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Introduction to Calculus/Limits

==Introduction to Limit andLimit processes are the basis of calculus. As opposed to algebra, where a variable is considered to have a fixed value (think of the solution of word problems, where there are one or more discrete answers), we allow a variable to change continuously and study how a function's value changes.==

Outline
This article addresses limits of functions of a single variable. It starts with an informal definition, discusses the basic properties of the limit operation, and progresses to the precise definition of limit. This rigorous definition is used to prove the earlier results, which were stated without proof. A number of examples of applying the definition are given, which helps develop facility with inequalities.

An Informal Definition
Consider the function $$y = 2x$$. As x increases, y increases. As we crank x up towards a number, say 100, y gets closer to the number 200.

Limits are concerned with what the value of a function (in this case, y) approaches as a variable it is based on (in this case, x) approaches a number (in this case, 100), not the actual value of the function when the variable equals the number. This is useful because not all functions are continuous and you may get a different result in the limit of y as you crank x down instead of up to that number.

Continuous Functions

 * Look at these two graphs. Notice that the top one is a single, unbroken curve, whereas the bottom one has many "jumps." Now the top graph is continuous and the bottom one is not. This is the basic idea of continuity for a function; a function that is not continuous will have jumps. Points themselves can also be continuous and not continuous. For example, the point where x equals -1/2 in the second graph is continuous because there are no jumps in that specific section. On the other hand, where x equals two, there is a jump, so the point is not continuous. Not a very formal definition, this jump thing! Because the jump thing is so informal, they invented a new way to phrase it using limits

Definition of a Continuous Function
Say we want to prove that the top function is continuous for all values between -3 and 3. (This is a closed interval, or a section of a function that includes the two endpoints. Likewise, an open interval is a section of a function that does not include the two endpoints. The closed interval between -3 and 3 includes -3 and 3; the open interval does not.) The first definition is that of continuity in an interval

we want to prove that the top function is continuous for all values between -3 and 3. (This is a closed interval, or a section of a function that includes the two endpoints. Likewise, an open interval is a section of a function that does not include the two endpoints. The closed interval between -3 and 3 includes -3 and 3; the open interval does not.) The first definition is that of continuity in an interval

 * Definition of continuity in a closed interval
 * A continuous closed interval is continuous at every point, including the left and right endpoints.

Not too complicated, eh? Now on to the definition of continuity at a point that is in a open interval; that is, not including the endpoints

 * Definition of continuity at a point in an open interval in a function
 * Let c be the x-value of the coordinate where we want to prove that the function is continuous. The function f is said to be continuous at the point c if the three following conditions hold:

 * $$f(c)$$ exists,
 * $$\lim_{x\to c} f(x)$$ exists, and
 * $$\lim_{x\to c} f(x)=f(c)$$

Now, when can the limit as x approaches c not exist? Just look at the second graph! If you try to find the limit at two from numbers larger than two, you get a result that does not equal the results from using numbers smaller than two! There is a way to write this mathematically, so we define new types of limits.

 * The mathematical way to write "The limit of f(x) as x approaches c created by using numbers larger than c" is $$\lim_{x\to c^+}f(x)$$
 * The mathematical way to write "The limit of f(x) as x approaches c created by using numbers smaller than c" is $$\lim_{x\to c^-}f(x)$$

Basic Theorems for Limit Operations
The limit operator satisfies linearity. That is, "the limit of sum, is the sum of the limits".

There are also basic rules for doing arithmetic with limits. They can be found in the calculus textbook for reference. Follow this link and study the limits. Convince yourself that these rules are intuitive. Also note that if f(a) is defined, and if f is a continuous function, then $$\lim_{x\to a} f(x)=f(a)$$.

Proofs
What does $$\lim_{x\to 5} (x^2)$$ equal?

Find the value of this expression for values close to 5:

Notice how, as we get closer to 5 from both sides, the value of the function,  x2  approaches 25. This may seem obvious, since 5 squared actually equals 25. In fact, the limit of  f(x)  as x approaches c in a continuous open interval is equal to  f(c)  if it is defined. However, this problem is merely to help you get acquainted to limits, before we go into limits about a very special quotient,  0/0  and other indeterminate forms, or expressions that cannot be determined by substituting c for x in a limit where x goes to c.

NOTE: Wikipedia is a very good reference on these limits; however, avoid going into the section on evaluating indeterminate limits, for this uses a statement called l'Hôpital's rule. This is a useful rule but is confusingly unnecessary until you know what a derivative is.

Notice that  0/0  by itself is meaningless; also notice that $$\lim_{x\to 0}(x/x)$$ equals one, since for all values near 0,  x/x=1 .

The main purpose of limits
You can find otherwise undefined expressions with limits. They allow you to use algebraic rules, even at values when the rules are false! For example, look at $$\lim_{x\to 0} (x^2/x)$$. What does this equal?

Let's use an algebraic rule that is true at all values of x besides zero. The rule states that $$x^2/x$$ equals  x  for all numbers beside 0. When we apply this rule to our old limit, we see that the limit is equivalent to $$\lim_{x\to 0} x$$, which is easily seen to be equal to 0.

For more on finding limits, see the calculus wikibook.

A More Precise Definition of Limit

 * For almost all purposes, the informal definition of a limit works very well; however, because of its vague wording, it is very dificult to use it in any sort of proof about limits. For proofs, the formal definition of a limit, from Wikibooks, is used instead.

Limits involving Polynomials
Finding the limit of a polynomial is a simple process. The easiest method of taking the limit of a polynomial is substitution. The value of a polynomial as x approaches a is equal to f(a). Consider the following example:

$$\lim_{x\rightarrow 3} x^3 + 2x^2 + 7 = (3)^3 + 2(3)^2 + 7 = 52 $$

Limits involving Trigonometric Functions
This is a unit circle. It has a radius of one unit, and its angles are measured in radians. Using this circle, we can prove that
 * $$\lim_{\theta\to 0} \,\ \frac{\sin(\theta)}{\theta}=1$$
 * Notice that this makes sense, since as theta approaches 0, arc DA becomes very close to being congruent to arc DC. This doesn't prove anything, though! To prove this, we need to look at areas. First notice that $$ODC \le ODA \le OBA $$, since each area contains the last are, plus another layer. Now, we can find the area of these three areas. The first area, ODC, is a triangle. This triangle has a base of $$ \,\ \cos(\theta)$$, and it has a height of $$ \,\ \sin(\theta)$$. Using the area formula for a triangle, we find
 * $$ODC=\frac{1}{2} \cos(\theta) \sin(\theta)$$
 * Now, we go on to the next area, ODA. It is a sector of a circle. The formula to find the area of the sector of a circle is
 * $$\frac {\theta r^2} {2}$$
 * This makes sense, since when you think that a complete circle would have two pi radians, the formula turns into the formula for a circle. In our unit circle, the area is simply $$\frac {\theta} {2}$$, since the radius is one.
 * The third area is also a triangle, with height of $$ \,\ \tan(\theta)$$, or $$\frac {\sin(\theta)}{\cos(\theta)}$$. With a base of one, its area turns into
 * $$\frac {1}{2} \frac {\sin(\theta)}{\cos(\theta)}$$
 * Now from the original expression of $$ODC \le ODA \le OBA $$, we have
 * $$\frac{1}{2} \cos(\theta) \sin(\theta)\le \frac {\theta}{2} \le \frac {1}{2} \frac {\sin(\theta)}{\cos(\theta)}$$
 * Multiply this whole inequality by two
 * $$ \cos(\theta) \sin(\theta) \le \theta \le \frac {\sin(\theta)}{\cos(\theta)}$$
 * Now divide the whole thing by $$ \,\ \sin(\theta)$$
 * $$ \cos(\theta) \le \frac {\theta} {\sin(\theta)} \le \frac {1}{\cos(\theta)}$$
 * Now we apply the limit!
 * $$ \lim_{\theta \to 0} \,\ \cos(\theta) \le \lim_{\theta \to 0} \,\ \frac {\theta} {\sin(\theta)} \le   \lim_{\theta \to 0 } \,\ \frac {1}{\cos(\theta)} \equiv 1 \le \lim_{\theta \to 0} \,\ \frac {\theta} {\sin(\theta)} \le \frac {1}{1}, \,\ or \,\ 1 $$

Further Study

 * Introduction to differentiation

Tools

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 * I am a complete newbie when it comes to anything Wiki. I've browsed Wikipedia quite a bit, but never edited. Wikiversity sounds like a good opportunity to get involved.
 * I think things are pretty chaotic around here right now. It's tough to find my bearings. It's nice to read things like "be bold!"

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Questions with Answers

 * Here are some questions with answers ... I just haven't found them yet:)

 * Can we run Java applets/will we be able to at some point?
 * Here is an external link to an example of what could be done:
 * http://cgi.duke.edu/~trc7/cps/about.html#web Teach Yourself Java.

 * The content from this site is limited, but the premise is good. The java language is taught via a Java applet. The site is now defunct. It only has introductory tests on Java, but it is something that could be modelled and expanded on.

 * W3C tutorials are similar. They are highly interactive and immediate. They don't have much in the way of Java at W3C, but there javascript tutorial is a favorite of mine.

wiki editing and java
Be sure to check this tutorial. Also: Interactive learning resources and Interactive labs. If you have any questions, let me know. --JWSchmidt 00:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
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Portal:Human physiology

Welcome to the Wikiversity Department of Human Physiology.

The Department of Human Physiology is a Wikiversity content development project where participants create, organize and develop learning resources for human physiology.

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Request from School of Medicine
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 * Human Physiology

General Physical Concepts
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History of computing

Course Navigation

This is a lesson in the course, Introduction to Computer Science, which is a part of The School of Computer Science

Objective
To familiarize the student with the historical development of the modern (or present kind of) computer and its predecessors (or the old type). In this manner, the student can advance certain knowledge and ideas regarding the computer as a unit in itself. This could help students have a more critical understanding of the development of a computer in terms of sizes, the prices associated with selling individual units, and, more important, how computers have drastically changed society.

Assignment
Students should do the required reading and assignments, then are encouraged to take one or more of the quizzes below.

Required Work
1. Read the following Wikipedia articles, and write summaries of each that are the specified number of pages. You may find the Timeline of computing helpful for this part of the assignment.
 * History of computation (1/4 pp.)
 * The History of Computing Hardware (2 pp.)

2. Read about one of the early pioneers in the field: Pascal, Leibniz, Jacquard, Babbage, Lovelace, Hollerith, Eckert, Mauchly, Aiken, Zuse, Atanasoff, Turing, or Von Neumann. Write a 2 pp., single spaced paper describing in detail that person's contribution to computing and computer science. You should consult more than one reputable source outside Wikipedia. Be sure to cite all references!

Quiz

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= 1 September, 2006 =

Online AP study
Quote: "If you are a homeschooled student or attend a school that doesn't offer AP, you can still participate. Each year hundreds of students participate through independent study. Some states even sponsor online AP courses." <--we can give people college credit!--Rayc 05:15, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Infrastructure Project (New Page?)
Do others agree that such a project category should exist? Does such a category exist and I missed it? Does anyone agree that Wikiversity Infrastructure would be a good place for the School of Computer Science to devote its attention? Is it possible to create such an infrastructure in a contribution-based Wiki environment? (The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.68.88.137 (talk • contribs) 02:46, August 24, 2006.) I have moved this from Infrastructure Project.--  digital  _  me   00:37, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Why did you move it? Was it originally linked to from computer science?  I left a response for the originator but it will not do much good if they cannot find the file they created.  Mirwin 05:38, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I moved that comment because it was on an orphaned mainspace page where it was unlikely to be seen by anyone.-- digital  _  me   16:49, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Revertpage
I'd like to propose changing the edit summary on rollbacks from "Reverted edits by $2 (Talk); changed back to last version by $1" to "Reverted edits by $2 (Talk) to last version by $1". I think that the second one is better sounding, and it's more pithy and succint. Any major objections to this/alternate suggestions? -- digital  _  me   00:56, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, the second one sounds better to me. Cormaggio 07:51, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "more pithy" <-- Pithy comments are often short, direct, and memorable. However, what we need is informative. Suggestion: (Reverted edits by $2 (Talk); changed back to last version by $1 using Rollback)

What was decided on courses and research?
I see this place actually got created. I'm surprised- I thought that the board had been aiming to kill it. Can I ask what decisions were made over divisive issues? Particularly primary research and courses? Wether I choose to participate or not will be highly influenced by the final decision on the second.

-- Gabe Sechan 01:04, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I think it is "if in the 6 months it can be done, then we will allow it, otherwise, no" That is why there is a bit of a rush and a mess everywhere.--Rayc 05:08, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

 * As near as I can tell the term "course" is discouraged because it is tied up with giving official credit for formal chunks of work measured in some way ..... which we are not currently set up to do. Instead we are trying to evolve some methods of using the wiki to allow people to exchange information.  We have been given six months by the board to layout how Wikiversity would manage primary research as a community after which the Special Projects committee will review and evaluate the project's progress.  It is not clear to me what happens should the committee decide we flunk their evaluation regarding research nor have any evaluation criteria been provided to the community at large.  The approved proposal is accessible by link from the main page.  It has not changed much at all from what was voted on eight months ago other than the restrictions regarding "courses" and research.  Most of the "divisive" issues have been worked around and left to the arriving community to sort out how to handle them effectively.  Mirwin 05:48, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi Gabe. I'd just like to clarify on Rayc's comment above, which is more like "if, by the six month stage we have outlined sufficient guidelines and a realistic scope for research across all language projects, then Wikiversity will move out of its beta stage". It's true, as Mirwin says, that there are no criteria for setting this out - I suppose the word "realistic" is the best I can do for now. You can see ongoing work on this at Research and related links. But, as for courses, there's nothing in the approved proposal that prevents someone from developing a course. Even though the proposal does recommend developing courses/activities/projects suitable to the wiki format (ie collaborative learning etc.), it is also deliberately open to most any pedagogy that might work. We will have to experiment with what works and build on what we learn in the process of doing that - that's the essence of Wikiversity for me. Cormaggio 07:46, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I have been working on an essay about the issue of Wikiversity courses, see: Learning the wiki way. --JWSchmidt 13:40, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

 * What about reading course?  -- A group of people, none of which knows the subject well, can together read a text, and use Wikiversity as the forum.Hillgentleman 21:53, 1 September 2006 (UTC)-

 * Excellent idea! I had a required course titled "Great Books" which was such a class at college.  We read the Illiad, the sequel, and a couple of other "greats".  Grading seemed be by how closely comments aligned with the Professor's opinion.  Such a "course" would be a lot more fun as a hobby with no pressure to memorize the Prof's wording or opinions for tests.  It would also be of great service to the Wikibooks project if such a group organized around reading and commenting on one of their books .... say the wiki junior "Solar System" book which is nearing publication.  Likewise a couple of geographically separated AP (advanced placement?) groups could use a local forum to work through an agreed upon text or curriculum or specific topic at Wikibooks.  Perhaps a basic procedure or template could be devised and linked to from the main page or the "How to use Wikiversity" page accessible from the main page.  Mirwin 10:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Launch of the school of marine sciences
Its still only really in the basic stages, but I've created a school of marine sciences, and under it the departments of marine biology, marine chemistry and marine physics. I hope I haven't been too presumptuous in the 'philosophy' section, but it puts a marker down for those who want to participate in the school and constituent departments that we can debate from and take the departments and school from there. I've been busy typing some stuff that I will add to the discussion pages of the school and departments re:where from here when there are a few active participants.

A few points I'd like to make also regarding some matters of debate earlier on, I agree that those who wish to participate in the running of a department or school should simply add themselves to a list of contributors and there should be no formal officials or titles e.g. dean or professor. Perhaps as this (hopefully) develops, the students and contributors could elect boards to oversee (in terms of regulate rather than direct) departments and schools, but that's a matter for the future. Also with regard to putting qualifications on the user pages, I cautiously agree, simply to gain credibility for the wikiversity in its fledgling stage. However, surely the whole point of the wikiversity is to encourage autodidacts who have a wide range of learning needs and wants (how much want to learn, in what areas, in what ways) and may not have formal qualifications.

This is about more than ticking boxes (which many academic qualifications are) and as wikiversity develops we could well see masses of people incredibly knowledgeable about areas previously confined to the walls of academia, who can make incredible contributions to developing learning resources, courses and even original research in wikiversity - when that time comes (and I'm not ignoring the fact that there are large amounts of autodidacts out there already who are and will make huge contributions) posting academic achievements and qualifications won't just be unnecessary but irrelevant. Saying that, in order to get to that point I think credibility needs to be built and brief notes on userpages on the credentials of the user (not necessarily academic or career related) might just help with that.

Apologies if I go on a bit or repeat previous points. I can be a bit long-winded sometimes...

Jimbobalina2005 1 September 2006

 * Thanks for letting us know - and all the best with developing this learning community. I, too, hope that it becomes a centre of academic excellence (without, necessarily, the traditional trappings), and would encourage you to start developing seeds of content (perhaps simply questions), so that, when people start coming, they will be able to easily find a place they can add their own material, photographs, (research) questions, learner needs etc.. Good luck! Cormaggio 09:20, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Documentary Hypothesis
Hi, Wikiversity,

I'm not an active contributor on this project. I spend my time over at Wikisource, so please excuse me if this question is in the wrong place. Wikisource currently has a collection of texts call the Documentary Hypothesis (the pages I'm talking about can be found here). The problem is, these don't fit under the WS inclusion guidelines (they aren't exactly a source text) and will likely be deleted soon. However, the material on it might be useful for a place like WV. Again, I don't know if it fits with the vision here, but someone more knowledgable might want to give the page a look and see if it could be used somehow with this project. It would be a shame to lose such material because it simply doesn't fit our inclusion criteria, so I'm throwing this up to the community here. Thanks for your time.— Zhaladshar > (Talk) > 01:13, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

 * We have a School:Theology that might take them, but shouldn't they either fall under wikisource or wikibooks inclusion criteria?--Rayc 04:10, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I've had a look, and I'm certainly not "knowledgeable" on the subject, but I can see the dilemma. They seem to be against Wikisource policies as they are not strictly a source text, but essentially a collection of quotes from specific source texts. And they are not suitable for Wikibooks, as they do not seem to be in a textbook format as they are. I'd welcome them to Wikiversity if they can be put to use, ie not simply dumped somewhere, but clearly outlined what kinds of learning projects this material would be relevant to. As they are, this isn't so clear (to me, at least). But, in general, I would encourage the kinds of material here on Wikiversity which could prompt further research or writing on the other projects. Looking through source texts at Wikisource in order to write a textbook on Wikibooks, all of which is coordinated on Wikiversity, sounds good to me. Cormaggio 09:03, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

= 2 September, 2006 =

Networking with other academic projects
One thing we haven't talked about much so far is how wikiversity should work with our "brick-and-mortar" (or is that "ivory-and-ivy") counterparts. We're serious people with a serious project, and universities tend to want to support things like this. Anyone who has had experience in the academic setting will know that the first thing you need to do before taking on a project is to find support (i.e. grant money) for your project.

Due to the magnaniminity of the wikimedia foundation, we don't need to look for funding. But we do need people to provide peer reviews, publicity, and accountability. And we need a "protocol" for how to approach academic institutions, which might be skeptical of our project. I suggest that we could try doing this the wiki way, and write our proposals together.

On the staff lounge at wikibooks, someone posted a link to an article about http://globaltext.org, which is an organisation striving to create free textbooks (they're apparently using wikibooks to write these texts). I've perused their site, and they don't seem to know about us yet. So I think maybe the best way to set the protocol would be to come up with a community letter to their organisation, work on it for 2 weeks, and then send it out.

It's worth try, at least: A_Letter_to_globaltext.org

--SB_Johnny | talk 17:32, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I, right now, think first establishing interwiki relationships could be important as well. No only with the other wikimedia projects, but wikia places like The PSYCHOLOGY WIKI and stand alone wikis like OGRE wiki.  These places would have partisipants that already know how to use wiki software and have simmilar GDFL goals.--Rayc 17:47, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

=3-9 September, 2006=

Short report about English-language Wikiversity
Hello folks. Recently, Frank has written a short report about the German-language Wikiversity. English-language Wikiversity is almost 3-week-old, and it would be great if someone could write a short report about it. Please keep in mind that the shorter the report is, the easier it will be translated into other languages. This is really important because this report is aiming at letting people from other languages know about en: Wikiversity. Please post this report on the dedicated section on Wikiversity Beta. Thanks a lot, and go on doing such a good work! guillom 09:51, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I was thinking something like this, feel freee to clean it up, I have to run right now:
 * The English wikiversity was set up on August 15, 2006, and as of September 3rd, it has:
 * 2,511 pages with 195 "content" pages (what is the def on content?)
 * 782 users with 9 "custodians"
 * The mass import of pages from wikibooks and meta is still on going, though most of the key "school" :pages have been moved
 * The title administrator was changed to custodian and a system of mentorship for the job was taken up
 * Policy debates are on-going and early on there were more policy pages then actual content pages. :School and department pages now make up the majority.
 * A naming scheme is still being hammered out. Currently it is Portal->School->Topic (for divisions :and departments)->Main (for lessons and projects)
 * As for content, the following project have been proposed and worked a bit on
 * bloom clock project
 * Wikiveristy the movie
 * (add here)
 * (add here)

--Rayc 22:41, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Some news from Wikiversity Beta
Hello

Wikiversity Beta is now 10 days old and I think the time has come to give some news. I have decided to organize it as a list of FAQ. Feel free to ask questions I have not thought about at Babel.

Just to remind you, Wikiversity Beta is a global platform aiming at coordinating Wikiversity projects in several languages. This multilingual coordination intends to deal with Wikiversity's mission and general guidelines of the project's scope (for example, about original research). Wikiversity Beta is also a place where Wikiversity projects which don't have a subdomain yet can develop. English-language Wikiversity participants should take an active part in discussions on Beta, since those discussions are going to concern all Wikiversity projects, including the English-language one.

You will find more information in the FAQ. You can also take a look at the reports to get some news from Wikiversity projects in all languages.

guillom 09:57, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I still think the idea of a "Beta" or "Meta" Wikiversity is ill conceived and lacks individuals who truly wanted to see it get developed. There was some talk once upon a time to have independent "meta" discussion areas for each one of the Wikimedia projects, but instead there is until now, only one "Meta" wiki for all Wikimedia projects.  And that metawiki has served as a very useful tool.  So why is it being duplicated in this instance and what will beta.wikiversity offer over meta?

 * In addition, I don't see a strong effort to removed content from say pt.wikibooks to beta.wikiversity but rather an effort instead to create pt.wikiversity. And again, why use beta.wikiversity.org when incubator.wikimedia.org is already available to do exactly the same thing?

 * The multi-lingual coordination does need to happen in some area, but I think having a whole seperate wiki dedicated to just that mission is not strictly necessary, and something that is going to be much more prone to vandalism. I also didn't see any significant effort to address the objections to the creation of this seperate sub-domain of wikiversity but instead a strong push to simply deny that those objections even existed.  This is a needless duplication of effort for other Wikimedia projects that already exist elsewhere.  --Robert Horning 18:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Still lots of stuff on WB
See this page, from #606 down is mostly wikiversity pages. Are these wanted, or are people just making new pages? If any pages are wanted, add them to Import, or if they're stubs/junk, just mark them for deletion on WB. --SB_Johnny | talk 18:15, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say that all should be imported, and improved or deleted based on their merits here. - Trevor MacInnis 02:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I would go for some unrealted import section of wikiversity that people could move pages out of. It's getting confusing when they are moved into places that already have pages, and are not merged.--Rayc 02:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Pages such as b:Wikiversity:School of Medicine:Internal medicine:Oncology that only have one or a few authors could be copied from Wikibooks and pasted to Wikiversity with the author(s) listed on the new talk page at Wikiversity. --JWSchmidt 03:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

 * It's getting confusing when they are moved into places that already have pages -- aye, thars the rub. I think the best thing for now is to just wait for individual requests. I check Import at least once a day and will bring over any listed page... maybe it's better to just work on the page on the wb side until it get imported (hopefully within a few hours or less). I just don't want to import a bunch of stuff and create a big orphan page problem here :). --SB_Johnny | talk 08:59, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

 * "a big orphan page problem here" <-- You can make use of Help with the migration of Wikiversity pages from Wikibooks. --JWSchmidt 10:13, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Reminder: Motto and logo polls
This is mainly a reminder/alert that the Logo proposal process enters the voting stage tomorrow, and the banner at the top of the pages could be changed to "Please vote to choose the new Wikiversity logo on Meta" or similar... Smurrayinchester 20:20, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Motto and Slogan Contest: Round 2
Please list your support of a motto and slogan here: Motto contest.

Please consider revising your choice.

Many motto and slogan options were listed in Round 1. Hence, we need other slections round(s) to arrive at consensus choice(s). The following is hopefully a simple and flexible process for inclusion of the most input. It will take some time.

For additional rounds, rather than the idea of an instant runoff which was floated before, it is suggested that we proceed in a simple step-wise way:
 * Round 2: Invite more support (and support changing) for options with at least one person supporting. Feel free to share comments in the comment sections that help explain the meaning and intent of mottos and slogans.
 * Round 3: Unless there are overwhelming favorites (strong majorities in support), invite more support (and support changing) on options with at least two persons supporting. Please discuss the merits of each option. This round invites more discussion so as to arrive at a rough consensus by the community and as judged, if necessary, by experienced custodians.

Timeframes:
 * The first selection round started on August 23 and ended on September 7, 2006, after 5:00 pm GMT.
 * The second selection round (which includes the openness of the first round) starts on Septermber 7 ends on September 22, 2006, 5:00 pm GMT.
 * If necessary, the 3rd round and discussion process would start on September 22 and last as long as needed.

Comments? Reswik 19:06, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Discussion sections and this sentence of invitation were added to the contest page today: Feel free to share comments in the comment sections that help explain the meaning and intent of mottos and slogans. Reswik 15:16, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

School of fictional universes??
Would it be acceptable to create a "School of fictional universes"? because I'm sure that someday some trekies will want to make a "Star Trek universe course"... I've had a somewhat crazy idea related to that but I want to know if it would be Wikiversityish to do something of the sort...? --Halyks 00:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Maybe the first learning project in the "School of fictional universes" could be: Star Fleet Academy - scholarly analysis of the science, sociology and languages of the fictional Star Trek universe. --JWSchmidt 02:52, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think my first post was on what to do with this sort of stuff...--Rayc | (Talk) 02:57, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It was your third Wikiversity edit. --JWSchmidt 03:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I Only gave the idea of StarTrek as an example... someone someday will want to do it.. lol i'm not really a Star Trek fan myself but I know some of those "Trekkies"... lol My question was "Would a School of Fictional Universes be accepted in Wikiversity" because i've never seen a school with those type of courses other than some Literature classes... I'ma FAn of the Harry Potter universe and making classes relation to that universe would be something i'd work on, and i'd try to get people from the Wikipedia Harry Potter Project to join in.--Halyks 16:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikiversity aims to have learning resources for all ages. Many young people are excluded from "real world" affairs and encouraged to explore fiction. We can welcome the participation of people who are interested in fiction while we also encourage a scholarly approach to knowledge. Some people never grow out of their interest in fiction while becoming explorers who create and discover new knowledge about the "real" world. --User:JWSchmidt 19:06, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * ok... acording to what I understand, this is possible and acceptable considering the goal of wikiversity... right?? lol we'd have to choose a better name than "School of Fictional Universes though.. I personally don't feel the name... if anyone has suggestions post them here! :) --Halyks 03:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Depends on the angle you want to take. "The science of Harry Potter", "Harry Potter Literacy campaign", "Harry Potter and the effect of populate literature on religious belief". I know my sister would join one of those groups. I myself have been thinking about creating: "MSTique: Literary critique through the use of MSTing”--Rayc 05:04, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Interiot's edit counter
It's available here. If there are any problems (outside of it not working with IE :P), let me know.-- digital  _  me   04:20, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikiversity and books
There is, it seems, currently a problem within wikiversity. Whilst the links to resources on the web provide useful educational materials for teachers and students, problems arise when wikiversians are directed towards books that they may not have access to or be able to afford. It seems here that until all such texts are freely available online (something I don't see happening under capitalism) an approach is needed to provide free access to wikiversians (and other learners). Here are five approaches I can think of:

1. Wikiversity local groups - wikiversians in certain areas can club together to purchase books and establish an informal library which all wikiversians in the area can access, and can perhaps be administrated at meetings or online. The local group can also club together to pay for one of the group to have access to a university library and/or journals online.

2. Join a learned society - I am a member of the Marine Biological Association of the United Kingdom. This gives me access to the private library of the society. Also membership of such societies may allow you to befriend certain people who may be prepared to lend you specialist books.

3. Request the book from a public library - request that your local public library (or at least one of the libraries in your local network - in England the libraries are run by local councils and therefore each county/metropolitan borough has a library service in which libraries swap books) purchase a copy of textbooks that are required by wikiversians. I would suggest here that due to the restricted budgets of public libraries there is some community discussion on the most important books to request so libraries don't get inundated with requests and decide to ignore them all, or purchase books of lesser import to wikiversians.

4. Propose a partnership between your local library service and the nearest university, so the public libraries, perhaps in times when certain modules aren't running at the university and so not all copies of module core texts will be needed, can carry and lend books owned by the university. Perhaps computers in the library may be able to access journals that the university is subscribed to as well. Public libraries might have to pay the universities for this access (or maybe do something for the university as well, such as promote it, give students and academics free use of library seminar rooms for meetings or do something else for the university, especially if the library service is part of local government - maybe the council could give the uni some land if the public libraries get access to online journals and books not in demand permanently).

5. Approach the author and ask them if they would like to contribute to wikiversity by allowing the online publication of their work, freely accessible (with maybe voluntary donations to the author's charity of choice). More likely is requesting that a previous edition is made available in wiki form, with encouraging messages advising people to buy the latest edition (in other words we offer the author advertising in exchange for their work being freely available, not ideal I know). The beauty of making the old edition available in wiki form is that wikiversians can update it themselves.

I would welcome some debate on this issue, which I think could be of growing importance as wikiversity develops.

Jimbobalina2005 14:21, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

 * These are great suggestions, and thanks. I would say that finding local public sources of texts, such as libraries and/or universities, and using gentle but collective force to gain better access to texts is a really practical suggestion. Another, obvious suggestion is to collate all the freely available online peer-reviewed journals in various disciplines so that people can use Wikiversity as a one-stop place to find quality sources (amongst other things). One final thing that we may consider as a community - and one where the Foundation may be of help - is to use our growing leverage in the world of open access to knowledge in order to encourage archives, museums, libraries, galleries etc to make some or even all of their content available for Wikimedia, and hence the world. I know of at least four such high profile institutions in the U.S. that are in the process of either donating their archives to Wikimedia or figuring out how to do so - and this process can be encouraged, nationally, around the world. It may be an idea (where applicable) to do this through the national "chapters" (like Wikimedia UK, for example) - some chapters, particularly the German "Verein", have already had success with such requests. Cormaggio 15:15, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

Multilingual projects
How to handle projects/courses that are from their very beginning meant to be mutilingual? Think e.g. of a course teaching a language. Much of its content will be in the language itself, much of its content will be media files of some kind, in addition there will be bits and pieces in several languages that learners already know. People understanding several languages will be asked all the time to utilize parallel ressources in as many languages as possible.

There seem to be three basic ways of dealing with that under current premises:
 * 1) Have (almost) identical copies of the course in language.wikiversity wikies for all instructional languages.
 * 2) Put almost everything on Commons and use it by reference or transclusion in the language wikies.
 * 3) Put all multilingual and non-specific media on Commons, all language-specific stuff into an appropriate language wiki, if non exists use beta, and let learners do wiki-hopping.

None of those three seems to be very promising though, since ressources are scattered over so many wikies, and the most central course materials end up duplicated or outside the scope of Wikiversity. Note that this will be all examination-, feedback- and QA related files. Note also that learners must be discouraged from using talk pages in language wikies for (at least) part of their possible themes, since primary course designers might not be watching those, or even unable to read them, while translators of the bits and pieces would possibly not closely or not at all watch them, since they regard their jobs done.

Particularly self-study courses may thus suffer from structural complexities.

-- Purodha 12:12, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not a currently planned option would be to centrally host such stuff on beta or www.wikiversity, and simply include links to it in individual language Wikiversity course lists and directories.

 * I have a similar problem. I also want to begin a language learning project, but the one I want to begin is multilingual: Intercomprehension between speakers of romance languages. Such project would be multilingual. So I think that it fits the best in beta.
 * But, on the other hand, I think that "1" language learning groups in a intermediate and advanced level would be more appropiate in the domain of the language they are learning. --Javier Carro 15:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I think that Wikiversity Beta was originally thought of as a place for coordinating a large group of language-specific Wikiversity websites. However, for a multilingual learning projects it would be a good use of the Wikiversity Beta website to have at least one page there to coordinate the project. There should probably be a discussion at Babel about the idea of having multilingual learning projects based at Wikiversity Beta. --JWSchmidt 16:03, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I think this may be a fake one... but it could be genuine, either way. --82.42.145.158 13:34, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

 * The account has been blocked pending confirmation of identity. -- sebmol ? 13:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've asked Jimbo himself. This guy's an imposter. --Draicone (talk) 11:50, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

=10-16 September, 2006=

Educational resources for younger students
Since Wikiversity is for all ages, I think there should be some schools and/or categories for learners younger than college age. For example:

--Gray Porpoise 19:02, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * School of Early Learning (preschool, kindergarten)
 * School of Primary Education (1st-3rd grade)
 * School of Intermediate Education (4th-8th grade)
 * etc.

Please don't archive quite so quickly
I realize this is an active page, but it would be helpful to allow conversations to stay here longer before being moved to a locked archive. Can we say at least 2 weeks? Not everybody checks in here regularly, and it may take a while for a question to be answered.

I was hoping for a reply to my question/comment about OpenCourseWare. --Singkong2005 08:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Collective Original Research Project
I want to start making a collective original research and i'm just wondering where i'm suposed to put it... main namespace right?

Proposal for research of Music History and Cultures on the school of music talkpage --Halyks 20:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Yup, main namespace :). --SB_Johnny | talk 20:51, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright!, I'll start writing the basics now in notepad and start the project page when it's done! :) --Halyks 21:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:School and university projects
Although I assume many people are aware of this, for those who don't, I'd like to suggest close cooperation with w:Wikipedia:School and university projects. Also, if you have a good idea where to link this project from Wikiversity, please do so (I couldn't find a link or a good place to create it).--Piotrus 02:43, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I made links at Wikiversity and Wikipedia services, Wikiversity teachers and Wikiversity outreach. --JWSchmidt 10:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

"Interactive Lab" learning material project
I am getting ready to start a discussion on creating interactive lab learning material using open software. I'm currently aiming at Java applets as platforms, but other suggestions include the SVG/JavaScript tools. To begin planning, prototyping and proposing any needed policies in this realm, I want to start a page about this. I now wonder what namespace this should go into? Should that by a simple page, or a portal, or something like "Interactive Labs Project"? Any suggestions? Awolf002 02:46, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We could start with something general like Interactive learning resources as a place to make plans. I would like to see the development of a wide range of interactive features for Wikiversity, some of which might not fit into the category of "labs". I've been thinking about ways to simulate biotechnology lab equipment. --JWSchmidt 03:00, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Sounds good. I will draft some startup text and get it going when I'm awake again. Awolf002 03:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I started up a hierarchy of pages that give space to all interactive projects one may come up with. I hope they are useful. Awolf002 02:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Happy one month, Wikiversity!

weeks until your first birthday. (Note the number will change everyweek)--Rayc | (Talk) 04:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Timers
I've been looking into timers. Timers could be usefull for a lot of things:

Deletion debates: Put these things at the top of the debates and no one will say that you closed early or late.

Custodian timers: If the "vote" for Custodianship last a set time, these will be able to tell how long the vote has been open.

Assignments timers: If an assignment is due on a particular day or time, but because of the timezones you need it to be clear how many hour left you have, you can use them.

IRC meetups: Set a timer for a class or for a tutoring to be held on IRC.

Unlike the other wikis, this one needs to be tied to time. Here is the raw code for my first timer:

or: hours until 5 days are up. Anyone else think up a use?--Rayc | (Talk) 04:56, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

At Probationary custodians we have a probationary custodian who started a one month probationary period on 17 August. How do we determine when the one month period is over? --JWSchmidt 14:06, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It only works for 31 day months, but this is the general idea: which gives  days to go.  For a new person, its

--Rayc 18:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Correct adjective
Out of interest what is the correct terms for someone who uses and participates in Wikiversity. Wiktionary has Wiktionarians and Wikipedia has Wikipedians, so what is our term? -Yorktown1776 16:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It was down to wikischolar or wiklar last I heard.--Rayc 18:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going with wikischolar. Thanks! Yorktown1776 18:43, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

School vs. Portal
What's the relation between those two namespaces? School:Sociology and Portal:Sociology are separate entities, but School:Social Sciences redirects to Portal:Social Sciences. My gut feeling is that Portals should be 'eye-candy' like on Wikipedia, but Schools should be main work areas like WikiProjects. Do we have any policies or guidelines on that?--Piotrus 22:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We do. It's written down at Naming conventions. If there's something that doesn't make sense, just be bold. -- sebmol ? 22:34, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with the idea that Wikiversity portals should be "easy on the eye". In terms of utility, protals should efficiently connect Wikiversity browsers to Wikiversity learning resources in a subject area. I agree with the idea that "School:" and "Topic:" namespace pages should be thought of as project pages. "School:" projects organize the efforts of Wikiversity participants in broad areas of study. "Topic:" projects organize the efforts of Wikiversity participants for just one narrow topic area. --JWSchmidt 15:01, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

=17-24 September, 2006=

Advertise the Wikiversity in your user page
I have adapted a code from another "advertisement" with a wikiversity logo and it looks so:

w:es:Usuario:Javier_Carro. If you like the idea, you may copy it, adapt it or improve it from w:es:Usuario:Javier Carro/Estudia con la Wikiversidad. I encourage you to use it because wikiversity needs to be advertised especially now, at the beginning. --Javier Carro 19:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

A proposal of language learning policy
I have made a proposal of language learning policy for all the wikiversity projects in this link. Your commentaries at the discussion page will be appreciated. Thank you. --Javier Carro 21:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Main Page: New Design
Thank you very much to Trevor MacInnis and David Levy for their talented and extensive work in creating and refining the new main page design. Thank you also to everyone who shared input and comments. :) --Reswik 01:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yey! Thanks Trevor MacInnis and David Levy!  Now... let's start working on the next draft.--Rayc 04:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Some Sidebar changes
I'm planning on adding a link to Browse to the sidebar, since this seems like something that should be there. If anyone has any objections, please say so here. -- digital  _  me   04:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Do you mean the "sidebar" at the top of this page? If so, that sounds fine to me. A link to the community portal (the best set of links to info about Wikiversity) would be good too. --Reswik 04:35, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I'm referring to the sidebar that goes next to every page on the wiki, with links to the Main Page, Recent changes, Random pages, etc... It already has a link to the Portal on it.--  digital  _  me   04:46, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Browse seems to be the second highest ranked page, it should be on the sidebar until we get something better.--Rayc 04:48, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Motto and Slogan Contest: Round 3
Please list your support for one motto and one slogan here: Motto contest.

Following the lead of the logo contest, similar alternatives have been grouped.

We need more people to give input and comments. --Reswik 04:41, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Signature
Hi, can anyone tell me how to get my Wikipedia signature to work here, with a link to my talk page?

Daniel575 | (Talk)

I don't understand why it won't work. I already tried a few modifications with brackets, a | in between etc, but it keeps moving the ]] after Daniel575 back to the end of the signature. --Daniel575 15:36, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I assume that you checked the 'raw signature' box? That would be the most obvious culprit.--  digital  _  me   04:22, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

No, I didn't. Also, it shows up like this: Daniel575 | ([[User_talk:Daniel575|Talk)]] Notice that the first ]] get moved to the end of the signature. I have no clue why this is happening. Could you, or anyone else who has a link to their talk page in their signature, please copy that code you use here with nowiki tags around it? --Daniel575 15:14, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, not checking the "raw signature" box would be the culprit. I've got your sig to work find then.--Rayc | (Talk) 03:07, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Let's give it a try... --Daniel575 | (Talk) 15:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * IT WORKS!!!! Thanks! --Daniel575 | (Talk) 15:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there a way to automatically attach your signature to edits? Pedmands | (Talk)
 * Try adding four tildes (like this: ~ ) Titoxd 05:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

=24-30 September, 2006=

Yale University to post courses on Web for free
CNN is reporting that Yale University to post courses on Web for free. Maybe we can use them as a guide for creating our "courses" --Rayc 17:44, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Mechanical Engineering [edit]
I'm studying Mechanical Engineering at the University of Cairo. I've got a lot of courses, lectures, notes, materials....etc. Anyone else here is intersted in Mechanical Engineering? I want to add these courses to the School of Mech. Engineering in Wikiversity. --Moo7a 01:16, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Retrieved from "http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Wikiversity_talk:Colloquium"

Barnstars and Userboxes
Will and/or should the concepts of barnstars and userboxes that are used on Wikipedia be developed and used in Wikiversity? -- Mathboy965 16:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Right now we have Image:Barnstar.png which has had a small amount of use. I hope that all barnstars and userboxes for Wikiversity will be oriented towards support for our online community and its educational mission. Any userboxes that become distractions from the Wikiversity mission or tools for dividing the community will be evaluated as candidates for deletion like any other Wikiversity pages that do not contribute to Wikiversity. (The preceding unsigned comment was added by JWSchmidt (talk • contribs) -- sebmol ? 17:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC).)
 * We've also got, and  .--  digital  _  me   23:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

How to create lessons
Hey,

I'm currently writing a bunch of tutorials for Flash ActionScript. I just wanted to know the protocol for seperating Lessons, how to create them, how to link them, etc...

Thanks, --Ravenstorm 01:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You can try anything you like. You might want to check if these are of use to you: Template:Learning project boilerplate, Template:Stream boilerplate. --JWSchmidt 01:46, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

= 3-9 September, 2006 =

Capitalization
One comment I haven't seen anyone make: We probably should use "sentence style" capitalization (i.e., capitalize only first word and proper nouns thereafter) as much as is reasonable. Thus: Lesson:In statics the sum of the forces is equal to zero (for example) instead of Lesson:In Statics the Sum of the Forces is Equal to Zero (however, in this particular case, I would opt for a much shorter title — say: Lesson:Sum of the forces equals zero, or even: Lesson:Net force equals zero). Using "title style" capitalization is just asking for trouble because of the inevitable confusion that will arise over what words should be capitalized (for example, in the "title case" version of the example page, "is" should be capitalized, even though it's a short word, since it's a verb). - dcljr 22:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. --Rogerhc 00:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This sounds good, so I suggest you propose it at Wikiversity talk:Naming conventions. --Draicone (talk) 08:51, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

=17-23 September, 2006=

how i can become a programmer through wikiversity
i am raghunandanan from tavanur,malappuram,kerala,india i want to become a programmer my present job is not interesting and i cant meat my expenses with it my english language is poor please help me my email is raghumadampath (at) gmail.com

 * Well, we do have a pretty good start at Topic:Computer Programming, but not so much of a start at Wikiversity translations--Rayc 17:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

There is no royal road to becoming a programmer. You have to learn how to solve problems, and then practice, practice, practice. There are many materials available on the net - look around, do the exercises, teach yourself! --WiseWoman 20:35, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Recommend you start with the Python language. It is free. There are lots of people using it and many websites with help. Harvey 02:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

 * I've recently been in discussions with members (developers) of the KDE community, who are interested in putting a lot of their training materials onto Wikiversity. I would hope that other programming communities (including, of course, MediaWiki) will do likewise, and this is, in fact, a key motivation for the KDE community - to have an interrelatable series of materials on various aspects of programming, so that people can flick between basics and advanced, or different programming languages, according to their learning needs. This intuitively seems like something Wikiversity could be extremely useful for as it develops. I'd encourage anybody with even the most basic skills - or even questions - to start from the above-mentioned page on computer programming, and get involved in the appropriate content or discussion pages. Cormaggio 21:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

How to delete picture files?
I uploaded some graphics to the page I am working on. When I needed to change one of them, I found I had to upload it again under a different name. How can I delete the one that is no longer used?

I found it very awkward to upload a graphic while editing a page. There seemed to be no way back to my editing page after doing the upload. I had to hit the browser's back button many times to go back to work. Did I miss something?

Harvey 03:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

 * If you want to make a new version of an image try using the "Upload a new version of this file" link on the image's page. A good way to find a page you have been working on is to use the "My contributions" link (near the upper right corner of the page). If you really want a page to be deleted you can list it at Request custodian action --JWSchmidt 03:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Because of the nature of a wiki, if you want to upload an image, just save your page where its at, then head to the Upload File section, upload your image and go back to the article. If you click 'my contributions' (or similar) in the top right hand corner you can see a quick list of the last 50 things you've done (if less than 50, everything you've done) on wikiversity. If you want an image deleted, visit Request custodian action as JWSchmidt suggested, but keep in mind that if there is nothing inherently bad about the image (suitable for the wiki in general, no copyright violation, may possibly serve a purpose in the future) we will err towards keeping it. (Of course, if it is your image and you have taken/created it, we will probably delete it on request). --Draicone (talk) 09:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! The "upload a new version" is an excellent solution, but it did not work for me. The picture remained the same even though it said the uploaded replacement was successful.

I knew how to upload but found it very inconvenient to go through all the steps. Finally found it convenient to have both the page I'm working on and the upload page open at the same time in two tabs of Firefox. Recommended! Harvey 03:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * Similar situation
 * I had a similar situation with "upload a new version". The first time I did it, the picture was not changed (or changed by much) but uploading it a second time worked.  With another picture, it uploaded a new version correctly the first time.  It seems to be a hit and miss situation.  Robert Elliott 06:02, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

 * If they are given the same name, it's possible that the old image was cached by your browser, making it an out of date local file problem, not an upload problem. If you have that problem again, I suggest reloading the page or checking with another browser.  Mariehuynh 07:05, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

= 24-30 September, 2006 =

IRColloquium
I've been putting of putting this here, since I feel like I don't have enough time to do this, but for your approval:IRColloquium. It's aim is to work just like this page, only in real time. I was inspired by a user who came to the IRC channel looking for help with limits, and I was able to point him to Calculus/limits. Others, like Robert Horning, have previously proposed running classes on IRC. This takes it one step back, to see if IRC meetings with set times and topics can work on a project that is global while at the same time improving the wiki. In my head I can see like 5 years down the road where school IRC help rooms are perpetually manned staffed by people looking for help, on wiki colaberations will ave brainstorming meetings, and real time tutoring will take place.

Right now, what is needed is a time, day, duration, and ideas for how it could be run.--Rayc 15:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Personally, I'd like to access IRC channels without revealing what my home IP address is. I'm most concerned about my privacy, but other than that, I think it's a great idea. --HappyCamper 03:06, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We should see if we can get Wikiversity cloaks for IRC freenode. --JWSchmidt 03:21, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikinews has this link live chat on the top of there page. Does that hide IPs?--Rayc 02:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * How do you tell? --HappyCamper 04:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * /whois [yournick-orwhoeverelses] from another client. Checking right now. --Draicone (talk) 05:29, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It hides the user's IP address under a very random mask (i=3ba7d949@gateway/web/cgi-irc/wikinews/x-00b0e1213c0525fe). --Draicone (talk) 05:32, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So how do we redirect it to our channel?--Rayc 15:23, 6 October 2006 (UTC)


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Welcome new users
Hi Indech, thanks for helping with the welcoming of new user, but be carefull, it is Wikiversities policy to delete permanantly banned users userpages, so User talk:V0alaz was supposed to be left blank, and older ones such as User talk:RadioKirk should be left blank. Thanks, and keep up the good work! - Trevor MacInnis 03:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

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User talk:Ricmat~enwikiversity

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User talk:Radio Kirk~enwikiversity

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Control structures

Course Navigation

Flow Control Overview
A control structure is like a block of programming that analyses variables and chooses a direction in which to go based on given parameters. The term flow control details the direction the program takes (which way program control "flows"). Hence it is the basic decision-making process in computing; It is a prediction.

Basic Terminologies
Those initial conditions and parameters are called preconditions. Preconditions are the state of variables before entering a control structure. Based on those preconditions, the computer runs an algorithm (the control structure) to determine what to do. The result is called a post condition. Post conditions are the state of variables after the algorithm is run.

An Example
Let us analyse flow control by using traffic flow as a model. A vehicle is arriving at an intersection. Thus, the precondition is the vehicle is in motion. Suppose the traffic light at the intersection is red. The control structure must determine the proper course of action to assign to the vehicle.

 * Precondition: The vehicle is in motion.
 * Treatments of Information through Control Structures
 * Is the traffic light green? If so, then the vehicle may stay in motion.
 * Is the traffic light red? If so, then the vehicle must stop.
 * End of Treatment
 * Post condition: The vehicle comes to a stop.

Thus, upon exiting the control structure, the vehicle is stopped.

can also be form as a structure

IF-THEN Statement
The IF-THEN statement is a simple control that tests whether a condition is true or false. The condition can include a variable, or be a variable. If the variable is an integer 2, it will be true, because any number that is not zero will be true. If the condition is true, then an action specified within the "THEN" statement occurs. If the condition is false, nothing is done. To illustrate:

 * IF variable is true
 * THEN take this course of action.

If the variable indeed holds a value consistent with being true, then the course of action is taken. If the variable is not true, then there is no course of action taken.

IF-THEN-ELSE Statement
IF-THEN statements test for only one action. With an IF-THEN-ELSE statement, the control can "look both ways" so to speak, and take a secondary course of action if the conditional statement is not true. If the condition is true, then an action occurs. If the condition is false, an alternate action specified in the "ELSE" statement occurs. To illustrate:

 * IF variable is true
 * THEN take this course of action
 * ELSE call another routine

In this case, if the variable is true, the program takes a certain course of action and completely skips the ELSE clause. If the variable is false, the control structure calls a routine and completely skips the THEN clause.

Note that you can combine ELSE's with other IF's, allowing several tests to be made. In an IF-THEN-ELSEIF-THEN-ELSEIF-THEN-ELSEIF-THEN structure, tests will stop as soon as the program finds a condition that is true. That's why you'd probably want to put the most "likely" test first, for efficiency (Remembering that ELSE's are skipped if the first condition is true, meaning that the remaining portions of the IF-THEN-ELSEIF... would not be processed). eg:

 * In case your computer doesn't start
 * IF a floppy disk is in the drive
 * THEN remove it and restart
 * ELSE IF you don't have any OS installed
 * THEN install an OS
 * ELSE call the hotline

You can have as many ELSE IF's as you like.

By contrast, you can also place multiple IF-THEN statements in succession to check for every conditional. By this method, the program will not stop evaluating subsequent conditionals when it finds one that is true.

WHILE and DO-WHILE Loops
A WHILE loop is a process in which a loop is initiated until a condition has been met. This structure is useful when performing iterative instructions to satisfy a certain parameter. To illustrate:

 * Precondition: variable X is equal to 1
 * WHILE X is not equal to 9
 * Add 1 to X

This routine will add 1 to X until X is equal to 9, at which point the control structure will quit and move on to the next instruction. Note that when the structure quits, it will not execute the Add function: when X is equal to 9, it will skip over the clause that is attached to the WHILE. This instruction is useful if a parameter needs to be tested repeatedly before acceptance. In the above example, if X is already equal to or greater than 9 when the program reaches the WHILE loop, the program will entirely skip the loop.

DO-WHILE Loops
A DO-WHILE loop is nearly the exact opposite to a WHILE loop. A WHILE loop initially checks to see if the parameters have been satisfied before executing an instruction. A DO-WHILE loop executes the instruction before checking the parameters. To illustrate:

 * DO Add 1 to X
 * WHILE X is not equal 9

As you can see, the example differs from the first illustration, where the DO action is taken before the WHILE. The WHILE is inclusive in the DO. As such, if the WHILE results in a false (X is equal to 9), the control structure will break and will not perform another DO. Note that if X is equal to or greater than 9 prior to entering the DO-WHILE loop, then the loop will never terminate.

FOR Loops
A FOR loop is an extension of a while loop which iterates for a predetermined length. A for loop usually has three commands. The first is used to set a starting point (like x = 0). The second is the end condition (same as in a while loop) and is run every round. The third is also run every round and is usually used to modify a value used in the condition block.

 * FOR X is 0. X is less than 10. add 1 to X.

This loop would be run 10 times (x being 0 to 9) so you won't have to think about the X variable in the loop, you can just put code there. Here is a while loop that does the same:

 * X is 0
 * WHILE X is less than 10
 * add 1 to X

Some programming languages also have a for each loop which will be useful when working with arrays (and collections). A for each loop is an even more automated while loop that cycles through array's and such. Example :

 * FOR EACH student IN students
 * give a good mark to student

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Operators and expressions

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Assignment and Typing
Assignment is setting a value to a variable. Like common mathematics, most languages use a simple equals sign (there are exceptions, e.g. in Pascal, the ":=" operator is used for assignment)

a = 5 blah = "A string"

Note that, in statically typed languages, you cannot change the type of a declared variable at run-time, e.g. :

int a = 5 // We declare a variable "a" of type integer a = "Blah" // ERROR ! "a" type can't be changed to a String ! is invalid in C, C++ and Java.

Dynamically typed languages, such as Python, Ruby, and most scripting languages (e.g. Lua) don't have this limitation, and allow automatic conversions between strings and numbers according to defined rules. "Traditional" programmers sometimes think that dynamically typed languages leads to a worse design, but in the end which language you should use is a matter of personal tastes and the requirements for your project.

Arithmetic Operations
The simple operations like additions and subtraction are exactly the same as in common math. a = 2 + 5 (a equals 7)

b = 4 - 3 (b equals 1)

For operations like multiplication and division, the operators are slightly different than standard mathematics, to avoid confusion with other symbols. Multiplication is denoted by an asterisk (*), division by a slash (/), and modulus by a percent sign (%).

m = 3 * 5 (m equals 15)

d = 20 / 5 (d equals 4)

r = 16 % 3 (r equals 1, since 16 / 3 = 5 with remainder of 1.)

While some rare languages may use different symbols for some operations (e.g. BASIC uses the keyword MOD ), these symbols are the most well known.

Most popular programming languages interpret arithmetic operators in the same way they are interpreted mathematically (notable exceptions being Smalltalk and APL). Often, the order can be explicitly set using parentheses, as well. x = 1 + 2 * 3 (x equals 7)

x = 1 + (2 * 3) (the same as above, but using parentheses)

x = (1 + 2) * 3 (x equals 9, since 1 + 2 is performed before the multiplication by 3)

Boolean Expressions
Boolean refers to expressions that can take either a "true" or a "false" value. Since computers are electrical in nature, true usually takes on the value of flowing current, or the numeric value 1, while false is the absence of current, denoted as a 0.

The following table illustrates how the values can be combined to achieve results. In an AND expression, both expressions must be true for the evaluation to be true, while in an OR expression either or both values being true will cause the evaluation to be true. XOR means "exclusive OR", it will be true only if one OR the other, but NOT both are true.

NOT is the inversion, or opposite, of the input value. This makes a true value false, and a false value true. Common operators for NOT in programming languages are "!" and "~".

!0 == 1 !1 == 0

By combining these elements in various ways, we are able to make fairly complex decisions break down to true or false values.

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User talk:Kang~enwikiversity

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User talk:Shrenik~enwikiversity

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Wikiversity talk:Civility

policy in a nutshell
I suggest an addition to This policy in a nutshell:

 * Being rude, insensitive or petty makes people upset and prevents Wikiversity from working properly. Try to discourage others from being uncivil, and be careful to avoid offending people unintentionally. If you did though, apologize.

It is always helpful to have a clear guideline, especially if something went wrong.

Also later on the page, I'd suggest to add: 'If you happend to have offended someone, apologize. Remove the offense, if possible, and keep the apology. Do not expect others to act likewise, though.' Thanks for your consideration. --Purodha 16:08, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Nice bullet suggestion Purodha! I boldly added it to the "Reducing the Impact" section with a couple of minor changes.  Please check the bullet and tweak it if you have better wording or structure.  Mirwin 02:28, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Voting on Official Policy Status
The vote for this policy took place here. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 21:23, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Addition
I propose that the use of straw men be listed as an example of incivility. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 21:26, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If no one is opposed, I'll add it. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 18:00, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Note (removed from main page)
Editorial Note: This draft proposed policy is an attempt to allow heated factions a chance to go separate editing ways within the database during a cooling off period. Unlike an encyclypedia a learning institution can have multiple versions of material diverging as opposing factions get their logical arguments, references, assumed facts, and assumptions lined out. Please explore and express your opinion by voting here of this as a standard practice to help manage and reduce unnecessary strife. This note is not yet part of this policy proposal and should be deleted if the above link goes inactive. Mirwin 06:10, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Relics?
A few of the suggestions were imported from Wikipedia, and seem to be in the formative/suggestive stage, and more appropriate for discussion than official policy. Examples: I recommend such examples be removed from the policy. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 21:11, 25 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Block certain users from editing specific pages that often trigger incivility
 * Create and enforce a new rule — based on use of certain words — that will allow temporary blocking or banning an editor using them more than a certain number of times.
 * Filter emails by the offender, or filter mail based on certain keywords and reject emails to the Wikiversity mailing list with those words

Name-calling
While current policy already implies this, I recommend we explicitly add "name-calling" as an example under "Personal Attacks" in this policy. The Jade Knight (d'viser) 16:49, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

 * I would be inclined to agree. --mikeu talk 21:23, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Privatemusing using a fact on Jimbo Wales' comment
Even though Wikiversity is often considered to be a more mellowed and civil place than Wikipedia, in the spirit of pan-wikimedianism, as far as I can tell, putting a fact on someone else's comment is not "rude" (i.e. un-civil) or "vandalism" in the Wikimedia world unless that person happens to be Jimbo Wales.. I am surprised that my objective documentation of the status quo is described as "unhelpful", nonsense and "a silly attack on Jimbo" by User:Adambro.

It is very difficult to live in a place where the rules are arbitrary.

Adambro, my simple request is that you slow down and check your facts and talk to other Wikiversitians before you make any judgement and take any action. I hope that wouldn't be considered as unhelpful, nonsense or a silly attack on you. Best regards, Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 17:39, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

 * Stuff like this has no place in what should be serious policy. There's not a lot more for me to say. Adambro 17:52, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

 * You may be right, but we are here to talk. Let the events tell the story and the community be the judge.  Enough said. Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 18:00, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

 * It was inappropriate and Privatemusings knows it was. We are not Wikipedia, nor will we be Wikipedia. Comparisons between the two are not apt. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:10, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * "It was inappropriate and Privatemusings knows it was." <-- I was tempted to insert into that statement, but I'll ask here: Why was it inappropriate? --JWSchmidt 18:26, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
 * You do not edit other people's comments. Ottava Rima (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

title: Wikiversity talk:Civility