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Wikiversity:Disclosures

Wikiversity attempts to provide for broad and open-minded thinking, and so its mission is akin to Wikipedia's in the sense that it will strive towards the concept of neutrality, or "NPOV". However, since neutrality is not always (some would argue, ever) possible, or even desirable, we will need to develop a system of disclosure of biases. In particular, when academic freedom leads Wikiversity participants beyond the restrictions of the traditional Wikimedia Foundation Neutral point of view (NPOV) policy, the Wikiversity pages that are exempted from NPOV must be marked as such and include a disclosure of the limitations on perspective and points of view that are being explored. Only Wikiversity participants who have explicitly affirmed their personal commitment to the Wikiversity Scholarly ethics policy are allowed to edit Wikiversity pages outside of the restrictions imposed by NPOV policy.

Biases should be disclosed. The developers of any stream, unit or learning resource should disclose their bias at the head of each learning resource. Some streams and units will encompass multiple biases; they should state all encompassed biases in their Disclosure. Developers of a resource need not disclose all their biases, merely the ones that they present in the coursework. Wikiversity pages that do not explicitly disclose their biases must be edited according to the restrictions imposed by NPOV policy (all significant points of view must be described).

Default disclosures
The disclosures shown in the boxes on the right will be the default disclosures for Wikiversity:

NPOV was selected as it is what people expect from Wikimedia projects.

Progressivism was selected as it is the one promoted on the Learning page and discussed in the Wikiversity project proposal.

See below for more information and interpretations of these concepts.

POV Biases
POV: Point of View

General explanation
Wikiversity has different goals than Wikipedia. Wikiversity main namespace pages are devoted to the goal of supporting online education and the learning goals of Wikiversity participants. The traditional Wikimedia neutral point of view policy might not always be important for some Wikiversity pages - though, it does indicate the "iterative" (and, therefore, wiki-like) process of developing towards a compromise common ground, which could have relevance to a style of learning on Wikiversity. Many Wikiversity main namespace pages will strive to follow the traditional Wikimedia neutral point of view policy.

Wikipedia’s policy on maintaining a “neutral point of view” serves the goal of producing encyclopedia articles that have a limited amount of bias. Some Wikiversity pages are functionally similar to encyclopedia articles in that they should present an unbiased account of a topic. For such Wikiversity pages (for example, a Wikiversity page that describes the benefits and limitations of some learning materials) the Wikipedia policy for keeping a neutral point of view should be applied. Wikiversity pages in the wikiversity namespace should strive for NPOV.

In contrast, other Wikiversity pages might be devoted to the study of a topic from one particular point of view. Such Wikiversity pages need not strive to present to the world a neutral and unbiased presentation of the topic. Sometimes learning is advanced by asking new or unpopular questions that fly in the face of conventional thought. Wikiversity readers should not expect all Wikiversity pages to follow the neutral point of view policy. In order to help Wikiversity users distinguish between NPOV pages and other types of pages, pages that do not follow the traditional Wikimedia NPOV policy should be marked as such. Pages that do not attempt to follow the traditional Wikimedia NPOV policy should clearly indicate what they are trying to accomplish and why that does not involve adherence to the traditional Wikimedia NPOV policy. When members of the Wikiversity community excuse pages from the traditional Wikimedia NPOV policy, those community members take on the responsibility of making sure that they adhere to highest standards of scholarly ethics.

Examples of exceptions from traditional Wikimedia NPOV
example Scholarly study of topics can sometimes be advanced when a scholar adopts a particular point of view with respect to a topic of study. A famous example comes from attempts to understand the cause of acquired immune deficiency syndrome. Starting in 1987, soon after the discovery of HIV, Peter Duesberg systematically questioned the role of HIV as the cause of AIDS. Duesberg adopted a minority view, has published articles describing that point of view and has participated in discussions of the merits of his adopted point of view.

lessons Wikiversity allows scholarly investigations of individual points of view with respect to a topic of study. During the course of such studies, Wikiversity pages can be created and maintained that do not present a balanced (NPOV) discussion of the topic. These pages should contain a prominent section that describes why editors are departing from NPOV. Good scholarly practice is to be aware of and open to other points of view and to engage in scholarly analysis of each point of view. Each and every Wikiversity page need not present an NPOV account of topics that are under study, but each scholar needs to honestly portray the nature of their work within the Wikiversity community. Wikiversity editors can create and edit pages that deal with topics such as AIDS reappraisal, but these pages need to be scholarly analyses of ideas. Such pages can seek to be persuasive because of the merits derived from careful reasoning and intellectual honesty, not from deception or use of irrational arguments.

example Some advocates of Intelligent Design aim to scientifically study creationism or some variant of the idea that there are aspects of the natural world best explained in terms of intelligent design. Intelligent Design is often described by its supporters as a scientific alternative to evolution. However, creationism is considered by most biologists to be religion not science, and the legal status of Intelligent Design as public school educational content has been the topic of legal dispute (see: Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District).

lessons A learning project about Intelligent Design could be included in Topic:Evolutionary Biology and designated as being outside of traditional Wikimedia NPOV policy. This would allow a scholarly scientific exploration of the hypothesis that life on Earth has features best explained by an intelligent design process. Some advocates of Intelligent Design explicitly abandon the scientific method. A learning project that does not use the scientific method should not try to include itself as a topic at a science page such as Topic:Evolutionary Biology. Studies founded on religious convictions should be explored at School:Theology. Further discussion of this example is at Creation science and NPOV.

studying bias itself A project studying e.g. how scientist that happend to come under the political regime of nazi terrorism bent their published views away from what they published before and after that time period, will most naturally have to use, present, and analyse historic scientific resources with zeitgeisty nazi bias. While those documents may, or may not present biases of various kinds, they need to be on the wikiversity web site in part or toto, providing evidence backing the project teachings, or as working materials for learners.

There are many other historical examples of scholarly departures from unbiased study of a topic. (add more...)

Neutral point of view in interactions
The neutral point of view policy is not intended to restrict ideas expressed on Wikiversity to those which are neutral - for example, participants are welcome to express emotions which are representative of their internal state. For example, a participant (a Wikischolar) can express delight in acquiring a new concept.

NPOV addressses primarily that scholarly material written to exemplify competency in a particular topic is neutral. It should come across as a balanced, mature, and moderated.

Case in study
Wikipedia's reference desk is the largest and most popular collaborative page which deals with any topic. It exemplifies how collaborative learning can occur in a "neutral" environment. The ratio of edits to vandalism on that page is the highest on Wikipedia when compared to any other project page.

Current POV Biases

 * NPOV

Other possible biases

 * Left-wing
 * Right-wing
 * Christian conservative
 * Libertarian
 * Atheist
 * Naturalist
 * Socialist
 * Muslim
 * etc

EP Biases
EP: Educational Philosophy

Likewise, different educational philosophies will be selected by those who develop the Learning Materials. These should also be disclosed.

Current EP Biases

 * Essentialism
 * Progressivism
 * Perennialism
 * Existentialism
 * Behaviorism
 * Direct Instruction
 * Inquiry-based_learning

Example Bias Disclosures
It doesn't show here, but the "Disclosures" heading links to this page.

Physics course
Some biases that might apply to a traditional Physics course are floating on the right.

Politics course
Some biases that might apply to a left-wing political course are on the right.

Resources
The following could be useful article(s) about the notion of disclosure:
 * Newman, Judith M. (1987). Learning to teach by uncovering our assumptions. Language Arts, 64 (7), 727-737. Available online at http://www.lupinworks.com/article/learn.html

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Votes

 * TimNelson 06:31, 26 August 2006 (UTC), with the qualification that the reference to scholarly ethics not be operative until that policy has general support.
 * Rayc | (Talk) 17:14, 10 September 2006 (UTC) Until policy is completely writen
 * Mirwin 23:14, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * capi talk 14:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC), polemic learning resources should introduce its subject, then make different sections (not forks, nor templates) to take non-neutral approaches.
 * Opensourcejunkie 12:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC) users need to understand what bias they're learning from. I also agree with TimNelson's comment above
 * --Una Smith 03:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Things that need doing after this policy is approved
The following need to be done after the policy is approved. My thought was that they'd be done as separate pages.
 * List of possible POVs; each one should be summarised on a page on Wikiversity as to what it (eg. Marxist) means for Wikiversity purposes, with links to Wikipedia for further details. Marxist may not be a good category; it might be better off as the two categories "Low social intereference by government" and "High economic interference by government"; I'd suggest that intially we let people label things however they want (or maybe just give a few broad general categories), and let the disagreements develop the policies.  These should probably go in pages like: Wikiversity/POVBias/Christian or whatever

 * Definition of EPs for Wikiversity purposes likewise

Scholarly ethics discussion

 * "Only Wikiversity participants who have explicitly affirmed their personal commitment to the Wikiversity Scholarly ethics policy are allowed to edit Wikiversity pages outside of the restrictions imposed by NPOV policy." This statement should be deleted. Mirwin 23:16, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

 * "This statement should be deleted" <-- why? --JWSchmidt 00:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Because in some fields of human endeaver NPOV is clearly impossible and the Wikiversity Scholarly ethics policy is currently only a draft proposal. Mirwin 12:13, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If Wikiversity is going to move beyond the traditional Wikimedia project NPOV policy, we need to find a way to manage the problems that will arise. Scholarly ethics is a proposal for how Wikiversity can deal with problems that will arise from allowing editing outside of the confines of NPOV. It may only be a "draft proposal", but that does not mean that links to should be deleted. --JWSchmidt 14:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Mirwin that I'd be happier to see that go. I've seen all kinds of things defined as propaganda by different people, and I think the only solution that will work well in this kind of situation is to fork the page so that there are two disagreeing pages with different bias confessions.  I'm assuming that one of the points here is to develop a large contributing community.  For example, say Fred is an Creationist and takes a Perennialist approach to education.  He is presumably going to disagree with Bill who is an Evolutionist and takes a Progressive approach to education.  If all Bill's edits are reverted, he will most likely become disaffected and stop contributing (or vice versa, for Fred).  If each is given a separate page marked with different NPOVs, they can either ignore each other or debate each other, as they choose.  Either way, each spends more time contributing, Bill because he doesn't feel he's wasting his efforts, and Fred because he isn't spending as much time reverting stuff that doesn't belong on an Evolutionist Progressivist page.
 * Anyway, that's how I see the choices; either accept that there are genuine differences of opinion, and allow for it, or refuse to accept it and drive away (or commence battle with) the large portion of the community that will disagree with you.
 * -- TimNelson (Talk) 10:41, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * i cannot say anything without expressing my values in my discourse. i may hide them, but it would be so hard i'd rather say nothing at all - and even if i did mask them, they'd be there anyway. instead, i believe different PoVs should collaborate, and wikimedia software makes room for it. say, if i ever find a pro-fascism resource, i will add information on how fascism made room for genocide. clearly, a pro-fascist would find ways to explain those genocides, but there are many ways we can go on that discussion, creating lots of interesting material rather than a useless flame-war. sections, discussion pages, source documenting, it'd all add up for better in-depth resources, and it is all currently possible within wikimedia software. advocating POV forks is the opposite of advocating diversity - it is segregation of thought, not dialogue.
 * capi talk 14:08, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

 * Wikiversity is not a place for all opinions to be expressed just because people believe in them. Wikiversity, as a Wikimedia Foundation project, is dedicated to making use of wiki technology to promote education and help make knowledge freely available. Wikiversity will have room for multiple and even contradictory ideas, but those ideas need to be explored in a scholarly way. You seem to be suggesting that scholarship need play no role at Wikiversity, yet you offer no alternative method for protecting the project from people who would gladly use this wiki as a platform for spreading propaganda. Insisting that participants learn and apply scholarly standards to their activities does not prevent differences of opinion. "either accept that there are genuine differences of opinion, and allow for it, or refuse to accept it and drive away" <-- this is a false dichotomy. Anyone who wants to express opinions in an undisciplined or dishonest way should be driven away. --JWSchmidt 14:43, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

=Note= Most of the comments below are from the old Confessions and NPOV pages, which were merged here.

=Stuff merged from Confessions page=

How does Confessions work with NPOV?
JWSchmidt asked how Confessions conflicts with NPOV. This should help clear things up:
 * If NPOV applies everywhere, the POV biases section of Confessions will be pointless, because everyone will confess to NPOV.
 * If Confessions applies everywhere, NPOV can apply in the places where people decide to agree on that. So Confessions#POV doesn't eliminate NPOV, just subordinate it.  But NPOV effectively eliminates Confessions#POV

"NPOV effectively eliminates Confessions" <-- that is only true for a wiki that applies the traditional NPOV policy to all pages. However, the proposed Wikiversity NPOV policy is a policy about how to include in Wikiversity both:1) pages that follow the traditional WikiMedia NPOV policyand2) pages that do not follow the traditional WikiMedia NPOV policy.In particular, the Wikiversity pages that do not follow the traditional WikiMedia NPOV policy could use the "confessions" system to help show reders how those pages diverge from a neutral point of view. --JWSchmidt 18:08, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

=Stuff merged in from NPOV page= For anyone who hasn't seen it, there has been a discussion on the place of NPOV in Wikiversity on the foundation-l mailing list, beginning with this post from Anthere (or, well, really the following post from James (Messedrocker)). Cormaggio 15:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Which post are you referring to? That link points to something else I think. --HappyCamper 11:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Try this: TimNelson 05:40, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Eek - I only saw this now! How did I get that so wrong? (Yes, that's the right link from Tim :-)) Cormaggio talk 16:40, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Old Votes
I'm assuming these are now defunct. Please vote again at the top of the page.

 * Mirwin 21:10, 16 August 2006 (UTC) Changed per persuasive presentions. Oops! Again! 8)
 * Messedrocker 05:55, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * digital_metalk 01:08, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * :-) (veering towards pro - see comment below) Cormaggio 08:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Some P. Erson 15:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * --Nick1915 11:33, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * --Dario vet 12:13, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * as this needs extensive revision, see NPOV/MPOV discussion below, and a key point of this policy refers to Scholarly ethics which is not receiving support -- Reswik 01:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * as I like Confessions better, although it also needs a lot of work TimNelson 06:30, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
NPOV has been an excellent restatement of "objective" as the term is used in Journalism for focusing discussion on creation of a balanced concise summary suitable for an encyclopedia article where there can be only one main page for each article title. Limiting all articles in learning processes to NPOV is counterproductive. The real world has many POVs and to study or understand it requires exposure or familiarity with multiple viewpoints and the arguments or reasoning which they provide. Obviously POVs should be identified and intellectually honest as possible. Mirwin 21:16, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you read this version of NPOV? It might be more in line with what you're saying. -- sebmol ? 21:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I read it. Decent first cut but "NPOV" has too much baggage from Wikipedia.  A policy discussion on "Intellectual honesty" or "Propaganda" or "objective" or "reasoned discourse" or "begging the question" would be more useful on Wikiversity.  Disagreement with a percieved POV should invite discussion not mere dismissal or rapid deletion. Wikiversity is not an attempt to quickly manufacture an encyclopedia.  The product is the learning process the reader/editor undergoes thinking about the material and how it could be improved or where it is incorrect in their own view.  Why is their view different from the original author's?  The learning is in the analysis of detailed chains of individual reasoning, not compression to a bland neutral concise presentation.  Yes much of the above is as the current version reads but it is counterproductive to have a different policy or definition of "NPOV" than Wikipedia.  It invites a "Jimmy says" flash gram.  Wikiversity should revolve around or strive for some form of intellectual honesty or scholarly ethics.  These policies should be defined adequately under useful and obvious titles.  Confusing definitions or policies created for Wikipedia should left at Wikipedia.   Less confusion will result from the soon to be arriving Wikipedian masses bored with writing NPOV encyclopedia articles or arguing about minute changes to existing articles if our policies are clearly titled and do not attempt to modify their bedrock codifications such as "NPOV". Mirwin 22:15, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

This needs more discussion! The impression that "NPOV" produces a "compression to a bland neutral concise presentation" of learning material is incorrect, IMO. We can have brilliant prose describing "individual reasoning" that is NPOV in its description of that specifics of that reasoning in how it is placed in the many schools of thought - Majority, minority, fringe, aso. (Need I really remind you of the creationism/evolution mine field?) What we should not allow is propganda and distorted presentations. Some more work is needed to forge this policy into a good policy. Awolf002 00:36, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Regarding propaganda I disagree. Our future wiklars should become experts at analysing and seeing through "propaganda" and "distortions".  Honest true believers should welcome and benefit from the discussions of the "propaganda" or percieved mistakes in their materials.  The dishonest and deceptive will quickly learn to ply their trade elsewhere and dread encountering wiklars  at large prearmed with exposure to their garbage and contradicting facts and analysis. Propaganda was dangerous at Wikipedia to the casual consumer of the data assuming an encyclopedia is reliable.  It will be much harder for the casual consumer at Wikiversity to be harmed particularly since we should make it clear to them they are responsible for critical thinking and cross checking of the data, notes, quizzes, reasoning, etc. etc. Mirwin 05:57, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

I think we can work the concept of NPOV into a workable concept, but we need to think carefully about how to do it. Through the recent discussion on the foundation mailing list, I've come around to the view that NPOV is a term we can invest with our own meaning. What's there now is a good start, but I still think we need to link it better with pedagogy (or, more precisely, pedagogies). Cormaggio 08:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * These links don't link to anything relevant; please fix. TimNelson 07:47, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't understand what's been going wrong with my links to foundation-l. Here are some of my posts to that thread I was referring to:, , , , - I think the latter two were the links I was trying to reference. (Hope these links stay stable now.) Cormaggio talk 16:50, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

MPOV or NPOV? NPOV has problematic assumptions but it is a useful principle for a first approximation of a critical approach to appreciating multiplicity of perspectives. I expect that over time that Wikiversity scholars may evolve NPOV into an MPOV (multiple points of view) principles which calls for the appreciation, based on in depth study, of how it is possible to vary the number of positions, interpretation, balance, level of coverage and summary conclusions offered for different points of view -- such that there are very many mixes of points of view possible that would all seem to satisfy NPOV.

For some wikischolars studying multiples schools of thought, reducing bias might perhaps be not an aim as much as developing ever more depth of appreciation of the biases and presuppositions of varying perspectives and their contrasts -- a richer and richer MPOV, one could say. Differing scholars and schools of scholars would have differing MPOVs. An MPOV policy would be a meta-position beyond NPOV which calls for the comparison and evaluation of differing MPOVs. MPOV would call for increasing depth in critical understanding of and comparison of varying MPOVs rather than decrease in bias ever more closely towards NPOV. I think NPOV as written assumes one root balanced POV is possible in the future as the endpoint of NPOV work of including and balancing various views. MPOV does not assume this -- it assumes that an MPOV is always constructed from an POV and can not escape this, hence there are always MPOVs and MPOVs may expand and not contract in further MPOV work. We do not know which position is correct, an NPOV endpoint or an expanding set of MPOVs. In part, it is an item of metaphysical belief to assume NPOV or MPOV as so described here. A meta position requires contrasting NPOV and this MPOVs. Note that the MPOV perspective may be more relevant to a number of schools of thought in the social sciences and humanities than to the natural sciences. Social theorists are underrepresented perhaps in Wikipedia discussions. I hope that is not the case in Wikiversity. (One could argue that the MPOV idea is present in seed form in one way of interpreting the NPOV concept, but I think it could be elaborated here or somewhere in Wikiversity space.) I've copied these ideas and will edit and extend later on the Multiple points of view page. An afterthought: I think it is reasonable to take a position in between their being one NPOV possible and many MPOVs as probable (between modernity and postmodernity if you will) which is that a small finite set of kinds of MPOVs are possible -- I actually favor this at times -- but it would require multiple writings from multiple MPOVs to construct that theory space - not one multidimensional writing/text/MPOV-NPOV but a finite group of MPOV texts with differing MPOV perspectives. Reswik 01:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I think Reswik makes some excellent points - in my field of psychology there are multiple perspectives on different levels ranging from different scientific paradigms to more detailed different interpretations of the data from a research study. I think it will be impossible to write without having MPOV.  In the counselling field there can be seminars where the same case study is examined from each major perspective - eg what would a behaviourist say about this woman - what would a Jungian look at next?  etc.  and this can be a very good way of deepening a student's understanding.  --Vannin 17:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)vannin

 * I think this is a good suggestion, as well. The Jade Knight 20:46, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Merge into Confessions?
If people like Confessions, it would be possible to merge this NPOV document in as one of the POV options. This would be in line with:
 * Confessions itself
 * MPOV as discussed above
 * The "exceptions" section of NPOV itself

What do people think? If I don't hear any complaints, I'll do it.

TimNelson 07:44, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

A different name

 * "confession"
 * "a confession is a document in which a suspect admits having committed a crime"
 * "disclosing sinfulness before a priest"
 * "disclosure"
 * "revealing what previously was private knowledge"
 * "the speech act of making something evident"--JWSchmidt 10:38, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I had a feeling this was coming. I was using it in the sense "a public declaration of your faith" (Google define:confession).  I happen to like Confessions myself, but I'll change it :).  TimNelson 11:16, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Disclosures is much better, thanks. --SB_Johnny | talk 12:46, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

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Another example
See my userpage. --SB_Johnny | talk 14:58, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

(Moved here from project page by TimNelson 15:28, 29 August 2006 (UTC))

 * OOps... I thought I was posting here :). --SB_Johnny | talk 15:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Disclosures Template
Since much of my writing is from an interpretive bias, I've been fooling around with the Disclosures Template a bit. Mostly my goal was to understand how it works so that I can add a new bias effectively.

Well, I figured it out, but I disapproved of the method of categorizing bias pages. The categorization system consisted of linking to pages with the following format: "Wikiversity:name_of_bias_point_of_view" (ex: Creationist_point_of_view). Because no bias pages had yet been created, I reworked the system to the following format: "Wikiversity:POV/Name of bias" (ex: Wikiversity:POV/Creationist)

I find the use of subpages in this context to be helpful in grouping POV's together. Thus I created a root page at POV to display all of the recognized POV's, and instruct editors how to add them to the template. So, I wanted to run it by everyone else to see if everyone approves/disapproves, etc.  Let me know what you think,
 * --Opensourcejunkie 10:29, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Just noticed that this was a fulfillment of what was spoken of above. --Opensourcejunkie 12:36, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

About Original Research
I recall reading somewhere when I first arrived @ Wikiversity that Wikiversity would be home to original research as well as normal learning projects. I'm curious to know how this policy will affect research into questionable lines of reasoning.

For example, consider the following situation: a philosophy teacher is trying to convince his students that in Plato's works, Socrates was underlyingly presented as the god of love (eros). This (probably) constitutes original research, done by the professor, presented as a line of reasoning to convince someone of his position. The viewpoint is a fringe viewpoint, so we know the author has a unique POV.

Would such a page need to have a statement of bias? It doesn't begin with a bias, rather it uses a line of reasoning to arrive at the bias.

Similar issues could be applied to principles of writing, of hermeneutics, or even the Creation/Evolution debate. Any page that contains a line of reasoning ends at a bias; should such pages be required to assume a bias at the onset? --Opensourcejunkie 12:54, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

 * "It doesn't begin with a bias, rather it uses a line of reasoning to arrive at the bias." --> I think this is an important idea (perhaps already mentioned? Good ideas usually aren't original...!). Opensourcejunkie points out correctly one of the main reasons why people believe that they are right rather than realise that they have a bias - namely, that they think they have logic on their side. There is something very strange about the assumption that contributors will actually be sufficiently aware of their POV to disclose it. --McCormack 12:39, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

 * "Good ideas usually aren't original" --> neither is research ;-)

 * I'm wondering if we might be talking more about disclosing a hypothesis rather than a point of view. For example, the Bloom Clock (which is original research) discloses this on the first page (Bloom_Clock). Socrates as Eros would also be a hypothesis in the example above, but in that case the research part would be either providing a positive or negative proof showing that either Socrates is indeed Eros, or that Socrates could not possibly be anything but Eros (a definiteve proof in either direction is likely impossible, but various inductive arguments might be interesting to read). A parallel resource proving/disproving the opposite could also be pursued as well, etc. --SB_Johnny | talk 17:50, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

 * Yeah, I think I agree with you on that. How would that fit into the disclosures policy? --Opensourcejunkie

 * I experimented a bit with "disclosures of hypothesis" in the (eventually proposed) subpolicy Draft policy on religious content (see section on primary sources). What do you think of it? --Opensourcejunkie 14:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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Welcome from Cormagio
Hi Michael - and welcome to Wikiversity! I think your 3D Algebra learning project is an absolutely valid project for Wikiversity - you might also want to hook up with Robert Horning who's trying to set up a course on algebra.. Cheers! Cormaggio 10:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Hi Michael - personally, I think it's great that you're using an individual approach to teaching your subject. I think we can provide for multiple pedagogies on Wikiversity, so yours is equally valid - and if someone wants to adapt it to a more conventional approach, they can do so. I imagine may different types of material coming from similar sources, if you see what i mean - we can duplicate and adapt material to suit individual learning styles and teaching styles - hopefully have them all searchable with a functioning metadata system.

 * As to being confused about Wikiversity, there is certainly an unknowable element to it as of yet (it's an experiment of sorts), but we should also have some guidelines about how to go about adding content and facilitating learning projects/courses - have you tried About, Approved_Wikiversity_project_proposal, Adding content, and Learning for a start?

 * Definitely, a learning project can be a research project - that's one of the key ingredients of Wikiversity for me. However, our research policies still need to be worked on - that is more or less why we are in a "beta" phase - see Research (though this is still very much in draft form). And as to where you want to move your project, yes, please make it more visible to the wider community and to those who would be interested in learning about Algebra. This could be linked from School:Mathematics - but I very much advise you to keep in touch with the community of people who edit there, including Robert Horning, as I mentioned.
 * Ok, all the best with your work! Cormaggio 08:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Web Design
I'm moving this over, but we're going to leave it unlocked on the wikibooks side. Some might get merged into the css book and others that need a bit of help. SB_Johnny | talk 01:48, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you want the whole thing moved over? It kind of looks like a textbook. The main page is now at Topic:Web Design. Let me know on my talk. SB_Johnny | talk 02:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, will do. I'm going to leave the wb version up for merging, etc., at the request of both the WB admins and the WV admins. I'll probably move it around lunchtime or so, and after I do, I'll leave you a note here so you can look at my contribs for the current locations of the pages, and move/organise them as you see fit. SB_Johnny | talk 13:23, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Here ya go: Special:Prefixindex/Web_Design. Note that the main page is a redirect to Topic:Web Design. SB_Johnny | talk 09:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Actually, they were already renamed on wikibooks, probably by Jguk or hagindaz. --SB_Johnny | talk 11:30, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Since you know some javascript...
I was wondering if you could help me do a modification to monobook for use on wikibooks? See b:User:SBJohnny/sandbox2 for what I'm trying to do... pretty much just want to make book chapters look like book chapters, instead of filenames :). SB_Johnny | talk 12:04, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Thanks! It almost works... I just want to change it so the book title is small, and the chapter title large (it's the other way around right now)... not sure where those 3 variables go :(. Also, If I'm interpreting it correctly, it has an if/then structure? If so, I just realised that is there are no subchapters, then the book title will need to be in large print. How do I do that? SB_Johnny | talk 10:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, the reason for this is because there are grumblings about the current naming convention, in part because of the aesthetic issues involving these slashes (which is why colon convention gets used). I'm hoping that if this can be made to look just as it should, we can solve at least one of wikibooks' long-term disagreements :). --SB_Johnny | talk 10:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Again! Sorry I'm such a pain in the butt, but could you change one more thing for me (I tried to understand it, but couldn't). The subchapter thing just doesn't come out right. Maybe the best thing is to just keep the booktitle as it is (i.e, small and above the chapter name), and just let subchapters appear as they normally would. I fixed my sandbox page to show you what I mean: b:User:SBJohnny/sandbox2. On the up side, this might help convince people not to use subchapters :). --SB_Johnny | talk 12:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh BTW... I like having the between the book name and chapter name... makes more sense visually than just having a blank space. --SB_Johnny | talk 12:38, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment from anonymous
Hi, I've added a recipe example to HTML Programming/Lists. This, or something similiar, might be a better example of using lists than the current poetry example for the first CSS challenge. 88.107.145.28 11:50, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Learning to learn a wiki way
Hi Michael, I wonder if you could help out with the Learning to learn a wiki way project. This project aims to discover effective methods of developing active learning projects. Your experience with Investigating 3D Geometric Algebra and with the Web Design project would be invaluable. I've recently updated the Learning to learn a wiki way project page and kicked of the talk section. I've begun recruiting people by asking them why they are interested in the project and what they want from the project. Could you help out with invitations to your contacts. Mystictim 00:55, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

You up for an interview?
Hi Mike, At last I have found the time and reason to invest more into Wikiversity. I'm hoping you'll be willing to have a recorded conversation with me through GizmoProject.. first topic would be - why communicate through usertalk and not just email ;) --Leighblackall 09:16, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool mike! When are good times? If you get a spare hour, perhaps you'd be intersted in my interview with Cormac Lawler. I wanted to ask you about your perspectives as a teacher user, and your ideas on how to get the most out of wikiversity..--Leighblackall 23:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Will download the chat with Cormac this week and take a listen! And will get back to you about times... just finishing things up at work atm! (Or maybe I could try installing Gizmo there... anyway, I'll let you know!)Michaelnelson 09:00, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

software testing course
Hi Michael, I responded here. CU, --Erkan Yilmaz 15:39, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Did the comments here help you so far? --Erkan Yilmaz 13:20, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi Erkan... I read the comments and briefly checked out the link to the IEEE standard, but haven't had a chance to work on it since then... Website Testing is a small part of our learning, so I can't devote much time to it. My aim is to provide learners with a useful tool that they can use in the real world to test basic websites and extend for more complicated sites. Cheers Michaelnelson 12:05, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello Michael, no worries, when we have some participants in the course, we will do more in that area. Thx again for the chance. --Erkan Yilmaz 15:14, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

New content pages
Hi there, I noticed that you are developing some new content pages. One thing that is definately confusing is a reference to "official document". Is there any reason we can't leave this out, instead simply providing a direct reference to the actual document?

I'm also wondering if it might be possible to expand and incorporate these lessons into other topic areas. It looks like this will be good content, and I'd be happy to assist in getting that done. Historybuff 05:42, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

 * Gday! Hmm... I'm not sure - I'd called them "official documents" because to attain the Cert. IV in Web Design within the Australian Qualifications Framework, you need to satisfy the competencies as they are defined on the "official" National Training and Information Service. Any suggestions as to how this could be communicated without using the word "official"? This is separate from the learning at Topic:Web_Design which we've tried to keep independent of any specific qualification.

 * As for incorporating these lessons - I'm sure it would be ok... great in fact - but I'm not sure which lessons you're referring to? I've been working on the competency descriptions and linking those to the learning content within Topic:Web_Design. But either way, please do! Michaelnelson 08:42, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Covertext for book on web design
I was wondering who you had contacted for this, since you didn't say in the licence info. I'm trying to follow up on unknown licenced media. Thanks. Historybuff 22:44, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

 * Sorry Historybuff, but which media are you referring to? The cover of Create a Website with HTML? If so, it should be removed. I sent a number of emails to the author, but she didn't respond. It was in my early days of wikibooks, and I'd thought that like Amazon's usage, it would be covered by "fair use"... I'm aware now that that's not the case for wikibooks/wikimedia. Michaelnelson 23:23, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Topic: namespace
It seems that when I made change, it probably looked more like a course to me at the time. The "Topic:" namespace is meant for divisions and departments. If the page is intended to be a department we can certainly go ahead and move it back, although, perhaps that intention (of it being a department) could be more strongly indicated in its functionality and copy. Thank you for the heads up, if you or others are more strongly invested in that page than myself, please let me know what course of action would be best. --Remi 00:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Checkuser discussions
Hi Michaelnelson. If you can spare the time, your opinion would be greatly appreciated in the discussion currently going on about getting local Checkuser permissions here on Wikiversity. As an active user here, you're probably familiar with the "quiet, behind the scenes" way that we introduce new Custodians, but requesting Checkuser actually requires a "show of support" for the foundation stewards to give us this tool.

If you're not familiar with Checkuser, it's a tool we can use to find the source IP address (and/or alternate accounts) of vandals and others who mean harm to the project. This allows us to both "stop the problem at the source", or in some cases lets us know we can't stop something at the source if an IP is shared by one or more constructive contributors. --SB_Johnny | talk 11:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Help with a new initiative?
I have proposed an idea for a new way of creating technical learning content: http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Improving_Technical_Topics_At_Wikiversity

Would you be interested in helping with something like this? Once I get a representative from each discipline I have listed, I would like to hold a brainstorming session. Please let me know what you think! Daviddoria 14:02, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Why me?
I'm starting to invite various users I don't know, and doing vandalism patrol, I saw your extensive older contributions. Please consider connecting yourself with the Assembly. Feel free to invite anyone else. Thanks. --Abd 14:47, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

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School:Geology

Welcome to the Geology School!

A school is a large organizational structure which can contain various departments and divisions. The departments and divisions should be listed in the departments and divisions section. The school should not contain any learning resources. The school can contain projects for developing learning resources.

Departments and Divisions
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Historical geology

 * Historical geology
 * The history of geology
 * Historical geological figures
 * Famous geologists
 * Stratigraphy
 * Stratigraphy

Theoretical Geology

 * Theoretical Geology
 * Geological Theories
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Department of Geological Fieldwork

Field Geology

 * Field Geology
 * Geological Field Trips
 * Geological analytical methods
 * Geological analytical methods

Geologic Group Coordination

 * Geological study group administration
 * Geological sample processing and coordination
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Geological Exploration

 * Exploration Geology
 * Marine geology
 * Marine geology

Underwater Geological Studies

 * Underwater geology
 * Hydrogeology
 * Hydrogeology

Geological Cave Studies

 * Speleology
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Rockology

 * eochemistry
 * eochemistry

Mineralogy

 * Mineralogy
 * Minerals
 * Minerals

Sedimentology

 * Sediments
 * Sediments

Gemology

 * Gems
 * Gems

Crystallography

 * Crystals
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Weathering

 * Weathering
 * Weathering

Erosion

 * Hydrology
 * Landslides
 * Landslides

Acidification

 * Acid Rain
 * Acid Rain

Volcanology

 * Volcanoes
 * Fissures
 * Vents
 * Magma
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Industrial Engineering Geology

 * Industrial Engineering geology
 * Geological effects of industry
 * Geology in industrial construction
 * Economic geology
 * Petroleum geology
 * Industrial Geothermal energy
 * Industrial Geothermal energy

Commercial Engineering Geology

 * Commercial Engineering Geology
 * Commercial Engineering Geology

Structural Geology

 * Geomorphology
 * Soil Stability
 * Soil structure
 * Soil structure

Seismology

 * Earthquakes
 * Plate tectonics
 * Primary Waves
 * Secondary Waves
 * Aftershocks
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Glacial History

 * Glaciology
 * Glaciology

Glacial Chronology

 * Ice core analysis
 * Ice core analysis

Glacial Physics

 * Glacial carving
 * Glacial rebound
 * Glacial calving
 * Glacial calving

Glacial Chemistry

 * Glacial chemical analysis
 * Glacial chemical analysis

Geochemistry

 * Isotope geochemistry
 * Biogeochemistry
 * Geochemical Analysis
 * Virtual Geolab
 * Virtual Geolab

Planetary geology

 * Geology of solar terrestrial planets
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Geological Resources

 * Geologic Resources
 * Geologic Maps
 * Geologic Glossary
 * Geologic Time Frames
 * Geologic Units
 * Geologic Units

Geologic Information Systems

 * Geologic information systems
 * Geologic information archival
 * Geologic data formats
 * Geologic data processing
 * Geologic data analysis
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Courses
A learning pathway in geology can be designed into a learning resource or be similar in its composition to that of a university course.

 * Geology/Courses

Careers in Geology
Geologist

Related disciplines

 * Soil science
 * Pedology
 * Geodetics

Related schools

 * Earth science
 * Geophysics

Active participants
The histories of Wikiversity pages indicate who the active participants are. If you are an active participant in this school, you can list your name here (this can help small schools grow and the participants communicate better; for large schools it is not needed). Please remember: if you have an account here people can write you a message also in the future, because IP addresses change !

 * Since 9 November 2013, lately Geognosy 26 June 2022 --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 04:24, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Since 24 June 2022 -- Terrickisaiah555 (discuss • contribs) 03:23, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

School news

 * 26 August 2006 - School founded!
 * 22 March 2013 - the Meteorites lecture has reached a high level of completion [[Image:Emblem-extra-cool.svg|20px]]C.
 * 27 September 2013 - the Rocky objects astronomy lecture has reached a high level of completion [[Image:Emblem-extra-cool.svg|20px]]C.
 * 27 September 2014 - the Astroglaciology lecture has reached a high level of completion [[Image:Emblem-extra-cool.svg|20px]]C.
 * 2 November 2014 - the Glaciology lecture has reached a high level of completion [[Image:Emblem-extra-cool.svg|20px]]C.
 * 18 November 2014 - the Glaciers lecture has reached a high level of completion [[Image:Emblem-extra-cool.svg|20px]]C.
 * 21 January 2016 - the Mineralogy lecture has reached a high level of completion [[Image:Emblem-extra-cool.svg|20px]]C.

Things you can do!

 * Help create new content

External links for learning

 * Animations on various concepts in Geology
 * Historical Geology, a textbook on our Wikibooks sister project.
 * Elements of Geology, The Student's Series, Written by Sir Charles Lyell, Bart., F.R.S., (1871) at Geology.com

كلية علوم جيولوجيا el:Τμήμα:Γεωλογία fr:Faculté:Géologie it:Corso:Geologia Геология

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is a top-level Science Library of Congress Classification and Wikiversity category.

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Portal:Classics

Classics is the study of the ancient world. It encompasses art, politics, history, literature, language and archeology. Classics is also concerned with the later reception of those artifacts - such as the use of Medieval Latin, or modern architecture's ancient roots. The traditional European university was concerned chiefly with Greece and Rome, but this school hopes to represent "classical" culture from across the globe.

Welcome
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Students, please start here!

 * Greek classics
 * English classics

Future resources
We are a young school; the following future resources have been proposed.

 * Classical & Near Eastern Archaeology
 * Oral literature

Written literature

 * European Classics
 * Icelandic Classics - Edda, Skaldic literature
 * Indian Classics
 * Tamil Classics
 * Pāli Classics
 * Marathi Classics
 * East Asian Classics
 * Japanese Classics
 * Middle East and Africa
 * Arabian Classics - Islamic theology, philosophy etc.
 * Ge'ez Classics - Ethiopian theology and philosophy
 * Egyptian Classics
 * Mesopotamian classics Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian.
 * Egyptian Classics
 * Mesopotamian classics Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian.

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Participate
For more information on current works in project and proposed departments please see Participate The histories of Wikiversity pages indicate who the active participants are. If you are an active participant in this school, you can list your name here (this can help small schools grow and the participants communicate better; for large schools it is not needed).
 * Active Participants
 * Marshallsumter since 26 February 2013 --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 00:48, 7 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Inactive Participants
 * JManning 17:47, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sara Anne Miller 14:30, 04 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nannus 23:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Jicannon 04:51, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Laleena 14:53, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * User:Chocoman
 * Enlil Ninlil 05:46, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * James 01:50, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * PoBoy321 03:35, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ninquelosse 16:34, 12 June 2011 (UTC)
 * Wasami007 (discuss • contribs) 14:22, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Things you can do

Learning Resources
For now, any learning resources will be placed here. This will help editors when searching for resources to place within departments.
 * Greek Mythology from Wikibooks!
 * Category:Classical Mythology
 * Category:Classics
 * Introduction to Classical Studies
 * Department of Latin

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Portal talk:Classics

I would greatly appreciate feedback one way or the other, critisisms (constructive ones), suggestions or anything else.

Hey, I'm over in the School of Creative Writing and Literature Studies and I think you've done a great job so far! I think you've included some great stuff. I'm not sure what direction you want to go, but the suggestion I have is to orient what you want people to do. Are you just giving a place for stuff to be read or do you want discussions, etc.? If you want to make it class like, I would suggest more structure (courses with questions are excellent). Keep up the good work and please check out what I've done and let me know what you think! Thanks --Atrivedi 18:46, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Atrivedi - it would be excellent to have some kind of "course outline" for people to follow.

One suggestion for content would be Greek Tragedy - I know that Project Gutenberg has a some texts available.

Abmyers 12:01, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Beginning
Greetings - acting director Basejumper123 has vanished, so I am taking over in his place in a similar capacity. Ninquelosse 17:23, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

 * Hello, to all whom it may concern, i have begun work on the cources for the Wikiversity School of classics. I have listed myself as "acting director" of the school until such a time as a I am granted the position as director by the community or another leader is appointed. I have started with basic cources focusing on the intricacies of the early Greek poets, and I plan to move the school into the suceeding eras of classical literature in due course. Any questions regarding the school or my work within it may be directed to my talk page, which i update regularly Thank You. Basejumper123 19:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

What do you mean by Classics?

 * 1. Languages (Greek, Latin, Chaucer)
 * 2. Stories/ Poetry
 * 3. Artwork (of the ancients)
 * 4. All 3 mentioned, or more than this

Wikisquared 12:51, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

What is Classics?
Points of reference: Sample Classics courses:
 * Classics
 * Western canon
 * Literae Humaniores (Oxford)
 * Adelaide Uni?

My conclusion is, just because it's classical, doesn't mean it's part of the Classics. It's not obvious from the Wikipedia page, but as an owner of Great Books of the Western World, that series (which is supposed to be a complete "Liberal Arts" degree in the 1920s, so basically a Classics degree) is divided up as follows:
 * One volume, "The Great Conversation", as an introduction
 * Two volumes of ideas (the Syntopicon, IIRC) -- this is like the "Classical Ideas" section of the Classics Directory
 * 58 other volumes, divided between (again IIRC):
 * Philosophy and Religion
 * Social Science
 * Science
 * Literature

So there you have your Classics. Now, to narrow it down further, both the sample classics courses listed above (but not the Great Books) limit themselves to the ancient era. Whichever example you're following, though, you probably want to move the Architecture stuff out to a glossary or something -- it doesn't seem to be a big component of the degrees listed above.

Based on looking at the course outlines elsewhere, I'd say what you want is something like the following subjects: Ancient History I & II (just refer people to the History dept. for these) Ancient Languages: Greek and Latin (there doesn't seem to be a languages department, so you'll have to develop these)

I was hoping when I started writing this comment that Classics was going to be a Great Books-style thing, but obviously not.

TimNelson 14:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

European History
Just a head's up: there is now a department of European History in the School of History. This school should cooperate with them for the greater good, and to avoid redundancy of effort. Also, please inform someone in the Department of European History any time a History-related Classics course is offered; it will then be listed on the History page as well as here. Thanks! Jade Knight 20:37, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

New courses
I think this should have the Iliad, Odyssey, and Aeneid. I don't know a lot about these, so I can't teach 'em, but it's a good idea.

I know a fair amount about Chaucer's Cantebury Tales, but I don't know if that's in the public domain.

Is it? Verin Sedai 00:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

 * Yes, at least in the Middle English. Translations may or may not be (depending on when they were published).  You may be more interested in the School of Language and Literature.  If you know a fair deal about Middle English, we could come up with a course on that at Topic:English Language.  The Jade Knight 00:51, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

 * I agree, however these should be created under the relevant departments - Illiad in Greeek, Aeneid under Latin. Cantebury Tales does not really fall under the remit of Classics, which concerns the ancient world - Chaucer is, like Jade Knight says, English. Ninquelosse 17:23, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Re: Latin language texts I just completed my second semester of introductory Latin so I am certainly not an authority on the language. The circumstances of my study, however, may have served to prepare me to contribute to this page. My professor's unpublished "textbook" was little more than a set of handouts and exercises in an OfficeMax binding, and unfortunately it was pure drek. (I truly think the old fellow could not grasp the idea that anyone might not possess a complete understanding of the language as a matter of intuition.) This sent me to the web in a search of alternatives. In the process I collected quite a resource list (and developed an understanding of what goes wrong in Latin language education that dwarfs my understanding of Latin itself.)

More important than resources, however, is that I want to ask the community about the goal of this page:
 * 1) is it to write afresh our own textbook?
 * or, to cobble one together from resources already extant?
 * 1) And finally, what is the ethos regarding integration with sister projects?

This last question, perhaps a Meta-Wiki issue, is particularly relevant since there are already Latin texts and resources within the Wikiverse:

By no means a comprehensive list, I’m sure :

Wikibooks Latin Text - [] "...an elementary Latin course accompanied by a detailed grammar based upon Kennedy's Public School Latin Grammar..." . I don’t think this project has achieved the level of quality and utility found, for example, in the public domain text Latin for Beginners (D’ooge 1909), but it uses an interesting approach. Should Wikiversity link to (and join in) this project?

The page also links to another Wikibook, Spoken Latin  and provides some good information in its:

External links

The Wikipedia Latin page [] - a great overview page. Contains links to Latin textbooks (among its enormous pile of links) _______

I don't know what direction to take. Feedback? --Matthew1958 00:43, 29 May 2010 (UTC)

Eurocentrism
Currently, this section is very eurocentric. It should accomodate space for other cultures, and for that purpose, the name might be changed. I suggest "Ancient cultures". There should be space for ancient cultures from all arround the world (Aboriginal Australian, Sanskrit, Chinese, Ethiopian etc. etc.). Wikiversity is a place for people from every part of the world!Nannus 22:09, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, The School of classics could be moved down a level. It should not be directly under the Humanities portal. 84.143.93.10 06:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I have started including non-european cultures. I have also included oral literature. To single out European classics as something special and give them a special school directly under "Humanities" wihle leaving out all other cultures is no longer up to date. A name change of the school should also be considered.Nannus 23:31, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

 * Even though this isn't part of what the traditional "classics" studies, I love this idea. Wikiversity should be more mature than 19th century European tourists, and sufficiently ancient "classics" of other eras should have a place here :) Ninquelosse 17:23, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Consolation of Schools
May I suggest in the Written Literature - European department, as things are currently limited to Greek, Latin, and Icelandic, to incorporate Icelandic into a greater Germanic heading, covering everything from the East/West/North Germanic traditions--or go further, calling it "North European" to add Slavic and Finno-Ugric material. Perhaps also turn Middle East/Africa to Middle East/North Africa (and add Persian classics). Who knows--maybe a shuffling into "Northern Europe", "Mediterranean/Levant", "India", and "East Asia" -anon 1:03pm 4/20/07

Why Is Marx in the classics?
Come on, people. If it happens after the 1500, it's not classical. -anon 1:03pm 4/20/07

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School:Theology

Truthfulness and rationality in religions are truths that can be substantiated by science or those that cannot be proven to be wrong. Kurt Kawohl

The School of Theology is devoted to study of religion, spirituality, and deities. Participants here at this school may use rational analysis and argument to discuss, interpret, and teach on any of a myriad of religious topics. For that reason, the school works in close participation with the School of Religious Studies.

Religious Studies is an academic field devoted to research into religious beliefs, behaviors, and institutions. It describes, compares, interprets, and explains religion, emphasizing systematic, historically based, and cross-cultural perspectives. While Theology attempts to understand the transcendent or supernatural according to traditional religious accounts, religious studies takes a more scientific and objective approach independent of any particular religious viewpoint.

The School of Theology can be undertaken to help participants understand more truly one's own religious tradition or can be undertaken with the goal of preservation of religious traditions, reform of a particular tradition, or to apply the resources of a particular religious tradition to some present day problem, situation or need.

So, whether you are interested in Bahá'í, Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Urantia, or any other doctrinal foundation, Wikiversity is your soundboard and learning environment to find others who think and believe as you do. If you wish to further your knowledge and practice to encompass a richer base for doing so, please, by all means, feel free.

At Wikiversity, a school is a large organizational structure which can contain various departments and divisions. The departments and divisions should be listed in the departments and divisions section. The school can contain projects for developing learning resources.

The faculties, departments, and divisions are not listed in any particular order or preference.

Faculty of Western Religions

 * Note: These are religions that predominately found in the Western cultures of the world.

 * Division of Islamic Studies
 * The Institute for Islamic Research and Study
 * Department of Qur'anic Studies — includes topics like
 * Division of Jewish Studies
 * Department of Tanakh Studies — includes topics like the Torah and the Nevi'im and the Ketuvim
 * Department of Talmudic Studies — includes topics like the Mishnah and the Gemara
 * Division of Druze Studies

Faculty of Eastern Religions

 * Division of Buddhist Studies
 * Division of Confucian Studies
 * Division of Hindu Studies
 * Division of Jainism Studies
 * Division of Taoist Studies
 * Division of Sikhism Studies
 * Division of Santmat Studies
 * Division of Zoroastrian Studies

Faculty of Historical Religions

 * Note: These are religions that are old.

 * Division of Ancient Egyptian Religion Studies
 * Division of Ancient Greek Religion Studies
 * Division of Ancient Slavic Religion Studies
 * Division of Ancient Celtic Religion Studies
 * Division of Ancient Norse Religion Studies
 * Division of Gnostic Studies

Faculty of New Religions

 * Note: These are religions that have existed less than a thousand years.

 * Division of Ayyavazhi Studies
 * Division of Bahá'í Studies
 * Division of Discordian Studies
 * Division of Meher Baba Studies
 * Division of Scientology Studies
 * Division of Thelemic Studies
 * Division of Theistic Satanism Studies
 * Division of Urantia Studies
 * Division of Wiccan Studies

Faculty of Indigenous Religions

 * Note: These are religions that are old, but dominate only relatively small local cultures and groups.

 * Division of Indigenous African Religion Studies
 * Division of Serer Religion Studies
 * Division of Shinto Studies

Related subjects

 * Division of Peace Studies
 * School of Religious Studies — the study of religion as a product of society
 * Department of Comparative Religion

Learning resources and projects

 * Nonkilling in Islam
 * Nonkilling in Hinduism
 * Nonkilling in Buddhism
 * Nonkilling in Jainism
 * Nonkilling in Voudou
 * Nonkilling in Humanism

Wikimedia Resources

 * The Bible - several complete versions (KJV, ASE, WEB, ...) of the whole text and another under development
 * The Holy Qur'an - central religious text of Islam
 * The Bhagavad Gita - as it is
 * A Course In Miracles - by Helen Schucman
 * Tao Te Ching - key to Taoism (or Daoism)
 * The Urantia Book - the complete public domain text
 * The Book of the Law - The central text of Thelema
 * many more Ancient and Classical texts at Wikisource...
 * Humanities bookshelf
 * Portal:Religion - (what's the difference?)
 * Scottish Journal of Theology

Active participants
Please see participants.

Things you can do!

 * Clean up Draft:Theology and move it to become a subpage of a supporting main page learning project.
 * Clean up Draft:Universals and move it to become a subpage of a supporting main page learning project.
 * Clean up Draft:What is a human? and move it to become a subpage of a supporting main page learning project.
 * Clean up Faculty sub-listings.

School news

 * 17 June 2004 - School founded!
 * 6 March 2017 - Does God exist?, a WikiDebate, announced on Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 4 July 2017 - Does everything happen for a sufficient reason?, a WikiDebate, announced on Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 4 July 2017 - Do humans have free will?, a WikiDebate, announced on Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 15 October 2017 - Seeking True Beliefs announced on Wikiversity Main Page News!

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Category:Pages needing cleanup after Import

This category contains pages that have been imported to Wikiversity from a sister project, but still need cleanup of some type.

Please read: Help with the migration of Wikiversity pages from Wikibooks.

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Science as religion

Welcome to the Science as Religion learning project. This learning project offers learning activities to help us understand the relationship between science and religion.

Concepts to learn include the nature of science and religion.

Summary
This learning project uses a seminar format. Participants explore the published literature on this topic then write and discuss their own essays about the relationship between science and religion.

Learning materials
Wikiversity has adopted the "learning by doing" model for education. Lessons should center on learning activities for Wikiversity participants. Learning materials and learning projects can be used by multiple projects. Cooperate with other departments that use the same learning resource.

 * Darwinism as religion
 * Discussion of "article by Bonnie Alba, "It's amazing to me that parents continue to cede to Darwinism Religion in our public schools while they take their children to church on Sunday."
 * Discussion of "The Causes and Consequences of HIV Evolution", in Nature Reviews: Genetics, Volume 5, pages 52-64, 2004.
 * Einstein's Theory of Gravity as religion
 * Discussion of ""
 * Discussion of Is Science a Religion?
 * God Gene
 * Does God exist?

Activities

 * Create a reading list
 * Start discussions
 * Start essays by participants

Readings
Each activity has a suggested associated background reading selection.
 * - For some, casting evolution as an "ism" — a doctrine or belief — is considered a pejorative term.
 * Review of "The Darwinian Paradigm: Essays on Its History, Philosophy and Religious Implications" by.

Podcasts

 * Evolution 101 by Zachary Moore
 * etc.

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Wikiversity:Help with the migration of Wikiversity pages from Wikibooks

The central page for requesting the import of Wikiversity pages from Wikibooks is Import.

This page explains how members of the Wikiversity community can help speed the process of importing Wikiversity pages from Wikibooks.

Steps required

 * Import pages that were originally developed at Wikibooks into Wikiversity (this step requires sysop tools)

Steps that do not require a custodian
Anyone can do these steps:

Marking pages

 * After importing a page, we must:
 * Mark the original copy of the page still at Wikibooks with  (shorter name, same template:  ) to avoid future changes to the original page at Wikibooks and this also lets custodians know that a page has already been imported.  If the page is moved you can pipe the template to the correct wikiversity page like this.
 * Add all pages that have been imported to Wikiversity from Wikibooks into either Category:Pages needing cleanup after Import or Category:Pages moved from Wikibooks so we can keep track of what pages have been imported. The rest of this page describes what should be done for pages in Category:Pages needing cleanup after Import.

Naming new pages
The import function often fails to give a good name to the newly created copy of a page that was imported from Wikibooks. We need a page name that is correct and useful. "Correct" means that the page has the correct namespace prefix. For example, the correct namespace for school pages is the "School:" namespace and all pages in that namespace have names that start with the "School:" prefix.

A Wikiversity school is a very large organizational unit. The goal is to have relatively few Wikiversity schools that are the "major schools" similar to the list that was developed by the Wikiversity community at Wikibooks. The "Topic:" namespace should be used for smaller organizational units such as departments. See: Namespaces and Naming conventions for infomation on the use of "School:" and "Topic:" namespace pages as special purpose portals in Wikiversity. The "School:" and "Topic:" pages are for organizing the activity of Wikipedians and for guiding browsers to specific topics.

All Wikiversity edicational content (learning resources, lessons, learning projects, learning materials) goes into pages of the main namespace. Pages in the main namespace do not have any prefix.

Other page naming rules: If you create a page in the "School:" namespace, use a page name such as School:Physics. Do not use page names such as School:School of Physics. If you create a page for a specific topic or learning resource, do not use numbers in the page name. Physics 101 <-- bad name. Use a descriptive page name such as: Introduction to Physics with Calculus.

Once a good name is decided upon, use the "move" button to move the already imported page (that has a bad name) to a new page with the desired page name. Note: it is important to use the "move" button and NOT just copy and paste page content. We are trying to keep the authoring history of pages intact as much as possible.

note: in some cases, there will already be a similar page at Wikiversity before the corresponding Wikibooks page is imported. In those cases, the page from Wikibooks can be placed in the "Portal:" namespace or, for pages that are learning resources, given a slightly different name in the main namespace. The two related pages at Wikivrsity should be hyperlinked to eachother.

Correctly format newly imported pages
Wikiversity has suggested formats for how to organize the content for Schools, Departments and learning project pages.See the templates at Category:Page creation templates. After a page has been imported from Wikibooks, you can insert one of the following into the top of the page:
 * (this includes courses, units, etc)
 * (this includes courses, units, etc)
 * (this includes courses, units, etc)
 * (this includes courses, units, etc)
 * (this includes courses, units, etc)
 * (this includes courses, units, etc)

You may need to organize the content of a page that was imported from Wikibooks. For example, for a department page, place links to lessons in the "Learning materials and learning projects" section of the page.

Link repair
If an imported page has links to sub-pages, an effort needs to be made to make sure that the sub-pages are imported, correctly named and correctly linked to other Wikiversity pages.

Sometimes there are additional pages already at Wikiversity that should be linked to a newly imported page. Try using the "search" function to find such pages.

Categorization
Newly imported pages need to be placed in appropriate categories, including "Pages moved from Wikibooks".

Note: please add to School pages that correspond to schools on this list of schools.

Coordination
In order to make sure that all this work is done in an efficient way, talk to custodians who are doing page imports. Use talk pages and IRC discussions: join on #wikiversity-en(on Freenode).

1) Custodians should place links to newly imported pages in the section below. They should put the newly imported pages in Category:Pages needing cleanup after Import.

2) Non-custodians can do the rest of the work following instructions on this page (above) and on the Category page.

3) When all of the work related to a page is done, move the page from Category:Pages needing cleanup after Import to Category:Pages moved from Wikibooks. When done, move the "work order" from the "To Do" section of this page to the "Done" section.

4) If you find a page listed for import at Import but the page has already been imported, please move it to the section for completed imports of that page.

To Do
If you start to work on a task in this list, leave a note below the task to indicate what you are doing and if you want/need help.

Please contact a custodian if this list (below) is empty. Try Notices for custodians and the talk pages of custodians who are doing page imports.

 * School:Fire and Emergency Management was imported from Wikibooks and needs cleanup. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Fire and Emergency Management and its talk page with.
 * Notes:
 * The wikibooks page contains some information that should inported or copied befor changing links in this page Matteo 00:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This school's subpages still need serious cleanup. --Draicone (talk) 02:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

 * School:Project Management was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with Topic:Introduction to Project Management. Also, mark b:Wikiversity:School of Project Management and its talk page with.
 * Notes:

 * Portal:Construction was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with School:Construction. Also, mark Wikiversity-Institute of Construction and its talk page with.
 * Notes:

 * Portal:Sociology was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with School:Sociology. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Sociology and its talk page with  . ✅
 * Notes:

 * School:Journalism was imported from Wikibooks. Please mark Wikiversity-School of Journalism and its talk page with.
 * Notes:

 * School:Economics was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with Topic:Economics. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Economics and its talk page with.
 * Notes:

 * School:Anthropology was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with Category:Social Sciences. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Anthropology and its talk page with.
 * Notes:

 * Portal:Music was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with School:Music. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Music and its talk page with.
 * Notes:
 * Marked. STILL TO DO: This module has subpages that need to be imported. 555 14:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I've gotten all the subpages, let me know on my talk page if I've missed any.-- digital  _  me   18:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Done

 * School:Chemistry
 * School:Theology
 * School:Classics
 * Portal:School of History - note: in some cases, there will already be a similar page at Wikiversity before the corresponding Wikibooks page is imported. In those cases, the page from Wikibooks can be placed in the "Portal:" namespace or, for pages that are learning resources, given a slightly different name in the main namespace. The two related pages at Wikivrsity should be hyperlinked to eachother.
 * [Wikiversity:School of Veterinary Medicine] had no talk page and it needs to be moved (use the "move" button) to School:Veterinary Medicine. Mark Wikiversity-School of Veterinary Medicine with.
 * Notes:
 * I've moved the page and marked the wikibooks page - but I'm not sure what else I need to do (in terms of cleanup). Martinp23 19:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's done - but someone may want to check my first effort :) Martinp23 20:03, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * School:Biology needs cleanup. Also, mark b:Wikiversity:School of Biology and its talk page with.
 * Notes:
 * I've marked the books page as moved. Needs cleanup Martinp23 20:07, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * School template inserted. Still needs link repair and import of subpages from Wikibooks.

 * Portal:Plant Sciences does not need to be moved. Please mark Wikiversity-School of Plant Sciences and its talk page as imported to Wikiversity.
 * Books paged marked. Martinp23 20:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Portal:Art and Design does not need to be moved. Please mark Wikiversity-School of Art and Design and its talk page as imported to Wikiversity.
 * Notes: Wikibooks pages marked as imported --JWSchmidt 22:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * School of Law (and its talk page) needs to be moved to Portal:Law and hyperlinked to the already existing School:Law. Please mark the page Wikiversity-School of Law and its talk page as having been imported to Wikiversity.
 * Notes: Wikibooks pages marked as imported and the pair of pages was moved. --JWSchmidt 22:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * School of Linguistics (and its talk page) needs to be moved to Portal:Linguistics and hyperlinked to the already existing School:Linguistics. Please mark the page Wikiversity-School of Linguistics and its talk page as having been imported to Wikiversity.
 * Notes: Wikibooks pages marked as imported and the pair of pages was moved. --JWSchmidt 22:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * School:Entrepreneurship was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with Category:Program for entrepreneurship. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Entrepreneurship and its talk page with.
 * Notes: --JWSchmidt 15:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

 * School:Practical Human Life was imported from Wikibooks and still needs some cleanup of its subdivisions. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Practical Human Life and its talk page with.
 * Notes: --JWSchmidt 16:15, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

 * Portal:Education was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with School:Education. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Education and its talk page with.
 * Notes: --JWSchmidt 16:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

 * School:Political Science was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with Topic:Political Science. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Political Science and its talk page with.
 * Notes: --JWSchmidt 17:34, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

 * School:Geography was imported from Wikibooks and needs cleanup. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Geography and its talk page with.
 * Notes: Matteo 19:16, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * School:Literature and English Studies Done, and so are all these!
 * School:Foreign Language Learning was imported from Wikibooks and needs to be coordinated with Category:Foreign Language, and merged into Topic:Language Aquisition. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Foreign Language Learning and its talk page with.
 * Wikiversity-School_of_Literature_and_English_Studies/Engl_1101 > Rhetoric and Composition I
 * The following were merged into Web Writing
 * Wikiversity-School_of_Literature_and_English_Studies/Engl_3660 > Introduction to Web Writing
 * Wikiversity-School_of_Literature_and_English_Studies/Engl_4551 > Writing Blogs
 * Wikiversity-School_of_Literature_and_English_Studies/Engl_3800 > Introduction to Creative Writing
 * Wikiversity-School_of_Literature_and_English_Studies/Engl_%3F%3F%3F > T. S. Eliot
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Engl 4660 > 20th Century British Poetry
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Engl 4670 > 20th Century British Novel
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Engl 4770 > 20th Century American Poetry
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Edgar Allan Poe > Edgar Allan Poe
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Epic Poetry > Epic Poetry
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Romantic Poetry > Romantic Poetry
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Victorian Poetry > Victorian Poetry
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Modernist Poetry > Modernist Poetry
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Post-Modernist Poetry > Post-Modernist Poetry
 * Wikiversity-School of Literature and English Studies/Contemporary Poetry > Contemporary Poetry
 * Wikiversity-School_of_Literature_and_English_Studies/Writing_Center/Composition > Composition
 * Wikiversity-School_of_Literature_and_English_Studies/Writing_Center/Rhetoric > Rhetoric
 * We missed a few on the way through -- requesting import :
 * Wikiversity-School of Linguistics/Indo-European languages > Indo-European languages
 * Wikiversity-School of Linguistics/Dravidian languages > Dravidian languages
 * Wikiversity-School_of_Linguistics/Caddoan_languages > Caddoan languages
 * Wikiversity-School of Linguistics/List of endangered languages > List of endangered languages
 * Wikiversity-School of Linguistics/List of extinct languages > List of extinct languages
 * These were imported; the imported pages need to be placed into a good category.

 * School:Architecture needs cleanup has ben cleaned up. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Architecture and its talk page with.
 * Notes:
 * Marked. This module have subpages that need to be imported. 555 14:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. I've imported the subpages. --Draicone (talk) 02:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

 * School:Security, Surveillance and Law Enforcement was imported from Wikibooks and needs cleanup. Also, mark Wikiversity-School Of Security, Surveillance and Law Enforcement and its talk page with.
 * Notes: Matteo 00:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

 * School:Social Work was imported from Wikibooks and needs cleanup. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Social Work and its talk page with.
 * Notes: Matteo 00:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

 * School:Development Science was imported from Wikibooks and needs cleanup. Also, mark Wikiversity-School of Development Science and its talk page with.
 * Notes: Matteo 00:07, 29 September 2006 (UTC)


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Wikiversity:Research collaboration

Wikiversity provides server space for a virtual commons where researchers from all over the world can describe their research and promote education-oriented collaborations. Many researchers, libraries and museums now have online versions of their research labs and online descriptions of research projects. Some of these websites invite participation by students.

One research area supported by Wikiversity is Secondary research. Groups of collaborating editors can use the wiki interface to produce a review article, which is a secondary source but refers to primary sources. The objection to this is that in general people want to own review articles in order to advance their careers and so would not collaborate on anything which had shared ownership and no qudos. However there is the possibility that researchers only interested in primary research might contribute to a collaborative review and also retired researchers might contribute to such an article? A system for collaborative article authoring and peer reviewed publishing in a wiki environment is described at the Wiki Journal.

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User:MartinY

MartinY is Martin Grayson, a semi-retired scientific and educational consultant who is a musical performer on lute, guitar, 'cello, viol and recorder and composer based in South Yorkshire, England.

I have spent over 30 years designing, writing, implementing and running computer systems for chemistry research, admin, finance, investment and education around the interface of chemistry, pharmacology, mathematics and computer science.

My other big interest is music where I am a portfolio musician, doing playing, composing, publishing and teaching.

I am hoping not to waste some of my useful written material and experience from over 30 years of work by contributing to the wikiversity.

Mail to martin.grayson using the  provider gmail.com

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Talk:Fundamentals of computational chemistry

Fundamentals of computational chemistry
There is a computational chemistry book on wikibooks. Could it could better be imported here? (The preceding unsigned comment was added by MartinY (talk • contribs) .)

 * Really? Where is the link to it? --HappyCamper 15:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Computational_chemistry, but it's a wikibook, not a course. --Rayc 17:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Impressive! From my perspective, this is really, really great. What sort of ideas do you have for development over here? --HappyCamper 17:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * I am initially disposing of all my redundant teaching material. I do not teach this stuff any more but if it is going to be used and augmented by other people I could improve it and add more practical problems. Practical problems which can be done in any environment, where people have different computer programs, are possible but need a bit of thought. MartinY 14:37, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Teaching by doing
A fundamental feature of good teaching is that the student should be able to do things. In science that means doing experiments. In computational chemistry it means doing calculations on a computer. I have been writing CGI scripts now for 10 years or more that allow an interface from a web page, via forms, to computational chemistry codes ranging from simple Huckel theory to ab initio calculations using Gaussian or Gamess (I realise that these are not open source, but PSI3 is and it would be easy enough to alter the Gaussian scripts to run that code.). How could we do this on a wiki? It seems we can only put up text and images. Of course adding Jmol to the wiki experience will be one step forward. See this link. Currently we just need to get the Jmol extension to be more secure. For calculations however, we need direct access to a server that can run the code. Any suggestions. It would also be nice to have CGI scripts that allow simple tests and responses via a forms interface and I have some of those. In fact we have a major project that was used to teach an internet Masters degree course in computational chemistry. This course is no longer offered, but I am discussing with my colleagues the possability of moving it on mass to Wikiversity. I would not want to lose the key inovation of that project which is to go beyond just text and add interactive use of computational chemistry codes. --Bduke 00:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

 * My suggestion is work with the other science, computing, information technology and engineering areas to establish a Wikiversity Distributed Virtual Supercomputer.  Such a grid like beast should be developed to support large and small projects on some appropriate job scheduling algorythms.  Much potential research areas of interest to computer scientists, engineers and sociologists or business pychologists in running our own resources efficiently to keep most people somewhat satisfied.  Mirwin 17:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

I am now beginning to make a start on the project as outlined above, using the main page of this talk page as the portal. The basis for all this is the Australian Computational Chemistry via the Internet Project (ACCVIP), which for a few years supported a internet based Master of Science in Computational Chemistry. The ACCVIP team have now agreed to make these material available under an open source license. Initially I plan to add to wikiversity five of the basic six modules that we developed. The first module we used, the "Scope of Computational Chemistry" is badly dated and needs a different approach here in any event. The 5 modules are:

 * 1) Introduction to molecular modeling.
 * 2) Introduction to approximate quantum chemistry.
 * 3) Basic qualitative structure activity relationships.
 * 4) Introduction to ab initio quantum chemistry.
 * 5) Introduction to molecular mechanics and dynamics.

Doing this is going to take much time and there are a number of problems to overcome. HTML text has to be wikified, equations as images have to be put into maths tags, the quiz extension has to be learned and applied, and access to the sandbox server has to be obtained to allow students to run simple codes as they progress through the materials. For many reasons, I have decided to concentrate on the second module, which will deal with the approximate methods such as Hückel theory, extended Hückel theory, and the semiempirical methods available in the MOPAC program.

As this module develops I hope we can develop a learning community for students who wish to learn this material. At the same time I hope that materials from other editors can be added to improve and extend the original materials. --Bduke 05:21, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


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Portal:Genetics

Welcome to the Wikiversity Division of Genetics.

The division of genetics is part of the school of biology.

Subdivisions and departments
Like divisions, subdivisions and departments are pages in the (Topic namespace) and their names start with the "Topic:" prefix. Individual departments can be used by multiple schools. Schools that use (link to) the same department should cooperate to develop the department. Subdivisions are used by large divisions to help organize related departments. Not all divisions have subdivisions. If you need a subdivision in your division, you can use the Template:Subdivision boilerplate to start a subdivision.

Some likely topics are included in the gene project template below. Feel free to add yours.

Departments

 * Cytogenetics
 * Genetic engineering
 * Genomics
 * Microbial genetics

Courses, projects, and resources

 * Gene project
 * Introduction to Genetics
 * Molecular evolution
 * Overview of General Genetics
 * Wikiversity Genomics Database

More courses, projects, and resources are listed in the gene project template below, or in the biology, botany, or zoology resources templates.

Active participants
The histories of Wikiversity pages indicate who the active participants are. If you are an active participant in this division, you can list your name here (this can help small divisions grow and the participants communicate better; for large divisions a list of active participants is not needed).

 * Since 9 May 2014 adding content to Genetics --Marshallsumter (discuss • contribs) 03:46, 10 May 2018 (UTC).

Inactive participants

 * TheVividDream 19:47, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * JWSchmidt 18 January 2007
 *  Remi0o  30 March 2007
 * Remi 31 March 2008
 * A. Friedman 13 October 2008
 *  Emesee  7 November 2008

Division news

 * 6 May 2018 The factor II B recognition element laboratory testing human gene transcription was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 3 May 2018 The resource RNA interference was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 25 March 2018 The HNF6 laboratory testing human gene transcription was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 8 January 2018 ATA box laboratory testing human gene transcription was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 11 November 2017 STAT5 laboratory testing human gene transcription was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 25 October 2017 Metal responsive element laboratory testing human gene transcription was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 30 September 2017 HY box laboratory testing human gene transcription was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 21 September 2017 The CArG box laboratory testing human gene A1BG transcription was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 9 September 2017 Enhancer box laboratory testing human gene A1BG transcription was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 20 August 2017 AGC box laboratory testing human gene alpha-1-B glycoprotein transcription was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 27 June 2016 Epigenetics was announced on the Wikiversity Main Page News!
 * 27 June 2014 Gene project begun!
 * 13 October 2008 Wikiversity Genomics Database (WGD) Created!
 * 26 August 2006 - Division founded!

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User talk:MartinY

Hi there!
I saw your note about computational chemistry. Where is it on Wikibooks? I'd like to check it out too. --HappyCamper 15:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

 * Yes, indeed. I took a look at the materials you added. They look great! You can keep track of the pages that interest you on Wikiversity by clicking on the "watch" tab at the top of your screen. When you click on "my watchlist", the changes that occur on those pages are annotated. I'm busy preparing some notes myself too. --HappyCamper 02:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

Computational Chemistry
Please e-mail me. I have e-mail enabled but it seems you do not. I want to give you a URL that I can not afford to put on an open page at this time.

I see you are from South Yorkshire. I was brought up in Sheffield and my father's family was from Hoyland Common where he also lived his last few years. --Bduke 00:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

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