: LAG LAG LAG

[2:33] slammed Aabye: Wow!

[2:33] slammed Aabye: Tits were  UNBLEVABLE

[2:33] slammed Aabye: Ah man I love titties

[2:34] Je4ss Voom: like a bag of sand

[2:34] Je4ss Voom: show! show!

[2:34] Je4ss Voom: leroy please

[2:34] Je4ss Voom: leroy can you show us some?

[2:34] You: Just Who do u Think YOU Are!

[2:35] Je4ss Voom: yay!

[2:35] Al Lurton is Online

[2:36] Je4ss Voom: "pontificate" - that word sounds dirty

[2:37] Teleport completed from http://slurl.com/secondlife/jokaydia%20III/110/196/22

[2:37] Connecting to in-world Voice Chat...

[2:37] Connected

[2:37] Al Lurton: soory .. batt too low hibernated ... crashed .. I'm texting in quiet room now :)

[2:39] Al Lurton: beautiful in here

[2:40] jokay Wollongong: Amazing isnt it Al

[2:41] Je4ss Voom: its sooo cute

[2:42] Al Lurton: the shades and tones .. use of light

[2:42] Al Lurton: yes cinema!!!!!

[2:44] Je4ss Voom: out of interest, does anyone know where i can get a crop circle?

[2:45] Al Lurton: there are a number of banned residents

[2:48] syota Sawson shouts: ぐっさん〜

[2:50] Al Lurton: i was on the steps talking crop circles with Jess lol

[2:51] Al Lurton: my glasses can see so many people around here .. but I dont

[2:53] Je4ss Voom: thanks i got lots

[2:53] Je4ss Voom: lost*

[2:53] Star Champagne Bucket Gold (Sculpted): Sparkling champagne makes any day a special occasion,  Al Lurton !

[2:54] Je4ss Voom: hehehhe

[2:55] Al Lurton: I ncam across a room that was being used in avery private way just now

[2:55] Al Lurton: I was embarrassed *giggle*

[2:56] Al Lurton: there are private parts around here

[2:57] Al Lurton: how long did it take you to realise that you were there looking for 5 minutes!!!????/

[2:58] Isa Goodman is Offline

[2:58] Al Lurton: om gosh how did that happen?

[2:58] Al Lurton: snuggling

[2:58] Al Lurton: think of it like trampolining or skipping

[3:02] Al Lurton: I'm always in world lol

[3:03] Je4ss Voom: hey al!

[3:04] Je4ss Voom: have you got voice?


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Facilitating Online/Meetings/FO08-Discussion forums

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Joined on 4 September 2008 at 20:11

StaffMember: So sorry Daryl!! I forgot the recorder again!!!

StaffMember: is on now

StaffMember: perhaps know when to share these roles

Grant Comber: Sorry Grant blog still work in progress will post via wikieducator soon

Illya:

kay lewis: one way to distribute that knowledge in the teacher-driven class is to ask that student to teach someone else

kay lewis: the teacher then facilitates the student to become a teacher

Grant Comber: Yes Kay I found this works especially with the quick learners ahead of the pack

Illya: people with fixed expectation tend to get angry or frustrated when these expectations are not met

Illya: the expectations need to be dealt with

StaffMember: your blog URL Kay?

kay lewis: http://906703fockaylewis.blogspot.com/

Daryl Cook: lol kay – know how it feels!

StaffMember: NZQA = New Zealand Qualifications Authority

StaffMember:

StaffMember: hope so

StaffMember: facilitator > teacher > moderator maybe = to tutor > lecturer > dean

StaffMember: in the higher ed context

Vida Thompson: http://www.vidafoc.blogspot.com/

Daryl Cook: i'm guilty of not responding too ;(

kay lewis: sure thanks Leigh, it's on the to do list tomorrow

Illya: I got your response today, daryl

Vida Thompson: yes

Illya: comments keep the discussion going

Grant Comber: Cultural context is also important & cannot be ignored as I learnt teaching in a Maori learning environment

Illya: no hurry!

Daryl Cook: doing that tomorrow!

Vida Thompson: yesLeigh I see what you mean

Illya: management levels

Bron Stuckey: hello people

Illya: hi Bron

Daryl Cook: hi Bron

Bron Stuckey: hi Illya

Daryl Cook: yes!

StaffMember: Step Up Program?

Bron Stuckey: what are we talking about? Sorry I am late

Daryl Cook: trying to think of facilitation in different contexts other than EDU

Bron Stuckey: k

Daryl Cook: have been though each others blogs - what we're up to

Bron Stuckey: k

StaffMember: Bron - for eg so far, Daryl suggested community focus group project facilitation

StaffMember: I suggested journalist

Bron Stuckey: lots to learn form what happens outside education

Daryl Cook: community engagement/consultation

Bron Stuckey: I worked on two large civic projects as a facilitator

kay lewis: http://www.stepupfoundation.co.nz/

StaffMember: thanks Kay - perhaps a post to your blog will articulate your thinking more?

Bron Stuckey: Listen to the City was the project in NYC

Bron Stuckey: lots to learn and it aint all happening in education

Bron Stuckey: looks ate what's happening in civics, corporate, not-for profit and other secotrs

Bron Stuckey: *sectors

Bron Stuckey: * at not ate - although it is dinner time

Bron Stuckey: bron will blog about learning outside education

Bron Stuckey: Evidence of community in an online forum - can we "see" it there in the visible public spaces?

kay lewis: and then you become a marketer to "brand" the blogs?

Bron Stuckey: clearly a community or clearly wants to be a community?

Daryl Cook: not sure I agree that you need to be "out of the picture" leigh

StaffMember: exactly

StaffMember: hopefully that will emerge in the comparison

Bron Stuckey: yes the comparison will surfaces LOADS of issues

Grant Comber: Issue of whether the online community the goal or side product?

Bron Stuckey: yes grant - good way to put it

Bron Stuckey: cool

Illya: it's clear now

Bron Stuckey: hav listen to other meeting

kay lewis: Thank you Leigh for your support and guidance

Bron Stuckey: yes - good series of tasks for us to get our teeth into

Grant Comber: Been thought provoking - thanx Leigh

kay lewis: yes Sir!

Daryl Cook: no problems

Vida Thompson: Thanks Leigh looking forward to finding online communities

Illya: thanx, Leigh

Vida Thompson: See you

Bron Stuckey: good night everyone

Daryl Cook: ciao everyone

Bron Stuckey: ciao4now

Illya: bye

kay lewis: good night to all

Grant Comber: See ya

Left on 4 September 2008 at 21:04

license: Creative Commons - Attribution Share-Alike - https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/


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Facilitating Online/Meetings/FO08-Facilitating, teaching and moderating

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Joined on 19 August 2008 at 10:05

Greg Barcelon: Greg here, hello!

nancy riffer: Hi, Elderbob

violeta cautin: Hello everyone

violeta cautin: Thanks for the flower

Mary-Doug Wright: and hi from Vancouver, BC

Bee: Hello...good morning, afternoon, evening to all

Amy Lenzo: can you hear me?

nancy riffer: No, we can't

Bee: no cannot hera you

StaffMember: all fixed bee?

Bee: yes

StaffMember: yes

violeta cautin: yes

Amy Lenzo: yep- we can hear you!

Jeffrey Keefer: Hi, Bee!

Vida Thompson: Hi Bee

Greg Barcelon: Question: Is there a facility in the platform to see how each member of the community has been participating in the"course"?

violeta cautin: Nice to hear you, Bee!

Bee: Hi Violeta

Sarah Stewart: Hi Greg, I guess the main platform is each person's blogs

Bee: http://beespace.net

Daryl Cook: darylcook.com

nancy riffer: What is the role of the group discussion as it relates to the discussions between blogs.

Bee: definitions narrow down the complexity but are a good start for discussions

Bee: Hi Elderbob

StaffMember: lol

Amy Lenzo: http://allislight.typepad.com/facilitating_online_commu (Amy Lenzo's FOC blog)

StaffMember: http://eldertown.us/home

Sarah Stewart: LOL

StaffMember: yellow crookneck squash!?

Amy Lenzo: nice blog, elder!

Sarah Stewart: great to hear from you, elder

Jennifer Verschoor: Hello from Argentina

Sarah Stewart: Where's here eaxactly, elder?

violeta cautin: hmm I am hungry now

Daryl Cook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_crookneck_squash

Bee: Texas?

Sarah Stewart: wish we were there too!

Amy Lenzo: YUM!

Bee: Hmmm...smells delicious

Mary-Doug Wright: that squash is really delicious

Greg Barcelon: I did and I believe I am having diff with mic

Amy Lenzo: try when Leigh is off

Greg Barcelon: go ahead while i fix it

Bee: oh cucurbita pepo?

Elderbob Brannan: Maybe Gregg is cooking casserole too

violeta cautin: Hi Greg! I liked your definition of community it was really clear for me and structured.

StaffMember: yes

Amy Lenzo: hi Jeff!

Jeffrey Keefer: http://silenceandvoice.com/

violeta cautin: hear you wel

Amy Lenzo: we can hear you

Daryl Cook: good now

Bee: Hi Jeff

StaffMember: heard you too greg, so back to you next

Sarah Stewart: One of my all time dreams is to go to New York

Bee: beautiful city

Mary-Doug Wright: fantastic city - haven't been since '82

Sarah Stewart: Great to hear from soemone else in health

violeta cautin: how can I put the blog back? I'm so sorry

Sarah Stewart: might have to pop out

violeta cautin: I forgot everyone was seeing what I do in the slide

Amy Lenzo: click on the url, v

Amy Lenzo: go back up to where the link appeared & click it

StaffMember: yes

StaffMember: great

Amy Lenzo: yes!

Bee: hello Greg

violeta cautin: ok did it thanks

Jeffrey Keefer: If any of you make it to NYC, by all means let me know. Drinks are on me!

Amy Lenzo: ok!

Bee: I will...next year in April, Jeff

Amy Lenzo: bornea

Bee: Borneo?

violeta cautin: If you ever come to Iquique, drinks and empanadas!

Bee: Brunei?

Greg Barcelon: www.servant02.wordpress.com

Daryl Cook: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunei

Jennifer Verschoor: sorry can´t speak got my kids around

violeta cautin: If I navigate through the website in the web tour do you all see it?

Mary-Doug Wright: that makes me smile - it's my dogs I have to worry about

StaffMember: yes

violeta cautin: hello

violeta cautin: really soft

Bee: HI Mary

Jeffrey Keefer: Can hear you a little.

Jennifer Verschoor: very slow

Amy Lenzo: we can hear you, but you're very soft

Vida Thompson: yes i can hear you

Mary-Doug Wright: http://www.apexinformation.com/meldinme

Jeffrey Keefer: I love Vancouver. Went there for Northern Voice for the last two years.

Mary-Doug Wright: Actually, my name is Mary-Doug - it's confusing

Elderbob Brannan: Mary, have we met at Knowplace, before?

Sarah Stewart: Skip over me, Leigh - I'm trying to be too clever and have 2 meetings open so are audio is a little challenging. I am a squatter in this course. Am really here to see how things are going as I did the course last year. I am a midwifery lecturer at Dunedin in the same institution as Leigh: http://sarah-stewart.blogspot.com

StaffMember: Sorry Mary-Doug

Bee: no voice

Mary-Doug Wright: Knowplace - I don't know about this, so will check it out

nancy riffer: I'll check and listen again

Bee: sarah is multitasking

Mary-Doug Wright: No problem, people call me Mary all the time!

Daryl Cook: Mary-Doug. I see you love boxers. me too. i have a white one!

Amy Lenzo: maybe Nancy could introduce herself usign chat...?

Jeffrey Keefer: I can hardly hear you.

Mary-Doug Wright: Too funny. We'll have to talk boxers another time

Elderbob Brannan: http://knowplace.ca I do some work there.

Sarah Stewart: yep, thats Terry

Elderbob Brannan: Its near van couver.

Sean McKee: http://www.seanpmckee.net/blog

Bee: Hola Sean!

Elderbob Brannan: This is really a very impressive group.

Jennifer Verschoor: Very active group!!

Jennifer Verschoor: Just arrived from Japan and it´s hard to catch up

Bee: Were is Vida?

Bee: Where?

Elderbob Brannan: Yes, it is Jennifer...I am learning a lot just reading the post and following the links that come up.

nancy riffer: http://nowpracticingcommunity.blogspot.com

violeta cautin: I have no mic sorry

Vida Thompson: Sorry had to leave for a minute am back now

violeta cautin: I'm an English as a Foreign Language teacher in Chile

StaffMember: ok Vida. back to you in a tick

violeta cautin: htt://fco08violeta.blogspot.com

Vida Thompson: Ok

Bee: voice violeta?

Amy Lenzo: thanks, Nancy!

StaffMember: http://fco08violeta.blogspot.com/

Daryl Cook: @bee she hasnt got a mike

Sarah Stewart: I've got a headache trying to listen to 2 Elluminate conversations

StaffMember: lol

Amy Lenzo:

StaffMember: link vida?

violeta cautin: Bee: I'm the one that wrote you the other day. Thanks for your help

Bee: I know. You're welcome, Violeta

Jennifer Verschoor: Illya had a great idea about creating a buddy

Vida Thompson: http;//www.vidaFoc.blogspot.com

StaffMember: http://www.vidafoc.blogspot.com/

violeta cautin: yes! it was

Amy Lenzo: it might be a great exercise to summarize the definitions we came up with

Amy Lenzo:

Bee: on a wiki page

Elderbob Brannan: That would be a good permanent place to put the information.

Bee: absolutely

Elderbob Brannan: It strikes me that "Community" is more of an organic term, than something more definite.

Elderbob Brannan: Communites contiually change and grow.

Sean McKee: Perhaps people could add a comment to the course blog with a link back to the definition they had posted?

Amy Lenzo: perfect, sean

Bee: right

Bee: good

Amy Lenzo: but what's the course blog?

Sean McKee: http://facilitatingonlinecommunities.blogspot.com/

Amy Lenzo: we may lose the energy of the definition process if we wait that long...

Bee: I think we can summarize it

Amy Lenzo: agreed

Bee: all of us

Amy Lenzo: all of us, exactly

Bee: or those who are interested

Amy Lenzo:

Greg Barcelon: Sorry friends, I have to sign off and go to my face to face event today. I am on the 2nd day with 18 participants on a workshop that addresses Personal Effectiveness.

violeta cautin: wasn't that a project for the wiki week?

violeta cautin: good luck Greg

Jeffrey Keefer: Good luck with it, Greg!

Bee: we can lay the main threads

Elderbob Brannan: Nice to meet you Greg.

Greg Barcelon: thanks violeta, elderbob

Amy Lenzo: you're a brilliant facilitator, Leigh! I posted on the mailing list some of the reasons why

Bee: Why did you call the course facilitating online communities and not just facilitating online?

StaffMember: thanks Amy

StaffMember:

StaffMember: good on you Sean!

violeta cautin: I was impressed and a little bit intimidated by the experience of participants!

StaffMember: me too!

Jeffrey Keefer: You and I both, Violeta.

Jennifer Verschoor: I´ve been away so imagine how I feel!!

Vida Thompson: Sorry all I have to leave have 9 students in all of a sudden & can't do both. Will post to my blog & lsiten to teh recording

Amy Lenzo: we're taling about all kinds of things when we say "community" as we've shown in our definitions

Bee: exactly

Bee: community can be a "loaded" word

Elderbob Brannan: This is one of those moments, when I wish my stove was closer to my PC.....I could stir my squash and listen at the same time.

Amy Lenzo: there's a tendency to call any online interaction a "community"...

Elderbob Brannan: Bye Vida

violeta cautin: good point! like it loses its meaning from using it so much

Sean McKee: I like the idea of a comparison of online communities with offline ones. There are direct comparisons that are translatable to the online space but there are additional factors to consider when we rely upon technology to establish, nurture and evolve an online community group.

Daryl Cook: concur

StaffMember: nice

Bee: communities have borders and by having borders they are somehow divisive

StaffMember: hmm

Amy Lenzo: and on one level we are all part of the human community

Bee: how can you set up a community?

Bee: a community comes together

Amy Lenzo: so wherever we gather and connect with each other is part of that ability to "commune" together

Elderbob Brannan: You can establish a set of circumstances and hope for the best or maybe even do good faciilitation

Elderbob Brannan: and come up with "community"

Amy Lenzo: there has to be a need - a call for shared interaction about soemthing of importance to those called to participate

Sarah Stewart: I do think that 'community of practice' is the buzz phrase at the moment

Bee: what is the difference between a community of practice and a guild/

Elderbob Brannan: Ex. Give everyone a similar technology and let them use it to create from.

Sarah Stewart: COP is supposed to fix all ills

Jennifer Verschoor: must leave now. Will start following closely this COP

Sarah Stewart: LOL jeffrey

Sarah Stewart: bye jennifer

Elderbob Brannan: I live in one community that developed from a set of physical circumstances, but it also contains a community of practice based on the primary source of income here.

Daryl Cook: old habits die hard eh JK?

Elderbob Brannan: Bye Jennifer.

Bee: ciao Jennifer

Sean McKee: Rather than using the often-mentioned "Community of Practice" perhaps we are instead talking about "working groups." I think that "community" goes beyond a narrowly focused set of interests.

Bee: why call online courses ...communities? they are classes, courses which eventually may (or not) form a community

Sarah Stewart: agree bee

Jeffrey Keefer: That is exactly what I recently blogged about as well.

Elderbob Brannan: Yes and no, Sean....it might and it might not.

Daryl Cook: oh no, not the squash!

Amy Lenzo: I just blogged about that too! It MUST be true

Bee: lol

StaffMember: Jeffery brought up aspects of barriers to community (the sense of) - in this case - technology.. and in other cases, income and access to tech

Jeffrey Keefer: I agree, Amy!

Elderbob Brannan: Are we using the right word, Bee? Is there some better phrase that fits the subject.

malikrichardson: You cannot have a community w/o relationships...

StaffMember: realtionships and trust

Elderbob Brannan: Even relationships and trust are not absolutes....they can be measured at many levels.

Bee: just facilitation online

Elderbob Brannan: there are communities of little trust and those of great trust.

Amy Lenzo: each of those titles mean something unique and specific, Leigh.

Elderbob Brannan: BRB, I have to stir.

Amy Lenzo: what the course is called (should) indicate the content

Daryl Cook: thought: control does not work in complex environments

Jeffrey Keefer: These times work for us, as we are all here now. Is there a way to send a poll to the entire email group?

Bee: do not give your thoughts

Bee: do not bias us

Bee: lol

Bee: when do we start SL pre-facilitation?

Sarah Stewart: we can arrange to meet up any time we fancy cant we?

Amy Lenzo: I'm sorry, friends, I have another call I have to go to now. I'm so glad I figured out how to get on this platform (I couldn't get it to work on Leopard, and had to use another computer)! See you on the course, and on my blog! I look forward to hearing the record of the rest of the conversation...

Sarah Stewart: bye amy

Elderbob Brannan: Im gonna have to listen to the recording, my supper commands my attention.

Elderbob Brannan: Im in a squash casserole community right now.

Sarah Stewart: enjoy elder

Bee: are you posting the text chats from these meetings in Elluminate on the wiki, Leigh?

Bee: so we can browse quickly and not have to log into Elluminate?

Bee: good

Daryl Cook: thanks folks    ciao

Elderbob Brannan: I have enjoyed it all very much.

Jeffrey Keefer: Thank you!!!

Sean McKee: Thank you!

Bee: thanks Leigh and it was great to meet you

Mary-Doug Wright: bye all - thanks so much and nice to meet you

Jeffrey Keefer: bye Amy

Elderbob Brannan: be sure to get a bowl of virtual squash casserole as you exit the room.

Sarah Stewart: cheers, and take care everyone

Bee: thanks...tastes soooo goood

nancy riffer: Thank you, all.

Elderbob Brannan: Thanks and bye.

Sarah Stewart: bye

Jeffrey Keefer: See you all online.

Sean McKee: See you on the blogs!

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Section 2: Existence
1.	Think of an apple that you hold in your hand. You know it exists because you perceive it. It does not exist because you perceive it; but simply exists because it is there. So we can say “Everything that exists; exists.” But how does the apple exist?

2.	The apple surely came from a tree; unless you are in the practice of making apples from elements. The tree came from a seed. The seed came from an apple. And so on; back to the first. Whether tree or apple came first; the original prodigy of the apple came to be; and we know this by the fact that we know the apple exists. The apple’s seed contains genetic information that leads to the formation of a new tree; and hence more apples which contain more seeds. Originally; a tree must have come to have given of itself; to create a seed. Thus in this way; the existence of the seed was created. For only through giving of one’s self; can creation come to be. And only through creation are all physical things that are come into being, and as only through creation are all physical things that are; all individual physical things are part of creation.

3.	But I ask of you “What created the act of creation in itself?”.

4.	With a lack of something; there is something to fill that lack. For does not energy flow from high to low? For creation is much the same as knowledge and energy; it flows from high to low. Does an artist paint on a painting already painted? Or does the artist paint on a blank canvas? And this finished painting; once painted on a blank canvas; can be appreciated; and inspire the ones who see it! It is in this way; that only through creation; are all physical things that are; and all individual things are part of creation.

5.	Just as you become as an instrument of creation when you may paint a painting; God became as creation through creating all that is. And so; God’s image exists in everything; as without God there would be nothing.

6.	For without creation; creation could not come to be created.

7.	For what could create creation; but creation itself? Could a painting paint itself?

8.	It is in this way; that our Creator; and all things of Creation; is known as our creator.

9.	But you may ask “How was God created?”,“who created God?”, and “who created God’s Creator?”. Do you ask “but how was the artist who painted this beautiful painting created?” when you see the artist’s painting? You simply know; that there was an artist. And God is the artist who painted this beautiful painting that is the universe. God is the creator. God is, was and will be. It is really that simple; and yet mind-boggling in its simplicity. This is not to say God created God.

10.	For I said to you “Everything that physically exists was created.”

11.	God became as creation; when he created creation. For before there was creation; all that there was everything there was; and yet nothing, a contradiction.

12.	From this we say God exists without the physical creation; of his own right.

13.	But I say to you “how can something exist; if it does not exist physically?”

14.	I ask you “Does time exist?”

15.	 How do you prove time exists? By the effect; and apparent action of said thing. It is in this manner that man proves that which he does not fully understand.

16.	Has anyone found the “physical manifestation of time in an object that causes time?”; save for the effect on physical matter that is in existence?

17.	 Much as an apple in your hand is observed to exist; it is the by effect and observation of time that we know time exists.

18.	And by effect and observation we can know God exists.

19.	But how can we measure the “effect of God?”, or the “observation of God’s action”?

20.	We observe creation. For I say to you “Existence was created. For only through creation are all physical things that are come into being, and as only through creation are all physical things that are; all individual physical things are part of creation.”

21.	Thus; it is said that God exists without time; and without space.

22.	But you may ask “how can we say that God exists without time?”, and “how can we prove God exists without space?”. For this we must go into how all of creation was created.


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Section 3: Creation
1. Before the beginning our perceptions of existence in our universe; there was God; and God always was. And physically there was nothing. And physically everything was nothing.

2. For it was a time without time; a nothing that was everything; a distance that had no distance. It wasn’t anything and it yet it was all there was.

3. And God was.

4. For God could contradict self if so chosen; and it was as willed. And so  chosen by God; God came to will not to contradict any longer. And it was as it was.

5. It is in this way; by God’s will that existence came to be created by God.

6. And all things were created in his image; for it was the creation of God that was that image.

7. And so it came to pass by his will; that there was space and time in which to expand his creation.

8. And so God willed, they were to be and they were both of the image of God. And God was so very pleased with this.

9. And God set forth rules for this movement of energy; and that there would be energy; and the lack thereof.

10. And there was darkness in which to expand the light.

11. And there was light in which to fill the darkness.

12. And there was energy to fill the lack of energy.

13. And there was mass to fill the lack of mass.

14. And there were many simple systems by God’s will.

15. And it was that simple systems in a large number; working together; in this way; make a complicated system.

16. And so it began.


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Section 3: The Creator
1.	God is a title. There are many Gods that man worships throughout the world. What is referred to in this text by the title of God; is the creator of all there is; and is “I AM WHO I AM”.

2.	 Often times; a name and title are confused in reference to God. God’s true name is not God. It is not “The Lord”. It is “I AM”. Humanity often chooses to give name to this creator; for without name; something cannot easily be spoken of. A name is a label for something that we give it to bring understanding in our limited means. If I ask you “What are you?”; would you not tell me of yourself by actions, thoughts, belief, and appearances? I ask that you think of what you really are. You are you; just as the Creator is the Creator. This is why the true God is “I am who I am”.

3.	 But I say to you “For the true God is in all that is; and is “I am who I am””.

4.	But you may ask “What of the other Gods?”

5.	Mankind is capable of creating what they call “Gods” by thought-form. This does not mean that these Gods are the creator. In example; if one chooses to believe in a God called “Etronim”; that person has created a thought-form. These thought-forms may have a great power; but recognize that this power comes from your belief. But the true God, “I am”; the God of Gods has set forth commandment regarding this: “Thou shalt have no other gods before me”. These thought-form Gods are not the true creator of all there is; for they were created by man by free will; and man in turn created by “I AM WHO I AM”.

6.	What is referred to as God in this text; is the creator of all that is, and the true “God”.

7.	Man may have many names for their God, the creator of all things; but they are given by man; and not the Creator. The creator is “I am who I am”. What we title as “God” is a title; and the “I am” cannot be given a true name by any man. But God has given us “I am" as God’s name. When someone asks who you are; you may respond with your name.  But to sum up all of your doings and being into one name would be nearly impossible.  Names are given to define things.  This is why we call the Creator; “I am”.  God is a title.

8.	The reason we say the name of the true God is “Yahweh” is that Yahweh means “I AM”, and “I AM” is God’s Name. In Exodus 3: 13-15, God told Moses, “I AM WHO I AM; thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’” Then He added this command:

“Say to the Israelites, “Yahweh”, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’ This (I am) is My Name forever, the Name by which I am to be remembered from generation to generation.”

9.	If you read that again; and think about it; “I AM” shows which God; by saying “The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob”.

10.	 Who is man to give name to I AM? You may have been told “We all follow the same God; just give God different names”. We do not all follow the same God; for the true God has given us God’s purest name; and the gods created by thought-form have given us back only what we have given them the ability to. We gave name to these Gods. These other Gods besides “I AM” are “gods” man has created, and are just that, created by man. By man’s belief they gain their power. Thought-forms are more powerful than you might think. Simply by believing; man has created “gods”. But these “gods” are not the true creator! “God”, and Even “The Creator” are both titles.

11. You must recognize the difference between a name and a title. A title is an identifying appellation signifying status or function. A name is an identity. Thus the purest name “I AM” could give is “I AM”.


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Dedication and invocation
"Truth like water takes the form of the vessel within which it is housed..."

Web-logging /bloggin
I endeavoured to secure some other learning partners in this initiative but have not been successful in securing their input. I have resolved to just continue and weblog my progress and challenges: User:B9 hummingbird hovering/Blog/Learning Tibetan Weblog B9 hummingbird hovering 12:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

If anybody would like to learn Tibetan contact me as I have an ocean of resources I haven't yet documented in this learning initiative.

Register of mentors
This Register of Mentors is established in trust, if u do anyfink nordy wif 'em Ekadzati'll getcha! Soha B9 hummingbird hovering 08:49, 23 July 2009 (UTC) Amilolo

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Section 4: Free Will
1. We are not supposed care too much over evil. Evil wills to distract you from God’s will. It wants to fool you into thinking it is important and right above all else. But without evil; we would not know what Good is. For ultimately evil serves a greater purpose; free will. When you look at God’s reaction to evil; it’s to ignore it; for God already knows what good is. The whole point of free will; is to choose.

2. What is free will? Free will is the ability to choose. Just as you can choose to stop reading this now; you can also choose many things. This is not to say that another’s choice will not affect your own. For example: you may choose to break the laws of the land; but it is another’s choice to punish you for those laws.

3. But you may ask “What is evil?”. Evil is the opposite of God’s will; and is manifest in the opposer.

4. But how you may ask; “how, if God knows all things, which includes what we will do, can we have free will?”. This is simple. God has given us free will to choose what we will do; and given to us will of our own; by giving of his own will. God so loved us that he gave his gift of free will to us; to choose between God’s will and the will of the opposer of God’s will. For God created free will in us by giving a part of God to us; he knows what we are to do with that part. It is God's Plan that we Have Free Will, So God's plan must be fulfilled; that we have free will. If you say that God knows all things then whatever God knows to come true must. God knowing that we should have our free will must come to pass or come true also. So therefore if it's God's will that we should make our own decisions despite what God knows of them, then it will be so.

5. The opposer of God's will does not deserve kindness, but instead neutrality, or at least a peace.

6. Don't waste your kindness on people who will trample it.

7. That's why we should be careful to not mix the boundaries of our care & concern for those who do not really & truly care in and concern for us. We get hurt that way. Because some are not always welcoming of our love, concern, affections.

8. This is why God keeps separate, to not damage God’s Holiness and to be careful to not merge it with evil in any way.

9. That is why those people who sin are separated from God's Love. They don't feel it because they're separated from it, because they don't have it because God hasn't given it.

10. That's why even the Bible says sin separates us from God.

11. That does not mean God loves us so much even with our sin, no, it means God wants to separate from us because God does hate us because of our sin, but will only forgive us & love us if God sees that we are repenitive in the future. Or else there was & would be no point to God loving us in the first place, if it was all to waste.

12. God Doesn't waste God’s love. This is only for the Faithful, The Elect, God's love For God’s "Bride". How can you be Married Spiritually to someone who does not Love you back?

13. The sinners are not God’s Bride, or Christ's Bride, these people who do not wish to share in this Love, which Is God’s. This Love was not meant for them. God knows who will choose, and who will not.

14. Those not choosing of God will perish. God's love, mercy, and salvation is not given to those who would reject it. That's why their just punishment is in hell, God's eternal hatred.

15. But God is willing to sacrifice for those God knows will love God eventually. Even if they don't now, they will, and God sees the future of who will. Jesus died to pay the sin for all ("whosoever believes"). Anyone can receive salvation, they must only confess with their mouth and believe in their heart. But many refuse to accept His death as a covering for their sin. He died for the ability of all to receive forgiveness but free will allows us to ignore the overcoat of Jesus' blood and continue on our own. God is for the people who accept the overcoat of forgiveness, God's people. God is against the rest, the mostly evil ones, because they are first against Him.

16. For them, the ones who do not accept God’s love; there is no love, as they do not give love to God. Because the sinners don't even know what love is to even give it; for they are separated from God’s love. For you must know it to give it.

17. This is why we're not here in it for the lost souls that will eventually choose Hell, and need not worry about those, but only here for those who would receive their salvation.

18. So it's not for us to say or judge, sometimes, when we don't know. We just do our part, let the pieces fall where they may, as it is for the individual to choose. We're here for the ones who want salvation, not here for the ones who don't. We don't force it, we offer it; then everything falls into place for those who want it, and for those who don't want it; befalls destruction.

19. It's not for us to worry about who chooses what. That's not up to us or within our power, so worry is futile. We're to be carefree in the Spirit of God. To not let anything bring our spirit down.

Edits: Verse 14&15: --Alainn Cairdeas 23:54, 21 July 2009


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Section 6: Sin
1. The oposer of God’s will; may show you many things that appear to be of God. The opposer may show you kindness; and respect; and may say to you “Does not God want you to respect and show kindness?”.

2. But I say to you; “What is the outcome of this respect and kindness?”; for without positive action there is sin involved.

3. Thus it is said; that opposite of positive action is sin. That lack of positive and negative action is a neutral state; which can be time for pondering of future and past action.

4. But you may ask “what is positive action?”; for you might have heard "The road to hell is paved with good intentions"; which says that sometimes we do the wrong thing even though we had intended to do the right thing. Remember that intentions are not actions.

5. The answer is simple. Do not fool yourself into thinking you have done good action if there is sin involved; for if sin is involved you didn’t do good.

6. Positive action is for wellbeing, peace, and harmony of all involved in the decision and action. Positive action is by these definitions; the will of God. Thus said; it is the will of God for all to be at peace and well, and that true positive action is enough wellbeing, peace, and harmony of all.

7. The opposer of God’s will; may show kindness and compassion; because warring doesn't gain support. The true action is to gain support for the cause of opposing God’s will; and in turn creating a lack of peace; and a lack of harmony in all. And thus said; kindness and compassion with bad action is Sin.

a) True kindness occurs when you’re altruistically helpful to one or more beings.

b) False kindness, on the other hand, occurs when you’re nice, but harmful to one or more beings.

c) For example, you may have a drug-addicted or alcoholic friend who asks for money you know will be used to purchase     alcohol or drugs. Giving your friend money may be nice, but you’ll hurt his body and mind if you do so.   And so said; the kindness is false; and sin in this case.

8. Love the sinner; disregard the sin.

9. And so you see that sin is the opposing of God’s will for wellbeing, peace, and harmony of all involved in the decision and action.

10. Thus I ask “Is killing with the action of bringing peace sin?”. The answer is that it is sin. For killing certainly affects the wellbeing of an individual. However; there is an exception.

11. Thus I ask “Is killing in self defense sin?”. The answer is that it is not sin. For that which has sought to kill you; has sought to take away from your well being. It is not sin to preserve your own life if need be. If someone attempted to harm you, eliminating or leaving that threat is something we are all to do, to protect ourselves - and consequently, the antagonist's death is their own fault; for they have effectively committed suicide by risking an attack.

12. God keeps evil around for a good reason, so that we can have choice. Without evil there is no choice to do either good or evil.

13. Without choice to do either good or evil; no reflection of choice. No Free will.


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Section 8: Nations
1. It is in by the understanding of killing in self defense; that war by the nation attacked; against a nation that attacks first is not sin.

2. And by killing the soldiers that support the cause of the nation that attacked first; we are as a nation; defending ourselves.

3. The body’s natural and healthy mechanism does not operate in sin. It operates as a model nation should; a whole through the parts of the many. It has a nervous system to direct it’s operation; and a supply system to supply the needs of each individual cell in the body. It is much in this way that the body acts as a nation composed of many individuals. For without those individuals; there would be no nation.

4. Think of white blood cells, the soldiers of our bodies; which protect us from outside contaminant. The white blood cells do not leave the body in search of contaminant; but attack once detected in the body.

5. As long as the soldiers never leave a nation; and do not attack its own inhabitants; they can never be attacked without causing sin.

6. Think of the wars this would save! If soldiers never left nations!

7. But I say that there will always be elements acting outside the body; causing discord by attempting to cause harm to the body; even from within. Eliminating these elements is the purpose of the white blood cell.

8. But there is a loophole to this metaphor; and it is cancer. This is a grave topic indeed. Normally; all the cells in the body; act per God’s will. When the genetic makeup of these cells is damaged and they no longer operate correctly; they may come to multiply beyond normal means. The white blood cells will not attack cancer; for it is seen as part of the “nation”. This is not to say that a person with cancer is a sinner. For it is not! The cells of the body have betrayed the body. The inhabitants of the nation have betrayed the nation by affecting its operation! Is the government in sin because it does not kill those who multiply to excess? No.

9. We should give careful consideration when considering the desire to reproduce. Do not reproduce beyond your means for support by doing your own work in the body that is a nation; or you become as a cancer; betraying your nation; by taking away support from the other people who need it, and you are in sin.

10. Think again; of the cells in the body. In a healthy body; they do their job; and live and die in harmony. They each do their work to help the whole of the body; and by giving of their work to the body; they are supplied by the body with the necessities of life.

11. Thus we each give of our proceeds from work; back to the government which is the nervous system of our nation. And it is for the good of the whole; as the individual cell could not survive as long without the help of the body. And the nation will provide us with protection and guidance; just as your nervous system helps to provide support for life.

12. Thus it is said; we should act as the model of our bodies which were created in the image of God in considerations involving our actions in the nation we live.

13. But what if the nation chooses to wrong its inhabitants? For a nation’s actions must be weighed as God’s will or Sin; in accordance with what I have said to you of sin and the body that is a nation in itself. If we choose to cause harm to ourselves; it is sin.

14. Thus it is said; that any nation’s government that causes its inhabitants to sin; sins. And it is also said; that one who does not oppose Sin; is a sinner.

15. Thus; it is not God’s will that a nation cause a lack of wellbeing, peace, and harmony in its inhabitants.

16. For how can we oppose a nation’s sin from within without sinning against the nation; save by acting in God’s will? For example; let us say that a nation’s government sets forth a law that says that we must kill all of a certain race. We determine this as sin by referring back to “Good action is for wellbeing, peace, and harmony of all involved in the decision and action. Good actions are by these definitions; the will of God. Thus said; it is the will of God for all to be at peace and well, and that true good action is wellbeing, peace, and harmony of all”. Clearly it is sin. Then we reference back to “Thus I ask “Is killing in self defense sin?”. The answer is that it is not sin. For that which has sought to kill you; has sought to take away from your well being. It is not sin to preserve your own life if need be. If someone attempted to harm you, eliminating or leaving that threat is something we are all to do, to protect ourselves - and consequently, the antagonist's death is their own fault; for they have effectively committed suicide by risking an attack.” So; we determine that the ones who are being sinned against; should stand up with righteous judgment and for the will of God. Any who aid those who stand for the will of God; as long as what they are doing is not sin; are not sinners. And thus a revolution against a government that sins; by its people it sins against; is not sin. And also; it is not sin for any of those that aid in this fight for God’s will.

17. But remember carefully what I say. If there was sin involved; you did not have good action.


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Section 9: The meaning of life
1. The meaning of life is God. If you don't know that meaning personally, that it is God, then you don't know the meaning of your own life.

2. Only God can give life meaning, whether you like it or not. It's summed up answer. If you want me to tell you the meaning of all life itself, I say that meaning is God. Since God is everything, God is every answer to every question.

3. Think of Pi. It starts with 3. The first time Pi begins to repeat; it will start and end with 3. The trinity is 3. The first time Pi repeats; it would start back at the trinity. Yet Pi is unending. And thus said; God is the Alpha and the Omega; the beginning and the end; without beginning and end.


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Section 10: A purpose for humanity
1. To guide humanity to God’s will through positive action.

2. To better those around them by bettering yourself. But you may ask “how do you guide someone to God’s will?”. By giving to; without taking away. By showing by example God’s will; without taking away from God’s will.

3. You may ask “how do you show by example?”. The best example you can show someone is by being a living example. Live your life as best you can per God’s will.

4. It’s really that simple. Sometimes the best thing we can do for another; is to do the best we can for our self.


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This is where we will coordinate the conference programme and be aware of people around us.

Mini Conference FO09
Facilitators: please enter a proposed event, dates and times below (between 9th - 22nd November and if you haven't done so already start a thread in the discussion area for your proposal. All times in UTC/GMT please (NZ time is UTC +13 hours). Time zones can be calculated using this web site: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock

Online Discussion Forum Session
Title: Elearning Interaction Through Online Discussion Forum Date: 7.30 pm, Monday 16th November, (UTC/GMT + 13hrs) Facilitator:Krishan Mani (kmani@manukau.ac.nz) Presenter:Meena Adhikari (MIT) and Guest Speaker: Cherie Wright, Programme Leader National Certificate in Computing, Manukau Institute of Technology. Venue:Elluminate: meeting room here Description:For my Mini Conference I would like to discuss the Importance of Online interactionusing online discussions forums. How effective is asynchronous communication. Discuss some pros and cons of Online Discussions Forums. Share examples of online discussion and how users befit from it. Visit my blog for more details and dicussion about the topic. http://facilitationonlinekrishan.blogspot.com/ Back Up Plan: Skype (Skype ID: krishanmani83)

Meeting Recording : http://recp.dimdim.com/view/dimdim/4aee7fb0-23c8-102d-9515-003048642bd7

Chat Recording: http://recp.dimdim.com/chat/dimdim/4aee7fb0-23c8-102d-9515-003048642bd7

--Kmani 21:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Twitter Session
Title: All you need to know (can we use it in Education?) Date: 11 am, Friday 20th November, (UTC/GMT + 13hrs) Facilitator:Debra Maddocks (d.maddocks@ucol.ac.nz) Presenter:Kevin Brennan (UCOL) Venue:Elluminate: meeting room here Description:To explore the use of Twitter in Education via asynchronous discussion prompts/ Q&A before a facilitated presentation session by Kevin Brennan, eLearning Advisor, UCOL. During the week leading to the presentation, please make use of the following NING network site- SIGN UP HERE Back Up Plan:Details will be posted on the NING site as required DebraMaddocks 06:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC) Summary/Recording/Transcript: DebraMaddocks 08:07, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Going online to save the mala - early lessons from a web-based conservation planning process
Date: 2pm Monday 23 November Facilitator: Stephen Blyth Presenter: Caroline Lees, co-convenor Conservation Breeding Specialist Group Australasia (CBSG) Venue: TBD. Please RSVP and I will send a login to the webconferencing software - email Stephen at commonknowledge.net.nz Description: The Australasian CBSG recently trialled a virtual environment as an alternative to face-to-face conservation planning workshops. Focused on saving the endangered mala, which inhabits Australia's dry centre, an online workshop process unrolled over a two month period from early August 2009. A variety of technologies were used including phone calls, Skype and synchronous conversation using Vyew web conference software, along with email and a Google sites wiki. Sablyth 20:48, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Use of wikis in education
Title: How has wikieducator been used to support students learning in travel and tourism education Date: Wednesday November 18 at 1pm Facilitator:Rachel Byars (rbyars@tekotago.ac.nz) Presenter:Hillary Jenkins(Otago Polytechnic) Venue:Elluminate: meeting room here Duration:30 minutes Description:To explore the use of wikis in Education via Eluminate - Hillary Jenkins, Programme Manager - Travel & Tourism at Otago Polytechnic has been using wiki educator within their courses for a few years. She will present information on how the wiki can be used as both an educational and marketing tool for courses and how to motivate collaboration. If you would like to explore the wiki prior to the conference, please follow this link. At the end of the presentation there will be the opportunity for questions to Hilary. Back up plan: Skype rachel.byars Please note this event will be recorded and available on this wiki. Recording Information: If you missed out on this session, you can listen to the recording

Implementing online tools into your teaching
Title: How to implement online tools into your teaching) Date: Friday December 4 at 1pm)world times here Facilitator:Kylee Tindall (dssltd@xtra.co.nz) Presenter: Robin Heyden from Boston, US Venue: DimDim http://webmeeting.dimdim.com/portal/JoinForm.action?meetingRoomName=robinheyden Description:To find out how to implement online tools into your teaching via Eluminate - Please refer to the questions via email to support the open discussion Ktindall 1:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Googlereader and Del.icio.us - Link to Elluminate recording attached
Title: Organising your online activities using Googlereader and Del.icio.us Date: Friday 13 November at 11am Presenter: David McQuillan (DavidM@tekotago.ac.nz) Facilitator: Hilary Blamires, Otago Polytechnic, Wintec Hamilton Base (hilary@tekotago.ac.nz) Venue: Elluminate: meeting room here Description: To explore the use of Googlereader to organise multiple blogs, and Del.icio.us, a social bookmarking web service for storing,sharing,and discovering web bookmarks. Duration: 1 hour Link here: http://elluminate.tekotago.ac.nz/play_recording_confirmation.html Back up plan: Skype hblamires

Moodle, Ning, Wikieducator,Facebook and WiZiQ
Title: How Moodle, Ning, Wikieducator, Facebook and WiZiQ can be combined to enhance online Instruction Date: Monday the 23rd of November Time:8PM Duration: 1 Hour Facilitator: Catherine Taylor (catherinetaylor@inspire.net.nz) Presenters: Nellie Deutsch will be Co presenting with Gladys Gahona Venue: [WiZiQ] Description:To Discuss and Demonstrate techniques that facilitate active life-long learning. Look at ways in which Moodle (LMS)(CMS), Ning, Wikieducator, Facebook, and WiZiQ can be combined to share and enhance the facilitation of online instruction and learning via Blended Learning (BL) and Blended Online Learning (BOL) Modalities (see BOL workshops on WikiEducator and IT4ALL. Back up plan: Elluminate Recording Information:If you were unable to attend/access the conference please view the [recording ] The PowerPoint is available on [GoogleDocs][ to view also.

Virtual Office
Please Note: Change of presenter/Change of Date/time :)

Title: Creation of a virtual office for SPELD Manawatu. Date: 1st December 2009   Time: 2pm Facilitator:Heather Moran (h.moran@ucol.ac.nz) Duration: 20 mins Presenter:Mark Leonard Jones Venue:UPDATED DimDim  (meeting room name:  foc09heather ) Description:Mark is a UCOL BICT third year student embarking on a final industry project designing and implementing a virtual office for the Manawatu branch of Speldnz. Speldnz is a not for profit organisation that provides information, assessment and tuition to families, whanau, schools, businesses and individuals living with Dyslexia and other Specific Learning Disabilities. Back Up Plan: googlegroups email for cancellation if Dimdim doesnt work!

Making the transition
Title: Making the transition first steps from static materials to interactive online resources. Date: Thursday 10th December 14.00 NZ - world times here Duration: 1 hour Facilitator: Debra Robertson-Welsh Presenters: Three presenters from the Manukau Institute of Technology, Learning Technology Centre: Erle, Cameron and Lisa. Venue: Wimba Description: The presenters will give examples of how they have taken static teaching materials and converted them into interactive and online resources. Back up Plan: Elluminate Participation needed:Please put forward any area of interest that you would like the team to cover. If you have any items for discussion regarding making the move to using online communities for teaching and learning please send them to DebrarwUser_talk:Debrarw

Personal Learning Networks
Title: Discover your personal learning network Date: Tuesday 17th November 8pm NZ - world times here Duration: 40 mins Facilitators: Rosanne Wilson (rose.glenn@xtra.co.nz) Presenter: Anton Pienaar is a Senior Instructional Designer at e-Blended Learning Solutions (e-BLS) in New Plymouth. He has been involved internationally in the design and implementation of learning, teaching and assessment online. He holds an MA in Higher Education with a specialisation in E-learning in Higher Education and Learning Management Systems. He is a passionate teacher, having taught from high school level to post-graduate level. Anton has presented at several international conferences and is specifically researching the phenomenon of asynchronous communication online and its real influence on learning. Venue: *DimDim Description: We will be discussing personal learning networks and what they are. You will discover (if you haven't already) your own PLN. To prepare for this meeting please look at Joyce seitzinger's blog *. She discusses PLNs on her blog. She also did an excellent presentation at eFest on PLNs as well. When you enter the DimDim meeting room can you please use your first name as an identifier. Please also make sure your audio is functioning. Finally, there will be a small incentive prize for the person with the best participation in the meeting. Back up plan: A second meeting will be held on Thursday 19th November 8.30pm ONLY if the session fails.--Rosannew 08:01, 10 November 2009 (UTC) Recording of meeting. Access the DimDim recording of the meeting.  Access the DimDim chat transcript of the meeting.

Blogging for Preschoolers
Date: Monday 30 November 6pm NZ - world times here Facilitator: Adrienne Moyle (adrienne_moyle@yahoo.com) Presenters: Beverly Kaye and Tania Coutts. Venue: Elluminate http://elluminate.tekotago.ac.nz/index.html and click on Facilitating Online Communities 2009 Description: Beverly and Tania have been doing amazing things with blogs at Manaia Kindergarten in Northland. Hear about their action research project and how blogging has influenced the children's learning. Questions and discussion welcome. Back up plan: Should there be any problems with Elluminate at the Otago FOC09 meeting, we will move the meeting to Adrienne's Elluminate 30 day trial meeting room at http://www.elluminate.com/trial/p.go?pk=RHWefrsrU4XVPDCl. I will email basic user guides out with the session invitations, and will open the meeting half an hour early to assist newcomers to Elluminate to become familiar with the tools. Link to recording:http://elluminate.tekotago.ac.nz/play_recording.html?recordingId=1244766870485_1259552835472

Implementing blogs as a effective e-learning tool
Title: Implementing blogs as a effective e-learning tool Date: Asynchronous event (2 week period from 16th Nov 09 to 30th Nov 09) Facilitator:Meena Adhikari (madhikar@manukau.ac.nz) Presenter: Jagadish Ghimire (connect.jaggu@gmail.com) Venue:Visit my BLOG Mini Event for more details and begin discussion.

Description: Discussing blogs as a knowledge sharing,reflective,asynchronous tool for debate.The You Tube video link in my blog contains presentation on using blogs in a learning environment.It discusses the potential benefits and downsides to it.At the end, it will come down to what suits who, and if learning outcomes can be met with blogs in a online setup.Please post feedback through comments, and myself or the Guest SPeaker will get back to you as soon as we can.

Asynchronous activity transcript : EVENT BLOG

Learning outcomes fromthe event : Reflections

Cheers Meena

--Meena 21:17, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Using the Webex on-line conference tool
Guest Speaker: Eric Kwok

Type: On-line conference

Venue: Webex Conference room. See instructions below

Facilitator: hcarpentier@gmail.com

Date and time: Monday 30th November 2009, 14:00 (2pm), NZ time or Monday, 30th November 2009 at 01:00 UTC/GMT. Use to convert to your local time zone.

What will be covered:

-the WEBEX conference tool.

-Experience of using an online meeting tool.

The presenter will be Eric Kwok, Technical Manager, AsiaPac, Cisco System. Eric is based in Hong Kong and has been working for Cisco System for 8 years. He is Technical Manager for the Cisco Networking Academy Program. Eric is using Webex daily.

To join this session 1. Go to Webex 2. Enter your name and email address.

3. Enter the session password: cisco

4. Click "Join Now".

5. Follow the instructions that appear on your screen.

If you encounter any technical issues,

for the FC09 group -I will be logged in the Google group/Google mail/Skype (text only)

for participant non members the FC09 group

-I will be at the same time keeping an eye on the comments for this post.

Backup plan:

I have used Webex for more than 5 years and have had no experience of it crashing/not being available. If however we encounter a major setback (technical or otherwise), I will aim to reschedule the session fast. It does not make sense to talk about a tool without using it.

Looking forward to your company on the day !

The recording of this session is now available on

ePortfolio : 3 step reflective framework
Guest Speaker: Bronwyn Hegarty

V e n u e : eLluminate, back-up skype

Date and time : November 30, 2009 @ 8:00 PM(NZ)

Facilitator : Rosceli Valdrez email me at rosceli.valdrez@gmail.com

You are cordially Invited

visit my blog for more info http://roscelifacilitatingonlinecommunities.blogspot.com/2009_11_01_archive.html

See you there...

Resources that may be used for the mini conference

 * Tinychat - killian sibajene free chat room that also uses audio video conference
 * Skype - free conference call (better for small groups)
 * DimDim - free web conference, similar to Elluminate. Sarah Stewart's review of DimDim.
 * Second Life - virtual world
 * WiZiQ - free virtual classroom, similar to Elluminate
 * mikogo - free screen sharing / online meeting
 * Vyew - free screen sharing / online meeting
 * WebIQ - as mentioned by Leigh during the meeting on 14/10

Information that may be of interest
This is a great wiki resource with practical tips on how to facilitate online meetings/sessions. The wiki is called " synchfacilitation" - recommended by Alison Miller.

Live Webcast: The Top 10 Tips for Successful Webcasts: Friday, August 21, 2009 1:00 PM ET / 10:00 AM PT / 5:00 PM GMT Click here for more information.

Will Videoconferencing Kill Business Class Travel?

Brilliant tips from Nancy White on how to facilitate an online meeting: Teleconference Call Tips

Great advice: Learn the secret of a great web meeting.

Where Rubber Meets Road: Real Experiences Transitioning To Virtual Workshops by Julia Young, 10 November 2009

Where Rubber Meets Road (2): Six Traps to Avoid When Designing Your First Virtual Workshop by Julia Young, 12 November 2009

More work by Nancy White: http://www.fullcirc.com/wp/2009/12/30/my-old-online-facilitation-workshop-materials

How To Build An Online Community

Facilitating online. The Centre for Educational Technology at the University of Cape Town.

Enhancing online collaboration - ppt

Enhancing online collaboration - manual

ReadWriteWeb. Guide to Online Community Management

Difference between a network and community -

Past conferences
FO08 - This conference program is better viewed on Wikieducator, where the 2008 course was held


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Community Leadership Development
Title: Community Leadership Development - review and feedback Date: online discussion Duration: throughout the conference period Facilitators: Valerie Taylor with guests and friends Venue: blog posts, discussion page threads

Description:

 * Community Leadership Development - online, open education and skills development for individuals and groups working with community-based organizations to provide leadership training, needs assessment and planning, coordination and management of projects to benefit the community.

 * As Community Leadership Development is a new course modeled on FOC08 and CCK08, participants in the FOC08 Mini Conferences are uniquely qualified to provide input, feedback and suggestions.

 * Throughout the Mini Conference, questions about the content and the process for the course will be posted for review and comment. Summaries and links to contributions will be posted each day.

 * Questions, offers of collaboration welcome.

Moodling Online Learning
Title Moodling Online Learning Facilitator Craig Hansen Time 8pm Description I will be interviewing Bill Pugh, Director of BISAM (www.bisam.co.nz). Bill provides advice and guidance to us at the New Zealand Support & Education Trust about making the best choices with ICT. We are developing online learning opportunities for people working in OSCAR childcare programmes in New Zealand. Moodle is our platform, and Drupal is the front end. The ability to use both Open Source packages has significantly reduced our costs, opened new opportunities for making learning meaningful, and provided a plethora of communication and collaboration tools. I'll be doing the interview 1-1, after receiving questions from interested parties. The recording of the interview will be online and advertised on my Blog http://craighansensblog.blogspot.com/

Managing Multimembership in Social Networks
Title: SCoPE seminar discussion: Managing Multimembership in Social Networks: Oct 27-Nov 9, 2008

Facilitators: Bronwyn Stuckey, Jeffrey Keefer, Sue Wolff, Sylvia Currie

Description: How do you track and keep up with blog conversations? How do you manage your time as you engage in social networks? What are our limits as we integrate social learning into our work environments? When you do find yourself becoming disconnected from your networks and organized activities, how do you return to the fray? As facilitators how do you manage multimembership for your participants?

Many of us confess to fumbling along and we engage in multiple networks. Yet, many networks are essential for the projects, sectors and people that we work with, and for staying abreast of hot issues. Multi-membership and multi-platform overload is becoming a BIG challenge!

During this 2-week discussion we invite you to share tips for managing participation in social networks. This seminar is organized as part of the Facilitating Online Communities course mini-conference. There are many ways to participate! Take our survey, leave a Voice Thread, and join the asynchronous discussion.

Venue: SCoPE is an open, online community supported by BCcampus and hosted by Simon Fraser University. Membership is free and open to the public and our discussions are facilitated by volunteers. Access the seminar discussion directly.

Planning for the event: A record of our planning steps is on a subsequent wiki page: /multimembership

The Role of an Online Facilitator
Date: 7pm on Wednesday 5th November UTC (8am on Thursday 6th NovemberNZ DST) Check the time in your zone. Duration: approximately 1 hour Facilitator: Vida Thompson Venue: Skype (contact skype user: vidathompson in advance to join this session) Description I recorded an interview with a Community Facilitator here in Alexandra, Central Otago, New Zealand. For the mini conference I would like participants to listen to the inteview and then discuss their perception of the role of an online facilitator and how that compares to the role of a face to-face community facilitator. This discussion will be held on skype on Wednesday 5th November at 7pm UTC. (Contact skype user: vidathompson in advance to join this session).

All interested people are welcome to attend. It would be good if participants could listen to the interview before the event. Note: The interview does take a while to start as I edited the beginning out.

Please contact Vida Thompson in skype prior to the event so you can be included in the event when it starts (contact skype user: vidathompson or by e-mail address:vidat@tekotago.ac.nz) There is a limit of 9 participants who can talk but no limit to the chat contributions. /The Role of a Facilitator Chat Log/

Interview About Second Life in Second Life
Title: About Second Life Date: Wednesday 05 Nov UTC at 9.00pm (Thursday 06 Nov 10.00 am New Zealand Time) Duration: 30 Minutes Facilitator: Grant Comber (aka Avatar: Clinty Inglewood) Venue: Explorer Island in Second Life How to get there? Click on this SLurl Link and then click on the Teleport Now button to zoom to Explorer Island. The Second Life Grid coordinates for the Venue are 195,208,22 (PG) Your Host Clinty Inglewood will meet you. Reminder: Min computer specs - RAM: 500mb (preferably 1 Gig) Chip speed: 800 MHz Pentium III or better, Screen 1024x768 pixels Internet Connection: Cable/DSL Microphone/headset needed for Chatting

Description:An interview between newbie Grant Comber (Clinty Inglewood) and seasoned Second Life user Harold Atkinson (Hat Carter). General questions on the use of Second Life and sharing of unique experiences. Opportunity for all avatars in FOC to gain some insight into using Second Life especially those who are newbies like Grant!

So if you want to philosophize, go didactic on us or just talk some technical turkey issues please pop in for this casual interview.

My thanks to our guest Harold Atkinson who is a fellow teaching colleague of mine with much Second Life experience. See you there! Signing Off: Clinty Inglewood

Stigmergic Collaboration: The Evolution of Group Work
Facilitated by: Daryl Cook with guest Dr. Mark Elliott.

Mark completed a PhD in 2007 that developed theoretical frameworks for collective activity and mass collaboration in conjunction with a number of real-world projects and now runs a consultancy that provides services surrounding online collaboration and social media / web2.0. In our meeting, Mark will assist us to explore:

 * Stigmergic collaboration as a means of explaining how co-ordination is achieved in ad hoc, massively scaled collaborative contexts (i.e. Wikis)
 * How we can, as facilitators, use Wikis to collaborate, share and learn
 * His experiences from the Future Melbourne project — the world's first, wiki-based, collaborative city plan.

The one hour session, will include a very brief presentation, but will mostly be informal and conversational. Definitely no Powerpoint.

Please join us!

DATE: Thursday 6th November 2008 at 7PM EST (UTC time please --Leighblackall 01:15, 4 July 2009 (UTC)).

VENUE: Join this online event at the Elluminate Meeting Room

Beforehand, please ensure that you computer is ready to use the web conferencing software (Elluminate).

RSVP: [mailto:daryl.cook@gmail.com daryl.cook@gmail.com]

ENQUIRIES: For any enquiries and/or for any assistance with Elluminate, do not hesitate to contact me.

International Online Collaboration Group meets FOC08
Title /International Online Collaboration Group/ This is a FANTASTIC opportunity for the group to meet with teachers who are currently completing a subject called Facilitating Learning Online in Australia. Come and discuss your experiences. Topics will include: - Introductions (where are you from and what area are you teaching in) - Virtual Classrooms - Do you like this platform? Will you use it with your students? Why or Why not? Any tips on using these platforms. - Time Management - How does your Institute allocate time for online delivery? Is it the same as for face to face? - Marketing - how can you get students or participants to join in an online dicussion or virtual classroom session? PLUS you have a chance to try a different virtual classroom platform.
 * Date and Duration - UTC Thursday 6 November 10pm-11pm UTC (Friday 7 November 9am – 10am East Australia time)
 * Facilitators: Kerry Trabinger (CIT Australia) and Leigh
 * Description
 * Venue - VET VIRTUAL (a virtual classroom used in Australia VET Sector - www.vetvirtual.com) Instructions for access

(Think, Learn & Create) Using Mind Maps
Title: TLC Using Mind Maps (TLC - Think, Learn & Create) - Online Discussion, followed by Presentation, - Friday 7 Nov 2008 11.30 am - 12noon NZ DST (10.30 pm - 11 pm Thursday 6 Nov UTC)

Facilitators: Kay Lewis and Elaine Dittert

Description:
 * Have you had difficulty keeping up with the 'overload of information' during this course?
 * Got confused or lost by trying to view all the discussion threads?
 * Have you jotted down some thoughts and ideas you've read and heard but by the time you're ready to go over your notes they make no sense?

If this sounds like you, this 30 minute session may be just what you need. It is designed to give you some pointers to help you gather and organise large amounts of data and provide a clear overview, analyse your thoughts, identify problem solving ideas and generate more ideas with clarity, efficiency and accuracy.

We plan to have one special guest speaker:

 * Jennifer Goddard, BBus (Admin), Master of Entrepreneurship and Innovation, Master Trainer in Buzan Advanced Learning Techniques, inspirational Director of the Buzan Centre in Australia and New Zealand and co-founder of Mindwerx International. OR
 * Jennie Vickers, Buzan Licensed Instructor (senior advanced coach), Masters of Management, Diploma in Business Administration (University of Auckland), BA Law (Honours). Jennie is also an Alumni of the Leadership NZ Programme.

Venue: From your feedback in the discussion here, we will use Elluminate Meeting Room to host the presentation.

Recording of the event:

To view the Chat Recording: /Recordings/

To listen to the Audio recording :Elluminate audio recording

Storytelling
Title: Storytelling

Date: November 7, 2008 at 4PM EST or check the time in your time zone.

Duration: 60 minutes ?

Facilitators:
 * See list

Venue:

 * Join the event on WiZiQ
 * Join the event on Connecting Online.

Description:

 * Do you think of stories when you look at a photo, a video, or listen to music? Does the topic interest you as a tool for instruction and learning or are you just curious? In any case, for whatever reason you may have, you are invited to join this storytelling mini conference.

 * We will have a live storytelling event on WiZiQ or Elluminate. Please refer to the main page of Connecting Online for further discussions on the topic.

Further Information

 * Storytelling Mini Conference

 * Please add your name to the list and/or ask questions here.

Recording of the Session
 * Video recording of the session via TipCam and BlipTV
 * Recording of the live online session on WiZiQ
 * Please add your comments here. --nelliemuller 10:07, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Midnight Heart2Heart Online
Title: Heart2Heart Online Date: Tentatively Saturday, November 8, 2008     00:00 UTC Time Duration: 90 minutes Venue: TBA (Skype, Elluminate Meeting Room or WiZiQ) Group Size: Maximum of 8 people Facilitator: Greg Barcelon assisted by partner Ivy (guest)

A place where we can simply be ourselves… sharing ourselves at a deeper level without the fear of condemnation, unsolicited advice, interruption or being judged. Traditionally we got this deep level of connectedness with our true selves, and assist others in doing the same, from our families. But, with many people experiencing difficulties in their family life today, we need communities that can become "Schola Amoris," a School of Love, in which all learn to first of all accept themselves as they are, and then in a greater way accept others unconditionally – the greatest yearning we collectively have.

More about it here.

Connecting Online in Developing Countries
Title: 8 Nov-7AM GMT - Connecting Online in Developing Countries Date: 7AM GMT, Saturday November 8, 2008. Check your time here. Duration: 60 min? Facilitator: Joy Zhao & guest speakers Nalin Abesysekera, Minhaaj ur Rehman, and Nellie Muller Deutsch Venue: WiZiQ Description: We are connected online and forming various online communities. Do you know what problems people living in developing countries meet when they try to join in online communities and maintain the connection? What is the situation of online communities in developing countries? Our guest speakers are all very experienced and skilled in this topic. Come and share your thoughts and you will get more information than you expected.

Recording of the WiZiQ Session

What are Webheads? An introduction
Title: 9 Nov-11 am GMT - What are Webheads? An introduction Date: 11 am GMT, Sunday November 9, 2008. Check your time here. Duration: 60 min Faciliatator:  Minhaaj ur Rehman Venue: WiZiQ Description: Webheads is probably the most vibrant and diverse community of ESL teachers. It has been a role model for communities of teachers for quite sometime now with respected members like Nellie Muller Deutsch, Vance Stevens (founder), Doris Molero and Cristina Costa. In this session Vance Stevens will talk about Webheads, their philosophy and contributions to ESL teaching. Minhaaj will be facilitating this open session.

Video Recording

 * Video recording of the interview conducted by Minhaaj Ur Rehman

Jimmy Wales at Roda Viva
Title: Jimmy Wales interview at Roda Viva Date: 13:30 GMT, Monday November 10th, 2008 Click on the link to check your local time. Duration: 60 min Facilitators:  Barbara Dieu and Pedro Markun Venue: Roda Viva live stream, Twitter and Twemes ] Description: This is an “experiential participatory transmission” Brazilian TV Cultura is conducting: streaming the Roda Viva interview program raw and live footage on the Web before its polished taped version is shown on TV. The idea is to get online participants to interact with the program through the Radar Cultura Roda Viva page and Twitter while the interview is being carried on. In order to interact, write your comments/questions in Twitter using the #rodaviva hashtag. The interview we are facilitating online today will be with Jimmy Wales, Wikipedia founder. He has come to Brazil for a series of interviews and round tables, during which he will answer questions about the Wikimedia Brazil Chapter. TV Cultura will release the interview under a Creative Commons License


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User:Valjean

Same as at Wikipedia.

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Grammar problems
The grammar and punctuation of the sentence is very confusing. It needs to be cleaned up, but it's so bad I'm not certain what is actually meant. Brangifer 01:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)


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Hello world --Ardnaxela 04:45, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

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Template:Fmbox/doc

This is the fmbox or footer & header message box template.

It can be used to build message boxes for system messages such as MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon. It can also be used for footer and header boxes on user pages and for editnotices.

This template works similarly to ambox and mostly uses the same parameters. The main differences are that this box is 100% wide and has different colour styles.

Usage
Simple usage example:

Complex example:

Footer and header message box types
The following examples use different type parameters but use no image parameters thus they use the default images for each type.

Other images
The default images shown above are mostly for testing and demonstration. In most cases it is more appropriate to use a more specific image or no image at all. These examples use the image parameter to specify an image other than the default image.

Special
Some other parameter combinations.

Parameters
List of all parameters:

type
 * If no type parameter is given the template defaults to type system. That means it gets a light grey background.

image
 * No parameter = If no image parameter is given the template uses a default image. Which default image it uses depends on the type parameter.
 * An image = Should be an image with usual wiki notation. 40px - 50px width are usually about right depending on the image height to width ratio. (But the message box can handle images of any size.) For example:
 * none = Means that no image is used.
 * none = Means that no image is used.

imageright
 * No parameter = If no imageright parameter is given then no image is shown on the right side.
 * An image = Should be an image with usual wiki notation. 40px - 50px width are usually about right depending on the image height to width ratio. (But the message box can handle images of any size.) For example:
 * Anything = Any other object that you want to show on the right side.
 * Anything = Any other object that you want to show on the right side.

id
 * Optional CSS id used by the entire message box table. Without quotation marks . Mostly meant to be used to tag a message box with its name, to make it easy to detect the presence of the message from javascript. For instance MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer would use:

class
 * Optional CSS class names used by the entire message box table. Without quotation marks . Mostly meant to be used to tag a message box with its name so it can be individually skinned. For instance MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer would use:

style
 * Optional CSS values used by the entire message box table. Without quotation marks  but with the ending semicolons  . For example:

textstyle
 * Optional CSS values used by the text cell. For example:

text
 * The message body text.

Technical details
This template currently uses hard coded styles and class names. Later it will only use CSS classes making it easier to skin. (In the meantime it can be skinned by using the " " keyword.)

If you need to make a box that is less than 100% wide, then do not use this box, instead use the ombox. Since this box doesn't have the "1px empty image cell" code that makes it so the other mboxes get proper box flow in all browsers when less than 100% wide.

If you need to use special characters in the text parameter then you need to escape them like this:

</nowiki>. And now a pipe and end braces <nowiki>|}}</nowiki>. }}

. And now a pipe and end braces |}}. }}

Internally this meta-template uses HTML wikimarkup instead of wikimarkup for the table code. That is the usual way we make meta-templates since wikimarkup has several drawbacks. For instance it makes it harder to use parser functions and some special characters in parameters.

The default images for this meta-template are in png format instead of svg format. The main reason is that some older web browsers have trouble with the transparent background that MediaWiki renders for svg images. The png images here have hand optimised transparent background colour so they look good in all browsers. Note that svg icons only look somewhat bad in the old browsers, thus such hand optimisation is only worth the trouble for very widely used icons.

Note to admins: MediaWiki does not parse and convert HTML wikimarkup in system messages the same way as it does for normal pages. This means for instance that  is not automatically converted to   and missing   and   tags are not automatically added. Thus see to that any HTML code you use in system messages are valid XHTML. That is, close all tags that you begin. However, regular wikimarkup works fine in most system messages.

For more technical details see the talk page. Since this template works almost exactly like ambox, tmbox, imbox, cmbox and ombox their talk pages and related pages might also contain more details.

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Template:Mbox templates see also

There are several meta-templates in the mbox family:
 * ambox – For article message boxes.
 * tmbox – For talk page message boxes.
 * imbox – For file (image) page message boxes.
 * cmbox – For category message boxes.
 * ombox – For other pages message boxes.
 * mbox – Has namespace detection, for message boxes that are used on several types of pages and thus need to change style depending on what page they are used on.

Closely related meta-templates:
 * fmbox – For header and footer message boxes.

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