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User talk:CQ

Talk to me! CQ 17:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Welcome
Hi Charley! Great to see you've come over to Wikiversity (and have already started contributing). You know, I was just thinking of you today - weird! See you round :-) Cormaggio 22:47, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Cormac! I'm glad I finally got around to it. Nice work. Wikiversity is looking good! CQ 23:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Cormac, you may have become a victim of the dreaded Baader-Meinhof Phenomenon!--Dnjkirk 16:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Wikio
How do you want to get this started? --JWSchmidt 04:05, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking something like: Wikiversity and Wikinews services at one end and Wikio at the other and Topic:Media Project Management in the middle. That WikipediaWeekly project will fit in there somewhere. Do we have a Journalism School? CQ 04:20, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

"UIUC PHIL 270 discussion....The prospect of a negative news report is a real concern in my mind, and should be dealt with immediately." <-- I agree that we have to watch for this kind of problem..."watch" meaning there should be a clear Wikiversity policy about cheating. "help with Topic:Internet Audio and Topic:Audio Engineering by posting some ways to get sounds into files" <-- I already have some of this information on a few pages. I'll keep working to add more about audio and link all of the related pages. --JWSchmidt 05:16, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

 * JWSchmidt is da MAN! CQ 05:25, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Multilingual Worksheet
I'm responding on the talk page to things I still think are confusing/vague/etc., though the page makes somewhat more sense now. I'm not a multilingual expert by any stretch of the imagination, though I am bilingual in French, and I've a little knowledge of several languages alongside some Linguistics training. The Jade Knight 06:40, 19 October 2006 (UTC) * CQ goes back to drawing board * :08:57, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Practicum and "cheating"
Hi Charley - thanks for the input. I really like what you've written at Practicum and I see it as a kind of model we should be experimenting with. However, I'm cautious (as always) about creating namespaces - I still wonder if it's too complicated as it is. I think our structuring of resources should make it as easy as possible for people to find them from major organisation pages (eg Portal:Philosophy) - but then having many namespaces with the same name (ie School:Philosophy, Topic:Philosophy, Philosophy, and then Practicum:Philosophy, not to mention the materials themselves!) will just be confusing. I also think we should hesitate to create a namespace for something that is linked to a particular methodology/pedagogy - otherwise it could just get ridiculous. I agree that, fundamentally, we need to be "Learning to learn a wiki way" - and that this would be more and more what we need to orientate our learning projects around - but that creating a subsection of Wikiversity in which we do this would be counterproductive (seeing as we should probably be encouraging this throughout Wikiversity). Having said that, however, I am still hesitant to prescribe to people how they need to work - this is still something (as you've acknowledged yourself) that we are figuring out as we go along.

On the point of possible cheating etc - I agree that this is something we should continue to discuss - and I will leave substantial comment to the Colloquium. Basically, I agree with your effort in "diplomacy" - I think we could end up being either too heavy-handed on new and potentially valuable contributors, or restrict our activities and scope unnecessarily. I suppose we need to discuss the larger related points of 1) "what are learning materials? (ie do they include cheatsheets?), and 2) "what kind of learning communities will we foster on Wikiversity - will they have their own semi-autonomy?".

Unrelated, but I see you're interested in Topic:Audio Engineering - me too! Looking forward to working with you on that.. Cheers Charley :-) Cormaggio 08:39, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

 * MODEL: Everthing's related in a Wikiverse! (That's me though).

 * OBJECT: The namespaces aren't "real" anyway wiki or woko. They are abstractions that can be built through scope:context/focus.

 * EARTH: This is a world of paradigm:meme/token and "We (semi-autonoms) don't need no stinking badges! Muah-ha-ha-ha-hah!"

 * POLICY: As for innapropriate@blah.xxx : cheaters never win, anyhoo. If WV evolves anything like WP, vigilantes will come out of the woodwork if/when the need arrises. (The template idea is just another one of my embedded communitas ploys ;)

 * OK! Thanks for the speedy feedback, Cormac the Great!, I'm looking forward to jamming with ya!

(| ^ |) cq looks for headphones (| ^ |)
 * 09:28, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hey!
Hey CQ! Don't think we've met before, but thanks for the note! I'm sure diplomacy here is a good thing. Yeah, seems like we have a lot of musical interests in common. See ya around! --HappyCamper 23:01, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads up! Let's see if/how the people working on UIUC PHIL 270 reply to your note. I think the page Special:Lonelypages on WV should be some kind of purgatory, with a defined "deletion timer" if an article is not removed by linking into a lesson or topic. I plan to look around for the right place to propose this. Cheers! Awolf002 00:42, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Hi CQ
Nice comment at Object Oriented Design although I noticed you blanked it. I personally am currently learning ArgoUML ... aha, maybe you move the information there inside the main file? Anyway I agree with you. I have joined the FreeRails project and am starting to look into writing my own java applet or morely likely downloading GPL'ed applets and tweaking them to meet my purposes. There is a Intro to Java course starting up at Computer Science if you are interested, if not, I am sure I will see you around. I also have some interest in where computer mediated education is going or coming as I think it will drive distributed technologies into the home network. Mirwin 19:38, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Eh?
I'm not really sure what to make of this...-- digital  _  me   04:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

re: Wikiversity Essay Contests
Somehow my user page has become listed at Category:Wikiversity_Essay_Contests. Would appreciate having that edited out, but don't know how. — morley 16:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

re: Templates
I'm fairly new to Wikiversity and I've been acquainting myself by just wandering. First impression — brilliant, powerful concept. Second impression — cluttered, confusing, poorly articulated. So I jumped in and sought answers to my "new user" questions and edited the Newcomers page.

Now I'm reading the Colloquium column, from top to bottom, which is where I came across your item on Templates. I'd like to offer to work with you on this page, build it up from a new user's perspective (someone who wants to contribute but isn't yet clear on the landscape). I'm not keen on just barging in. After all I'm fairly new myself. But that's the perspective I bring — knowing which dumb questions need answers.

I've been in dialogue with Corramaggio about finding good courses to feature, as a way of showing would-be contributors the possibilities, give them a framework to build on. I've run into roadblocks (of a sort). In the meantime I've come to think Templates is a parallel project with the same objective.

So, before I cut loose on Templates here are some thoughts. I'm seeking your feedback.

 * 1) There are several places within the Newcomers page to direct new contributors on how to get started. I'd like make the Templates page a comprehensive starting off point for page creation. That's what a template is, after all.
 * 2) Start by identifying what a template is within this environment.
 * 3) Proceed to a mini-tutorial in using a sample template to deploy a new page. Include step-by-step very-detailed can't-fail instructions.
 * 4) Introduce the Index of available templates.
 * 5) Don't know whether it's possible yet, now show how to switch the new page created above from the sample template to one of the user's choosing. In other words, help the new contributor to be immediately productive.
 * 6) Go on to provide links on how to create new pages, edit pages, Wiki, etc. (A thorough list of relevant links).
 * 7) Again, don't know whether this is possible, but show how to turn an existing page into a template.
 * 8) Other points on perfecting and editing templates.

Let me know what you think.

morley 18:29, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your interest, Morley! I think of Templates (Template Taskforce) as a continuance of Wiki 101, and part of the MediaWiki Project, so you might want to look at those also. I created a Getting Started section, but I'm not yet familiar with the Newcomer areas that you've work on. I'll be doing that next. Meet me at Wikiversity talk:Templates. We'll take it from there. CQ 19:25, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks CQ for the follow up. Thought it only fair to explain my silence over the past 10 days. To be fair, the strategy of building up good materials and guidance for contributors is the right one. But I've become distracted by personal project. I know where this page is and if time permits I may well take this project up again. God knows, it's worthy. We'll see. You can reach me via eMail at . Cheers. — morley 19:14, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you
I do not mind at all that you made that link! In fact, I would have given you a Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar if it existed on Wikiversity. -- J.Steinbock 20:55, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

is simply a formula used to describe spherical coordinates
Thank you for the message. But the sentence makes no sense to me. ---Hillgentleman|User talk 01:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine. It's gone, but this remains. CQ 02:38, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thanks for the suggestion, I signed up. I'm still working out my bearings here, trying to figure out my way around the site. But I noticed you play guitar. How long have you been playing for? --Ex Machina 21:12, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

multilanguage collaboration
Hello my friend, answered you here. --Erkan Yilmaz 21:33, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi CQ, I am almost finished with the main pages of the course, see here. Perhaps we can somehow continue work with this course and the Interlingual Beta Club? --Erkan Yilmaz 20:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Have a look here please. What next? Translating the project page into German? --Erkan Yilmaz 18:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Some answers, could you have a look please? Thx. --Erkan Yilmaz 08:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Culture shock
Hi CQ, how about changing the name of Interlingual_Beta_Klub in German. Exxu has proposed here better names, which could be perhaps:
 * "Multilingualer Klub" (preferred by me)
 * "Multilingualer Betaklub"
 * "Mehrsprachiger Betaklub"

This would implicate then that it would not start with IBx. I hope that is not bad in general? --Erkan Yilmaz 11:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This is a wiki, not a stone tablet like the original Rosetta Stone. Whatever works. Translation is the heart of the system. CQ 13:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thx, let's see with what name we come up with :-) --Erkan Yilmaz 13:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I think inter- and lingua are Latin roots. Why can't they be used for all European languages?--Hillgentleman|User talk 13:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, in the German section here it caused some confusion, so perhaps it can be adapted, because of reasons, that people do not "fear" it? Probably this will be not the only person. --Erkan Yilmaz 13:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey. I'm here to learn. Corpus linguistics is interesting.

 * So, I'm guilty of anglocentricity, I've learned, but shucks! I'm from Kentucky (hillbillies, rednecks, etc.) in the "Heartland". I'm not nearly as sophisticated as a lot of you folk. I squeaked out of High School and managed to earn a two-year certificate in Electronics. That's about it as far as formal education goes.

 * Here, in the USA, a Beta Club is for smart people that have earned merit. I've always thought of The Wikiverse (my term for all wiki users of which MediaWiki is a subset) as a meritocracy. Keep in mind that most of what I know about Germans, I learned on Hogan's Heroes.

 * Selecting the meme, Interligual you-know-what was my quaint Americana way of establishing some sort of honor society dedicated to a study of multi-cultural linguistics and some Computer Science education in computational linguistics. As you may notice, this is the next order of buisiness I'm tackling with my new friends from south of the border.

 * Let's quit this foolishness and get on with it, shall we?. CQ 14:34, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

 * I am with you: see here. BTW: in the virtual world, real world does not count :-) --Erkan Yilmaz 14:56, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * about here: Hi CQ, no problem. At the moment I only translated. We will try to continue all together. --Erkan Yilmaz 16:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Beta
see here please. --Erkan Yilmaz 23:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Hello my friend, how is it going? Somehow we lost contact. Can you detail me on the status so far? Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion ) 16:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, hi Erkan. I'm still around but I've been working on other projects. Thanks for translating the pages. I was hoping for a bit more participation from folks at the English Wikiversity. Perhaps the Topic:Multilingual Studies practicum will pick up later. I've been working on some metacommunity, Assessment strategies and the Learning to learn a wiki way project. I'm still here! CQ 17:29, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello CQ, great you are there - btw: happy christmas, if you celebrate it.
 * Well, I will have a look at the links above you just gave. Perhaps I can assist somewhere? Some urgent thing needed? Not that I can promise to finish it fast, but you know perhaps some other people get also motivated because of this work. Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion ) 17:43, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Assessment
Hi CQ, I have already a question here about Quality. Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion ) 17:57, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, have a look on my comment here please. Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion ) 19:03, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

comp lgtcs
Hye CQ, thanks for your help on comp. lgtcs. You can see on User talk:Javier Carro/My doctorate in applied linguistics where the orientation of my studies will be orientated. I hope we can work together in something. --Javier Carro 20:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Object Oriented Software Design
It looks like a Topic: page, but with a variety of discussions in its talk page.--Hillgentleman|User talk 15:43, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Translation
Hi, I saw your note on translation and I was wondering... it would be very easy for armchair translators to have a page on which there were documents in X language waiting to be translated to Y language. For instance, if there was a page for "Japanese Documents for Translation" that I could just leisurely saunter over to and work on in an ad-hoc manner. Does something like that exist?--Dnjkirk 15:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

 * Quinobi speaks: Japanese to English would be the page, I suppose, but read on...

 * Wikiversity translations is the intended place for links to such, so far. High priority translation requests should be listed via an interwiki link to the original and should be mentioned, for example, at Topic talk:Japanese. Links to lower priority translations can go under Challenges also on the Wikiversity translations page. How to determine priority (slang:pecking order) is a bit subjective, so good luck.

 * The Templates taskforce is planning a page template for bilingual comparative texts – example: German to English. These can be queued and archived via these types of pages in the main namespace. A text stays there until it is finished or saved to a subpage. These are first-come/first-serve pages. If you care about a text, make sure you keep an eye on it and replicate it where it fits. Note the term is a text and NOT a page. Texts are easier to move than pages are.

 * Always the various language departments should be notified. Here at the English version Wikiversity, those are linked as Topic:Some language – Examples:Topic:Chinese, Topic:German. These departments use anglified names for native English users. Other areas such as 中文 and Topic:Deutsch are departments for native or advanced users of those languages. Japanese Documents for Translation might be a section on Topic:Japanese. Look and see. Japanese to English is open per this post.

 * Remember, you are reading a user page. None of these suggestions are to be construed or misconstrued as Wikiversity policy without consensus. (in simple English: Don't quote me). Tons of work needs to be done on this topic. Thanks for your interest Dnjkirk! CQ 17:19, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

School of revelation design
Hi, answer done — check out User talk:Len Raymond and the opening section at School:Revelation Design. thanks... — Len Raymond 07:28, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Topic:MediaWiki/Engine
Why should this page be in the topic namespace? I think it should be in the main namespace (no prefix). Why not just call the page MediaWiki Engine.--JWSchmidt 18:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

categories
Can you put &... into a category? I'm not sure what it is. --JWSchmidt 23:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Wikiversity:Quorum
I am in the middle of an effort to make sure that all WIkiversity pages are in a category. Is there any chance that you could categorize mysterious pages such as Quorum? --JWSchmidt 21:43, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reminder. I reckon I'm a bit lax on the categorization effort. I'll try to do better. Any others? (/me checks) CQ 23:11, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Looking to help
I'm looking to contribute to the Computer Science area, but it's a bit difficult to figure out where to start. There seem to be literally dozens of stubs, but not much in the way of organization or courses, and I'm not sure where even to ask about it. Historybuff 15:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Great! I think the School:Computer Science main page has a pretty full listing of what we have so far, but, like you've noticed, most pages are a bit stubby. What is your area of expertice and interest, Historybuff? CQ 16:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I've got an interest in just about everything computer wise, lol. I'm a computer professional, and have done C++, Java, Smalltalk, PHP and Perl programming. I've also worked with lots of different Unix systems, Windows and of course Macs. I'm interested in course develpment and teaching.

I see there are lots of topics, but there is mention of "divisions and departments". In a school, divisions and departments are usually areas of study (like department of Comp Sci), which might be confusing me - I'm not sure if "topics" are meant to evolve into courses, or just general background about a topic, or otherwise.

My main stumbling block right now is knowing where to go for what. (Feels like your first day in a new school, but that is to be expected :)) I did leave a comment on the School:CompSci talk page, but it wasn't obvious that this is where that should take place. Is there a "staff lounge" for editors to scribble down their concerns, and a "student conselor" spot where lost students can get help? Hopefully after I'm oriented then I can start to add some study material or develop some courses. Thanks. Historybuff 16:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Careful CQ, with encouragement like that we might be offering courses soon. :P Check out Portal:Computer_Science if you get a chance. I'm still fitzing with it -- I'm hoping to get it to look like Portal:Engineering and Technology in terms of layout -- with real CS stuff.

 * Good work Historybuff! Looks like you're going to fit in well around here. I see you've found the Colloquium. That is the closest thing we have for a "staff lounge" and is our centralized discussion area. As far a finding things, and helping others do so in the future, Browse ought to be the hub for getting to Portals and Schools. Most of the navigation is coming along but there are gaps and orphaned pages.

 * As for courses, the Topic: namespace is for creating "Learning projects" that organize articles, lessons, and learning materials. Some discussion is still pending, such as Courses, Course Titles and Numbers and Wikiversity course formats.

 * BTW, I'm still looking for the User:Historybuff page. You can make Subpages like User:CQ/Goals for whatever you need. --CQ 20:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh, well I wanted to get a bit more experience editing before putting up a User page, but Cormaggio didn't like my redlink so he added a talk page link :P. I've created a template:participants, but I'd like to get some feedback before announcing it to the community. (I'd like to add it to some pages, see how people think about it -- I might try the School:Computer Science page.)

Databases
Hey, I found your question:

Is there going to be a Topic:PostgreSQL? Is knowlege about PostgreSQL covered somewhere at Wikiversity?

I've added it to the database area. I can't figure out how to edit this text, though. :P How did you insert it? Historybuff 22:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That text at the top of Topic:PostgreSQL is done with a template. Once there's content on the page, remove the topic template tag and it will go away. CQ 19:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Thermodynamics
Thanks a lot for expanding those Gas Laws. I knew they were important, but couldn't for the life of me find out their 'official' names and statements of the actual principles in any reference books whatsoever. It seems they've been almost entirely superceded by the Ideal Gas Equation, but they're nevertheless important in themselves as they're rather easier to understand than taking the entire relationship in one go. Sojourner001 14:08, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Distributed Supercomputing
Hi CQ, I am not familar with or setup for IRC. If we are going to discuss details with Rayc perhaps we should do so at the wikiversity talk page. That way details will be accessible to others as they swing by. I agree with you both the project as proposed is ahead of its time but I am confident more computer savvy people and developers will show soon. The java area (which I am currently studying off and on) is getting a fair amount of activity. Java seems to have a lot of builtin capabilities to support various techniques necessary for distributed supercomputer as I understand it but I am far from an expert or even technically savvy in the area. Mirwin 08:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

SchoolForge
What happened to SchoolForge?

My theory is that the sudden surge of interest in Wikipedia around 2001-2004, "upstaged" SchoolForge and its member organizations: projects large, medium and small. (Kind of like Walmart coming in to a community)

With something as cool as wikipedia, who needs "dipsh*t little projects" such as OSEF (Open Source Education Foundation) or GLO (Global Learning Outreach)? (Those are/were brilliant projects, btw as were all these). Wikipedia drew so much attention, especially within the open source community, that everything else got put on the back burner. I, personally joined the frey, yielding to the bandwagon effect. I think that's where the phrase and attitude "Wikipedia Sucks" came from. (See what's left today).

That is of course a simplistic personal view of what happened and why. CQ 21:13, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you
Thank you for updating the computer science news page. Someone had to do it, and it made me laugh. :) --Remi0o 21:06, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

oggisphere award
Thanks for your contributions to the Wikiversity oggisphere. --JWSchmidt 14:41, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Ecovillage design
I'm interested in designing and building an Ecovillage. I (we) have a very nice site and everything near Texico, IL 62889. Please post comments, suggestions and questions below. Thanks. CQ 18:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Wow - Charley - great! I'll have to dig through my contacts - was just talking to people I worked with in Mexico who are building an ecovillage of sorts - maybe I should put you in touch.. Meantime, just did some googling - this seems like a nice, compact site - and are you aware of the sustainability wikia? More later - bed calls.. :-) Cormaggio beep 00:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Rapid design
I saw this on TV and immediately thought of you. :)

I'm not sure it's something you'd be interested in, but it is a neat toy and something that would be very cool to play with. http://www.fabathome.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page (they are using MW software and all). Let me know what you think. Historybuff 06:42, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I'm poking again. We have to get the recordings done for the "speakers corner" stuff. I'm just dropping you a note so it doesn't get lost in the ether. Ping me on IRC and we can make a plan to get it done. Historybuff 05:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Poke, poke, and more poking. I'm trying to figure out openmoko, and if you have some time we should chat about using that for THD. Also, We need to do another wikio session. I'm sure there is 50 other things, I just can't think of them all in this tiny space. Historybuff 06:15, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Farming and THD
Starting a category for farmers does not seem like a bad idea. I have worked on a couple of farms to varying degrees (I can testify about turkeys); I don't know if I would qualify for the list, however. THD seems like quite an interesting project though.

What's the weather like out where you are at btw?

What sort of ideas are you looking for? --Remi 05:36, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

LOM
I post a in your talk page at en.wikipedia (and meta.wikimedia, because I was not sure which of them would you see before). Now I realize you are a frequent contributor of this wiki, and I drop a line here since I think you have not been noticed about them (excuse me for my triple post...). I am also interested on applying LOM in wiki. If you prefer, you may contact me by mail.

en.wikipedia:User:Rjgodoy 07:48, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Transwiki + barnstar
Hi CQ, please have a look here. I can not promise you anything, since I am also busy with other projects. Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion ) 21:57, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Have just seen the barnstar here. Actually that is not necessary. But thanks anyway :-) Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion ) 22:00, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

paid wiki editors
Maybe what we need for Wikiversity NPC is some examples of how paid wiki editors would constructively interact with volunteers. Do you have a particular area of interest that might be possible to develop towards a way of making money $$$? I know nothing about music, but maybe Guitar/Lessons could be developed both in terms of wiki resources and as a platform for making $$ and as also as an example that could eventually be cited in grant proposals for Wikiversity NPC. I have the idea that wiki-based collaborative learning works best when "experts" collaborate with learners. If there is good feedback between learners and the expert, then the required learning resources will get created. I might be able to work with you to develop resources at Wikiversity for pages such as Guitar/Lessons. The goal would be t have great "getting started" music lessons for Wikiversity, students could pay you for one-on-one instruction, and this could become an example for future Wikiversity NPC grant proposals, "support wiki editors like CQ and get more great online music learning resources. --JWSchmidt 15:26, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Topic:Learning_Objects
What resources are intended for this section? Should them be about databases (general topic) or about "databases for LO/LOM"?  w:Rjgodoy 12:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Custodianship
Hey Charley, on Custodianship, if you don't want the "stigma" etc, I'll be happy to do the importing for you. It's your call. Cormaggio talk 09:22, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You now have probationary custodian status. Please list yourself at WV:STAFF. Good luck! sebmol ? 14:03, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for being willing spend some time doing dirty work at Wikiversity! If you notice a vandal trashing a bunch of pages, go ahead and block them. Please make sure you are familiar with the contents of the reading list for new custodians. Let me know if you have any questions about using the custodian's buttons. I suggest blocking your own account just for practice. --JWSchmidt 14:52, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

You are now a full custodian. Thanks for serving the Wikiversity community as a custodian. --JWSchmidt 15:09, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Research on communities...
I found an article on research that may be done in Florida. It may be of interest to you. --Remi 04:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Wikiversity and Action Research
Hey Charley - nice work! I went and changed references to "you" into "we", as the next diff shows - I think it's important that this is kept as a collective plan. I'm not sure if you were talking to me directly there, or to an abstract "you" - that, in fact, would be interesting to me to find out! I like your overall interest in collaboration and networking - I think I am drifting in that direction myself anyway, and it seems like a logical direction to take - for me, at least. However, there are other projects in there too - such as making it easier for newcomers (or anyone) to begin participating - and i don't want to abandon those efforts either. I'll have to post to the talk page and contact people who've commented to see what direction this project is bursting to take at this point in time, and what projects we can leave on slow-simmer until slightly later. But thanks! Oh, and by the way, have you looked at Wikiversity and Connexions collaboration yet? I think it would be very interesting for you, from both a technical and a social angle. I'll go into it in more detail if you like - perhaps via IRC might be easier... Cormaggio talk 16:25, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Person is person: 1st, 2nd, 3rd - Plural or singular . Speaking of IRC, I am at this minute engaged in a conversation with JWS about a redesign of a new Main Page at Main Page/Draft version 0.1. Let's head over there. Ya wanna? CQ 23:47, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

wikicast discussion
>live audience....feedback

I see this as a central problem for online collaboration. The Wikipedia community has spent years developing communities of participants who have common interests and who can produce synergistic effects. My hope has been that Wikiversity can find a few "general community projects" or "pilot projects" that would be of interest to many editors, allowing the formation of our first effective collaborations. It has been surprisingly hard to get this to happen.

>"oh they don't have much content, they are not organised yet, I can find better stuff elsewhere"

Wikipedia has created a disease. The disease is such that people are not interested in creating the conditions that allow new wikis to attract participants. Before you can worry about people judging you by your content, you first have to establish a wiki community that will create the content. Why wait until you have content before you advertise your existence? At first you have to advertise yourself as a place that needs participants. The wiki participants will then create the content.

>build your community... .. By making it something people WANT to be part of

This is fundamental to wiki communities. I'm not sure that very many people have opened their minds to the internet as a global community where you accomplish your personal goals by making use of tools that support online collaboration. Web 2.0 is too new and the old ways of thinking are too strong. We need promotional media that communicate the idea...the possibility of online collaboration....so that more people can catch on to the Web 2.0 idea. We have to make the transition from "web 2.0 for geeks" to "Web 2.0 for everyone".

>Chicken/Egg problem

This is very real. Wikiversity has the huge advantage that we get a steady stream of people via links to Wikiversity from Wikipedia. I've argued from the very start that we should optimize this source of Wikiversity participants by making Wikiversity relevant to Wikipedia.

>cooperation between projects. "us vs. them"

Are we still getting tied up in knots over the use of different copyleft licenses? People seem to spend more time talking and worrying than actually doing something constructive.--JWSchmidt 14:18, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Earth Station
Hi Charley - just wondering - what are the pages around Earth Station about? There's a nomination for deletion out there.. Cormaggio talk 20:57, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hey CQ - guess what? I just got the buttons today! Thanks for your support - I promise to do good with them! :-) --HappyCamper 02:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

reaching out
Hi Charley - I saw you adding yourself (and some good thoughts) to Wikiversity and Connexions collaboration. Here's another outreach project for you: OER Commons - I met them at that OER conference I went to and I talked with them by phone again yesterday. Will go over more details in due course, but keep an eye on that page at least... Cormaggio talk 17:41, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good timing Cormac! Notice I just added my /THD page to Category:Open Education Resources. I know it may seem strange to add something in the User: namespace, but it is a very locale-specific project built from the personal context. The Turkey Herding Deer EcoFarm project has its own "outreach" to a myriad of learning projects such as Topic:Cartography and Topic:Amateur radio as well as the obvious School:Agriculture. I hope to show that learning is a personal experience that can be fit into a shared experience within a learning community. CQ 18:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the suggestion re: audio examples. I am working on it now! --Kittybriton 12:24, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Hi from the french Wv
Hi yeoman, All the french users agree to tell that the en WV is very very very messy. Coutrymike and i thought about how it could change and i just want you to show you a little difference between our first Main page and our current main page. We just add logos...: First main page Current main page Check that and you'll see that even a few change can change the whole thing. Take care Wilimut talk 08:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC) Ps: Im currently studying for my high school certificate but we're working on the translating project and it going well. I'll contact you when i know more about it

Categories and such
Please be sure to research things before making mass changes, because sometimes 2 similar categories might have good reason to exist. Assuming that the two categories are themselves categorized, you can find out through the edit history who made them, and perhaps ask why. --SB_Johnny | talk 13:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm...
I just found out that I missed your confirmation as a full custodian here! I'm really glad you're on Wikiversity...will you be posting more music clips soon? --HappyCamper 00:52, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Soon is such a relative term, but yes... Perhaps even this century if there's intelligent life on this planet after all. -- CQ (discuss • contribs) 02:42, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks, CQ!
Thanks for editing my code tags on the PHP_Dates page. As my first original creation in the Wikiversity, I'm still not aware of all the tags that are available, and having the syntax highlighting will be an invaluable resource to readers, I'm sure. Thanks again! Ghenson 12:58, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

It all started here
http://test.wikipedia.org/wiki/template:chemical_reaction and then .... then here w:zh-yue:Category:維基唔係Turing機 and then.... here meta:template:last edit etc.

Patrick has explained it rather well in m:help:recursive conversion of wikitext.

Hillgentleman|Talk 04:50, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Guitar
Hi CQ - I can't help but give you this link: - the first thing that I thought of was you! Cheers, --HappyCamper 22:54, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation for Transwiki
Hi, it was hard to find you Yeo. Anyway, I have realized that we can connect Transwiki with pronounciation. If we once a month upload words to commons. It can help both Wictionary and Wikiversity. The only problem is, that I think - students should do Traswiki. Why me if I already now foreign words? I can do, but for me it doesnt have educative character. So what you think?--Juan 15:01, 16 June 2007 (UTC)

Biodiesel
Hey CQ. I read an article about this company, and thought you might be interested in checking them out. One product they manufacture are turnkey biodiesel plants out of old shipping containers. I hope things are going well on your end. : ) --Remi 20:01, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Tuners and openmoko
Hey, I've been scarce lately, and so have you. I've finally connected with the Openmoko guys, and that project might have some good legs. I also found this ... http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Applications (look for Guitar Tuner :D) Ping me and let me know what's up for you -- hope everything is well. Historybuff 17:04, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

"Wikiversitans", "Wikiversitarians", and "Wikiversiters"
A look at the Colloquium Discussion on the Main Page Project discloses that not only are there "Wikiversitans"; but now there is at least one (1) "Wikiversitarian"; and it appears as there may also be "Wikiversiters".

Might these be separate Categories of Participants; or might all "Wikiversitans", "Wikiversitarians", and "Wikiversiters" be in the same Category? :-)

(s) Dionysios  (talk), Date: 2007-07-10 (July 10, 2007) Time: 1517 UTC

And now he learns from the Developing Wikiversity through action research/Wikiversity identity Page that there may also be Wikiversians, Wiklars, & Wikiversitians. Of course, we are all Wikiversity Participants. What does it all mean? :-) (s) Dionysios  (talk), Date: 2007-07-18 (July 18, 2007) Time: 1840 UTC

Wiki campus radio
What happened to Wiki Campus radio? it seems dormant? ShakespeareFan00 21:36, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Simply ahead of its time Shakesperience... -- CQ (discuss • contribs) 02:48, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

OpenMoko lives
Heya stranger,

Got a Neo on the way, and I've been checking out some mapping stuff. Hopefully all is well with you, but let's chat if you are around. Historybuff 23:34, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Jazz
Hey I'm interested in the jazz department, in learning or whatever. Let me know if you can help me. Thanks Bananagirl 10:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

source lang="php"
Hi CQ. I noticed the use of the above code in an article PHP_Dates. I then tried to implement the same code in my own personal implementation of Media Wiki but it did not work. I'm assuming that I need to download something or activate something, but have had difficulty tracking it down. Could you help me out or point me in the right direction? Duckingham 19:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

hi cq and thanks
been a while... just remembered what was happening here... i am teaching in a music college now, which might be down your street... i posted a question in the mediawiki helpdesk, and i wondered if you were free at all for chat since you seem to be in the know here abouts... hope you are well --Fidocancan 09:38, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

German Wikiversity
Hello CQ, there are messages for you here and at your talk page on German WV. Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 11:59, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi Erkan. Thanks for the heads up. I'm quite offline these days but hope to get back soon. I'll try to catch up then. Later! • CQ 01:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey - welcome back (kinda), Charley! We've missed you around... :-) Cormaggio talk 15:41, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes ... #wikiversity-en has not been the same since your disappearance. Countrymike 20:44, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problems

 * Your currently affected images are listed below; please provide a license template and source for each. Thanks. – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 23:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

 * 2006-10-24 06:04, CQ: 33px-Crystal 128 fonts.png: untagged! ; 0 (0)
 * 2006-11-05 17:47, CQ: Audacity-linux-small.jpg: untagged! ; 2 (2)
 * 2007-01-02 18:19, CQ: Urantia logo.gif: untagged! ; 1 (1)

Catching up
hey Charlie, do you still visit the irc channel? Hope we can catch up some time. Chrismo 15:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wikiversity the Movie (15th August 2009)
Hello, there is a new time frame set for the Wikiversity the Movie: it is 15th August 2009 - our next Wikiversity Day. Are you still interested in helping with the music/soundtrack ? If so, please leave a note at: Talk:Wikiversity the Movie/Music. See you, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat (try) 14:32, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

French Mentoring
Salut, CQ. You are listed at the French stream as being a beginning student of French who is interested in learning French. The French Mentoring project has recently been launched, and if you add your name to that list, I will do my best to put you in contact with an appropriate Mentor who would be glad to help you. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 09:44, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Template:Navbox
Good evening, being the organizing (but not organized) person that I am I thought it would be a good idea to fix the Navbox template. Currently I have loaded the most recent version of the template from Wikipedia, however there are a couple of other items that need to be ported over and they are in areas of the wiki to which I do not have access. CSS and JS code necessary are on my User page, and belong on MediaWiki:Common.css and MediaWiki:Common.js respectively. These two sections of code control the styling of the navboxes, navbars, and whatnot, and the collapsability of the navboxes (via an optional link on the right side of the navbox {see w:Template:Navbox with collapsible groups}. Let me know if you have any questions or concerns. Tigey 05:26, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

 * Please don't do it. The code used by Wikipedia last I checked was unmaintained. Wikiversity uses a modified version that allows more flexibility. -- dark lama  11:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

 * No problem. Just so long as the Navbar template can call it correctly. Tigey 16:43, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Audacity-linux-small.jpg
Image copyright Image:Audacity-linux-small.jpg • Crochet.david 10:55, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:Urantia logo.gif
Image copyright Image:Urantia logo.gif • Crochet.david 11:00, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

two things
I saw your cool article "Keyline design principles"...it took me back to my days in Iowa.

I noticed that you are using File:Garageband keyboard.png on your user page. This is a fairuse image that technically cannot be used outside of the main namespace. The copyright police seem to be on the prowl, so I thought I'd warn you. --JWSchmidt 18:01, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Like you JWSurf, I'm sometimes clueless! CQ 20:27, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Sandbox
Hi. I've temporarily deleted this system message for the moment because it seemed to break the link to the sandbox in the "community" panel. I'm afraid I don't understand what you were trying to do so I'm sorry if I've inadvertently broken something else but I'll leave it for you to restore. Regards. Adambro 10:58, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Hey CQ, do know about the Sandbox Server project? We currently have a test server up and running which can be used for anything from experimenting with new services to testing Mediawiki extensions.  It really hasn't been used much lately, but I'd like to revive interest in it.  --mikeu talk 15:21, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Oh yeah. So would I. I have an account there as yeoman . Haven't been there in a while. As a homeless person, I have a hard time with continuity! CQ 18:17, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Category:Class
This is it, boys and girls. We are out of time.

CQ 04:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

LiquidThreads
Improving Wikimedia’s Discussion System --mikeu talk 16:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * OK thanks. I added a request and I'll add Andrew's discussion to our LiquidThreads resource.

Ello
Thank you for your message. I don't use IRC, i prolly should but don't as yet...but i do use Skype: b9_hummingbird_hovering & B9Joker108@Twitter. Cheers B9 hummingbird hovering 15:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't recall mentioning IRC. Could you post a link to the convo you're refering to? CQ 18:03, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Daughters or sisters?
I'm not sure about the geneology of WMF projects - is it daughters or sisterprojects? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 10:23, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Sisters is correct. (Though wikipedia is of course the grandaddy of all the others). --SB_Johnny talk 13:05, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

 * Who's yo daddy? It depends on context, connotation, perspective, ...
 * We're out of time for all that. You're both on my list. CQ 17:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * But you can always make more time... nice to see you active here, CQ! Sj 08:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * And very nice to see you here, Sj! CQ 13:01, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

HHF and merging.
OK to know that HHF may reeive a merge tag very soon. But why the need of putting the info on a template? You could have put the info on my talk page, or maybe on the discussion page of the mainpage. Why change the mainpage navigation link to direct me to a page? The link itself says "Recent Discussions on the forum" and links to a talk page.

Isn't this totally uncalled for?

Dharav talk 05:38, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Template Talk
Please have a look at Template_talk:HHF/Category_Listing --Dharav talk 21:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

Gossip :-)
Heya CQ. Here's the catch-up off the top of my head:
 * As you know, Mirwin died about a year and a half ago. We were notified through the mailing list.
 * Guillom and Seb are both still active in Wikimedia, but pretty busy elsewhere. Guillom's a steward now, and I think Seb is mostly active on de.wikipedia. They pop in on #wikiversity-en once in a blue moon.
 * Haven't seen RayC in ages... he just sorta disappeared. I've seen Draicone around from time to time.
 * Cormac is still around, working on his thesis. He (along with McCormack, Mikeu, and myself) was involved in the first go-round with JWSchmidt, and he's been a bit less active since then.
 * McCormack is gone, probably not coming back. He did a lot of the heavy lifting on this, and I think he just had had enough after seeing the response.
 * As for me, I was pretty much planning to take a year off, but started getting a bunch of IRC pings... turned out there were only 2 custodians still active as of a month and a half ago, and we started getting hit by the wacko cross-wiki vandals :/.

So yeah, it's been pretty sad. Hopefully we can at some point get the momentum going again... I think a more concerted effort at outreach to the Wikipedians, and perhaps bits of the "blogosphere" could help a lot, but it's a chicken and egg issue (or maybe hole in the bucket): we need a more welcoming and functional community to attract new people, and we need new people to build up a welcoming and functional community. Hope you're gonna stay around a while... it's great to have you on IRC again to help folks get orientated! --SB_Johnny talk 09:50, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

HHF
Wow! That's all I can say for your message on my talk page. I know using this system is difficult, that's why I want to create a more user friendly forum, something which acquaints you with the whole process. Ultimately, it's just text input. So, my question is, what step of the process creates the inhibition? If you can tell me that, I'll go ahead.

Personally, I don't believe the templates are complex. They are usable. Are being used. What's the problem? That is indeed a question, not a rhetoric. What's the problem?

Is the forum rocking? No! Why? It's not user friendly! Why is that so? Because the pages are not complete. None of the pages describe to the user the process or make him familiar with the environment. So? So, I need someone's help in completing the whole forum and to make it more user friendly.

Infact, you can be of great value to the forum. What are the problems according with the forum and the templates according to you. Please be specific, saying its too complex or saying its too tedious is just a qualitative decription. If you point out exactly what is wrong, I can modify the forum.

Thanks! And I am hopeful this thing goes somewhere pretty soon. Do reply! --Dharav talk 16:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't understand HHF (which has not yet been created for some reason) and its subtemplates HHF/Category_Listing and especially HHF/Recent_Discussions. I'm still trying to figure them out. I left some comments around and I'm going to try to get some coordination going at Portal talk:Secondary Education which to me would be the logical place for HHF, since that's where High School teachers will eventually congregate. Give it some time, Dharav. Let's all work together. • CQ 22:43, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Category Listing template does what its name suggests : Lists all the categories in which you can ask questions on HHF. Recent Discussions lists all the recent discussions that have hapenned on HHF - which is a forum. So let's suppose it is a forum page from where you visit all the thread.

HHF(and not ) is the homepage of the forum - which does not GIVE anyone a description that it is a question answer forum.

I hope that'll make everythign clear.

About the link redirects, I guess you still didn't fully understand that HHF is ultimately Highschool Help FORUM, and those Physics, Chemistry and Biology links are links to ask questions in those topics on HHF. They are not INDEPENDENT resources on those four topics. Please, I wouldn't dare to do that in my wildest dreams. PLEASE, undo the redirects.

As for the content creation methods you suggested me - I didn't intend to create any content. All I intend is to answer to people who ask questions on HHF. Isn't that SIMPLE?

I presume the problem was lack of information about HHF on the HHF homepage itself and your inability to comprehend the name FORUM. As far as the former problem goes, that's what I'm asking help for, ain't I? I want people to help me out with making the pages more accessible and user friendly and informative. Content in the form of questions will automatically flow!

Thanks and cheers! --Dharav talk 04:46, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for posting some stuff on HHF/How_To. That'll help! Thanks again. --Dharav talk 05:10, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

Wikibooks and Wikiversity
I usually reply to comments on my talk page on my talk pages, but I hadn't yet added my usual disclaimer on that to the talk page here at Wikiversity, so I'm replying here in response to your comment on my talk page.

Ironically enough, while you (by your own admission) are not that familiar with Wikibooks but are quite familiar with Wikiversity (at least I assume so since you are a custodian), I am not that familiar with Wikiversity but am quite familiar with Wikibooks (to the point where they made me an admin there). I do know that Wikiversity started out as part of Wikibooks. However, that was way before my time. When there was a problem with cross-wiki spam a short while back and I made a comment on it here, SB Johnny made a comment that I should help people get a handle on things here. I haven't had the time as of yet, but I need to become more familiar with Wikiversity as a community and what its policies are for acceptable content to know best how to foster the relationship between Wikiversity and Wikibooks. The big difference I see is that Wikibooks is not an acceptable place for original research, while Wikiversity is. The biggest similarity is that both projects have the goal of teaching, one through textbooks and the other through classes. Those classes, like traditional classes, may use a textbook as part of study. Therein lies the connection between the two projects.

Furthermore, there are a whole swath of class projects at Wikibooks created by real-life university classes. You'll find that the Old Dominion University projects are the most complete and active examples (with thousands of pages in the Foundations... books). The ODU projects heavily blur the line between Wikiversity and Wikibooks as they may even be using Wikibooks in a manner intended more for Wikiversity, in that they create separate editions for each semester of class. The outstanding VfD on Consumer Behavior in Travel and Tourism that is as yet unresolved shows that some of these books straddle the line so well that even we can't figure out where they fit in best.

Wikiversity and Wikibooks services has a section on aligning the two projects via categories. Given that it is dated 2007 and has red links, I know it is certainly out of date and may not have taken off. Part of my "claim to fame" on Wikibooks was the restructuring and organization of the books, categories, and subjects (see here for more detail) there out of the mess they were in when I first came upon the site. The changes made without regard to Wikiversity's organization, but given the similarity between the projects, there may be potential for similar categories on each to link to each other as well as subjects on Wikibooks linking to portals/topics on Wikiversity and vice-versa. I have to gain an understanding of how Wikiversity categories are structured as well and whether they have much relation to how portals and topics are used. These are my thoughts at this point in time before delving into things further. -- Adrignola 15:45, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

French
I would be happy to mentor you in French. Let me know how I can be of service. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 06:18, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome Jade! Did you see my question on Censorship?
 * I take it you missed my answer on IRC? I linked the phrase to Wikipedia, so future scholars will be less confused.  Literally, it means something akin to "reason for being", and this more or less contains the meaning of the phrase.  For more detail, see raison d'être.  The Jade Knight (d'viser) 19:09, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool! I wish our IRC discussions were logged in some way. The Espians have some nifty tools for such. --CQ 19:24, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Censorship
What exactly is the intended purpose of this page? I'm afraid it isn't entirely clear. Adambro 15:24, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It has a purpose to do with behavior. Please pay attention. --15:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It is still not clear what exactly the purpose is. I would appreciate if you could explain. Adambro 15:43, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I would be grateful if you could clarify the purpose. Adambro 20:24, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It's purpose is to present some historical background about sysops (sysops). See Wikiversity talk:Censorship --CQ 13:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
 * I would welcome your input here. Adambro 13:26, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Catalyst
Here is where we're going... CQ 15:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Dynamic Containment
Thanks for the comments. I did not know how to reach you or what the right protocol is. ( somebody was kind enough to set me straight on this, still not quite sure whether this is the right procedure. but here it goes ( copy of what i wrote on Dynamic containment page: I do not know how to respond to you - I mean not to your questions, but how this will reach you. if it does please enlighten me how it works ( if it is not too much trouble- don't want to be a pain!) Dynamic Containment is mine and all mine Its good technology since it operates exclusively with forces instead of structures. in this case the DC field is generated simply by 2 nozzle sets that's it. In the first picture one nozzle set spits out water the other air both fluids interact in the DC zone where the shear forces are from order to 2 orders of magnitude higher than in the surroundings that's where and why everything happens there. in the flame case 2nd picture the flame or/and fuel never touches the wall ( the reason i stumbled upon this thingy. there are other Dynamic containment processes available and one is in use called Tokamak reactor which uses magnetic fields to contain high/ correction very very high temperature plasmas (gasses). Of course I am planning to include some wright- up on the page. thank you for your interest. If this does not reach you I will try some other way ( not sure yet?)Altera vista 21:24, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I read you loud and clear Altera vista! Thanks for the answer. --CQ 22:10, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Media literacy
Thanks for the heads up, Charley! That looks fine - what's at Media literacy, developed by Renee Hobbs and students (if memory serves correct), is much better than my initial sketch - though this could always be resurrected and developed. (Again, on memory, I think this was my first content contribution to Wikiversity, way back in its days on Wikibooks!) Cormaggio talk 07:16, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

OpenMoko gets a Guitar Tuner!
Hey there!

LTNS. I got this on the mailing list the other day, and you immediately popped into my mind:

Here's the working release of guitartune for shr-u.

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4149047/guitartune_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk guitartune_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk

To install use, 'opkg install guitartune_1.0-r0.4_armv4t.ipk --force-depends' since the ipk otherwise looks for libfftw3-3 >3.2.2 while the one in the feeds is v3.1.2.

Any ideas how I can change this? I'm still v new to bb files.

The interim bb file is here - it needs more work to remove the autotools files etc - something I need to do for all my projects.

http://n2.nabble.com/file/n4149047/guitartune.bb guitartune.bb

I'm not sure if you drank the OM koolaid, but someone got inspired to do it. Hope all is well with you! Historybuff 01:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

 * I just got a new guitar with a built-in tuner! (Film at 11) • CQ 02:53, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Appropedia assistance
Hey CQ, I was wondering whether you are interested in joining Appropedia; we currently need someone with experience in the wiki-software; see http://www.appropedia.org/User_talk:Chriswaterguy#Members More precisely, we need to add some extensions/semantic updates to automate a few things (ie member listing, ...). Let me/us know if you're intrested or if you know someone that might be intrested. KVDP 10:46, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the lag :| How's this? CQ 01:39, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

HHF
Hi CQ! I see you have posted a question regarding Highschool Help Forum a few months back.

It's great that my work got noticed.

I have an idea for us to make the highschool help forum more useful and productive. Specifically meant for content generation. I want it to become an exhaustive resource for those who are studying the topic - through an input that is given drop by drop to make up the ocean.

I have had several thoughts as to what makes Wikiversity a little slow - having contributed to wikibooks myself. Please drop me a message as soon as possible! --Dharav talk 15:13, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

Hi I have been leaving posts in Discussion pages on the Biblical Studies page looking for a way to move forward. Biblical Studies seems to have been active in 2008 and then stalled. I think that part of that stall is due to the "policy" of having material conform to a "literal normative" outlook which tends to reduce academic inquiry. I am planning on starting a Department Project on the Synoptic Gospels which will definitely not consider the text of the gospels involved to be "inerrant" but before starting that I am leaving this message on the discussion page of all noted "active participants". It could be that I should set up the seminar/discussion somewhere else in Wikiversity and I need some direction. --Bill A 15:08, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Mabuabsdd
Your block of Mabuabsdd may now be moot, because TCNSV went to meta and filed checkuser, and the CU globally locked the account for "cross-wiki" abuse, which was definitely not happening. These are elementary school kids (one or more) using a school computer, possibly the class computer, so CU would easily show them as single. It's obvious that there were socks, there is no sophisticated evasion, and I'd been working with them to teach them how to avoid problems here. Wikiversity is for education, and education was happening. It takes time with kids, the iron fist doesn't work. The only damage being done to WV was my time, voluntarily given, beyond some easy speedy deletions, which I was handling before I was desysopped.

I had not been ready to ask for custodian help with this, they were responding, albeit sometimes slowly, back and forth. That's what it's like to work with kids.... --Abd 15:09, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Well iDangerMouse sure put me on the spot. As you can see on the custodian list, I have been inactive here at Wikiversity. My attention has been drawn to other projects with different foundations and very different conversational styles. I'm gradually folding back in to Wikiversity but in a more passive role. -- CQ 23:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Uh, what did IDangerMouse do? --Abd 23:34, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Abd, the thing to do in these cases is to ask one of the youngsters to call the teacher over to the computer. Discuss with the teacher their role in working online with their students to ensure that the students are using online resources in an appropriate and educationally constructive manner.  —Moulton 15:54, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Moulton, that would have been damaging, in this case and in practically all others. If Mabuabsdd had continued to make work for custodians, I'd have contacted the school, because the blocks needed to stop it could impact school access. Otherwise, this is an independent learning resource for these kids, and I took on the work of managing it, and it looks like I may have gained their understanding and consent for that, but it was still fragile.

 * Because Mabuabsdd behavior was improving, though with some fits and starts, I had not come to the point of asking for custodian action, beyond some speedy deletion tags. I've got a kid in the exact age range (7 years old) (and I had six go through this age before that). I know what generally works with smart kids and what won't. If I asked him to call over the teacher, that would have been the end, at this stage, he'd have identified me as opposing him, he simply would have ignored it, I'm sure, or he'd have pretended to be the teacher. Revealing the teacher's name would be a privacy violation! (Identifying the kid as being in that teacher's class.) Aaqib is very bright, that's obvious. I'm not going to stuff him into your quaint ideas of "educationally constructive," you are really someone to talk about that! He's learning, but the learning has been temporarily interrupted by TCNSV's filing at meta, which will bear some examination. --Abd 16:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Teaching both students and supervising faculty how to be responsible users of online learning resources is not damaging. It's the essence of responsibility.   On MicroMuse, whenever a new school came online, we discussed with the supervising faculty what our expectations were for their role in working with their students on our system.  —Moulton 16:32, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * And how is MicroMuse doing? In this case, are the teachers "working with" these students? Do they have time for that? I was being successful, slowly and gradually, at "teaching" the students how to be "responsible users." What expectations do we have, here, of parents and teachers? Seems to me it's none, other than natural consequences. I'd have involved the school administration if it had become necessary to block the school IP. That had not been necessary. Odd, Moulton, you are very big on experiential learning, you are averse to any kind of supervision of your behavior, but, here, you want to control this situation through an authority figure, the teacher. For us to even contact the school could violate Privacy policy! I wasn't going to go there unless absolutely necessary to prevent serious damage.

 * Sorry, CQ, but there are some important issues here as to overall Wikiversity policy, especially if we want to start training very young users to cooperate and collaborate here, or at least to learn wiki process without being disruptive. If a school comes to us, perhaps with parental permission -- these users edit from home, sometimes --, and requests cooperation, great! But that has not happened. --Abd 17:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Why bring this up on my user talk page? This is way out of scope for me at this time. I don't know what to say here. Sorry Moulton, Abd. -- CQ 23:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * CQ, you blocked Mabuabsdd for two hours. Why? The block reason was (Inappropriate username: suspected sockpuppet) What's inappropriate? Yeah, Mabuabsdd has apparent socks, I was talking with him about that, but no harm was being done, it was all so obvious. And harmless. In the end, if the global lock is lifted, I'm pretty sure the accounts will all be sorted. There was a small amount of inappropriate activity on other wikis, very little, actually. Again, you catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. Our mission is education, and Mabuabsdd is a very bright elementary school kid whom we can train to be a cooperative user, or we can train him to be a block evader, and he'll have plenty of time to get good at either. I get the feeling this kid won't give up easily. --Abd 23:41, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Have you ever heard of Action Research? —Moulton 18:01, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Yes, Moulton. I'm involved in activism and action research within many spheres, these days. -- CQ 23:22, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

 * Sorry, I meant that for Abd. I only came here because this is where the discussion was taking place.  —Moulton 23:27, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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With regard to this file on the Audacity main learning resource page, I could not find this exact screenshot located on http://audacity.sourceforge.net/about/screenshots but maybe I missed it and haven't looked hard enough. Could you please point to the exact webpage where you've found it? Note that images directly on the website provided by audacity.sourceforge.net itself are released under CC-BY 3.0, but user-created screenshots demonstrating personal use of the software could be licensed as GPL. In any case, I've uploaded their version of it at File:Screenshot of Audacity on Linux - Audacity on SourceForge.png to Wikimedia Commons in case you wanted to use a larger equivalent. TeleComNasSprVen (discuss • contribs) 00:07, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

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 * OK. Thanks. I'm unifying everything I can under my trusty User:CQ account on all the projects. - CQ (discuss • contribs) 13:33, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

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Welcome back
We are just a sleepy college town, not much happening here, except for users quietly and freely learning and educating, and we like it that way. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 01:02, 29 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks abd. I'm still a homeless transient with very intermittent Internet access using borrowed computers, but I'm still connected and very interested in Quality and I am subscribed to the Wikiversity-I mailing list. If you happen to see something that needs my particular attention, please feel free to email me through the email feature. CQ (discuss • contribs) 13:37, 17 July 2015 (UTC)

Yo, oldtimer!
Are you around? I'm looking for a wikicouch (tm) to crash on. :P Let me know where your rolling stone is right now. Historybuff (discuss • contribs) 06:51, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey, Gerald! Been a long time. I'm in Paducah, Kentucky (See Paducah2020 project). CQ (discuss • contribs) 21:59, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
 * It certainly has been a long time. Are any of the old gang hanging out on IRC anymore? I have been coming into some free time and been neglecting my non-commercial learning for far too long. Just put my toe back in the water here, trying to get a sense of how things are going. Would be a blast to do some IRC-ing again. Historybuff (discuss • contribs) 02:46, 12 December 2015 (UTC)
 * A lot has changed around here. I'm on the INACTIVE list as a custodian. Cormac has essentially bailed and it looks like JW was virtually blackballed. I'm still lurking in the background as a shadow figure. I still have no resilient Internet access, so there's little I can do here for the time being. Hopefully, I'll get a base of operations up and running in order to resume the original plan.
 * A lot has changed, that's for sure. Let me know where you are on your journey; it would be nice to get WCR fired back up. Hope you had a happy new year; all the best in this upcoming year! Historybuff (discuss • contribs) 23:32, 5 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Capital! OzoneFarm.org is getting ready for the Total Solar Eclipse near Carbondale, IL on 21 August 2017. Wiki Campus Radio world premier debut! Be there! CQ (discuss • contribs) 02:21, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

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Thanks for joining the Jazz project. I've waited 9 years! Maybe we'll be Jamming Online soon! CQ (discuss • contribs) 01:13, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
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 * Do you know Ninjam ? I'm just reading this page ; I've never tried that system before. --Thierry613 (discuss • contribs) 14:05, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

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Hey there, stranger,

you're listed as an active participant in the school of music. I'm just checking to see who's involved and how, just to get to know folks. I'm planning on adding a lot of content and I wanted to get some opinions on how to structure it. I'm trying to decide how to layer a complex project into the fabric of wikiversity and I' thought I'd bounce a question off of you. If someone were to try to organize an entire major through wikiversity, where would they put courses, where would they put individual pages for projects, and where would they host the whole major structure?

 * Aanswered on User talk:Jon michael swift 19 April 2016 -- Thanks for participating! CQ (discuss • contribs) 21:34, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

Campus Radio
So apparently there is this tool called Wikiradio... ShakespeareFan00 (discuss • contribs) 00:05, 10 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes. There's a page at meta >>> Wikiradio • CQ (discuss • contribs) 19:39, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

 * So any chance of getting Campus Radio running again using it? ShakespeareFan00 (discuss • contribs) 18:17, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Oh, definitely. The only thing that's prevented it is lack of interest and the fact that I've been off the grid for so long. Sometime this summer, I'm getting my unit online live. I'll have a Linux sound server in a well-equipped studio together soon, if all goes according to plan. I'm hoping other hosts will join the network. See also SYZYGY17 and SYZYGY17 for a broader perspective about this plan. Meanwhile, Here's me and my son doing some spontaneous music: https://soundcloud.com/charleyquinton/charley-and-sonmp3 .. CQ (discuss • contribs) 18:13, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

 * Hey CQ, I saw you poked me a few years back before I fell back off the Wikiverse. I think I'm back for a while, and would be interested in putting together something like Campus Radio. I see they even did a Sandbox Server 2.0. Pretty cool. Hope all is well with you, and hope to see you soon! Historybuff (discuss • contribs) 20:30, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

 * Oh yeah! I'm still on the job and moving through cyberspace like a Ninja (turtle). The quick response team from the future is still waiting patiently for the HistoryBuffer to clear the landing zone. * CQ (discuss • contribs) 02:35, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

 * Glad to see your still around. We did some pretty cool stuff last time around on shoestring and nonexistent budgets with no funding, so I think it would be something we should look into doing again. I'm a bit at the mercy to the ebbs and flows of the Academic system right now, which means I actually have a bit of time now. My plan is to start small and work my way up. The other thing is I'm more flexible in my thinking now -- where before everything had to be on wiki or WMF palatable, I think we could do some small scale stuff as demos or proof of concept and see if the powers that be think that is worth supporting. I think that getting WCR moving first is the smaller and more achievable step, but I'd still like to see if we could do something with regards to a programming course. (I'm not convinced we NEED a sandbox server like we thought originally; but having a server would make some things easier). Anyways, one day and one step at a time.
 * Let's get this party started! Historybuff (discuss • contribs) 05:57, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

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 * well... #ifexist MediaWiki bootcamp --- Nevermind -- give it another decade. CQ (discuss • contribs) 02:11, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

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Talk:Science as religion/Darwinism

I don't think it's appropriate to be using the Alba article as the primary jumping-off point for this discussion. After reading some of her other stuff, I have trouble taking her seriously. Perhaps an article from a philosophy journal or textbook would be more appropriate? The Alba article seems to be pretty poor quality material to base an entire course on. -zach

 * I selected that article because it is an example of the kind of thing that gets said and it influences people (such as voters and politicians), even if it would be hard to find similar comments in a scholarly source. --JWSchmidt 18:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually, the text is so bad it makes for a good introduction and motivation. The main points are not well laid out and argued one-sidedly at best. This forces the avid student to try to distill those first! Usually with good texts this is all laid out and must therefore never be done explicitly. Pedro.Gonnet 18:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Ah, ok I see. I guess I would agree then.

here's a good article on speciation

www.trueorigin.org may have some more intelligent articles relating to evolution, etc., though I don't think any of them take a specifically sociological perspective. The Jade Knight 03:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * yeah, its also got a lot of information if you want to learn about young-earth creationism.
 * Yes, I meant as an anti-evolution source which (primarily - it is a collection of articles) treats subjects on a very scientific, analytical level. Some of the articles have clear religious overtones, or discuss direct Christian concepts.  The Jade Knight 21:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Perspective
One should be careful with the spectrum of this project; is it exclusively limited to the US? How are these subjects treated in other countries in Europe, Asia, Africa, and the Middle East? The Jade Knight 03:29, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The topic is rather moot here in Switzerland, where we still have a division of Church and State. The same goes for the rest of western Europe. Darwinism (or Darwinian Evolution) is taught in school and if you want to hear creationism you can go to church. For some reason people don't get as emotionally involved as in the US regarding many religious topics. I guess for most people religion or faith is a very privat thing and they won't fuss too much about what others believe or want to believe, as long as they are not bothered by it -- which is quite contrary to the attitude percieved in the USA... --Pedro.Gonnet 11:40, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The US also has a clear division of Church and state—the US has no national religion, unlike several European nations. However, what a division of Church and State means is very, very subjective, as the past 300 years of Western history has shown.  The Jade Knight 21:14, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Something to keep in mind—many Americans would be outraged at the kind of taxation to support churches that occurs in many of the cantons of Switzerland, violating (in American minds) the separation of Church and State. The Jade Knight 20:51, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a bit OT, but the taxation is not mandatory. If you are not a member of a given denomination or you simply don't want to pay, you don't pay a cent. The money collected is re-distributed directly to the religious groups. The whole scheme is more of an administrative process for the churches to collect funds. As far as I know there is no government money going to churches directly, i.e. by financing of "faith-based" initiatives. --Pedro.Gonnet 11:14, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, but this would still be overstepping the line in the minds of most Americans. My point is simply to illustrate how concepts of the separation of Church and state differ—if nothing else, many Swiss cantons have official religions (which is a violation of the American concept of separation of Church and State).  The Jade Knight 00:00, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * To put this back to the original discussion, I personally consider this topic to be entirely US-centric. The public dispute over evolution and intelligent design in public schools is, as far as I know, exclusive to the US. 121.208.144.199 09:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Compassion as both religion and evolution
As I started studying education to become a middle school teacher, I encountered the Constructivist concept of a "community of knowledge." I have spent a significant part of my life in forests, and I could seen the "community of knowledge," or all the collected information be it the knowledge of the animals about food sources, or the information about growth in the DNA of all the beings as a "natural community of knowledge." As I followed this line of thought, I came into contact with lot of recent research linking evolution to the development of morality. Much of the research showed that the natural morality that we get from evolution is vastly more sophisticated than the morality that is handed down by, say, a judge in a court of law. This natural morality was referred to as "natural affection" Darwin, and he wrote about it extensively. People who study Darwin say his work extends Aristotle's, especially with regard to the concept of Eudaimonia, which roughly translates to "having a good life through moral living." Darwinism appears to me to be linked to compassion, which to me is what all religions have common; compassion is also biologically healthy for those who feel it a lot.

A lot of people wonder aloud what the fuss is all about, including me. I see no conflict between evolution and religion; I see science simply as an explanation of religion.

Possibly to strengthen what I am trying to say, it is literally science in the form of social science that has brought me to church. I attended a service with a friend mostly to be social, and in this tiny church, I found nearly every aspect of an ideal and healthy society as described by the Constructivists in this church, so I keep going back -- though I have to fake the praying part a little ;)

My research was for my final paper for my undergraduate work: "Spiritual Darwinism". My professor/mentor, Alan Mandell, credited me with "tuning his head around" on many issues surrounding empathy, and also the moral nature of the natural world.--John van v 02:43, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

 * I wonder if you have read any of the work of Edward Wilson. In his book, "Consilience", he discusses some of the issues that you mention above. --JWSchmidt 03:25, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

about the title
This is a disgrace! Evolutionary biology at the university level is absolutely NOT concerned with discussing religion. Evolution is hard science. Don't believe me? Search evolution in PubMed and see the vast quantities of non-philosophical literature that result. I suggest that "--- as religion" articles be moved to their proper locations in philosophy, sociology, or religious studies. Doing so will encourage actually helpful entries populate the Evolutionary Biology section. -Tom

Concerns
My biggest concern with this continuous discussion is how people seem to confuse tools with dogmas. Science is merely a tool, an extension of what we think we know currently, and it is questioned, adjusted, and adapted to suit peoples' needs and new discoveries. Science is used by both the secular, and the ecclesiastic. So, where is the issue here? Also, Darwin's ideas are not "isms". I mean, who ever heard of natural selectionism? The addition of the "ism" suffix is a recent development. Only aspects of his ideas are even relevant today- look at his theories from then and compare them with what we currently know. This is the beauty of science as a tool. Darwinian evolution might be a more appropriate term, but it's more palaeontological in the sense that its old propositions have steadily been replaced. With which theological philosophy can you see everyone, from the layman all the way up to the leadership, changing the dogma of the faith in question to suit what is currently known? I am no theology major, but I certainly question, for it is my nature. For hundreds of years, people have either accepted a creationist world view, or they have looked to other ideas for whatever reason (not my place to question them doing so). The ideas themselves have never truly been in conflict, except when I look at how I went through nearly twelve years of grade school never learning anything about evolutionary concepts because of all the conflicts with teaching it, which we're seeing yet again. I do not see anyone questioning mathematics- would you remove math from school because someone called it a religion? To a mathematician, his world is numbers. But that does not mean it is his religion- he could thank God every night for being able to express the beauty he sees with a language which is utterly human (I do not see any squirrels writing algebraic equations). Math is also a tool. Do you see what I see? --Amanda 07:11, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The whole page needs some attention and organization. There could be an introductory paragraph that tries to put the idea of "darwinism" into historical perspective. I agree that we need good learning resources that tackle fundamental issues about the nature of science....issues like making the distinction between the scientific method and particular scientific theories. I think it is clear from the history of science that dominate patterns of scientific thought get established and they can be deeply flawed while being essentially immune from criticism. I think Wikiversity should make clear that scientific study of biological evolution is an on-going process in which it is important to question all assumptions. We might be able to give a detailed account of how science works and how scientific ideas change through time and compare that to the way religious dogmas are not questioned and persist through time. --JWSchmidt 18:26, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with the opinions you express and ideas you propose herein. Personally I feel like this is one of the big issues- there is a lot of misunderstanding of science, what it is, and so on. One of the questions you raise for me is, aside from the current evolution debate, which is questioned every single day, what aspects of science are so hard wired that they may need to be questioned for, well, not being questioned? One of the fundamental foundations of science is to question everything- leave no premise or treatise unturned. So many individuals in scientific fields exist so that there should be so many critics that, like Tolkien had said once some time ago, people might even be expected to venture to criticize even the critics. However, I have to add that, you make a good point in stating that theology is a stasis. Like Charles Marsh once said, "...language is a primary element of culture, and stasis in the arts is tantamount to death...", but, theology in all its various expressions persists (and I do not bemoan this). In fact it is a remarkable thing about it. --Amanda 23:08, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * We have a page called What is science?. It would be fun to have a Wikiversity page about the history of scientific ideas that became dominant memes within scientific communities but were later found to have been misguided. Maybe we need a leaning project such as Science: question everything. --JWSchmidt 18:04, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I wonder to what extent it was Wallace's book "Darwinism" that brought the term "Darwinism" into popular use. --JWS 15:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

 * For a counterpoint take a look at How To Defend Society Against Science by Paul Feyerabend. He makes a distinction between the ideal of science and how it is implemented and taught.  Another similar essay is The End of Science?  Contrast those two references with these: Is Science a Religion? and Is Science Religious?  All of these references are more about science in general, rather than Darwin, and might be better discussed at Science as religion.--mikeu 13:35, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If we are doing point, counter-point I think Carl Sagan's formula of "skepticism and wonder" is a far more realistic strategy than Feyerabend's dream of engineering society to give equal time for astrologers and scientists. I suppose Feyerabend enjoyed his free plane ticket to Europe and had a good laugh that he could earn access to the fruits of science while at the same time trying to equate it with mysticism. I suspect that philosophers such as Daniel Dennett, who prefer realism over anarchism, will have far more lasting effect on philosophy, science and society. Note: I'm having trouble getting this to load to my browser. --JWSchmidt 15:11, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

overhaul
This whole article needs to be overhauled for it to be of use. My impressions are 1) The premise is inflammatory 2) It's not honouring to any deity of choice to compare him/her to a mortal  3) It's not representative of the vast literature produced by scientists of faith and none who have grappled with this question 4) And so the end result is a mess. It'd better off being deleted and replaced by something that has taken more thought to produce. Graham Hartland 16:38, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be interesting to see if the Ben Stein's new film (Expelled) will renew interest in this topic and bring some revival and improvement to it. The Jade Knight 09:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Graham: feel free to craft an alternative approach. The "read and discuss" format is just a starting point. The existing learning resource is a reaction to the claim that ideas from science are sometimes treated like unquestioned religious dogma. Honor for deities is not a goal for this learning resource. Rather than try to delete the resource, why not provide alternatives? --JWSchmidt 23:24, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

 * To anyone editing this article: please also feel free to improve the article with a complete rewrite. Do not feel pressurised to set up shop on another page or accept earlier edits. If an editor feels that a resource is of such low quality that it must be improved or rewritten, then they may express that opinion and look for consensus on that, or they can even be bold and simply go right ahead. An editor may also request deletion of an article if they have reason and try to seek consensus for that at Requests for Deletion. --McCormack 04:45, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

 * This is a discussion group, a type of resource that should probably not be at the top level in mainspace. It has become a coatrack for drive by comments and claims. I'm going to prune it, and intend to move this to some resource subspace. "Darwinism" is not a subject in a university catalog. As has been pointed out, it's a polemical term. —Abd (discuss • contribs) 01:40, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Darwinism?
The word itself is pejorative. Evolution theory has changed vastly since Darwin and this word is almost 100% used by IDists & Creationists in order to further the idea that it is a religion. Also, this is almost solely confined to the USA. TheresaWilson 02:51, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * (I don't understand how this wiki works, I'm afraid, would my comment have been appropriate on the "resource" page which seems to be used for comments?) TheresaWilson 09:15, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a strange one! Here, the "resource" page (equivalent to an "article' on Wikipedia) is itself a discussion, so I think your comment was more in line with the discussion, rather than the discussion around the discussion. :-) You could always copy and paste your initial comment to the resource page - it's clearly something which could do with expanding. Cormaggio talk 10:34, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Cormaggio, I think that I will. This is only my second day around here, so I'm still learning! TheresaWilson 14:02, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw your remark on the Colloquium. In my country, Holland, religion is being scorned by the majority of society nowadays. There is no chance whatsoever that the religious critique on Darwinism will get root. However, one of the ministers of te Dutch Labour Party, a well-known atheist, has said that socialism has its sources in the christian morality. I guess he is referring solely to liberation theology and not to anti-evolution theory propaganda. I think that Europe has been lost to christianity without any chance to become christian again. I am hoping for a kind of taoist humanism. I am a (mainstream) atheist, by the way.--Daanschr 16:39, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

IP chatter
In the section, "Is Christianity the religion of public schools?" an IP re-added a comment that was apparently sarcastic chatter. It was a response to a very old IP comment:
 * It depends on your culture, my dear.

This was the new comment, and it blanked the attribution and obscured it.
 * If it's a Christian school... Yes. If it's not a Christian school... No. Although it depends on your culture, my dear and upon the area of which you live combined with the colour of your hair.....and also the technique in which you salsa....left foot, right foot, right foot, hip swivel.. and then to finish it off my dear sassy hand flick. Also depending on who your partner is, because you will then end with a dip instead of a sassy hand flick. Don't forget the synchronized salsa ultimate punch, otherwise the religion of public schools will be converted to machiavellianism

The original comment was a bit obscure. Obviously, any religious bias or institutionalization of a "public school" will depend on the "public" or the government of the society running the school. That's perhaps what the original BON meant. The extended comment by the new BON doesn't add to the page, so I've reverted it again. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 19:28, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

title: Talk:Science as religion/Darwinism