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Portal talk:Finance

To dos

 * Investigate whether or not one can migrate materials from sister wiki projects e.g. School:Business, as mentioned in the Business School talk page.
 * Set up sessions as seen in Financial Accounting to break up topics into manageable chucks to aid comprehension.
 * Set up an essential glossary list of many of the important finance terms.
 * Perhaps questions at end of page?

Please note that I am a newbie here, and have no idea about most things in relation to wiki technology. If I messed up any of the etiquette of using the wiki please drop me a line.

DrK 05:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Re Business Finance
In relation to Business Finance seems strictly speaking the section on balance sheet and onward are accounting and not finance. Perhaps I should put those into a session called "How to read an accounting report" which is an essential finance skill.

DrK 05:00, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Re Curriculum
Should there be a sharp distinction in the subject matters between

1. the technical and objective study of how financial system works (as in financial market) and

2. the "art" of investing, portfolio management and risk management?

DrK 00:42, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Electrical Engineering Orientation/Geometry and Data Representation

merge with Mathematics Aptitude Test? --Remi 05:09, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No I requested that page to be deleted, this page stands alone. - Thuvack 15:06, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Question 3
Look closely at point 'o'.--00iCon 00:39, 9 December 2009 (UTC)


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Web testing

Testing web applications is more specific field in software testing. This is differentiated from the testing of client-server application on the following grounds.
 * Web applications have a browser

SQL Injection
SQL injection is a code injection technique that exploits a security vulnerability occurring in the database layer of an application. The vulnerability is present when user input is either incorrectly filtered for string literal escape characters embedded in SQL statements or user input is not strongly typed and thereby unexpectedly executed. It is an instance of a more general class of vulnerabilities that can occur whenever one programming or scripting language is embedded inside another. SQL injection attacks are also known as SQL insertion attacks. In other words, the application is forced to run SQL code that was not intended. If the application is creating SQL strings without consideration, the application manipulated data beyond secrecy and requirement.

Broken Link Checking Tools
This tool helps in finding the broken links in the complex e-commerce websites where there is good possiblity of human error checking the links manually.

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User talk:Suchikp

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User talk:Lindenartfx

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User talk:Oleg99.9

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User talk:Digitallib22

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User talk:Bilo~enwikiversity

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Solar System, technical/Mars

Mars is the fourth planet from the Sun, and it can come closer to Earth than any planet except Venus. A great deal of mythology, science, and technology is associated with it.

Mythology
In Roman mythology, Mars is the name of the god of war. In Hindu mythology, he is considered to bring good will.

Physical features
The soil of Mars is a rusty, tawny red. This is due to the large amounts of oxidized iron present. The Martian volcano Olympus Mons, meaning "Mount Olympus", is the tallest known mountain in the Solar System (standing about three times taller than Earth's Mount Everest.) Other large volcanoes are Ascraeus Mons, Pavonis Mons and Arsia Mons -- all of which lie in a nearly straight line. Mars has two small moons, named Phobos (meaning fear) and Deimos (meaning dread).

Exploration
Scientists are searching extensively to find out if there is life on Mars. The Viking probes, sent in the 1970s, found no conclusive evidence of life. There is a possibility, however, that in the past, Mars was warmer and had liquid water. Most of the current exploration on Mars is geared toward discovering the current presence of water ice and the former presence of water in liquid form. NASA spacecraft have had a notoriously low success rate in reaching Mars, although in recent times, more and more missions have been successful. Several spacecraft are orbiting the planet, including Odyssey, the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter, and the European Space Agency's Mars Express. Current spacecraft on Mars are the Mars Exploration Rovers: Spirit and Opportunity. The next mission to land will be the Mars Science Lab (MSL), slated to launch from Earth in late 2011 and land on the Red Planet in 2012. In addition, Russia is launching a mission to Phobos that will include a Chinese orbiter named Yinghuo-1. This is set to launch around the same time as MSL.

Statistics
Diameter: 6,786 km (4,217 mi.)

Length of day: 24 hours, 39 minutes

Length of year: 687 days

Distance from Sun: 228,000,000 km (142,000,000 mi.)

Moons: Two, Phobos and Deimos

Diameter of Phobos: 27 km (17 mi.)

Diameter of Deimos: 15 km (9 mi.)

X-ray astronomy
At right is an X-ray image of Mars. X-radiation from the Sun excites oxygen atoms in the Martian upper atmosphere, about 120 km above its surface, to emit X-ray fluorescence. A faint X-ray halo that extends out to 7,000 km above the surface of Mars has also been found. The Chandra X-ray Observatory image on the right is the first look at X-rays from Mars.

In X-ray astronomy, Mars is a gas dwarf.

Violet astronomy
"Phoenix touched down on the Red Planet at 4:53 p.m. Pacific Time (7:53 p.m. Eastern Time), May 25, 2008, in an arctic region called Vastitas Borealis, at 68 degrees north latitude, 234 degrees east longitude."

In the image at right "is an approximate-color image taken shortly after landing by the spacecraft's Surface Stereo Imager, inferred from two color filters, a violet, 450-nanometer filter and an infrared, 750-nanometer filter."

The "image shows a polygonal pattern in the ground near NASA's Phoenix Mars Lander, similar in appearance to icy ground in the arctic regions of Earth." Noteworthy is the blue to violet faces of many of the small stones shown.

"As the sun rises over Noctis Labyrinthus (the labyrinth of the night), bright clouds of water ice can be observed in and around the tributary canyons of this high plateau region of Mars. This color composite image, reconstructed through violet, green, and orange filters, vividly shows the distribution of clouds against the rust colored background of this Martian desert."

"Scientists have puzzled why the clouds cling to the canyon areas and, only in certain areas, spill over onto the plateau surface. One possibility is that water which condensed during the previous afternoon in shaded eastern facing slopes of the canyon floor is vaporized as the early morning sun falls on those same slopes. The area covered is about 10,000 square kilometers (4000 square miles), centered at 9 degrees South, 95 degrees West, and the large partial crater at lower right is Oudemans. The picture was taken on Viking Orbiter 1's 40th orbit."

At lower right is a view of the Martian atmosphere and surface taken through the Viking Orbiter violet filter to illustrate the dramatic clarity "of the atmosphere in the region east and northeast of the Argyre basin during winter in the southern hemisphere. [The image is] taken just after the winter solstice when solar heating is minimal."

The second image at the left is a true color image of Mars showing extensive areas of blue to violet surface materials. The data came from the Mars Global Surveyor during a flyby around Mars.

Blue astronomy
"The Mast Camera (Mastcam) on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity showed researchers interesting internal color in this rock called "Sutton_Inlier," which was broken by the rover driving over it. The Mastcam took this image during the 174th Martian day, or sol, of the rover's work on Mars (Jan. 31, 2013). The rock is about 5 inches (12 centimeters) wide at the end closest to the camera. This view is calibrated to estimated "natural" color, or approximately what the colors would look like if we were to view the scene ourselves on Mars. The inside of the rock, which is in the "Yellowknife Bay" area of Gale Crater, is much less red than typical Martian dust and rock surfaces, with a color verging on grayish to bluish."

"[T]he Chemistry and Camera (ChemCam) instrument zapped [the rock known as "Jake Matijevic"] with its laser on Sept. 21, 2012, and Sept. 24, 2012, which were the 45th and 48th sol, or Martian day of operations. ... black and white images were taken by ChemCam to look for the pits produced by the laser. ... [Later] the Alpha Particle X-ray Spectrometer trained its view. ... This image was obtained by Curiosity's Mast Camera on Sept. 21, 2012 PDT (Sept. 22 UTC), or sol 46. [For natural color, processors] white-balanced the color in this view to increase the inherent differences visible within the rock." Other bluish rocks can just be seen. Curiosity removed the Martian dust from "Jake Matijevic" before photographing.

"On Sol 20 of its journey, Mars Exploration Rover Opportunity woke up around 5:30 in the martian afternoon to watch the sunset. A series of five sets of three-color images from the rover's panoramic camera was acquired looking toward the southwest. Each set used an infrared, green and violet filter, rather than the human red-green-blue, so that the maximum panoramic camera wavelength range could be covered by the observations, enhancing the scientific value of the measurements."

"A color image was made [at lower right] from the first post-sunset sequence of calibrated color images, with the color balance set to approximate what the sunset color would have looked like to the human eye. The color seen in this first post-sunset image was then used to colorize each image in the sequence. Approximately one-minute gaps between consecutive color images meant the Sun's position changed within each color set, so the images had to be manually shifted to compensate for this motion. In this fashion, the position and brightness of the Sun are taken from each individual image, but the color is taken from a single set of images. The images were then combined into a movie where one color set fades gracefully into the next. Analysis of the five color sets shows that there were only small color variations during the sunset, so most of the real variations are captured in the movie."

"The rapid dimming of the Sun near the horizon is due to the dust in the sky. There is nearly twice as much dust as there was when the Mars Pathfinder spacecraft, which landed on Mars in 1997, imaged the sunset. This causes the Sun to be many times fainter. The sky above the Sun has the same blue tint observed by Pathfinder and also by Viking, which landed on Mars in 1976. This is because dust in the martian atmosphere scatters blue light forward toward the observer much more efficiently than it scatters red light forward. Therefore, a "halo" of blueish sky color is always observed close to the Sun. We're only seeing half of this halo in the movie, because the other half is below the horizon."

At lower left is a natural color image taken by HIRISE. These layered deposits may have formed through the accumulation of sediment that were transported into this crater by blowing wind or flowing water.

Crater astronomy
"Near the lower left corner of this view [at right] is the three-petal lander platform that NASA's Mars Exploration Rover Spirit drove off in January 2004. The lander is still bright, but with a reddish color, probably due to accumulation of Martian dust."

"The High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment (HiRISE) camera on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter recorded this view on Jan. 29, 2012, providing the first image from orbit to show Spirit's lander platform in color. The view covers an area about 2,000 feet (about 600 meters) wide, dominated by Bonneveille Crater. North is up. A bright spot on the northern edge of Bonneville Crater is a remnant of Spirit's heat shield."

"The shield volcano, Olympus Mons [shown in the second image at right] (Mount Olympus), at 27 km is the second highest known mountain in the Solar System. It is an extinct volcano in the vast upland region Tharsis, which contains several other large volcanoes. Olympus Mons is over three times the height of Mount Everest, which in comparison stands at just over 8.8 km. "

"Rampart craters are a specific type of Martian impact crater which are accompanied by distinctive fluidized ejecta features. A Martian Rampart crater displays an ejecta with a low ridge along its edge. Usually, rampart craters show a lobate outer margin, as if material moved along the surface, rather than flying up and down in a ballistic trajectory. The flows sometimes are diverted around small obstacles, instead of falling on them. The ejecta look as if they move as a mudflow. Some of the shapes of Rampart craters can be duplicated by shooting projectiles into mud. Although rampart craters can be found all over Mars, the smaller ones are only found in the high latitudes where ice is predicted to be close to the surface. It seems that the impact has to be powerful enough to penetrate to the level of the subsurface ice. Since ice is thought to be close to the surface in latitudes far from the equator, it does not take too strong of an impact to reach the ice level. So, based on images from the Viking program in the 1970s, it is generally accepted that rampart craters are evidence of ice or liquid water beneath the surface of Mars. The impact melts or boils the water in the subsurface producing a distinctive pattern of material surrounding the crater."

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User:Aquib

Hi! My name is Aquib, living in a small town of Bahraich, Uttar Pradesh, India in Asia. I am mainly interested in Astronomy, Living Science and technology. If you also have same interest as me and want to share some thoughts or you are living in same locality as me, you can e-mail me on:- maz_onebrh@yahoo.com or  zafar.aquib@gmail.com

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Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Countrymike/Discussion Part 1

 * A question about "power". It's noticable when comparing your custodial request to requests made in the past that your request is based on a desire for power (you want to edit the main page) rather than a desire to serve. On 14th Dec, at about the same time as writing your request, you posted this: "I don't like the quote. Can we leave freedom out of it all for a while?", refering to the US Supreme Court Justice Cardozo quotation from 1937 on freedom of speech ("Freedom of expression is the matrix, the indispensable condition, of nearly every other form of freedom."), i.e. the Friday quote which has appeared on the main page every Friday since User:CQ put it there about 7 months ago (or longer?). In particular, you highlighted the word "freedom" as being problematic. It looks vaguely to me as if this was the issue which prompted your request to be a custodian. In this context, I have the following questions for you (please do not break up my listing, but answer below).
 * Why is a statement made in court 70 years ago by a US Supreme Court Justice on the freedom of speech be problematic to you?
 * Why would someone need custodial power to remove the quote rather than the normal route of dialogue with others? For example, as I was busy editing the page at the time, did you not feel I would fairly deal with your request?
 * Do you think you are/would be entitled to remove this quote from the main page all by yourself?
 * These are questions designed to probe your attitude towards custodianship at Wikiversity. Thank you in advance for your carefully considered responses.
 * McCormack 08:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

 * McCormack - My request is not based on a "desire for power". My main intent as stated above is "to strengthen relationships between the two projects that I am most involved with in my networked life, to continue working on developing learning projects inside Wikiversity, and to act as trusted and informed member of this community, helping newcomers become old-timers and visa-versa". My initial desire to edit the front page was not at all about the quote you refer to but about changing the Featured Project to Bloom Clock, which I spoke of here: Colloquium and which had been discussed at some length on #wikiversity-en. (I also seem to recall bringing this up a lot earlier, but nothing happened then either.) In my view an active front page reflects an active community, and my discovery that the page had not had an edit for nearly a year surprised me. The most obvious place for activity on the former page was Featured content, but which after I explored the possibility of editing the front page I found it to be locked (freedom?...). A greater stimulus for my decision to apply for custodianship was perhaps the recent "Wikiversity is dead. Long live WikiEducator." discussion started by yourself in the Colloquium. It seems to me that both projects could benefit from a person with a solid foot in each camp. I have referred some projects over there to work being done on Wikiversity and have recently requested interwiki links to be allowed from WikiEd to Wikiversity. It's not about power, it's about this community acknowledging their support in me to represent Wikiversity in my goal to bridge and possibly widen the educational use of wikis dedicated to similar projects. Countrymike 22:03, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your reply. The main page comments in your posts ("hadn't been edited in a year") above nevertheless surprise me, as I was in the middle of the recent revamp at the time, and was busy discussing it with others on IRC. I'd also been discussing the locking issue with MikeU on IRC and had already announced an intention to relax things so that ordinary registered users could perform edits. As you were logged on to IRC at the time, you should have been aware of this. I'm sure you are also aware of the main page learning project (still under construction, but well advanced), which is designed to pro-actively involve ordinary registered users in a responsible active editing of the main page. If you've looked at this project, you will know why and how the main page is protected. Your comments about main page inactivity and locking therefore make me uncomfortable to say the least, as they rather forget a lot of my recent work at Wikiversity. To move on to a different topic, you are keen to move the emphasis in your candidacy towards "strengthening links between...". Can you therefore tell us exactly how you would view custodianship as a means to achieve this end? Thank you. McCormack 08:50, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * McCormack - I think if you look here, Talk:Main_Page/Draft_version_0.3 you'll note that I was one of only two people to comment on Draft v.3 - so I was well aware of work being done on the front page, and I also contributed to the current page, here; my comment on Colloqium was in regards to simply changing the Featured content. I apologise if you have taken this as oversight of your work on Wikiversity. I have praised the new front page elsewhere as being a major improvement. Countrymike 18:47, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

 * I am very fortunate in that my work on wikis has taken me to quite a few places globally and enabled me to meet a lot of people working on Open Educational Resources. My involvement in networks that are actively debating, inventing and innovating new ways of teaching and learning online has also allowed me to meet many of these people in my home country as well - most notably amongst participants in Wikiversity, Leigh Blackall and Teemu Leinonen whom I was very fortunate to have met in my home town of Waiheke Island. This coming year I hope to be able to attend a meeting of WikiEducators in Nairobi, Kenya as well as present on educational wiki projects at Wikimania in Alexandria, Egypt. I am not seeking custodianship in order to actively hunt vandals or participate in extended policy development debates or discussions - there are existing custodians of which I have far more faith in to undertake these activities than I do myself, although I will to the best of my abilities participate in both of these activities to a level of which I feel I can contribute. I am seeking custodianship in order to be able to, with the confidence of the community of participants in the Wikiversity project, act as an ambassador for this project oversees and more importantly within the various networks in which I participate, of which WikiEducator is but one. I suspect that this is quite a different understanding of what the custodian role has traditionally entailed but I feel that a diversity of talents and goals in the custodians of this project may be worthwhile. In part it is custodianship as in a person entrusted with the custody or care of something - I care very much about this project, about the ideas of which this project is a part of, and about the future we might be creating. Countrymike 08:23, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your reply, Brent. But this does not answer my question at all. It just restates, at greater length, your position. Let's try the question again: Can you therefore tell us exactly how you would view custodianship as a means to achieve this end? In other words, (1) why is it specifically the additional admin "privileges", such as rollback, deletion and blocking, which you find essential to achieving for ambassadorial aims, and (2) why can you not achieve these ambassadorial aims with your existing status as Wikiversity? WV has some highly respected and influential users who have deliberately chosen not to ask for admin status. Your respect and influence does not turn on whether or not you are a custodian. Why not try to attain a position of respect and influence simply through good, solid contributions? --McCormack 16:39, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

 * McCormack: In re: to (1) - I think that I have already suggested that the 'tools' are not really what I'm proposing 'custodianship' may be solely about, so while access to the tools is one thing that may come in handy at some times, I'm suggesting that we open up this definition to include a wider view of why and on what grounds custodians may be recruited. The Review_board that JWSchmidt has written about could quite easily fit into a broader definition of custodianship than just having access to "the tools". (2) -- many of my solid contributions have actually been outside of Wikiversity and so may not register through a history of edits: i have blogged about the project, forged links between WikiEducator and Wikiversity through pages on each project on each wiki, requested and got interwiki links turned on between WE and WV, arranged for speakers on a Wiki Campus radio project to step in as needed and liased with potential future speakers, assisted people on IRC, contributed to policy debates on IRC, socially bookmarked the project extensively, pointed people on Wikieducator to projects of interest here and here, as well as having started 2 learning projects and edited numerous others. I cannot speak as to why others have not chosen to ask for admin status (originally I was nominated by user CQ but at that time declined the offer). Obviously respect and influence does not turn on whether one is a custodian or not, but it does suggest to outsiders that the user who has gained custodianship has one, made the effort though good works, and two is supported by the community itself. Countrymike 20:50, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for your reply, Brent. And thank you for confirming the point that I have been suspecting all along: namely, that you have no reason at all for being given admin privileges, nor any particular desire or intention to exercise these in the way that a custodian regrettably has to do so. I'm sure we can set up a separate status of "ambassador" that is not a custodian to accommodate your desires. Can we go with a further question, then? Assuming WV creates an Outreach Committee (or similar), without any sysop tool access, would you be content to be appointed to this committee instead of becoming a custodian? Or do you still have some residual reason why the members of this committee should have access to sysop tools of any kind? --McCormack 07:23, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

 * McCormack, I've stated above that I am quite prepared to use "the tools" that you seem so obsessed with/about and I have been learning about how, where and why to use them -- of course I would rollback vandalism, and block continual offenders, i'm not suggesting that this is something that I would carelessly not do. I see that your own candidacy was pretty much based solely on fighting vandalism and I'm sorry that my attempts to flesh out my intended position on custodianship don't seem to meet up with your own expectations of the role you have chosen to fulfill. I am starting to suspect (which I have all along) that your debate with me here is personal, and is actually more related to avenging your experience on WikiEducator than in debating my worthiness. Countrymike 17:30, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Hi Brent. Unfortunately you are not correct. I have been bending over backwards to delve honestly and politely into your true reasons for what you are doing, in the interests of the Wikiversity community. If there is a personal issue between us, perhaps you could explain what it is on my talk page? I'd also like you to perhaps explain why you think I would have something to "avenge" with respect to WikiEducator (on my talk page, please). I've been making every effort here to be civil to you. It is, in my short experience, unusual that someone so disinterested as you in doing basic housekeeping chores should ever even get a mentor. I think your true interests in becoming a custodian must be highlighted, and rather than simply my stating what I think they might be, I think you need to answer questions about your intentions. In this debate you have constantly sidestepped my questions (for example, you avoided revealing your POV on freedom which was behind the Cardozo edit proposal, but I very civilly did not push you on it). Once again, you have failed to answer my question about why admin privileges are key to your ambassadorial aims. I would have been quite prepared to back the creation of a new outreach committee and back your placement on that committee, in the interests of openness and inclusivity which JWS so strongly supports. It's also very plain that in response to this debate between us, you have suddenly started to show an interest in the lowly housekeeping chores (about 17 days after your initial candidacy). To me that looks like someone worried "the game is up". I find your calling me "obsessed" is a mild breach of civility. The admin privileges (tools) are the things which custodians use, and the properly restrained use of these tools and the philosophy with which they are used (or not used) is critical to any good candidacy. If you cannot convince me that you have good motives, then I shall, of course, oppose your candidacy. If you think that it would be a good move at this point to pre-emptively attack my motives instead of answering my questions, and style me as some kind of radical lunatic, it won't work. Now please stick to the issue and answer the question. McCormack 10:37, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

 * I don't know how much more I can write here to "answer this question", so I'm going to leave it at that and let the rest of the community decide. I have found your tone towards me and your constant attempt to rhetorically paint me into a corner to have been the most aggressive I've experienced on Wikiversity and I find it interesting that you should describe this as "a game". You are wrong to characterize me as uninterested in the "lowly housekeeping chores" as you put it - one doesn't get over 2500 edits on a wiki without doing the chores (i have over 2500 edits on WikiEducator). Also, if you have looked at the policy on probationary custodians you would note that a custodian has a month of mentorship before a 5 day period of comments and questions -- my recent interest in the "chores" as you put it has been due to a holiday period for myself where I am pursuing time with family, and other work; I have continued to check in where possible on IRC and I have also been spending quite a bit of time here (more than the 5 days I might add) trying to communicate my position to you, which you still seem to not understand. Countrymike 19:39, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

 * Thank you for your reply. A number of points, Brent:
 * I will always ask insistent and penetrating questions of candidates, and have done so in the past. Erkan gained my "strong support", but got, as the price, some questions which were at least as tough as yours, and which correctly identified the (one and only) weakness in his candidature. A candidate who does not break under my questions, but answers honestly and forthrightly, gets my support and trust. Erkan has that. I am no sycophant, and even JWS has had to suffer a "neutral" vote from me once, despite my trust for him. Even your friend Wayne stood up to my penetrating barrage of questions once (unfortunately it turned out afterwards...etc).
 * The correct answer to the question is: "Yes, you are right, I agree that an ambassador has no business to have admin tools. No, I would not be happy to be just an ambassador, because I really, really want to be a custodian as well. I realise I have given no good reasons yet for being a custodian, so here are my new reasons." That is the honest answer. That answer would have gained you (some) trust. Unfortunately, you gave the wrong answer, which is to personalise the discussion and accuse me of victimizing you. This is the untrustworthy route.
 * If you ignore my questions and "let the community decide", this means you prefer majority over consensus. This is a dangerous route in a small wiki. It is not the wiki way, which tries to maximize the number of people kept on board.
 * 2500 edits on a wiki is a relatively low count for an admin; I have far more than that on my outside projects, but I would never think that qualified me for admin-ship on a wikimedia project. And yes, you can easily reach 2500 edits without doing chores. Outside projects usually generate far less in the way of chores and than a real wikimedia project.
 * Wikiversity doesn't stop needing custodians during the holiday break. You chose to be a candidate at this time - that was your choice. We could, if you wish, lengthen your probationary period to 90 days and allow you more time to answer the questions.
 * I take it this particular thread is now closed, but leave it here for reference. -- McCormack 13:40, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


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User talk:Ramanagowda

Welcome
Hello Ramanagowda, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold, and see you around Wikiversity! --McCormack 13:42, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

BCA COURSE STUDY MATERIALS
Thank you for your very bold first edit on Wikiversity. As you haven't added anything further to the page, and as the title is capitalised and unclear ("BCA"), I think you were just experimenting, so I will delete the page for now. However please don't feel discouraged by this. If you need some help with creating a good first page, then just leave me a message on my talk page. --McCormack 13:45, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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Wikiversity:Candidates for Custodianship/Countrymike/Discussion Part 2

 * To others watching my discussion with Brent, it unfortunately took a rather personal turn on 31st Dec., so I'd like to state here, clearly, for Brent and everyone else to see, where I trying to take the debate with Brent, and show that this is a positive direction.
 * Firstly, the trust issues. I don't want to close the door to the possibility of trusting Brent, but he needs to build trust with ALL of us, not just a chosen few, and he should therefore answer my questions in a forthright, direct manner designed to build trust. Whether or not he can recognize an olive branch, and value its offerer sufficiently to build a bridge, reflects his future capability as a custodian. The extent to which he engages in positive, open dialogue will reflect whether he prefers a consensus-based decision-making process or a cabal-based decision-making process. If he is consensus-minded, he would be a better custodian; cabal-mindedness (he simply doesn't bother to engage with me, because I'm not in his 'in'-group) would be a reason to reject him. Trust also means the issue that Brent is "number 2" on a 2nd website which others have long since accused of being a political front, but which, much more importantly, is the subject of a marketing campaign involving denigration of Wikiversity (User:JWSchmidt/Blog/31_December_2007). There's nothing wrong or untrustworthy about political sites per se; the danger creeps in with the "pretending to be what you aren't" and being associated with a marketing campaign that denigrates Wikiversity. Of course, Brent is not the only person who runs this site. Rather than making assumptions about Brent based on his associations, I'd rather give him a chance to clarify these associations and go more deeply into his current views on the politics of his conflicting interests and how he views his candidature in this context. Perhaps he is a critic of Erik and Wayne? I do not know. He should have the chance, and should be strongly invited, to expand on his relation with them. We need an open declaration from Brent on these issues if he is to build trust. Trust also involves the issue of the extent to which Brent can distance himself from his political leanings with respect to OER - custodians need the ability to drop their own POV, see things from other perspectives, defend the free speech of their opponents, and act accordingly. I'd also like to know from Brent what he meant by saying his intentions were (quote) "mostly good" followed by wink-smiley, apparently in the context of relations with Wikiversity - it sounds like an admission that we (or people outside his in-group) can't fully trust him (ref).
 * Secondly, the role issue: this is the issue over what role is appropriate for Brent, given his stated intentions. My position here is not anti-Brent. It is a pragmatic point that the role we give him should suit his declared intentions (if believable/ethical). Custodians have not previously been ambassadors from other sites, but it is perhaps an interesting idea. I can think of 20 or so important sites in the Open Educational Movement, many of whom are far more significant than WikiEducator, with whom we could exchange ambassadors. Perhaps we should co-opt 20 custodians all in one go from all of these sites, to avoid any suggestion of unfairly favouring Brent's site? Of course, once this suggestion is made, and once we ask ourselves why on earth these ambassadors would need admin privileges here, then it becomes pretty obvious that what we actually need to do is expand Wikiversity's Outreach Programme, perhaps beefing it up into a consultative committee of some kind and making formal appointments to it. If Brent's commitment to Wikiversity is genuine, then he should jump at this offer of a new role - both representing his own site on this committee, and perhaps helping reach out and involve further parties. In bringing in further sites which differ in ideology from his own, he could demonstrate his potential impartiality and neutrality as a Wikiversitarian, and build trust with people like myself. Perhaps after a couple of years in which Brent has proven his ability to rise above his personal beliefs on OER issues and reach out impartially, he could re-apply as a custodian? Yet another side to all this is the testing of Brent's ambassadorial skills and intentions: if he really intends to act as an ambassador, then he needs to show his willingness and ability to forge relations with those here who are most suspicious of him, rather than dodge the issues and hide his cards. A further and interesting idea here is that ambassadors are always exchanged and always hold reciprocal privileges, which would suggest that if he wishes to be an ambassador here, then his site must accept an ambassador in exchange, accord that ambassador identical privileges, and treat that ambassador with equal courtesy (me as ambassador to them?!)(thinking way outside the box).
 * Thirdly, the advocacy (spamming) issue. An ambassador is just a nice way to say "spin doctor", "spammer" or "advocate"; all the words have to do with marketing. Wikimedia projects are constantly the target of forms of vandalism which attempt to attract attention to particular websites or viewpoints. Edit-and-run vandals are easy to fix. The tougher vandals are the ones who infiltrate deeply and non-obviously into the system, manipulating content in the long term, never quite enough to become conspicuous. Many link-spam vandals never actually see themselves as vandals - they may genuinely believe in the usefulness of their edits and the validity of their viewpoints, and they may be not fully aware of policies on neutrality and the ban on advocacy. Perhaps Brent has really not realised that his "ambassadorial" platform can be seen as precisely this. There are issues which need to be explored here such as the difference (if any) between what Brent is proposing and (banned) advocacy. We need to think about an ethics code for custodians. It would be an interesting experiment to propose to Brent that custodians adopt an ethics code in which they ban themselves from ever mentioning any external site with which they are associated - would he prefer to continue with his candidacy? or remain an advocate? Which is more important to him? I would encourage Brent not to perceive this as an attack on him, but as an opportunity to reflect on his intentions, to learn from the wiki-way, and to modify his perception of himself and his goals here so that he can play a more valuable role.
 * As part of this process of dialogue, I had considered perhaps beginning a joint dialogue-style learning project with Brent on "what WikiEducator is", in which he and I debate strongly the issues involved, for the benefit of the Wikiversity community, adhering to civility and truthfulness. I think this would be a constructive process. (Note: since I wrote the draft for this, JWS has also suggested this and started the page). A second project or page which I had thought about would have been an "interview" with the candidate, rather like the interviews with some people over at Wikipedia when they run for or win organisational roles. Brent needs to realise, if he accepts these challenges, that journalists aren't tame - tough questions, and even loaded questions, are the norm. Brent isn't being victimised if I make him sweat - on the contrary, for me to even bother asking somebody tough questions is an offer to them that they can gain my respect.
 * This post is rather long, so I have transcluded it; if and when we vote on Brent's custodianship, I'll replace the transclusion with a link to tidy the page up.
 * --McCormack 14:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


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User talk:Aquib

Welcome
Hello Aquib, and welcome to Wikiversity! If you need help, feel free to visit my talk page, or contact us and ask questions. After you leave a comment on a talk page, remember to sign and date; it helps everyone follow the threads of the discussion. The signature icon in the edit window makes it simple. To get started, you may
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And don't forget to explore Wikiversity with the links to your left. Be bold, and see you around Wikiversity! --JWS 14:08, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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User talk:JWSchmidt/4th Qtr 2007 discussions

Note: this is an archive of old discussions. Please do not edit this page. Continue these discussions at User talk:JWSchmidt. There are other archives at User talk:JWSchmidt/Discussion archive.

Ad hoc medical advice on Wikiversity
You may be interested in a debate on the wikipedia reference desks - W:Wikipedia talk:Reference desk - in which it appears that a user is directing reference desk questioners who have asked for medical opinions, to the Wikiversity help desk, where an ad hoc answer is given. W:Wikipedia talk:Reference desk is also worth a read.

You may wish to consider whether Wikiversity should put in place policy relating to the answering of legal and medical opinion questions, as has Wikipedia. (e.g. # Do not request regulated professional advice. If you want to ask advice that "offline" would only be given by a member of a licensed and regulated profession (medical, legal, veterinary, etc.), do not ask it here. See Wikipedia:Medical disclaimer and/or Wikipedia:Legal disclaimer. Ask a doctor, dentist, veterinarian or lawyer.) --Tagishsimon 23:26, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support at Wikipedia, JWS. I wish everyone there would just relax a bit and be more like people are here. Maybe we need to give Wikipedia a big sedative...oops, that was medical advice ! :-) StuRat 05:25, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * So, if I have this right, you agree with me that listing possible medical conditions that match given symptoms, followed by instructions that they need to see a doctor to establish the exact problem and treatment, doesn't constitute "practicing medicine", and is therefore OK here. I'm a bit worried that using Wikipedia policies directly, without including the Wikiversity interpretation, will result in the ultra-strict Wikipedia interpretation being applied here.  We don't want calls to block users here if they suggest that goose bumps might mean somebody is cold, after all. StuRat 14:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Also, it seemed like an ideal solution to redirect unwanted Wikipedia Ref Desk Qs here, since we would very much like to build up our "customer base" and the Wikiversity Help Desk may be a good place to introduce people to Wikiversity. I think you're right that I can't do this on my own, due to all the ultra-strict Admins there, unless I had your help.  I take it this isn't a battle you wish to take on at this time, however. StuRat 15:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree with what you said on gauging the "audience" and responding appropriately, although I do this a bit differently. Rather than looking at number of edits, I judge them by the language they use.  If they say "I am experiencing pain in the pericardial region" I judge them to be more of an expert than if they say "my chest hurts", for example, and I tailor my answer accordingly.  Perhaps some type of blanket disclaimer could be given first ("answers given here are the opinions of amateurs, and you should always follow up with a professional to get a definitive answer") followed by a list of possible causes.  Would you mind if I add some text explaining that we don't want the strict, broad, inflexible application of Wikipedia rules to apply here ? (Worded a bit nicer, of course.)

 * And yes, I do think if you would support my links to Wikiversity from Wikipedia that would make all the difference. In theory Admins are supposed to listen to the opinions of Editors on Wikipedia, but the reality is that they ignore editors and only listen to the opinions of other Admins.  I once had a complaint on the Administrators Noticeboard and one Admin said something like "100% of the people disagree with you".  I pointed out that several people supported my position and they then said "yes, but those aren't Administrators".  In other words, the opinions of non-Admins count for 0%, no matter how many there are.  On the other hand, if even one Admin supports an Editor, the other Admins almost always back off.  If you would restore this deletion, for example:, I'd bet they would leave it as is, and this would set a huge precedent for allowing links to Wikiversity.  (That deleted link to the Wikiversity Help Desk only points to the radical "medical advice" that cold hands could be a sign of poor circulation, and they should see a doctor.)  StuRat 19:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

 * That looks like a good start (although it seemed a bit redundant). I think we should list some specific categories which are not medical advice, but say "this does not mean that medical info not explicitly listed here is to be automatically construed as medical advice".  Some categories I would list:

 * Dietary advice.

 * Exercise advice.

 * Advising people to seek the advice of a doctor or other professional.

 * Providing links to other sites (either sister sites or outside).

 * Relating stories of similar conditions other people have had, how they treated them, and the outcome (but adding "you have the same condition so should (or shouldn't) do that treatment" is medical advice).

 * Listing possible causes of a condition with the usual treatments for each (this is tricky, because listing one condition and saying "you definitely have X and should do Y" is, indeed, medical advice). StuRat 21:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for your detailed explanation at the Custodian's noticeboard. I think I do understant where you are coming from. I appreciate that your considerations here extend somewhat beyond mine. As a member of a fledgling project, I understand that you see this in the context of how WV should deal with such issues at a policy level. While I understand that is indeed important, as a mere visitor here my motivation is attempting to minimise the disruptive effect this issue has on Wikipedia.

Due to the different nature of the project goals, it is clear what is permitted, even encouraged, here is not always welcomed on Wikipedia. I think it is entirely possible that Wikipedians have, and continue, to game this system to suit their own ends, that are not in the interest of either project. Its interesting that you mention that you chose not to action prior to this because you didn't consider it to cause undue stress. Quite the opposite, actually. This as been a topic of debate among Wikipedians for sometime. The existance of the personal comments here have been viewed by all those involved from day one. Its my view that the entire point of all of this was to goad Clio and those so-called "biased admins", by jumping across here and making the sort of personal comments that caused the problems in the first place, fully in the knowledge that we could see them but have no control over him making them. The consensus among the admins at the time was to let them go, since they were off-WP. However, they continued to agitate the situation, which is why I eventually chose to bring the matter up here.

Getting to the point. Its not your fault of course, that we didn't let you know these were causing us a problem as soon as they were made. That was our decision, but we made it on the basis that such personal slights were clearly not within the remit of WV, and someone here would act independent of us pointing that out to you. The combination of both these positions meant they remained, causing stress. It is my opinion that assuming they were causing no stress, and choosing not to act on them on that basis is perhaps not the best benchmark for action (though I suspect you may disagree and you are more familiar with WV than I). However, if that is the way it works, then obviously we should be informing you of cross-wiki issues much sooner in future.

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck here. Its an exciting project and a worthy one. Perhaps adminship at WP has made me a cynic, but I feel it is a little too idealistic to be successful on a large scale, but I hope i'm wrong. Rockpocket 02:57, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

 * RP, can you explain how "they continued to agitate the situation", even though no comments were made by Lewis in August or September ? It seems to me that, to be an "agitator", one must, at the very least, speak. StuRat 16:20, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

 * JWSchmidt, I am not aware of any other account other than the one you mention.
 * StuRat, If Loomis had taken his leave over the issue then this would not be happening. However, he continues to complain about Clio, by email, and appears to be in email discussions with your colleague A.Z. about efforts to have himself unblocked. Clearly Clio is irked by the comments here, therefore I took the decision to bring this to the attention of the custodians when the cross-project issue about medical advice reared its head. Rockpocket 17:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

 * If someone's e-mails annoy you, why not block e-mails from that address ? And why would Clio only have become annoyed recently at the Wikiversity discussion, after Lewis has been long silent here ?  That part doesn't make any sense to me.  (It's not that she only recently saw the material, she announced long ago that she was watching it.) StuRat 19:53, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikiversity Flyer

 * Woops. I entered the link wrong. It should be here. Thanks. --Remi 04:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

I'll be around later today...
Feel free to run a check on me for practice. The mailinglist is here... might take a few days to fonfirm you though (actually it took about 3 months for me, but it's improved of late). --SB_Johnny | talk 07:35, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay...I got a quick reply to my email to the CU list. re9iaskjwed --JWSchmidt 14:57, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Congrats on C/U status
May your troubles be less, May your blessings be more, And may nothing but happiness Come through your door.

(Portal? Access? Brouser?) Sincerely: Good Luck! Shir-El too 04:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Introduction to Computers/Peripherals
Hi JWS. Does the edit history and edit style of the above page strike you as slightly weird? My guess is that it's a bot which creates multiple users and expands the same wiki page all the time, trying to look like a group of real users. But is it a good bot or a bad one? --McCormack 04:21, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your reply. In the meantime I had realised that Ariel23 was probably the person to ask - I've left him a message. I'd say I am "curious" rather than "concerned". If there's bona fide weird editing, we ought to know about it, so we can better distinguish it from truly weird editing! --McCormack 06:30, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

No Need To Beat Me With A Fish
School:Free Content :) Thunderhead 21:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Color Problems
I discovered that some of the (numerical, not named) colors that I use do not show up correctly on Windowx XP with Explorer 7. The very light colored backgrounds appear as solid black. Therefore, the table on the main Wikiversity page cannot be viewed correctly on some computers. Almost the entire table appears as solid black. Since this is currently protected, how do I change this table? I have created a new table but I am still testing it (namely, I have to go to the Library next week and try their computers to see if the colors show up.) ~ Robert Elliott 07:52, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * [[Image:IE 7.0.6001.16510 on windows Server 2008.jpg|left]]
 * I could reproduce this also on my system (Microsoft® Windows® Server™ 2008 (Code Name "Longhorn") Datacenter, 64 bit, 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1, v.126 Build 6001) with IE 7.0.6001.16510 and Opera 9.21. With firefox 2.0.0.7 and safari 3.0.3 (522.15.5) this did NOT happen. The new table looks good on IE7 and opera. I can unprotect the table and we can test it then for these 4 browsers. Also some other browser testing would be nice. What do you think ? Erkan Yilmaz ( evaluate me!, discussion ) 08:07, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * So, I replaced it with your new table. Looks ok now in all 4 browsers, please inform us about possible side effects. And ... thank you for informing. Erkan Yilmaz ( evaluate me!, discussion ) 08:14, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

 * [[Image:New table with IE 7.0.6001.16510 on windows Server 2008.jpg|left]]
 * Since Robert asked, I also upload the new view. Could be that the view differs and let's find this out now. Erkan Yilmaz ( evaluate me!, discussion ) 08:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Hello, I have some recommendation: click the picture please. Perhaps the arrow which leads to a link could be changed ? In some browsers it is not complete seen and also it is not so good viewable (blue color on blue background). What do you think ? (btw: the color of the links is different, because I clicked the links in firefox - the main browser I use). Erkan Yilmaz ( evaluate me!, discussion ) 08:51, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * How about also aligning the icons ? Making the icons appear in one lign instead of such a disorder :-) Perhaps could be put at the begin of each row or at the end. someone would have to experiment how it looks like. What is your view ? Erkan Yilmaz ( evaluate me!, discussion ) 09:13, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * So, have edited myself - nobody wants to talk with me :-) How does it look like ? If not wished, just revert. Erkan Yilmaz ( evaluate me!, discussion ) 09:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

 Well the following aligning approach for the icons did not look that good :-( Also some icons seem not to fit the link content from a laymen view, and this disturbed me a little since the icons are seen before the reading of the link titles, so I reverted it. Erkan Yilmaz ( evaluate me!, discussion ) 10:23, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I copied this thread to the Colloquium. --JWS 14:18, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

 I, too, have moved to Colloquium. ~ Robert Elliott 15:44, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Nstab-user
I know there was a discussion about the tab names, and that they were changed from what I'm guessing is the default. Apostrophes in a username, for example, don't render properly in the tab; have a look at User:Mike's bot account. I submitted a bugzilla request, but I think Brion wants it to be fixed locally since it's a custom tab. – Mike.lifeguard | talk 20:22, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I only registered an account a day or 2 ago. I really have no idea about the inner workings of the PAGENAME etc. templates, so I doubt I'll be much help. There are a few technical tidbits from Brion on the bugzilla page, and he may be able to help sort it out. – Mike.lifeguard | talk 20:52, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

 * Fixed. I seem to have solved the problem. --dark[[Image:Yin yang.svg|12px]]lama 21:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Import
Would you please import that template from Wikibooks? I need to use it, and I'd rather have the full edit history, since I may need to revert portions of it. Thanks! – Mike.lifeguard | talk 20:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Portal skeleton
Hi JWS,

My previous version was based on Template:Box_portal_skeleton that skeleton

So far I do not know of a neat skeleton for something like this. For now I have just based mine on the free software portal on Wikipedia. It would be great if someone could make a skeleton for it - perhaps Template:Tabbed_Portal_Skeleton. I am not sure how to do that and don't have time right now to figure it out.

Please let me know if you find/make something.

Thanks

Kim

PS I am also grappling with issues like:
 * finding a consistent way to have a snippet in a portal box with a link to 'more ...'.
 * how deep to make hierarchies (I guess no more than 3 levels is a good rule of thumb.

Tabbed Portal Box Template etc.
Thanks for the hints and links to other templates of interest.

Regarding "consistent way of linking to 'more ...' ", what I mean is: if we have many portlet boxes each with a short piece of content and a link to 'more' - there might be a way that a Tabbed Portal Box Template could generate the 'more' links as (e.g.) //more - but there seems to be an inconsistency when the box appears on a higher level page. So, it will take time and thought to get it right.

Cheers for now Ktucker 15:30, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for this. It will be much easier for all of us next time round :-) Ktucker 14:02, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Hello again... and goodbye
In the last few weeks I've become more and more active on WP {same user name}, together with the realization that I don't learn well in this WV environment; I've been too unstructured for most of my life, so the stimulus of a buffet works better for me. But I didn't want to leave without saying goodbye - and thank you - and hope to meet you around the Wiki-universe 'sometime again.' Be Well and God Bless, Shir-El too 02:55, 22 October 2007 (UTC) PS I left a more detailed explanation on Erkan Yilmaz' talk page.

Thanks
For the message on my talk page. I'm not really to interested in becoming a sysop here at the present time - just creating a few courses on stuff I partake in at the commons and en.Wikipedia. I've sort of got a vague idea outline which I'm messing around with on my userpage although I'm not too sure how the courses are set out, etc. Maybe an example course would be good, linked from an intro page so developers know what to create so courses are in a standardized format, and what future students could expect to go through. All big ideas for the future- it's amazing how far this place has come since I was last a user here (User:Bennyboyz3000) - not that I did anything then. BTW, you're metaphor of the evolution of WikiVersity on your userpage is brilliant :-) Pumpmeup 01:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Cheers, thanks for your valuable input. If only there were more nice and constructive people like you on every wiki - the world would be a better place. Cheers, I'll keep it in mind and thanks for pointing out lots of ways for me to get involved and help Pumpmeup 02:25, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I would also like add my thanks for the welcome I received! Lady Aleena 05:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikiversity and Wikibooks
Thanks for your detailed and historically situated comments on Wikiversity and Wikibooks, John. Care to notify the wikiversity-l list about this post? (I'll be happy to point it out myself, though it might be better coming from you...) Cormaggio talk 21:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

 * Just sent your email through now - sorry for delay. As for a "proper threaded discussion system" - have you seen Liquid Threads in action on Wikieducator? It's pretty cool... Cormaggio talk 18:22, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Permission to Proceed
Could I possibly make an attempt at restructuring Oncology and Psychiatry in a similar style as the work I did on Haematology, Cardiology and Vascular Medicine, Respiratory Medicine, Gastroenterology,Endocrinology, Nephrology, Neurology and Obstetrics and Gynecology? DónalMcK 09:18, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Trying to reach you ...
I'm having a really hard time getting in touch with you. Your email is not working, IRC does not send messages to you (not sure why; i did register) and this talk page is constantly time-outing. But I'm still trying. :) I wanted to ask you, if you could help me get through the "propose new language" and "set beta pages" thing on wikiversity. I really want to make it right, but I feel, like I'm doing something wrong. Since I have problems getting to you, maybe you can get to me. On IRC wikiversity-en I'm murban- and my email is matej.urban on the Gmail email. Thanks!

Diploma
Initially, I agreed with you about diplomas. I saw no reason to have them.

However, I am now having second thoughts. This is for two reasons :

In my courses, there is a beginning and an end. A diploma might help create a tiny amount of motivation as the student nears the end of the course. For my lessons, the level of difficulty increases dramatically at the end so any motivation, no matter how small, is good.

Diplomas are much more important overseas. If you have ever tried to get a job in Japan, you know about having to carry your diploma with you at all times like a second passport. Therefore, a diploma for a course (or certificate of completion) could be valuable for people outside the USA. Robert Elliott 13:32, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Ages of Rock
BTW, that article on the ID astronomer was very interesting. Have you seen Rock of Ages, Ages of Rock? --mikeu 16:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Stubs
Hi! Can you please write your opinion about the stub types? If the form of the template is correct. Next week probably I will have some time, so I could play with the stub sorting. Thx! --Gbaor 10:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar Awarded
For tireless thinking, discussion, experimentation, and propagation of best results to all at slightest provocation or stimulation. JW, there was not really a barnstar applicable to an effective founder and tireless custodian who helps set the tone, methods, technologies, and atmosphere for Wikiversity in general in addition to specific interest zones .... and from before the official project proposal or start, but this one seemed closest ....

 * Seconded :-) McCormack 06:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

User:76.247.222.101
Hi JWS. Quick question: you blocked this guy as a multi-wiki vandal a few weeks ago with a 6-month period. He's repeatedly using his talk page for obscenities, and as he can't be blocked from using the IP talk page, I came up with the idea of semi-protecting the talk page, and did this. Wiki-way, or wiki-no-way, in your opinion? After all, it could hardly be a tougher gag on his free speech! McCormack 06:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

 * Thanks for the link! Looks like I was on the wiki-way. McCormack 16:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

"... and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest..."

May you and yours have all the best of this Season's Greetings: a

 * Very Merry Christmas

 * and a

 * Happy New Year.

Shir-El too 01:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)


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Topic talk:Voice over Internet Protocol

Perhaps this should be moved to the main namespace to something like Facts about VOIP and then categorized as a "Fact sheet" or some other applicable category. It does not appear to be appropriate for the Topic namespace. --Remi 16:13, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Merged
This article has been merged into a non-topic page Voice over Internet Protocol in order to correctly label and classify learning resource pages.

title: Topic talk:Voice over Internet Protocol