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Wikiversity talk:Technical needs

Thanks for recent work and ideas
Thanks to all who have contributed ideas to this page recently - it's bounced well back from the doldrums! I'd like to thank McCormack in particular for structuring this in a very practical way. So, I'll ask a practical question - what does it take to get an extension approved? Cormaggio talk 22:20, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmm... eliminating hard stops with double/triple (quad+?) redirects
Perhaps with double/triple redirects, instead of just redirecting to the next redirect page and stopping there, the server could redirect users the final destination page and list the steps of the redirects in a similar fashion to how multiple subpages are currently displayed combined with how a single redirect is currently handled, if that makes sense. Now is this a technical need, or something else? Feature request? --Remi 07:41, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Mmm, I really don't know. But this just underlines for me that we need to have a dialogue with the developers - if even to ascertain whether something is a problem that needs to be fixed (or whether a solution already exists), whether an extension is necessary, what it would take to implement a solution, etc, etc. I don't generally tend to get much (if any) feedback on the wikitech-l mailing list or on IRC whenever I ask - and this itself strikes me as a real problem.. Cormaggio talk 10:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

GroupWikiBase
It is a mediawiki extension for access control. I don't know where to put it, so I just dump it here. :-) Hillgentleman|Talk 06:45, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Quiz, multiple choice
I propose a template and tag system for multiple choice tests that can be extracted from the wiki pages used to generate them. (See bug #17129) --fasten 21:06, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Warm up
OK, guys. I am just looking for personnel who can help. So if there are more techical needs or ideas. Lets place them in here.--Juan de Vojníkov 23:24, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

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Welcome
Hello Anglicized irish john, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold, and see you around Wikiversity! Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  00:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

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Wikiversity talk:List of custodian mentors

Making this list more useful
As Wikiversity has aged, a number of names on this list are no longer active, which is not helpful to newcomers seeking a mentor. I propose periodically updating the list to reflect activity. I'm not suggesting removing people - merely reordering the list and/or rearranging the page so that newcomers can see which custodians are really active and in touch with present-day Wikiversity. --McCormack 07:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Rearrangement of March 2008
I examined the recent edit histories of all mentors from the beginning of the year.
 * Remi: over 2000 edits; most active custodian.
 * SB_Johnny: over 1500 edits; about the same as Erkan.
 * Erkan_Yilmaz: over 1500 edits; about the same as SBJ.
 * McCormack: over 900 edits.
 * Cormaggio: about 400 edits, fairly evenly paced.
 * JWSchmidt: about 400 edits, but almost all before he went away in mid-January.
 * HappyCamper: less than 50, and almost inactive since January.
 * Michael_Billington: less than 50; very few last year as well, apart from work on open proxies.
 * Sebmol: 10 edits this year.
 * Robert_Horning: no edits since May 2007.

It would be a difficult call to know exactly where to put the cut-off point for "activity" in relation to mentorship. The first 6 on the list are clearly active. HappyCamper seems to be an "interested" Wikiversitarian even if not particularly active, and Michael Billington is around on IRC even if not editing much. Perhaps others can comment? --McCormack 07:51, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Rearranging sounds fine - would also be good if the mentors write a short statement, Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  10:03, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Should the bar be set higher for mentoring?
The "3-month" criterion may have sounded good in 2006, but as Wikiversity has aged, custodians have come and (almost) gone and perhaps changed their mentalities from the time they were elected. In particular, we now have custodians who have almost no interest in the project whatsoever. I feel that some sort of additional criterion should be added to ensure that mentors are really only custodians who are seriously involved with Wikiversity. --McCormack 10:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Personally I think the 3-month criterion is a bit arbitrary. For example, I'd be fine with User:Mu301 mentoring someone right now (even though he's only been Custodian a short time), but would not be comfortable with, e.g. User:Robert Horning mentoring someone because we haven't seen him in ages. Maybe we should just do "open RFAs" for mentors, which would allow mentors to receive community approval and still maintain the buffer between new candidates and political processes. --SB_Johnny | talk 12:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I have no problem with the 3-month criterion, and it's not the length of time that I feel needs changing. In fact, almost the reverse. The problem with inactive custodians increases with their age, although it is not just a problem with age. I'm looking at whether there is some kind of additional criterion which could look (somehow) at current activity and commitment. --McCormack 12:54, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * What's an "open RfA"? Sounds like it might solve both this problem and the one below. Can you describe what you mean? --McCormack 13:23, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Elections. I wouldn't support them for applicants that find mentors, but it's always been an "unwritten rule" that an applicant could choose this path if no mentor was willing to take them on. What I meant was that we could ask community consensus to appoint a mentor, though upon thinking of it we might be even better off just keeping a very low bar for b'cratship, and use that election to appoint mentors (there's nothing inherently wrong with having 50 b'crats running around). --SB_Johnny | talk 13:43, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Making mentors and bureaucrats the same thing is an interesting idea, and I'm thinking through the consequences: I'm interested in educating good custodians, so I guess I'd have to go for bureaucrat (which isn't to my taste, but if I have to...); I don't think Remi is really that interested in mentoring - but perhaps Erkan? We'd need at least 2 or 3 more bureaucrats just to keep the existing active mentors, with perhaps more down the line. Is this good? And it doesn't really deal with the problem I originally brought up, which is the question of (temporary) retirement through relative inactivity. Unsure. --McCormack 14:11, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * I'm confused. Johnny, are you proposing that the community could appoint a mentor, even after that mentor has refused? This strikes me as unfair on the mentor (though perhaps you're saying that a mentor can be nominated through the voting period, and where the mentor was happy with this - in which case I support this). However, I don't see how conflating mentors and bureaucrats makes sense (even though I think we need more bureaucrats - and McCormack, I'd be happy to nominate you). But as McCormack says, it seems that this conflation wouldn't make any difference to the underlying issue of people becoming inactive. It seems to me that if any custodian is prepared to mentor a potential custodian, they should be able to do so (with flexibility in the 3-month rule) - the bureaucrats could then decide if the mentoring has been positive, and whether the 'mentee' should be made a full custodian, or whether a further period of mentoring might be necessary. So basically, I don't agree with raising the bar. :-) Cormaggio talk 14:59, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * yup, I am interested in mentoring, otherwise I would remove my name from the list. How about asking the incative mentors by mail/user page also ? Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  15:49, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

We should also not forget what the goal here is at Wikiversity: learning. Even if we have unexperienced mentors the mentoring system can also be seen as learning experience for them: taking responsibility. Why should this be learned outside this virtual space (only) ? Getting to know more of the facets of WV. So in my opinion the bar should be as it is or even lower. When a custodian wants to take more responsibility we should give her/him the possibility. There are enough custodians around to detect problems. And I am sure that at the appointment period there will be more eyes watching, Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  16:42, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yep - this is echoing my thoughts entirely. :-) Cormaggio talk 17:19, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I forgot to indent my comment, sorry :-( Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  17:21, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The concept of "learning by doing" is a little too basic for my liking; I prefer the idea of a bit of advance training thrown in as well, which is the idea behind the How to be a Wikimedia sysop learning project (which you are all invited to join in the role of tutors, by the way). --McCormack 18:46, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Joined, Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  21:10, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Should there be wider discussion of a candidate before a mentor accepts them?
This particular question was precipitated by the speed with which SB_Johnny accepted Terra as a candidate (less than an hour!), but goes back to previous occasions as well when an individual mentor has jumped at a candidate with no community discussion. While Terra has some edit records which appeal to my own view of what a candidate should do, I think that the community should have a greater opportunity to think about potential candidates before a mentor is secured. Terra is virtually unknown to any of us, and appears to be extremely new to all Wikimedia projects. While I don't know of any potential problems with Terra, hastily accepted requests in the past have ignored problems known to people other than the mentor. On the whole I would suggest that there should be a 5-day period before mentorship begins to allow at least a basic discussion of the underlying merits. Put it another way: why are these no-big-deal relaxed laissez-faire mentors always in such a hurry? Consensus is formed s-l-o-w-l-y and speed disrupts things. --McCormack 10:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, keep in mind that I invited him, so was expecting the request. I had already gone through his contribs on various projects, including deleted contributions and so on on WP (he does new page patrol there, so lots of deleted contribs from deleted articles). IMO, anyone with a good contrib history on multiple projects, and has helpful contribs here should of course have use of the tools so they can be even more helpful. Custodianship is nothing but posession of a mop, and if it seems clear enough that someone would make good use of the mop, why not give them the mop? Making a political thing out of it is what has led to so many problems on Wikipedia and to a lesser extent Wikibooks and other projects.
 * As JWSchmidt has said here and there, it's the mentor's choice whether to put their ass on the line. I'm perfectly willing to do so in this case, because I strongly support making multi-project contributors feel welcomed and valued. --SB_Johnny | talk 12:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Hi SBJ. Please don't feel negatively criticised. My real point is: just take things slowly and carefully, because that's always a much better way towards consensus. When things move fast, the speed alone can alienate. --McCormack 12:52, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * No worries, mate... never a doubt on where your heart is! Just keep in mind that we can do our "vetting" over the 1-month mentorship period, which is plenty of time to learn how a custodian will rise to the tasks. Giving the tools without fuss is a sign of our good faith in the applicant, and assuming good faith is one of our most important tenets. Politicizing the process inevitably brings about an erosion of that tenet. --SB_Johnny | talk 13:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Politics is just an inherent part of sociality - what we're doing here (discussing how decisions are made) is a political process. Of course, I know what you mean here, but I would put it another way - I think adminship is fetishised on WP, rather than politicised. (Guess who's writing an academic paper at the moment - I'll shut up now :-)) "Multi-project contributors" - I think we should have a barnstar with the WMF logo on it - does such a thing exist? Cormaggio talk 15:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * If you're writing a paper on adminship, then please feel welcome to attach a copy to How to be a Wikimedia sysop. --McCormack 15:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Nice initiative - thanks McCormack! I'll add suggestions to the page/talk page... (And no, btw, my paper is on "collaborative research in Wikiversity" - it's for Wikimania.) Cormaggio talk 17:25, 15 March 2008 (UTC)


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How to be a Wikimedia sysop

This learning project can help you learn how to be a Wikimedia sysop (wiki administrator).

The topic of "how to be a Wikimedia sysop" is one which engenders a great deal of emotion among some people, so please be patient while this project develops, or if you need to blow off steam, use the |talk page. Thank you!

Purpose of this course
Newcomers to Wikimedia Foundation wiki projects are often filled with enthusiasm at the start and often feel they would like to contribute on the administrative side as well as on the content creation side. The openness of Wikimedia projects is inviting to newcomers. Back in the early days of Wikipedia, rules and conventions were fewer and the paths to full involvement shorter and easier. As time has gone by, Wikipedia and some of its sister projects have become awesome monoliths of bureaucracy (at least to the outside eye) and it is much more difficult to become fully and deeply involved.

This development is really nothing different from what one sees in other fields of knowledge and ability. In the ancient days of computing, most programmers were self-taught and it didn't really take a lot to become famous. These days you need several years of carefully structured training even to get a modest income. Like it or not, with Wikipedia at over 4 million articles and the #6 internet website by traffic, the days of training for Wikipedia are here. All other fields of special abilities and knowledge are like this, beginning with autodidacts and maturing with educational programmes in which experience is accumulated and passed on to maximize the efficiency and quality of each subsequent generation.

The most obvious side of training is, of course, training editors to be editors: e.g., how to
 * 1) make your first edit
 * 2) create bulleted and numbered lists
 * 3) sign your name
 * 4) use a template, etc.
 * 5) For more info, see this page

Wikiversity aims to develop an extensive range of tutorials for wiki participants, and will hopefully become a place where other Wikimedia Foundation projects send their new participants.

Giving people administrative tools can be a good thing. People may feel like their fellow participants trust and respect them. The added responsibility may give them a sense of pride. They may also feel they have a greater stake in the success of a wiki which can encourage them to become more involved, stay longer, and contribute more. Being a good administrator can also be incredibly difficult. Peers can often be highly critical of the decisions made. Peers often feel that they would have done a better job or made better decisions. This can cause administrators to feel alienated from their peers. Keeping yourself enthusiastic, optimistic, and uncritical can be extremely difficult to achieve, even on small wikis.

Status of this course
This course is optional! Whether this course will contribute towards your personal goals is entirely up to you. This course does not confer or guarantee responsibilities - but it may transfer ability. Nobody should feel that they have to take this course in order to obtain sysop tools or other tools on any Wikimedia project. Nor should you think that taking this course somehow guarantees that your fellow peers will support you receiving sysop tools.

Constructive criticism of this learning concept
There is a school of thought at Wikimedia which tries hard to retain the original amateurishness of sysop status. People who follow this school of thought may make comments such as "...is no big deal" (implying anyone from off the street can do it) and will find it hard to conceive of or accept how anyone could train sysops. There are perhaps other schools of thought with opinions about sysops. As a part of this course, representatives of these schools should be given an opportunity to express their viewpoints.

What makes a good sysop?
This is a rough sketch of the general areas which a sysop should try to cover, one way or the other.

Human resources
People matter. People are a greater asset than a wiki's content, especially in a collaborative learning environment like Wikiversity:

 * Teachers create learning materials.
 * Researchers present new ideas and information.
 * Editors improve the quality of materials.
 * Learners provide useful feedback.

You don't have to be good with people to be a sysop, but if you aren't, please try your best to stay away from people-related tasks. People-related tasks include:

 * 1) Orientating and having sympathy with newcomers
 * 2) Retaining, supporting and encouraging established participants
 * 3) Feeling out and developing consensus and expressing where you think consensus lies
 * 4) Defusing heated conflict between participants

Staying away from people related tasks is often easier said then done. While on many wiki's having sysop tools does not give any special editorial control over content, this fact is frequently misunderstood by other editors. It is easy in the course of an ordinary disagreement about the content of a resource for users without sysop status to feel that a sysop is pulling rank. If you ever feel this is the case it is best to remind the other editors involved that you have no special privileges. This can require a lot of maturity from the sysop in particularly difficult disagreements.

Technical abilities
Knowing how the MediaWiki software works and being a good editor. Sysops don't have to be techies, but if you aren't, try to recognize this and ask those who know better (make sure you know who the technically good people are). Nonetheless, you should probably master the most basic technical tasks, such as those associated with recent changes patrolling, and make sure your core editing skills are high. Techie tasks include:

 * 1) Knowing how the sysop tools work:
 * 2) * Rollback: Be careful. Let's say that a user makes four edits to one page, but only the last edit is vandalism. If you use rollback it will remove all four edits by that user back to the last version edited by someone else. In this case you would want to use Undo instead. The other occasionally tricky thing with rollback is that you're not really sure what the version you're returning to looks like, and on rare occasions you might revert back to a version that was vandalized already by another user (or even the same user if they have a shifting IP). That's more often a problem on Wikipedia than Wikiversity though... Wikipedia has a lot more vandals.
 * 3) * Deleting
 * 4) * Blocking
 * 5) * Protecting: There are certain templates that are targets of vandals, for instance inserting a crude message or image in welcome Take a look at the log edit summary to get an idea of how it has been used in the past. A short protection might be used if there is an edit war, but you would need to think about that one carefully. Would it really cool off a heated argument or make it worse? Protection may also have been used a couple times to prevent recreating pages that were deleted as being outside the scope of the wiki. Advertising, for example. Also, click on the Protect tab and read the comments in the drop down box which are some of the common reasons. Notice also that there are options like Block New and Unregistered Users from editing which can be used to prevent vandalism, while allowing existing users to continue working on the page. You can also specify a short duration that is longer than the attention span of a vandal.
 * 6) * Revision deletion: Page edit histories and action logs can have specific entries deleted. This reduces transparency and is only to be used in very specific situations, such as serious libel, highly offensive material, identity outing etc.
 * 7) Templates
 * 8) Style sheets (the CSS things) (sitewide ones are handled by Interface administrators)
 * 9) Bots (a rare skill)
 * 10) System messages

Organisational skills

 * 1) Categorisation
 * 2) Tagging
 * 3) Archiving
 * 4) and other organisational issues

Hybrid skills
Being both a people person and a techie is a difficult thing. If you can combine them, it's good.
 * 1) Advising on the use of the wiki
 * 2) Recognizing the subtle differences between good and bad faith edits and knowing how to deal with this in a manner which strengthens rather than weakens community

Problem solving skills

 * 1) Communication options
 * 2) Key policies
 * 3) Good practices
 * 4) Not so good practices
 * 5) Possible actions:
 * 6) * Administrative templates
 * 7) * Undoing
 * 8) * Reverting / rollback
 * 9) * Deleting
 * 10) * Protecting
 * 11) * Blocking
 * 12) * Oversight

Fun and enthusiasm

 * All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. -- proverb

You might be wondering, what does having fun and enthusiasm have to do with being a good sysop? Sysops are volunteers, and like any volunteer, sysops need to stay motivated. Remember to have fun. Having fun is a good way for sysops to stay motivated and enthusiastic about a wiki. If a sysop works too hard the work can become dull and boring.

Content
The general idea behind this course is that it should be an active teaching and learning process with real interaction between experienced and inexperienced users. Within their time availability, the initial concept is that tutors will involve students in regular learning and maintenance activities and provide them with feedback on their performance. Learn more...

Current tutors
It is proposed to have a clear division among participants between tutors and students, where tutors are experienced sysops and bureaucrats from Mediawiki (and especially Wikimedia) projects. It is further proposed that there should be no one-to-one relationship of tutor to student - a team-teaching concept is preferred. This is different from mentorship of custodian candidates, which is a one-to-one thing. In team-teaching, all tutors are collectively involved with all students.

 * SB_Johnny
 * Jtneill
 * mikeu

Current students
New students can add themselves here. Use a *-list.

 * Add your name here with --~

Graduated students
Credits and externally recognized certificates are not awarded for this course, but for those who have successfully participated, the tutors will, in general, be willing to support a subsequent admin or custodian request, citing the student's successful participation. Please do not add yourself here - you will be added by a tutor in the course of time.

 * User:Jtneill has been certified by me as having successfully participated in this project. User:Jtneill is further recommended to become a tutor on this project. --McCormack 08:09, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * User:Gbaor did a great job as well. --McCormack 06:51, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Sysop terminology
At Wikiversity we call sysops or admins "custodians". This is an unusual term, and as this course caters for projects all over Wikimedia (and outside it as well), a more general term is preferred. In the MediaWiki software itself, the internal programming term for the status is sysop, which is therefore the term which will be used in this course.

Wikibooks

 * MediaWiki Administrator's Handbook

Wikipedia

 * Wikipedia:Administrators
 * Wikipedia:New admin school
 * Wikipedia:Admin coaching

Wikiversity

 * Custodianship
 * /Wikiversity
 * Category:Wikiversity custodianship

MediaWiki/Meta/Wikimedia

 * m:Meta:Administrators
 * mw:Manual:Administrators

Miscellaneous

 * List of learning resources related to Wikipedia - ordered by type, including external links
 * Admintools wiki - if you don't have your own wiki to practice with, on this project anyone can become a sysop and so, you could practice with the tools there. (Note that probationary custodians on Wikiversity get provisional tools access anyway).

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The following section is a cut-and-paste of a discussion on the colloquium about sysop training. --McCormack 12:17, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The new Wikiversity Maintenance Hub and training new custodians
The background to the new Wikiversity Maintenance Hub was that I had decided to spend a lot of recent time improving navigation, and slowly migrated from introductions to other materials in the Wikiversity namespace. Finally I got into all the pages which were of use to custodians, and eventually all this evolved into something called the Wikiversity Maintenance Hub. So it was rather an accident. While doing this, it occurred to me that what was emerging would be excellent training for custodians.

The basic idea: It has occurred to me that the current custodian training programme (which we call "mentorship") is a little thin. So far as I know (correct me if I am wrong), mentors usually adopt an extremely laissez-faire approach. In general, this might not be a bad thing, but it really lets down the well-meaning candidate who lacks knowledge about where to start. Having castigated a probationary for his lack of effort myself, it then occurred to me (far too late) that it's probably our own fault for failing to show candidates where to make their efforts. The Wikiversity Maintenance Hub is an accidental and belated answer to this problem, which might help us in the future. The maintenance hub offers a great place for probationary custodians, experienced custodians and ordinary users to all get involved in Wikiversity maintenance. It pulls the whole system together so that it makes it easier and more obvious to people how they can help. You'll never run out of a task.

Custodial learning projects: the maintenance hub is not yet framed as a learning project, but that would be the next step.

First Wikiversity, then Wikipedia: following evolution into a learning project, we could then begin to offer our training programme to other Wikimedia projects. Admins on other projects could practice maintaining Wikiversity as part of (only part of) their adminship training. We would provide other wikimedia projects with training, and in return they would provide their people and some of their time, for the duration of traineeship.

And finally, the world! MediaWiki is used by lots of outside organisations. Generally visitors to such sites expect the same standards of courtesy and culture of editing as they would find at Wikimedia projects, but in practice they rarely find it. The self-appointed admin (I was one, I know!) of a self-installed MediaWiki site has no idea how to be the same as a proper Wikimedia admin. So there's a real training potential here.

So much the plan. Comments welcome. --McCormack 13:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Comments. I think it is useful to have a learning resource about maintenance tasks at Wikiversity. Sometimes people show up in IRC #wikiversity-en and want a task that they can work on for a short time. In the past I have usually told them to look at Template:Opentask. My main comments (below) are my reaction to the part of the page that is described as "a quick how-to" on how "to become a custodian" (the version currently at Wikiversity:Maintenance). In my view, the "quick how-to" does not place enough emphasis on the existing policy for custodianship which says, "Custodianship is not a big deal," and, "If you have a record of good editing then you are likely to be trusted and be granted the privileges custodians have". I suppose different people have different ideas about what constitutes "good editing". A few days after the launch of Wikiversity I made a short statement of my thoughts about what constitutes good editing and what indicates if someone should become a custodian. The key elements of my views, which have not changed are: "Wikiversity mainly needs people who can contribute to building Wikiversity content; for example, by working on learning projects," and, "custodian candidates should demonstrate (by good editing) their commitment to the Wikiversity project". Of course, the word "mainly" leaves room for other ways that custodian candidates can demonstrate commitment to Wikiversity, and I have supported candidates who have demonstrated their value and commitment to Wikiversity in a variety of ways. I think Wikiversity should make use of the available diversity in what people have to offer to this project. I am not comfortable with the idea of adopting a Wikipedia-like approach which puts an emphasis on vandal fighting or "maintenance jobs". I do not agree with the idea that, "before you even think of applying, get stuck into a lot of the maintenance jobs below which anyone can do". If we pushed this approach it would be a radical change in the nature of Wikiversity custodianship. It would shift Wikiversity towards the approach used at Wikipedia, an approach which selects for many administrators who have no interest in supporting the mission and goals of the wiki project where they have the sysop tool. The Wikipedia approach selects for people who will do a bunch of mindless tasks and then become a mindless administrator. Many such administrators have ended up disrupting the project and they have to be de-sysoped, often following ugly fights that go all the way to the ArbCom. Yes, doing "maintenance tasks" is one way to demonstrate commitment to Wikiversity, but I do not view it as the preferred way. I agree with the idea that evidence of willingness to do some boring wiki-jobs is a good trait in a custodian candidate. There are boring tasks that are a normal part of creating useful learning resources and good editors who show attention to those details of good editing demonstrate their commitment to Wikiversity. There is a range of behavior patterns among sysops from 1) sysops who use the sysop-tools as part of their routine editing to create and develop useful learning resources and 2) sysops who do little to create and develop learning resources but spend a lot of time looking for messes to clean up. Wikiversity should respect this diversity, not pretend that custodians have to adopt one specific pattern of editing. In particular, I reject the idea that Wikiversity should start following the methods of Wikipedia where good editors are not allowed to become sysops because they do not meet arbitrary requirements for participation in particular categories of "maintenance jobs". --JWS 16:28, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

 * It's really great to have this hub, and I thank McCormack profusely for his tireless work. :-) I would also like to endorse the learning aspect of custodianship - Wikiversity has explicitly adopted an apprenticeship model, which is entirely appropriate to its mission - so I would like to see this hub broadened from a set of resources to become a learning community around custodianship, where custodians and aspiring custodians can discuss common interests and current and past issues in order to help aspiring custodians figure out what happens/works/is required etc. However, I am interested in the evolving definition of custodianship - am I right in perceiving or framing the definition of custodianship as, on the one hand, a maintenance-focused role, and on the other, an indication of community trust? I know these are not really on opposite hands (as it were), but are obviously interlinked - we need to trust people to give them the custodian tools (eg. page deletion, user-blocking). But it is significant, I think, to see custodianship as more-than-maintenance - I think the renaming from "admin" to "custodian" was an indication that the role was about maintenance, rather than anything else. So, this discussion does seem to be heading towards a definition of custodianship - what it entails, the kinds of things they do, and, of course, the limits of the role. I would be keen to further this, and to start making explicit descriptions of what "custodian" means in Wikiversity - building on what John has just posted. Cormaggio talk 20:38, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "the renaming from 'admin' to 'custodian' was an indication that the role was about maintenance" <-- I was just trying to refresh my memory about this and so I looked at Wikiversity talk:Custodianship. There is some interesting stuff there. In the beginning, there was an effort to steam-line the process of creating new custodians. In fact, I'd say that a significant number of custodians have been "rushed" into "office" out of fear that we did not have enough eyes watching for vandalism. I recently saw a statement of concern about how quickly probationary custodians can be created, particularly the fact that this can involve no community discussion. Maybe it is worth looking again at the old idea that new candidates for custodianship should be subject to 5 days of community discussion before they become custodians. As I recall, a significant part of my own motivation for wanting to use a term different from "administrator" was that "administrator" has a particular meaning within formal educational institutions. I did not want people seeing the term "administrator" in the context of a website called Wikiversity and jumping to the natural conclusion that "administrator" had its conventional meaning as normally found within an educational institution. It is fairly common at Wikipedia to speak of getting access to the sysop tools as being "given the mop", meaning that you have tools that make it easy to clean up messes (in particular, rolling back or deleting vandalism). The term "custodian" seemed suitable for describing someone who has a mop. I think the choice of such a term was made in an effort to promote the idea (originally from the early years of Wikipedia) that "adminship is no big deal'. --JWSchmidt 21:47, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I could hazard a guess, but just for the sake of clarity, what is the particular meaning of "administrator" for you in formal educational institutions? Cormaggio talk 03:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The description provided here corresponds to my understanding of the term. --JWSchmidt 04:32, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Name of this project?
I have been thinking that this project should be called How to be a MediaWiki sysop rather than How to be a Wikimedia sysop. Thoughts?
 * That does sound a bit more inclusive. Perhaps it could be forked... --Remi 03:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi Remi. Good question - and one I had thought about when making the title. When Mediawiki is used outside the Wikimedia Foundation, the sysops usually run the websites in a highly authoritarian fashion (as "their" websites, which they usually are). The most crucial thing about sysop training is the human side rather the technical. The human side is something which is especially unique to the Wikimedia Foundation. However my concept is that we should be turning this "human side" or "Wikimedia culture" into a exportable product/service. People running Mediawiki as a mere technical gadget for content management can be tempted by us to "buy into" the Wikimedia culture. Put it another way: Mediawiki = technical gadget. Wikimedia = organisational culture. --McCormack 09:01, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've created a redirect for the moment. :-) John Vandenberg (chat) 04:31, 18 October 2008 (UTC)

Right-hand menu
Not sure why user:jtneill removed this. I've put it back for the time being. Please leave comment here if removing again. --McCormack 09:04, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The menu has an undesirable "wikiversity" feel to it due to the title "Administering Wikiversity" - this learning project shouldnt be just for Wikiversity, but applicable to any collaborative volunteer wiki project. John Vandenberg (chat) 04:32, 18 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree that this particular learning project might be better without the Wikiversity specific sidebar. We'd like to attract editors from other mediawiki projects, and this might confuse someone new to the site about the topic.  --mikeu talk 22:11, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

Language
It is important to add, that custodians can work on their English (or other languages).--Juandev 23:21, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

some more suggestions

 * see what can be added to "teach" probationary custodians, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Chat + Identi.ca 22:58, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

title: Talk:How to be a Wikimedia sysop


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Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War/Meetings/2008-March-15

This is the chat from our meeting on 15th March 2008 in #thucydides about Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War.

People joining the chat: Erkan Yilmaz, pietrodn, Ramac

14:42 * Erkan_Yilmaz searches for the topics for this meeting 14:43 1. Pestilence in Athens. Society breaks down. 14:43 2. Pericles saves his skin. Athenians are angry with him for the unpopular war. Pericles convinces them to struggle on and preserve their empire which is hated by other Greeks. 14:43 3. Thucydides gives a summary of the Peloponnesian War. He sees Pericles as a great leader. Athenian leaders after him blew it and missed out on an easy victory. 14:43 4. Local conflicts are becoming part of the major war: Thracians want to conquer a town, Ambraciots take revenge on the Amphilochians, Plataea doesn't trust the Thebans. 14:43 5. The view on the war becomes more pronounced by the speech of Pericles and the issue of Plataea. The Greeks are angry with the Athenians, because they use terror to subdue the Greeks. Pericles defends this terror by stating that it makes the Athenians rich and powerful, otherwise they might become the slaves of others. But even richness is not enough, serving and dying for the state is of the most importance according to Pericles, who has a distaste for easy temporary pleasures and individualism. 14:43 Thanks to Daan for these 14:45 wow 14:45 a lot of things 14:45 yeah, but we can discuss the ones you want 14:45 I have just finished reading the text :-) 14:45 I collect my notes now online: 14:46 http://de.wikiversity.org/wiki/Kurs:Der_Peloponnesische_Krieg/Notizen 14:46 it is in German 14:46 but you could use an online translation service perhaps ? 14:47 should we start the meeting Pietro ? 14:48 let's start 14:50 - Ramac joined 14:51 ciao Ramac 14:51 ciao ramac! 14:52 :)

Pestilence in Athens. Society breaks down - influence on arts
14:56 1. Pestilence in Athens. Society breaks down. 14:56 ok let's start that one 14:56 <Ramac>yeah 14:56 With the pestilence, someone gets rich 14:56 <Erkan_Yilmaz>death everywhere - that is what interest people in news 14:57 Their relatives died, so they inherited a lot of money 14:57 <Erkan_Yilmaz>yes either by relatives being heir or stealing from the dead 14:57 <Ramac>pestilence in athens! we are studying it in history of art -- lisippo, skopas... 14:57 <Ramac>:D 14:57 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Lisipo + Skopas are ... ? 14:57 People didn't know how to cure plague 14:58 <Erkan_Yilmaz>yes, that is bad :-( 14:58 <Erkan_Yilmaz>but somehow some survived 14:59 <Erkan_Yilmaz>perhaps in the future someone should have studied why this was ? but I guess during the plaque it wasn't done or not the technical needs to do so 14:59 <Ramac>he is a sculptor 14:59 <Ramac>* they are 14:59 <Erkan_Yilmaz>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysippos 15:00 <Erkan_Yilmaz>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scopas 15:00 Greeks didn't know where was the pestilence from, I think 15:00 <Ramac>:) 15:00 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Lysippos was a Greek sculptor of the 4th century BC. 15:00 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Skopas (Ancient Greek: Σκόπας; c. 395 BC-350 BC) was an Ancient Greek sculptor and architect, 15:00 Lysippos 15:00 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysippos 15:00 <Ramac>it is like the seventy-century pestilence 15:00 unilinky doesn't give the incipit :-( 15:01 <Erkan_Yilmaz>could be though we know where it came from - at least Thucydides tell so - Äthopien > Ägypten > Lybien > Persien > Piräus > Athen 15:01 <Erkan_Yilmaz>so what have the sculptors to do with the pestilence ? 15:01 <Ramac>Erkan_Yilmaz: it is the same period :) 15:02 <Erkan_Yilmaz>ah, so that is the only connection ? or did the pestilence influence their attitude towards art somehow specially ? 15:02 <Ramac>people do no longer believe in divinities 15:02 <Erkan_Yilmaz>true 15:02 their religion was an utilitaristic religion 15:02 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Thucydides told they did not fear morale and laws because of death being possibel anytime 15:03 <Ramac>and so for example in scopas' sculputer there was naked 15:03 *utilitarian 15:03 <Ramac>* there was naked divinities 15:03 <Erkan_Yilmaz>you have a picture Ramac ? 15:03 <Ramac>mmh.. wait a minute :) 15:04 <Erkan_Yilmaz>you have an example pietrodn about this utilitarian way of thinking ? 15:04 <Erkan_Yilmaz>e.g. like before war they sacrificed to have the Gods on their side 15:04 <Ramac>http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Apollo_Saurocton_Louvre.jpg <-- it is a picture from prassyteles 15:04 <Ramac>the same period 15:04 <Ramac>apollo is naked 15:04 <Ramac>and he's playing like a child 15:04 if people wanted anything from their gods, they had to do sacrifices 15:05 <Ramac>yes 15:05 <Erkan_Yilmaz>ah, so you could say the pestilence was something which made available something like a change in mind, e.g. like in Renaissance ? 15:05 <Ramac>but sacrifies didn't work 15:05 <Ramac>well yes 15:05 The bigger the sacrifice was, the bigger the Gods operated 15:06 <Erkan_Yilmaz>ah therefore Delphi got so rich :-) 15:07 <Erkan_Yilmaz>so rich people could influence by way of Gods wills and influence normal people telling: you know we are backed up by the Gods :-) 15:07 <Erkan_Yilmaz>as e.g. the Athenians thought in II, 54 / I, 118 15:07 <Erkan_Yilmaz>like brain washing perhaps ? 15:07 <Erkan_Yilmaz>public propaganda ? 15:08 <Erkan_Yilmaz>the Delphi Oracle told that one God would help the Lacaedaemonians if they needed him and that the PSartans would win the war 15:08 <Erkan_Yilmaz>so they have already God on their side 15:08 <Erkan_Yilmaz>what can normal people do against Gods (might the Athenians have thought) 15:10 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Ramac how long did this change of mind hold on in the arts ? since then always ? or did they switch back in art again to non-naked portraits of Gods ? 15:10 <Ramac>well 15:11 <Ramac>Erkan_Yilmaz: i haven't studied yes the next period 15:11 <Ramac>but 15:11 <Ramac>in the precedent period divinities were proud and magnificent 15:13 - elmacenderesi joined 15:13 <Erkan_Yilmaz>hi elmacenderesi 15:13 hey 15:13 h're u 15:13 hi 15:14 <Erkan_Yilmaz>I just invited elmacenderesi 15:14 <Erkan_Yilmaz>elmacenderesi we were talking about the pestilence in Athens and what effects it had on the city, on art on the people 15:15 hmm 15:15 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Ramac was talking about the influence on the art back then -> that artists began to show Gods naked, because people didn't believe so much in Gods anymore, after having bad experience with plaque 15:15 <Erkan_Yilmaz>e.g. http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immagine:Apollo_Saurocton_Louvre.jpg 15:16 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Ramac did I get you ? 15:17 <Ramac>Erkan_Yilmaz: did i get you = ? :(

15:25 Greek people was in panic 15:26 <Erkan_Yilmaz>so we were at "1. Pestilence in Athens. Society breaks down." 15:26 <Erkan_Yilmaz>yeah, everywhere smell of death, hot summer 15:27 <Erkan_Yilmaz>you can't go out, since Spartans + allies outside

Athens and individuals and the collective
15:27 <Erkan_Yilmaz>what I found interesting was this: 15:27 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Thucydides tells that people didn't act civil anymore 15:27 <Erkan_Yilmaz>they were barbarian 15:28 <Erkan_Yilmaz>I thought this can not be true for all 15:28 <Erkan_Yilmaz>I mean imagine: you have a family and someone dies, you are in sorrow 15:28 <Erkan_Yilmaz>you are probably wanting to help other family members 15:28 <Erkan_Yilmaz>if you truly love them 15:29 <Erkan_Yilmaz>you don't abandon them 15:29 <Erkan_Yilmaz>I don't know the social structure of Athens back then 15:29 They think: "My life is short" - so they didn't respect laws, that was not important 15:29 <Erkan_Yilmaz>but if what Thucydides is true, probably the social structure consisted too much of individuals ? 15:30 <Erkan_Yilmaz>I mean we hear that Athens was a city of thinkers 15:30 <Erkan_Yilmaz>but we dont know much if they had also their families with them ? 15:30 after the oplitic revolution, the collectivity was very important 15:30 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Oplitic Revolution 15:30 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/w:Oplitic_Revolution 15:31 mmh 15:31 <Erkan_Yilmaz>you have a link ? 15:31 <Erkan_Yilmaz>or what was it ? 15:31 there was a change in fighting 15:31 <Erkan_Yilmaz>ah I understand 15:31 not during the peloponnesian war, much time before 15:31 <Erkan_Yilmaz>the common people get more powers/participation ? 15:32 <Erkan_Yilmaz>didn't Ephialtes and Tolmides also help the demos more to get power ? 15:32 <Erkan_Yilmaz>liek politicians using the demos in the elections 15:32 <Ramac>Erkan_Yilmaz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoplite 15:33 Erkan_Yilmaz: In hoplitic fighting, all the soldiers had to be together. They couldn't break the structure, e.g. by fighting alone 15:33 <Erkan_Yilmaz>yes like the Phalanx idea ? 15:33 <Erkan_Yilmaz>one hoplite was protected by the other hoplite 15:33 <Erkan_Yilmaz>if one left the other hoplite was defenseless on his one side 15:34 <Ramac>yes 15:34 <Erkan_Yilmaz>that is also why in battle if some hoplites retreated the whole army was in danger 15:34 <Ramac>so it is not important only one hero 15:34 <Erkan_Yilmaz>or not whole but part of the hoplites from that part 15:34 <Ramac>but the strength is the number 15:34 yes, I mean that 15:34 <Erkan_Yilmaz>ok, so there was a strong idea of the collective 15:35 <Erkan_Yilmaz>but I think of the individual at the moment 15:35 <Erkan_Yilmaz>imagine you have lost a family member 15:35 <Erkan_Yilmaz>then you are in sorrow 15:35 <Erkan_Yilmaz>because of the loss 15:35 <Erkan_Yilmaz>probably you are not thinking logically at that momnet 15:36 <Erkan_Yilmaz>so if nobody helps you, you will do something stupid 15:36 yes 15:36 <Erkan_Yilmaz>e.g. self murder, do not eat 15:36 <Erkan_Yilmaz>this is because you had a strong relation 15:36 <Erkan_Yilmaz>but if you have other family members - who also love you, they will help you - no matter what 15:36 <Erkan_Yilmaz>I think Thucydides talks also of them 15:36 <Erkan_Yilmaz>that people died because helping the others 15:37 <Erkan_Yilmaz>but he focusses in my opinion also much on that civility got lost 15:37 yes, they were infected - especially the doctors 15:37 <Erkan_Yilmaz>and therefore I was thinking perhaps the social structure back then was not that of families, but more of individuals ? 15:37 Each man focuses on his own life 15:37 <Erkan_Yilmaz>or people who did not really value family values 15:37 <Erkan_Yilmaz>well if he does so, he will certainly if he survives have bad conscience ? 15:38 It was a terrible situation 15:38 <Erkan_Yilmaz>well that is true, we can't imagine probably

was there anything good that came because of the pestilence ?
15:39 <Erkan_Yilmaz>so, was there anything good that came because of the pestilence ? 15:40 <Erkan_Yilmaz>1. change in thinking in art 15:40 <Erkan_Yilmaz>what else ? 15:40 <Erkan_Yilmaz>2. a description of the pestilence by Thucydides to help future doctors/people to indicate probs faster and rescue parts of the population ? 15:40 <Erkan_Yilmaz>something like a master plan for evacuation 15:41 <Erkan_Yilmaz>3. for warfare: how to take a walled city -> bring in biological weapons 15:41 <Erkan_Yilmaz>4. change of thinking in general in relation with Gods ? 15:42 <Erkan_Yilmaz>so guys, we change to next topic ?

15:43 <Erkan_Yilmaz>we have these to go: 15:43 <Erkan_Yilmaz>2. Pericles saves his skin. Athenians are angry with him for the unpopular war. Pericles convinces them to struggle on and preserve their empire which is hated by other Greeks. 15:43 <Erkan_Yilmaz>3. Thucydides gives a summary of the Peloponnesian War. He sees Pericles as a great leader. Athenian leaders after him blew it and missed out on an easy victory. 15:43 <Erkan_Yilmaz>4. Local conflicts are becoming part of the major war: Thracians want to conquer a town, Ambraciots take revenge on the Amphilochians, Plataea doesn't trust the Thebans. 15:43 <Erkan_Yilmaz>5. The view on the war becomes more pronounced by the speech of Pericles and the issue of Plataea. The Greeks are angry with the Athenians, because they use terror to subdue the Greeks. Pericles defends this terror by stating that it makes the Athenians rich and powerful, otherwise they might become the slaves of others. But even richness is not enough, serving and dying for the state is of the most importance according to Pericles, who has a distaste for easy temporary pleasures and individualism. 15:43 <Erkan_Yilmaz>any wishes ? 15:46 <Erkan_Yilmaz>pietrodn Ramac elmacenderesi 15:46 I'm not prepared with those arguments... :-( 15:47 I didn't study them at school 15:47 <Erkan_Yilmaz>doesn't matter 15:47 <Erkan_Yilmaz>but you read the text I think ?

Pericles saves his skin. Athenians are angry with him for the unpopular war. Pericles convinces them to struggle on and preserve their empire which is hated by other Greeks.
15:48 <Erkan_Yilmaz>how about this ? "Pericles saves his skin. Athenians are angry with him for the unpopular war. Pericles convinces them to struggle on and preserve their empire which is hated by other Greeks." 15:48 <Erkan_Yilmaz>the Athenians are angry and then Pericles calls a meeting 15:48 <Erkan_Yilmaz>and explains why they must still hold out 15:48 <Erkan_Yilmaz>and he convinces them 15:49 <Erkan_Yilmaz>but still they are angry and deelect him and reelect him later again, because no suitable person to do the job :-) 15:49 lol 15:49 <Erkan_Yilmaz>and the best now: 15:49 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Pericles dies and nobody else to fill the vacuum 15:49 <Erkan_Yilmaz>and so as Thucydides tells the city loses more of its power 15:49 Pericles was great... 15:50 <Erkan_Yilmaz>regarding Thucydides: yes 15:50 <Ramac>i prefer #thucydides :P 15:50 <Ramac>XD 15:50 <Ramac>* i prefer thucydides :P 15:50 <Ramac>XD XD 15:51 <Ramac>Erkan_Yilmaz: sorry 15:51 <Ramac>what were you talking about? :) 15:51 <Erkan_Yilmaz>about Pericles convincing the Athenians to hold out longer in the war 15:52 <Erkan_Yilmaz>I mean the Athenians send also envoys to Lacadaemonians but they refused them 15:52 <Erkan_Yilmaz>so there was practically no way out to have peace 15:52 <Erkan_Yilmaz>probably the Spartans and allies thought: let's wait the disease to do the work for us

Plataea
15:53 <Erkan_Yilmaz>anyone interested also in Plataea ? 15:53 Erkan_Yilmaz: I'm not prepared on this, and I have to do homework. I should quit 15:54 I think we should get more people here 15:54 <Erkan_Yilmaz>yes, we should, can you make some ads in other channels, if you know some 15:54 <Ramac>Erkan_Yilmaz: uhm i don't remember :D 15:54 <Erkan_Yilmaz>I think Wikibookians should be interested perhaps ? 15:54 <Ramac>mmh... try asking #wikibooks :D 15:54 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Ramac: in the 3rd year king Archidamos goes against Plataea instead to Attica 15:55 <Erkan_Yilmaz>the funny thing: 15:55 Erkan_Yilmaz: I put an ad on it.wikibooks's village pump 15:55 <Ramac>the battle of platea, salamina, ? 15:55 <Ramac>:( 15:55 <Erkan_Yilmaz>King Pausanias in 479 BC promised that Plataea would be free and who tries to fight/enslave them must consider that Spartans and friends will protect Plataea 15:55 <Erkan_Yilmaz>yes, when The Greeks fought against Persia 15:55 <Ramac>ah yes :) 15:56 Bye! 15:56 <Erkan_Yilmaz>and now 70 years later another Spartan king comes and attacks Plataea 15:56 <Erkan_Yilmaz>50 years later, sorry 15:57 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Plataea is in a bad situation: they are surrounded and can't surrender because Athenians tell, dont leave the pact 15:57 <Erkan_Yilmaz>so they have to fight Spartans 15:57 <Erkan_Yilmaz>and guess who wins ? ;-) 15:58 <Ramac>athen? 15:58 <Erkan_Yilmaz>:-) 15:58 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Lacaedaemonians take Plataea 15:59 <Ramac>:D 15:59 * Ramac away :D 15:59 <Erkan_Yilmaz>but they make a calling to the Gods that they did not want to fight Plataea, but Plataeans did not give them any choice, after Sparta offered many options to them 16:00 <Erkan_Yilmaz>ok, so we will see next week Ramac ? 16:00 <Ramac>okay :) 16:00 <Ramac>however, try asking someone else ... :D 16:00 <Erkan_Yilmaz>Ramac elmacenderesi anything against publishing logs ? I will remove private things not relate dto Thucydides 16:00 <Erkan_Yilmaz>ok ? 16:00 <Ramac>yes :D 16:00 <Erkan_Yilmaz>thx, Pietro agreed before already 16:01 <Ramac>yeah


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Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Erkan Yilmaz (Bureaucrat)

Self-Nomination
After the recent posts in the colloquium, Wikiversity talk:List of custodian mentors, How to be a Wikimedia sysop I also apply for the bureaucrat tools.

Why the tools request ?

 * I believe that an additional pair of hands in usage of the tools at the moment would result in a better service quality for Wikiversity, see e.g.
 * custodianship1, 2, 3
 * custodianship
 * Bot request
 * Bot authorization
 * Colloquium

 * See also the colloquium about my comments about bureaucratship/custodianship being "no big deal".

What am I doing around Wikiversity ?
For those of you who do not know me:
 * recent contribution summary with other custodian mentors
 * participating in the Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War reading group
 * Composing free and open online educational resources: participating and also helping teachers/educators to get more comfortable around Wikiversity (if you see one of them, why don't you interact with them? But don't forget other newcomers !)
 * blog on Wikiversity: User:Erkan Yilmaz/observations
 * using actively IRC (Chat)
 * know the tools, since I am bureaucrat at German Wikiversity
 * helping other Wikiversities: e.g. search for the term Greek here, betawikiversity:Wikiversity:IRC meetings, translations which must be finished so Turkish Wikiversity can be born, French Wikiversity, Italian WV

Wikiversity philosophy
When I came to English Wikiversity, I learned something new: that Wikiversity is much more and different than what was being done at other wikimedia projects. Since then I changed my philosophy (see e.g. here or here) - thanks again to the mentoring of User:JWSchmidt. I am using Wikiversity also as my personal learning space (e.g. making my notes to Thucydides: The Peloponnesian War available on Wikiversity or de:Benutzer:Erkan Yilmaz/Asien)

Questions and requests

 * Erkan, how would you be able to cope with bot requests? What is your experience of dealing with such requests on the German Wikiversity? Thanks, Cormaggio talk 17:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We just have a request at German WV. I finalized today the final criteria for a bot approval after publishing the initial criteria for discussion back in October 2007. Since for the English Wikiversity we have already existing criteria: Bots this can lead to a faster acceptance of bot status. Besides this I had in the past contact with bots (helping fixing a bot problem, intelligent bots?). For me the most important thing for a bot is, that the bot operator is always looking out for her bot's work, because a "bad" robot just troubles the Wikiversity users (e.g. Robert E.), Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  17:58, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Since the 9th February there is no response about this bot approval request: I have added a comment there about what is missing at least from the so far stated basic criteria, so the bot owner knows about this and can improve this . Also I have added a reply for the 3-days old request here about what is missing at least from the so far stated basic criteria, so the bot owner knows about this and can improve this. Hope one of the b.cats can continue from there. Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  19:39, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments

 * I support Erkan without reservation (i.e. this is not dependent on my question above). He's a great, dedicated, friendly and patient participant. :-) Cormaggio talk 17:37, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, wow... absolutely :-). Erkan pretty much embodies the spirit of Wikiversity: committed to the cause, gentle and encouraging to new participants, and above all always remembers that it's supposed to be fun! --SB_Johnny | talk 18:35, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support: dedicated contributer whose presence makes wikiversity a better place. --mikeu talk 01:19, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong support as per others. Especially as per SB_Johnny; Erkan is "gentle and encouraging to new participants" in quite admirable and creative ways. --Remi 19:38, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I was still a new user about 24 hours ago and Erkan found me, posted to my talk page, sent email, and got me going on IRC, then answered a bunch of questions, and all in all reached out in a very notable way. Looking over his pages, I notice a commitment to quality and an openess to other's ideas, and very good technical know-now. - -- Jtneill - Talk 10:29, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * lucychili 17:13, 22 March 2008 (UTC) Thanks for help and patience. +1 on "gentle and encouraging to new participants"
 * [[Image:Nuvola apps kuickshow.png|16px]] Support. --McCormack
 * Support: an ever-present editor. Countrymike 01:12, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support: His experience will definitely help the english wikiversity a lot.--ZaDiak 13:18, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * He will never go on the dark side of the Custidianship. I believe in him and I have confidence. Crochet.david.bot 20:01, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Erkan is responsive, skilled, and dedicated. I strongly support his candidacy. TWFred 21:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Support. This is the kind of thanks you get for all your work in support of Wikiversity...yet another job. --JWSchmidt 04:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure Erkan will help a lot the English Wikiversity, as he has already done. --[[Image:Assassingr_signature.svg]]-- (profile|chit chat|email) 11:08, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome
Hello Eli R., and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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Yes. This is ComputerGuy890100 from Wikipedia. I am here to look around. Great site.

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Back to Topic: Instructional Design

User Testing for e-Learning Courses

Welcome!
This is a test page for Lesson 1 and 2. It starts with its parent (User Testing for e-Learning Courses) and links to lesson 1 and lesson 2 pages.

= Module Goal = Upon completion of this course, people who have designed an e-learning module or lesson will be able to conduct a formative evaluation (in the form of User Testing) of the learning experience. The result shall be a list of recommendations for enhancing and improving the learning experience.

= Module Objectives = 1. From memory, the learner will be able to describe the role formative evaluation plays in the ADDIE model.

2. From memory, the learner will be able to describe the role user testing plays in the instructional design development process.

3. Given a scenario of an e-learning course and an outline of a user testing plan, the learner will be able to create a user testing plan for the e-learning course.

4. Given a scenario of an e-learning course, instructions, and a user testing worksheet, the learner will be able to conduct user testing on the e-learning course.

5. Given the findings of a user test of an e-learning course, the learner will be able to analyze its results.

6. Given the analysis of a user test of an e-learning course, the learner will be able to prepare a report of recommendations for improving the e-learning course.

= Module Lessons = Click a lesson title to begin that lesson.
 * 1) Introduction to Formative Evaluation in the ADDIE model
 * 2) User Testing Fundamentals and Procedures
 * 3) User Testing Plan
 * 4) Conduct User Testing
 * 5) Analyze User Testing
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Hey everyone! I am currently a second-year architecture student at The Ohio State Univerisity. I'm still very new to the Wikiveristy community, and hope to be writing online soon! Don't hesitate to leave me a message on my Talk page!

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Your feedback is welcome at User talk:Username142857
Dear my mentor, I believe we have already seen User:Username142857 making too many non-Wikiversity questions at Candidates for Custodianship/MathXplore and Wikiversity talk:Custodianship/Archive 6. In the beginning, I answered them one by one as part of demonstrating my competency to answer questions as a custodian candidate (and they were somewhat related to my global contributions) and courtesy to discussion participants. However, by facing special:diff/2631774 and special:diff/2618170 (editing discussion archives, re-opening closed discussions), I started to believe that we should bring an end to their excessive non-Wikiversity usage of Wikiversity (talk) namespaces. According to w:User talk:Username142857 (especially w:special:diff/1073391896), User:Username142857 is evaluated as the other editors are tired to waste their time to read and answer your non-useful edits. and I think they are doing the similar thing at Wikiversity. Our community may have limited tolerance for such behavior. If you had any experience of handling such issues in the past, your feedback may be helpful to allow User:Username142857 to improve their behavior. Thank you for your attention and mentoring. MathXplore (discuss • contribs) 03:21, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up. Sorry for slow response. I'm recovering from COVID, but on way back. Thankyou for your very patient, clear, and supportive feedback on Username142857's talk page which, along with Mikeu, seems to have communicated the concerns and hopefully lead to a change/improvement in behaviour. What a great example of handling challenging behaviour courteously. Fingers crossed. Keep well. Sincerely, James -- Jtneill - Talk - c 00:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

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Learning the basics of French/Participants

Salut! My name is Nnagozie, am eager to learn and speak french asap

 * There is also a list of participants interested in French at Wikiversity here.

Please add yourself with a short intro in the list:

Salut! I'm Johan, moving to France in the autumn, trying to be fluent 'til then! Trying to learn french by myself... see you! ^^' Salut!! please make me a polyglot...happy to speak in french Bonjour! Mon nom est Uche et je vis a Port Harcourt au Nigeria. Je suis de ja attendre allianze Francais Lagos au Nigeria, mais je besoin to learn more. Bonjour! Parle un petit de francias and I would like to learn more. I'm a Spanish teacher, Je m'apelle Leah and I want to expand my language lexicon! L'anglais et aussi avoir une bonne compréhension de l'espagnol. J'ai trouvé français pour être pas différente de l'anglais ou l'espagnol. Je suis prêt à apprendre! I want to help who are all going to Come to India from France. I want to help the french people who are all coming to visit India. Once again Thank You, Wiki. hi, I m Ashish from India... hello there? my name is Aminu Ajah I love french as a language and i love french culture i just want to learn the language.
 * Bonjour..I'm Lindsey and I need to learn french so I can get a teaching job!
 * Bonjour! Je m'appelle Sam et je suis de l'États-Unis. I speak a little French, and I'm currently in a high school French 1 course.
 * Bonjour, Mesdames et Messieurs! Mon nom est Gabe et je vis à Los Angeles, Californie. Je parle
 * Salut tout le monde! J'adore le francais. "chui" de Canada. Bisous. Michelle.
 * Bonjour! Je m'appelle Tim.  Je suis du Chicago.  I would like to learn to express myself fluently in French, and lose my phrase books.
 * Hello. I'm Sophia, glad to have found all of you! Going on a trip to France soon. With desire, and needing knowledge of the French language.  Screen name is Sophiarene. Thank you.
 * Bonjour Everyone! My Name is Adnan and i am from India. Can't wait to learn French! Could we have a few more lessons though? Can anyone help in practising french????
 * Hi. My name is Edwin.  I am from Puerto Rico, fluent in Spanish and English.  French will be my third language.
 * Hello, my name is Zaheer. I am currently in Rennes, France and I intend to learn French for this purpose.
 * Hello, My name is Julia. I am hoping to learn French for travel purposes.
 * Salut! Andy from Norway. Considering France as my next place to live, and want to learn the language in order to communicate with french people and possible french employers.
 * Hello, this is Elizabeth and I live in Oklahoma, USA. I want to read Latour and Foucault in their language one day!
 * Hi, Tristan from Malaysia. I just wanted to learn French so that i could read some French books I found :)
 * Hello, This is Ramesh from India. I have learned very much from the content. and if it contains any workbook / exercises / audio / video files. it also will be an useful one.
 * Hello there,My name is Sam Yang from Shanghai,China.Beginner in French and hope this page will help!Good luck!
 * Bonjour, the names Yassine, I've been teaching French to myself through various books and programs. I'm hoping this project will help improve my French so I can finally carry on a conversation.
 * Hi, I'm Bri and I just want to learn French. That is all.
 * Hello, I'm Bernardo and I would like to learn French. I speak English, Hungarian and Portuguese and I also teach English. As a teacher, I am very interested in how internet-based language learning works and maybe experience for myself what my students go through when learning a new language.
 * Hello, My name is Bethany and I want to work in Europe so I'm going to add French to my inventory of skills :)
 * Hi! My name is Debbie and I am from Western Canada. My family heritage is French and I have recently had a very strong desire to learn the written/verbal language. I plan to continue on when I master the information offered here. Thank you very much for this site, and all who have contributed to it.
 * Hello. My name is Andrew. I take French courses in college and I am using this site to help me expand my knowledge over the summer.--Dbobcat 00:11, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Bonjour Je m'appelle Nicholas. I'm Canadian, and I want to be bilingual
 * Bonjour! Je m'appelle Monica. I love languages and the paths they open to building new relationships and developing a mutual understanding between people.
 * Bonjour, je m'appelle Virginie, je suis fançaise. J'ai plusieurs correspondants francophiles et je pense qu'un site de ce type pourrait les aider énormément.
 * Ceci dit, j'ai été surprise de voir que ce qui devrait être la leçon 1 n'est pour l'instant qu'une présentation en français/anglais.
 * Je propose donc d'ajouter une page de présentations, d'y déplacer le contenu de cette page et de mettre ici une réelle leçon de français, qu'en dites-vous?

 * Hi, I'm Virginie. I am french. I know many persons who learn french, and I think this site may help them a lot!
 * But I am surprised to see that there is actually no lesson 1... would you mind if this list would be redirected to a presentation page and a real first lesson was posted here?

 * Salut! Comment ca va?  Je m'appelle Carla. I took one year of french at the Lycée français de Barcelone and I would like to continue learning french. I really would like to be able to communicate in french. A bientôt!, 12:15, 29 March 2008
 * Salut! I'm Autumne. I used to live in Belgium and went to a Canadian school where I learned French, but I haven't spoken it in so long.  I'm here to remember and hopefully learn so new things.
 * Hi I'm Lynn. I want to learn French.And I hope get improvement here. User:Lynn cui, 10:05, 16 March 2008
 * Shashikant Thorat, User:Shashithorat, 12:00, 19 March 2008
 * hi im steve i hope to eventualy go to france
 * Yo, what's up? My name's Samuel. I have learned some French, but it is sort of random. I would like to become extremely fluent. Here are some examples of my fluency: Je suis etudiant. Ou se trouve le lit? Parlez-vous francais? Parlez-vous anglais? Ou se trouvent les cartes de credit? Je suis un garcon. Je vais tres bien, merci. Enchante de faire votre connaissance. Comment allez-vous? Ca va? And that's pretty much it, all from memory. Forgive me for the lack of accent marks, I do not know how to do it on the keyboard. I know a lot more vocabulary, but I decided to just put phrases, like: Je voudrais le petit dejeuner. Je voudrais le sandwich au jambon. I would very much like to become utterly fluent. Au revoir.
 * hi my name is irfan...french has too many verbs but still want to try again.
 * Hello, I'm Jenny. I studied French at school and college, and I've visited France numerous times.  It's been about 7 years since I left college and I've forgotten most of the language!  I was never very good at grammar though, so I need to start again from scratch really. Fruity 15:35, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi, I'm Kevin. I've been introduced to French in high school but would like to learn more for my France exchange trip next year.
 * probably it is this user: User:Kevin.w, Erkan Yilmaz uses the Wikiversity:Chat (try) 09:17, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

hi Im Ranjana from India,I love words,they inspire me,move me,motivate me.By learning a new language i want to broaden my language horizon!Bingo
 * Bonjour, Je m'appelle Jamiey. Going away on exchange to Quebec. Je suis tres enthusiastique!
 * Salut, je m'appelle Nick, j'étudie le français et l'espagnol passionément! J'aime beaucoup les langues vivantes, et on jour je désire être diplomate des Etats-Unis à l'étrangère.  Mais maintenant, je l'étudie et aider des autres étudiants du français me plaît beaucoup!
 * Hello my name is Jaime and I am 14. I plan on moving to Canada some day and also visiting France. Spanish is so boring to be and everyone is learning it and I love how french sounds. I would just love to be able to be fluent in it.

Hi im Colin and im looking to learn French. An absolute beginner, and here goes! Good luck to everyone

Hello, my name is Adrian, I'm looking to learn a little French for when I travel later this year.--124.181.131.241 02:09, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

°Hello, my name is Chris, I'm looking to renew my french vocabulary. I was fluent in high school but it has been 7 years since I've spoken french. I love the language.

Hi Friends!! This is Dia from Brighton, U.K... i just wanna learn French...

 * Bonjour! My name's Rebecca.  And I like french :-)
 * Bonjour!!!! Je m'appelle Danielle and i think this is great that people who love the French language are able to get lesson for free.
 * Hey,My name is Tracy.I really want to learn French.Beginner very much but would appreciate if someone could help me out.ok lets start!!!
 * Bonjour, Je m'appelle Samantha est je suis Francaise-Canadienne - but I live in an english part of the country and I'm forgetting my french - hoping this will help!

 * Hello, this is Tarek from Jordan. I would love to learn French because I feel that it can benefit me in my career. I also feel that it would give me better insight into French culture. Thanks. Chagfeh 19:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Hi My name is Krishna Tadepalli. From India :)

 * Salut! Je m'appelle Keziah, et j'aime le francaise. I want to make some friends with french learners, too! :)
 * Bonjour! My name's Mo. I live in the United States. I like to learn things!--Intocharm 23:48, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

 * I probably should backdate myself... But in any case, I'm attempting to update the pages as I learn. --Sigma 7 19:57, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Zesso 21:46, 3 March 2009 (UTC) Hi, I'm Jimmy, and I want to learn French. I think the language is beautiful and English and the U.S. in general annoy me.
 * Hi! I'm Michał from Poland. I have some friends in France and I would like to make a trip to France to visit them.

 * hey...this is ankita from India...hv always wanted to learn french and here comes the chance :)

 * Salut! My name is Ben. I'm from Washington State, in the USA. I'll be serving in Morocco with the Peace Corps and want to learn some French before I go.
 * Salut, je m'appelle Joey. I am an Australian, I speak English and have just started learning French as a second language, using this resource for some extra help.

 * Salut tout le monde!. I'm very new at this and I'm starting to love it already. Such an amazing language to learn/understand/speak. Raul (from Venezuela)

 * Hi....this is varsha...from India

 * Hi.. Jason from California.

 * Hi This is Bronwen in Australia. I've been wanting to learn French for years, and now I'm going to!

 * Hi, Matthew, I am. --Renddslow 03:10, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm Lucas from Tasmania Australia!! I'm very keen to learn french after spending some time overseas it's one of many I'd love to be able to speak =)
 * PJ from NJ, USA here. Looking forward to learning.
 * Salut, je m'appelle Darrell. I hope I can get through some of these french courses.

 * One more participant from India....Rajaram...

 * Bonjour, je mapelle ScienceWhiz. I want to learn French and live in Paris someday! ScienceWhiz2000 20:16, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

 * Hi, Ayla from Australia. I have forgotten all of my school French and am going to try and remember it!

 * Hi, my name is Michael and I want to learn French to help me speak to a beautiful friend.

 * Bonsoir! Je m'appelle Jeremy.  I'm just starting to learn French through the University of South Africa and am using Wikiversity to supplement my other study materials.  --Jeremy Reeder 00:18, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

 * --Jomsamson 00:38, 7 March 2010 (UTC). from Philippines.

 * Bonjour, Je suis depuis en france 4 mois mais je ne parlent pas bien le français. Donc j'essayer apprendre trés rapide si possible! Cordialement, Jdrewitt 11:18, 3 May 2010 (UTC)

 * Hi, I'm Kevin from Taiwan and I am interested in learning French.

 * Hi, I'm John from America. I'm interested in learning French because I think languages are awesome! JohnnyG 08:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

 * Hello, I'm Cris from the U.S. - I want to learn french and hopefully visit France eventually

 * Bonjour! I'm Sarah from Indiana (US). I recently visited Quebec (Montreal, Quebec City, etc.) and loved their French culture so much, I intend to move there! However, before doing so I must learn French! So, here goes!

 * Hello, I am Laura (Username: Factmagnet) from Colorado (USA) I speak Spanish almost fluently and would like to learn more languages because it is fun!
 * Bonjour, my name is Jennifer and I am from the Midwestern US. I'm very excited to learn French!

 * Bonjour! I'm Jay from Southampton, England. I used to hate French at school, but I now feel like I'm missing out on a useful skill.
 * Hi I'm Juan Carlos and I love French. I want to learn it.
 * Hi I'm Priel Aharonina and i like to learn english in my free time.
 * Bonsoir! Je m'appelle Ragnar et j'habite maintenant en Islande. J'aime le français et je peux parler islandais, anglais et un peu chinois.

 * Bonjour! Basically, I'm just interested in learning another language, and building on my knowledge of Spanish. 68.58.139.251 00:18, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * salut friends, im mel :) im very intrested and exicited to learn french and hope to be better able to master the lannguage by the end of this course :)

 * Bonjour, je m'appelle shawn. My soon to be step mother is from morocco and i want to be able to talk to my step mother and steps siblings easier.

 * Bonjour, my name is Eofren. My native language is french. Heureux de vous apprendre le français et peut-être l'espéranto.

 * Bon après midi, je m'appelle est Chuck. Je comprends et parle un peu français et je voudrais mieux parler et comprender. Je suis âgé Cinquante-sept ans. Mon dos me fait mal quand s'asseoir, mais je vais essayer de trouver un moyen d'apprendre le français. J'ai besoin de quelque chose qui me motive. J'apprécie toute l'aide. Je vous remercie pour vos efforts. Désole sur l'utilisation de Google Translator. Au moins je n'ai pas copier et coller. Je veux être capable de lire Flaubert. En fait, j'ai un dictionnaire français belle - Les Mansions plus courtes, ont acheté pour six dollars en Juillet vingt ans, 1986. Et j'ai téléchargé plusieurs livres de Flaubert à partir Librivox et Gutenberg gratuitement. Madame Bovary, et plusieurs autres. J'ai entendu Monsieur Flaubert est tout à fait un écrivain. Espérons que ce n'est pas quelqu'un trop effrayant que moi de tenter de lire son écriture. J'ai essayé d'apprendre le français en éncoutant les nouvelles, mais en général je essayer de rester à l'écart de la nouvelles - trop déprimant. Je pourrais continuer avec le sport, mais je n'aime vraiment ps le football bien. J'ai un dictionaire anglais merveilleuse - Webster nouveau dictionnaire international. Si quelqu'un peut suggérer un dictionnaire français comparables (on l'espère pour pas trop cher), je voudrais bien l'apprécier. Je suis désolé de qui est si longue. Espérons que Google Translator n'a pas tué française trop mal. J'ai un couple français livres d'étude de langue sur le Kindle. J'espère qu'ils vont m'aider. Je fais besoin d'aide (évidemment).
 * Salut! Je m'appele Idorenyin Ukoh, Je suis Nigerian et j'aime la Francaise. J'espere que je peux parler et ecrire la lange. Bonne Journee

 * Bonjour, je m'appelle Julia, et j'aime la langue français! C'est ma troisième langue, après l'anglais et l'espagnole. Je suis ici pour parfaire mon français, et je suis très heureuse pour practiquer avec n'importe qui. Bonne chance dans vos études!

BONJOUR everyone I am Lexi want to know french for leisure.
 * Bonjour! Je m'appelle FreeStanler (not my real name), je suis Sud-Afrique (not sure of spelling). Excited to have another source of French to learn from.


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Salut Lynn cui, welcome to Wikiversity. I hope we can help you in learning la langue francais :-) Below more info about Wikiversity. Do you know that there is also the French Wikiversity ? Erkan Yilmaz Wikiversity:Chat  10:13, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

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