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Wikiversity:Process

From Process:

''Strategic planning essentially answers the questions, "Where are we now?", "Where should we go?", and "How do we get there?" In order for the resulting answers to be actionable and meaningful, all of the different stakeholders must be aligned around these answers.''

''There are well-known best practices for doing strategic planning for organizations. We are facing a bigger, more exciting challenge: How do we do strategic planning for a movement?''

This page will look at Wikiversity's processes for building a learning community - past, current and future.

Ideas for Wikiversity processes
From Process:

We have an opportunity to do something that's never been done before, because we understand how to collaborate at scale.

Catalysts
has initiated an example process for Maintenance that involves Templates and Categories.

Support staff will have two divisions:
 * 1) Custodian
 * 2) Catalyst

These are inter-operative functionaries who work together to:

 * 1) Build Templates
 * 2) Organize Categories

User:Trinity507 and User:Lysander89 are the first two candidates to be nominated to be placed in the Catalyst role.

A quorum of custodians have noticed the initiatives planned first in their user spaces and then acted upon soon thereafter. Both of these participants have approached the current staff with what we feel like are exemplary behaviors, attitudes and purposes and we intend to support them fully.

Consensus
Consensus ...

...See How to be a Wikimedia sysop...

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VOTING is ...
This is NOT a discussion about Policy or Community Guidelines. It does have a little to do with Process.

This talk page is a discussion about this Template, its design, documentation, implementation and its functionality. The liquidThreads template at the top points to where this template was created and will give you an idea about where and how it is used and how important it is.

Below that appears the code for the template (as it was rolled out) is inclosed in .. ...tags. If you like working & playing with templates please join the TemplateTaskforce. CQ 17:01, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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Français This user is a French Mentor

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Tools?
Would Catalysts have access to tools which are different from either Custodians or other Users? The Jade Knight (d'viser) 06:23, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * A catalyst works with categories and templates to create and organize content, to establish context and linkage and to generally improve usability. Catalysts need no special tools (besides the ones located between the ears ). Current custodians can look at recent changes in category, template and other namespaces for edits that are aligned with maintenance. For example, just created the much-needed translations template and  has built an entire School of Ethnology almost single-handedly. My belief is that such efforts should be noted. The catalyst template is merely a token of appreciation and signification from the Support staff and part of the process for mentoring potential custodians. --CQ 15:11, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. Not a bad idea.  Would Catalysts have specific roles within the community?  The Jade Knight (d'viser) 18:31, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Tools!
Who has sysop tools? ->

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User:OpenScientist/Why are open scientists open

Purpose of this page
This is a page dedicated to an experiment in which a group of open scientists try to collectively describe and synthesize the reasons why they prefer to do science in the open.

Specifically, the aim is to provide answers to the following questions:
 * 1) Why did you choose to be open?
 * 2) What is the fundamental, underlying goal or goals you hope to accomplish by being open?
 * 3) What keeps you motivated?
 * 4) Why do you spend your precious little free time on my blog, reading this post and this question?


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User talk:Slojzer

French Mentoring
Hi, I've been assigned to be your mentor for French_Mentoring. You can reach my by email at austin-dot-mullen-at-gmail-dot-com or via Skype as eleraama. Eleraama 21:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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User talk:Dpoirier~enwikiversity

French Mentoring
Hi, I'm Austin and I'll be your mentor for the French_Mentoring project. You can reach me at austin-dot-mullen-at-gmail-dot-com, via Skype as eleraama, or on my talk page. Look forward to working with you! Eleraama 23:32, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Dpoirier. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Dpoirier~enwikiversity that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Cathiesears

French Mentoring
Hi, I'm Austin and I'll be your mentor for the French_Mentoring project. Whenever you'd like to get started, you can reach me at austin-dot-mullen-at-gmail-dot-com, on Skype as eleraama or on my talk page here. I look forward to hearing from you. Eleraama 23:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

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C++/STL Algorithms

The STL contains functions for common algorithms within C++.

find
Finds a value within a range.

Example:

copy
Copies a range of elements.

copy_backward reverses the order of elements.

swap
Swaps two sets.

iter_swap
Swaps two elements pointed to by iterators. Main { Int: 12 7 Pritnf(Enter the two Swaps number); Sacnf; { If     For (i=2;i=>0;i++) Printf( Enter two number) }   {      For (j=1;J>0;J+++) } Printf(max number ) Getch; }
 * 1) Include
 * 2) include

transform
Applies a function to a range.

random_shuffle
Randomly shuffles a range.

sort
Sorts elements in a range.

A  retains the original order of equal elements. A  does not provide any advantage over a simple sort of, say, a list of integer values (if the list contains multiple values of "2", it doesn't matter which "2" comes first). However, consider the example of sorting a list of  objects by their first name only. Two different employees may share the same first name (which gives them the ordering relative to the rest of the list). If "Bob Smith" was before to "Bob Jones" in the list prior to the sort, then  would guarantee Smith was before Jones in the sorted list;   does not make such a guarantee. The  algorithm is marginally less efficient due to added constraint.

binary_search
Searches a sorted range for a value.

next_permutation
Transforms a range to the next permutation.

Reversed by.

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User:K3vin

K3vin's Wikiv3rsity Us3r pag3

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Da Plus da plus
wiki software uses the + to ad tot a talk page. Apparently you can alt + too. --K3vin 00:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

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User:Skoch3

Please see my wikipedia user page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Skoch3 or my OpenWetWare user page: http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Steven_J._Koch

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Talk:Buddhist Studies

How is it Buddhism falls under the School of Theology? Is there a study of theos involved or was that just a projection of the western perceptual bias being curbed by deciding that it fits under the DoT?

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Current version
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Assume Good Faith

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User talk:Francisco~enwikiversity

 Hello Francisco, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

 * Take a guided tour and learn to edit.
 * Visit a (kind of) random project.
 * Browse Wikiversity, or visit a portal corresponding to your educational level: pre-school, primary, secondary, tertiary, non-formal education.
 * Find out about research activities on Wikiversity.

 * Read an introduction for teachers and find out how to write an educational resource for Wikiversity.
 * Give feedback about your initial observations
 * Discuss Wikiversity issues or ask questions at the colloquium.
 * Chat with other Wikiversitans on #wikiversity-en.

And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage, and see you around Wikiversity! --mikeu talk 16:27, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Your account will be renamed
Hello,

The developer team at Wikimedia is making some changes to how accounts work, as part of our on-going efforts to provide new and better tools for our users like cross-wiki notifications. These changes will mean you have the same account name everywhere. This will let us give you new features that will help you edit and discuss better, and allow more flexible user permissions for tools. One of the side-effects of this is that user accounts will now have to be unique across all 900 Wikimedia wikis. See the announcement for more information.

Unfortunately, your account clashes with another account also called Francisco. To make sure that both of you can use all Wikimedia projects in future, we have reserved the name Francisco~enwikiversity that only you will have. If you like it, you don't have to do anything. If you do not like it, you can pick out a different name.

Your account will still work as before, and you will be credited for all your edits made so far, but you will have to use the new account name when you log in.

Sorry for the inconvenience.

Yours, Keegan Peterzell Community Liaison, Wikimedia Foundation 23:32, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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User talk:Egm6321.f09

 Hello Egm6321.f09, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

 * Take a guided tour and learn to edit.
 * Visit a (kind of) random project.
 * Browse Wikiversity, or visit a portal corresponding to your educational level: pre-school, primary, secondary, tertiary, non-formal education.
 * Find out about research activities on Wikiversity.

 * Read an introduction for teachers and find out how to write an educational resource for Wikiversity.
 * Give feedback about your initial observations
 * Discuss Wikiversity issues or ask questions at the colloquium.
 * Chat with other Wikiversitans on #wikiversity-en.

And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage, and see you around Wikiversity! --mikeu talk 19:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Category:CC-BY-NC-SA-3.0-US
Please note that no licences which restrict commercial use are accepted as a free licence on the Wikimedia Foundation projects. Content must either be released under a licence which doesn't restrict commercial reuse, or be unfree, and used under the defence of fair use. Where you are uploading content you have created, it is clearly not appropriate to claim fair use since you could choose to release the content under a free licence. As such, if you are not able to change the licence to remove the commercial restriction, these images will have to be deleted I'm afraid. Regards. Adambro 20:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

 * Please do not upload any more images under the Creative commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 US licence. As I've explained above, this licence is not permitted. Adambro 10:19, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

 * FYI, File:Egm6321.f09.p8-3.png has non-commercial license. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 12:14, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Please stop uploading files with a licence of non commercial use only. These files are not compatible with the terms of use of this website. --mikeu talk 00:16, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

date	Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:38 AM subject	Wikiversity files

Dear Prof. Loc Vu-Quoc,

My name is Adambro and I'm a contributor to Wikiversity. I note that you have uploaded a number of image of your lecture transparencies to Wikiversity. Unfortunately, the Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-Share Alike 3.0 United States is not considered a relaxed enough licence according to the definition used by the Wikimedia Foundation who host Wikiversity. The problem is that non commercial restriction.

Content which is not available under a licence considered to be a free licence can only be used in limited circumstances where it can be shown that there was no alternative. Where it is the creator who uploads content, it is impossible to justify allowing non-free content to be uploaded because they could simply choose a free licence.

There have been a number of attempts by myself and others to bring this problem to your attention via your user talk page on Wikiversity with no success.

Unless you are able to reconsider the licensing of these images then I am afraid they will have to be deleted. If you need any help to resolve this issue then please let me know.

Regards,

Adambro, Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 9:38 AM

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Algorithms and Data Structures

Algorithm -- briefly, is a step-by-step instruction that as a whole complete a process. Usually this process solves problems such as sorting, finding data, and many other problems. It can be thought of as a recipe, with each ingredient contributing to the whole food, thus solving your problem of hunger :)

Examples of Algorithms
Linear searching algorithm : A linear searching has O(n) time complexity. Lets step through a process of creating an algorithm for this problem.

Steps:
 * 1) We need a way to check through every element in the data. This can be done through a loop. A loop (ex, for loop, while loop) enables the programmer to run a block of code multiple times
 * 2) Each iteration we need to check if the value that we are searching for matches. If so then return that index.
 * 3) handle error, like what happens if the value we are searching for is not there ?

Since we have the step-by-step process written. We are able to effectively write an algorithm that follows the process above.

This function is written in C++.

int searchLinearly( int * Array, int MaxSize, int searchValue) {   //Step # 1 - loop through every element if needed for(int i = 0; i < MaxSize; i++) {       if( Array[i] == searchValue ) // Step # 2 -- search value return i;   } return -1; //Step # 3 -- handle error if value not found }

So as you can see there is a step-by-step process in creating an algorithm. The above code could be written in template version but I chose not to for simplicity sake.

Wikipedia

 * List of algorithms
 * Data structure
 * Data type
 * List of data structures
 * Category:Algorithms and data structures
 * Algorithms + Data Structures = Programs (book)
 * List of terms relating to algorithms and data structures
 * Algorithm
 * Search data structure

Data Structure Article
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BaSESpring2009

Course Background, Description, and Expectations
The goal of the course is to learn how to approach sustainability as an engineer and entrepreneur. Many students are interested in joining the field, but don't know how it works day-to-day, or about the wide range of opportunities available in the field. I hope to have a speaker each week to talk about how they got into sustainability, and what sort of challenges they tackle each day. Additionally, I'd love to talk about why some green technologies have succeeded or failed, and have discussions about what to expect in the future.

As a one-credit pass/fail course, each week includes three hours of expected work time. This translates into a one-hour seminar and a two-hour project work requirement. The course will be colored E!, although I'm largely interested in the interplay between business and technology.

For example, what's a big reason you don't see more solar concentrators like the one on the right?

Is it because they take up too much space? Nope!

Is it because those mirrors are so expensive? Nope!

One of their biggest costs is actually water use!

Like when they have to wash the mirrors?

Wrong again!

Washing the mirrors only accounts for 1.5% of their usage. The rest is used simply cooling their heat engine by evaporation, because the plants are necessarily situated in hot, dry climates that suck at convection. So one of the most important technological breakthroughs for solar energy could be a cheap, large-scale cooling apparatus for these situations. Who knew?

But what really killed this technology was the misapplication of government subsidies intended to promote green energy, which scared away a large investor and bankrupted the promising company instantly. This 1990 solar concentrator company, LUZ, was the topic of my independent study, and I'll cover the whole story in class. Examples like this pop up again and again, so I want to discuss the whole picture, including financial, social and governmental issues.

Seminars
Hosted by an outside industry speaker, professor or student presenting their research.

For example, the Senior Engineer at GreenMountain Engineering, a mechanical engineering consulting firm that specializes in sustainable technologies, will talk about how he went from a BA in English in California to his current position in Boston.

Later in the term, students will be expected to complete a small research project in a sustainable topic of interest, and we'll do a round of presentations on that.

Feedback and Reflection
Periodically taken via email and awkward lunchtime conversations

Recording and Archiving
All talks will be recorded and potentially uploaded for posterity.

Competencies
Olin College employs a competency system. The following competencies will be addressed by the course:

 * Life Long Learning
 * Communication
 * Opportunity Assessment

What is a Good Seminar?
Here's the general format that I'm envisioning:
 * Background- what got you interested in sustainability? What did you want to be as a kid?  What did you love in school?
 * Career – Where did you work before your current position? Did you like it?  How did you find your current position?
 * Daily Life- What’s it like in your position? What sort of skills come in handy?  What sort of person seems to like it?
 * The future- Will there be a need for many more people in your position? What do you think is the Next Big Thing in your field?

Things that I would be excited to learn in a seminar (feel free to add!):
 * What it's like to be an engineer at a normal company who's trying to push them to make some green changes
 * How to convince people to buy a product that's sustainable, despite higher price or other undesirable attributes
 * What sort of companies, besides the obvious solar-type companies, you can work at and be doing green projects
 * What sort of special skills are required to consider yourself a 'sustainable engineer'

Also, we'd love to get companies to present about how great they would be to intern at, and accept resumes.

Participants
Signing up is as easy as adding your name here, putting your availability here, writing your name on a standard IS form that Matt sends you, and coming to class!

''Being on this list is no longer enough to guarantee advance notice for lectures! (Our standards are going up, I suppose) If you'd like to join that elite group, just sign up for our email list: http://lists.olin.edu/mailman/listinfo/base''

 * Matt Ritter (Olin College)
 * Steve Schiffman, Faculty Adviser (Olin College)
 * Kelcy Adamec tentatively (Olin College)
 * Jeffrey Atkinson (Olin College)
 * Elsa Culler (Olin College)
 * Kevin Simon (Olin College)
 * Chen Wang (Olin College)
 * Yiyang Li (Olin College)
 * Katherine Elliott (Olin College)
 * Matt Huang (Olin College)
 * Johannes Santen (Olin College)
 * James Regulinski (Olin College)
 * Boris Taratutin (Olin College)
 * Victoria Carlson (Babson College)
 * Jacob West (Olin)
 * Jef Gluckstein (Olin)
 * Gavin Boggs (Olin)
 * Andrea Striz (Olin)
 * Rebecca Belisle (Olin)
 * Phil Dirkse (Olin)

For Credit:
 * Matt
 * Jeff
 * Elsa
 * Yiyang
 * Johannes
 * James
 * Kelliot

Speakers

 * Energy and Resource Solutions: Green consulting
 * Matt Ritter: Green entrepreneurship and the art of couch sleeping (Feb 4)
 * Jim Dunn: New startups and projects in R/E & sustainability – great opportunities for bright interns
 * Navigant: Sustainability consulting (March 11)
 * Brandon Stafford: The career of a green engineer (March 4)
 * Video Links (90MB each):
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4ZUNxV3JVVGxjR0E9PQ
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4ZUNxV3JsMHhjR0E9PQ
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4ZUNnTXYrV3l4dnc9PQ
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4ZUNnTXYzeUpFQlE9PQ
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4ZUNrNkdlM1JFQlE9PQ
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4ZUN1Z2o1R05FQlE9PQ
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4ZUN0NmNVbTljR0E9PQ
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4ZUNpVnN0d0ZFQlE9PQ
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4ZUNnT01reEJFQlE9PQ
 * https://download.yousendit.com/Y2o4eUNBNDRGOFJFQlE9PQ

 * Johnson Controls: Building sustainability (Feb 20)
 * Eric Munsing '08: An Olin alum's path to sustainability consulting (March 27)
 * Herbert: Getting dragged into Taiwan's environmental scene
 * Christie Lee '07: Green Consumer products, (Feb 25)
 * Bruce Fulford: Alternate Revenue Streams from Municipal Compost
 * Ron Guerriero: Green energy business plan competitions (Feb 13)

What Do You Want to Learn About?
Fill this space with topics you would like to learn about. Maybe someone knows a lot about it.

 * Why do big companies decided to go green? Are they serious about it?
 * Is the offsetting of your emissions with carbon credits a cop-out, or effective investment in the future?
 * How does a sustainable engineer's job differ day-to-day from a normal career path?
 * Are there entrepreneurial opportunities that don't require $100 million up front?

Blogs
Grist Overly optimistic articles intermixed with some real gems- sort of like popular science for green issues

Brandon Stafford's personal blog ''Extremely insightful articles. If you don't understand, it was probably a joke, or Assembly''

Books
Collapse ''We don't really hear about civilization collapse, except for the Romans. Turns out that it happens a fair amount, and many of them can be traced to environmental degredation''

Periodicals
The startling power of efficiency This whole concept that capitalism naturally stamps out waste is demonstrated to be pretty idealistic

PDFs
Saul Griffth explains what sacrifices you'd have to make to achieve carbon sustainability- it's a whole different lifestyle

Sustainability in Construction

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Wikiversity talk:Subpages

Clarifying policies
This page really needs fleshing out. It seems to me that it's only a list of things that you could potentially use subpages for, which is slightly redundant because the potential uses are almost limitless. Maybe the focus of this page should be what subpages are NOT used for, or perhaps the benefits of subpages (such as the automatic link to the main page). Trinity507 00:12, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Good idea! Edit away!  The Jade Knight (d'viser) 06:25, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * But note also: Help:Subpages.  The Jade Knight (d'viser) 06:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Quite; this page purports to be a proposed policy, but doesn't actually spell out what the proposal is. Does anyone know if there's been any discussion about Wikiversity subpages anywhere else that might be of interest?  — Sam Wilson ( Talk • Contribs ) … 07:28, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure of any other discussions but I would agree that the page does not explicitly state what the policy is. It seems it hasn't been updated in a while. Devourer09  ( t · c ) 21:14, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Subpages looks not much different than wikibooks. It looks like there are subtle differences. How is the overlap distinguished? Sidelight12 Talk 13:08, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Let's use subpages to improve this resource
I have begun an essay Subpages/Forking and organizing which posits that we should rethink how we use subpages. Appropriately, I will use subpages to structure how this essay is viewed and edited. --Guy vandegrift (discuss • contribs) 11:21, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

 * Actually, the first step would be to document how we actually use subpages. There are several purposes. One is content organization, creating a default navigational structure that is easy to understand and follow. It encourages the use of brief and clearly descriptive names. The other is that subpages allow great flexibility, not present at the top level in mainspace. This is how I have interpreted this, and, so far, it has worked spectacularly in the few cases where problems have arisen.

 * Wikiversity has a neutrality policy. While neutrality is not necessarily well-defined, there is a maximization measure of it: consensus. If there is 100% consensus, we may consider we have achieved neutrality, at least until someone else objects. What is not commonly understood by Wikipedians is that 100% consensus may be much easier to find than is commonly thought.

 * Wikipedia, with its flat mainspace, gives a topic a name. Only one page per name is allowed, by the software. Further, content forks are strongly discourages. So having a page like Objection to pipelines will generally not be allowed, even though that is an organizable topic, even though the page itself could be reliably sourced, verifiable. Rather, the article might be Pipeline and then objection is found within the article. I've seen more neutral titles also be taken down: "Controversy over ..." is often rejected.

 * There is a resource I created in 2011, Landmark Education, because I'd just taken the entry-level course they offer, and wanted to create a Glossary. So I created that summary page, which looked like this before my block in late 2011: . In 2013, a user appeared who is famous as being "anti-cult." He began editing the page to add extensive and highly critical material. As I recall, he's been sanctioned on en.wiki for this activity. If you look at the history of the subpage Landmark_Education/Abd, which was the original page, you can see the problem developing. So I forked it. This was experimental, though I had a pretty good idea of what I was doing. The present page shows three forks. Now, I probably wouldn't create the "neutral" fork. I just wanted to make this clear that we didn't have two owners for the full resource.

 * This worked, spectacularly. He developed his resource, I helped a little, I developed mine, and continue to use and expand it. He was allowed to express himself fully. I have not generally monitored his page for neutrality, and it doesn't have to be neutral. It's his opinion! If I saw anything positively deceptive there, though, I'd probably not allow it, it would be a violation of scholarly ethics, agreement to which is fundamental for our allowance of original research. Later, that user was involved in some disruption on Wikiquote. I intervened, and I'd say that was successful because the user trusted me, and that trust arose from our collaboration here.

 * In order to do this in a flat namespace, one could create a page, Landmark Education, with, then, links to other mainspace pages, but how would they be named? All mainspace pages, in a flat mainspace, are equal. And that can cause what is called, on en.wikipedia, undue weight. Is criticism of global warming equal to global warming? That's a bankrupt approach that does neither side a favor, everything is reduced to a debate, with no collaboration. It's like newspaper articles that report "both sides" with no neutral analysis. Lazy journalism. Fact checking? No, why bother? A says "Blap" and B says "Bleep." And that's the news, folks.

 * In this case, I defined the subpages by user names, making attribution very clear. Using subpages is far simpler, and someone looking for information on Landmark Education will find it, quickly, and quickly see both pages. They are neutrally described. I have not added to the top level page, "Abd has massive experience with Landmark training, Cirt has read some negative books and believes them." In fact, you can find criticism of Landmark in my resource, so this is not a division into "Pro" and "Con."

 * It's a "section," as in college courses with different teachers.

 * For an example of extensive development, this is very recent: Landmark_Education/Abd/Blaming the victim/Never going back. This is a detailed study and commentary of a blog I found. It was more than four full days of work. Someone reading the whole thing will get an intimate view into the most famously difficult of Landmark offerings, the Introduction Leader Program. The blog was about a woman who "escaped," having, it turns out completed that program (which is a huge amount of work) And she had stories to tell!

 * Once I completed the first pass -- it's still just a draft, really, practically a collection of notes, which for something to be more formally published, would be edited down, perhaps way down. -- I notified the blogger of its existence. Her first reaction was hostile (which I expected from what she had described of her personality). However, she then commented on the documents. I have not finished replying to her comments. But she also started up email corrspondence with me. The result was spectacular. Yes, there is some critique of Landmark, that may actually be communicated to Landmark corporate, but, more immediately, this allowed her to resolve and integrate and understand something that had been bothering her for 12 years. She now knows what she did, how she created the situation that she reacted to. And she was grateful for what I'd done.

 * Someone else, looking at this, could easily say tl;dr. But I was taking her intimate description of a piece of her life and paying close attention to it. She's tough, she's no pushover. Not any more!

 * None of this would have been possible in mainspace, I believe, and especially not with a highly skeptical critic watching every move. I learned, she learned, others might learn, and there might be some real-world changes falling out of this.

 * In subpages of Cold fusion there have been discussions and arguments that led to requests for scientists, and a paper was actually written out of this, by a skeptic, addressing an asserted possible artifact, and concluding that it was not possible. There have been other questions and responses to scientists in the field that came out of these discussions. And, of course, the work I've done on that resource -- which is relatively disorganized, a collection of brief discussions at the top level linked to many "seminars," or specific explorations -- led ultimately to my being invited to submit a paper to a peer-reviewed journal, and it was published in February. We have an entire subpage structure devoted to papers in that special issue of Current Science, where anyone may comment, analyze, criticize, or praise papers. So far, no takers. But it will happen.

 * Now, there have been attempts to add sister wiki links to this resource on Wikipedia. They were always reverted on the claim that this was "self-published" (but it was not being linked as "reliable source," or that it was "Abd's private page." Which has never been true. However, none of the critics have ever come to Wikiversity to attempt to fix problematic content. I would very easily move anything controversial to attributed subpages.

 * We have another resource on a highly controversial topic: Parapsychology. You can see how that has been managed. An SPA (single purpose account) appeared here to attack the user mostly working on that resource, demanding he be blocked here as he was on Wikipedia. But he is not damaging our site neutrality. I set that up, in discussions that included scientists in the field and even a Nobel Prize winner. I have no clue how I'd do this without subpage structure. You can see the forking on Parapsychology/Sources

 * Deep learning and knowledge. That is what subpage structure makes possible.

Consider a future where every Wikipedia article has a sister wiki link on it, if a resource exists here, where people may learn more -- often much more -- about the topic, discuss it, criticize the Wikipedia article, study it in depth. In theory, see w:Wikipedia:Sister wiki this should already being done. Users on Wikipedia are warned not to discuss the topic on Wikipedia talk pages, and may be blocked if they do. Yet I have never seen them informed that they can do this on Wikiversity. There are plenty of links in existence, but I have not seen them be allowed where they would be most important: articles about controversies. --Abd (discuss • contribs) 20:54, 3 September 2015 (UTC)

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User:Tsheetsdmt

Todd C. Sheets (born Feb, 23rd, 1954) is a business owner maintaining residences in both Oregon and Washington States. He currently works for the Dept. of Energy.

Todd is a well respected former elected City Councilor for the City of Redmond, Oregon, and was once nominated for Citizen of the Year. Over the years he has worked as a general contractor, building his own hardware store (West Way Hardware - 1986 to 1993) and created and built the very popular, The County Nook Cafe, also in Redmond. He is a Master Carpenter and multi-certified ICC/State of Oregon Commercial Building Inspector, Building Offical, Post General Earthquake Inspector and Residential Plumbing Inspector. His interests also include Building Biology and Metaphysical Theology. A devout fan of CBS Big Brother since its conception and a semi-finalist twice for seasons BB3 and BB5. A reality television addict as well, and a fan and friend of Kail Harbick, season 8 of Big Brother.

Married to his high school sweetheart Trudy and the father of two grown children. He has 4 grandchildren.

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User talk:Tsheetsdmt

 Hello Tsheetsdmt, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may

 * Take a guided tour and learn to edit.
 * Visit a (kind of) random project.
 * Browse Wikiversity, or visit a portal corresponding to your educational level: pre-school, primary, secondary, tertiary, non-formal education.
 * Find out about research activities on Wikiversity.

 * Read an introduction for teachers and find out how to write an educational resource for Wikiversity.
 * Give feedback about your initial observations
 * Discuss Wikiversity issues or ask questions at the colloquium.
 * Chat with other Wikiversitans on #wikiversity-en.

And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold to contribute and to experiment with the sandbox or your userpage, and see you around Wikiversity! --mikeu talk 02:57, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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Ethnobotanical research projects

part of the Ethnobotany department of the School of Plant Sciences and the School of Ethnology!

Ethnobotanical research project
We encourage you to use Wikiversity to do your own ethnobotanical research project! Our theory has undergone some major surgery but is now fully operational. We're trying to organize plants by their original traditional uses. Our original "personal" project idea has now been mostly phased out due to the redundancy of having multiple projects, and now our main "cooperative" global project is the focus of this resource. However, field research by an individual should be classed as a personal project where they can record their information in one place. This should be an attributed project. Please discuss the difference between the cooperative and personal projects here.

 * Cooperative project master project

Personal projects
Original field research only
 * Start your project here!

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Ethnobotanical research projects/Cooperative project

Ethnobotanical master project
Welcome to the master project! This can hopefully become a useful database for those interested in herbal and indigenous medicine as well as the other traditional uses of plants. We hope to index each plant by its uses and by culture. If you are looking to build your own database of plant descriptions and notes, please do that on your own personal research project. This is a database of only the uses of plants (not where to find them, etc.) Please be aware that this project is still under construction, but do feel free to contribute and build on ethnobotanical knowledge!

 * By traditional use
 * By culture
 * Complete alphabetical index
 * Plant pages under active construction check here before creating a new page!


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Trinity507

Trinity507's ethnobotany research project
My current work in progress; I'm trying to document all the plants that I can identify, memorize their Latin names and record their traditional uses. My primary emphasis is on traditional Native American uses, especially by the Anishinabe (Ojibwa or Chippewa) people. Please see the indexes to start browsing my work! I plan to start uploading my own images of these plants soon, but for now I'm just using Commons images.

Indexes

 * Every plant listed alphabetically
 * Indexed by traditional use

Bibliography and sources
A note: I have not copied text or information directly from these books or websites. I have used them to obtain free information such as Latin names, etc. and also for information on chemical constituents. I am listing them here as places that got me started on my own original research and good sources for any amateur or professional ethnobotanist. If you have any copyright concerns, please let me know right away!
 * The Magic and Medicine of Plants by Reader's Digest, ISBN 0-89577-221-3
 * Plants Used by the Great Lakes Ojibwa by Great Lakes Indian Fish & Wildlife Commission, ISBN 0-9665820-1-2
 * Dr. Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases

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User talk:Jade Knight/Archives/2006

Multilingualism Practicum
Hi Jade Knight! I was thrilled and challenged by your interest in my little Multilingual worksheet and have made some adjustments to the page, expanding it a bit from your input. It's just a work-sheet at this point, but something I'm hoping might develop is a Wikiversity:Translator's Handbook or similar resource. I am hopelessly monlingual (at this point), and would value your continued input and feedback. (Please follow "what links here" at Practicum. I think it might interest you.) Thanks! CQ 04:29, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Topic:Cession in South African Law
If this is a course, it should probably be moved out of the Topic: namespace. The Jade Knight 06:06, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was going to ask somebody to do that, i.e. redirect to the relevant place. I think that South African Law should be the topic. I have still not got my head around the naming conventions but would be grateful if you would redirect to where it has to go. Thanks. Andrew massyn 06:16, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I did'nt realise you were not a member of the support staff. I will ask one of them to redirect. Andrew massyn 06:25, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

French
I think we should all get together to write at least one lesson for the French Program. Like "How to Introduce yourself" or "Introductory Verbs"(etre, avoir, faire . . .)Elatanatari 21:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

What do you have in mind?--Elatanatari 21:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Other than going around and talking to French people, not really. Maybe writing stories in French or a penpal program with French Wikiversity students of english. ?Elatanatari 22:02, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Want to have a brainstorming meeting for a learning project?Elatanatari 01:31, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Hi Michael, I just wanted to say thanks for your comments, generally, and for the fact that you're just jumping in and trying to improve something that obviously isn't perfect. Wikiversity needs people like you. :-) Cormaggio 10:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

 * "To be honest, I've spent way more time here than I can afford." - Yep, join the club :-) (though I've managed to carve out a niche for myself, where spending a lot of time on Wikiversity is what I actually do - in real life (TM)). If you don't mind me asking, what do you do? (Please feel free to ignore that question, if you like). But overall, I am very grateful for your participation and your attitude towards Wikiversity. Cormaggio 10:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Wanted to say thanks so much for the help you've given me so far in my continuing acclimation to Wikiversity...much appreciated! I guess I need to check out the Sandbox... KirbyPuckettFan 20:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

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Research meeting
Hi Michael, just to let you know that the IRC meeting about research will be this Saturday (10th) @ 22:00 UTC (see, ) in freenode channel #wikiversity (not #wikiversity-en). Details on page on Beta. Hopefully see you there.. Cormaggio beep 00:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Cleanups
Thanks for your clean ups and copyedits of my edits.--Juan 09:17, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

merging Spanish pages
I followed the link for discussion of the proposed merge and found what seemed to me a clear statement by Juan, "I am against the merge". I recently spent some time discussing Spanish: An Introduction with Juan in the #wikiversity-en chat channel and it seemed clear to me that Juan wanted to try doing an introductory Spanish class "his way". I like the idea that we can "run small experiments, tests, see what works, what doesn't, and be prepared to be flexible and change". I think it would make sense to have a central page for "introductory Spanish" where the various learning options are described and learners can then select which option(s) they want to explore further. --JWSchmidt 23:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

"several newcomers have complained about not having any idea about where to go or how to sign up. Another disadvantage of multiple redundant courses, apart from being confusing to newcomers, is that they spread out the already limited participation at Wikiversity. Whatever is decided by the Spanish department, something needs to be done about the participant lists". <-- I object to the term "redundant courses". I think the Wikiversity community needs to welcome the prospect that there will be multiple available approaches for learners who are interested in a particular topic. Wikipedia has disambiguation pages for encyclopedia articles, Wikiversity can have "disambiguation" pages when there are multiple "courses" for one topic. Each "course" can have its own "participant list". --JWSchmidt 00:44, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

"If you want those coming to Wikiversity to get disoriented and confused, fine." Assume Good Faith I think we can provide multiple learning paths and options without anyone getting confused. It will require that we actually take the time to orient new participants so that they understand the available options. --JWSchmidt 13:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

"The merge tags which you removed were an attempt to orient newcomers and give them an idea of the mess which the Spanish department is currently in. It was also a way of saying "Hey! Something needs to be done about this!" You removed it but did not fix anything; to me, that seems like a step backwards (what happened to assuming good faith in my placing the merge tag)? I apologize that I'm being curt; frankly, it bothers me that you just nonchalantly stepped in without discussing the issue or contributing anything productive, and removed a tag which I placed there to help people notice a significant issue which needs to be improved, and expect me to see how this is obviously beneficial." <-- If you want to "orient newcomers" then you can make a portal page for the Spanish category, use the Spanish page as an orientation page, make a new page called something like "Orientation for Spanish learners" or make a new template called "Let's figure out how to orient Spanish learners". The merge template was on Spanish: An Introduction for long enough that Juan was able to make clear that the merger idea was not welcome. You are free to continue asking Juan to do the merge, but I think there are better solutions to the "mess" than forcing Juan to do something that he does not want to do. Page merge is for two pages that are truly duplicate efforts. Juan is trying to use a different approach so he has every right to have a page where he can explore his ideas. --JWSchmidt 13:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

"You're saying a lot about how Juan feels, but you removed the template, not him. Why don't you let Juan speak and act for himself instead of putting words into his mouth? I also was not forcing him to do anything—having a merge tag does not require anyone to do anything. You are also acting like Wikiversity pages "belong" to people. I was not aware that this was the position Wikiversity had adopted. Could you please point me to the page of the relevant policy so I can educated myself more about it?" <-- I think it is your job to explain why it makes sense to ignore his wishes. Do you really think it is unreasonable for Wikiversity to allow multiple pages that explore multiple approaches to teaching the same material? You had the idea for merging two pages and it was pointed out to you that the two pages were not duplicates and so they should not be merged. Merging those two pages would not benefit Wikiversity. I have suggested several alternatives that could be used to deal with the existing problem. If someone creates a Wikiversity page that adopts a particular pedagogical style then then why not allow that page to exist as an option for Wikiversity participants? Juan explicitly invited others to join in and participate at Spanish: An Introduction either in the role of teacher or learner. I view Spanish: An Introduction as an experiment, an exploration of one approach to introducing people to Spanish. I respect his effort to create a page where Wikiversity participants can explore one particular approach to that topic and I do not see this as an issue of "Wikiversity pages belonging to people". Wikiversity participants who are interested in that teaching/learning method will participate at that page. Wikiversity participants who want to try a different approach can go to another page. If anyone is confused by having several options, then an effort should be made to create a central page where the available options can be explained and links can exist to the individual pages that hold different pedagogical approaches to the same topic. --JWSchmidt 13:37, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

"Can you please show me how Spanish: An Introduction is in a different pedagogically different to Spanish/Spanish One?" <-- I do not see anything like Spanish: An Introduction/Teaching tools, Spanish: An Introduction/About Spanish and Spanish: An Introduction/Pronunciation associated with Spanish/Spanish One. I've seen no mention of someone being available through Spanish/Spanish One for live audio chat. "I am objecting to your stepping in and taking the issue into your own hands" <-- When I saw the merge template I was willing to assume good faith and accept that you might have thought the two pages should be merged. When Juan said that you were wrong, that the two pages were not a duplication, that the pages should not be merged, it was time to take the merge template off of the two pages. Now you seem to have admitted that you were trying to use the merge template for something other than merging the two pages. That means you were mis-using the merge template and it was proper for anyone to remove the mis-used merge templates from those two pages at any time. You should not have tried to use the merge template. "One person is not a consensus." <-- It is not a matter of needed consensus to stop one person from mis-using the merge template. "The way you are presenting the issue makes it appear that you believe that, because he initially created the page, it belongs to him and his word goes." <-- I've explained to you why this is the wrong way to describe what is going on. "there is currently absolutely no indicator on the page that there are multiple introductory Spanish courses floating around" <-- I have previously suggested one sensible way to add this information to the page. Anyone can add this information the the page at any time, just do not try to do so with a merge template. The merge template is the wrong tool to try to use for this purpose. --JWSchmidt 04:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

"In what way are the participation lists not a duplication?" <-- I've already explained that both pages can have a participation list for people to use or not use as they wish. "In my opinion, the participation lists should have been merged." <-- Why? "The lessons probably should have" <-- Why can't Wikiversity provide multiple options for learners? "If you removed it thinking I had misused it, you were failing to assume good faith. If you removed it thinking I had used it correctly and was acting in good faith, you were not bothering to find consensus." <-- I've previously explained what I was thinking; Juan explained that the pages were not duplicates and should not be merged and that should have been enough to end the matter. "your behavior, particularly for an administrator, was out of line" <-- I was not acting as an administrator. If you still think that I was wrong to remove the template then why don't you just put it back on the pages? "I don't know what right you feel you have to go in and take away the merge tag (which stated that there was a discussion on the issue of merging, which there indeed was, as you may have noticed if you bothered looking at the talk page) and not replace it with anything OR contribute to discussion." <-- I've already explained why, but for some reason you seem to prefer to ignore my explanation. This is really a huge waste of time. Why not just make it clear to Spanish learners that the two pages exist and they can use either or both pages? --JWSchmidt 14:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

General
Hey Jade Knight, I would like to help you and the department in any which way I can. If I can be of any assistance please feel free to comment on my talk page.DanSto 04:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Translations...
Just in case...w:Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language might be of use to you. Cheers, --HappyCamper 15:17, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

English as a second language desk
It looks loads better now, thanks to your efforts, but the one thing that still bothers me is the word "learner." Is that standard usage? Are there any good synonyms that you can think of that would work well? All I can think of is "student," which may not be the right connotation.

As for the he or she thing, I hope that singular they becomes standard formal English soon... :-)

Thanks --Falconus 14:18, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser discussions
Hi Jade Knight. If you can spare the time, your opinion would be greatly appreciated in the discussion currently going on about getting local Checkuser permissions here on Wikiversity. As an active user here, you're probably familiar with the "quiet, behind the scenes" way that we introduce new Custodians, but requesting Checkuser actually requires a "show of support" for the foundation stewards to give us this tool.

If you're not familiar with Checkuser, it's a tool we can use to find the source IP address (and/or alternate accounts) of vandals and others who mean harm to the project. This allows us to both "stop the problem at the source", or in some cases lets us know we can't stop something at the source if an IP is shared by one or more constructive contributors. --SB_Johnny | talk 11:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

French Material to feed you
Hello, Greetings from the OLPC project. I have a French professor from Slovenia with an online coursebook of Year One French (as a Foreign Language) that he would like to donate to the OLPC project. Wikibooks or Wikiversity is the best place for this sort of content.

You seem to have structured a great deal of the planning of the French material, would you like to help me structure the wikification? I haven't ever fed any material to wikiversity before, and I'm curious as to the care and handling of such a beast. 69.59.76.78 21:59, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I didn't have a wikiversity account yet (Sign above as well)Sethwoodworth 22:20, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

History Department
Hi there, and thanks for your comment on my talk page.

I actually got involved with WV because of a course in the History Dept., and thus my choice of usernames. I am signed up in one course, but there isn't too much activity, as you said -- and I've gotten a bit caught up on the CompSci side of WV. We do have some interesting things on the boil that might help the History department ... one includes realtime voice discussions. I do have plans to resume my course, and would love to join any discussions. Let me know if the voice stuff would help at all. Historybuff 05:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry for the delayed response -- I've now commented on both of your referenced talk pages. I hope this helps a bit. I am going to try and return more actively to my history course, and check in on the policy pages from time to time. I think you should think about things that would be helpful to the history department for collaborating -- I touched on some of these in one of my comments, but the Sandbox Server might help facilitate some real time (or even same day/not real time) interactions. Let me know what you think. Historybuff 21:07, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

hey jade knight, i wanted to launch a course on Haitian History. I've done three years of personal studies on that subject. I've also lived in Haiti for about four years and took a year of Haitian History, and I think I am qualified to instruct such a class. History of Haiti.--Jfrankc08 21:42, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

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Request on History talk page
Since you told: "Have any questions? Leave them on the School's talk page, or contact Michael-Forest with your question." Erkan Yilmaz ( Wikiversity:Chat, wiki blog ) 07:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

hey! welcome back!
welcome back! :-) --Remi 03:53, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I feel ya. ^^ --Remi 05:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Not Wikicratic
Hey JK, thanks for stepping in and saving us from future troubles - it's always easier to change things before they're very large. I posted a reply on the discussion page; let us know what you think.
 * --Opensourcejunkie 18:35, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Heh, that's funny. After moving Biblical Overview to a more specific title, I went over to Salvation to do the same. Found your comment; guess we're thinking along similar lines now. I'm on it
 * --Opensourcejunkie 07:23, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

 * The article is moved, but I have a few reservations about it (the article, not the move). I didn't grab a specific denominational stance, rather I labeled it according to the method of scriptural interpretation I used instead.  Thus, it doesn't constitute a summary of an already established position; rather it reflects original research - my own.

 * The reason I didn't choose a denominational stance is twofold:
 * I find that denominational biases tend to inhibit unbiased interpretation of scripture, but more importantly
 * I didn't cite any denominational references in the article. Pegging it onto a specific denomination in its current form would be unscholarly.

 * So I wanted to ask your advice concerning this article. I had hoped to contain only references to scripture within the actual article, to (as stated above) avoid denominational biases.  Because of that the article is original research, and should probably be tagged as such.  What is the appropriate method of tagging original research on Wikiversity?

 * Also, I was reading about Disclosures, and I wonder if using the Disclosures template might help resolve some of the bias issues of using a literal-normal interpretation technique. What do you think about that?

 * Thanks for helping to qualify my contributions,
 * --Opensourcejunkie 08:30, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Disclosures
Hey, JK.

I noticed that you commented on the Disclosures page (like a year ago), and I wanted to ask - do you know what's going on with that proposed policy? Nobody's commented on it since last year. Was anything ever decided?

 * --Opensourcejunkie 12:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Keeping me on my toes
Hi. Thanks for your comments about project boxes. The project boxes project is a little bit large. I may have explained some of the points I made elsewhere, but you're not the first to have misunderstood the rather obscure programmatic possibilities behind these things! It's good that I should have to explain them more. The project box thing is also very incomplete - one of a huge number of mega-projects I'm less than halfway through... Nothing worse than a half-finished mega-project! I hope my points made sense. See you on the talk page if they don't. --McCormack 11:20, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

History template
I've started updating this for you, but I'm still debugging my updates. I'll keep you posted. --McCormack 04:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

 * OK - I have an initial experiment for you to try out. This is really to see what you like and get some feedback for further changes. The code   produces the box on the right, using the parameter "subcat". This allows you to change the category to whatever you like, and use the project box as well if you like it. Additionally, a note is added to the template text explaining the subcategorisation. The wording could be changed - for example, one could simple write "this is a [subcat] resource". What do you think? --McCormack 06:32, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your suggestions. One restriction we need to stay within is that of using "parameter names" - i.e.   rather than   . The problem with unnamed parameters is that they must be ordered, which becomes impossible on these subject box templates as they have so many options. BTW, the many-options thing is something which responds to earlier criticism of the boxes - earlier on, other people wanted other kinds of flexibility in the boxes. Somehow the project boxes engender strong feelings (rather like user boxes on Wikipedia), so I have to cater for lots of demands. --McCormack 06:52, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Bug: I found a bug in the defaults as a result of your comment. Going off to fix it...! --McCormack 06:54, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I've fixed the default bug. So what about the wording? Thoughts? --McCormack 07:22, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

New tool for category maintenance
Template:spy experiments with new features on the category tree system. Place it on category pages with no parameter, or place it on any other page and specify a category using the "cat" parameter. It will display a reverse category tree allowing you to see all the way up the categorisation scheme. Great for category maintenance. --McCormack 07:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Infinite loop
Yes - I saw! The tool will keep the category maintenance people in nirvana for weeks, I hope ;-) --McCormack 08:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Welcome
Hi Michael - thanks for getting involved in the Learning from conflict and incivility project. I look forward to working with you on this issue, and reading more on your own "narrative" - though were you going to have it as a personal 'investigation' of sorts, or to make it more into a personal narrative? Cormaggio talk 07:36, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks very much. Well, it seems like what you're doing personally would also be valuable activities to do as a group - I haven't exactly worked out yet how this project will become useful, so your ideas are most welcome. :-) Cormaggio talk 07:49, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. :-) I've learnt from the ethics project's case studies fiasco that, sometimes, individuals working on separate stories is possibly a good way to start, instead of forcing everyone into a NPOV space. In any case, we're all to some extent individually figuring out the methodology for the learning project as a whole - so I'd like us all to follow and discuss each other's work, without turning the activity into a competition for who's version will 'win'. Cormaggio talk 08:03, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * That's a nice comment - thanks a lot. :-) Cormaggio talk 08:10, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought it might be better if I started commenting your workspace's talk page... Cormaggio talk 09:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

A random mascot
 Hello , we are the Baah and Bahh twins and we'd both like to welcome you to Wikiversity. While you sit back and explore Wikiversity, enjoy some of our fresh goat milk. You can help us learn by creating new learning resources or help us by improving the guided tours and other exploration tools. We look forward to seeing you around. Baaaahbye for now.

-- Jtneill - Talk - c 07:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Chinese fire drill
I'm trying to keep spirits up, particularly my own.

I just participated in some interesting IRC chat where I learned that one particular Wikiversity participant has felt intimidated by me. I am wondering how you felt after posting this talk page comment. On my talk page it says, "If something I have done upsets you, please let me know." What that means is: please come to my talk page and tell me what I have done wrong. I really do want to know. I really am interesting in changing my behavior when it causes a problem. I need feedback and I do want to talk to people. I just read an email from Hillgentleman in which he said: "a community of volunteers can work only if its members are happy". If you are unhappy about our past interactions, please talk to me about it. --JWSchmidt 16:52, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

 * "I hope you'll forgive me if I'm terribly straightforward" <-- I might have trouble forgiving you if you were not straightforward!
 * "you simply view the goals of Wikiversity somewhat differently than I do" <-- I would like to explore this with you in more detail.
 * "I am bothered by your pointed "learning projects" which are designed to be arguments against certain ideologies." <-- I assume you are making reference to my "pointed" editing that arises from the fact that I think Wikiversity should welcome new contributors and help them learn to edit and that I object to the deletion of under-developed pages that can potentially be improved into useful learning resources. The problem is that when I just politely suggest that we can welcome new editors rather than delete their work, some people ignore me and keep deleting. I believe that it is a valid educational strategy to make silly and unusual learning resources that attract the attention of people who are ignoring me and what I feel are important parts of Wikiversity culture. What does it hurt if I make a silly over-the-top analogy between barbarians and deletionists? I don't mind some of my learning projects being called "parody" because they are parody in the sense that they are intended to broaden understanding of a topic. This kind of parody might also be called "satire" because I hope to make people examine their approach to a topic and decide for themselves if their previous approach was the best one available.
 * "I am bothered by your explicit and implicit condemnation of individuals" <-- "condemnation" is a rather strong term. I suppose we could say that part of the job of a custodian is to condemn vandals. In other aspects of Wikiversity I do not feel that I have a role to play in condemning editors. I do question and challenge other editors to defend their editing. When I do this in a public forum I do expect other people to notice what is going on and think about the editing that I am challenging. In the case of people who tell me that they will not listen to me, I feel challenged to find "pointed" learning devices that will make them listen to me. In my view, if they do not enjoy my "pointed" learning devices then they should recognize that it would be better for everyone to just talk to me.
 * "you seem unaware that your concept of Wikiversity is only one of many" <-- I assume you mean that I am a strong advocate for my view of what the WMF-approved mission of Wikiversity includes. When I was helping establish Wikiversity as a WMF project, I worked hard to make its scope very broad. I continue to defend that approach. I do recognize that some people are not interested in having such a broad scope for Wikiversity. I'm sure there are many other differences between my view of Wikiversity and the views of others.
 * "your use of straw man arguments" <-- I wonder if you are familiar with A Modest Proposal. I suppose you could call "A Modest Proposal" a straw man argument, but doing so would totally miss the point of what is going on. Sometimes I create silly and over-the-top analogies in the hope that people will be stimulated to think and learn. Is this educational strategy dishonest? I think not. Yes, I hope my learning exercises are effective, but they are tools designed to stimulate thought, not trick people.
 * "I have a very hard time imagining that a good faith user would think dishonesty would be an appropriate tool to support his views." <-- I think we need to examine this in more detail. I have a strong personal commitment to honesty. It troubles me that you think I am dishonest. Maybe you could make a list of things I have said that you think are dishonest and then we can discuss them in detail. Thanks for sharing your thoughts with me! --JWSchmidt 02:14, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Rude
"I want to apologize if I come across as overly hard. I must say I've been significantly irked by some of these things lately, and so when writing about them I may not appear as calm as I otherwise might wish to.  I'm not trying to offend, and I apologize if my tone seems rude." <-- I do not recall ever thinking that you are rude. When you and I were editing collaboratively at Albanian sea port history I was having fun being silly with you. I apologize for any offense I caused. I think of you as a friend and hope you can forgive me for having caused you pain. Causing you distress way not my intention. I did hope you would read the silly page I was making and think about the idea of expanding pages rather than deleting them. My goal was to promote thought, not antagonism.

"what is silly to one may be extremely offensive to others" <-- yes, this is very true! "Respect is important." <-- I have lived most of my life in a culture where it is expected that everyone "show respect" by challenging each person's ideas. I'm sorry if my drive to examine ideas was too aggressive and caused stress. I have learned the need to slow down and be less pushy. Can you forgive me for being aggressively playful to the extent that all you saw was aggression? Maybe you need to wait and see if I do change....I can understand that.

"I am opposed to such parodies being located at major portals." <-- I'm sorry that my approach offended you. I won't do that again. I was trying to deal with a problem I was having and I selected an approach that did not work. I live and learn from my errors...particularly when people talk to me and tell me what is wrong.

If you want people to talk calmly, you're better off using other forms of object lessons (and doing more direct talking to them). <-- Yes, I see this now. Thanks for explaining it to me.

"You may want to reconsider your use of loaded rhetoric in the future, as it is most likely only to offend." <-- I will do so. I hope you understand that my use of "loaded rhetoric" was intended to get people to think.

it is very important that you present your opponent's arguments in as fair and neutral a manner as possible, if you intend to be honest. <-- I got into the habit of expecting others to pitch in and edit so as to correct any problems I was creating. I love to learn by collaborative editing. I spend a large amount of time at another wiki making collaborative fiction. I am in the habit of moving back-and -forth at the boundary between fact and fiction....I find that to be a good way for me to learn.

"you need to be thinking a lot more about how to avoid offending people than you do about ensuring that their contributions* are in line with your vision of Wikiversity." This is where feedback is important. I'm serious about the message at the top of my user page. I need people to give me feedback, particularly when I annoy them.

Thanks for taking the time to explain everything to me. If I again fail to live up to your expectations, please let me know right away. Thanks! --JWSchmidt 16:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

mess vs. being rude to newcomers issue
I have an idea that I have been thinking about....I do not really like the idea, but it might get a conversation going. The idea is that we could have a "Training:" namespace where I could collect and curate "mess and garbage" pages created by new users. Rather than delete a stub page, we would move it to the "Training:" namespace. If the page gets developed, then we could move it back to the main namespace. What do you think? --JWSchmidt 01:09, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

History category
Hi! I have seen that you have done a great job with Category:History. There are some more pages in Category:European history, to re categorize, if you are interested.--Gbaor 07:41, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Naming Conventions conventions
I see you aren't a fan of them either :-). This seems to stem from WV:MOS... but that's never been discussed as official (actually it looks like it was mostly just imported from Wikipedia). Any interest in updating it? --SB_Johnny  talk 10:30, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

 * Honestly I'm not even sure where the nails are, but a coffin sounds good :-). I did find the other page this morning (voted), and I really think much less complicated/restricted policies like b:WB:MOS and b:WB:NP would work better (the "grandfather clause" stuff on the WB naming policy is because early on people used a colon instead of a slash, because subpages weren't enabled in the main namespace in the early days). I actually did most of the writing on b:WB:LMOS a while ago (long story why), and I kind of like the idea of each project just coming up with a style that works for the people participating in it. --SB_Johnny talk 11:48, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Talking with John
Hi Michael, I know that you were, as you say, "beginning to have productive conversation" with John - and I'm very sorry that this block has got in the way of that. However, you can still continue the conversation on his talk page. Personally, I'm finding it very difficult to have a productive conversation with him - see User talk:JWSchmidt - I wonder if you had anything to say to either of us, or any interjections of your own? Cormaggio talk 10:18, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Moulton, your behavior recently has hardly been respectful and mature; I dare say it has been disrespectful; blocking is not the most heinous action one can take on Wikviersity, I'm afraid. I do hope you read my comment about what goes on at "real universities"?  It's not a matter of locking anyone up, see; it's simply a matter of stripping them of their position as professor; they're still welcome to learn like anyone else, or become a professor elsewhere.  No one is forcing them to stay in a closet, or gagging them, or kicking them, or binding them, etc.  Now, they may not like this, and they're welcome to tell other universities how horrible the university who discharged them was.  The Jade Knight (d'viser) 03:35, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

 * Perhaps because language is used by disturbed adolescents? I have seen professors be forced to leave universities, yes.  It's not that terribly uncommon for professors lacking tenure, actually—most universities build entire systems designed to make this very easy to do.  But realize that these are your disturbing and adolescent metaphors; you appear to be the only one here that feels that there's any kicking and throwing into lockers going on.  As to your first question:  I actually see failing to respect others as one of the worst things one can do on Wikiversity.  Failing to accept consensus comes close.  Of course, if someone blocked another user in such away that both a) failed to accept consensus, and b) failed to respect others (per our other discussions), this would be triply bad.  You may want to ask why no one apart from yourself (and him) has yet demanded that JWSchmidt be unblocked (though a great many people, myself included, have expressed dissatisfaction with the block).  Now, Moulton, would you please stop wasting my time with silly questions (such as why you happen to make the linguistic choices you do)?  I, frankly, am not sure why I show you so much courtesy right now, as you seem to have shown little respect to consensus and policy (and, frankly, fairness); there are, I'm sure, at least 3 dozen things I'd much rather be doing at Wikiversity then spend all this time humouring you.  I definitely believe I could appreciate interacting with you constructively on Wikiversity.  However, I would consider it a show of respect on your part if you would respect Wikiversity policy for a few weeks and come back after these community issues have been resolved and things have calmed down more.  Please?  The Jade Knight (d'viser) 15:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

unsigned
Thanks for this this edit. FYI, even better can be use of unsigned. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 05:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

US History
I went through and updated the Department of American History. What do you think of the changes? Also, i will be teaching a survey course of US History. Geo.plrd 06:22, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What browser resolution is giving you problems? I will go and poke in at the History School. Geo.plrd 15:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Probably some quirk, I can't figure out a way to fix it? Geo.plrd 03:06, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

55
Do google rankings really work that way ;-)?

In any case, bear in mind that I volunteered to take the heat, and I'm not deeply offended. I think it's better to take a chance and hope for the best rather than take the "lockdown" approach. Wikiversity itself is an experiment, and while we of course hope for the best, we should also be realistic: experiments often fail. The trick is to not give up on experimenting (or hope) when an experiment fails. Does that make any sense? --SB_Johnny talk 22:07, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

History Departments
I noticed that you made some proposals on mergers. I am considering taking the information at Topic:Philosophy of History and converting it into a course through the department of historiography (Introduction to History). This would kill a dormant department and create a necessary course in one fell swoop. Additionally, I noticed your proposal to convert American History to North American History. I think this is a good idea and will be implementing it shortly. Before I take such radical actions, I want to make sure that you have no objections. Do you? Geo.plrd 20:12, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I will start building a pan-asian department in my userspace. I will also start building the course. I doubt anyone will object to Philosophy of History being canned, but will post there anyway. Geo.plrd 05:27, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The course shall include most of the stuff on the page. I will move the page to a archive of Historiography, if no one objects. Geo.plrd 05:34, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have responded. I am concerned that he will attempt to delete the templae i am using to organize American History. Geo.plrd 06:42, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

History Project Box
What exactly is the history project box? Maybe I can slice out the categories in it? Geo.plrd 15:30, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I will edit the page and adjust in a field? Geo.plrd 04:08, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I just did a real dirty coding job. where category name adjusts to the category name. Geo.plrd 04:18, 17 October 2008 (UTC)
 * works better. Just type in the category name and it is good to go. Geo.plrd 04:22, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

French Mentoring
I added my time zone to my entries on the Mentoring page, but I'm not sure where CST is in relation to UTC, so if you could affix that I'd appreciate it. I hope you'll forgive any mistakes I make with any entries; I am new to Wikiversity and just learning as I go (even improvising in some cases).--KirbyPuckettFan 20:26, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

US History
We have made up our minds! we are revamping the US history book; it doesn't meet its purposes and it is better to severely edit it, than fight against it being in the featured book, with AP US history.

I have always maintained that I am no great writer, So I appreciate any help or advice I could get. Basically after two weeks of intense discussions with everyone; eventually I just needed to 'be bold' and get on with it. Not much will happen over the weekend, but all ready the first many chapters of the book has been quite reorganized, though obviously not rewritten. Topic content has been meticilously defined by the college board, so we'll be lots of 'moving around' of things.

feel free to browse. I'm wondering if I need to archive talk pages that refer to content that will soon be Dramitically different--Jolie 19:22, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

On Cormaggio's talk page
Jade Knight, Here is a friendly reminder that we mentioned some of your comments in Cormaggio's talk page user talk:cormaggio. Have a good day! Hillgentleman | //\\ |Talk 15:41, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Custodianship
Hi Michael, I was wondering if you are interested in helping out as a custodian? Would you mind me nominating you? Cormaggio talk 12:38, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * That was fast! Ok, well, I'll nominate you - see Candidates_for_Custodianship/Jade Knight - and then you need to find a mentor. If you do find one, and accept, the community will have a chance to comment after the probationary period. Cormaggio talk 12:47, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Mops and buckets
Enjoy your probationary period... feel free to ask me any questions you like :-). --SB_Johnny talk 10:20, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

 * It's not a huge onus, but since you're often around during hours when none of the other custodians are, you can do wonders watching the RC feed :-). --SB_Johnny talk 11:51, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Please list yourself as probationary custodian at WV:STAFF. Take a look at Maintenance to familiarize yourself with some of the things that might need doing. You may also want to check out How to be a Wikimedia sysop, although this is optional. --mikeu talk 13:10, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

How to be a Wikimedia sysop
Hi JK, welcome aboard. Feel free to check out and consider joining in with How to be a Wikimedia sysop (optional). Sincerely, James. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 02:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Wiki Campus Radio - Armistice Day material...
Hi,

In connection with an attempt to develop appropriate audio programming, I'd like to bring two items to your attention.
 * s:Wikisource:Scriptorium
 * Wiki_Campus_Radio/Active_audio_stream/11-11

I appreciate the short notice of this, but would appreciate the assistance of contributors on Wikiversity and other projects ShakespeareFan00 16:06, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Language courses
Hey Jade Khnight

I can see on fr.WV that you are looking for people interested in teaching foreign languages. I am too, and I launched a few months ago a discussion on fr.WV about the best way of making efficient courses of foreign languages, in which many ideas were proposed.

The actual courses we have on fr.WV are more like an amount of grammar, and the discussion was about "how to build a way of learning for someone who discovers a language". It were proposed several ways (depending on the preferences of the learner) and an example model was done.

I am currently trying to build one of those teaching methods for the French language on de.WV. Have a look and don't hesitate : contact me if you need me or if you'd like me to help you in your project. Xzapro4 10:27, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Discussion from Cormaggio's RfCU
RfA or RfAR? RfAR case was rejected. Durova's 2+ year old RFC against me never got signers. FT2 even demonstrated he didn't have the facts right about the case. I do not accept the harassment I received. Since it was articles with such harassment were deleted, reasonable people aren't able to see the evidence. Reasonable people do notice I was blocked, but also notice the time of the block didn't allow me to respond to the RfAR. I requested oversight of more harassment -- no response.

Any more case studies you want to bring up here at Wikiversity? Should we now say it is acceptable to bring up case studies here on Wikiversity? The word was that it was unacceptable for now, but I see you play the case study card. Did something change since Moulton was blocked? I rather have Cormaggio answer my questions on his RfCU. I noticed you have added, several times, your comments in my sections instead of where it could be asked on my talk page, on the RfCU talk page, or on the community discussion section. If you are familiar with RfAR, then maybe you'll notice that everybody has there own section to make a statement. I guess that concept is confused here when I don't see any principle order being followed. Is there a reason why you never asked anything on my talk page even when requested? Dzonatas 17:49, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

 * The link you provided doesn't show an arb case that has been accepted, it only show 1 accept vote. It appears you don't understand that a case needs more accept votes in order to be accepted. If it was accepted, there would have been a subpage for it. What it seems you want me to do is take the hurtful things that Durova and Hrafn has said and accept them, and I will not. Do you want to become a person that repeats their example? Dzonatas 15:21, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

 * You stated "This RfA was accepted," when it was not accepted by arbcom. What you have attempted to do is to let Durova, Hrafn, and others to harass me and my family, and you also say that I should just let that happen. You are not only being hurtfully unreasonable with your attempt to bring it here, you have also shown to go against the arbcom vote to reject the case when you tried to say it was "accepted." Dzonatas 17:13, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Support staff directory
Hi JK, this page has got a bit out of date; could you consider adding yourself? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 09:27, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I might have got a bit ahead of myself; I'd forgotten you're probationary. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 09:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

US Presidents
Just wondering about this... doesn't look like a 'pedia article to me. --SB_Johnny talk 11:12, 21 November 2008 (UTC)

 * The guy just started it 2 days ago... relax! The line between a wikibook and a wikiversity resource is very fuzzy... wherever people feel more comfortable working is the key IMHO. --SB_Johnny talk 14:52, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

 * [[Image:Icanbitenewcmrs.jpg|thumb|left|180px|Newcomers? yum!!]][[Image:I IZ SERIUS ADMNIM THIZ IZ SERIUS BIZNIS lolcat.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Don't worry!]]Well, I wouldn't worry about nipping it in the bud... if something eventually looks like a wikibook, it can always be imported later on :-). The important thing is to encourage new contributors by helping them organize their content, and leave concerns about policy and scope out of it until you've seen where they're going. Meeting a new effort with a "challenge" rather than a "how can I help" could easily make someone wonder if it's going to be a bit of a hassle to work here, if you see what I mean. --SB_Johnny talk 10:39, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Hehe :-). Check out commons:Category:Lolcats for more. --SB_Johnny talk 11:08, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

FRENCH
Princeof500 here. Sorry for replying at my own talk page XD. Anyway, I have had a little bit of exposure to french. Mind, I said a little bit, as in VERY little. I want to learn French so that I can read more French books :). There's this one problem of communication... how do you propose we do that?
 * Thanks for replying to my email! I have started to learn french by going to BBC-French Steps. Again, how are we to communicate? Princeof500 13:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Not bad at all. But it is only spoken french, not much use when trying to read a book or something.Princeof500 13:13, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

It does?Princeof500 13:31, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that. Yeah I knew it. But I don't really know formal French(which I am aiming for). You know, this is really awkward, do you have any other form of communication since I and you are free now? Princeof500 13:44, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

I am on the Freenode Java Applet IRC Chat now, you on? Princeof500 13:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

Gotta go now. Probably contact you tomorrow. Princeof500 14:01, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

You free now?Princeof500 14:47, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Mentoring
No pb, but where I live, Skype doesn't work, so the mentoring would be in a written way. If he is OK with that, let's "talk" :-) Xzapro4 15:03, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Malay
Yes i can read it. Here is the article in English:

Abd Aziz bin Harjan is an lectureer on Islam in Universiti Teknologi Mara Perlis(nm). He was on duty(Lt) from the year 1984 at Institut Teknologi MARA(nm) until that ITM was changed to Universiti Teknologi Mara on the year 2000. He has served(Lt) at ITM Dungun Terengganu from year 1984-1989, moved to ITM Shah Alam on the year 1989-1990 and moved to ITM Sabah and served(Lt) there from 1990-1997 and changed to Universiti Teknologi MARA Perlis(nm) on the year 2008 to now that is 2008. He has given teachings(Lt) to students in Islamic Education(Lt), Islamic culture(Lt) and Islamic Law.

I am not sure what it is. Probably a biography.

Princeof500 12:35, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Terms used: nm=name, Lt= Literal translation
 * Note: Sabah, Perlis... are malaysian states.

Edit error ?
Jade, something seems to have gotten messed up with this edit:. I assume that you didn't mean to delete my comments intentionally, but that this is the result of an edit conflict. Crux has now fixed the edits. StuRat 16:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Wikiversity talk:Notices for custodians
Did you notice my reply there? – Mike.lifeguard | @en.wb 06:24, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

History project box and categorisation
Hi JK, thanks for the feedback about adding the history project box template to this course. We can modify what the template does if that would be helpful. I understand you don't want pages in the main category e.g., I removed the categorisation from the psychology template for that reason. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 09:26, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I see there's some history to this at Help talk:Resources by type. I have very similar requests/desires for psychology, so I'll think about this some more and play around with psychology - which looks like it's categorising into Category:Psychology resources which is not ideal, but was done by McCormack to at least get the listings out of the root category and having a subject area category. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 09:35, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I just noticed - is this it? Would it work for the history of Europe page etc.? What do you think? -- Jtneill - Talk - c 07:12, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries (if you don't like them). Sorry, I just assumed from your user page that you found them useful. -- Jtneill - Talk - c 10:59, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hay is for goats :-)
Hey JK. I think I know what John is concerned about, so I'll add another "rephrase" section in a couple hours or so (assuming you're going to be at the keyboard later). I know he can be inscrutable, but his concerns are genuine and deserve a reply (even if his approach is unnecessarily confrontational). Will post when I'm done in the barn. --SB_Johnny talk 23:34, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

 * /me bleats. I'll pop onto IRC shortly if anything's unclear. --SB_Johnny talk 01:17, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

stubs
I scribbled down a few thoughts: User:SB Johnny/On stubs. What do you think? --SB_Johnny talk 10:39, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

French Mentoring
Hello Jade Knight,

I have just received your message about French Mentoring and would be glad to participate. What kind of information do you need in order for me to become a mentor?

Thanks for your invitation, Xionbox 10:12, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Hey Michael,

Thanks for updating me on the new mentor additions. I don't have any specific preferences for a mentor, but I will post a comment on Xionbox's talk page and see if he can help me.

I just started using IRC about a week ago for the first time, and it confuses and annoys me. I lose my chat window when I minimize it, so it is impossible to browse web pages while chatting! I tried to do this and lost the window, had to restart my client and then was connected to the channel under my alias and could not change it nor take back my original ident (which was still displayed as on the channel). I use VisualIRC...perhaps I should try another client.

Anyway, I prefer e-mail or IM to IRC...

Thanks! KirbyPuckettFan 00:46, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I posted on Xionbox's talk page immediately after I made the post above. He has not contacted me as of today.  Strange...perhaps he is busy? KirbyPuckettFan 22:38, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

 * I would be happy to mentor Soroush, as long as he/she understands English OK. KirbyPuckettFan 00:01, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

 * Well, mentoring Soroush didn't work out so well, mainly because we kept missing each other logging on/off the Net and so were never able to pin down a day/time to connect. Perhaps I should get back in touch with him...or has he found a new mentor?  On a side note, Xionbox contacted me shortly after I posted the above note of 8 November; we are now good friends who correspond regularly. KirbyPuckettFan 05:21, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Yes, I could take on another student. KirbyPuckettFan 20:32, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

 * Contacted. KirbyPuckettFan 21:59, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

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The template should only be placed on pages that exist in more than one language, and it should be placed in the same location on each translation of the page.

The English version of a page is always the main version, with all other languages as sub-pages, named using the appropriate language code (see below).

For example, on the Main Page you would include the text, both on Main Page itself, and on each of its language sub-pages. The template automatically creates links to any language sub-pages that exist, e.g. Main Page/ja, Main Page/fr , and ignores non-existant languages.

See:

 * Tutorial
 * Project:Language policy for further details about translating pages.

Supported languages
This shows you the name of each language's sub-page (using Main Page as an example). Other languages may be added easily as necessary. Please use the appropriate prefix, as used on Wikipedia when adding a new language. Please do not add languages for which no pages exist yet, as this will increase the time needed to include the template without adding any benefit (languages are only displayed to the user when the relevant page exists).

The link on the language names goes to the Wikipedia in that language. If no Wikipedia in your language exists, do not add pages in that language to MediaWiki.org! This wiki is not the place for language advocacy - please go through the correct channels, and once your language has a Wikipedia then please return to add content here.

Examples

 * Multilingual Pages
 * Hilbert Book Model Project

Attribution
Adapted from Wikipedia: Template:Languages

title: Template:Translations


text:
User:KTucker/My Sandbox/Multilingual

English

 * Multilingual Pages

title: User:KTucker/My Sandbox/Multilingual


text:
User:KTucker/My Sandbox/Multilingual/fr

Français ...

title: User:KTucker/My Sandbox/Multilingual/fr


text:
User:KTucker/My Sandbox/Multilingual/zh

中文 ...

title: User:KTucker/My Sandbox/Multilingual/zh