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User talk:Mirwin/Archive

Welcome
Hello Mirwin, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; for it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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== [Michael R. Irwin] put links to other sites along top edge of virtual desktop here

 * /Task Directives and Responses and Results and Status
 * /todo

 * /collegues
 * /trick and tips
 * /Study Notes
 * /links to background reading
 * /sand box
 * /other sites

If you made it here might as well leave some chit chat or an idle message or question.

Hello, Game comment and link
I saw []User_talk:Mirwin#Note_to_self|this]] the other day, not sure if you caught my note there.

I did a quick review of your game, and am intrigued by the concept. I have some ideas on how it might work as a project, and I am willing to contribute in some way to moving it forward. Let me know if you are on IRC ever to exchange ideas. Historybuff 06:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Test message
This is only a test.

page fix
I think I fixed that page. You can always click on the "history" tab and revert to a previous version of the page. Click on the date of the earlier version. When that version is shown, click "edit" then save. The current welcome templates are listed at Welcome templates. --JWSchmidt 00:31, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Jr, apt, grand visions, etc.
(copied here for personal future reference from Ben's talk page)

Mirwin, these days I tend to use aptitude, which is similar to apt-get in many respects but has "smarter" conflict resolution. Also, there are several gui frontends like synaptic, etc. that some people prefer, and which I find convenient from time to time. Check them out. As for installing Jr. the install doc is a bit outdated. I started to update it but got sidetracked. Really, it's nothing more complicated than:

1. Install Debian. 2. Select all junior-* packages you're interested in. 3. Install them.

Thanks for the pointers to the colloquium and OLTP. I'll check them out. Ben Armstrong 13:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did ask where to answer on irc and got answers about what "many people" do, but not "most people". Thanks for the tip. Ben Armstrong 10:27, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry Mike, I never went to OSU.

Self Paced Reading
Yes, my school used such a system when I was young....that was back in the 60s. The only problem I had with it was that like most school assignments it forced everyone to read the same limited set of material. Hypertext should be able to provide more options than paper. --JWSchmidt 09:32, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Mike?
So IS this how I can communicat with you? or should I be back on my page for this conversation?

 * Yes this is great. Sign your post with four tilda's to get a time stamp like this ---> Mirwin 03:15, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Whats a tilda?
Hey Mike I can see how I talk with you on your page but How do I talk to you on my page?````

 * It is the squiqqle above the tab key. Use cap as the tilda is above the apostrophe. Mirwin 03:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Generally initiate the conversation on my page, then I respond on your page, you respond on my page, etc. Sometimes people have the entire conversation on one page once it is successfully initiated.  Mirwin 03:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Mike Hanson 04:01, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

So how do I continue the conversation in the same box or do I Jonascox 03:19, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

OK so I figured that out. Just don't type in a subject and it defaults to the last?

so where did you go?Jonascox 03:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I put some messages on your talk page. Mirwin 03:24, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

development of hi-tech systems on wikiversity
Thanks for your note Mirwin. I would be thrilled, and perhaps the best way to express my enthusiasm would be to (finally!) clean up the TeX imports that I've contributed. :-) I would really like it if we could do something really useful with the Electric (software) here at wikiversity, perhaps even to the point of creating MOSIS integrated circuit designs that are usable CMOS MEMS devices.  Thanks for your feedback! JPatrickBedell 17:01, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Java
I had to learn Java some years ago to make an assignement. Do you know C++ or C? Because, well, it's a lot easier to learn Java then.

If you do know C++, as was my situation, I can suggest you the book "Java in a nutshell", which is more of a reference of the language, organized by topics. With that book, a good IDE (I used NetBeans, but Eclipse is more fashionable - if you're able to configure it, which I can't) and a program to develop, you can learn the language very quickly. --Jorge 01:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Reading, recording
Hi Michael, thanks for the link to Self Paced Reading Labs - interesting stuff. I can't think of anyone that's talked about doing something similar - maybe you'd have to trawl through the Colloquium archives? ;-) Also, thanks for the comment on Talk:Getting started with sound recording - having recently invested in a microphone and sound card, this is something that I am personally motivated to develop into a high quality resource. Watch these spaces! But just back to reading again - I'd like to start a culture of reviewing/analysing/summarising books for the benefit of others - should we start Topic:Reading perhaps? Cormaggio beep 11:07, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Mustangs
Hi Mirwin. Thanks for your comments on the Mustangs. I am in the middle of researching the possibilities -(more, the probabilities) concerning the trustworthiness or percentage credibility of my intimate conviction that many more Spanish horses got to first the Texas Plains, then the High Plains long before the commonly accepted date(s) of circa 1720;- i.e. a hunch that needs backing up by hard facts. I am handicapped by my lack of Spanish in this case as it (my hunch) is in need of documentation from the early 16th C. The Royal Marine Archives in Madrid would be the best bet, I suppose, given that SHIPWRECKS in the Gulf of Mexico are central to this pet theory of mine.. I'll keep you posted if this topic is of real interest to you. Regards, John Ruddy Username:Ruddyjohn.

got your IM
I got your Im, just been busy IRL--Rayc 06:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Requests
If you get a chance, could you please look over Introduction to Programming/Variables. So far, I am fairly unsatisfied with it. Introduction to Programming is supposed to be for folks completely new to programming. This means that they may not know stuff that experienced programmers take for granted and need to be gradually brought up to speed - but not in a boring way. Thanks! Dmclean 19:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

algebra class
Is the college algebra class active? I wanted to know how to get started in a class.

Thanks --Spawn50 02:11, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

topic:communication
hi mirwin. i saw lazyquasar edits on Topic:Communication, and since i'm working on a reboot for that page (it's plaind dead and forgotten), i'd like to see what you think of it. the reboot material is at Topic:CommunicationBeta. thanks in advance. capi talk 14:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

huh, i copied your "leave me a message" template. it just seems wonderful and useful. capi talk 14:31, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Private Wikimedia
Hi, I have found your idea of private Wikimedia group. Have you reached this idea?--Juan 19:37, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: logging in
see here please Erkan Yilmaz (evaluate me!, discussion ) 07:30, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you working with this IP ? Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 13:43, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

spam ellimination
I've been using 'mail2web.com' as a spam screen; it lets me keep the ones I really want. It isn't ideal but it works. Shir-El too 12:59, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikiversity growth
Hi. You wrote on Clio the Muse's talk page: "Can you share with me why you do not find this site of long term interest and thus will not be sticking around? I have been expecting explosive growth in the site community and I am at a loss why this is not occurring. Any insight you can provide regarding why you do not find Wikiversity of use or interest in the short or long term would be greatly appreciated!"

I have a guess about why there hasn't been explosive growth. It is not clear at all what Wikiversity attempts to be. Its purposes and means are way too vague for a newcomer. Everyone knows what an encyclopedia is (and what books are and what news are), everyone has seen an encyclopedia before. Despite people having minor disputes about it, there is a major common agreement concerning what an encyclopedia is about, so Wikipedia doesn't need to explain what it is to anyone: people assume they know already and start editing. They know what an article should look like when it's done. They know what is its goal and how it helps people, they know how it works and that it does work. Wikiversity is not like that. People just don't know what it's supposed to look like, what they can do to help, and how it is going to help them and other people.

I have made comments about this before on Cormaggio's talk page. I do believe this is keeping Wikiversity from growing and it needs to be addressed. When you say "there's an online encyclopedia whose articles everyone can edit", that's pretty much understood. When you say "there is a learning resource that anyone can edit", people don't have a clear picture of what you're saying. a.z. 02:42, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Class projects
"mirwin: I think this link  http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:Guidelines_for_class_projects#Starting_a_Class_Project belongs somewhere in our wikiversity orientation materials for instructors.  Anyone have any ideas?" <-- the page School and university projects needs work. --JWS 18:03, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Advertising your classes...
You asked, "Do you feel that exposure as featured content and link on the main page has attracted any traffic that resulted in student participation in your classes?"

Yes and no! It attracts students but it seems to attract the wrong students.

I am looking for students (12 to 16 years olds) who are already making their own motion pictures. Instead, I get people who are curious, try a half dozen lessons of a course and then go onto some other subject. They have no great interest in the subject I teach. Robert Elliott 12:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Reading club
Hi Mirwin,

Do you like to start a reading club with me? I was thinking about a social sciences related topic, but it can be something else as well if you are interested.--Daanschr 11:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Daanschr, sorry to take so long to respond to your invitation. I am not big on Social Sciences but if something were proposed related to social dynamics of small isolated groups I could participate at this time.  Mirwin 23:57, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

 * That is a topic, which relates to anthropology or sociology, i guess. Something in which i am not familiar with as well. But, that makes as equals. I will look in the databases of the libraries that i'm a member of, to see if they have something of this topic. I presume that you are referring to Wikiversity and the reading clubs as small isolated groups? In that case, we could read some marketing, networking and communication books as well.--Daanschr 09:43, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Daanschr, an update, I found an excellent prospect for a book for our reading project.  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Diamond_Age  I am going to look for proper places to add it into your reading club directory now.  Then I have to figure out how to purchase it.  I am still buoycotting Amazon.com over their silly one push button patent so I will probably stop by a local bookseller next week and order it.  Probably take a few weeks before I can start reading but I think it is important to help local merchants survive.  I live in an economically depressed rural area and we keeping losing our new and used bookstores.  Mirwin 01:06, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I will take a look at the book.
 * Interesting to hear about a backward rural area. I live in a country, which can be seen as one big city. But here the bookstores are also dissapearing. A famous Dutch biologist said that the Kalverstraat in Amsterdam used to have several bookstores in the 1960s. Nowadays these bookstores are all replaced by shops dedicaded to clothing and looks. Small shops are often replaced by major warehouses and the last ones are rapidly following eachother up. The streets in my city, Leiden used to have shops that had lasted for decades, even centuries. And now the average shop hold out for an average two years. I guess it has a lot to do with immigration. Dutch shopkeepers are replaced by many muslim immigrants, but also Greeks. And now we got the Polish invasion of immigrants, who will probably start shops of their own as well. Most homeless people are now Polish in Leiden.
 * Outside Holland their are also initiatives to keep local merchandise. Germany has many regional coins, which replaces the euro for payment, this to introduce a local autarkic economy of small farmers and local shopkeepers.Daanschr 09:54, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

 * The book seems very interesting. I have never heard of it. I would like to know more about the difference between victorian and confucian thinking. I know a lot about victorian thinking, but hardly anything on confucianism.--Daanschr 09:58, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I have the book from the library. Already started to read some pages in the train.--Daanschr 20:48, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I am reading Thucydides with Erkan Yilmaz. We try to structure our book reading by setting a date for discussing certain literature. Perhaps we could do the same. Since the book is a novel, i think it would be best to read the entire book first and discuss about it later. What do you think?

I have paid for the book and it is antipated by mail a week from this friday .. that would be ... today is tuesday 22Nov07 so plus wednesday,thursday,friday would be 25 and 7 for 32 December 07. Eureka! Holiday no delivery till Jan 2 earliest ... if that is on saturday ... mail will be running on monday so .... I expected arrival on the 4 Jan 2008 plus or minus a couple of days according to aggreement with local bookcycler (she is my supplier of used books as well and buyback profitable or remarketable used books). Same delay as for weekend so expected delivery is still Fourth Jan, 2008. I agree with you lets each enjoy the book in our own way entirely first and then we can discuss our thought regarding the author's efforts and how they impacted our previous understanding with the living universe all around us. So unless I hear back I figure we got an agreed approach in will I should be able to meet my committment to start reading by 4 Jan 2008 and I am usually quick reader when interested. Been long time since I have been in a book reading club ... in fact I think it was literature classes in College about two decades ago so I should have no longer generating motivation to get finished within two weeks. I intend to be done and substantially closed out with this book reading adventure by NLT Feb, 2008. Those are my mile stones that I intend to keep to myself. If you choose to set your some specific metrics I would be happy to hear about them and work together so we both accomplish all of our individual and mutual overlapping intentions to the extent feasible given unavoidable external influences. Thanks! Mirwin 23:47, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

 * I will set a time schedule for myself within the coming weeks and will contact you about it.--Daanschr 10:30, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

May be time to attempt a private wikimedia desktop again.
Wikimedia Admin install, maintain, etc. manual at Amazon.com for 30 to 40 bucks or use this site for free. www.mediawiki.org and www.wikimedia.org From looks of current market I can probably get half money spent back if experience is similar to last attempt. Better stress relief to actually burn the book page by page while thinking about the push pull glop feul stream I am attempting to improve to my own advantage at home. Currently we buy the packaging then give/throw it away free to Coos Country Dump where it is burned as feul to generate some power hopefully without excessive pollution relieved to air from flue gas or ground from ashes. I would like to burn some of that within the homestead (two flows one toxic ink one ok for ash distribution around the home grounds. Mirwin 02:57, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Checkout http://www.wikidot.com Mirwin 14:49, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

 * placeholder for pending homework queutag xhomework1 http:// 209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:MdU42903udkJ:www.gamasutra.com/features/gdcarchive/2000/baron.doc+online+game+services+heat&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us 68.238.142.251 01:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

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clicking this button helps project

critical step 000.omri.Mirwin 11:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC) == Please define the terms and conditions used in these statements. It is necessary to continue to make any progess. ==

critical step 001.omri.Mirwin 11:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC) == specify a scope (an area of applicabilitiy) for terms used by right clicking and dragging mouse over area where you think the definition applies or is correct. cut and paste into defined terms so those who follow can see your thinking and agree or disagree somehow. Mirwin 11:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

critical step 002.0mri.Mirwin 11:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC) ==Loop back into noise generator and cross refer and wire out of this place. my head hurts thinking about it sometimes. Seriously! Do not drive yourself crazy trying to make this noise generator perfect. We are building mutually evolving patterns of overlapping definitions. Every little bit helps. It takes a lot to initialize. Thanks for your assistance! Mirwin 11:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

critical step 003.0mri.Mirwin 11:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Thank yourself for your own efforts. Mirwin 11:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC) Ok omri Mirwin 11:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

--- This section cut and pasted from chunk critical step 002.0mri Mirwin 11:01, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Why not clean up this mess? simulated newcomer Mirwin 11:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
Why not clean up this mess? simulated newcomer Mirwin 11:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

 * We are trying to show that in every million clicks initiated by human consciousness there is a slight but measurable increase the chance of "bit rot" when compared to the same single bit flipped by a trusty side kick such as I hope mirbot at http://www.advogato.org will become soon so I can cross link his trust metric to mine and automated some stuff around here. Mirwin 11:11, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

I have now confused myself.
While attempting to play with the editor at same time as creating hopefully a source of noise, interested spectatators, button clicking partipants I ended up here instead of at the registration queure for Lunar Boom Town. Sorry for the confusion if you "wasted" a few minutes trying to help sort this mess out. Not too sorry if you are highly pissed you wasted a few hours wandering the link maze here before your system crashed and you got torqued enough to kick your dog. If this or some thing similar happens to you here stop and think a little bit about our task here. We are attempting to build a self repairing system. We manage the error rates so that our systems of systems are hopefully well fed, energised, and available for instructional service totally free of charge to anyone on the planet at most or many times in overlapping ven diagrams (interlocking closed universes cut in half). We know it can be frustrating because it has happend to us occasionally. The solution is usually to take a break and relax and do something useful, pleasing, etc. for someone else occasionally. Mirwin 11:22, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * If you reached here by mistake similar to that described above. For example: trying to create or click buttons in the semi automated registration process at Lunar Boom Town, then congratulations! You are registered as soon as you have registered an account with Wikiversity.org and added yourself to the list of particpants of Lunar Boom Town found click here or there >>> Lunar Boom Town participant list.

The Diamond Age
Hi Mirwin,

I don't know how long it will take the read the book. I'm a bit of a slow reader and the book is pretty thick. At the moment i am working on my first fulltime job and my leisure time is limited. I still have to get used to it. Also, i will find try to find a new job for january and i don't know how busy i will be with it. I could try to read it fast, or that we will discuss a part of the book. In my study, i was forced to read very fast and i still was able to grasp what it is about.

I like the book, though. It is funny. Stephenson is a good writer. It is a bit utopical about the future. But, i like the major theme of the difference between victorianism and confucianism. In which victorians strife to achieve a fullfilling life and confucianists strife to accept life, i guess. A highly religious and philosophical topic.--Daanschr 11:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

lunar surface
For planning a lunar landing mission a view from a telescope on earth (or even using the Hubble) would not be high enough resolution. For this purpose you would want to use imagary from an orbiting spacecraft. In particular you probably want something like the mineral moon if you are interested in planning mining. For instance, go to Lunar Prospector Data Maps and set the pull down menu to something like iron. Feel free to drop me a note if you'd like more information. BTW, there is one image that I uploaded of the moon. It was taken through the viewfinder (not the main telescope) using a comsumer grade handheld camera. I do have a few other self made images on my computer at work. --mikeu 01:51, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

 * It was a clear night tonight so I took a snapshot of Image:Copernicus (lunar crater).jpg --mikeu 04:15, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

 * "I am interested in using some of your astronomical images..." <-- What software do you use for image processing?  You would get the best quality if I sent you the raw images instead of jpg.  The cameras I use save files in a unique astronomy format called Flexible Image Transport System.  Fortunately, there are plugins to read these files for common programs like IrfanView or the FITS Liberator plugin for PhotosShop.  --mikeu 18:41, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

 * A few more images are uploaded to Category:Moon Images. These are thumbnail size (stills from a video camera.)  BTW, gimp supports the FITS astronomy image format  if you want to play around with the raw image files.  --mikeu 20:28, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

thanks for the barnstar
"tireless thinking, discussion, experimentation..." <-- Back in the early 90s I was frustrated with the limitations of internet forum/discussion software and wished for a way to make it easy for groups of people to easily edit a website. I was involved with some non-wiki collaborative projects such as Zeal, but got disillusioned by the fact that they were all trying to use the contributions of volunteers in an effort to make a profit for the owners. When I found Wikipedia I was initially worried that Jimbo would sell out to the highest bidder. When he created the Wikimedia Foundation it became clear that Wikimedia was different, so I got serious about participating in the Wikimedia community. It did not take too long before I was frustrated with the limitations of the Wikipedia model and I soon found myself exploring Wikibooks and Wikiversity. As things shook out, Wikiversity became an opportunity to move beyond some of the limitations that exist within Wikipedia, so I have been mostly editing pages related to Wikiversity for the past two years. It is a whole lot of fun getting the chance to explore the possibilities of a technology I could only dream about 15 years ago. --JWSchmidt 16:09, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia project
No problem mentioning my name at wikipedia. BTW, did you notice User:HappyCamper here? I thought it would be a good idea to post something at the wikiproject now for when the next semester starts. Also, good work on the refs for the Wikiversity article!--mikeu 16:59, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Take a look at Special:Contributions/HappyCamper --mikeu 19:25, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip
Thanks for cluing me in to Wikiversity. I see that it would indeed resolve some difficulties with our recent project. I will certainly use it in the future. Mc2000 22:29, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

End of the The Diamond Age
Hi Mirwin,

Wow, you are quick! I don't have that feeling of magic what i can have with other books. It just doesn't thrill me. That is why i only read a small part of it untill now.

I dissagree with the kind of society that Stephenson portrays. It isn't realistic. Take Bud for instance. He robs a person in a world of billions of people and then the Ashantis gather from all over the world to hunt him. But there are many other parts which i didn't liked. I know there are fantasy or sci fi writers who are much better in presenting a good story.

Since we are both not impressed with this book, i think it is better to skip it. Though, it is fun to bash a book together.

Maybe you like to discuss another book and that i will present a title this time? A few months ago i read a highly controversial book, The Elementary Particles by the French writer Michel Houellebecq. To say upfront, i dissagree with Houellebecq but at the same time he also makes some remarks which are to the point about our society at the moment. We could also discuss complete fantasy, like a book of George R. R. Martin which i enjoyed. Or perhaps a non-fiction book. At the moment Geert Mak's In Europe is being broadcasted on the Dutch television. It is about Europe in the 20th century. He interviews people who were there at the times that something bigs happenend. For instance he interviews the grandson of Gavrilo Princip and the grandson of Franz Ferdinand, who was murdered by Princip in 1914, which was the beginning of the First World War.--Daanschr 09:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I read some of the books of Houellebecq and Martin. I didn't read Mak yet.--Daanschr 09:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Here are some links:
 * The Elementary Particles by Michel Houellebecq
 * A Song of Ice and Fire by George Martin
 * Geert Mak
 * --Daanschr 09:37, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I just read the article on Geert Mak on Wikipedia. I don't think the book is half as impressive as the television serie. The book is some kind of travel book. On television there are interviews with many people from all over Europe which gives a very blunt view of what happened. It is very popular in Holland nearly a million viewers, which is 1 in every 20 Dutch people. Some of the highest scores for a television program and it is a documentary, so that makes it the more impressive.--Daanschr 09:46, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Future of our little reading group
Hi Mirwin,

Another plan: trying to do some growth management. The initial idea behind reading groups was to help make Wikiversity a succes. At the moment there are three people who have solitarily started a reading group, namely Cormac, John and Brent. There are two active groups, me and you and me, Erkan and Anne. Some growth management could be to ask Cormac, John and Brent wether they have an idea what to do as a group. Another would be to ask Hillgentleman and S.B. Johnny to join. Hillgentleman seems to be enthusiastic about the reading groups and S.B. Johnny wants to do some growth management. Allthough the reading groups seem to be only indirectly linked to growth management, it still has to do with the heart of the idea behind the reading groups, to somehow get more attention for Wikiversity. What do you think? (We can skip my book suggestions).--Daanschr 20:07, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I will leave a message on the Topic:Reading groups article on the meeting this weekend. We don't necessarily have to discuss Thucydides. Instead we can also discuss the reading groups in general and focus on growth management, so you can be able to start a lunar town reading group with new participants in the future. If we focus on ancient Greece, than we will probably only get people interested in ancient Greece.--Daanschr 09:23, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Message
Hi Mirwin - did I get a message from you on Wikipedia? I'm a little confused! --HappyCamper 20:44, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So, the idea is to make Wikiversity more transparent to academics? --HappyCamper 21:29, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

lost content
I saw this. The Modeling and Animation Clips using Art of Illusion page was a redirect to A Hands-On Introduction to Game Design and Production Processes. I see no evidence that the deleted page ever used Image:LunarRoverTestShot2.jpg. --JWSchmidt 00:56, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Materials related equations
Dear Mirwin,

I'v been contributing equations to a section about Materials Science with the IP address 74.132.44.120. Choice of content has come in part from books and extra information copied from wikipedia articles. A hope is to contribute to wikiversity during the process of preparing before an upcoming graduate qualifying exam. I'm a Baha'i and believe that "supreme happiness is man’s...if he urges on the steed of high endeavor in the arena of civilization and justice." ('Abdu'l-Baha)

A link to a web log that I created about science and religion is copied below.

http://www.onethread.org/arise/

Do you believe it would be helpful if I sent the titles of a few materials science related textbooks?

Well wishes and I appreciate the welcome,

David Dgray 08:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mirwin,

Collaborating in reorganizing the material seems great, and it does seem that discussing an approach in February would likely be most appropriate.

Dgray 03:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Meeting next sunday
Hi Mike,

I will be moving to a new home on sunday and will not have internet yet. I will not be able to be around on sunday evening and i don't know when i will be available again. You will have to continue the reading groups with Erkan and Sunny for the moment being.--Daanschr 17:16, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Lunarpedia Query
Where would the local wiki admins prefer that an article on Wikiversity's Lunar Boom Town project be placed or categorized? We would like to grow into a heterogenous community of learners, planners, engineers, entrepreneurs, etc. required to get some pioneering venture teams rolling. Wikiversity user:mirwin

 * We don't have much in the way of firm article naming conventions. Please just use your best judgement (or even guess).  If a far better name is figured out later the article can be moved easily to that name.  Categorization depends on what you're putting into the article.  If it's simply describing the project at Wikiversity it probably belongs in Category:Internet Resources; if you're making an extension of the Wikiversity project or something else heavy in content, then there's likely more than one place it could be placed and I'm not thinking of the best one off of the top of my head.  It may even be best to create a new category if it's sufficiently different from things we already have -- or most especially if it spreads to more than just one article.  When in doubt, leave it blank and someone else will figure it out.

 * We're quite permissive about stub content -- as much as Wikipedia used to be but isn't anymore. Please feel free to put an unfinished or even highly sketchy page on Lunarpedia. Just try to make sure it won't be confused for being part of yet another botnet attack. 8)

 * --Strangelv (Lunarpedia) 71.96.218.8 07:24, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

Good work on this project. It looks like content on wikiversity is GPL, same as wikipedia. So you could import it here using the same namespace mechanism as importing a WP article. I would recommend linking it to one or more or all of the following categories: Cfrjlr 15:35, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * [Category:Settlement]]
 * [Category:Locations]]
 * [Category:Business]]
 * [Category:Architecture]]
 * [Category:Planning]]

LBT in video
Take a look at the video linked to from Stanford Open Source Lab, LBT shown as an example about 25 minutes into the video. --JWSchmidt 04:49, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

robots.wikia.com, relevance to Wikiversity?
Hi Mirwin, Erkan thought you might be interested in my project, and that I might be interested in what you're doing, and in Wikiversity (English and German) in general. My project is robots.wikia.com, I'm trying to attract contributors there and elsewhere, feel free to have a look. - Dan Dank55 20:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

CisLunarFreighter commitment
I don't think I can participate right away. Things I need to work on first are assignments in my computer science class. Then after that I guess I can help work on it. So I'm interested in helping just don't expect my work immediately. --Devourer09 22:55, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

New meeting for discussing the future of the reading groups
Hi Mike,

Shall we meet next weekend on saturday evening 19:00 hour CET? I just added new ideas on the Portal:Reading groups/Organization Brainstorming IRC Session 30 Dec 2007 18:00 CET draft agenda. The agenda for the next meeting is a bit of a mess.

I will be online again on wednesday. Untill than i have limited or no access.--Daanschr 14:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Re your message on my talk page
Hi Mirwin,

Sorry for the late response. Regarding your note on my talk page -- a blog post about the sandbox server open for hackers -- to be honest I don't think software development will play a big role in the shaping of the sandbox server. It's there to provide very simple technical infrastructure to aid in learning projects.

For people learning technical courses, web design students have the file hosting and the server isn't setup to be a compile farm yet. I'm looking into providing free web hosting with PHP/MySQL etc., but I think you'll find most hackers would prefer to run their own infrastructure or at least manage it themselves.

The only real technical things happening are some MediaWiki extensions, and I've delegated that issue to darkcode who would be in a better position to handle people wishing to contribute.

Hope this answers your question -- if not, please email me at draicone at gmail dot come and I'd be happy to discuss it. (I don't check my user talk page often, as you might have guessed!)

Draicone (talk) 10:00, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

clocks
Whenever I do the --km 22:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC), <— the time comes up different than what I see on my computer. I notice that it always comes out as (UTC) but I live in (EST). No matter what I do to fix it, I can't. (even on preferences). What should I do? --km 22:49, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

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User:JWSchmidt/Blog/1 March 2008

View from the real world I've been on wikibreak and feeling cut-off from Wikiversity. I'll miss not being able to have any more chats with Mike Irwin. I sometimes wondered if he would sometimes do what I sometimes do....argue a position just to explore a topic.....and show up the next time ready to adopt the other side of the argument...just to continue the exploration. I generally do not like to fret over the details of Foundation policies and personalities, but somehow discussions with Mike made such topics interesting and meaningful for me. Even more fun was exploring matters such as how to survive in an environment such as the Lunar surface.....are the atomic constituents of life available? He had vast pools of experience and lore that I could explore at a gentle pace...now I regret my assumption that we would have years to continue those explorations. Regrets? The last time we "spoke" I was pushing the idea that maybe space is better suited for artificial life than for biological organisms. I got the feeling that Mike did not like to think along those lines, but maybe we are forced to do so by the weaknesses and limitations of our bodies. In the end, our bodies fail us. Maybe the dream of migrating to the stars is our best motivation to take control of our biological natures or even move beyond them....can we ever learn how to instantiate human-like minds in new substrates that will make them more enduring? I am old...increasingly I am defined by the minds that have been lost to me. It is a great sadness. --JWSchmidt 00:31, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

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Open access

Open access is the publication of material in such a way that it is available to all potential users without financial or other barriers. Introductory reading: Open Access Overview (Peter Suber)

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Wikiversity talk:Being educational

Some suggestions
I agree with Historybuff on the Colloquium that we shouldn't delete pages too quickly. Instead, i propose to notify developed courses, learning resources and other activities on the Main Page and to make a portal for these.

I also like to introduce a special category called 'academic level'. An academic level is reached when someone has a phd or is trying to get one and is writing on Wikiversity in his field of knowledge. This would imply that Cormacs texts on learning are of an academic level. I think we should be strict on credentials and have some solid prove that people who pose as an academic actually are an academic.

After all pages have been examined, a department can be founded which will help and stimulate users to create texts which are developed.

I also like to add a category on group activity. In order to establish learning communities, it would be good to show the group activity. People who are interested in group activities probably want someone will respond to a text within two months, preferably even within a day or a week.--Daanschr 10:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I think McCormack's response (about tagging and 'DPLing') covered most of what I'd say to this. Tagging is a useful way of allowing people to see how something can be used and also what other people think of it as a resource. For example, something could be tagged as 'academic' (meaning 'potentially useful in an academic context'); and in the same way material can be tagged 'biased' (just like on Wikipedia), so that people can be made that bit more aware of a debate around the validity of its information (and of course, be able to think for themselves, and to contest the claim of bias). I agree with McCormack that a massive tagging campaign is needed - and count me in - as one of Wikiversity's major flaws so far, IMO, is that it doesn't make clear what audience/needs specific pages are written for. However, I disagree with limiting an academic tag to content by people who have or are studying for a PhD - this strikes me as both completely unrealistic to enforce, and not necessarily useful, since "academic" is a pretty general term anyway. IMO, the more specific we can be the better - if we can have a collection of materials that are tagged with the depth of, for example, 'potentially useful for an undergraduate course in electronic engineering, utilising video and text, and requiring both individual and collaborative work' - I'd be a happy man. ;-) And on group activity - "Dynamic page lists" are a possible tool - we have Help:Dynamic page list, but I suspect you'd be better off looking at their use in the Bloom Clock or Wikimedian Demographics. Cormaggio talk 17:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

 * A tag for material at a academic level is something for the future if it is ever enforced. It is not something i want to implement at the moment. And the future could give new surprising developments we can't see yet. So, for the moment, i would like to tag material with the same categorization as proposed by you and McCormack (i suppose).Daanschr 19:30, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I will look at this page that McCormack created in order to determine if everything is okay for me. Afterwards i would like to get started in the evaulation of pages.Daanschr 19:34, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Why not tag something as potentially of use in an academic context (preferably a specific one) right now - as part of an evaluation project? Or, perhaps you mean academic as somehow indicating "quality"? Cormaggio talk 21:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I'd also just like to voice my objection to any kind of tag that designates whether an author or text has some kind of traditional accreditation from a university; if an individual wants to state his/her external credentials on their user page then so be it, but applying this to potentially collaboratively authored content or a learning project makes no sense. I also think that Wikiversity could be a place where these sorts of hierarchies are somewhat purposefully vague and eroded around the edges a bit so that learners may also become teachers, or experts outside of the traditional accreditation systems can feel welcomed in an environment where the power structures and vectors of control that have solidified in the bricks'n'mortar institutions of learning are not reproduced. Over time we may require some means to start 'tagging' for quality resources -- most wikis do turn to the question of quality after their bursts of content have been acquired, but I'm not sure we're there yet. Countrymike 23:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

 * The special interest at the moment to introduce categorization, seems to be that new users can quickly know which learning materials and courses are finished. That way they will not be dissapointed by what we promise.

 * An appeal to an academic level of expertise can be usefull when we regard Wikiversity as a means to learn to know facts. If Wikiversity simply is a way of life, than facts are less important and academic expertise will be of less relevance. I know that many aspects of the academic world don't live up to the ideal of learning who the world works, but there are certain disciplines of which i have a high regard, like physics.
 * Also, i like to have a special part of Wikiversity where a deeper level of understanding of knowledge is appreciated. A deeper level of understanding is acquired when multiple books are being studied. It would be great if we could ever have the people who actually write these books, and thereby shape our world.--Daanschr 11:16, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Daanschr: I'm not sure what exactly it is we're "promising" but I see where you're coming from in having way to designate some resources as reaching a particular level of completedness. In a way this is what Featured Project is kind of doing so perhaps, as an interim until we develop some kind of rating system similar to the Wikibooks completion thingy, we could at least categorize projects that have appeared as Featured Projects. Countrymike 23:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

 * With promise, i mean that we have links that can interest people. When they click on these link, they find nothing. So, we can have featured contents, and we need a very clear to see warning on several pages that non-featured resources are can be nearly empty and pointless.--Daanschr 08:12, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Some comments about academic titles
Some of the younger people (i.e. those with less experience of the politics and egos of academia) might be tempted to request tagging of contributors and their contributions by academic title.
 * Bringing titles into WV would necessarily import real-world pecking orders with it, and ultimately the sometimes quite disgusting world of academic politics and egos. There are some great pages on WP which describe the ego-battles of PhD-contributors against each other: "I've got a PhD in the subject - I'm an expert and I know better than you" - "Well so have I and mine's from a better university than yours". It's really happened, and will happen - a lot.
 * One of the things that is special about Wikimedia projects is the option it offers to the great and famous to be anonymous. There are many reasons why they might choose to go along this path. One is that great academics might be worried about their reputation if known to be involved with Wikimedia, so they get involved under a pseudonym. But there are many other reasons too. Of course, a pseudonym requires abandonment of title if checks are done, which means that the "great academic" then has to let smaller fish dance all over them.
 * The frequency of academic title fraud is high. Even real world universities get fooled. WV would be easy pickings.
 * A PhD isn't exactly worth much anyway when it comes to teaching quality. If you look at the career path of an academic - say 3 to 5 years for the PhD, mostly spent researching rather than teaching, and then perhaps 30 years teaching and researching - it should be clear that the real educators among academics are a long way past their PhD - but they don't get any extra "titles" for it. And by the way, the standard of educational methodology isn't generally that high in post-secondary education. A "lower" qualification as a school-teacher might be more valuable to WV, not that I'm in favour of drawing attention to these either.
 * While it's true that edit-countitis is sometimes frowned upon, one should bear in mind that it is nevertheless the best way of judging a contributor. Actions and edits count, not status.
 * --McCormack 13:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I have heard some about egos of academics. I studied at a university myself. I also was victim of a strange event in this regard during my graduation last year. Even though, you have convinced me with your arguments. You are right that i am young, still i don't like the way you handle my age when you try to think of a cause for my actions. There are more respectfull ways of adressing a person.
 * A convincing argument is that academics have to think of their carreer and therefore have an unhealthy urge to defend their viewpoints. In the academic world, the normal way to handle this is to be very critical with what so-called (academic) experts argue.
 * Still, what i do like of the academic world is the level of knowledge on the world. How can we be able to get the quality of knowledge which is normal in many (not all) academic institutions? How is it possible to advance facts?--Daanschr 15:08, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Sorry about the age thing, Daan. Actually, I didn't mean it negatively at all. Young = enthusiastic, healthy, lots of time to devote to wiki projects, etc! One of the amazing things about the Wikimedia world is that it allows people to contribute regardless of status-based things, and age is just as much a status matter as title. Both are bad things for evaluating the worth of a contributor. Actions and edits count, not status. --McCormack 15:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that is right. I was a bit too pointy about age. I hope Wikiversity can be as humane as Wikipedia is. I don't know how Wikiversity will develop.--Daanschr 16:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

A way to support quality can be that people read books and discuss them. Books are a medium which give the most detailed and deepest understanding of a certain topic. A problem arises when academics who write these books come to interphere, but that is something for the future. If there is no appeal to quality, than Wikiversity will be hardly about learning.--Daanschr 16:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

the wiki way?
Back when Wikipedia started there were plenty of people who thought the path to success was to replicate online what happens during the creation of a traditional print encyclopedia. That kind of thinking was wrong and it mostly died with Nupedia. Thousands of people went ahead and invented and discovered new unconventional ways of contributing to Wikipedia....and, of course, many people contribute in rather conventional ways, too. I think diversity is the key to wiki success.....being welcoming to everyone who contributes. The current version of Learning resources strikes me as biased towards conventional thinking about learning resources and how to use a wiki to develop online learning resources....it seems like the equivalent of some early essays at Wikipedia proclaiming that the structured Nupedia approach was the only way to make an online encyclopedia. If your vision of Wikiversity does not extend beyond the current version of Learning resources, that is fine, but you do not turn your limited vision of the wiki way into an excuse to limit the diversity of Wikiversity and its participants. I hope Wikiversity can remain a welcoming place where participants feel free to experiment with new ways to use wiki technology to support online learning. Please do not try to destroy such experiments when they do not meet your vision of a "correctly" structured learning resource. Template:Unencyclopedic suggests that if a Wikiversity learning resource does not conform to the limited vision of Learning resources then a proper course of action is to delete it. I was shocked to find this template and this argument for deletion plastered on Darwinism as religion as part of a religiously-motivated objection to the content of that learning resource. Let's not start using an essay about conventionally-structured learning resources as an excuse to suggest deletion the less structured resources and experiments that exist at Wikiversity. --JWSchmidt 01:22, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

 * Just a note. I'm not sure if anyone is reading this more than a year later but regardless allow me to agree with the suggestion of allowing for an experimental element to Wikiversity. On the other hand I also simply want to see standard course structures, the kind that am used to, but with the added incredible volume of information found at Wikipedia. I'd be ideal to be able to find both kinds of resources, therefore it'd be ideal to present both. It'd be good to provide a guide to would be instructors on how to implement any new experimental vision and perhaps some theory behind it.Mbrad 04:22, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Please re-read the article and assume good faith
Thank you for your long contribution, JWS. You may have missed the sentences in the introductory part of the resource which place it in context. Nobody ever wrote this resource as a claim to an exclusive definition of resources on an educational wiki. However yes, the article is a revolution against an out-dated and damaging kind of thinking at Wikiversity which doggedly refuses to give anyone any idea of how to even begin to make something educational (note the word "begin"). Many visitors to WV, including the one quoted at the beginning, feel betrayed by the lack of educational vision and the toilet-like quality of some resources at WV. While it is true that some very ambitious and advanced concepts of education have been put forward by other users, until this resource was created, nobody had ever catered for the vast majority of "educational beginners". You cannot both embrace pluralism and attack other approaches at the same time - are you sure you are not yourself biased towards a particular vision and attempting to impose an exclusivity? To me, it is you who wishes to limit our diversity as well as our quality. If you wish to keep your vision of an educational resource, then create a "resource type" for it, alongside all the many other types which real everyday Wikiversity users have in fact been using ever since the project was started. Wikiversity is moving fowards, JWS, and negativity is not what we need. --McCormack 05:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

A side-note on JWS's "shock" at the template. For others reading this exchange of opinions, a new visitor was so shocked at a resource which JWS had created that they tagged it as "uncyclopedic" and left a very critical comment. JWS feels that the user should have been prevented from pursuing this course by a refusal of Wikiversity to even supply an "uncyclopedic" tag. My line on this is that we should allow users to pursue justified criticism, including the use of such tags to draw attention to important criticisms. We should be encouraging the quality improvement of resources through discussion, rather than hindering of discussion by denying technical resources such as tags which prominently invite debate. --McCormack 05:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

A further note on whether or not this concept of learning excludes the Schmidt-approach
When writing this article, I was setting out both to be as all-embracing and pluralistic as possible, and at the same time to really create a concrete structured vision. It was a difficult act, but I think both goals were achieved to a pretty high degree. Specifically, I also set out to try to understand and embrace the Schmidt-approach, although he was no longer an active Wikiversity contributor at the time. The Schmidt-approach is reflected at a large number of points in the article. Of the ten points extracted for summary at the end, the points about involving learners and immediacy of a learning situation are perhaps those which would permit (quality) Schmidt-resource-types to be identified as learning resources. The Schmidt-principle of experimentation is not included here because this was not an article about experimentation, but elsewhere I have clearly stated that I embrace both experimental and conventional approaches, and at the same time I see a desperate need to assist editors with creating resources of both kinds. I cannot do everything myself, so I will concentrate on introductions to more conventional approaches. Most people who contribute to Wikiversity are in fact trying to use conventional approaches, and if we excluded conventionalism, then we'd have to delete most of Wikiversity. One thing I think we can say about experimental approaches is that "experimental" approaches do not include just "anything and everything, however low the quality might be". A piece of string ground into the dirt does not have educational value and Wikiversity is not a refuse dump for Wikipedia. We should not use the excuse "it's not trash, it's an experiment". Quality experimental approaches, on the contrary, should be tagged and categorised, and drawn together in a Wikiversity equivalent of a Department of Mysteries, where experimental wiki educationalists can better find and discuss them. --McCormack 06:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Self-criticism
Re-reading this again, some time later, the thing I dislike most about what I wrote is that the introductory sections have an excessively complex style. They say what needs to be said, but they say it in a complicated way. I don't want to delete them at the current time - but they do need some careful rewriting. --McCormack 16:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments on above discussion
I apologise for delaying in responding to this discussion - but I offer these thoughts for now.
 * Firstly, I think it's fine - and necessary - to give some clarity and guidance on identifying and evaluating types of learning resources - as this page sets out to do. Furthermore, I think it's possible to give this guidance as a means of critiquing a resource, as opposed to proscribing what a resource should be. This page clearly addresses the former - though it still clearly needs work (eg. in outlining easily understood examples, backed up with pedagogical or other pages if necessary).
 * This page does go slightly further, however; intending to provide some means for determining that a resource is outside of the scope of Wikiversity (eg. would be more appropriate for Wikipedia), and so it does also bend towards proscription. There is therefore a kind of tension between offering a means of critique, and offering, effectively, a criteria for deletion. I would say this tension would be made more workable by giving as much detail as possible about defining and describing resources (how something could provoke learning; how a learning activity could be built around the given resource). It might also be addressed by having another page do this 'scope-based' function - say, Criteria for inclusion, and have this page as simply describing, rather than proscribing.
 * Wikiversity has always had a tension between conventional and novel approaches to education - and it has clearly been set up to do both. I don't think there is an actual disagreement here (above); I simply think this page is temporarily biased, and that it should also deal with resources or activities that are more experimental or experiential in form. McCormack has said he is focusing his energies on more conventional models for now - and that is completely fine. But I do think there needs to be more detail on more experimental models - on which, incidentally, I'd like to have more focused discussion and activity! I'm very interested in continuing this discussion - perhaps on Wikiversity learning model/Discussion group, or elsewhere. McCormack's scepticism towards a 'free for all' attitude to learning resources is palpable, and understandable - how can this be addressed?
 * I also think it's fine to question materials and their models. Do they help in understanding something, and how? Do they do what they say they will (or do they make this explicit at all)? How could they be improved? All of this is to the good. However, I think we should think about how to give this kind of 'feedback' on resources - comments on talk pages are always worthwhile, but, as I've said on Template talk:Unencyclopedic, tagging with certain types of templates can actually be unproductive, and I'd like to discuss ways of giving constructive criticism than a template that says "useless", "uneducational" or similar. (How about reviving Feedback, or creating something like Tagging resources?) I also think JWSchmidt's concern for deleting less structured resources is well-grounded - but, if we accept that questioning resources is 'fair game', this does raise questions like: how can we evaluate whether our experiments are working? How long is a reasonable time to determine whether something is working? How can we improve on experimental resources that don't seem to be working? I don't know what a "Department of Mysteries" is, but I definitely like the idea of having a focused space/community for discussing Wikiversity's more experimental resources/models. I've been trying to initiate this at places like Wikiversity learning model/Discussion group and Building successful learning communities on Wikiversity - these pages are obviously open to editing, but I'm open to new ideas... Cormaggio talk 10:48, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Proscription versus description
Thanks for your comments, Cormaggio. I keep on coming back to this article and re-reading it to see if I can change it. I usually come away not doing so. Normally I stick to fairly descriptive work with Wikiversity - I don't often venture into prescriptivism. However in this article, I was reacting to user:danthemango's stinging and well-justified comment on the "miserable failure" of Wikiversity to take simple organisational steps to raise the quality of its resources to something acceptable (I think he was talking about the internal or didactic presentation of learning resources). The page isn't about "defining" resources so much as "recognising" them. The difference is that definitions are less pragmatic than recognition criteria. Recognition is something of a halfway house between proscribing and merely describing. Recognition is practical. It is also solution-orientated - i.e. answering the question "what does an author have to do in order to create a resource which escapes user:danthemango's criticism". I think it is difficult to respond to stinging and well-justified criticism of Wikiversity without starting to proscribe or say what we "should" be doing. I think this is why I keep coming away from this page without having changed anything. --McCormack 08:39, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Examples
I'd like to coordinate this page with the above-linked page, which I created in an attempt to document different types of learning resources/activities in Wikiversity, and which could be used to show the various things that exist here, so that people could get a better sense of how to contribute. I'm just reviving it now - help would be appreciated. Cormaggio talk 13:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Whoops - I missed that page. To some extent, Help:resource types and featured extend the work you started there. --McCormack 08:24, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Better title?
While I appreciate the good faith action, how is being educational a better title? Thank you. Emesee 05:23, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi. Thanks for the feedback. I thought about this for a long time. The old title was "Learning resources" (observe casing), which was bad for two reasons. Firstly there were casing/number conflicts with other pages. Secondly, the page had ended up not being on the topic of learning resources, but on the topic of "how to recognize educational value in learning resources". I started off by thinking about making a long mouthful of a title (e.g. like Cormac's "developing Wikiversity through action research"), but I don't like these very long titles - it makes the pages difficult to link to. So I tried to think of something short. I agree I'm not a great fan of "being educational" either, but it was the best I could think of. Do you have some alternatives suggestions? --McCormack 06:33, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Alternative suggestions

 * "How to recognize educational value in learning resources"
 * "Recognizing the educational value in learning resources"
 * "Recognizing educational content"
 * "Recognizing educational value"

That all seems reasonable to me. While you seem to be much more familiar with the intention of this page than myself, perhaps "Recognizing the educational value in learning resources" may give more context. Might in some cases though, a little less context ever be desirable, initially? As part of the way the information is presented, might you give a little context to begin with for a purpose? Maybe even just for your mentioned convenience. : ) Emesee 07:00, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So are you sure you don't have any 2-word or 3-word suggestions? --McCormack 08:14, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome
Hello Jenadina, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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TI-BASIC

TI basic is the programming available on TI graphing calculators (excluding TI-85 and 86) that resembles BASIC programming. The language is very simple and requires no prior knowledge of programming, which makes it ideal as an introduction to the programming world. This course is quick and designed for people that never programmed, and starts programming. A slower linear course easier for programmers is available at the sister of this course.

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TI-BASIC/Begin

This course does not require any programming experience whatsoever, but it is a nice plus if you have any. To begin learning TI-BASIC, the only requirement is a recent Texas Instuments graphing calculator like the TI-84. The best way to learn TI-BASIC is to use it in real life, so press the program button (3 rows above the number buttons) which opens a menu of programs. Press right, which changes the top row where EDIT is highlighted instead of EXEC, indicating these are the programs that are editable. Press right one more time to highlight NEW to indicate you wish create a new program. Press enter. Now type in the name of the program you wish to create, for example "test", by pushing 2ND, then ALPHA and typing the word with the letters seen above the buttons.

Hello World
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 * After the animatic?
 * Now you know the timing for the filming of the scene. Now you can begin production (live action or animation.)

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Why an animatic?

 * The animatic is a proof of concept!
 * Look at the completed animatic.
 * Will this movie when filmed be a success? I think you can decide very easily.

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'''This is an archive - please leave new messages on my "live" talk page! Cormaggio talk 17:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)'''

communication forsaken
is it my impression or is the communication division left behind. there seems to be no one else working on it but me. what should i do? give up on it, gather people from WP? any suggestion? capi talk 19:01, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Mobile editing coming soon
Hi Cormaggio, McCormack, and Lrbabe... After a break, I'm doing another burst of work on the mobile phone software. The main new feature in 0.9.4 will be the ability to add new questions to a quiz and upload them back to Wikiversity... watch this space! --Joe Gittings 19:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Maths
I put this on my talk page (still trying to figure out how to converse thru talkDouglas R. White 16:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)) and in response to your mention of maths needed the maths (in my sandbox) for our InterSci/wiki (complexity sciences community and its Paris summer school lectures) and was practicing here then had my tech install maths fonts to our wiki, so I won't be usings maths much here from now one. Have been focusing energy there for the last month with our summer school running.

custodianship of Darklama
Please visit Candidates for Custodianship/Darklama. --JWSchmidt 13:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sebmol got it. --JWSchmidt 13:34, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

namespace suggestion
Hey there, I have made a suggestion on wiki 101 regarding namespaces and would really appreciate your feedback. Cheers AlistairReece 14:53, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

French wikiversity
OK, it's great to you, unfortunatly Ihaven't time to prepare the lesson for the oment Vivelefrat 19:41, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Please change my name
Changing_username. --Edmund the King of the Woods! 14:51, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Various
1. Taking the invitation to "be bold" seriously, I began copyediting. How do I tag an article as 'edited' or 'stub'? 2. The Portal has outdated notices on the BB: so what's the use of having it? 3. I applied to you because of your senority in the Welcome Committee: apologies for any newcomer gaffs. NB Help and Tour for beginners should have more than one level - basic, intermediate, advanced - to make it truely accessible for everyone. Both provide too much and too little information to be really helpful. Thank you. --Shir-El too 19:54, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for replying so fast! I needed that, really!
I'm like the kid let loose in the candy store, who wants to sample everything but doesn't have time to read all the descriptions. WV is overwhelming in conception and scope!

1. Thanks for 'stub' and 'history'; they will be put to semi-immediate use.

2. I don't know enough about what's going on to update community notices, and I don't speed read; the best I can do is spot some discrepancies.

3. The first version of this letter got lost in pasting to your talk page (my inexperience), but it lead to an insight. According to one of the chat pages the bulk of 'wikians' are white, male, forty-something, degreed computer-nerds. I am none of these things. At first I was going to suggest a Windows '95/'97 type tutorial for beginners, where the user is taken step by step through demonstrations and exercises ; i.e. a controlled environment, a beginners' wading pool until they could jump into the deep end. THEN the underlying difference hit me: 'wikians' by and large have prior experience in programming whereas the average user (me) is accustomed to working with limited, pre-programed options. In other words I'm intimidated by the wealth of options, and that despite a good command of English and being computer friendly!

Both provide too much and too little information to be really helpful" Thanks - do you have specific ideas for how it could be improved... Yes: create a visual 'map of the campus' introduction. Mark “Home page” in the center of a large circle with “You are here” underneath it. Then group various options around the circle: Community, Tools, Communications, Resources, Mission Statement. Each time an option is pushed it becomes the name of the next circle with 'you are here' under that. I can't be more specific because I still don't know/understand what does what to whom with which. Its the best I can do.

4. I know its much easier to de-struct than con-struct, so I'll try not to comment so much. Meanwhile, may I contact you if I find myself really up a tree?

Thank you again, Shir-El too 00:14, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

 * It looks like I'm going to be doing a lot of 'thanking' in the near future. For the third time: Thank you. :-)

User:God
Hi Cormaggio. What's the procedure for user:God? Is it a bureaucrat thing where the account name needs changing? Thanks! McCormack 04:14, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Correction and help request

 * In the statement "I am none of these" I uncosciously forgot that I am white-skinned; somehow, I don't 'see' colour except as a cultural "tag". Example: I was talking to a Philippino I've worked with closely for 3 years when I asked him if he'd been to the beach, he looked tan. He laughed - I had never seen his skin colour!

Forget the cry for Help: I FIGURED IT OUT!!! Wheee! Shir-El too 08:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Ad hoc medical advice on Wikiversity
You may be interested in a debate on the wikipedia reference desks - W:Wikipedia talk:Reference desk - in which it appears that a user is directing reference desk questioners who have asked for medical opinions, to the Wikiversity help desk, where an ad hoc answer is given. W:Wikipedia talk:Reference desk is also worth a read.

You may wish to consider whether Wikiversity should put in place policy relating to the answering of legal and medical opinion questions, as has Wikipedia. (e.g. # Do not request regulated professional advice. If you want to ask advice that "offline" would only be given by a member of a licensed and regulated profession (medical, legal, veterinary, etc.), do not ask it here. See Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer and/or Wikipedia:Legal disclaimer. Ask a doctor, dentist, veterinarian or lawyer.) --Tagishsimon 23:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Dionysios is in the Process of Composing a Comment for McCormack Re: Deletion Request Templates & Consensus.
Greetings Cormaggio! Your servant is in the process of Composing a Comment for McCormack re: Deletion Request Templates & Wikiversity Consensus. He will send you a copy. Best regards, -- Dionysios  (talk), Date: 2007-09-12 (September 12, 2007) Time:  1737 UTC

10-4 -- D  (talk), Date: 2007-09-12 (September 12, 2007) Time:  1751 UTC

This can be deleted ?
What do you say ? Erkan Yilmaz ( evaluate me!, discussion ) 16:31, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Moved below. Cormaggio talk 01:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Goodiok
Hello Very interesting information! Thanks! Bye

Your detailed user-page dosen't show log-ins at the top.
I wanted to mark the page so I could continue reading another time and the top line showed no long-in: when I tried to log-in on it, I got something like 'no such user'. Only when I backtracked to 'about cormaggio' did it show the log-in. BTW, I came to find out how to open a sub-page, but got lost as usual. :-}? Shir-El too 14:22, 18 September 2007 (UTC)  PS Would it be inappropriate to add quotes or mottos or jokes at the top of my page from time to time? (i.e. What do a woman and a tea bag have in common? You don't know how strong they are until you put them in hot water...). PPS Did you look up the Guardian article on how Wikis are changing economies? I left a link on the Colloquium a couple of weeks ago - it may be usable in your research: http://www.guardian.co.uk/g2/story/0,,2162394,00.html - thirty -

You really must be working hard! May your troubles be less, may your blessings be more, and may nothing but happiness come through your door. Shir-El too 11:06, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

What did you do about hackers?
I am sending you this by ordinary email too, cc: to the Sysop at a UCLA wiki: at http://intersci.ss.uci.edu/wiki/index.php/Main_Page click "recent changes" and the edits by unidentified IPs

this hacker seems to want to go after my large undergrad class home page...but is using a program with
 * 1) different IP each time
 * 2) always new "name" at top
 * 3) automated substitution... e.g. 's become 'AAAAAs etc which doesnt occur in some pages hacked.

What did you do beyond "Protect" the home (and thus all Mediawiki pages) to prevent hacking?

Connexions
Hey, just got back from an [education conference http://fie.engrng.pitt.edu/fie2007/] and I thought I'd drop you a line on some of the resources I found while I was there:

 * MERLOT
 * JORUM
 * CETL (I think this is the right CETL)
 * APROA (In Spanish)
 * Connexions

I was mainly excited about Connexions, which looked like it had a compatible license, but it looks like you already hear about that one. Any progress in communicating with them?--Rayc 05:23, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello again... and goodbye
In the last few weeks I've become more and more active on WP {same user name}, together with the realization that I don't learn well in this WV environment; I've been too unstructured for most of my life, so the stimulus of a buffet works better for me. But I didn't want to leave without saying goodbye - and thank you - and hope to meet you around the Wiki-verse 'sometime again.' Be Well and God Bless, Shir-El too 19:09, 21 October 2007 (UTC) PS please de-activate my username here, if such is possible. TKS

Mentoring
Hi, Cormaggio, I have a humble request for you. Would you be willing to mentor me as a probationary custodian? I'm willing to help out all I can - and really just need someone to get me going and a solid reference point should I encounter situations where I'm not too sure what to do (although this shouldn't happen to much after reading the guide and being well versed in Wikimedia projects). I run my own private installation of MediaWiki so the technical aspects shouldn't be a problem. It would be great if I could learn from someone obviously experienced and with the project's best interests at heart. Cheers, --Pumpmeup 06:14, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikimedia NL
Cormac, thank you for your talk. I found it interesting.

I'd like you to take an opportunity to participate on another Wiki Project, namely Wikinews. I have made a start on an article about the conference. I left at about 15:30, so if you can add something about what went on after that I would greatly appreciate it. --Brianmc 21:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Article is now published, a few other attendees chipped in bits from what I missed and what was after I left. Also got some pictures from the conf. I'm sure many people were putting their presentations online. Can you add a link to yours in the External links section? --Brianmc 10:18, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Welcome aboard :)
Hi Cormaggio. I got all but a few of those ID requests: not sure about three of them, but I'll give a shout to the commons/wikipedia people if no-one pops in soon. I'm amazed that some of those things are flowering, actually... England's climate is very different from ours (despite the fact that we're way south of you... I think Philadelphia is on the same latitude as Barcelona!)

I've set up a category marker ( bcpm/mane/11 ) for you to use on the profile pages: see this diff for how it's used (more or less... I also added to New Hampshire on that one). I'll try and get the bot to come through within the next couple days to add "| Manchester, England = " to the middle templates.

Just fair warning, I'm about 1/3 way through switching out the old templates to the new ones, so if you run across a profile page that uses one of the old templates, let me know and I'll update it (unfortunately it's very difficult to switch them, but the current template is designed for robotic editors, unlike the old one).

Judging from what you saw so far, I'm guessing your best keys will be the October ones for SEPA (perhaps even September, but not quite sure). Bloom Clock/Keys/Southeastern Pennsylvania/October has the list. --SB_Johnny | talk 11:00, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Cool :)! BTW: when something is identified, there will be links to wikipedia, wikibooks, and the log page, any or all of which (if they exist) will have the common names on them.
 * The bot has run through now, so the "Manchester, England = " field will be present on the updated templates. I'll check the other plants you saw and update if necessary later today. If you want to add bcpm/mane/11 to any that aren't updated, just add it under the "REGIONAL DATA" header near the bottom of the old templates and I'll grab it while I update (just make sure it's above the noinclude tag!). --SB_Johnny | talk 16:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Cormaggio. Viewed your page, and I think it's great what you are doing. keep up the good work.- Judith

Wikibooks and Wikiversity
Some thoughts. --JWS 16:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * "Care to notify the wikiversity-l list about this post?" <-- I basically did a brain dump on my user page. I hope to have time to create a shorter and more coherent comment for the mail list. --JWSchmidt 22:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried to post a comment to the email list but I guess I used the wrong email account. I hate email lists. I wish we could use better technology.....maybe some day we will have a real threaded discussion system at Wikiversity. --JWS 13:54, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Liquid Threads - we were just discussing it again on IRC...with the hope that some $$$ could be put into it...make it a more complete system. --JWSchmidt 19:44, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Copying Materials

 * I just came here to comment on something you'd written that I stumbled across here: "Take the time to learn the material (if you aren't already an expert) and share (but do not COPY) it with others on Wikiversity through this course." Are you suggesting people can't people copy material here on Wikiversity?

Cormaggio, in that comment I am referring to verbatim copying from external sources. In the resources section of the EE_414_Integrated_Circuits page you will see links to many outside sources. I don't think it is OK to copy material from other websites without leaving a reference (giving credit). Since the material I have seen so far here on Wikiversity does not contain references, I am assuming the material is original.

I think it would be relatively easy for me to copy materials that others have developed. I have tons of notes from university courses. I think I would feel bad about dumping it all here on Wikiversity. These people have worked hard to develop a course that you will pay to go to. Is it fair for me to give their work out to world for free (even if I give credit)?

My opinion: No, you should not copy materials from others without their permission, and you should leave credit.

What are your thoughts? -Neurondev 71.214.51.139 04:58, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

Discussion with head of WikiEducator
Hey again! :) We had said that we would do a discussion with you and the WE top guy, on WCR, and I think it would be a good "kick off" to a new bit of programming there. He says that Dec 15-20 would work, so I was wondering if that might work for you too. He's in Vancouver it seems, so that is PST (3 hours difference from me, and I think I'm GMT-5 now, so 8 hours diff to GMT). Would you be available at all during that timeframe, and could you suggest a time that might work? If we can't do a discussion, I'd still like to talk to each of you and maybe have a couple questions that you could pose to each other (or common questions we ask both of you) so that we can mix them together into a program. Let me know what you think and if you have any time. Historybuff 20:56, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

לערי ריינהארט
Hi Cormaggio! You are a « [ bureaucrat]» at « : ». Can you please rename my account clicking [ here]. Thanks in advance! Best regards Gangleri

·לערי ריינהארט·T·m:Th·T·email me· 00:21, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

learning in Wikiversity
I found your Learning and learning about learning in Wikiversity interesting. FWIW, I've resumed my learning blog where I've started to reflect on the approach that I have taken so far in creating learning projects here. I'll also be documenting a new tactic for developing future projects that I'm working on. Some of these thoughts tie in with things you have written about.--mikeu 19:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

 * One way to reduce the churn rate might be a wv customized attempt at Mentorship. My approach will be to work with a captive audience in person and walk them through a learning project.  Maybe this example will give other editors ideas on how a project could progress.  It might also attract people outside of my group to the project when they see the activity.  Then I will encourage my group to work together amongst themselves on new projects.  I'll be around and doing some stuff over the holidays, but things will likely not get too far along until Jan. or so.  I'll take a look at that book ref.  Thanks.--mikeu 15:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Changing names
Hi! I would like to change my user name to User:Artur. Could you please do this? a.z. 01:31, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi, I replied on my talk page. a.z. 15:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

"... and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest..."

May you and yours have all the best of this Season's Greetings: a

 * Very Merry Christmas

 * and a

 * Happy New Year.

Shir-El too 00:59, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

New Year, new talks
Happy New Year!

I seem to have fallen out of the loop sometime in December -- not quite sure how that happened. Maybe it was holiday season fever? Anyway, it's now time to get things back in gear. I'd like to do a chat with you and Wayne, at least individually if not in a group session. So, let me know what might work for you, and we'll see if any of that correlates to when Wayne is available. Hope you had a good holiday. Historybuff 22:58, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I've been thinking a bit, and it might be good to have one chat with you first about what wikiversity is -- sort of a foundation and direction idea, maybe a bit about the pre project stuff. I'm busy early next week for most of the day, but later in the week should ease up a bit. I figure it's easier for us to schedule a time (the two of us) and then invite others. It'll give me a chance to make sure the tech stuff is working for both of us, because we have a new server we'll be trying. Let me know when it suits you, I can probably swing something. Historybuff 22:38, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi Cormac, I really have to write the mapper from random timezones to UTC and back. 17-23UTC means 12-18EST. Tuesday I could do an earlier chat (up to about 17EST==22UTC). Wed and Thursday would work ok, but I might be "on the road" in the later half of those timeslots. I'm not sure if that would complicate things or not. Let me know if these times are still good with you. Historybuff 03:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm studying at a local College, There is lots of practical, but our workbook and text do touch on the Theories, and it's pretty amazing to get everything coming together and syncing up in a context.
 * Is your IRC issue a connectivity problem, or a client software issue?
 * I'm not sure if we are too late in the week to have a WCR session -- I should have a block of time today and tomorrow, in your timerange, if you have time. If not, let's set up a hard date for next week. Historybuff 15:28, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year too
IRC seems to be down at the moment - so "happy new year" by a more conventional method. I hope your sudden haste over new bureaucrats doesn't mean that we are losing you. --McCormack 10:59, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Bureaucratship
I responded on the Colloquium. --JWS 16:38, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

IRC
You may wish to join IRC now for a chat. Hope to see you. --McCormack 19:19, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikimania pictures
Howdy, Cormac. These are almost 6 months late, but - I have pictures of you giving your presentations at Wikimania, which I don't believe I ever actually gave you. Now that I'm out from behind the lovely Great Firewall of China, how would you like me to send them over? Mchua 00:12, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:Vivekumrao

Welcome
Hello Vivekumrao, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
 * Take a guided tour and learn to edit;
 * Explore our learning projects;
 * Browse our portals, schools, and research activities;
 * Read and help develop our community policies；or
 * Chat with other Wikiversitans on #wikiversity-en.

And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold, and see you around Wikiversity! Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  19:41, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

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Introduction to Swedish/Swedish–English vocabulary

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[Vivek Umrao]http://www.localgovernance.org/vivekumrao/

[Local Governance & Decentralized Economy Social Group]http://www.localgovernance.org

[Social Corporate]http://www.localgovernance.org/socialcorporate/

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[his experiments on education]http://www.localgovernance.org/vivekumrao/educationexperiments.htm

[his publications]http://www.localgovernance.org/vivekumrao/articles.html

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Introduction to Comparative Religion

Introduction
Comparative Religion is the study of various religions of the world and how they all relate to each other. This department will focus on the study of them all as a unified course rather than cover each in isolation from another. It is one of the goals of this department to inform students of how many vast similarities their religious ideologies have. This is as part of a greater effort to bring us all closer together.

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Talk:Introduction to Algorithms

Module main Declare Integer x = 1 Declare Real y = 3.4 Display x, " " ,y Call changeUs(x, y) End Module

Module changeUs (x,y) { Set a = 0 Set b = 0.0 Display a, " ", b }

I think that the concept of determinism needs to be introduced becasue this is a page about deterministic algorithms—Kinkydarkbird 01:38, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Added heading for computer science unofficial degree
I added a header and category on this page for thethe Unofficial Computer Science Degree.-- Azotochtli (talk) 19:15, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Layout
I have started adjusting the layout of this course, and moving the content to lessons within the course. Feel free to revert if this is too much of a change, or help me move things over. Please sign your name under active participants if you are currently editing this page.

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